"Alien vs. Predator" Now in Pre-Production, Filming Set for October
Source: FilmJerk
More than 18 months ago, 20th Century Fox announced that Paul W.S. Anderson (writer/director of the "Resident Evil" film adaptation) had been chosen to spearhead a cinematic match-up between two cult characters in film history with "Alien vs. Predator." It's a battle long-savored by moviegoers and likely to be a tentpole release.
But, since then, all has been quiet with the project— until now. The film, which follows up on the 1999 videogame featuring the same titular clash and the Dark Horse comic book series, has begun moving into high gear, with sources telling FilmJerk.com that principal photography is now scheduled to begin late October in Prague. These sources follow a scooper giving similar details today at Cinescape. But FilmJerk is the only source to get details on the lead characters as well— or as these characters might be better known, potential cannon fodder.
Of course, some have decried Anderson's selection for the project, based on the work he did on "Resident Evil." There are also those who view this as a thinly-veiled attempt to prop up two franchises that dropped significantly at the box office with subsequent entries (particularly "Alien"). Whatever the case may be, this looks to be a smart move by the studio to reinvigorate the two brands (the last installment of "The Predator" came out in 1990 and "Alien" last graced screens in 1997) and coax each franchise back to the forefront.
This new film will not involve any of the human characters from the films' previous efforts, instead using entirely new individuals. As reported by several news sources, the story looks to involve human scientists going on an expedition to Antarctica to lure Predator hunters, using Alien eggs as bait. Of course, these plans quickly goes awry and the humans find themselves in the crossfire between two warring alien species.
Among the characters are:
Alexia "Lex" Homer: In her late 20s, Lex is stunning, buff, courageous, and intelligent, as well as the heroine of this film. She is an environmental researcher hired by Weyland Industries to keep everyone on the expedition "alive," as the head of the company puts it. A tough cookie, with a good sense of humor, she has a history of guts and glory having been the youngest to climb Mount Everest without oxygen tanks. Lex is initially second in command to Max Stafford, but when all hell breaks loose, she must assume full leadership of the remaining crew. She is not only a survivor, but a true warrior as well.
Sebastian Wells: Wells is an American archeologist in his early 30s who is very passionate about his work. Described as "unshaven and rumpled, yet also handsome and charming," Sebastian joins the team and has an instant chemistry with Lex. His expertise, and fervid beliefs often has him butting heads with his boss, whom he feels has his priorities askew.
Verheiden: A tanned, muscular European, Verheiden is an Egyptologist who is just as much "at home with manual labor as with a text book." He also has a romantic history with Lex, which ended rather precariously. This is evident when they are reunited on Weyland's team, and Verheiden notices that Sebastian is his likely rival. The casting agents are looking for someone who speaks with a strong accent.
Charles Weyland: In his early 40s, Weyland is a driven billionaire industrialist with blue eyes and shock of dark black hair, giving him the air of a sportsman or movie star. This zealous, all-knowing patron of science has a secret beneath his virile bravado and cultured manner: He is dying of cancer. He is a man rapidly decaying, with his signature 9-iron golf club really serves as his cane and his cataracts disguised by blue contact lenses. Weyland has no intention of dying without first leaving a legacy for humankind. He finances the expedition, chooses its team members and insists on coming along— no matter what the consequence to his health.
Max Stafford: An "elegant, handsome man of Afro-Caribbean descent," he is well over 6 feet tall and speaks with a clipped, precise English accent. Max is Charles Weyland's right arm - a loyal spokesman and ex-soldier whose job is to assemble and lead the expedition team.
Quinn: He is muscular, arrogant and brutish, a leathery skinned Texan who is in charge of the expedition's drill team. Quinn must face the aliens alone, and ends up narrowly escaping death. According to the character notes, his second confrontation with the enemy doesn't go nearly as well, it seems.
Miller: A dedicated scientist who looks the part. He wears thick glasses, and his age is undeterminable. He's also a bit clumsy and is self-effacing and awkward around women - something Lex notices firsthand. A chemical engineer, Miller is an integral part of the expedition whose astute observations and knowledge of metallurgy help unlock the mystery behind Weyland's discovery.
Except for the part of Lex, casting agents are looking to fill out the above castmembers those who are a citizen of the European Union, and who hold a passport to one of these countries.
Not known at this time is how it affects a rumored fifth film in the "Alien" canon.
Excellent premise......
for a video game
sounds genius. i really can't wait, and i'm not being sarcastic (but you guys should know that by now).
Me too. I can't wait. I've been waiting for this for fuckin' ages.
i read on greg's preview on movies.yahoo.com that the story has changed a little bit.
"Premise: Set in the early 21st century (ie, now), this movie follows a team of drillers, scientists and archaeologists who travel to Antarctica to investigate ancient pyramid ruins buried deep beneath the ice which predate those in Egypt and Mexico, suggesting they were once the home of a great empire that ruled over the Earth first. When they finally reach one of the pyramids, however, they discover human skeletons and fossilized remains of alien creatures that appear to hug faces and burst out of chests (wink wink), along with evidence that such aliens may still be alive somewhere in the ruins. The danger below them is frightening, but what the scientists also don't know is that something as dangerous lurks above them, happy to have had someone open up the Aliens uncovered: Predators. " -Greg Schmitz
The story in an early version of the script was similar to that of the computer game, and went like this:
"...following scientists in the far future on a distant planet who experiment with Alien eggs in an effort to attract Predators to come there as a hunting ground, but that whole storyline has now been scrapped."
Lance Henriksen Aboard Alien vs. Predator
Source: Variety
Veteran actor Lance Henriksen has become the first actor cast in Alien vs. Predator, Fox's upcoming matchup between two cult characters. Henriksen played Bishop in the previous "Alien" films.
Henriksen will portray a billionaire industrialist who finances an expedition to the Antarctic to uncover an ancient pyramid and insists on joining the scientists on the journey. When they arrive, they discover two alien races engaged in the ultimate battle.
Paul W.S. Anderson is helming the film written by Shane Salerno and Anderson. Shooting begins late October in Prague.
but Paul W. S. Anderson? Never been a fan and it's possible he can fuck this movie up. Yeah, people say he's good in the kind of movies he does, but when I saw Resident Evil I got really disappointed.
Alien vs. Predator Story Details!!
Source: Superhero Hype!
A source for Superhero Hype! sent this tidbit about the upcoming Alien vs. Predator film. Be warned there are spoilers!
This past weekend I attended the LA Comic Book Convention. There was a short video presentation on the upcoming Alien vs. Predator, the presentation included a 10-minute short with the director (Paul Anderson) where he were showed storyboards, and tons of production illustrations from the film. The film we were told starts shooting in Prague next week.
Anderson described some of the artwork and hinted at the plot of the film. He told us the film opens 5000 years ago at an Aztec temple... we are told the temples throughout the world were created for the purpose of welcoming "aliens" to earth... and a team of teenaged Predators are at the temple for a "becoming a man" ritual, where if they survive a host of deadly Aliens they will become men, well PREDATORS...
Well everything goes wrong and the three Predators face literally an army of thousands of aliens at the temple and faced with certain death they activate their self-destructs, completely destroying the aliens, the temple and any of the local inhabitants. Guess know we know now what happened to the Aztecs!
Fast forward to the present day as a band of scientists in the Arctic find a very similar temple and are soon caught in the middle of another "ritual" with five young Predators and a bunch of nasty Aliens.
Anderson tells us there is plenty of knock down action, alien & predator deaths to keep everyone happy. He mentioned that he is the biggest Alien & Predator freak in the world, that he's seen them more than anyone and knows everything there is to know about the films. From what we saw (a video montage of clips from all the predator & alien films) this looks to be the best fan favorite team up since Freddy vs. Jason...
Quote from: MacGuffinthis looks to be the best fan favorite team up since Freddy vs. Jason...
has there been another team-up SINCE freddy vs jason 2 months ago?
Quote from: themodernage02Quote from: MacGuffinthis looks to be the best fan favorite team up since Freddy vs. Jason...
has there been another team-up SINCE freddy vs jason 2 months ago?
How could you forget the Hackman/Hoffman team up in "Runaway Jury"?
nice av themodernage
Alien vs. Predator: This past weekend's "Ghetto Con", better known as the Los Angeles Comic Book and Science Fiction Convention, ran a 5-minute pre-production presentation on Fox's upcoming flick and 'Agent G' has the details: "They mentioned that 'not a frame of film has been shot yet', but shooting starts next week in Prague. They also mentioned that this tape played at their con last month, so it's possible that you know about this presentation already, but I hadn't heard much about it so far, so I figured no one would mind if I provided a quick recap of what was shown. The whole piece was narrated by director Paul WS Anderson ("Resident Evil").
As far as the story, we are told that in the past, the Predators used the the Aliens for hunting purposes, as a right of passage for the young Predator to become men (er, for lack of a better term). We see one such battle play out in an Aztec temple. Supposedly, the Predators were seen as Gods to the Aztec people (some shades of 'Stargate', it would seem), who built them their temples for worshipping and battle purposes. They showed some storyboards of one Predator defeating an Alien, holding its severed head in victory, as well as some boards where three Predator are overrun by thousands of Aliens, and upon realizing that they have clearly lost the battle, they activate their self-destruct. This is why so many ancient civilizations have been wiped out; Predator hunting failures.
Flash forward to present day, where a group of scientists have found one of the ancient Predator temples under an Antarctic icecap. The story revolves around 5 "teenage" Predators who are set to undergo their right of passage with the Aliens at this newly discovered temple, with the humans caught in the middle. There was also some brief discussion about the Predators testing out their new weapons technology. The video showed one example, a modified shuriken throwing star (apparently this weapon is 'in' again after 'Underworld'), which starts as a small handle with a trigger and expands into 6 elongated razor blades. This was actually pretty cool looking. Anyways, that pretty much rounded out the presentation. They quickly flashed some shots edited together from the two respective franchises, and rounded it out with a tagline (which may or may not be the final one), "Whoever wins...we lose." All in all, hard to tell too much about the final product from the small amount shown".
The first artwork for the long awaited sci-fi teamup has finally hit online and here's an exclusive first look at both the logo and what looks to be hint of some sort of one-sheet art. In related news, it looks like Ewen Bremner has joined the cast whilst the budget is currently slated for a relatively low cost $60 million.
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I pray this doesnt get fucked up, please dont fuck this up Anderson.
the image of the alien and predator is apparently an add for a video game and has nothing to do with the film it was found out later today.
see here. http://www.eagames.com/official/avp_extinction/wallpapers.jsp
Sanaa Lathan vs. Alien vs. Predator
Source: Variety
Sanaa Lathan (Out of Time) will star as the lead in 20th Century Fox's Alien vs. Predator. Shooting begins October 28 in Prague, and Fox will release the film in August. Paul W.S. Anderson is directing from a script he wrote with Shane Salerno.
Lathan will play explorer-adventuress Lex Kline, who leads an expedition to Antarctica to uncover warring alien races. The Kline character is said to be reminiscent of the Ellen Ripley role Sigourney Weaver played in the "Alien" series.
Lathan stars in the film alongside Italian actor Raoul Bova (Under the Tuscan Sun), who plays an archaeologist, and Lance Henriksen, as the industrialist who finances the expedition. British actor Ewen Bremner also stars.
Teaser trailer here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/)
Featurette here (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette/) on "AvP" where Paul Anderson explains how these two creatures will meet.
Teaser Posters:
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Script review here. (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16395) It sounds, to put it succinctly, fucking awful.
That teaser trailer sucks too. The least they could do is show one of the monsters in their entirety.
Quote from: GhostboyIt sounds, to put it succinctly, fucking awful.
Watch that featurette, it sounds even worse.
Quote from: MacGuffinPaul Anderson
I don't understand how he could follow PDL up with this...what a shame.
sounds decent. im looking forward to it
i think it will be good
that Teaser sucked. To not show Alien/Predator in the same frame, I don't understand.
the logo looks like a car emblem from the 1980s, but I like it.
please dont fuck this up with CGI and wirefighting, its too cool of a concept.
jesus, who actually thinks PA is the man for this?
i give kudos to fox for giving such a detailed website for a film that is in preproduction
new trailer, dont know if this has been posted yet
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_trailer/large.html
Eh, I'm not holding my breath.
its a shame that the previews suck b/c this could be and has the potential to kick ass.....but the only thing that doesn't make since is all the predator has to do is turn inivsible and shoot them thangs(that killed Jesse the Body Ventura in predator one) at the alien and the film is over....
Quote from: NEON MERCURYits a shame that the previews suck b/c this could be and has the potential to kick ass...
With Paul W.S. Anderson at the helm, I see no potential in this what so ever. His suck-ness by far out nesses the brilliantness of Alien and Aliens.
IGN FilmForce Exclusive: Interview with AVP Director Paul Anderson
Check out our chat with the man in charge direct from the editing room!
Alien vs. Predator is officially in crunch mode. Principal photography has ended, the boxes of latex and glue have long left Prague, and the U.S. release date of August 6, 2004 looms large in everyone's mind. AVP Director Paul Anderson is cracking his knuckles, breaking out the caffeine, and beginning to flog his post-production team as they endeavor to bring two of the most beloved movie franchises of all time together in one big loud summer movie plate of what we hope will be awesomeness.
For Anderson, the London spring will be experienced mostly in the wee hours of the morning as he shuttles between his home and production studio. IGN FilmForce's Steven Horn managed to get in touch with Anderson on his cellphone in London. Reached in the editing room, Anderson took some time out of his busy night to talk with us about the status of the project.
STEVEN HORN, IGN FILMFORCE: Hi Paul, how's it going? You guys are right in the middle of it all, huh?
PAUL ANDERSON: Yeah, we're f***ing ... we're going full throttle!
IGNFF: Excellent.
ANDERSON: Yeah, because we really only finished shooting two weeks ago.It was insane! We finished up with two days on top of Mt. Blanc, four thousand meters up in the air with temperatures of minus 80 degrees centigrade. That is pretty damn cold, I mean that's Antarctic cold. We were out there for two days and you had to wear complete face protection, like a faceplate. It made you look like Hannibal Lecter. But if you didn't, then your nose would just freeze and fall off.
IGNFF: I bet the people with beards had the nasty icicles in them and everything? Author's Note: What kind of dumbass statement is that?
ANDERSON: Absolutely! I'd grown my stubble a bit and it took you ages to defrost afterwards because your face was just covered in ice – and that was underneath these masks, it was quite phenomenal.
IGNFF: Well I went to see you in Prague, you know to visit [the set]. I froze my ass off there so I couldn't even imagine what you guys went through there.
ANDERSON: Prague was like a Caribbean beach compared to the top of this mountain I'll tell you – it was cold.
IGNFF: OK, let's get into it. We want to kind of get a sense of how frenzied things are now. Give us a sense of your work day, what typically happens. Or is there even a typical work day?
ANDERSON: We're working seven days a week pretty much. They start early in the morning and they proceed 'til about midnight every night. I completely exhausted my filming crew, they were complete hanging rags by the time we finished. So now I get to do exactly the same to my post-production crew.
IGNFF: Are they shooting daggers out of their eyes at you?
ANDERSON: No they love it, I mean one of the great things about this movie is that we have a relatively young cast and crew working on it. All of them are just fan-boys and fan-girls, I mean they can't believe their luck to be working on not only an Alien movie, but an Alien and a Predator movie.
So, it's a phenomenally committed crew. It's not like I'm having to beat these people over the head to stay in the cutting room 'til midnight, or crouched over their computers till midnight, I mean they're doing it. They're doing it because I think they all realize that this is a little bit of cinematic history. We're very privileged to be sharing the same title as some of the best movies ever made. That's a huge pressure on people and a huge honor to be working on that franchise. They're working hard without me having to kick them up the ass. I mean I don't mind doing that of course. (Laughs.) But, you know, they're a highly motivated bunch and very excited about the movie they're making.
IGNFF: It must be sweet to have that kind of dedication – to have fans actually looking after it is a big thing. I hear that a lot from people who read our site, and just friends of mine they're like, 'I'm glad that these guys are fans.' Because it's a lucrative franchise and it could get screwed up, like we've seen before.
ANDERSON: We're all here to make the best possible movie we can do. As critical as anybody else can be, I doubt it's as critical as we are with ourselves and as tough as we are on ourselves.
IGNFF: I remember when you were talking to us last time, you had talked about when the teaser trailer for Alien3 came out. Everyone got excited that it was on Earth and then it turned out that it was not on Earth. People who have seen this trailer are just freaking out…
ANDERSON: Oh that's excellent, the Internet teaser?
IGNFF: Yeah.
ANDERSON: I mean I'm in my own little post-production bubble, so I don't get to hear any…
IGNFF: Oh really? You're not hearing the news? Well based on this trailer people are pretty excited, but they're nervous too. These are pretty beloved franchises and I think the more people understand that the people looking after it, are looking after it, then they'll relax a little.
ANDERSON: I think that you know, all of us involved in making it, both on the acting and the crew side of it have all been very aware of the pressure. The pressure to kind of live up to, certainly in the Alien franchise, two classic movies: Alien and Aliens. If you're going to make a horror movie it doesn't get any better than Alien…and if you're going to make an action movie it really doesn't get any better than Aliens. Predator, you know, was John McTiernan absolutely at the top of his game. That's a huge pressure as well. Everyone's been very aware of that and everyone has been kind of working their little socks off to live up to that and, who knows, maybe exceed it in some areas. We're trying anyway.
IGNFF: So what's giving you the most trouble in post-production right now?
ANDERSON: In post? I wouldn't say that any scene is a trouble scene because it doesn't work or anything like that. This is a movie that had a phenomenal amount of thought put into it before we started making it, specifically with how we were going to do the Alien and Predator combat aspects. I did not want to rely on fully CG Aliens and Predators wailing on each other, because I don't think that would have looked very good … I mean you could have spent years and Jurassic Park money on it and it would never have looked as good as the real thing. So that's why we specifically shot as much practical as we possibly could. What that meant was we had to spend a huge amount of time shooting the fights. If you do it all CG, you shoot a bunch of plates and then you do it post-production on a computer. We went a much more difficult route of practicality, like for example in the first Alien/Predator fight, where an Alien and a Predator go head-to-head, we spent two months shooting it. They're in kind of like a chamber which they literally tear apart as they fight. We had to have practical walls that would break, columns that would collapse, floors that would break. When the Alien's tail snaps into things, those things have to break, and so on and so forth. We did everything, as much as possible, practically. During the shoot that was problematic because it just meant it was a huge amount of time to shoot it. In post, if anything is the most difficult thing it seems like you've got [find a way] for two months worth of material to fit, hopefully, the most amazing head-to-head fight scene ever seen. You shrink down two months' worth of material into an amazing three or four minutes.
It's just the sheer volume of material that you're working with. But then the exciting thing is you have it, you see it, you see an Alien flung and smacking into a pillar or whatever, you get it. Combing through the material and getting the best of the best to put in the movie is incredibly time consuming, and that's why we're working until midnight every night.
IGNFF: The good part about having all that coverage is the DVD! You can put it in the director's cut.
ANDERSON: Yeah, we can have the ten-disc set on this movie! We've got plenty of footage. (Laughs.)
IGNFF: One thing you guys didn't really have nailed down yet when we visited was a score – any news about the score?
ANDERSON: We just hired a composer called Harald Kloser to do the score. He's a very well known European composer. He did a movie called The Thirteenth Floor that came out a couple of years ago in the states. He just finished the score on The Day After Tomorrow, Roland Emmerich's new picture. It has a phenomenal score; big, epic, as you'd expect from one of Roland's pictures.
IGNFF: Yeah we heard a lot of chorale like (sings), that kind of stuff in the trailer. Lots of huge orchestral stuff...
ANDERSON: Yeah, Harald is a big composer. He's Austrian so he's like Mozart, only alive, and hopefully easier to work with as well. (Laughs.)
I'm very excited about him. The reason why we hired him is that he's such a humongous fan. Again I wanted to go with people's passion for the franchise, their passion for the movies. This guy's a complete Alien and Predator freak. That's what I [also] pursued when I was casting people for the roles, when I was getting the crew together. That was the thing that I most wanted to hear was people's enthusiasm for the franchises, for the existing movies. Harald is no different from any of the rest of the crew in that he's a complete Alien fiend. So he's going to start working very, very soon, we're flying over to London I think this weekend.
IGNFF: So is Harald's music going to be orchestral or...
ANDERSON: It's going to be primarily orchestral, there won't be any source music in there. It'll be an orchestral score probably with a kind of a synth bed in some scenes. But it's very much along the line of the traditional scores that the Alien and Predator movies have had. It's not like we're going to cover the movie in techno music or anything like that. You know, this is a terrifying movie and it needs a terrifying, classic movie score to go with it; at the same time it's got huge action so it needs that kind of proper orchestral support.
IGNFF: Yeah, well I mean some techno is terrifying so...
ANDERSON: (Laughs.) Also one of things that Harald came to do is to work with a lot of high and low frequency noises as well. One of the things he likes to do (because he's done a lot of experimental stuff as well, which you won't find reflected in Roland's movie) is where he samples machinery and animal noises, things like that, and then works those natural and unnatural sounds into music. The idea is that what we'll get is something very, very unsettling.
IGNFF: How about the sound of Predator-vision – that was a very distinct sound – will you be able to preserve some of that?
ANDERSON: Absolutely! I mean our intention was to not stray too far away from what the original movies did; the Alien makes a certain sound and the Alien is going to make that sound, Predators make a certain sound and that's the species they are. They're not suddenly going to start making different noises. We're staying very true to the franchises in terms of the sounds of the creatures, in terms of things like graphics, the Predator-vision, we're keeping the same thing.
Predator hunts mainly in thermal mode when he's hunting for humans, obviously he has to shift modes as he did. In Predator 2 you could see that he would shift modes when he was looking for different things, so when he's in that meat locker and he's looking for the lights he shifts to infrared. It's already been established that the Predator can shift to different vision modes and obviously he needs a different vision mode when he's hunting Aliens than when he's hunting humans. Aliens are cold-blooded, so they don't give off the same kind of heat signature that a human does. So we've got lots of different levels of Predator-vision.
It's been really exciting you know, what does a human look like in Predator-vision? What does a Predator look like in Predator-vision? What do they look like to themselves? How much inside an Alien can you see? What's the inside of an Alien look like? I mean that's all been quite exciting. But the basic idea was to keep exactly the same idea for human's thermal-vision and still keep the kind of soundwave to the left hand side of the screen. Obviously we're doing it in much more sophisticated fashion because you know this is fifteen years later and we can. You know, what McTiernan was doing fifteen/sixteen years ago was state-of-the-art, what we're doing now is state-of-the-art but obviously two different arts. It's more sophisticated but it's very much the same template, I always liken it to, it's like the first Predator was running Windows 1.0, and now he's running Windows XP. It's the same operating system but it's very much improved. The same extends to the Predator's weapons as well – he's got a mix of the traditional weapons, some of which have been slightly improved, and new weapons as well because when you're hunting humans that's one thing, but when you go hunting an elephant you take an elephant gun. When you're hunting an Alien you take something slightly bigger than when you're trying to hunt Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny Glover.
IGNFF: True. So how are you personally holding up, are you dreaming and sleeping Aliens all the time?
ANDERSON: Sleep is a outmoded concept, it's best not to think about sleep.
IGNFF: So you're living and breathing it?
ANDERSON: Absolutely, I mean literally it consumes every waking hour of every day. You do dream about it because it becomes your life, I mean that's all you do is Aliens and Predators. I definitely dream about them.
IGNFF: How are you unwinding these days?
ANDERSON: Um, you don't, you go out and hunt humans in Hyde Park.
IGNFF: (Laughs.) American Werewolf in London style. Anything else you want to put out there as far as what's going on with filming or with post?
ANDERSON: Yeah. It's just that, you know people have been excited about this movie for a long time; for twelve years I think the idea's been out there. We're working our very hardest to make sure that it's been worth the wait. The movie's being made with a lot of people who just love the movies that this film is based upon. [It's] being made with an awful lot of hard work and a lot of Twentieth Century Fox's money ... certainly more than they wanted to spend on it (laughs)...it's been a constant battle but they've moved in the right direction which is very good.
IGNFF: Yeah, well you've kind of got them now...
ANDERSON: They've been very good actually. They've always kind of given more when they needed to, and we're hoping to really deliver on the promise of what this should be. I know for a fact that we've put some amazing Alien and Predator action on film. I don't have to finish cutting the movie to know that, I mean these creatures look the best they've looked and when they go head-to-head, it's like two alien creatures going head-to-head, it looks real, it looks ferocious, it's fast, it's frenzied, it's scary as hell. It's very impactful as well, I mean it's huge! People are going to leave the theaters I think pretty wrung out.
IGNFF: I've always thought of it as getting two elephants together, I mean it would destroy a room, based on their weapons and size…
ANDERSON: Yeah, I mean they tear these places apart! There was one set where we were filming the first Alien/Predator fight. When we started, the room was made out of all this black stone, it's very cool looking. About halfway through the shoot I was standing with my DP. We were looking at the shot, and we're going, 'There's something wrong, it doesn't look right.' What we realized was that the whole set had changed color because we'd been smashing up so much of it that just the dust from all the rock that had been exploding and breaking had impregnated the entire set! It turned it kind of brown, rather than black. It had become a big problem for us and we had to have the whole thing cleaned because we literally had been causing so much devastation that the whole color had changed.
IGNFF: That's excellent! Was that the temple?
ANDERSON: Yeah, we called it the fight chamber, but that's what happened in there. There were two days of dialogue, and then two months of fight...
IGNFF: You guys had a sizeable fire on the set too, didn't you?
ANDERSON: Um, yeah it was a controlled fire, it got a bit big, a bit bigger than it was supposed to be. I have a very good special effects crew, this German crew who also did Resident Evil for me. They kept saying, 'Well how big do you want the explosion?' I'd say 'Really big.' They'd come back and go, 'You mean really, really big?' [and] I said, 'Really, really, really big.' Then we did the explosion and it was f***ing humongous. I mean you could see it all the way across Prague. It was huge, one of those things where literally airplanes would report it from 20,000 feet in the air because they would see something down there. I went to the special effects guys and said it was just amazingly good, but half the set caught fire and burned down. The studio and producers were insane. I said to [the special effects people], 'Well, how did you do that?' They said, 'Well, it's simple, it was just 40 gallons of gasoline.' It was like the explosion in Apocalypse Now, there's nothing better than just burning lots of petrol in like two seconds, KA-BOOM!
IGNFF: Indeed! When we visited you in Prague, we were shown a clip of everything catching on fire and it was pretty crazy... (laughs)
ANDERSON: It was great, a joy to behold!
If you notice, there are alien statues and such in the pyramid...so the movie I want to see is the one with the effiminate alien sculptor that gets picked on by the other aliens. Or how about the alien cook names "cookie" or something else.
I guess I just don't get the fascination and think it would make a great comedy to see the social infrastructure of an alien race. Do the predators mom's kiss them goodbye and wish them goodluck. What's it like when aliens masturbate...or do they hump each other like dogs?
Quote from: metroshaneI guess I just don't get the fascination and think it would make a great comedy to see the social infrastructure of an alien race. Do the predators mom's kiss them goodbye and wish them goodluck. What's it like when aliens masturbate...or do they hump each other like dogs?
:lol:
Check that last paragraph, where he compares his movie to Apocalypse Now. Now that's funny.
Oh, I've heard about Paul Anderson before. He made that film with the frog rain, rite?
Quote from: Jan MayenOh, I've heard about Paul Anderson before. He made that film with the frog rain, rite?
wow... that's funny. nobody's ever made that joke before. really. you're the first. the first ever... to make that joke.
over at www.joblo.com there is an interview with Howard Stern and Paul Anderson that you can listen to and it is really good and its suprising that Stern is into the kind of movies that he is into
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette3/
scenes, interviews, paul andersons that didnt direct boogie nights....
have i already pointed out how RIdiculous it is to acutally have VERSUS in the title? like just absurd. freddy vs. jason was ridiculousu, but if this is a new trend count my puke in...
Kramer vs. Kramer?
Joe Versus The Volcano?
Quote from: OnomatopitaKramer vs. Kramer?
that was different because it was a court case. if aliens vs predator has a courtroom scene, i'll forgive it.
Quote from: MacGuffinJoe Versus The Volcano?
that was sort of clever in a wacky 80s way. this is neither. and before some other smartass can beat me to it this is exempt too...
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now you all know what i mean~ :evil:
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fuck eyah
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/trailer
"whoever wins...we lose"
i like it
Snow White vs. Cinderella
Xixax vs. Late responses
Didnt know there was a time limit.
now u do.
Quotenow u do.
Isn't a forum a place where one can openly discuss issues with an audience and express ideas of the day? So by putting a time limit on it you are impedeing communication. A marketplace or public place is actually a door which facilitates this type of thought and its symbols, always revolving.
And this movie isnt even supposed to come out until 8/13/04.
Quote from: londonIsn't a forum a place where one can openly discuss issues with an audience and express ideas of the day?
A forum is a also a place where some 'mess' with others.
"That's why they call it 'fuckin' with ya'." - Ordell - "Jackie Brown"
Quote"That's why they call it 'fuckin' with ya'." - Ordell - "Jackie Brown"
Doh! Whats that about not being so grave?
PG-13? And I was thinking about seeing this.
ewwww...
Quote from: StefenPG-13? And I was thinking about seeing this.
Ditto on dissapointment. But I'm seeing it anyway.
does PG-13 mean that it wont have the obligatory tits shot of the semi-attractive FHM type lady and little violence/gore...or does it mean no tits shot but an "adequate" suppley of violence/gore........?
I dont know what it will have, but I can tell you what it wont have. It wont have chest bursters or predator beheadings. How boring.
Hard to kill
Championed by a director as relentless as its characters, 'Alien vs. Predator' took a perilous path to the screen. Source: Los Angeles Times
For more than a decade, science fiction fanatic Paul W.S. Anderson felt compelled to write and direct "Alien vs. Predator," bringing together two of his favorite movie titles. It took 20th Century Fox and the film's many producers almost as long to share his passion.
After several false starts, a studio management shakeup, years of negotiations between feuding producers, a near derailment by a fifth "Alien" movie and a last-minute assist from another studio's hit slasher film, Anderson finally got his wish, and his resulting "AVP" movie debuts Friday.
"It took a long time to try to figure out how to make it work," producer John Davis says with understatement.
Combining two of Fox's best-known science fiction titles, the film seems a natural fit for today's show business craving for recognizable franchises. The marriage is so obvious, in fact, that an Alien skull made a cameo in 1990's "Predator 2," and the Predator and Alien creatures started dueling years ago in popular video games and comic books.
Yet "AVP's" road to movie theaters has proved as perilous as an abandoned spacecraft, and in an unusually defensive step, Fox decided not to show its nearly $70-million investment to movie critics before its release.
Even without reviews, the movie can deliver plenty to Fox. The film can take advantage of the "Alien" and "Predator" name recognition to launch not only itself but also, if it sells bushels of tickets, potential sequels. New Line Cinema is currently thinking about a follow-up to its 2003 hit "Freddy vs. Jason," a spin-off from the "Nightmare on Elm Street" and "Friday the 13th" films, and Warner Bros. has toyed with (but recently abandoned) a "Batman vs. Superman" project.
"The advantage we have over a 'Batman vs. Superman' or even a 'Freddy vs. Jason' is that we are dealing with a species," Anderson says. "There are any number of Predators, and any number of Aliens, so there can be endless amounts of Alien deaths, and endless amounts of Predator deaths. There's only one Batman, and one Superman, and Warners is not going to kill one of its franchises off."
Fox furthermore believes audience interest in "AVP's" antiheroes will reinvigorate DVD sales for its six previous "Alien" and "Predator" films, and the studio is now releasing a two-disc "collector's edition" of 1987's "Predator" (Vivendi Universal Games also has a new "Predator" video game). Finally, a well-received movie might also give fresh energy to "Predator" and "Alien" sequels well into the future.
What sounds like an obvious no-brainer on paper, though, wasn't so easy when it came to bringing "AVP" to life.
Many questions
No matter how skeptical moviegoers might be, studios do try to operate to the best of their abilities, and if you think some of today's movies are bad, imagine the quality of movies that don't get made. Such was one of Fox's dilemmas on "AVP."
In numerous pitch meetings with the studio and producer Davis, a series of screenwriters struggled to find an effective way of marrying the futuristic Alien creature with the modern-day Predator. There were so many versions that the Writers Guild of America spent four months sorting out the "AVP" screenplay credits (Anderson has sole screenplay credit, with the story by Anderson and Dan O'Bannon & Ronald Shusett).
There were any number of storytelling decisions. Should the movie be set in space, where the Aliens reside? Or back on Earth, where Predators dwell? What time period would be best? Which species would ultimately prevail? Or should the movie be made at all?
Former Fox studio chief Bill Mechanic believed there was still mileage left in the original "Alien" and "Predator" movies, and felt a combination sequel might kill off both. He consequently considered "AVP" a poor idea. "Alien" star Sigourney Weaver said she didn't want "any part" of a joint movie.
Anderson had different ideas.
He had attended the 1994 Sundance Film Festival with his low-budget drama "Shopping." While making the rounds in Park City, Utah, Anderson encountered a young Fox studio executive and promptly pitched him his idea for an "Alien vs. Predator" story.
The executive quickly rose up the Fox ladder (Peter Rice now runs the studio's specialty division, Fox Searchlight), but Anderson's "AVP" idea went nowhere.
"No one was ever going to give that kind of movie to me to make," Anderson says. The British director went on to make a number of popular genre films, including "Mortal Kombat," "Event Horizon" and "Resident Evil," yet he never stopped thinking about "AVP."
Meanwhile, circumstances began working in Anderson's favor. "Alien: Resurrection," Fox's fourth film in that series, didn't do well when it came out in 1997, recording a lower domestic gross than any of the preceding "Alien" movies. "Predator 2," released in 1990, grossed half of what the 1987 original took in. Mechanic left the studio in 2000.
"The last 'Alien' was a bit of a disappointment. Either the movie was not up to snuff or the franchise had run its course," says Hutch Parker, Fox's production chief, adding that another "Predator" sequel looked equally unlikely. "As individual franchises, they were likely not to have next chapters."
Anderson was finally summoned to Fox's Century City studios, where he pitched Parker his idea, which hadn't really evolved that much since Sundance. To help tell the story, in which present-day scientists unearth a creature-on-creature battleground deep inside an Antarctica pyramid, Anderson shelled out thousands of dollars of his own money on five giant "AVP" conceptual illustrations by designer Patrick Tatopoulos.
"We really liked his approach, and what he had to say about the movie," Parker says of Anderson's presentation. "It felt like a perfect end-of-the summer picture. It all felt right."
Not that it would be easy.
Too many cooks
Even though Fox made all of the earlier "Alien" and "Predator" movies, each film was produced by different people, and not all of those producers were on common ground, or even on speaking terms.
In particular, the two "Predator" movies were produced by Larry Gordon and Joel Silver, and in the years since those films were made, the former colleagues had gone their separate ways and famously feuded. If Davis were to get "AVP" in front of cameras, he had to mend some fences first.
"The hardest part of the movie was getting all of the producers together and then getting rid of all of them," Davis says. "Because it was just too many cooks in the kitchen. There's no way this could be done with seven major egos trying to manage the process." Davis says it took two years to close all of the producer deals.
Then another "AVP" problem loomed. Although "Alien: Resurrection" was a financial disappointment, a fifth "Alien" movie suddenly seemed possible. Ridley Scott, who directed "Alien" in 1979, and James Cameron, who directed 1986's sequel, "Aliens," considered joining forces for one more "Alien" production. Fox naturally wanted to see if anything would come of the possible collaboration between two of the most successful filmmakers in Hollywood history. When nothing did, "AVP" was back on track.
Davis and Anderson faced one more snag. According to one account, disputed by Fox, the studio initially didn't want to spend much more than $40 million on the movie, a budget Anderson and Davis thought would be ruinously cheap. But then New Line's lightly regarded "Freddy vs. Jason" opened to a stunning first weekend of $36.4 million, and "AVP" had some much-needed momentum. The production budget climbed toward $70 million.
"You often need one last push to get a movie over the top," Davis says. "I won't say that ['Freddy vs. Jason'] was the deciding factor, but any help you can get" is critical.
By shooting the film in Prague and filling the cast and crew with enough Europeans to qualify for incentives and tax credits, Fox was able to save millions.
Respect for history
In a Chatsworth warehouse, creature designers Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff show off full-scale Alien and Predator models, both of which are a bit nicked up, having battled one another so violently.
"Both the characters are icons," Gillis says. "So we felt a great responsibility to not change them."
There's new weaponry for the Predator, more functional articulation for the Alien. But Anderson has tried to make a movie that doesn't overturn the precedents laid down by the six films before him, and he has memorized every scene in those earlier movies.
"You want to kind of reinvent, but always while paying homage to the original designs," Anderson says. "I didn't want 'Alien vs. Predator' to put some kind of mythology out there that in some way contradicted [the earlier movies]. It's a pet peeve of mine when you see franchises over the years that contradict themselves. Because all the hard-core fans say, 'No!' And we really care about those things."
Quote from: StefenI dont know what it will have, but I can tell you what it wont have. It wont have chest bursters or predator beheadings. How boring.
I read that it's two hours of arm wrestling and bitchslapping.
At least Danny Glover isn't in this...
since i have nothing better to bitch about ................the more i think about the more i realize thats its phucking stupid that this ghetto film is pg-13............why??...............people are going to see this film for the sole reason of seeing two popular alien characters kick each other s asses..........along w/ some humans thrown into the mix...........so , the bitches behind the scenes should have turned up the violence and gore and went for an R rating.......an paul anderson IMO opinion did an all out gore fest w/ event horizon..............[which is a wicked film] and it scared the sh*t out of me....the only[/i] reason why i think its pg-13 is to get more audiences of younger ages into this film........but still this would/should sell pretty well anyway w/ an R rating like freddy vs. jason.........also, b/c of the pg-13 rating people will have to endue soem dumbass phucking kids talking screaming and teething through the film.........which will ruin peoples experience.............lastly, the only recent effective horror/_____ that was rated pg-13 that had any effect was the ring.....but it wasnt that gory ......but it was still effective......what is a film thats rated pg-13 that has plenty of gore thats worth a sh*t...............i cant think of one........
MPAA: Rated PG-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore.
God bless you, MPAA.
Quote from: CinephileMPAA: Rated PG-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore.
God bless you, MPAA.
Gotta protect the kids from the slime.
Nickolodeon's Kid's Choice Awards: Rated R for slime and Rosie O'Donnell.
that wasn't funny, ya poof!
this was just sort of blah. i guess i shouldnt have been expecting much, and i wasnt but hoped it could be fun in a freddy vs. jason way. it wasnt. the problem was that freddy has a personality, (jason doesnt.) here there are two creatures, neither of which you know/care anything about, so really who gives a shit? it was really dark. seemed a little censored cutting away from anything violent quickly. could've been a lot worse, but it could've been a lot better. it just sort of layed there. :?
Ya know..
I'm thinking this movie is going to be a live reinactment of a first person shooter.
;)
Wow.. You know this movie has to suck ass when you see www.metacritic.com listing this.
Bad movie alert!
Alien vs. Predator
was not screened in advance for critics.
It's scored a 26/100 so far.
*SPOILERS*.... I guess, but there's no reason you should see this anyway.
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Jesus Christ, I didn't realize I paid to watch a Buddy Movie.
Going in, I wasn't expecting much, or anything at all from this. But I got much less than that. This was horrible and yet it received quite a bit of fan fare during certain moments of action, as if the audience were saying, "hey! this is pretty good!" That was later confirmed when a number of people came out of the theater exclaiming, and now I'm quoting, "You think this could be officially declared AWESOME?!"
Quite a few awkward moments of sexual tension between the two "leads" made me giggle. As did the bad Charlie's Angel shot of people running away from fire. I also noticed a Jurassic Park rip-off towards the end.
All in all, I've come to know just how much I hate the people in my town.
i was a little miffed when it took over an hour for the predators to start fighting the aliens. also, warning to alien fans: this is really a predator movie with guest starring aliens. being a bigger alien fan, that disappointed me. but i guess it can't really be an alien movie without ripley. i had a fun time, but only because i had a fun audience who clapped at the dumb shit and whatnot. i really didn't think it was as awesome as resident evil or even mortal kombat, but it was better than staying at home and doing nothing.
wait, so who won?
I'LL JUST SPOIL THE MOVIE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE IT BUT WANT TO KNOW THE END, so SPOILER! (swipe to read):
it turns out that the predators came to earth thousands of years ago and brought alien specimens with them b/c the predators are hunters and they like a challenge. so they built this pyramid/obstacle course type thing and had all these aliens in it and would hunt them. then they just kind of blew up the place and left earth, b/c, fuck it man, the aliens were getting too strong. thousands of years later (present day), the predators were like, hey, let's go hunting again, and prepared the site for landing and awoke the queen who was frozen inside. in doing this, they sent off a satellite signal, which was recepted by some organization. so, when the excavation team comes to explore the pyramid, they all end up getting alien implants, except for one chick who allies with the predators so that the aliens won't escape the pyramid and she can destroy the aliens with the predator hunters. they do and the movie is over. OR SO WE THINK! turns out, one of the predators got an alien implant and when he's on his little spaceship on the way back to wherever he comes from, a little alien/predator hybrid pops out of his stomach. then the movie ends. my friend said to me, why would it be a predator/alien hybrid if when the aliens are in our systems, it's not an alien/human hybrid. but i just told him, in all the alien movies, the only aliens we've ever seen have been aliens that came from humans. so there.
and the dog hybrid, the coolest alien ever. (correcting taz' last statement)
Quote from: rustinglassand the dog hybrid, the coolest alien ever. (correcting taz' last statement)
oh, shit! i forgot about that one. good call. i feel like watching the alien movies. and going out and buying the new predator dvd. DAMMIT! AVP was just a marketing ploy for fans to get nostalgic and buy more shit...
:o did anyone like it?? i am going to see it anyway.
Quote from: filmboy70:o did anyone like it?? i am going to see it anyway.
i guess if you're a fan of either series, you kind of have to see it. it's a movie based on marketing. i paid for manchurian candidate though, b/c the theater i went to was all sold out. i had to sit in the aisles. it was degrading. and i couldn't walk straight for an hour.
This is the kinda stuff that drives me nuts. I was discussing AvP with a guy in another forum that I post in. I was trying to explain why I have no intention of seeing it and he says,
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"Lol. Think what you want man. It wasn't half-bad, IMO. Maybe you should write them and ask them to hire Steven Spielberg to direct the next one, and cast Tom Cruise in the lead, and use Lucas studios to do the special effects, and have Francis Copella write the screen play, and then maybe you will be satisfied that it is a good enough movie to grace your eyes. :P
Me, I love all kinds of movies. Sometimes I just want to be entertained. That is what movies like this are for, and it pulled it off well. I don't go into every movie looking for Lord of the Rings. I'm not that nieve. I think people, in general, over-analyze movies way too much, especially movie critics. It's one thing to not like a movie because the story didn't capture you, or it's not your thing, or whatever.
But some people don't like Spider-Man movies because of things like "In the comic book, his webshooters are not part of his powers. Oh, and his spidey symbol on his chest is slighty skewed to the right, when it is suppose to be skewed to the left. What is with this stupid movie? Total crap! Ruins it all! I'll never watch another movie again and I'm going off to join a convent! Cruel world, how could you do this to me!"
I think the "it's just a movie" argument is one of the worst in the world. if it's "just a movie", then why are they spending like 80 million on it, with a staff of lawyers, market researchers, and why do the tickets coast 10 bucks and the popcorns cost 5?
Unfortunately too many people regard the movies as nothing more than a way to kill 2 hours.
Quote from: MyxomatosisThis is the kinda stuff that drives me nuts. I was discussing AvP with a guy in another forum that I post in. I was trying to explain why I have no intention of seeing it and he says,
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"Lol. Think what you want man. It wasn't half-bad, IMO. Maybe you should write them and ask them to hire Steven Spielberg to direct the next one, and cast Tom Cruise in the lead, and use Lucas studios to do the special effects, and have Francis Copella write the screen play, and then maybe you will be satisfied that it is a good enough movie to grace your eyes. :P
Me, I love all kinds of movies. Sometimes I just want to be entertained. That is what movies like this are for, and it pulled it off well. I don't go into every movie looking for Lord of the Rings. I'm not that nieve. I think people, in general, over-analyze movies way too much, especially movie critics. It's one thing to not like a movie because the story didn't capture you, or it's not your thing, or whatever.
But some people don't like Spider-Man movies because of things like "In the comic book, his webshooters are not part of his powers. Oh, and his spidey symbol on his chest is slighty skewed to the right, when it is suppose to be skewed to the left. What is with this stupid movie? Total crap! Ruins it all! I'll never watch another movie again and I'm going off to join a convent! Cruel world, how could you do this to me!"
I agree with that guy. Can you have him join xixax?
Quote from: peteI think the "it's just a movie" argument is one of the worst in the world. if it's "just a movie", then why are they spending like 80 million on it, with a staff of lawyers, market researchers, and why do the tickets coast 10 bucks and the popcorns cost 5?
I don't think it's the studios who are using that argument. It's show 'business'.
Also, while the studios do get a bulk of the admission price, the theater chains up the cost so they get a hefty cut too. And the studios have nothing to do with the concession stands.
Quote from: RaviUnfortunately too many people regard the movies as nothing more than a way to kill 2 hours.
Unfortunate for who? Not everyone is or wants to be a cinephile. Sometimes some people just want to escape.
That's why Cinema won't ever be properly considered an art.
I'm all for escapsim, that's one of the things I love about movies...but do we have to consider it icing on the cake when there's a sense of respect for the audience? Wouldn't it be great if that was more of a standard practice? Like with Spiderman 2, which was as thrilling as could be and also went the extra mile to be emotionally and intelectually involving (at least to some).
I like to be entertained, but I don't like brain-dead entertainment. With Alien Vs. Predator and films of that ilk, all signs point in that direction. I personally won't be going to see it, and the fact that it's PG-13 means that there's more concern for the bottom line than for the fans of the series. This wasn't a problem with Freddy Vs. Jason, which gave fans pretty much everything they wanted to see.
So anyway, thank you, Taz, for clueing me into the whole plot, so that now I know for sure that I'm not missing anything.
Quote from: cronopioThat's why Cinema won't ever be properly considered an art.
By whom? By everyone? Those that take film seriously already know it's 'art', and it's already been established as such. There's a reason why they have art house theaters, and 'Summer' movies come out when they do, and Academy films come out when they do.
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: cronopioThat's why Cinema won't ever be properly considered an art.
By whom? By everyone? Those that take film seriously already know it's 'art', and it's already been established as such. There's a reason why they have art house theaters, and 'Summer' movies come out when they do, and Academy films come out when they do.
You're completely right, but that wasn't what i was talking about. Even summer movies have an inmense potential to be something escapist and creative/rewarding at the same time, but right very now, it is as if people at the industry is struggling to find out the perfect balance (be it actors, timing, hollywoodian common subtexts) for 'x' blockbuster and make everyone happy. We're getting lazier.
Quote from: cronopioThat's why Cinema won't ever be properly considered an art.
you can't call the entire "cinema" art, just like any other medium, some of them is art and some is kitsch, and some is crap.
Quote from: peteQuote from: cronopioThat's why Cinema won't ever be properly considered an art.
you can't call the entire "cinema" art, just like any other medium, some of them is art and some is kitsch, and some is crap.
Yes, but with films, those contrasts are ridiculous. There's Waterworld and there's El Mariachi.
Quote from: RaviUnfortunately too many people regard the movies as nothing more than a way to kill 2 hours.
which was how i felt about avp.
I've seen both Predator movies but I've never seen any of the Alien ones. Didn't care to see this but snuck in with a friend tonight and for as dumb as I expected this to be, it was fucking entertaining. The fight scenes were decent but the Beauty and the Beast love story that almost developed scared me enough to make me not look at the screen. It ended up being the only scary thing the movie had going for it. Also, it all ended pretty abrupty in my mind. Not really the big war I was expecting.
Quote from: cronopioQuote from: peteQuote from: cronopioThat's why Cinema won't ever be properly considered an art.
you can't call the entire "cinema" art, just like any other medium, some of them is art and some is kitsch, and some is crap.
Yes, but with films, those contrasts are ridiculous. There's Waterworld and there's El Mariachi.
how is el mariachi art?
is it true that whoever wins we lose?
I can't wait to see this...
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Quote from: Sleuthis it true that whoever wins we lose?
yes..its true ..b/c whoever wins we lose out on a chance for a sequel since the other guy will be dead... :yabbse-cry:
i'm sure they'll find some way to do Aliens vs. Predators
i was really stoned when i saw this and i still thought it was boring
Here was my response to him:
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I agree with you on the entertainment part. Some movies are totally popcorn driven fun. I agree completely. It comes down to this really..
It takes 20 minutes to drive to and from the theater.
The movie lasts for 2-3 hours, depending on the film.
I'm out $9.00 if it sucks.
Right now I work 46 hours/week and go to classes 12 hours/week. So, it's not just a matter of "whats good enough to grace my eyes". I recognize that I am a film snob. But, on the same note, I gotta be a little snobbish if I wanna get a chance to see the films I really wanna see. Because I'm so busy, I need a filter for what looks like crap, and what doesn't. I don't make spur of the moment decisions to go see movies like AvP because I know they aren't for me. That's not to say that somebody else wouldn't like them, but I wouldn't.
Anyway.. One last thought before I end my silly rant.. :P
I think there is an audience of people in movie-going-America that rule the box office. I believe there are certain films which are just fantastic that never get any play from the general public because people have gotten too lazy. I also feel like nobody wants to see a good story anymore. There is a "target audience" in America that film studios pander to. Movies like AvP are a great example of this.
That whole thing probably cost them 50-60 million to make. The studio behind that movie knows full well that they will make that back and turn a profit. There is no risk in making it. Because there is no risk in making it, unfortunately the people behind the film itself get lazy with the story because, hey, who cares right? They'll make money off the film and thats all that matters. It doesn't actually need a well crafted story to sell. Just, make the Aliens and Predators blow stuff up and chase the humans around for 2 hours and people will leave with a smile.
Is there any reason why AvP couldn't have been farging brilliant? I haven't seen the film, but from what you said, it sounds like an average or below average story with great effects. Why couldn't it have been a GREAT story and film like Predator and the Alien franchise were? There's no reason why a studio needs to let hack directors and writers churn out something average when it could be so much better.
Hell, get James Cameron/David Fincher/Ridley Scott to make AvP. At least those three guys actually made Alien movies.
Something else..
You can write something brilliant, but if the studio doesn't see an audience for it, they won't green light it. Part of the reason there is no audience for great storys has to do with the saturation of films like AvP. People have short attention spans, as I said earlier.
Studios approach movies like baking cookies.
Anyway. That's my opinion. It's not even close to being the word or anything like that. I just wanted to say that..
:D
Edit:
I went and saw Freddy vs. Jason in the theater a few months back. So, I still go to movies I just know will suck. I'm pretty picky though..
If that makes me a snob, oh well. I'm not the one coming out of the theater going,
"Man did that suck. I want my 2 hours and $9.00 back. The trailer looked cool though!"
:P
Toddler chokes to death on popcorn at movie theater
VALLEY STREAM, N.Y. -- A 3-year-old boy choked to death while eating popcorn at a movie theater. Deontea Riley, of New York City, was at the Sunrise Multiplex Cinemas in Long Island's Valley Stream watching "Alien vs. Predator" with his parents and older brother when he began to choke shortly before 7 p.m. Sunday, Nassau County police said. The family all had been eating from a small tub of popcorn when Elaine McIntosh, the boy's mother, saw that her youngest son was choking. His parents rushed him out of the theater where they performed the Heimlich maneuver without success. "I was trying everything," his father, Eddie Riley, told the Daily News in Tuesday's editions. "I was trying to put my finger down his throat. I didn't feel anything." Police arrived shortly afterward and tried to clear the boy's mouth and perform CPR, but he was pronounced dead at Mercy Medical Center in Rockville Center. His body was taken to the Nassau University Medical Center morgue pending a medical examiner's report. (AP)
Quote from: MacGuffinToddler chokes to death on popcorn at movie theater
VALLEY STREAM, N.Y. -- A 3-year-old boy choked to death while eating popcorn at a movie theater. Deontea Riley, of New York City, was at the Sunrise Multiplex Cinemas in Long Island's Valley Stream watching "Alien vs. Predator" with his parents and older brother when he began to choke shortly before 7 p.m. Sunday, Nassau County police said. The family all had been eating from a small tub of popcorn when Elaine McIntosh, the boy's mother, saw that her youngest son was choking. His parents rushed him out of the theater where they performed the Heimlich maneuver without success. "I was trying everything," his father, Eddie Riley, told the Daily News in Tuesday's editions. "I was trying to put my finger down his throat. I didn't feel anything." Police arrived shortly afterward and tried to clear the boy's mouth and perform CPR, but he was pronounced dead at Mercy Medical Center in Rockville Center. His body was taken to the Nassau University Medical Center morgue pending a medical examiner's report. (AP)
For all you movie theatre death lore fans out there, the Sunrise Multiplex was also the theatre that played host to a shooting death on Christmas Day 1990 when Godfather III opened, prompting the managers to install metal detectors.
And not that anyone cares but I was born in Mercy Medical Center (that should be Rockville Centre and not "Center" by the way) and used to live a couple of blocks away from Nassau University Medical Center. But like I said, no one cares so...
i'm actually about to be on my way for rockville centre. i just thought i'd check in the boards for a while. and this is the story i read. weeeeeird...
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..i thought this was good in an entertaining way .i liked the action and all the goo/slime and sh*t like that...and the temple maze was a cool idea....but this needed to be longer and rated R....... the only things that got one my nerves where when the lady said "you are one ugly motherfu" to the alien.that was kind of ghey...and i hated the fact that the predator teamed up with her to destroy the alien ...and that guy from trainspotting isnt good comic relief..........for the last time ATTN:filmakers:.."if you are doing a stupid action film like this one, instead of casting spud, cast dj qualls he is very stupid and he makes sh*t gel together".......
but this wasnt as good as the maltese falcon....
Second Alien Vs. Predator Coming
They're invading the real world this time.
It's confirmed: Alien Vs. Predator was successful enough to warrant a sequel. 20th Century Fox's Tom Rothman confirmed to Sci Fi Wire at the Saturn Awards that the studio is already planning AVP 2, following the success of the first one.
Rothman spilled some minor plot details on the crossover sequel, stating that it would not be set in a remote location like Antarctica (the locale of the first AVP) or space (like the Alien series). "In the new Alien Vs. Predator they will finally actually really come to our world."
Rothman also mentioned that the AVP sequel would also help to complete the bridge between the Alien and Predator film franchises.
There's no word yet on whether Paul W.S. Anderson (Soldier, Resident Evil) will return to direct the sequel. The British-born filmmaker currently has two other films on his plate.
Although the first Alien Vs. Predator picture wasn't among 2004's big successes, it did earn enough to recoup its $45 million budget and more. It's easy to see Fox pouring more money into the sequel, but it might have difficulty overcoming the negative image the first AVP received in the press; for example, only 22% of the reviews listed at Rotten Tomatoes were favorable, and IMDb visitors rated it an unimpressive 5.4 out of 10.
Strause brothers in 'AVP' fold
20th Century Fox has tapped Colin and Greg Strause to helm the sequel to the monster face-off "Alien vs. Predator." The project marks the feature film directing debut of the brothers, who run award-winning special effects house Hydraulx, which provided the trick shots for such Fox hits as "X-Men: The Last Stand," "Fantastic Four" and "The Day After Tomorrow." Greg Strause won a BAFTA Award for the effects work on "Tomorrow." The Strauses also have created a name for themselves in the world of commercials and music videos because of their distinctive brand of helming, which nabbed them a Visual Effects Society Award for the Will Smith video "Black Suits Comin'."
Usually these effects guys are total fanboys for the Alien and Predator franchises. If they get a good script (which I doubt) they may give the fans what they want and thensome. Since I'm a die-hard Alien and Predator fan (not so much after Alien Resurection, and AVP) a part of me really wants this movie to turn out well or at least better than AVP.
I have the feeling from the pedigrees of the directors that it's going to be a very good-looking mess, something along the lines of The Cell, or the first Resident Evil.
But who knows... maybe these guys will be the exception to the rule, and have a good sense of story and character to go along with their purty pictures. And maybe flying pigs will use my ass as a runway.
Quote from: polkablues on June 09, 2006, 06:42:28 PM
it's going to be a very good-looking mess
I believe thats dead on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFeAyJbFRyw&feature=player_embedded
alien vs ninja
That looks nuts and insanely gory.