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Film Discussion => Digital Streams & Criterion Dreams => Topic started by: aclockworkjj on June 07, 2003, 03:04:45 PM

Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on June 07, 2003, 03:04:45 PM
ANyone see it....the DVD is nothing special...but if you haven't seen this, check it out.  If you like Phil Hoffman.....I would probably rent it though....it's enjoyable, but slow at times....still worth seeing though....
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Ernie on June 07, 2003, 03:21:49 PM
I thought it was really bad and really depressing. There are some funny parts, not too many poignant ones...it's pretty one note. It's really a shame that Phil Hoffman had to have a debut like this. Kathy Bates was such a horrible character in the movie...that co worker of his too. He was alright but nothing compared to any of his great supporting roles.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on June 08, 2003, 08:30:02 AM
I kinda had a feeling I would be the only one who liked it....

He took the role cause his brother wrote it....
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Ghostboy on June 08, 2003, 01:33:54 PM
I liked it. It's not a great film, but it's a great performance, and I think the film would mainly be of interest to PSH fans. There's a lot going on in his performance, more than there is in the actual story, but you have to have a lot patience to find it. The best moments were his interactions with Kathy Bates; their different methods of dealing with grief were just fascinating, and the moment where Bates finally reads the letter is just devestating.

I was surprised the film won the screenwriting award at Sundance; it seemed mainly a vehicle for the performances to shine through.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: xerxes on June 08, 2003, 02:33:57 PM
i agree with you for the most part ghostboy, although i  can't really say that i liked the film, PSH's performance was really great though... the movie itself had its moments, but PSH really made it seem a lot better than it actually was.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: soixante on June 09, 2003, 12:33:44 AM
Just saw it.  Hoffman did a fine job, as usual.  Overall, the film was pretty good.  After seeing it, I now realize the dangers of sniffing gasoline.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: jasper_window on June 09, 2003, 07:53:39 AM
I think it's a bit underappreciated.  Reminds me of a 70's movie, and PSH is outstanding.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on June 09, 2003, 09:00:18 AM
I dunno, I am not saying it amazing or anything, but Phil is great in it....almost every line that came out of his mouth was great.  I liked the way the score worked with it as well....
Title: Love Liza
Post by: ksmc on June 09, 2003, 12:15:35 PM
I bought the DVD having not seen the film on the basis of the buzz surrounding PSH's performance, and I was not disappointed. I thought it was a very good film. The audio commentary on the disc is really amusing too.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: 82 on June 11, 2003, 01:38:58 AM
Quote from: ksmcI bought the DVD having not seen the film on the basis of the buzz surrounding PSH's performance, and I was not disappointed. I thought it was a very good film. The audio commentary on the disc is really amusing too.

I did the same.. I saw it was written by Gordy and that the movie was centered arround PSH.. so.. i picked it up.. Great movie.. and ofcourse PSH is wonderful as always..  

Listening to commentary now!
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Ghostboy on June 11, 2003, 01:57:17 AM
Off topic, but 82, I just want to compliment you on your avatar. I watched that video clip one morning last year and it ruined my whole day.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: children with angels on June 11, 2003, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: GhostboyOff topic, but 82, I just want to compliment you on your avatar. I watched that video clip one morning last year and it ruined my whole day.

Someone else has said that - what is the clip? Is it someone killing themselves on film or something...?
Title: Love Liza
Post by: edison on June 11, 2003, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: children with angels
Quote from: GhostboyOff topic, but 82, I just want to compliment you on your avatar. I watched that video clip one morning last year and it ruined my whole day.

Someone else has said that - what is the clip? Is it someone killing themselves on film or something...?


that is correct, ive seen different versions of it, some in color and some in black and white, and also from different view points, and no i dont search the net looking for suicide videos, some guys had it on my dorm floor last semester.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Pubrick on June 11, 2003, 12:16:18 PM
on avs:

more of this
(https://xixax.com/images/avatars/12236341863ee3ee3661457.jpg)

less of this
(https://xixax.com/images/avatars/5221490953ea941a57fd4a.jpg)
Title: Love Liza
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on June 11, 2003, 12:19:27 PM
i am all for more girl ass, at this point could someone post a pic of kylie mynoes ass because i would if i knew how to post pics in my posts
Title: Love Liza
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on June 11, 2003, 12:20:51 PM
the pic is bud dyer, he was this local politician from penn who shot himself on tv, those guys from filter say that  " hey man nice shot" is about him, but its very easy to see the lyrics are about kurt cobian
Title: Love Liza
Post by: 82 on June 11, 2003, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesthe pic is bud dyer, he was this local politician from penn who shot himself on tv, those guys from filter say that  " hey man nice shot" is about him, but its very easy to see the lyrics are about kurt cobian

bud dwyer
Title: Love Liza
Post by: modage on June 11, 2003, 02:09:20 PM
kurt cobains been fucking SHOT!?!?! :shock:
Title: Love Liza
Post by: edison on June 11, 2003, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: themodernage02kurt cobains been fucking SHOT!?!?! :shock:


by who?
Title: Love Liza
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on June 11, 2003, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: themodernage02kurt cobains been fucking SHOT!?!?! :shock:


OHHHHH NO
Title: Love Liza
Post by: phil marlowe on June 11, 2003, 04:41:01 PM
frank black bodyslammed him at the local wrestling club. after that a wasted ringo starr shot kurts dead body accidently as he was hunting ducks nearby. it's so unfair i think.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on June 12, 2003, 03:02:20 PM
glad to see this stayed on the topic...
Title: Love Liza
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on June 12, 2003, 03:17:17 PM
I haven't been on this board for very long and I've noticed that trend.   It does give you a bunch of extra information, though!

Back to the more pictures of female ass.... (http://www.az-hotties.com/afs/galleries/hatiff/hatiff-001.jpg)

Admin edit for content.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on June 12, 2003, 03:28:20 PM
Sorry Admin, didn't realize the inappropriateness...

I can only say that if you want more pics of ass, AlguienEstolamiPantalones, click that link and be not let down.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on June 12, 2003, 03:55:09 PM
not another one.... :?
Title: Love Liza
Post by: modage on June 12, 2003, 03:58:18 PM
yeah, lets keep all porn and pseudoporn off these boards (unless it pertains to THE BROWN BUNNY.  :lol: )
Title: Love Liza
Post by: godardian on June 13, 2003, 06:27:29 PM
Rented this. I wasn't expecting much, but I did really like it. Hoffman is wonderful. I liked the story; not groundbreaking, but very nicely done and charming in its way.

My only complaint, oddly enough, is the music. Or rather, the use of it; I thought it was a distraction to use songs with lyrics in this case. Nothing wrong with the songs, but a nice instrumental score would've enhanced the tone of the film much better.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: 82 on June 14, 2003, 03:04:32 AM
Quote from: godardianRented this. I wasn't expecting much, but I did really like it. Hoffman is wonderful. I liked the story; not groundbreaking, but very nicely done and charming in its way.

My only complaint, oddly enough, is the music. Or rather, the use of it; I thought it was a distraction to use songs with lyrics in this case. Nothing wrong with the songs, but a nice instrumental score would've enhanced the tone of the film much better.

Yeah.. I thought the lyrics were a distraction...  the instrumentation only would have been prefered...
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on June 28, 2003, 10:41:02 AM
I don't know why exactly, but I have been watching this a lot lately....like to the point where I can't get sick of it....PSH rules, plain and simple.

"Well, FUCK YOUR SORRY'S!!"
"We're not in a motel anymore Danny!!!"
Title: Love Liza
Post by: lamas on June 28, 2003, 03:24:30 PM
I really didn't like this as much as I thought I would.  I thought the story really dragged and was very uninteresting.  I liked Hoffman's performance though and thought the opening scenes were the best.  I guess I think having Hoffman's character turn to huffing was a bit of a cop-out and that he and Bates' relationship should've been explored more.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Keener on July 10, 2003, 02:55:52 AM
I really, really loved this movie. Thanks to aclockworkjj for mentioning it. When I saw it at Hollywood I remembered seeing the topic about it from some time back and picked it up. A real treat. Sorry to see a great deal of you here didn't enjoy it.

I only rehash this topic to find out soundtrack details. Can anyone help ? I love all the songs in this movie.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: MacGuffin on July 10, 2003, 03:02:21 AM
Quote from: KeenerI only rehash this topic to find out soundtrack details. Can anyone help ? I love all the songs in this movie.

http://us.imdb.com/Soundtracks?0282698
Title: Love Liza
Post by: jokerspath on July 10, 2003, 08:06:37 AM
Just hearing the title of this movie or seeing the cover makes me feel lightheaded, obviously because of his gashuffing addiction...

Once, I went to the dentist and got gas for like the first time, so I was sucking it in really hard, and I hallucinated that I saw Number Munchers on the ceiling.  I can't think of the dentist (let alone type this) without feeling sick and dizzy...

aw
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Sleuth on July 10, 2003, 08:08:46 AM
Are you lying
Title: Love Liza
Post by: jokerspath on July 10, 2003, 08:09:28 AM
Quote from: tremoloslothAre you lying

Not in the least.  I just had to get a drink of water to get my head straight...

aw
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Keener on July 10, 2003, 11:09:01 PM
I've never seen that feature on IMDb. Thanks a bunch !
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Mesh on July 15, 2003, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: KeenerI only rehash this topic to find out soundtrack details. Can anyone help ? I love all the songs in this movie.

Go buy this:

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.allmusic.com%2F00%2Famg%2Fcov200%2Fdrd400%2Fd481%2Fd4815736a41.jpg&hash=08ebd2083cdc3fd6d64d64f18a4e5f4f87ea3144)

Jim O'Rourke - Eureka

If you like that, lemme know and I'll point you toward more excellent O'Rourke music.....
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Mesh on July 15, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: ebeamanIt's really a shame that Phil Hoffman had to have a debut like this.

Wait, what?
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Mesh on July 15, 2003, 02:48:13 PM
I'm here to agree with the general consensus about Love Liza.  It was OK at best.  Way to much gas huffing, not enough back story, intriguing characters, etc.  PSH was good, as always, but he didn't have a ton of character to work with: "Depressed gas-huffer who experiences short bouts of insanity"....that was about it.  I also agree that the O'Rourke music worked very, very well except when it had lyrics.  The whole "girl at work likes Wilson" sub-sub-plot was weak.

Thing I'll remember most about the movie:  The scene where Wilson, sitting slumped over in the darkened hallway, rants at his friend for coming in uninvited.

Hey!  Was anyone else totally remined of About Schmidt?  They were, like, the same movie, except one had lots more gas-huffing and RC planes.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: Keener on July 16, 2003, 09:30:26 PM
Ah, screw you all. I loved the movie.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 16, 2003, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: KeenerAh, screw you all. I loved the movie.

Rock on Keener.  I thought it was a very moving portrait on grief, something you don't get from Hollywood nowadays.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: godardian on July 17, 2003, 12:45:53 AM
Quote from: Ghoulardi Goon
Quote from: KeenerAh, screw you all. I loved the movie.

Rock on Keener.  I thought it was a very moving portrait on grief, something you don't get from Hollywood nowadays.

That's probably a too-easy generalization about Hollywood (The Moonlight Mile surprised), but I will say I enjoyed it quite a bit more than Mesh did. It's strange- I didn't mind the music at all, it wasn't bad or anything, but I felt the movie would've done better with a more spare instrumental soundtrack or really nothing at all. I didn't feel it was a great fit.
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on July 17, 2003, 03:09:24 AM
Quote from: MeshGo buy this:

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.allmusic.com%2F00%2Famg%2Fcov200%2Fdrd400%2Fd481%2Fd4815736a41.jpg&hash=08ebd2083cdc3fd6d64d64f18a4e5f4f87ea3144)

Jim O'Rourke - Eureka

If you like that, lemme know and I'll point you toward more excellent O'Rourke music.....

I wouldn't mind hearing more....
Title: Love Liza
Post by: aclockworkjj on August 12, 2003, 09:09:00 AM
this is Imdb.com's movie of the day.....here is what they say about it.

IMDb Movie of the Day
The debut feature from actor-turned-director Todd Luiso, Love Liza is an odd but potent mix of pain, grief, frustration and even laughter. Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman as Wilson, a man recently widowed following the completely unexpected suicide of his wife, Liza. Faced with the quiet mass of crushing emotions tied to her death, Wilson's grief is initially tempered by the detached, vague kindness of those around him, including the distant concern of his mother-in-law Mary Ann (Kathy Bates), his well-intentioned client Tom Bailey (Stephen Tobolowsky), and even his very concerned boss Maura (Sarah Koskoff) and her quirky brother Denny (Jack Kehler). Wilson struggles with his emotions, becoming increasingly dependent on the respite offered by huffing gasoline fumes to avoid opening the suicide note that his wife left him, for fear of what he might find, or how he might have failed her. Even his brief foray into the world of model planes, a hobby he stumbled into rather than chose, only serves as a simple, pleasurable escape for so long, before the reality of his life barges back in and the debate over opening his wife's letter begins to weigh on his mind again. While Hoffman's mostly silent, all-consuming depictions of Wilson's grief are exquisitely overpowering and could easily be the sole focus of the film, screenwriter Gordy Hoffman's script twists the film's focus a bit, to examine how the helpful intentions of others in such a situation can actually make the despair more acute and almost claustrophobically inescapable, aiding rather than calming the erratic behavior of the grieving.