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I want the same look KIDS has... on my next short film...
I need to find out what kind of camera,lenses,ect were used.


Im 99% sure the movie was shot on DV.


chris

nope, 35mm film

did you know that disny made it, what does shiny excaliber mean ?

Cough cough Fantasia cough !!!!!!

Quote from: cecil b. dementednope, 35mm film

That's what IMDB says. I suppose the "grainy," handheld look it has could possibly trick some eyes into thinking it was DV, but DV is actually more blurry than grainy, from what I've seen.

Julien Donkey-Boy was shot on DV... maybe that's what's confusing you, Cow-Moo?

I need more proof then what IMDB says. I need some more info on this, I've been searching but no look. Im still not convinced its 35 mill.



thanks

chris

well imdb could be wrong but i doubt it. it might be 16mm but im positive it isnt dv.

is this short of yours for school?

Quotewell imdb could be wrong but i doubt it. it might be 16mm but im positive it isnt dv.

is this short of yours for school?

No this short is not for school.


chris

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QuoteWhat was the movie KIDS shot on?

Er... lot of dope?

HAAA hee hee heee

It was definitely shot on film.

Quote from: SalIt was definitely shot on film.

that's true.

could be 16mm, but it was probably a particular type of 35mm.

no one shot on DV back then.

'Kids'. That movie felt so real. Like cameras were hidden everywhere, following these little demons, catching all their bullshit talk, their acts of violence, rape etc. I dont think I'm alone in saying that I wanted to put one between the eyes of the main kid, Telley (who I caught recently as Selma Blair's handicapped boyfriend in 'Storytelling').

Though I wouldn't exactly say that I enjoyed 'Kids', I want to see Clarke's latest 'Bully'.

Quote from: oakmanc234'Kids'. That movie felt so real. Like cameras were hidden everywhere, following these little demons, catching all their bullshit talk, their acts of violence, rape etc. I dont think I'm alone in saying that I wanted to put one between the eyes of the main kid, Telley (who I caught recently as Selma Blair's handicapped boyfriend in 'Storytelling').

Though I wouldn't exactly say that I enjoyed 'Kids', I want to see Clarke's latest 'Bully'.

I think Bully is a terrible film and by far the worst of Clark's work. I'd recommend Another Day in Paradise before I'd recommend Bully.

35 mm.  i thought bully was a terrific film.

Bully mystifies me. I was shocked by how much it bored me.  That laden with sex, violence, and sleaze, yet still un-entertaining.

That's pretty much Clark in a nutshell.

well.

Quote from: SoNowThenThat's pretty much Clark in a nutshell.

clarke is a dirty old man useing art to protect and feed his libido

its kind of weird really , harmony at least is from this world even though he is mentally detached from it

but at least at the time of kids he was infact the same age as the kids in the movie and he hung around people like them

larry is a photographer

some of the most fucked up people are photographers, they hate it when the people they shoot have independent thoughts

they say they want reality but in the end they want the pic to reflect what they have in their head

the heroin chic thing was created by photographers, turning girls into zombies just so the brain wont work but the body is there

so its not a pure artform

Quote from: pookiethecatBully mystifies me. I was shocked by how much it bored me.  That laden with sex, violence, and sleaze, yet still un-entertaining.

Yeah, the acting was just awful, I thought, and the subject seemed very well-traveled- to the point of cliche- even within Clark's own body of work.

Godardian: "Yeah, the acting was just awful, I thought"

hehe yes.  bijou phillips made me cringe.  "that fucker just raped me!" ...it's almost funny it's so ridiculous...

Quote from: pookiethecatbijou phillips made me cringe.  "that fucker just raped me!" ...it's almsot funny it's so ridiculous

as shallow as she is in the movie, she is more shallow in real life

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Quote from: pookiethecatbijou phillips made me cringe.  "that fucker just raped me!" ...it's almsot funny it's so ridiculous

as shallow as she is in the movie, she is more shallow in real life

i'll never forget when howard stern had sean lennon on and was grilling him about dating bijou phillips. good times... :lol:

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Quote from: mogwai

QuoteWhat was the movie KIDS shot on?

Er... lot of dope?

HAAA hee hee heee

I was gonna say toilet paper, but that'd work, too.  ;)

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Quote from: mogwai

QuoteWhat was the movie KIDS shot on?

Er... lot of dope?

HAAA hee hee heee

I was gonna say toilet paper, but that'd work, too.  ;)

what the hell ?

Ken Park: The Australian Office of Film & Literature Classification has effectivey banned the controversial new Larry Clark film from distribution of any kind in Australia by giving it an RC (Refused Classification) rating. The film follows four dysfunctional teens in suburban California and contains several scenes of underage teens engaged in pretty graphic sexual activity - graphic enough that "In the Classification Board’s view, this film deals with matters of sex in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults to the extent that it should be refused classification". What makes this even more idiotic is the fact that the 'release it unrated' option doesn't exist in this country. Unlike other major Western countries such as the US where certain films are released in cinemas and on video/DVD without a rating or classification, by law everything released here including films, videos and computer games have to be given a rating otherwise they don't get released. Ironically in giving the film an RC classification, the attention drawn to the film is now higher than it ever would have been had an R-18 been handed out. As a result of the ban, the organisers of the Sydney Film Festival have been forced to remove the film from its slate.

Quote from: pookiethecatBully mystifies me. I was shocked by how much it bored me.  That laden with sex, violence, and sleaze, yet still un-entertaining.

Really though, same with Kids. I feel this way about all of Clark's films. He's just a no-talent perve...that's all I can say for the guy.

well i love his movies. even teenage caveman. another day was okay

Quote from: cecil b. dementedwell i love his movies. even teenage caveman. another day was okay

what did you specifically like about bully?

*just trying to tap into the mindset*

well i thought it was hilarious. its dark, misanthropic, vulgar.... this makes me laugh, cheers me up.

Quote from: cecil b. dementedwell i thought it was hilarious. its dark, misanthropic, vulgar.... this makes me laugh, cheers me up.[/quote

dark is the easiest emotion to show

and its also the easiest emotion to exploit

if you have no talent just be dark and moody and people will interprit this as geniouse

remember in singles that part tim burton played, he was dark and moody and well he had no talent

and lets not even get into that girl who claimed she was a huge fan scorsesse yet she couldnt prounounce his name, rather godardian if you ask me

Of Clark's films I've only seen Kids and for some reason I really like it too. I find it pretty addictive, and actually pretty fun. There's something weirdly appealing about the depravity and bleakness of that kind of film. I also respect how it's really easy to watch, almost too easy, like it just glides by you. You can imagine the kids it depicts really digging it - and i find that interesting. Like they might sit around half-watching it, getting stoned, in the same way they sit around half-watching that video of the skaterboarders.
I like the use of music too (the Folk Implosion stuff is superb).
It's certainly not a subtle movie, but there are a few subtle, pretty beautiful, moments like a slightly lingering shot on a little toddler throwing away a piece of fruit, or the Chloe Sevigny conversation with the taxi driver - the sunlight in that scene.

Quote from: children with angelsOf Clark's films I've only seen Kids and for some reason I really like it too. I find it pretty addictive, and actually pretty fun. There's something weirdly appealing about the depravity and bleakness of that kind of film. I also respect how it's really easy to watch, almost too easy, like it just glides by you. You can imagine the kids it depicts really digging it - and i find that interesting. Like they might sit around half-watching it, getting stoned, in the same way they sit around half-watching that video of the skaterboarders.
I like the use of music too (the Folk Implosion stuff is superb).
It's certainly not a subtle movie, but there are a few subtle, pretty beautiful, moments like a slightly lingering shot on a little toddler throwing away a piece of fruit, or the Chloe Sevigny conversation with the taxi driver - the sunlight in that scene.

I haven't seen Kids, so I won't rush to judge all of Clark's work..but childrenwithangels' description of Kids seems to exactly reflect my feelings towards Bully..,whcih I absolutely hated.  I've seen it several times and it acheives a kind of dubious grandeur in my mind.  I classify it as one of the worst movies I've ever seen.  

I think you have a point about the gliding/ easy-to-watch aspect of the movie.  But I found that to be a product of bad directing...formless and uncinematic.  These characters were doing things and I don't think Clark had a vision as to why they were or what direction it was taking them...there was no significance to the day to day lives of these characters...it arrives at no conclusion and exists just to exist...like a document of debauchery.  That's not storytelling.  

I'm quite interested in what Clark supporters have to say though.  There has to be some appeal.  But what is that appeal based in other than simple voyeurism?

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Quote from: pookiethecatBully mystifies me. I was shocked by how much it bored me.  That laden with sex, violence, and sleaze, yet still un-entertaining.

Really though, same with Kids. I feel this way about all of Clark's films. He's just a no-talent perve...that's all I can say for the guy.

i feal the same way i cannot stand all of his movies

i seen more zest/energy  behind the camera on a random episode of ALF than his work :sleeping:

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I feal the same way i cannot stand all of his movies

i seen more zest/energy  behind the camera on a random episode of ALF than his work :sleeping:

I know, right? There's no truth or honesty to any of it either. It's all so staged yet it's said to be soooooo real. Everything happens right in a row, one after the other...it's fucking stupid. The guy doesn't even care. This is how I think clark sets up each shot....

CLARK (looking over the next shot set up mumuring to himself)

Which angle? Which angle? Hmmm....

(long pause...he squints in deep thought)

CLARK

Ah, fuck it, let's just handhold this mother and try to get a shot or three of her tits, k? Yeah...that, that looks good...yeah....just throw away that tripod. She gets raped, her parents divorce, and her boyfriend comes out of the closet in the next couple scenes...I think we can handhold all those too, right? Yeah, that should be great. The only dolly I wanna see on this set is the one my lead actress is playin' with...got that?

I don't like Another Day in Paradise, but I do like Kids and Bully. He does seem like kind of an old perv, but what's he gonna do, stay home and do nothing? I say let the man do whatever he wants, if you don't like his films then just stay away from his future releases.

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CLARK (looking over the next shot set up mumuring to himself)

Which angle? Which angle? Hmmm....

(long pause...he squints in deep thought)

CLARK

Ah, fuck it, let's just handhold this mother and try to get a shot or three of her tits, k? Yeah...that, that looks good...yeah....just throw away that tripod. She gets raped, her parents divorce, and her boyfriend comes out of the closet in the next couple scenes...I think we can handhold all those too, right? Yeah, that should be great. The only dolly I wanna see on this set is the one my lead actress is playin' with...got that?

:lol:  That was really funny, man - I don't agree but theat made me laugh!

Like I say, I can't really explain too well what I like about Kids, except for what I've already said. But what you were saying about storytelling, Pookie, might be true for Bully but it's certainly not true for Kids - there's a very strong narrative drive in that movie. So much so that it's almost cheesy at times actually.

And, Ebeaman: I know what you mean about some of it feeling fake, but a lot of the dialogue really feels very real: I totally believe in Telly and Casper in that movie. However, it does swing back and forth a little between the very real and the very fake.

Also I do stand by the fact that I find the way it's shot really quite beautiful. I think that's probably what holds the appeal for me actually, rather than character or story: it's more an aesthetic pleasure I get from watching the movie... The look, the sounds. Like I say I find it very easy to watch. I don't really think of it as voyeurism, I just think of it as Clark telling an updated version of what his youth was like. He was a pretty fucked up kid apparently: I think these movies really do mean a lot to him. He might be out to shock a little, but mainly I think he's just getting stuff off his chest, as most filmmakers are.

I feel that  he is trying to shock people just for the sake of shock value-nothing more-there is no "art" to the shocking parts of this film.  He(Kids)  gives a bad name to anyone who wants to shock someone for a "artistic" merit/meaning/point.  I am sure some can name others but I find Mr. Lynch's films shocking but i do not feel cheated by his films and "the means justify the cause" or Aronofsky as another example(i.e. the last 5 or so mins. of RFAD)-that is shocking but not shocking just for the sake of sock value.

Lynch=   :shock:
Aronofsky= :shock:
Clark= :silly:  :sleeping:  :roll:

Quote from: EL__SCORCHOI don't like Another Day in Paradise, but I do like Kids and Bully. He does seem like kind of an old perv, but what's he gonna do, stay home and do nothing? I say let the man do whatever he wants, if you don't like his films then just stay away from his future releases.

I actually think I like Paradise the best of all of his. I really despise Bully.

Pookie, you should give Kids a chance. I guess it is sort of like Bully in a way, but without the flop-sweat, which makes all the difference in this case.