anyone care to talk about the upcoming movie big fish?
To be honest I actually now regret starting this thread. Big Fish is probably going to be dissapointing. The last time Burton handled such a great cast, he made Mars Attacks!
To give credit where credit is due though, it's not like he was working from great material. Warner Brothers ordered burnt Chicken McNuggets, and got burnt Chicken McNuggets.
I'm looking forward to this. I think one of Burton's major problems seems to be in the scripts he chooses. I'm hoping that because it was based on a book it might be a step up for him. Has anyone read the book? I'm a little concerned, though, because the guy adapting it also wrote Charlie's Angels.
But Mars Attacks was GREAT!
Quote from: GhostboyBut Mars Attacks was GREAT!
Thank you
Quote from: RegularKarateQuote from: GhostboyBut Mars Attacks was GREAT!
Thank you
i agree as well
Yep. Mars Attacks! was just dissapointing to those who were expecting a serious big alien adventure. I think where Burton really floundered was with Planet of the Apes. Where was his signature on that one? I see Big Fish as a return to his original form, and I've heard the script was downright phenomenal. I've also read the book, and am eager to see its adaptation to the big screen.
I watched Ed Wood today, hopefully this will be more like it than like say... Planet of the Apes
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: RegularKarateQuote from: GhostboyBut Mars Attacks was GREAT!
Thank you
i agree as well
i too agree with said quote.
Now I feel like a prick saying that Mars Attacks! is trash.. what can I do about it? I'm not going to go back and edit my post, because that'll make me look even worst.
It's all good! What don't you like about the film, though?
I think it's a brilliant 'fuck you' to the Hollywood blockbuster machine. It takes all the cliches of something like 'Independence Day' and just twists them to an absurd level. I mean, aside from the ending, it's completely anti-humanity! How great is that?
Mars Attacks is BRILLIANT
I don't know, kind of a waste of talent. Burton could have assembled that cast and budget for a good script instead of Mars Attacks!
If it's half as good as Edward Scissorhands, I'll be fucking happy. That movie is too good. He needs to do something that's really dark like that again.
And yes, Planet of the Apes sucked...if it's anything like that, I'll wait for a rental.
Mars Attacks is a comedy though, it doesn't take itself seriously like that Monkey Movie (which I initially liked, but now I don't like it because it would make me look like a naive prick).
what's the story for big fish? who's in it and what's it about (briefly, i don't want it to be ruined by spoilers!).
Off the top of my head, it's about a man learning about the crazy adventures of his father, who is on his death bed. I think it'll probably all be told in flashback with Ewan McGregor playing the young dad, and Albert Finney playing the dying dad. Billy Crudup is going to portray the son. I think we'll get some crazy Burton visuals with over the top sub-stories, but who knows? This could be one of Tim's best!
Hell, this response took me a few minutes to type up.. I bet MacGuffin will have already responded by the time I posted.. It'll make me look like a huge horse's ass, not to mention nerd for knowing all about Big Fish. Damn (having a flashback towards those old High School days). Hold on, mind if I get some orange soda to ease this stress?
I remember at one point, Spielberg was attached to the project (what a coincidence.. as I'm typing this response, I'm looking at the Schindler's List banner up top.. When I wrote the Burton response, it was the Ed Wood banner). I can understand why, as Big Fish has a big father-son core.
Expanding on Mr. Burger's synopsis:
Cast: Billy Crudup (William Bloom), Ewan McGregor (Young Edward Bloom), Albert Finney (Old Edward Bloom), Helena Bonham-Carter, Steve Buscemi (Norther Winslow), David Denman, Danny DeVito, Jessica Lange, Alison Lohman.
Premise: William Bloom (Crudup) tries to learn more about his dying father, Edward (Finney), by piecing together the facts out of the various fantastic tales and legends of epic proportions he's been told over the years (with McGregor playing the young version of Edward in these "retellings" of his stories). Edward was a travelling salesman, often far from home, and it's those journeys throughout the South that are the seed of his son's tales. There are four separate tales told, each fantastic and wild, of Edward's life, with each ending then with him at his deathbed, as William tries to understand his father's great deeds, and failures. The titles of the legends (in the book) are "In Which He Speaks to Animals," "How He Tamed the Giant," "How He Saved My Life," and "His Immortality." Oh, and as you might guess from the title, one of them has a giant fish. (Lange plays Edward's wife)
taz can't wait.
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Zanuck says he's hooked on 'Big Fish'
USA TODAY
Big Fish is a movie about tall tales and an Alabama man (played by Ewan McGregor and Albert Finney) who tells them. But producer Richard D. Zanuck swears he's not telling fish stories when he ranks the movie higher than any he has previously produced (including the Oscar-winning The Sting or Driving Miss Daisy) or that he oversaw when he ran 20th Century Fox (including The Sound of Music, M*A*S*H, The French Connection and Patton).
"This is at the top of the list," says Zanuck of Big Fish, an all-star movie directed by Tim Burton and featuring Jessica Lange, Billy Crudup, Helena Bonham Carter, Steve Buscemi, Danny DeVito and Allison Lohman. "Certainly not since Driving have I ever had such a good, positive feeling."
Columbia Pictures' faith in the film is borne out by their decision to release Big Fish for the highly competitive Thanksgiving weekend, up against Eddie Murphy's The Haunted Mansion and the second week of The Cat in the Hat with Mike Myers.
"But we're not in it for the weekend," says Zanuck, who believes he has an Oscar contender on his hands. "We're in it for the long haul. I feel in my heart that this is a marvelous film."
That is an incredible image. Since Cat In The Hat looks like utter despicable crap and Haunted Mansion looks fairly standard, I have hopes that Big Fish will emerge triumphant.
Interesting trivia: Cat In The Hat is directed by Burton's former production designer...and, um...Haunted Mansion uses Danny Elfman music during the first half of the trailer.
Whoo! Hope the trailer comes mighty quick...
yeah i had no idea this was gonna be complete in time for release this year. i figured if they didnt have a date for it, it wasnt coming till early next year at the earliest. this is pretty incredible if it does come out in a few months, but they had better get on them trailers and posters and shit. cause aint nobody but us geeks heard of it till now.
HOLY AWESOME
Tim Burton's "Big Fish" is set to get a release this Thanksgiving (Nov. 26th) in the US, going against "The Haunted Mansion".
Uh oh, themodernage...OLD NEWS alert!
but is it OFFICIAL?
No doubt, no doubt. It looks rather repellant, in just about every possible way.
I wanna see it just to see what Billy Crudup can do besides being Russel Hammond, from Almost Famous. I know he's done other stuff, but nothing as notable as being in a Cameron Crowe movie.
From Entertainment Weekly:
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Always at home with grotesques, Tim Burton unveils a whole gallery of them in his take on Daniel Wallace's Southern-fried novel ''Big Fish,'' as adapted by ''Charlie's Angels'' scribe August (who also wrote ''Go''). The colorful characters include a witchy swamp woman played by Helena Bonham Carter (with whom Burton will have a child in September), a P.T. Barnum-esque circus ringmaster (Danny DeVito), and a sheep-eating giant (the 7-foot-4-inch Matthew McGrory).
They're all tall-tale figments in the mind of a salesman (Albert Finney) dying of cancer in Alabama. His journalist son (Billy Crudup) grudgingly returns home and tries to cope with listening, one last time, to a passel of outlandish stories that have always embarrassed and confused him, since they obscure the facts of his father's life. Says Ewan McGregor, who plays the Finney character's hale, imagined younger self in flashbacks, ''I think it will be quite upsetting for people who've lost their parents and didn't rectify with them.'' (Cast and crew were struck by McGregor's resemblance to Finney in his mid-1960s prime.)
McGregor relished trading in the blue-screen-dominated, fencing-with-empty-air sort of work he's had to do in the ''Star Wars'' films for trickery accomplished mainly with sets and makeup. ''It's not satisfying to be in an empty blue space,'' he says. ''Yes, you can lay in all the effects afterwards, but it's very boring and it's very expensive.''
Finney, meanwhile, had a fine time discovering Burton's affection for actors. ''I didn't know him before this,'' he says. ''He's very solicitous that you feel happy with each shot.'' As for the director's idiosyncratic methods, Finney offers praise with a hint of puzzlement. ''His imagination and his thought processes skip about constantly,'' he says. ''It's hard to, as it were, sit him in a chair and say, 'What do you mean?' He gets to it by being here, there, and everywhere, and he gradually gets to what he wants. I suppose it's by elimination in some way.''
Quote from: MrBurgerKingI don't know, kind of a waste of talent. Burton could have assembled that cast and budget for a good script instead of Mars Attacks!
But dude, the movie was fucking hilarious! Sure it was cheese in alot of parts, but it was
fun!
Tim Burton's Big Fish Pushed Back
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
Director Tim Burton's Big Fish, about a man coming to terms with his dying father, is being held back from wide release by two months to give the marketing campaign more time.
The film had originally been set for a wide release November 26 to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday, but Sony Pictures now plans a platform release in New York, Los Angeles and Toronto beginning December 18. It will eventually go into wide release in 2,500 theaters January 23.
Because the film bows on a Thursday, it will be sandwiched between the scheduled December 17 opening of New Line The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King the day before and Mona Lisa Smile the day after.
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Source: The Hollywood Reporter
Director Tim Burton's Big Fish, about a man coming to terms with his dying father, is being held back from wide release by two months to give the marketing campaign more time.
The film had originally been set for a wide release November 26 to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday, but Sony Pictures now plans a platform release in New York, Los Angeles and Toronto beginning December 18. It will eventually go into wide release in 2,500 theaters January 23.
Because the film bows on a Thursday, it will be sandwiched between the scheduled December 17 opening of New Line The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King the day before and Mona Lisa Smile the day after.
it's adaptation and punch drunk love all over again. GOOD JOB, SONY!
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Source: The Hollywood Reporter
Director Tim Burton's Big Fish, about a man coming to terms with his dying father, is being held back from wide release by two months to give the marketing campaign more time.
The film had originally been set for a wide release November 26 to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday, but Sony Pictures now plans a platform release in New York, Los Angeles and Toronto beginning December 18. It will eventually go into wide release in 2,500 theaters January 23.
Because the film bows on a Thursday, it will be sandwiched between the scheduled December 17 opening of New Line The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King the day before and Mona Lisa Smile the day after.
it's adaptation and punch drunk love all over again. GOOD JOB, SONY!
That's exactly what I thought, it seems that sometimes the studios tend to make the same mistakes; I wonder if Burton is still working on the film, there are still some weak dates to come, e.g. sep/26, oct/3, oct/31 and the original release date.
bigger poster...
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no squinting neccessary
Slight adjustment to Big Fish's release dates. They are now December 10th in LA/NY, December 19th in select cities and January 23rd, 2004 in wide release.
some BIG FISH production photos...
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oh my...........
Where's the trailer at!
Some one put me out of my misery and tell me where it's at!
This looks SOOO good I can't believe it.
Great pics, i want to see some footage!!!
too bad it's getting BURIED!!!!!
AAAH! IT MAKES ME SO MAD!
Fuck!!!!!! This movie will be just GREAT. GREEEEEEEEAT.
Sorry, but after taking a look at the production pics...... damn..... Tim Burton's return to high form is close and I just can't wait to see it.
For some reason, I think the uniqueness in the imagery is what will mainly be on display for this film. Typical Burton. I really don't care for him as a director.
~rougerum
Trailer is now online:
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Lo-Res (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/bigfish/video/trailer/trailer_low.asx)
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Hi-Res (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/bigfish/video/trailer/trailer_high.ram)
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*tries to wait patiently for Quicktime version.
I don't like "from the imagination of Tim Burton"
Quote from: tremoloslothI don't like "from the imagination of Tim Burton"
Yea, I haven't watched the trailer but I can already hear it in my head. I'm a Burton fanboy and I don't even like it.
the trailer seems a little sappy actually. a little too sweet, like tugging on the heartstrings and all. but i have faith. it will still rule. the people that cut the trailers suck balls.
Quote from: themodernage02the trailer seems a little sappy actually. a little too sweet, like tugging on the heartstrings and all. but i have faith. it will still rule. the people that cut the trailers suck balls.
Yeah, I didn't want to say anything because I was tired when I saw it, so maybe I had imagined it being like that, but no
Quote from: themodernage02the people that cut the trailers suck balls.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Quote from: Ghostboy*tries to wait patiently for Quicktime version.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/big_fish/
quicktime, full screen, and downloadable versions all available
although anyone under 13 might want to consult a parent because the movie will contain "a fight sequence, some images of nudity, and a suggestive reference."
I thought it was a pretty good trailer. Some of the imagery looks incredible (especially those Japanese Siamese twins), and I suspect this will be the first Burton film since Ed Wood within which can be detected a palpable heartbeat. I can't wait to see it.
Pearl Jam has written a new song for the upcoming Tim Burton film "Big Fish," which opens Dec. 10 in select U.S. cities and Jan. 23 in wider release.
The cut, "Man of the Hour," was debuted earlier this week at an acoustic benefit concert in Seattle. At deadline, it is unclear whether the song will appear on the Sony soundtrack, due Dec. 9, only in the film itself or both.
The album will feature a score by frequent Burton collaborator Danny Elfman and a host of era-spanning tracks to be determined, according to a label spokesperson.
Thanks to a Pearl Jam fansite by the name "The Jamily." You can now hear the actual bootleg track from the recent concert here. (http://www.the-jamily.host.sk/bena.htm)
To hear Eddie Veder's intro, Download - PJ_Bena_Intro_Man_Of_The_Hour.mp3
To hear the new song, Download - PJ_Bena_MOTH.mp3
I just got back from seeing this. First of all, I just want to say that I wish Burton would stop using Phillip Rousselot (sp) as a DP. But that's just personal preference.
You can definitely sense that Tim Burton is trying to grow as a director...he's stepping outside his usual areas of expertise, for the most part. There is a lot of visual whimsy and surreal material, but an equal or greater part of the movie is dedicated to the characters and their relationships. Some of it is hit and miss, some of it is wonderful...it's all good but not great, up until the last twenty minutes, when suddenly Burton delivers everything you might have hoped he would with this kind of film. I was unprepared for it. I haven't cried this hard in a long, long time time, in or out of a theater. I felt kind of embarassed, actually.
I have a feeling this one will do pretty well, financially, especially with families. Also, Albert Finney will probably get an Oscar nomination for this. It's one of those great career capping performances.
Burton's always talked about his love of Fellini, and I sensed that more in this film than in any others he's done. Especially at the end. I wasn't sure how personal the story was to him, until the producer of the film mentioned afterward that both of Burton's parents died shortly before he signed onto the project. Which means it was very, very personal. The circus and Siamese Twins sequence made me hope that, following Willy Wonka, he finally gets Geek Love off the ground.
Verdict? SUCCESS!
Great... I'm really looking forward to this... its weird that I havent seen the trailer in the theatres yet...
official site is up...
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/bigfish/site/
Comingsoon.net posted up some clips
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/b/bigfish.php
for some reason right out from under our noses big fish's WIDE release date on CHRISTMAS!!!! Dec. 25th!!! has now been quietly moved back to JANUARY FUCKING 9th. i am so insanely jealous of ghostboy who saw this early november that i want to shit my pants. nothing makes me more angry than a fucking exclusive engagement in NY and LA for two fucking months like they're the only two cities on the planet. if i'da known it wasnt going to open up in mid/early december like originally scheduled like a week after the ny/la date, i'd have driven to nyc to see the fucking thing a month ago. i hope this fucking bullshit plan blows up in their faces. i havent heard shit for buzz on this film (besides the nerd community like myself) and no one else seems to give two shits about it. i hope this movie squeaks out into a wide release and it makes 2 dollars and wins 0 awards. fuck sony and fuck this.
now, back to my holiday spirit.
It actually opens pretty wide here in Dallas on the 25th...in seven or eight theaters or so (one art house and a few chain theaters in the wealthy part of town)...and then goes full blown on the 9th. And I've seen a few TV ads that are dripping with prestige. I'm guessing it will end up doing pretty well.
oops moviefone updated the site later today and big fish is opening here on christmas! oops, previous post retracted. hope it sweeps the oscars and beats titanic's grosses! :lol:
I saw this yesterday and it was awsome. My only problem with this movie is the transition from young to old Ed Bloom. Old bloom was played extra cranky in my opinion. All and all it was definitly one of the year's best. Danny Devito hasn't been this good for a while and it was good to see Steve Bushemi, he's been missing from movies of late.
saw this yesterday and unfortunately it was another disapointment for 2003: the YEAR OF THE DISAPPOINTMENT. this was a good film, but it wasnt a great one like i thought it might be. my biggest problem with it is that in all of the stories there was no emotion of any kind. although the tales were fantastic, (which is fine, and great) there was never any sense of peril, or lovelorn, or sadness or anything. they all seemed to be too glossed over with vagueness. none of the tales took long enough for me to become emotionally involved either with them or feel a connection to any of the characters as real people. i read comparisions to forrest gump, which is also fantastic stories, but there are real emotions going on. also have to agree with ghostboy, lose the DP. the shots in the present were boring and the ones from the past were all bleached out. as much as i like ewan macgregor, i think he was miscast in the role. nothing in the film gave me the emotional satisfaction that i got from watching the trailer with the edward scissorhands music. see this if you love Tim Burton, (as i do), but LOWER YOUR EXPECTATIONS, QUICK. thisll probably sneak into my top 10 but thats only cause this year blew...HARD.
man, and this was the one I was REALLY looking forward to
What did you think about the end, themodernage? I felt the same way as you did about the movie, overall...on a scale of one to four, I would have given it two and a half, until that ending. It just effected me so deeply that the whole movie ended up being better just by association.
i was affected by the ending, (although like i said that was diluted by the prior lack of emotional involvement) but it did make me a little teary. had i known the characters better through the flashbacks, i would've been even sadder at the ending. i also agree though, the ending seemed very Fellini-esque. i love tim burton, so i'm not trying to trash the film. but i just think it missed the mark. i'm hoping it'll get better with repeat viewings (as i have about all his movies, ill surely be getting this one), maybe when you've seen the movie a few times it'll seem like you know the characters more. i dunno, maybe i'm just trying too hard to like it more than i do. i'd say 2 1/2 also: better than most of the crap out there, but not as good as it could've been.
you guys are crazy. this movie was great through and through. i saw it last night to a sold out theater (i had to buy tickets to lord of the rings and sneak in), sat front row with my neck craned up the whole damn time, and it was still a great movie. i'm going to see it again i liked it so much.
they even used my FAVORITE buddy holly song!
Quote from: themodernage02saw this yesterday and unfortunately it was another disapointment for 2003: the YEAR OF THE DISAPPOINTMENT.
u mean the year when everyone bought into everything trailers said and therefore based their expectations purely on what some fucked up marketing executive thought would get ppl to buy tickets. that's what year this was. more than ever ppl are seriously being led astray by trailers.
the following rant is directed to anyone who likes trailers..
the number of times i've read "man this wasn't anything like the trailer", or "the movie wasn't as good as the trailer".. it makes me think, WISH it was an american thing. cos like i've said ur all unreasonably in love with commercials. this is the first year i've really felt the influence over here and in just about every review posted in this site. whether u realise it or not, when u lick the balls of the devil by eating/memorising a trailer, u are making up ur own irrelevant movie in ur head and anticipating it. that's the function of a trailer, and u might need that lying piece of shit to get excited like an old man needs viagra, but that's not the function of the film itself. it's just not natural. so it really is no surprise that nothing lives up to anyone's expectations anymore.
i wanted to bring this up (for the millionth, hopefully final, time) in about 10 other threads and i chose this one arbitrarily. nothing personal. i've just had it with expectations and where they originate.
i never saw any advertising for this movie. maybe that's why i liked it so much.
Just got back from the film, LOVED IT, perhaps my favourite Tim Burton film, certainly one of my favourites of the year, McGregor is excellent, the imagery's fantastic, i thought it was very cool.
Quote from: PQuote from: themodernage02saw this yesterday and unfortunately it was another disapointment for 2003: the YEAR OF THE DISAPPOINTMENT.
u mean the year when everyone bought into everything trailers said and therefore based their expectations purely on what some fucked up marketing executive thought would get ppl to buy tickets. that's what year this was.
no, how about the year where all the movies blew, but a few? the year where directors i admire for usually putting out good movies decided to go on holiday.
The only movies I've said I liked the trailers more than the films were Last Samurai and Master and Commander. This doesn't make me some kind of commercial whore. Last Samurai sucked, and Master and Commander's trailer was superior to the movie. Sorry P, we Americans aren't as shallow suckers as you think :P (or at least I don't think I am, the commercials don't leave me to believe so hehe).
Anyway, Big Fish rocks. I cried like a fucking baby at the end, maybe it was because I had to pee really bad, but it really got to me. At first, I thought the structure was flawed and the tone was a little off (like I wasn't feeling what I thought I should), but it got better once they introduced more Will Bloom and his need to reconcile the fact and fiction. They spent a little too much time going to Spectre, after that, especially with Buscemi in the bank, it was really great. I think this one of my favorite Burton films, though I've yet to see Ed Wood.
I was a little disappointed (and without seeing trailers), but I'm convinced it's because I saw 21 Grams the day before.
So many classic ideas and images. I just wish it's parodic spirit had been taken farther.
And... Ewan McGreggor made this movie. Basically everything that he wasn't in bored me, except for the final scene SPOILER (although the fish transformation was too drawn-out).
I'm just hoping this film's overall impact may allow Burton a place on the XIXAX.com list of message boards. If ya fell the need, I would rather you have Burton in here instead of Crowe (I like, but he only has five films), Fincher (enjoy him, too, but idk...), or Spielberg (many people seem to dislike him). I hate to say it, but Wes Anderson hasn't proven his spot on here yet, even though I LOVE him, he only has three films. But, whatever floats the editors boats, I guess.
Quote from: j_scott_stroup04I would rather you have Burton in here instead of Crowe (I like, but he only has five films), Fincher (enjoy him, too, but idk...), or Spielberg (many people seem to dislike him)
crowe is there because the crowe site, theuncool.com, has a link to us. also he is way underrated. spielberg cos he rocks my socks. and fincher cos well u gotta hav someone who doesn't deserve a forum.
wes will pay off over time, he has already. please direct any further suggestions to our Suggestion Box (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5110), where they will be duly ignored.
I'm looking forward to this movie....i skipped planet of the apes and nightmare on xmas....but something about the preview for big fish with the song they use makes me want to check it out despite Ebert tanking it
i absolutely loved this movie. While there were some times that it felt a bit "off", like ghostboy and others have mentioned, this quickly is forgotten once the movie starts to end...it was just so emotional and overwhelming!
yeah it was quite enjoyable. Albert Finney reminded me a lot of Brian Cox in Rushmore, and during the science fair there was a quick shot of a max fischer looking guy standing next to a volcano project too, if I'm not mistaken.
No, I would not like to chat about Big Fish.
Hahahahahahahahaha! Whew! Hold on a second while I wipe my forehead. Wheeeew! That was funny.
You, sir, are the man!
I really liked this movie and this is coming from someone who isn't a Tim Burton fan. The only other ones of his I liked where Batman and Ed Wood. And when I say "liked", I mean just that. I don't see great art at all with Burton. I'm also going to come from the opposite end of modernage and Ghostboy and say the reason I really liked it is because I was emotionally involved in the movie. It wasn't because of depth of story or characters, but just the charm the movie had. I instantly liked Edward Bloom and smiled at all his adventures.
With a movie like Edward Scissorhands, I noticed the oddness of Edward first and couldn't identify with or engage in his character at all. It was a weird idea that just seemed executed in a weird way in a pretty typical love story underneath it all. In Big Fish, I was charmed by Bloom first and seeing all the crazy things as outside what made the movie work for me, so it wasn't interferring with anything. With Mars Attack, there were so many characters who were goofy over the top that I couldn't really care about any of them, especially when the result was easy comedy anyways. There is a charming romantic comedy love for the characters here and the movies tries to be nothing else. I'm really a sucker for these movies when I care about the characters and Big Fish was inventive enough in its adventures for me to really like the film beyond that. This is definitely one of Burton's best.
I think a lot of people expected something else with this film, but in the avenue of recent indie filmmakers going convential, this sure beats "Intolerable Cruelty" anyday.
Perhaps. But Intolerable Cruelty certainly kicks Planet of the Apes' ass.
Quote from: mutinycoPerhaps. But Intolerable Cruelty certainly kicks Planet of the Apes' ass.
Even I skipped Planet of the Apes.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetQuote from: mutinycoPerhaps. But Intolerable Cruelty certainly kicks Planet of the Apes' ass.
Even I skipped Planet of the Apes.
Man, as you probably know already - you didn't miss shit....and this is coming from a Burton fanboy. Biggest disappointment in awhile.
i so badly wanted to love this movie. i am a burton fanboy, i've loved him since i saw pee wee and beetlejuice and batman in theatres as a young boy. but, i was just not emotionally invested in the characters. they were too vague and unrealistic for me to ever feel anything for them. even with the fantastic situations, (a movie like forrest gump still involves me emotionally), but like i said hopefully with repeat viewings maybe it will connect. i still feel it was good but goes in the ...but no catagory. close but no cigar.
I loved this movie. Everything about it was so whimsical and charming. Ewan MacGregor is so wholesome and entertaining to watch in this. Jessica Lange was the icing on the cake. Her performance was just astounding. Even the annoying kids who kept talking behind me in the theater couldn't keep me from enjoying this film. I'm a sucker for fairytale, mythology, and legend stuff, so this was really a treat to watch. I actually liked the ending and bought into the whole world Burton created. This is one of his best movies.
This is a really good movie. I loved the story, cinemtography and performances.
Beetlejuice haunted me as a child... Fortunately, I didn't see Pee Wee's Big Adventure till much later.
I had the privelage of viewing this spectacle of a film last night, and I have to tell ya....it's GREAT! I will have to redo my top 10 list for 2003 and add that in the top 5. It may be in the top 3, but I'm still uncertain as to whether or not I enjoyed it more than Lost in Translation.
Burton BETTER get an Academy Award Nomination for his direction. Holy smokes is it marvelous!
....man whats up the big ffish hate going around.........this film rocked .......
its cool story.....great characters/acting......direction everythign......this is easily burtonn's best......this lived up to my expectations......best film this year.......IMO.......and it has the billy crudup factor........
and the pearl jam song at the ennnd was icing.........
Quote from: NEON MERCURYthis is easily burtonn's best.
no WAY! batman or edward scissorhands depending on your tastes.
Quote from: themodernage02Quote from: NEON MERCURYthis is easily burtonn's best.
batman or edward scissorhands depending on your tastes.
My taste moves towards "Ed Wood".
thats okay too. although admittedly i havent seen it since it first came out on video. it was recently on some movie channel and i watched about 25 minutes of it in the middle and liked it a lot more than when it first came out, (which i would've been like 12/13?) the movie was a lot funneir to me now, so i cant wait for the dvd release so i can finally re-watch it.
it was a nice little film, but for me, i enjoy Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands a lot more. i think the fact that i guessed the ending just a little into the film kinda ruined it for me.
how do you think Burton filmed the giant? it was so seamless.....i'm trying to figure out
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how do you think Burton filmed the giant? it was so seamless.....i'm trying to figure out
SPOILERS.....theRe is nothing to figure out .....you saw the "end" of the film he was real....... :wink:
Just saw this the other night. I thought it was awesome... I can see how that one critic (was paid to) said it was the new Wizard of Oz. It has some of those elements in it.... but this was much better than Wizard of Oz.
the fantasy elements were perfect, but tim burton can't handle a real scene between two people for some reason, the closest he came was with ed wood but still it was a little "off" (fuckin brilliant tho)....but that's okay, it was a good try. big fish is a good movie. nothing more, nothing less. certainly much better than that planet of the apes shit. bring on wonka.....
Sorry, I just have to, being a Burton-aholic and all:
out of a 5 star scale
Vincent- ****
Frankenweenie- ** 1/2
Beetlejuice- **** 1/2
Batman- **** 1/2
Edward Scissorhands- *****
Batman Returns- ****
Nightmare Before Christmas (I know he didn't direct it)- ****
Ed Wood- *****
Mars Attacks- ****
Sleepy Hollow- ****
Planet of the Apes- ***
Big Fish- **** 1/2
So, by my calculations, Big Fish is Burton's best since Ed Wood, and I'm seeing it for the second time in about 1 hr. and a half.
Another note: I am more than ready for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Especially having Depp as Wonka, it's going to be sooo badass!!
Long live the King of imaginative films, LONG LIVE TIM BURTON!!
you forgot Pee Wee
good movie with flaws here and there. reminds me of the stories i used to hear that just went all over the place in very little time. tangents that connected to help resolve each other.. funny and weird and sorta touching at different times.. best part was either the rocking chair scene or the whole war sequence. specially the mega-ultimate martial arts fighting guys.
i think we can all agree that "she'll turn you into soap. that's what she does. turns people into soap." is the best line i've heard all minute.
it messed itself a little with the skewed logic.. the stuff that just doesn't make sense in a movie regardless of whether or not it's a fantasy. and the character of the son didn't work at all. he just pretty much acted as the blocker of everything. i think Burton managed to make the movie better than the script was to start.
i wish they had played the "Escape From The Hospital!" thing up a bit more, too.
on a scale of 1 to 1.1, i'd give it a 1.0797.
This is my fav Burton movie....
I REALLY had doubts after Planet Of the Fuckos....
But this was the only movie...that made me cry....Yes you all heard it...I cried like a little baby.
the only tim burton films i like are BATMAN, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS and ED WOOD. everything else is really bad and really overrated! i was kinda disappointed by BIG FISH.
Tim Burton is one of the best living director if you ask me.
I loved Big Fish ... though a little less than I expected.
I think the only "tumble" that Burton has taken was with Planet of the Apes. Mind you, I'm not a hater of that film, I thought the script was terrible, but I thought Burton did a better job than anybody else could've done with that film, regardless of the quality of the script. So, that's not a tumble on Burton's direction, just the consistency of his movie's quality. Other than that, he's nothing but pure imaginative gold. I'm shaking with anticipation over my thoughts of what his rendition of Wonka is gonna be like.
Here's how Tim will do it...he said in an interview that he's not a big fan of the original film. That it's too sappy at parts when it shouldn't be, and that it made the film weird (Burton actually calling a film weird....now I've heard everything), but he's a big fan of the book, and has been since a child. So, my guess is he'll end up taking what he likes about the original film, and what he likes about the book, give it a Burton twist...and if that's not enough...FUCKING JOHNNY DEPP AS WILLY WONKA is thrown in the mix. How can you not be salivating in anticipation. I don't care if you were a big fan of the original film or not (I enjoy the original a great deal, and normally would be upset that they're gonna be remaking it, but as long as Burton is attached.....)...this is gonna be very entertaining and very enjoyable in about every way (visually, for sure!), at least....I hope. I hope I'm not just wishful thinking a little too far in advance. Eh, what the hell, I can if I want!
everyone knows the real question is:
"Was that the real DeVito or a butt double?"
and,
"Did he really do that with his foot?"
Quote from: TheVoiceOfNickJust saw this the other night. I thought it was awesome... I can see how that one critic (was paid to) said it was the new Wizard of Oz. It has some of those elements in it.... but this was much better than Wizard of Oz.
NO WAY JOSE
I saw Big Fish last night and really liked it. I thought the performances were great (esp Lange and Crudup) and I really liked the contrasts between the flashbacks and reality and the little golden light that shines on the son when the two worlds merge. It ends up in the lower half of my top 10 for the year. I got very teary eyed during the end.
ohh and nothing beats Wizard of Oz.
I'm with mod-age on this. I was disappointed too. While the stories are bizarre and fantastical and went on a bit too long, I didn't really think they were that strange and out there. Burton could have pushed 'em even more. And even so, I never really felt I knew the characters.
*SPOILERS*
When the ending came, I was touched, but not moved. It was like hearing the news about a friend of a friend rather than someone I knew.
yeah, being such a big burton fan, and reading all the subsequent praise the film was getting on here, i was planning to re-watch the film soon to see if i missed something.
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*SPOILERS*
When the ending came, I was touched, but not moved. It was like hearing the news about a friend of a friend rather than someone I knew.
*SPOILERS*
just a little into the movie i knew that the upsurd stories were being set before me so at the funeral all of the people would show up......so when it happened, nothing happened for me........a lot of people are saying they began crying at the ending, but i already knew long in advance.......I actually finally saw Sleepy Hollow and liked it a lot......i think Big Fish will be better on subsequent viewings though.........here's crossing fingers for Willy Wonka!!!!
I must be the only one here that thought Big Fish was great. Sad, sad world...
I liked it, but I thought It'd be better. Luckily I heard a couple of people were disappointed with it before I watched it so I lowered my expectations. It was still a good movie, but I could easily see it being a great movie with a couple of changes.
I loved this movie. Sure, there were flaws here and there but they were mainly on behalf of the screenplay. And I also thought there was some poor editing (such as in the scenes with the witch, the clown shooting at him, and when he wrestles the big fish at the start). But apart from that, I thought it was great. I remember thinking about ghostboy's review, the first Big Fish review i ever read and therefore the one that really stuck in my head, where he said "it's all good but not great until the end, which really delivers everything we could have hoped for" or something like that. I just kept thinking throughout the movie: boy, if this isn't great, then the ending must be awsome. And it was. I really, really enjoyed it.
The sountrack was excellent, also. Every choice of song was good and the score was great (especially during the opening cedits).
it was all very good until the final two lines of voice-over.
spoil..er
something like "and so he became immortal". i wanted to puke my guts out. does he want to wipe my ass too? jesus christ, first of all that was the lamest explanation of the meaning u could give even to retards.. sure he became immortal, DUH FUCK DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M A FUGGIN IDIOT, but more accurately everyone in his lineage became immortal through its retelling. especially crudup, whose decision it was to continue his dad's legacy, he gave up his foolish pride and realised that his dad was a great man who was doing sumthing very special and self-less for his son and future generations.
so when u watch it, mute the fuck out of the final voice-over, or cop the insult.
my mute button doesn't work :(
Source: DVD Answers
Thanks to our retail sources, we appear to have a solid release date for Tim Burton's Big Fish which stars the likes of Ewan McGregor, Albert Finney and Jessica Lange. The disc will be available to own from the 27th April this year, and should set you back around $29.98 although that has yet to be officially confirmed.
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my only problem with it, is that i think they should've put a few more WORDS on the cover. its too plain.
DETAILS
-Anamorphic Widescreen Presentation
-English Dolby Digital 5.1 Track
-French Dolby Surround Track
-Audio Commentary with Director Tim Burton
-Tim Burton: Storyteller (About the Director) Featurette
-A Fairytale World (Myths and Fairytales) Featurette
-Creature Features (Stan Winston Creatures) Featurette
-The Author's Journey (Daniel Wallace's Story) Featurette
-Edward Bloom at Large Character Journey Featurette
-Amos at the Circus (with Danny DeVito) Featurette Fathers and Sons(The Father & Son Dynamic) Featurette
-Interactive Tim Burton Trivia Quiz
-Multiple Theatrical Trailers
-English, French Subtitles
I still need to buy Ed Wood first.
About Big Fish. I really was expecting less, and I came out loving it. I hadn't cried so hard since watching Traffic. I'm not sure why exactly, but this really really hit home hard. Unlike other movies like 21 Grams and Lost in Translation which I thought would have more effect on me. Strangely, I got very absorbed into this one. Can't wait for the DVD!
Quote from: meatballAbout Big Fish. I really was expecting less, and I came out loving it. I hadn't cried so hard since watching Traffic. I'm not sure why exactly, but this really really hit home hard. Unlike other movies like 21 Grams and Lost in Translation which I thought would have more effect on me. Strangely, I got very absorbed into this one. Can't wait for the DVD!
Well I liked Big Fish, but it didn't 'hit me hard' as much as the other two you mentioned.
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When is this coming out?
We wants it!!
Quote from: andykWhen is this coming out?
Quote from: On the previous page, MacGuffinSource: DVD Answers
Thanks to our retail sources, we appear to have a solid release date for Tim Burton's Big Fish which stars the likes of Ewan McGregor, Albert Finney and Jessica Lange. The disc will be available to own from the 27th April this year, and should set you back around $29.98 although that has yet to be officially confirmed.
oh thank you!
Quote from: meatballAbout Big Fish. I really was expecting less, and I came out loving it. I hadn't cried so hard since watching Traffic. I'm not sure why exactly, but this really really hit home hard.
It was hard for me to concentrate on the last 20 minutes, because my friend sitting beside me was sobbing.
:)
I really liked this movie. Burton's best since Ed Wood. And proves two things:
1. Finney is good in everything he does
2. Lange's still got it. Part of me aches because she never really got a great movie. She gets to work with Marty, and he makes his only bad film. She was good in Titus, but that movie was weighed down by too much for it to come out being anything more than interesting. So maybe this is her great movie...
from rumors i've heard, Ewan McGregor looks a lot like Albert Finney used to. and, imo, Alison Lohman looks a lot like Jessica Lange, i would believe they were mother/daughter any day.
as for the movie...it was good, i went to a press screening about a month before it came out over here, which was cool. i thought it had one of the best endings i've seen in a while. i remember smiling throughout. i give it 4/5.
Yeah, it was uncanny how they made Lohman look like Lange.
also, my favorite character: Mr. Soggybottom
He seemed very Wes Anderson Kumar-esque.
yes, i really liked the shot when he pulls out the gun, and then they have a close up of his face as a tear drizzles down his cheek...it's great.
flawless movie, great acting from the leads and tim burton is amazing. i thought he had lost his thang after making that stupid alien movie. sorry, mars attacks fans, but that was a load of shite! that pearl jam song was the great way to end the movie and to start the credit (a lá magnolia.. sort of). looking forward to the chocolate movie. and possibly a sequel to ed wood. *fingers crossed*