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https://www.looper.com/493819/the-surprising-movie-leonardo-dicaprio-regrets-passing-on/ (https://www.looper.com/493819/the-surprising-movie-leonardo-dicaprio-regrets-passing-on/)
Leonardo Dicaprio and Joaquin Phoenix together for the first time? Leo and Paul finally working together? Hear me out.
With the streaming revolution and the unlikelihood of "Licorice Pizza" being a box office hit, a big star will probably be a must if he wants another $25 - $40 million budget where he gets full creative control. After the success of "Joker" Joaquin is an even bigger name than he was when IV came out. Leo regrets passing on Boogie Nights and he and Joaquin go way back to coming up together as child actors, yet they've never worked together before. Paul loves to do movies about families, but it's usually the father son dynamic, never brothers. This could be new territory. Also, if he casts these two, I could see studios allowing the film a 90 day theatrical only window before going to streaming. Also, this might be his last shot at another 70mm epic, if that's what he wants to do, and the star power of Leo and Joaquin would certainly give him that. Emmanuel Lubezki as cinematographer is someone on his wish list as well. Or maybe Darius Khondji will be the DP again. But, it's time for him to strike while the iron is hot.
What are your thoughts on what his next film will be like? Could he do something completely different and focus on a woman with a cast that includes Cate Blanchett, Tiffany Hadish and Katherine Waterston? Could he re-team with old favorites like Julianne Moore and William H. Macy? Another period piece, or finally something modern?
Too soon!
It'll be a Marvel movie, obvs.
He's expressed interest in the next Ant-Man.
There's also a rumored Vincent Froio-led Grand Moff Tarkin prequel.
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on September 22, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
He's expressed interest in the next Ant-Man.
There's also a rumored Vincent Froio-led Grand Moff Tarkin prequel.
Ant-Man 4: I Shrink Your Milkshake
:rofl:
Shrunk Penis, Dead Career.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on September 22, 2021, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on September 22, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
He's expressed interest in the next Ant-Man.
There's also a rumored Vincent Froio-led Grand Moff Tarkin prequel.
Ant-Man 4: I Shrink Your Milkshake
You win ALL the awards!
https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/ (https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/)
"Watched this at the first public screening in 70mm with the Haim sisters and JJ Abrams sitting a row behind me 😱. Somehow this did not feel like a PT Anderson film but yet it felt so similar at the same time. I'm really curious to see what other people think about it. It felt like a straight up John Hughes style film, with a bit of PT Anderson and Spielberg thrown in. In a way, I think it's his most mainstream film, and I find it interesting he mentioned after the screening this was an "easier" project for him to work on, and he was working on something longer and he started to have trouble on it, so he went back to this idea which he has had for 20 years and decided to make it with his friends at "home". So many celebrities kids are in this movie it gets kinda overloaded. I'll be watching it again later this week, so I'll be thinking more about this. But don't expect this to be anything like his other films in terms of genre. Regency fox Westwood."
^^^ This is the first confirmation that there's a new screenplay he's working on and it comes from Paul himself! I wonder if the "something longer" will be akin to Magnolia? Or maybe like There Will Be Blood and The Master? I'm excited.
Quote from: Montclair on November 07, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/ (https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/)
"Watched this at the first public screening in 70mm with the Haim sisters and JJ Abrams sitting a row behind me 😱. Somehow this did not feel like a PT Anderson film but yet it felt so similar at the same time. I'm really curious to see what other people think about it. It felt like a straight up John Hughes style film, with a bit of PT Anderson and Spielberg thrown in. In a way, I think it's his most mainstream film, and I find it interesting he mentioned after the screening this was an "easier" project for him to work on, and he was working on something longer and he started to have trouble on it, so he went back to this idea which he has had for 20 years and decided to make it with his friends at "home". So many celebrities kids are in this movie it gets kinda overloaded. I'll be watching it again later this week, so I'll be thinking more about this. But don't expect this to be anything like his other films in terms of genre. Regency fox Westwood."
^^^ This is the first confirmation that there's a new screenplay he's working on and it comes from Paul himself! I wonder if the "something longer" will be akin to Magnolia? Or maybe like There Will Be Blood and The Master? I'm excited.
Have you given up on Licorice Pizza already then? haha
Quote from: Mattbish19 on November 07, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Montclair on November 07, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/ (https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/)
"Watched this at the first public screening in 70mm with the Haim sisters and JJ Abrams sitting a row behind me 😱. Somehow this did not feel like a PT Anderson film but yet it felt so similar at the same time. I'm really curious to see what other people think about it. It felt like a straight up John Hughes style film, with a bit of PT Anderson and Spielberg thrown in. In a way, I think it's his most mainstream film, and I find it interesting he mentioned after the screening this was an "easier" project for him to work on, and he was working on something longer and he started to have trouble on it, so he went back to this idea which he has had for 20 years and decided to make it with his friends at "home". So many celebrities kids are in this movie it gets kinda overloaded. I'll be watching it again later this week, so I'll be thinking more about this. But don't expect this to be anything like his other films in terms of genre. Regency fox Westwood."
^^^ This is the first confirmation that there's a new screenplay he's working on and it comes from Paul himself! I wonder if the "something longer" will be akin to Magnolia? Or maybe like There Will Be Blood and The Master? I'm excited.
Have you given up on Licorice Pizza already then? haha
No, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it as soon as it's available on digital.
:yabbse-thumbdown:
Quote from: Montclair on November 07, 2021, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: Mattbish19 on November 07, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Montclair on November 07, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/ (https://letterboxd.com/b4ben24/film/licorice-pizza/)
"Watched this at the first public screening in 70mm with the Haim sisters and JJ Abrams sitting a row behind me 😱. Somehow this did not feel like a PT Anderson film but yet it felt so similar at the same time. I'm really curious to see what other people think about it. It felt like a straight up John Hughes style film, with a bit of PT Anderson and Spielberg thrown in. In a way, I think it's his most mainstream film, and I find it interesting he mentioned after the screening this was an "easier" project for him to work on, and he was working on something longer and he started to have trouble on it, so he went back to this idea which he has had for 20 years and decided to make it with his friends at "home". So many celebrities kids are in this movie it gets kinda overloaded. I'll be watching it again later this week, so I'll be thinking more about this. But don't expect this to be anything like his other films in terms of genre. Regency fox Westwood."
^^^ This is the first confirmation that there's a new screenplay he's working on and it comes from Paul himself! I wonder if the "something longer" will be akin to Magnolia? Or maybe like There Will Be Blood and The Master? I'm excited.
Have you given up on Licorice Pizza already then? haha
No, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it as soon as it's available on digital.
Boooooo
Apparently in an LP Q&A he mentioned that he's going scoreless for this.
Quote from: Axolotl on November 07, 2021, 05:12:31 PM
Apparently in an LP Q&A he mentioned that he's going scoreless for this.
There's only been one Q&A so far and he didn't mention anything like that.
From
16:50 - 17:50 he talks about writing a movie he planned on making right after Phantom Thread,
but he was struggling with it so much that he decided to stop and do Licorice Pizza instead.
This thread is just dumb.
Quote from: ono on November 08, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
This thread is just dumb.
The Licorice Pizza thread was started 4 months before the release of Phantom Thread. Not only that, it was started without any quotes or articles about potential casting or Paul hinting at his next project like this thread does. So, what's "dumb" about this thread that isn't "dumb" about when and what was said at the start of the LP thread? And, this time, try not to resort to antagonistic name calling and a 5 word sentence.
No.
From what I've heard about the film, I don't think I'm going to like it as much as Licorice Pizza, which I also have not seen
Quote from: ono on November 08, 2021, 10:44:06 PM
No.
Quote from: Pringle on November 08, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
From what I've heard about the film, I don't think I'm going to like it as much as Licorice Pizza, which I also have not seen
https://www.slashfilm.com/557592/paul-thomas-andersons-next-film/ (https://www.slashfilm.com/557592/paul-thomas-andersons-next-film/)
This was reported during the press run for PT and I was hoping it would be his next one. It's not, but the idea of Paul sifting through a difficult 600 page monster he wrote excites myself and many film fans all over the world.
Quote from: Montclair on November 08, 2021, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: ono on November 08, 2021, 10:44:06 PM
No.
Quote from: Pringle on November 08, 2021, 10:49:01 PM
From what I've heard about the film, I don't think I'm going to like it as much as Licorice Pizza, which I also have not seen
https://www.slashfilm.com/557592/paul-thomas-andersons-next-film/ (https://www.slashfilm.com/557592/paul-thomas-andersons-next-film/)
This was reported during the press run for PT and I was hoping it would be his next one. It's not, but the idea of Paul sifting through a difficult 600 page monster he wrote excites myself and many film fans all over the world.
Did you listen to the Bill Simmons podcast? Bill talks about writing his basketball book and it being "like 600 pages" and no one could help him get through it, but himself in comparison to PTA editing Magnolia. PTA later than brings that back up in the comment quoted in that article. He's not actually talking about a specific project.
Anyone else feel like PTA name-dropping Denzel in the Variety interview was subtly signaling the Jazz movie?
Yeah, I had the same thought.
A Denzel/Haddish/PTA combo would be super exciting imo
He mentions Will Smith in the interview too,... Fresh Prince of Central Avenue?
I really want to see him work with Don Cheadle again!
Smith and Denzel had been trying to star in a movie together but this was many years ago. I remember Denzel mentioned this in an interview or something. It obviously didn't work out but it would be amazing to see it happen after all, and in a PTA movie on top of that! I could see that situation being fresh territory and creatively challenging/rewarding for all involved.
I think Smith sometimes prefers to sort of edit his characters and add his own input to the story, which means it might have to be a Phantom Thread situation where PTA is to some extent creating the character with the star. But that's just a guess...who knows what will happen. (There is also the fact that PTA met with De Niro a while back. Was he meeting with him to discuss the longer project, perhaps?)
For some reason I prefer this early stage of "PTA's next movie" discussion. I guess because there's lots of unknowns and room for fun speculation without too much risk of ever meaningfully spoiling anything.
Quote from: Robyn on November 11, 2021, 02:14:30 PM
Yeah, I had the same thought.
A Denzel/Haddish/PTA combo would be super exciting imo
First thing I thought of, too.
Quote from: Lewton on November 11, 2021, 02:37:38 PM
Smith and Denzel had been trying to star in a movie together but this was many years ago. I remember Denzel mentioned this in an interview or something. It obviously didn't work out but it would be amazing to see it happen after all, and in a PTA movie on top of that! I could see that situation being fresh territory and creatively challenging/rewarding for all involved.
A part of me hopes that's the big, difficult project he was trying to write before he took a detour with LP. I'd love to see him work with Olivia Colman, too!
(https://i.imgur.com/wfGJQM2.png)
Yeah Colman would be a dream
Is anyone else sceptical about Haddish after her bomb scare of a performance in The Card Counter?
In fairness I don't think I've seen her in anything else, except some stand up stuff. I'm not sure what Paul sees in her.
Anyone else see what I'm missing? Maybe you can point me in the direction of something she's been good in?
Quote from: Shughes on November 11, 2021, 04:55:23 PM
Is anyone else sceptical about Haddish after her bomb scare of a performance in The Card Counter?
In fairness I don't think I've seen her in anything else, except some stand up stuff. I'm not sure what Paul sees in her.
Anyone else see what I'm missing? Maybe you can point me in the direction of something she's been good in?
I'm not concerned in the slightest. She can be hit or miss, but if PTA's writing a part just for her and directing her, I have no doubt she'll put out a career-best performance.
She's a great stand up presence and host and guest, but acting-wise? I haven't seen much. Her breakthrough performance was nothing extraordinary—I don't remember the title of the movie, but there was a physical bit about blowing pineapple or something. I'm not sure what the issue with The Card Counter was: underwritten character with bad lines or simply bad acting?
But I'm not worrying. Life's too short to doubt about actors in PTA movies.
Quote from: Drenk on November 11, 2021, 05:00:40 PM
She's a great stand up presence and host and guest, but acting-wise? I haven't seen much. Her breakthrough performance was nothing extraordinary—I don't remember the title of the movie, but there was a physical bit about blowing pineapple or something. I'm not sure what the issue with The Card Counter was: underwritten character with bad lines or simply bad acting?
But I'm not worrying. Life's too short to doubt about actors in PTA movies.
For me the issue with The Card Counter could be the script, or the direction, but is definitely bad performance. It didn't help that Oscar Isaac was nailing his part, which made everyone else look even worse. I think the Haddish role would have been better with almost anyone else in it. So perhaps it's just a case of miscasting.
And of course, in PTA we trust. So I'm sure it would be fine in the end.
Quote from: Shughes on November 11, 2021, 04:55:23 PM
Is anyone else sceptical about Haddish after her bomb scare of a performance in The Card Counter?
In fairness I don't think I've seen her in anything else, except some stand up stuff. I'm not sure what Paul sees in her.
Anyone else see what I'm missing? Maybe you can point me in the direction of something she's been good in?
I've never seen The Card Counter, but I've seen her in "Girl's Trip" which is what Paul loved her in. She's very natural and funny, so I'd be surprised if he wrote a straight up dramatic role for her. Maybe she'll play a character like "Marcie" in Magnolia?
Quote from: Montclair on November 11, 2021, 05:52:16 PM
Quote from: Shughes on November 11, 2021, 04:55:23 PM
Is anyone else sceptical about Haddish after her bomb scare of a performance in The Card Counter?
In fairness I don't think I've seen her in anything else, except some stand up stuff. I'm not sure what Paul sees in her.
Anyone else see what I'm missing? Maybe you can point me in the direction of something she's been good in?
I've never seen The Card Counter, but I've seen her in "Girl's Trip" which is what Paul loved her in. She's very natural and funny, so I'd be surprised if he wrote a straight up dramatic role for her. Maybe she'll play a character like "Marcie" in Magnolia?
I hope not; the scene with Marcie has aged the most poorly of all the scenes in the movie.
Haddish is TERRIBLE in The Card Counter, but she was very open that Schrader made her work in a very different way than what she was used to which she said was quite challenging. PTA has a reputation of doing the opposite. He adjusts(to an extent of course) for his actor.
That said, I'm not loving the Haddish idea, but I'll trust PTA. Even thoug Schrader didn't get a good performance, I do think it's a good sign that another well renowned writer/director was equally smitten about Haddish. There might be something to it.
Quote from: gaucho_marx on November 13, 2021, 10:53:42 AM
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Not to be the tinfoil hat guy stoking the flames of speculation on his next film before most of us have even seen this one but in this panel he mentions a a stride piano player at the bar. Stride piano is a specific style of jazz piano popular in the 30s-40s. I would bet his rumored depression era, SoCal jazz film was the thing he put aside to make licorice.
Also, Nina Simone has a song in Licorice Pizza.
The Denzel namedrop can't have been just a coincidence. Can't recall him mentioning him before.
I can't see Will Smith being comfortable in PTA's world. Even Tarantino was too much for him.
https://twitter.com/tarantallegra/status/1459226525660815364?s=21
I'd call Will Smith not being as likely a win. Personally, I'm much more interested in seeing Denzel/PTA happen. Denzel is P O W E R F U L as fuck on screen.
Quote from: wrongright on November 13, 2021, 03:54:21 PM
The Denzel namedrop can't have been just a coincidence. Can't recall him mentioning him before.
I can't see Will Smith being comfortable in PTA's world. Even Tarantino was too much for him.
yeah will smith is all about himself with his films a bad collaborator
Denzel would be thrilling (and given his age maybe it's now or never), Smith is the commercial draw that lacks range (he just can't disappear into a role - save for Ali ('01)?) but stranger things happen all the time, and Haddish is the new Adam-Sandler situation minus the Sandman's mainstream appeal.
Quote from: Drenk on November 13, 2021, 04:06:45 PM
https://twitter.com/tarantallegra/status/1459226525660815364?s=21
He suggested her to Lars Von Trier for "Melancholia," so I know he's a fan.
Will Smith isn't even a box office draw anymore, those days are over.
His hero, Jonathan Demme, directed "Philadelphia" and he and Gary Goeztzman produced "Devil in a Blue Dress." Denzel Washington and Don Cheadle in a film by Paul would ironically be his biggest movie with the most hype attached to it.
Quote from: HACKANUT on November 13, 2021, 04:07:38 PM
I'd call Will Smith not being as likely a win. Personally, I'm much more interested in seeing Denzel/PTA happen. Denzel is P O W E R F U L as fuck on screen.
I agree with you about Denzel but I personally think Smith in a PTA movie would almost certainly produce magical results on screen. I also think Smith is still a huge plus for any movie in terms of getting viewers into theaters (I always assumed many people went to see Aladdin primarily because of him and, for whatever it's worth, his relatively new social media presence is really well-managed and popular).
Just a hunch. PTA's comments about The Pursuit of Happyness (Smith is incredible there) made it clear that he understands Smith's talent and potential. It'd also just be so unexpected for PTA in a way...I'm just curious about what that movie would be like, even more than I'd be curious about another Joaquin Phoenix collaboration (which, don't get me wrong, would also make me very curious in its own right because Phoenix is wonderful in both IV and The Master).
My hope is, after doing a movie filled with relative unknowns and amateurs in the main roles, he'll do one with the cream of the crop when it comes to pure acting talent. Aside from working with Leo and Denzel for the first time, I'd love to see a movie with Olivia Colman, Lesley Manville, Don Cheadle, Harriet Sansom Harris and other actor's actors who are veterans and true masters of their craft!
Quote from: Montclair on November 13, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
My hope is, after doing a movie filled with relative unknowns and amateurs in the main roles, he'll do one with the cream of the crop when it comes to pure acting talent. Aside from working with Leo and Denzel for the first time, I'd love to see a movie with Olivia Colman, Lesley Manville, Don Cheadle, Harriet Sansom Harris and other actor's actors who are veterans and true masters of their craft!
For sure...any one of those actors would be great. I think he will probably go in that direction (established actors) for the leads, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another less well-known actor in a major role again because he was interested in that sort of thing even before Licorice Pizza.
And of course there's pretty much always some major casting choice in a PTA movie that no one could have seen coming. It'll be something like, "yeah...well, I've known Albert Brooks for years and we've wanted to work together, so I sent him the script...", etc.
EDIT: I said "Albert Brooks" as like a random, out of nowhere hypothetical and then I got curious about any actual connection, so I Googled...and it turns out Brooks was almost cast in Boogie Nights? I must have read that at some point but I had forgotten.
After seeing "Licorice Pizza" I'm even more excited for his next film! If this fun movie with an obsessive attention to period detail is the result of him taking a break in between writing a difficult script -- I can't wait to see the movie that springs from the script he was having trouble with. I just hope that he casts real actor's actors this time in all of the roles.
Quote from: Montclair on November 29, 2021, 02:20:37 AM
After seeing "Licorice Pizza" I'm even more excited for his next film! If this fun movie with an obsessive attention to period detail is the result of him taking a break in between writing a difficult script -- I can't wait to see the movie that springs from the script he was having trouble with. I just hope that he casts real actor's actors this time in all of the roles.
So you didnt like Alana and Cooper then?
(https://i.redd.it/ctw13gl256581.jpg)
RE: some of the Mason & Dixon talk from earlier.
I doubt it, but Paul could be dropping some hints in his Zoom name?
Where is that screenshot from?
not sure the source, but found on twitter/reddit.
https://twitter.com/Nick_Newman/status/1469867138647220229
Has anyone read a book recently and thought to themselves 'Man, I wish PTA would adapt this for the screen'? If so, what was it?
Was going to post this in the "actor/directors who mention PTA" thread but where there's smoke...
https://twitter.com/bloodsimpIe/status/1473397511557582850
I love that they've both publicly said good things about each other and that they've met. This is exciting.
I choose to believe that this is definitely not coincidental.
Side note, is this who he meant by Curran (Joel?) https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0192845/
I thought he meant Alfonso Cuarón, but who knows.
A shocking number of people pronounce Cuarón that way, so yeah.
Quote from: Drill on December 21, 2021, 09:08:49 PM
Was going to post this in the "actor/directors who mention PTA" thread but where there's smoke...
This is cool. I'm sure they discussed Demme, and I'm guessing they had already met years ago through that common link (Demme) or something along those lines.
So now we have two very intriguing PTA meetings in recent years: Denzel and De Niro. Here's hoping he'll meet with Smith, or maybe that has already happened.
I was also wondering recently if he talked with Jim Carrey during Maya's SNL gig as Kamala Harris...he must have, right? Either way, I'm hoping that Carrey is still on his mind as a casting possibility.
...but he clearly said Joel.
He meant Joel Coen.
"Joel sets the bar high, and I wanna keep..." is what I hear.
As in, Joel Coen (who he just worked with and whose movie he is promoting in that interview) has set the bar high.
That makes sense. Cool. :yabbse-thumbup:
Washington is a fine actor and also one of the most charismatic screen presences going, so if he does work with PTA that would be very exciting.
I'd love to see him work with Tom Hanks, too. And Isabelle Huppert. And, well, lots of gifted actors.
Listening to the way he's talking about the magic of "lack of cell phones" and how fascinated he is by the endless potential of period setting in the recent podcast of Increment Vice, I would be not surprised at all if he will never make a contemporary movie ever again.
(I can't decide if it's "I'm just feeling more intrigued and comfortable on a period setting", "I can't figure a truly interesting and compelling story set in the present" or a bit of both)
(https://i.imgur.com/4w4B3bW.jpg)
It's probably a lot more fun, and a lot more creative, to do a period piece. You get to do research and you get to pull from personal memories and from movies and art that you've seen from those time periods.
Yeah, if you're lucky enough to be able to get the budgets and the creative freedom to depict distant time periods on screen, it must be hard to resist the temptation.
Quote from: Montclair on December 28, 2021, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on November 29, 2021, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: Montclair on November 29, 2021, 02:20:37 AM
After seeing "Licorice Pizza" I'm even more excited for his next film! If this fun movie with an obsessive attention to period detail is the result of him taking a break in between writing a difficult script -- I can't wait to see the movie that springs from the script he was having trouble with. I just hope that he casts real actor's actors this time in all of the roles.
So you didnt like Alana and Cooper then?
It's not that I didn't like them, I just felt their performances were pretty good, not great. Which I've never felt before in a PTA movie.
Quote from: Drill on December 21, 2021, 09:08:49 PM
Was going to post this in the "actor/directors who mention PTA" thread but where there's smoke...
https://twitter.com/bloodsimpIe/status/1473397511557582850
Quote from: pynchonikon on December 21, 2021, 11:54:15 PM
I choose to believe that this is definitely not coincidental.
I wonder if this means they're talking about that jazz movie Tiffany Haddish mentioned? That entire "Get Thee Behind Me Satan" by Ella Fitzgerald sequence in The Master is one of my favorite PTA moments ever, so imagine a movie filled with that music!
His next film will either be with Denzel or Leo or Joaquin. I guarantee it.
I think that PTA has actually made two conscious deviations in his career so far. The one that's often mentioned is how he left behind the attention-seeking pyrotechnics post-Magnolia. But something else he seems to have shied away from since The Master is the kind of self-consciously IMPORTANT, sweeping epic that There Will Be Blood and its follow-up represented.
Perhaps he felt it would be too easy to succumb to the Kubrick comparisons and allow his movies to all develop elephantiasis? Since Inherent Vice, he seems to have deliberately chosen to rein in those impulses and consider the possibility of a different, more eccentric auteurism. I think this had made for a more interesting career trajectory. In Phantom Thread and LP, in particular, there's a very detectable note of healthy skepticism towards that sort of 'Great Man' narrative that he seemed to find more appealing 10-15 years ago. Both those films are certainly engaged in deconstructing that narrative, but they're still to some extent fascinated by it, but I'm not so sure that's where PTA's mind is at nowadays.
I do wonder if late style PTA will be increasingly small stakes and intentionally marginal in structure, theme and style. I'm not sure that another TWBB type of film is on the menu, but then what do I know!
I disagree, I think another TWBB, The Master style epic is what's next. I mean, Phantom Thread was a period piece costume drama with sweeping orchestral music starring Daniel Day Lewis, doesn't get more IMPORTANT than that. It was like the weirdest/best Merchant Ivory movie that they never made. Punch Drunk Love was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Magnolia and TWBB. Licorice Pizza was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Phantom Thread and what's next(the challenging project he abandoned when he decided to quickly do LP instead).
I wouldn't describe both TWBB and The Master as "epic" pictures. Yes, they burned a fake oil rig for TWBB, but it is mostly a very quiet movie in a no man's land.
If you think that TWBB was actually his last film that partly explored the father-son dynamic, a plot device that seemed to really interest him and defined his work in the first phase of his career, you might indeed be into something, RudyBlatnoyd.
It's hard to articulate exactly what I mean. There's a sort of devil-may-care, invigorating scrappiness to his films post-Master, in some ways, that wasn't ever quite there before. I guess it's a product of TWBB and TM feeling like the works where he set out his stall as the 'pre-eminent American filmmaker of his generation', and now he doesn't feel the need to prove himself in that way, and even seems to be a little disenchanted with that kind of Kubrickian / Fordian seeking after perfection and the Great American Movie. Not to get into spoilers, but contrast the ending of TWBB – which makes a very definite statement, albeit in a brilliant way, tying up the film's thesis – with the ending of LP, which is something else entirely (the more I think about it, the odder an ending it seems).
Anyway, this is all a long-winded way of saying that I think he just keeps getting more intriguing as a filmmaker.
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I disagree, I think another TWBB, The Master style epic is what's next. I mean, Phantom Thread was a period piece costume drama with sweeping orchestral music starring Daniel Day Lewis, doesn't get more IMPORTANT than that. It was like the weirdest/best Merchant Ivory movie that they never made. Punch Drunk Love was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Magnolia and TWBB. Licorice Pizza was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Phantom Thread and what's next(the challenging project he abandoned when he decided to quickly do LP instead).
To be fair he said he was having trouble writing a script but didnt give any clue with what that project ,if it does get made, will be.
Would be interesting if he does a huge in scope film but we will just have to wait really.
Quote from: pynchonikon on December 29, 2021, 05:27:43 PM
If you think that TWBB was actually his last film that partly explored the father-son dynamic, a plot device that seemed to really interest him and defined his work in the first phase of his career, you might indeed be into something, RudyBlatnoyd.
Are you serious?? It was clearly explored in The Master, as well.
Quote from: Drenk on December 29, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
I wouldn't describe both TWBB and The Master as "epic" pictures. Yes, they burned a fake oil rig for TWBB, but it is mostly a very quiet movie in a no man's land.
"Epic" doesn't only mean on the scale of Lawrence of Arabia and nothing less. These were not "no man's land" movies, they had a lot of production value.
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on December 29, 2021, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I disagree, I think another TWBB, The Master style epic is what's next. I mean, Phantom Thread was a period piece costume drama with sweeping orchestral music starring Daniel Day Lewis, doesn't get more IMPORTANT than that. It was like the weirdest/best Merchant Ivory movie that they never made. Punch Drunk Love was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Magnolia and TWBB. Licorice Pizza was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Phantom Thread and what's next(the challenging project he abandoned when he decided to quickly do LP instead).
To be fair he said he was having trouble writing a script but didnt give any clue with what that project ,if it does get made, will be.
Would be interesting if he does a huge in scope film but we will just have to wait really.
In the interview he said, ""I had planned on making another film that I'd been writing for a while ... because I had been struggling with this other piece."
So, he clearly was trying to make this after Phantom Thread and was writing for a while, but struggling. Why would he not come back to it? Especially after declaring Denzel as being "the great white whale" that he wants to work with in the Variety article and Denzel on video saying, "I've talked to the directors that I wanna work with, I spent a wonderful day with Paul Thomas Anderson and his family." I'm pretty sure if Paul's trying to work with Denzel it's not gonna be in something on a small scale, it would be another "Great Man" movie.
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on December 29, 2021, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I disagree, I think another TWBB, The Master style epic is what's next. I mean, Phantom Thread was a period piece costume drama with sweeping orchestral music starring Daniel Day Lewis, doesn't get more IMPORTANT than that. It was like the weirdest/best Merchant Ivory movie that they never made. Punch Drunk Love was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Magnolia and TWBB. Licorice Pizza was a light workout in between the heavy lifting of Phantom Thread and what's next(the challenging project he abandoned when he decided to quickly do LP instead).
To be fair he said he was having trouble writing a script but didnt give any clue with what that project ,if it does get made, will be.
Would be interesting if he does a huge in scope film but we will just have to wait really.
In the interview he said, ""I had planned on making another film that I'd been writing for a while ... because I had been struggling with this other piece."
So, he clearly was trying to make this after Phantom Thread and was writing for a while, but struggling. Why would he not come back to it? Especially after declaring Denzel as being "the great white whale" that he wants to work with in the Variety article and Denzel on video saying, "I've talked to the directors that I wanna work with, I spent a wonderful day with Paul Thomas Anderson and his family." I'm pretty sure if Paul's trying to work with Denzel it's not gonna be in something on a small scale, it would be another "Great Man" movie.
Sure no doubt he will try and go back to that project im just saying theres nothing saying its a film with denzel and just because he was struggling with the script doesnt mean its on the scale of blood or the master is all.
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: pynchonikon on December 29, 2021, 05:27:43 PM
If you think that TWBB was actually his last film that partly explored the father-son dynamic, a plot device that seemed to really interest him and defined his work in the first phase of his career, you might indeed be into something, RudyBlatnoyd.
Are you serious?? It was clearly explored in The Master, as well.
How? Between Dodd and his son? Because him and Freddie is certainly not a father-son dynamic.
And please dont ask me if I'm serious with two question marks ever again. One is enough.
How do you feel about interrobangs?!
Hard Sydney: Epic dice rolls by the late great Philip Seymour Hoffman, epic vibraphones — Epic film ✅
Boogie Nights: Epic scope (the 70s and 80s), epic scale (of you know what), and epic dance moves — Epic film ✅
Mag: Epic father/son dynamic between Dixon and The Worm, alludes to biblical epics of yore, otherwise nothing epic about it — Minor film 🛑
PDL: Epic visuals, epic levels of anxiety, epic harmonium performances — Epic film ✅
Chere Mill: Epic ego of the protagonist (am I correct?), landscapes are large but not quite epic-scaled, and the scope of time is fairly limited — Minor film 🛑
The Master: A war film that deals with the trauma of what the protagonist experienced; epic in both moral and war-movie terms — Epic film ✅
Inherent Vice: The plot is an epic mystery rarely seen outside of Mission Impossible films, and an epic amount of cannabis is consumed — Epic film ✅
Phantom Thread: There is one view of an epic landscape, otherwise takes place in one room trying on clothes — Minor film 🛑
:rofl:
Hahaha
Quote from: pynchonikon on December 30, 2021, 12:20:28 AM
And please dont ask me if I'm serious with two question marks ever again. One is enough.
This is one of the hardest, dorkiest retorts I've seen in a while. :yabbse-grin:
Quote from: pynchonikon on December 30, 2021, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: pynchonikon on December 29, 2021, 05:27:43 PM
If you think that TWBB was actually his last film that partly explored the father-son dynamic, a plot device that seemed to really interest him and defined his work in the first phase of his career, you might indeed be into something, RudyBlatnoyd.
Are you serious?? It was clearly explored in The Master, as well.
How? Between Dodd and his son? Because him and Freddie is certainly not a father-son dynamic.
And please dont ask me if I'm serious with two question marks ever again. One is enough.
The father son dynamic between Dodd and Freddie is in tradition with Sydney, Boogie Nights and There Will Be Blood. PTA's movies during that time period were about psuedo father son relationships and loners wandering off and making up an adoptive family. How can you talk about his work with such authority and not see this???
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 30, 2021, 01:25:24 AM
Hard Sydney: Epic dice rolls by the late great Philip Seymour Hoffman, epic vibraphones — Epic film ✅
Boogie Nights: Epic scope (the 70s and 80s), epic scale (of you know what), and epic dance moves — Epic film ✅
Mag: Epic father/son dynamic between Dixon and The Worm, alludes to biblical epics of yore, otherwise nothing epic about it — Minor film 🛑
PDL: Epic visuals, epic levels of anxiety, epic harmonium performances — Epic film ✅
Chere Mill: Epic ego of the protagonist (am I correct?), landscapes are large but not quite epic-scaled, and the scope of time is fairly limited — Minor film 🛑
The Master: A war film that deals with the trauma of what the protagonist experienced; epic in both moral and war-movie terms — Epic film ✅
Inherent Vice: The plot is an epic mystery rarely seen outside of Mission Impossible films, and an epic amount of cannabis is consumed — Epic film ✅
Phantom Thread: There is one view of an epic landscape, otherwise takes place in one room trying on clothes — Minor film 🛑
You forgot The Dirk Diggler Story. But, if we can be serious for a brief moment, I'd say it's pretty obvious that all signs are pointing towards his next film being in the style of TWBB and The Master with a runtime of at least 2h30min. I can't imagine any PTA fans who wouldn't welcome that as a return to form, especially after Licorice Pizza. Here's hoping he does the right thing and really takes on a project that scares him again and challenges him to go out of his depth and branch out, evolve his style even more and finally, make another masterpiece with something important to say.
Quote from: Montclair on December 31, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 30, 2021, 01:25:24 AM
Hard Sydney: Epic dice rolls by the late great Philip Seymour Hoffman, epic vibraphones — Epic film ✅
Boogie Nights: Epic scope (the 70s and 80s), epic scale (of you know what), and epic dance moves — Epic film ✅
Mag: Epic father/son dynamic between Dixon and The Worm, alludes to biblical epics of yore, otherwise nothing epic about it — Minor film 🛑
PDL: Epic visuals, epic levels of anxiety, epic harmonium performances — Epic film ✅
Chere Mill: Epic ego of the protagonist (am I correct?), landscapes are large but not quite epic-scaled, and the scope of time is fairly limited — Minor film 🛑
The Master: A war film that deals with the trauma of what the protagonist experienced; epic in both moral and war-movie terms — Epic film ✅
Inherent Vice: The plot is an epic mystery rarely seen outside of Mission Impossible films, and an epic amount of cannabis is consumed — Epic film ✅
Phantom Thread: There is one view of an epic landscape, otherwise takes place in one room trying on clothes — Minor film 🛑
You forgot The Dirk Diggler Story. But, if we can be serious for a brief moment, I'd say it's pretty obvious that all signs are pointing towards his next film being in the style of TWBB and The Master with a runtime of at least 2h30min. I can't imagine any PTA fans who wouldn't welcome that as a return to form, especially after Licorice Pizza. Here's hoping he does the right thing and really takes on a project that scares him again and challenges him to go out of his depth and branch out, evolve his style even more and finally, make another masterpiece with something important to say.
I love your posts they are even more funny then a good asian racist scene.
If you don't think his next film will be an 80-minute musical Western starring DJ Qualls as a disgraced pharmacist who introduces the game of cricket to Wyoming, you're a fake fan, end of story.
I will not be taking any further questions at this time.
I'm hearing the next one is going to be his last, he wants to retire after his 10th movie.
I'm pretty sure he's finally making his Mortal Kombat sequel next.
https://collider.com/paul-thomas-anderson-is-not-directing-metal-gear-solid/
He will make a Father Son story set in the valley in the 1970s. Checks every box.
The way he keeps going on about Denzel makes me think it's happening. He hasn't been this incessant since... Sandler? Even the Tiffany Haddish thing felt more like speculation on his part.. "Oh, I'd love to. We talked here and there". He's already namedropped Denzel a few times this press tour and on his last podcast appearance mentioned he couldn't die without working with him.
This also reminded me of two things:
-He's previously discussed working on a different project but drew more fondly of this. A fact repeated here. He also remarked his work with period pieces unfortunately rules out many POC actors he'd like to work with ala Denzel
-Back in 2019 or 2020, someone here posted news about a PTA project that was contemporary and an unexpected Lead Actor. He could have been full of shit, who knows. Can't remember if he was correct in the past. But... this could have been the Denzel thing he was eyeing?
Quote from: Yes on January 01, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
He also remarked his work with period pieces unfortunately rules out many POC actors he'd like to work with ala Denzel
Lol did he really say that, or was he just repeating the chris rock joke? If it's the former, what does he think black people did before the '80s that they couldn't be characters in movies, sit around being sad all the time?
Quote from: Yes on January 01, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
The way he keeps going on about Denzel makes me think it's happening. He hasn't been this incessant since... Sandler? Even the Tiffany Haddish thing felt more like speculation on his part.. "Oh, I'd love to. We talked here and there". He's already namedropped Denzel a few times this press tour and on his last podcast appearance mentioned he couldn't die without working with him.
This also reminded me of two things:
-He's previously discussed working on a different project but drew more fondly of this. A fact repeated here. He also remarked his work with period pieces unfortunately rules out many POC actors he'd like to work with ala Denzel
-Back in 2019 or 2020, someone here posted news about a PTA project that was contemporary and an unexpected Lead Actor. He could have been full of shit, who knows. Can't remember if he was correct in the past. But... this could have been the Denzel thing he was eyeing?
Their info about Phantom Thread was accurate.
This could be what the poster was referring to but they implied at the time that the actor was already attached/cast. This interest in Denzel sounds very recent.
Quote from: Axolotl on January 02, 2022, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: Yes on January 01, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
He also remarked his work with period pieces unfortunately rules out many POC actors he'd like to work with ala Denzel
Lol did he really say that, or was he just repeating the chris rock joke? If it's the former, what does he think black people did before the '80s that they couldn't be characters in movies, sit around being sad all the time?
Chris Rock joke but I remember during Master, he spoke about how he wanted to get his kids into the portrait scene but couldn't because the race
Guys. I've got his 10th feature.
A Sonny & Cher biopic.
Just to get everyone in the mood.
https://youtu.be/s5FYAtgvMcM?t=243
Since he has covered the 70s twice more after Boogie Nights, I hope someday he sets a film in the 80s again.
I really would like for him to work with Camilla Rutherford again. I thought she was underused in Phantom Thread.
Quote from: Montclair on January 10, 2022, 06:50:51 PM
I really would like for him to work with Camilla Rutherford again. I thought she was underused in Phantom Thread.
So true! I felt the same about Sarah Lamesch and Nicholas Mander, both criminally underused in Phantom Thread.
Admin edit: Montclair has been permanently banned for this post (and others).
I don't care about PTA or defending him and you genuinely can't read. I find you personally distasteful and think you're the dumbest person ever to post here. That's what the post was about.
Admin edit: Montclair has been permanently banned for this post (and others).
While we're at it, might as well throw a trigger warning for suicide on this post. (Yep, not kidding.)
Quote from: Axolotl on January 10, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
I don't care about PTA or defending him and you genuinely can't read. I find you personally distasteful and think you're the dumbest person ever to post here. That's what the post was about.
I'm not sure if you've ever been suicidal before but if you ever are in the future, do the world a favor and kill yourself. Thanks in advance.
Jesus, get your emotions under control fellas. Don't make me start listing free behavioral health services in the PTA threads.
TW: suicide (yep not kidding)
Axo-lol - don't kill urself. We like you.

Lot it's fine I did sort of goad him into it. Sorry for the distraction guys!
TW
guess he went for forum suicide by cop
I just wanna know how he went from a normal comment about Camila Rutherford to those crazy replies.
I had him on mute for past few months so......
Which decade and location would you guys like to see PTA delve into next?
I'd love to see him do something in the 40s New York. Or maybe something based in clevedland around the time his dad did ghoulardi .
He'll probably make a movie set in 2006, just before the first iPhone.
A science fiction movie where civilization collapsed so long ago that they're just getting back around to the 1970s.
Quote from: Drenk on January 26, 2022, 04:20:19 PM
He'll probably make a movie set in 2006, just before the first iPhone.
What would you like to see though fella?
I feel like this question gets repeated a lot so I'll just repeat what I've already wished for:
-contemporary setting
-or another 70s style comedy ala Bad News Bear
-TV network comedy about Cleveland and inspired by his dad... 60s?
Either '50s, or late '80s/early '90s when people were gradually supplanting much of their oranges and browns with fluorescents (plus I was old enough to remember it clearly). Or contemporary.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on January 26, 2022, 05:46:15 PM
Quote from: Drenk on January 26, 2022, 04:20:19 PM
He'll probably make a movie set in 2006, just before the first iPhone.
What would you like to see though fella?
Contemporary fiction.
I feel like LP likely precludes diving into Ghoulardi territory for the next film.
Altman was 50 when he made Nashville. I would love to see Anderson tackle something both along the lines of commenting on contemporary America and interweaving plots, a Nashville for our era.
The key is, I'd like to see Paul work with a collaborator. Essentially, that's what he's been doing. TWBB is in collaboration with Upton Sinclair. Inherent Vice in collaboration with Pynchon. Phantom Thread in collaboration with DDL. LP in collaboration with Gary Goetzman.
I'd like to see PTA find his Joan Tewkesbury, as Altman did with Nashville, someone who can break the spine of a story and who is on the same wavelength at PTA but also bringing outside ideas.
And if none of that works, gimme a horror film set in 1950s rural America :)
https://vimeo.com/681658659/7493ca68ef
Around 5:37, he describes the other script he'd been working on as "kind of bleak".
Quote from: Drill on February 26, 2022, 11:55:47 AM
https://vimeo.com/681658659/7493ca68ef
Around 5:37, he describes the other script he'd been working on as "kind of bleak".
Interesting to see if he will come back to it now, some time in the future or completely abandon it.
Why some of you want to see him doing contemporary? Modern America just looks aesthetically awful after all the gentrification, and the fact that 99% of the tv shows and movies are set there--the "magic" and the mood of it has completely died down.
It seems like he put it aside because of how bleak the world has gotten. Things have only gotten scarier so who knows what he'll do next
Honestly, bring on the darkness :yabbse-thumbup:
Quote from: Vicko99 on February 26, 2022, 02:11:01 PM
Why some of you want to see him doing contemporary? Modern America just looks aesthetically awful after all the gentrification, and the fact that 99% of the tv shows and movies are set there--the "magic" and the mood of it has completely died down.
I'm not itching for contemporary but there's obviously a lot that can be done to make modern settings look aesthetic. The Daydreaming video, anima, punch drunk love all have modern settings and manage to look fantastic.
If anything I'm REALLY itching for that 1600 ghost story. or anything many hundreds of years in the past for that matter.
Just read my first Chester Himes novel – A Rage in Harlem – and I know that PTA has previously mentioned him as one of his favourite authors. I know there are already a few straight adaptations of Himes' work, but I could definitely see Anderson channelling some of the writer's spirit and imaginative world in the project that he ends up doing with Washington.
Based on the photos of who he was hobnobbing with at today's Oscar luncheon, PTA's next film will star Denzel Washington and Andrew Garfield. :shock:
Part of me wants to see PTA do a Joseph Losey and start roaming around Europe and other parts of the world making weird movies in different languages with an international cast of actors. I could see Isabelle Huppert or Franz Rogowski in a PTA movie, for example.
And so the agony of waiting for announcements begins again.
Not really, I'm playing Elden Ring. :yabbse-grin:
I do want to open another thread because this title is awful and, I believe, has been created by a member now banned from the website—let's not doom Untitled Paul Thomas Anderson (2024) with bad vibes.
I changed the title to ease your illz
We could keep this one for speculations/daydreaming, and create a new one when it's officially announced.
I'm hoping he's pretty far along in the next project since it's been reported now multiple times that he was working in something else when Licorice Pizza took over him. Maybe it will only be a 2 year wait like The Master to Inherent Vice.
Time of announcement:
Licorice Pizza- Nov 12th, 2019 (Phantom Thread released Christmas 2017)
Phantom Thread- June 2nd, 2016 (Inherent Vice released December 2014)
The Master- Dec 2nd, 2009 (There Will Be Blood released December 2007)*Master released September 2012*
(Inherent Vice was revealed very early before Master even happened, so neglected to include that announcement)
So history says announcement October-November 2023 and a 2024 release date. (Since he repeatedly mentioned he was far along on another project before shifting gears to LP, hopefully fall 2022, this year we get word. And then a 2023 release date)
With the confirmation that Sandler is reuniting with the Safdie's for their next film, I am once again itching for PTA and Sandler to reunite.
It will star Sandler and Phoenix as half-brothers who share a highly questionable fetish for Japanese culture and enter into an age-gap romantic triangle with a much younger woman.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on April 29, 2022, 05:44:21 AMIt will star Sandler and Phoenix as half-brothers who share a highly questionable fetish for Japanese culture and enter into an age-gap romantic triangle with a much younger woman.
Throw in some father issues, dreamlike imagery and loud performances and im there.
Just so long as DDL plays the father.
I wouldnt care what sort of story the next one was about as long as it starred any of this lot
Returning actors:
Julianne Moore
Melora Walters
Alana Haim
Vicky Krieps
Katherine Waterston
Joaquin Phoenix
Cooper Hoffman
Philip Baker Hall
Daniel Day Lewis (i can dream)
New people:
Renate Reinsve
Denzel Washington
Olivia Colman
Tilda Swinton
Michael Shannon
Christian Bale
Karen Gillan
Peter Sarsgarrd
Vanessa Kirby
Jessie Buckley
Eddie Marsan
Brendan Fraser
Paul Bettany
Whatever it will be, it probably won't be with MGM this time.
https://deadline.com/2022/04/mgm-mike-de-luca-pam-abdy-leaving-mgm-studio-folds-into-amazon-1235011024/
Yeah, with De Luca out... PTA should beg Focus again lol
Anyway, I had the idea a long time ago about a Bad News Bears riff. Joaquin or Reilly for the coach. Throw in Maya as a parent. He has another excuse for his kids.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 29, 2022, 05:09:29 PMWhatever it will be, it probably won't be with MGM this time.
https://deadline.com/2022/04/mgm-mike-de-luca-pam-abdy-leaving-mgm-studio-folds-into-amazon-1235011024/
This kind of sucks. LP's 32 million dollars on a 40 million dollar budget in a "pandemic box office" was considered a win, but I don't think MGM is going to care without De Luca.
https://www.thewrap.com/michael-de-luca-pam-abdy-warner-bros-discovery-mgm/
Reckon Warner would work with Paul again in the future?
yes.
Quote from: Yes on April 29, 2022, 05:18:19 PMYeah, with De Luca out... PTA should beg Focus again lol
Anyway, I had the idea a long time ago about a Bad News Bears riff. Joaquin or Reilly for the coach. Throw in Maya as a parent. He has another excuse for his kids.
Yeah i recently watched that and a league of their own got me wanting a pta baseball film or some type of sports flick.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 13, 2022, 11:46:03 AMQuote from: Yes on April 29, 2022, 05:18:19 PMYeah, with De Luca out... PTA should beg Focus again lol
Anyway, I had the idea a long time ago about a Bad News Bears riff. Joaquin or Reilly for the coach. Throw in Maya as a parent. He has another excuse for his kids.
Yeah i recently watched that and a league of their own got me wanting a pta baseball film or some type of sports flick.
PTA's elliptical, eccentric filmmaking style + baseball = guaranteed box office dynamite over here in the UK.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 06, 2022, 02:38:44 PMhttps://www.thewrap.com/michael-de-luca-pam-abdy-warner-bros-discovery-mgm/
Reckon Warner would work with Paul again in the future?
Probably not. There was a Warner exec that refused to give PTA/Maya Rudolph free tickets to see Fury Road when he found out that they were on a guest list and had them removed.
Quote from: Tdog on May 15, 2022, 08:37:53 AMQuote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 06, 2022, 02:38:44 PMhttps://www.thewrap.com/michael-de-luca-pam-abdy-warner-bros-discovery-mgm/
Reckon Warner would work with Paul again in the future?
Probably not. There was a Warner exec that refused to give PTA/Maya Rudolph free tickets to see Fury Road when he found out that they were on a guest list and had them removed.
Am i missing something because this sounds like a petty thing to do.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 15, 2022, 10:10:09 AMQuote from: Tdog on May 15, 2022, 08:37:53 AMQuote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 06, 2022, 02:38:44 PMhttps://www.thewrap.com/michael-de-luca-pam-abdy-warner-bros-discovery-mgm/
Reckon Warner would work with Paul again in the future?
Probably not. There was a Warner exec that refused to give PTA/Maya Rudolph free tickets to see Fury Road when he found out that they were on a guest list and had them removed.
Am i missing something because this sounds like a petty thing to do.
I remember hearing about that. Clearly he had some enemies over there. Depends if they are still there.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 15, 2022, 10:10:09 AMQuote from: Tdog on May 15, 2022, 08:37:53 AMQuote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 06, 2022, 02:38:44 PMhttps://www.thewrap.com/michael-de-luca-pam-abdy-warner-bros-discovery-mgm/
Reckon Warner would work with Paul again in the future?
Probably not. There was a Warner exec that refused to give PTA/Maya Rudolph free tickets to see Fury Road when he found out that they were on a guest list and had them removed.
Am i missing something because this sounds like a petty thing to do.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there are probably a lot of petty people in Hollywood.
Quote from: Tdog on May 15, 2022, 08:37:53 AMQuote from: DickHardwood2022 on May 06, 2022, 02:38:44 PMhttps://www.thewrap.com/michael-de-luca-pam-abdy-warner-bros-discovery-mgm/
Reckon Warner would work with Paul again in the future?
Probably not. There was a Warner exec that refused to give PTA/Maya Rudolph free tickets to see Fury Road when he found out that they were on a guest list and had them removed.
Lmao studio executives change all the time. Fury Road was 2015. The intent of the WB/DeLuca partnership is to create a banner like a Focus Features which allows for directors like PTA.
Ok guys its been a couple months now so think its time to start predictions for when Paul announces his next film. :yabbse-grin:
I have a feeling we might hear about a project mid to late next year. What do you lot think?
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on July 12, 2022, 01:14:33 PMOk guys its been a couple months now so think its time to start predictions for when Paul announces his next film. :yabbse-grin:
I have a feeling we might hear about a project mid to late next year. What do you lot think?
I posted this last year
Time of announcement:
Licorice Pizza- Nov 12th, 2019 (Phantom Thread released Christmas 2017)
Phantom Thread- June 2nd, 2016 (Inherent Vice released December 2014)
The Master- Dec 2nd, 2009 (There Will Be Blood released December 2007)*Master released September 2012*
(Inherent Vice was revealed very early before Master even happened, so neglected to include that announcement)
So history says announcement October-November 2023 and a 2024 release date. (Since he repeatedly mentioned he was far along on another project before shifting gears to LP, hopefully fall 2022, this year we get word. And then a 2023 release date)
Quote from: Yes on July 12, 2022, 06:58:10 PMQuote from: DickHardwood2022 on July 12, 2022, 01:14:33 PMOk guys its been a couple months now so think its time to start predictions for when Paul announces his next film. :yabbse-grin:
I have a feeling we might hear about a project mid to late next year. What do you lot think?
I posted this last year
Time of announcement:
Licorice Pizza- Nov 12th, 2019 (Phantom Thread released Christmas 2017)
Phantom Thread- June 2nd, 2016 (Inherent Vice released December 2014)
The Master- Dec 2nd, 2009 (There Will Be Blood released December 2007)*Master released September 2012*
(Inherent Vice was revealed very early before Master even happened, so neglected to include that announcement)
So history says announcement October-November 2023 and a 2024 release date. (Since he repeatedly mentioned he was far along on another project before shifting gears to LP, hopefully fall 2022, this year we get word. And then a 2023 release date)
yeah fingers crossed hes got another script ready to go now.
I'm still hoping it's that 60s public access TV project he once mentioned
Quote from: Heisenberg on July 13, 2022, 09:18:46 PMI'm still hoping it's that 60s public access TV project he once mentioned
Oh god I'd love that.
Quote from: Heisenberg on July 13, 2022, 09:18:46 PMI'm still hoping it's that 60s public access TV project he once mentioned
Any chance you have a link to when he mentioned that or an idea of when?
Quote from: Heisenberg on July 13, 2022, 09:18:46 PMI'm still hoping it's that 60s public access TV project he once mentioned
I think that's just something he casually mentioned off the cuff in an article about his Dad. I got the impression the idea was more ofva daydream or a what if.
I will always and forever be hoping the public access tv idea happens.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on July 14, 2022, 09:28:37 AMQuote from: Heisenberg on July 13, 2022, 09:18:46 PMI'm still hoping it's that 60s public access TV project he once mentioned
Any chance you have a link to when he mentioned that or an idea of when?
I tried finding the interview where he said that but it was so long ago I think it got lost in the ether. I want to say it was around the time he was promoting The Master. He said it was like the wild west and everyone was drinking all day between shows. I'm sure the idea was based on stories his dad probably told him.
https://www.cleveland.com/tv/2013/01/ghoulardi_at_50_tim_conway_jim.html
Here it is. From the The Plain Dealer:
"From time to time I've thought about making a film about that era of local TV and the kind of Wild West lawlessness and the things that could happen. When my dad was doing it, it wasn't national, it was local. And it felt like lunch time was drinking time and you could come back to work totally hammered."
Quote from: Pringle on July 16, 2022, 12:41:33 PMhttps://www.cleveland.com/tv/2013/01/ghoulardi_at_50_tim_conway_jim.html
Here it is. From the The Plain Dealer:
"From time to time I've thought about making a film about that era of local TV and the kind of Wild West lawlessness and the things that could happen. When my dad was doing it, it wasn't national, it was local. And it felt like lunch time was drinking time and you could come back to work totally hammered."
nice find. guess its more local tv as appose to public access tv. now doubt he could do something good with both.
I think that part of the pleasure of the announcement of a new PTA movie – especially in recent years – is that the subject matter always seems to come out of left field. A Scientology movie? A drama about British haute couture fashion? A high-school comedy?!
If his next project does end up being something that he or one of his collaborators has already mentioned it would almost be a bit of a letdown, ha.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/comedians-tiffany-haddish-and-aries-spears-accused-of-child-sexual-abuse
Whatever comes of this, who knows if Haddish will be involved now.
When I saw that today I immediately had the exact same thought...
He will just adapt this Daily Beast article and at the end everybody will jump into each other arms and start a business (a comedy club for precocious kids). Oh, and Haddish will start in it, obviously, as herself.
Quote from: Drenk on September 02, 2022, 04:40:59 AMHe will just adapt this Daily Beast article and at the end everybody will jump into each other arms and start a business (a comedy club for precocious kids). Oh, and Haddish will start in it, obviously, as herself.
Really dude?
Even if this is true what has it got to do with PTA in anyway. Plus why is this in a thread for Pauls next film?
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on September 02, 2022, 10:26:39 AMQuote from: Drenk on September 02, 2022, 04:40:59 AMHe will just adapt this Daily Beast article and at the end everybody will jump into each other arms and start a business (a comedy club for precocious kids). Oh, and Haddish will start in it, obviously, as herself.
Really dude?
Even if this is true what has it got to do with PTA in anyway. Plus why is this in a thread for Pauls next film?
In 2021, Drenk saw something entitled Licorice Pizza featuring strange and prickly characters engaged in complex, questionable, potentially self-defeating behaviour. In the 70s, these things were commonly referred to as 'films'. He didn't like it. And now he shitposts.
Anyway, I somewhat doubt that the PTA / Tiffany Haddish collaboration was ever as serious as people made out. It basically boils down to a few favourable comments exchanged publicly in interviews.
And given these awful allegations – for which there appears to be quite a bit of damning evidence, perhaps even video footage – I doubt she'll be appearing in a major motion picture directed by anyone for quite some time...
Edit: I've just seen that Haddish is one of the leads in an upcoming Haunted Mansion Disney family movie. Hoo boy!
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on September 02, 2022, 10:59:27 AMAnyway, I somewhat doubt that the PTA / Tiffany Haddish collaboration was ever as serious as people made out. It basically boils down to a few favourable comments exchanged publicly in interviews.
She did confirm last year that they discussed potential projects (that's where the 30's-Jazz-LA rumor came from), tho seemed like it's been a long time since the last time they talked about it.
But i agree this collab always looked more like a daydream thing. PTA is expressing his love for plenty of actors all the time.
The wait its so long
What do we think PTA's 'late style', to use an auteurist term, will look like? Is LP the first indicator of it?
He hasn't really changed his style with LP, and I believe he won't fundamentally change. Except if, you know, he doesn't get as much money as he's used to, etc.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on September 30, 2022, 10:07:59 AMWhat do we think PTA's 'late style', to use an auteurist term, will look like? Is LP the first indicator of it?
I think his last 6 movies are a decent indicator that he's moving in a dreamier direction. Sydney, boogie, magnolia... that director ain't coming back IMO. I expect more subtle and obtuse films for the rest of his career. Maybe the occasional reach for a crowd pleaser? But mostly narrative/emotional puzzle-box storytelling that won't click with the mainstream and that's ok. Rooting for him to get weirder and weirder.
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2022/10/lj1wvb248n2tzn33bh5188v5r4svca
Guys how real is this
Probably nothing to take seriously since he's starting his own rumor about Denzel W. being rumored for this movie. Also, it's not a big risk to start a rumor about the next PTA movie being one of the two subjects that has been previously mentioned in interviews. This guy is hack. Let's ban his blog from Xixax.
Breaking News: the next Taylor Swift album will be about liking, or missing, your boyfriend.
Quote from: Drenk on October 23, 2022, 11:55:16 AMProbably nothing to take seriously since he's starting his own rumor about Denzel W. being rumored for this movie. Also, it's not a big risk to start a rumor about the next PTA movie being one of the two subjects that has been previously mentioned in interviews. This guy is hack. Let's ban his blog from Xixax.
Breaking News: the next Taylor Swift album will be about liking, or missing, your boyfriend.
I know I know but I want it to be real
I think we've already decided that worldofreel is not to be trusted.
And I remember that this Harlem project had been talked about in this thread somewhere? Not sure if it's possible for Tiffany after what happened to her recently.
That WOR guy is full of s**t. He just recycles months-old news and rumours from more reputable / credible sources as if he had some kind of insider knowledge.
The jazz project would no doubt be cool though. I saw Robert Altman's underrated, oddball, bleak Kansas City recently and as I was watching it I was wondering if it was one of the texts that influenced PTA wanting to take on a project of this kind (assuming that he does!).
Denzel is currently filming the third Equalizer and will reportedly wrap in January, fwiw.
Hear me out...PTA works with quality actors, and also brings out the best in actors people don't put as much faith into.
So...that being said...and purely based on how many professional connections he shares with this person...is there a dramatic role for Andy Samberg in the future of his movies?
* Maya has been in movies with him as well as being SNL alum
* Sandler is tight with the guy
* Joanna Newsom? 'nuff said
* "The Wire" video by Haim
Maybe one of these days...or perhaps they're just bound to be friends. Just curious if anybody has anything to say regarding this potential pairing.
My sense is, at this point in his career, the two leads of Licorice Pizza are the exceptions that prove the rule. The rule being that PTA is comfortable and invigorated collaborating with Oscar-caliber actors who he can push to places that other directors cannot: DDL, Phoenix, Manville, PSH, Adams, Brolin, Penn, Cooper. Those kind of actors want to work with PTA, too. So, together, they have the power to get non-commercial pictures made.
So that's where -- though I fully understand the rumor is without merit -- a collaboration with Denzel would make sense. And he's talked of Olivia Colman. And I'd bet you that he collaborates with Joaquin Phoenix again at some point. Those two just totally share a wavelength. I also think that, if the right project surfaced, PTA and DiCaprio would jump at the chance to finally work together.
Although PTA has also developed a predilection for 'introducing' unknown / up-and-coming actors to a wider audience by giving them major roles in his pictures when they've either never acted before or only in small parts in small pictures: Cooper Hoffman and Alana Haim, but also Vicky Krieps and Katherine Waterston.
https://www.reddit.com/r/blankies/comments/z7sdxy/new_untitled_pta_film_is_casting_hope_this_happens/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf (https://www.reddit.com/r/blankies/comments/z7sdxy/new_untitled_pta_film_is_casting_hope_this_happens/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
NEW PTA FILM IS NOW CASTING
Isn't this one of the audition rumors before Soggy Bottom? Mixed ethnic girl of 15/16 years old, anyone remember this?
Martial arts experience preferred?! Intriguing. PTA gearing up to make a martial arts extravaganza would certainly be an unexpected left turn...
PTA's take on The Karate Kid, perhaps? He likes mentor-mentee dynamics, after all.
Shooting summer 2023. Pretty fast.
https://thefilmstage.com/paul-thomas-anderson-to-shoot-next-film-in-summer-2023/
QuoteThe specific role being cast is for a 15-to-16-year-old female of mixed ethnicity who is "physically athletic and excels at Martial Arts."
So he's gonna cast his daughter? :yabbse-grin: Googling: "How fast can you excel at Martial Arts?"
Maybe it's that script he wrote with Lucy.
Quote from: Drenk on November 29, 2022, 08:09:10 AMShooting summer 2023. Pretty fast.
https://thefilmstage.com/paul-thomas-anderson-to-shoot-next-film-in-summer-2023/
QuoteThe specific role being cast is for a 15-to-16-year-old female of mixed ethnicity who is "physically athletic and excels at Martial Arts."
So he's gonna cast his daughter? :yabbse-grin: Googling: "How fast can you excel at Martial Arts?"
Lol, that did occur to me, too. Tbh, it would be pretty funny if PTA only cast his close friends and immediate family for the rest of his career.
Nice!
Quote from: jzakko on January 01, 2022, 04:50:39 AMI'm pretty sure he's finally making his Mortal Kombat sequel next.
More pertinent than ever.
DDL as Mr Miyagi / Lord Rayden.
Absolutely no idea what's happening or where any of this stuff is going, but wouldn't it be fun if PTA reunited with Samuel L. Jackson for some kind of supporting role?
https://twitter.com/cowspod/status/1598090806493351945 (https://twitter.com/cowspod/status/1598090806493351945)
I'm having trouble processing that, if true.... :shock:
He did describe the other script he had been working on as "bleak".
Anyone know of an LA-set sci-fi novel with a 16-year-old mixed-race female protagonist? Snow crash takes place there and has a young female main character but she's not mixed-race in the book as far as I remember...
I wonder if this will be PTA's first film to feature extensive SFX? Although knowing his sensibility I'm guessing it will be more like Alphaville than The Matrix.
Could it be something like Vineland? Young female protagonist(not mixed race though, but the appearance of female ninjas explains the martial arts requirement), cyberpunk setting prevails a certain part of the story, and weird shit that more or less fits sci-fi genre happens all the time.
Ah, interesting. I also recall him saying that there'd been some sci-fi elements in IV which he ended up taking out. Perhaps he's repurposed them into an original script?
Could be months still before we get any kind of official announcement if it doesn't shoot til next summer.
If the Sci fi element is true, I'm thinking some sort of dystopian future setting. Perhaps there's a plan for this to be out in time for the 2024 election? Like a cautionary tale of where society could be heading?
Martial arts!
Sci-fi!
A story he developed with his daughter!
If it's some Very Serious Tarkovsky/William Gibson flick that comments on society, that's great.
But maybe it's just something ridiculous and fun, too. Which is also fine.
Love this part.... <3
I remember him in an interview a few years talking about how the California drought scared him; I imagine the fires must too. Maybe it's something in that vein but set in the future.
If this is being set up with De Luca at Warner Bros there's every chance it'll be cancelled before it starts shooting, of course, given what a state of disarray they're in over there.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on December 12, 2022, 12:33:53 AMIf this is being set up with De Luca at Warner Bros there's every chance it'll be cancelled before it starts shooting, of course, given what a state of disarray they're in over there.
It feels like PTA isn't just lucky, but has great connections in the industry that make him bulletproof to any economic reality.
Quote from: Drenk on December 12, 2022, 07:49:22 AMQuote from: RudyBlatnoyd on December 12, 2022, 12:33:53 AMIf this is being set up with De Luca at Warner Bros there's every chance it'll be cancelled before it starts shooting, of course, given what a state of disarray they're in over there.
It feels like PTA isn't just lucky, but has great connections in the industry that make him bulletproof to any economic reality.
That's a thumbs up if it's true
Connections (DeLuca) helped him on LP [possibly IV too?], the DDL-draw on PT, luck (Ellison) on the Master etc.
Too early for "will it move forward or not" talk for something that is not even officially announced save for a supposed casting process.
Highly doubt this is being set up at WB. Probably not MGM either. I would guess Focus again.
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1603543874244415489
Source: Jeff Sneider and John Rocha on a podcast? :ponder:
He always wants Leo.
But unfortunately, Leo knows he'll retire once he stars in a financial flop. Maybe he's ready?
(I don't always dislike the guy, so why not?)
Quote from: Drenk on December 15, 2022, 09:43:09 PMHe always wants Leo.
But unfortunately, Leo knows he'll retire once he stars in a financial flop. Maybe he's ready?
(I don't always dislike the guy, so why not?)
By some standards Body of Lies or Revolutionary Road or J. Edgar were that (though I don't agree). But if you mean a real $2 million opening weekend type flop, I don't think that's in the cards for Leo until he's like 70.
Don't forget about Don't Look Up. That's gotta be near the top of biggest Leo flops. Only made about 10% of its budget back. He's clearly not SUPER worried about B.O. just awards.
Quote from: HACKANUT on December 16, 2022, 03:47:28 PMDon't forget about Don't Look Up. That's gotta be near the top of biggest Leo flops. Only made about 10% of its budget back. He's clearly not SUPER worried about B.O. just awards.
I mean... it was a Netflix movie lol. It was always gonna lose money. It's not physically possible to regroup. It's all about subscribers and site traffic anyway. I also doubt he cares much about awards anymore either since he didn't attend the SAG or BAFTAs when he was last nominated. I think he just wants to work with the big name directors (Scorsese, QT, Clint Eastwood) or do projects he personally relates to (Don't Look Up with climate change). Most of the time those do converge.
PTA is certainly a name Leo would love to add to his resume but we'll see
I wonder if PTA is even slightly worried considering the performance Babylon which is turning out to be a disaster on the level on Heaven's Gate
Speaking of Babylon, I feel like there is an essay to be written on how it and Boogie Nights are almost literally the exact same film set in different time periods. I even noticed entire sequences that were, almost shot for shot, identical to moments in Boogie Nights. Between that and La La Land often referencing PDL, I think its safe to say that PTA is a huge influence on Damien Chazelle. But yeah, unfortunately the performance of Babylon and The Fabelmans has me a bit concerned about these kinds of films continuing to get theatrical releases in the future.
Well considering an AppleTV movie got Best Picture, it wouldn't be far fetched to imagine a scenario where a film of his gets predominately streaming-positioned and still scores noms.
You know the line: "Somehow Palpatine has returned."
You can adapt that line to PTA's career. He hasn't made money for studios in a while. That's business as usual for our guy.
As long as movies other than blockbusters will be released in theaters, he'll get his movies there. He can use the limited release to delay streaming, too.
I'm curious about the budget of his next movie, though. Forty millions for Licorice Pizza seems wild in 2020. He may get more money...somehow...
We're definitely at the point where PTA is to other directors what Altman was to PTA.
That said, Altman was 54 (2 years old than PTA is now) when he made arguably his peak film (Nashville).
One of Altman's strengths was possibly one of PTA's weak points: Capturing the zeitgeist of the now.
Or is the NOW just too absurd and decisive, compared to, say, 1975, for it to be tackled on film in a way other than how Rian Johnson comments upon it.
I feel like we're definitely seeing the now reflected in a myriad of succesful filmmakers. Hamaguchi, Safdies, Petzold, Joachim Trier, Noe, there's definitely a long list that could be drawn up I think.
Maybe just not from PTA's generation? That 90s bunch does seem to trade in period pieces often lately. But I also think it must be a treat to recreate other time periods with care when you can get that budget.
I know this guy is not necessarily the most trustworthy so sorry for bumping this but still... felt worth mentioning.
https://twitter.com/theinsneider/status/1628909087378538496?s=46&t=214hBO7bYqfjDVDOImI8Bw
Quote from: Lots of Bees on February 23, 2023, 07:51:01 PMI know this guy is not necessarily the most trustworthy so sorry for bumping this but still... felt worth mentioning.
https://twitter.com/theinsneider/status/1628909087378538496?s=46&t=214hBO7bYqfjDVDOImI8Bw
Sneider confirms that the film is indeed a father/daughter story and daughter is involved in martial arts (ala the casting call report). He THEORIZES Greene appears briefly ala Cooper in Licorice Pizza training the daughter considering she is/was indeed a trainer at Crossfit. He mentions the rumors heard such as its about current GOP state cannot be confirmed
DiCaprio as some sort of sleazy, disreputable GOP candidate/representative would no doubt be amazing.
I think the chances are higher that there is a character inspired by her than actually having her in the film, though he was fine using Peters and Wachs in name.
If any of these grains are true, do we still think there's a chance Denzel could be the father? That was the vibe that just seemed to have the greatest legs during the past year, given the amount of mutual respect they've displayed. Denzel strikes me as absolutely being at the point where he chooses roles/collaborators he's passionate about, above anything else.
Also, if the huge grains of salt are true, that would make this his first film set in modern day since Punch-Drunk Love.
One thing that's stuck in my head is that PTA is now roughly the same age Altman was when he made Nashville, a sprawling, shaggy tale that was absolutely in touch with the political zeitgeist of the moment. (Full credit to Joan Tewkesbury for that, too)
If this is true, it further fuels my speculation that this is going to be about what PTA(and many more of us) fear might happen. I think the rumor about the Sci fi angle means it's taking place in a future dystopian fascist vision of America.
Another tiny thought that crossed my mind as we ruminate upon various grains of salt. If this is a deeply political movie, it's going to make more sense from at least a couple perspectives to have it released prior to November 2024
I think that's why it's shooting this summer.
I'm doubtful that PTA is going to suddenly turn into Adam McKay or Ruben Östlund (god forbid!) and make an on-the-nose political satire about America's current predicament, even if it probably would help his Oscar chances. I imagine it will be as oblique as all his recent work. A family drama about a bunch of weirdos associated with a gym, perhaps...
What do we think of this from reddit?
QuoteOn the latest Hot Mic episode, Jeff Sneider received more info on the PTA project. He's hearing that he is developing two films. One of which is the father daughter story. The other is about veterans in their 50s.
Quote from: ono on March 02, 2023, 10:04:38 PMWhat do we think of this from reddit?
QuoteOn the latest Hot Mic episode, Jeff Sneider received more info on the PTA project. He's hearing that he is developing two films. One of which is the father daughter story. The other is about veterans in their 50s.
To be honest and i could be wrong but has Jeff ever given info on a PTA project that turned out to be true?
First time poster, long time lurker. Take it with a grain of salt, but got an update via Hollywood insider account this morning that reads - "Regina Hall, Rachael Taylor, Joaquin Phoenix, Viggo Mortensen are all in talks to join the cast of Paul Thomas Anderson's next film. Movie is about a young black girl who trains in martial arts. Leo DiCaprio is in talks to play her mentor."
Who knows if it's true, but this account has been spot on lately with other casting announcements before the trades.
Since it's all just smoke & grains of salt, I'll add that Rachael Taylor could certainly pull off the "younger Marjorie Taylor Greene but not ACTUALLY Marjorie Taylor Greene" inspired-by cameo.
These new names brought up and the plot are so random it almost has to be true. however all it takes is for some people to just say random shit and get us all going, so who knows.
I think all of us were surprised when we first heard Pau was making a "fashion" film and look how that turned out. So is him potentially doing some sort of martial arts films that out there.
Joaquin and Viggo together in a PTA movie? That would be verrrry nice.
I'm mostly confused as to who Rachael Taylor is and why she would be listed before Joaquin and Viggo.
I haven't read Vineland (though I'm guessing it's just inspiring this new project) but Leo, Joaquin *and* Viggo all being in this seems a bit difficult to believe. Maybe 2 out of those 3.
Assuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
Quote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
Quote from: gaucho_marx on March 10, 2023, 03:34:42 PMQuote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
"Female 14 year old karate kid" is literally the main character of the novel
Quote from: Vicko99 on March 10, 2023, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: gaucho_marx on March 10, 2023, 03:34:42 PMQuote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
"Female 14 year old karate kid" is literally the main character of the novel
No it's not
Quote from: Pringle on March 10, 2023, 05:02:55 PMQuote from: Vicko99 on March 10, 2023, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: gaucho_marx on March 10, 2023, 03:34:42 PMQuote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
"Female 14 year old karate kid" is literally the main character of the novel
No it's not
I've only read part of the book, but is Zoyd not the main character? He's been in every page I've read so far. Does Prairie completely take over the book or something?
Quote from: Lempwick on March 10, 2023, 06:32:41 PMQuote from: Pringle on March 10, 2023, 05:02:55 PMQuote from: Vicko99 on March 10, 2023, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: gaucho_marx on March 10, 2023, 03:34:42 PMQuote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
"Female 14 year old karate kid" is literally the main character of the novel
No it's not
I've only read part of the book, but is Zoyd not the main character? He's been in every page I've read so far. Does Prairie completely take over the book or something?
Pretty much
Quote from: Lempwick on March 10, 2023, 06:32:41 PMQuote from: Pringle on March 10, 2023, 05:02:55 PMQuote from: Vicko99 on March 10, 2023, 03:56:30 PMQuote from: gaucho_marx on March 10, 2023, 03:34:42 PMQuote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
"Female 14 year old karate kid" is literally the main character of the novel
No it's not
I've only read part of the book, but is Zoyd not the main character? He's been in every page I've read so far. Does Prairie completely take over the book or something?
Yes, mainly Prairie and some other people in her life.
Quote from: gaucho_marx on March 10, 2023, 03:34:42 PMQuote from: itwasgood on March 10, 2023, 11:38:00 AMAssuming by the logic of the hypothesis that it's Vineland adaptation, Viggo would make a great Brock Vond. Though Joaquin as Zoyd maybe? would more or less be Doc Sportello all over again. Leo as "the mentor" seems confusing because I don't think there's such male character in Vineland.
I can't remember where the 'PTA is going to adapt Vineland' talk stems from but it has always seemed like a reach for me. Especially pretty much nothing about the current rumor mill seems to suggest it? It's been a while since I read Vineland but I don't remember a 14 yr old female karate kid character. If anything maybe he's taken some of the vibe and themes of Vineland and will be doing his own thing with it sorta like TWBB. Maybe he's been mulling over Reagonomics and tube addicted weirdos in Southern California in the 80s.
The theory started at "martial arts" and developed by people after a rumor of this new thing being a sci-fi film. There are female ninja characters which are instrumental to Prairie's storyline and with the cyberpunk tinge of the novel it could fit the sci-fi rumor. But yes, some of the rumors seem to fit and some don't. I guess it's possible that Vineland could be only one of its inspirations.
It really surprises me that PTA isn't doing his usual "contrast to the previous film" thing, this sounds even more zany and caricaturesque than LP
I have a hard time believing he's doing another Pynchon adaptation after IV was so poorly received. It might be inspired by Vineland, but it's most likely an original story.
He was nominated for an Oscar for Inherent Vice and it has a pretty big cult following. It flopped at the box office, but that's not particularly unique for PTA. I don't know if "poorly received" is a fair label for IV. It's his weakest received work overall for sure, but I don't think it has some awful reputation that would make him embarrassed or weird about it. The only film he's openly embarrassed about is Magnolia.
I don't mean he wouldn't want to do it, I just think it would be really difficult to convince a studio to get behind it.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 14, 2023, 07:59:22 PMI just think it would be really difficult to convince a studio to get behind it.
Which is probably where Leo factors in.
According to PRODUCTION WEEKLY, this stars Leo, Joaquin, Regina Hall and Viggo Mortenson.
I'm going to wait until the trades confirm this. Having trouble buying this for some reason.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrTqjo9XwAATT4f?format=jpg&name=large
Yeah, I think waiting for the trades is a safe bet, but this is definitely interesting.
https://twitter.com/jasonosia/status/1636190465639718921?s=46&t=0fgkcwEi8su-nm9RaGk0ow
The PRODUCTION WEEKLY entry being cited as the source of the latest casting 'news'.
Hmm, "mentioned" not "confirmed"...
And also I've read some Joaquin fans indicating that he's not going to be available in July.
Joaquín's role might be small or even just a one-scene thing, so perhaps he can fit it around whatever else he's doing then?
Although I agree that this list of actors reads suspiciously like some 'dream PTA cast' thread on Twitter and is therefore hard to take seriously.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 16, 2023, 02:53:41 AMAlthough I agree that this list of actors reads suspiciously like some 'dream PTA cast' thread on Twitter and is therefore hard to take seriously.
Just add Robert DeNiro and the list is complete based on rumours over the years.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 16, 2023, 02:51:15 AMJoaquín's role might be small or even just a one-scene thing, so perhaps he can fit it around whatever else he's doing then?
Right, like Jon Peters role in LP maybe, but I don't know if Joaquin would be interested in small roles? He barely even takes supporting roles now. That's what's skeptical about this casting rumor to me because I don't know if it's possible that either Leo or Joaquin would say yes to anything less than male lead.
Theres people online thinking Charlize Theron is in it now haha
You all understand we won't know for sure who is in this (especially the minor roles) unless we spot them in set photos, right?
Quote from: pynchonikon on March 16, 2023, 08:33:48 AMYou all understand we won't know for sure who is in this (especially the minor roles) unless we spot them in set photos, right?
Yeah if its anything like the licorice pizza production we will need spies to find stuff out.
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on March 16, 2023, 07:56:48 AMTheres people online thinking Charlize Theron is in it now haha
Wait, where? I haven't seen that one anywhere.
IF Phoenix is just a Bradley Cooper-esque cameo and IF this is inspired by "Vineland" and IF PTA retains the early 1980s setting, is it possible that Phoenix could be reprising Doc Sportello?
Quote from: Find Your Magali on March 16, 2023, 11:22:10 AMIF Phoenix is just a Bradley Cooper-esque cameo and IF this is inspired by "Vineland" and IF PTA retains the early 1980s setting, is it possible that Phoenix could be reprising Doc Sportello?
Ha! Was thinking about the same thing. There's indeed a few characters from Inherent Vice appearing in Vineland. Would love a Pynchonverse in PTA films.
I mean, if he agreed to play Joker again...
Quote from: Find Your Magali on March 16, 2023, 11:22:10 AMIF Phoenix is just a Bradley Cooper-esque cameo and IF this is inspired by "Vineland" and IF PTA retains the early 1980s setting, is it possible that Phoenix could be reprising Doc Sportello?
It would be more likely that Phoenix would be playing Zoyd, who is essentially Doc.
Zoyd = Doc, Brock = Bigfoot, Frenesi = Shasta.
The more likely scenario, if any of these rumours are true, is that PTA is borrowing the "14 year Martial Artist" character from Vineland, like he's borrowed other things from Pynchon before.
If this all turns out to be generally true, I'll be psyched about DiCaprio but bummed we're not (yet) getting a collaboration with Denzel Washington. I think he'd be amazing in a PTA script.
Thought for sure we would hear something by now. I'm guessing something will break by the end of April
We'll probably just start seeing leaked set photos like with LP and PT in order to get confirmation on casting and whatnot.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 07, 2023, 05:37:11 PMWe'll probably just start seeing leaked set photos like with LP and PT in order to get confirmation on casting and whatnot.
Good point
I was so hoping Jeff's big rumor today on the hot mic would be a PTA scoop but no
Quote from: kingfan011 on April 13, 2023, 07:42:48 PMI was so hoping Jeff's big rumor today on the hot mic would be a PTA scoop but no
Im still waiting for ANY of Jeffs scoops to be right in anyway haha
More rumours out there that the film might cast Vicky Krieps, Harriet Sansom Harris, and Jack Champion.
Getting Vicky and especially Harriet back would be a dream. Ive only seen Jack in Avatar 2 he was alright i guess always interesting to see PTA working with different people.
However like the other casting rumours it could all be bollocks haha.
Hi everyone,
(I hope my message don't bother you, otherwise I will delete it.)
After London last year and the House of Woodcock, I plan to come to LA at the end of July. (Hope to maybe see Paul at work !) I know some of you know well the city and I would like to know if you have great non tourist and cinema (or even PTA) related places to go to in LA (movie sets, cinemas, restaurants, shops,...) and maybe if one of you want/can we could even meet up one day !
Thanks for your replies. :-D
A juicy Harriet Sansom Harris cameo makes the most sense. Even with just the two appearances, it feels like she's become of the regulars, like back in the day. And given that she's back to filming regularly and it seems they're shooting in California, it wouldn't be hard to arrange a couple days on set.
With the strike starting and most likely lasting for a while I wonder if this still goes forward. I'm assuming the script is completed if its in pre prod.
Yea im just going to assume it will effect it in some way .i think it will make the waiting process for his next film easier if i just dont think to much about it and tell myself if its coming out it will at some point.
If it shoots this fall, it might still be released next fall.
Over on the redditt page they are definitely saying its definitely postponing in solidarity with WGA. My question is whenever the strike is over which will probably be awhile does he still have his actors or does he have to recast or pause again
Quote from: kingfan011 on May 05, 2023, 10:54:32 AMOver on the redditt page they are definitely saying its definitely postponing in solidarity with WGA. My question is whenever the strike is over which will probably be awhile does he still have his actors or does he have to recast or pause again
Well to be honest seeing as the strike could go on for a long time alot could change and the production could be heavily affected.
Im just going to assume we wont get his next film for a very long time
Are any other high-profile films shooting this summer stopping production?
It's too early to be sure about anything.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on May 05, 2023, 12:11:15 PMAre any other high-profile films shooting this summer stopping production?
Tarantinos and eastwoods new films
With the speculation that there is a political angle to the film and it might be meant to release close to an election, maybe he preps something else instead and saves this one for another time(like 2026 or 2028).
There's also the not-small matter that the DGA negotiations might be kind of tense
PTA's New Film Will Be Impacted By Writer's Strike (https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/5/k1emy2k4ketsbgh9grv009jfioqok0)
I'm hearing some concerning things in regards to the timeline of Paul Thomas Anderson's upcoming untitled project. The writer's strike might have delayed the summer shoot planned for the film.
According to my source, for the time being, the strike has halted progress on the film, which originally had set-up a July production date. It'll all depend how long the strike goes on for.
There are no updates on whether the script had even been completed but, my source says, PTA is tentatively postponing production. Even with a completed screenplay, he tends to do rewrites during the shooting of his films and that is not at all possible given the current rules.
Strike rules state that as a member of the WGA, PTA would not be able to make any changes while on set. This same person tells me that PTA "is absolutely supportive of the strike and will do whatever he can to support it."
This could, in effect, shake up the actors involved in the film as well. Rumored so far have been Leonardo Dicaprio, Viggo Mortensen and Regina Hall. Obviously, I doubt any AI will be used here — thank the cinematic heavens for that.
We'll just have to wait and see now. There's nothing more to it. Plenty of other productions are in the same position. I wouldn't be surprised if Clint Eastwood's "Juror #2," set to shoot this summer, also gets delayed. Ditto Tarantino's "The Movie Critic" set for an early fall shoot.
These are very peculiar times right now in the industry. As writers strike, there's also an unknown change occurring, not just with the playing around with AI but also with studios second-guessing upcoming projects, especially non-IP ones.
What I do know is that signs are pointing to the strike not ending anytime soon.
Quote from: Heisenberg on May 05, 2023, 03:00:27 PMWith the speculation that there is a political angle to the film and it might be meant to release close to an election, maybe he preps something else instead and saves this one for another time(like 2026 or 2028).
But is he actually "allowed" to write anything during a WGA strike? Tarantino's not a member of the guild, so unless the other guilds go on strike, he could still theoretically shoot his movie this fall unless the other guilds follow suit. If PTA managed to get DiCaprio onboard for this Vineland-seeming thing, delaying it for months could be a disaster if DiCaprio was also circling QT's The Movie Critic and Scorsese's The Wager (if that's actually in development).
Quote from: wilberfan on May 05, 2023, 08:55:17 PMPTA's New Film Will Be Impacted By Writer's Strike (https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/5/k1emy2k4ketsbgh9grv009jfioqok0)
I'm hearing some concerning things in regards to the timeline of Paul Thomas Anderson's upcoming untitled project. The writer's strike might have delayed the summer shoot planned for the film.
According to my source, for the time being, the strike has halted progress on the film, which originally had set-up a July production date. It'll all depend how long the strike goes on for.
There are no updates on whether the script had even been completed but, my source says, PTA is tentatively postponing production. Even with a completed screenplay, he tends to do rewrites during the shooting of his films and that is not at all possible given the current rules.
Strike rules state that as a member of the WGA, PTA would not be able to make any changes while on set. This same person tells me that PTA "is absolutely supportive of the strike and will do whatever he can to support it."
This could, in effect, shake up the actors involved in the film as well. Rumored so far have been Leonardo Dicaprio, Viggo Mortensen and Regina Hall. Obviously, I doubt any AI will be used here — thank the cinematic heavens for that.
We'll just have to wait and see now. There's nothing more to it. Plenty of other productions are in the same position. I wouldn't be surprised if Clint Eastwood's "Juror #2," set to shoot this summer, also gets delayed. Ditto Tarantino's "The Movie Critic" set for an early fall shoot.
These are very peculiar times right now in the industry. As writers strike, there's also an unknown change occurring, not just with the playing around with AI but also with studios second-guessing upcoming projects, especially non-IP ones.
What I do know is that signs are pointing to the strike not ending anytime soon.
From what i can tell worldofreels "source" seems to be people on reddit speculating in the PTA subreddit. While i believe the strike will impact the film i cant take that site serious one bit.
Quote from: Lempwick on May 05, 2023, 09:05:54 PMQuote from: Heisenberg on May 05, 2023, 03:00:27 PMWith the speculation that there is a political angle to the film and it might be meant to release close to an election, maybe he preps something else instead and saves this one for another time(like 2026 or 2028).
But is he actually "allowed" to write anything during a WGA strike? Tarantino's not a member of the guild, so unless the other guilds go on strike, he could still theoretically shoot his movie this fall unless the other guilds follow suit. If PTA managed to get DiCaprio onboard for this Vineland-seeming thing, delaying it for months could be a disaster if DiCaprio was also circling QT's The Movie Critic and Scorsese's The Wager (if that's actually in development).
He's a WGA member, so he wouldn't be working on anything until the strike is over. I haven't heard about DiCaprio circling The Movie Critic and I think The Wager is at least a couple of years away from happening, if at all.
PTA is going to fully support the strike. So that's really the only operative factor at this point. Shooting schedule, cast, release date, etc., are all subject to re-examination after the strike is over. Possibly even the budget he gets. Stinks, but that's life.
It would be so funny if he declined to support the strike because streaming movies are not real films.
Viggo Mortensen now signed up for a David Mamet film that's scheduled to start shooting in early September. I think we're going to see folks start lining people up for autumn shoots, assuming that (1) the summer will be a wash, (2) those are the dates that can get locked in now if they want to shoot this year.
If the Licorice Pizza situation is any indication, PTA will try to start filming as soon as he can.
This can still be a '24 release.
Quote from: pynchonikon on May 15, 2023, 11:06:55 AMIf the Licorice Pizza situation is any indication, PTA will try to start filming as soon as he can.
This can still be a '24 release.
he wont be filming while the strike is going on though will he?
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on May 15, 2023, 04:13:05 PMQuote from: pynchonikon on May 15, 2023, 11:06:55 AMIf the Licorice Pizza situation is any indication, PTA will try to start filming as soon as he can.
This can still be a '24 release.
he wont be filming while the strike is going on though will he?
No, but assuming the strike is over by the fall, it could start shooting by then and still make a fall or winter date next year. Or he could do a quick turnaround like with Phantom Thread and still make December '24 if it shoots early next year, unless it's a bigger production.
I agree that he could shoot this fall and release the fourth quarter of 2024.
The questions are whether his preferred cast is available this fall, and if he'd wait -- or recast -- if they are not.
Sneider mentioned Taylour Paige (Zola).
Maybe for flashbacks as young Regina Hall? Why not.
I thought we all came to the agreement that Sneider's entirely untrustworthy on PTA leaks
Production Weekly this week.
Quote from: wilberfan on May 28, 2023, 12:07:21 AMProduction Weekly this week.
Looks like it's the exact same message that they included with the last one, but with a mention of possible strike-related pre-production delays, right?
I know this won't happen till whenever the strike stops but I wish some more info about what it is would leak out
Quote from: kingfan011 on June 20, 2023, 04:28:10 PMI know this won't happen till whenever the strike stops but I wish some more info about what it is would leak out
yeah me too. its be pretty quiet round here lately.
https://twitter.com/mccrabb_will/status/1671592926915489793
Quote from: Lots of Bees on June 21, 2023, 05:47:20 PMhttps://twitter.com/mccrabb_will/status/1671592926915489793
I would love for this to be true but everyone knows Anderson does extensive rewrites and improv during shooting and I imagine that can't happen with the strike
According to IndieWire's Eric Kohn, this is going to be a Warner Brothers film and supposedly stars Viggo Mortenson, Joaquin Phoenix and Regina Hall. I wouldn't be surprised if the casting rumors are from the same sources we've already sited here, but the WB info is new and makes sense seeing how PTA was on the call with Zaslav about TCM earlier this week and De Luca's involvement with WB now.
Other than the Warner Bros connection, that info about the film seems like an aggregation of past rumors, and not new reporting/confirmation.
Also, the story doesn't mention DiCaprio, but the tweet from Discussing Film just randomly adds DiCaprio.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on June 24, 2023, 08:48:41 PMOther than the Warner Bros connection, that info about the film seems like an aggregation of past rumors, and not new reporting/confirmation.
Also, the story doesn't mention DiCaprio, but the tweet from Discussing Film just randomly adds DiCaprio.
yeah thats why twitter is shite most of the time. theres people same just saying that is the cast and not even saying its a rumour.
i hope all the actors that have been mentioned end up in it but im not holding my breath at all.
Apparently, it may have already started shooting in Mexico.
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/6/pfivh227cjnq0lsr72zl5ckalvs2o0
It wouldn't surprise me if these rumors are true.
I know a lot of people are sure that he wouldn't shoot during the strike, but I don't believe the rules are as strict as they think. As long as large portions of the script aren't changed it's fine. Improv is prohibited if it would result in someone receiving a writing credit that wouldn't otherwise (as might be the case with Ryan Reynolds in Deadpool, or staff writers on a studio comedy) but that has never been the case on a PTA film. Otherwise, small changes in dialogue, adjusting the location of a scene, etc — those types of changes are fine. Wes gave an interview recently where he said he's going ahead and shooting his new film, strike or not — it doesn't mean he doesn't support the WGA, it just doesn't apply to his working process.
Also, if there are parts of the script that he wants to be more free with changing on the day, maybe he will just shoot those portions last. There are ways for him to go about this that don't stop him from starting now.
But isn't the actors' guild strike about to start in a matter of days? How will that work?
Yeah true, if that goes through everything will be delayed.
Obviously, take this with a huge grain of salt.
A user over at the subreddit for The Smile met Jonny Greenwood after a show last night. He managed to have a quick chat with Jonny, who said he was currently working on a score for a new PTA short.
Quote from: Fitzroy on July 04, 2023, 03:15:10 PMObviously, take this with a huge grain of salt.
A user over at the subreddit for The Smile met Jonny Greenwood after a show last night. He managed to have a quick chat with Jonny, who said he was currently working on a score for a new PTA short.
Guess its possible hes shorting a short if he has to wait for the strike to be over.
That's cool! Really hope it's true, Anima remains one of the better movies on Netflix.
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on July 04, 2023, 04:02:42 PMQuote from: Fitzroy on July 04, 2023, 03:15:10 PMObviously, take this with a huge grain of salt.
A user over at the subreddit for The Smile met Jonny Greenwood after a show last night. He managed to have a quick chat with Jonny, who said he was currently working on a score for a new PTA short.
Guess its possible hes shorting a short if he has to wait for the strike to be over.
That's cool! Really hope it's true, Anima remains one of the better movies on Netflix.
According to the latest ProdWeekly issue, filming moved to February '24.
Fully expected too bad though
Quote from: pynchonikon on July 06, 2023, 04:31:18 AMAccording to the latest ProdWeekly issue, filming moved to February '24.
Obviously this cast, as rumored, could be difficult to keep together, especially if people are trying to get 100 projects rolling at once after the strike(s).
I'd heard 2 or 3 months earlier for a start date. We'll see.
Either way, Warner Bros. probably would like this to be their end of year oscar contender for 2024. I mean, that has to be the reason they're getting behind it. I'm guessing shooting will actually start by November or December.
Who does it list as the rumored cast? Is it a copy/paste of an earlier entry?
Quote from: Lempwick on July 06, 2023, 08:42:14 PMWho does it list as the rumored cast? Is it a copy/paste of an earlier entry?
Reads like an amalgam of the rumors.
"Leonardo DiCaprio, Regina Hall, Rachael Taylor, and Viggo mortensen mentioned for the leads. Taylou Paige, Vicky Krieps, Harriet Sansom Harris, and Jack Champion also mentioned for roles"
I know nothing is happening because of the strike but it was so fun hearing little trickles of rumors. I miss that.
Looks like DiCaprio is doing Scorsese's The Wager next
Depending on when The Wager starts shooting, Leo could still be doing the PTA project too.
Yeah, Scorsese projects usually take a long time to gestate, so assuming The Wager doesn't even have a finished script yet and assuming that PTA's next film is ready to go when the strikes end and assuming Leo is in it, then he could easily shoot the PTA in early 2024 and the Scorsese in late 2024 or 2025.
To be fair guys do we even know if the talk about Leo being in the film is even something we can trust or is it still just rumours?
I think all that's really known about this project to a certainty is that at some point PTA put out a casting call for a mixed-race teen with martial arts skills.
And, if they ever picked someone, and depending on what they have in mind, that teenager could age out of the role by the time shooting starts.
So with the SAG strike looking to end somewhat soon hopefully we'll start getting more tidbits on this
It may well be accurate, but we've officially reached the Jordan Ruimy recycling his own PTA/DiCaprio scuttlebutt stage of the actors strike
Cigs & Red Vines is implying Leo's involved too. (https://twitter.com/cigsandredvines/status/1715518633408090235)
Quote from: Rooty Poots on October 20, 2023, 11:44:01 PMCigs & Red Vines is implying Leo's involved too. (https://twitter.com/cigsandredvines/status/1715518633408090235)
Then they source old rumors from Production Weekly, which I think ultimately came from WorldofReel and Jeff Sneider....
https://twitter.com/cigsandredvines/status/1715558937024696832
I guess you guys have seen that already but in case you have not:
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/11/7/122xuvq1mni1urs7gpsmirw3a9rg3y
Still the same source and not much more but at least SOMETHING.
Did not recognize PTA at first on this poster thing.
If they wrap by late February/early March, you could certainly see Christmas 2024 in play.
Otherwise, are we waiting all the way until .... Christmas 2025??
Come on ones in the know you must have some more new details
Quote from: Find Your Magali on November 08, 2023, 01:48:07 PMIf they wrap by late February/early March, you could certainly see Christmas 2024 in play.
Otherwise, are we waiting all the way until .... Christmas 2025??
OTOH the second half of 2024 is going to be so STUFFED with stuff that got pushed back by the strike that they probably won't want to force PTA into that mix. So second half of 2025 it is, likely. Two years. Sigh.
More "details"...
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/11/8/9bknu6zqg2amke87vqqljaamoqq81z
Some additional details on Paul Thomas Anderson's next film can be found via Daniel Richtman's Patreon page.
I would like to believe that what Richtman has here is accurate information. In the past, he's been more right than wrong with his intel. The details given surely hint at PTA adapting Thomas Pynchon's "Vineland," which has been the hot rumor for months now.
It will be about a young girl of Mixed Ethnicity, Junior High/Freshman Student who is physically athletic and excels at Martial Arts. Leonardo DiCaprio is attached to play her mentor.
Regina Hall is attached to play DL CHASTAIN, a martial arts expert and ninja. She is the daughter of a military family that moves around the world. While in Japan, she is approached by a martial arts instructor who teaches her the secret ways of the ninja, including how to kill with a touch that takes a year to work.
She is recruited by mobster Ralph Wayvone to assassinate Brock Vond while posing as a prostitute, but accidentally gives the death touch to Takeshi Fumimota, who has been sent in Vond's place after the plot was discovered.
Back in late November, PTA's producer and casting director, Cassandra Kulukundis, posted a casting call that was looking for a "teenage girl who excels at Martial Arts".
PTA has mentioned the novel, "Vineland," numerous times over the years, and in a 2014 Time Out interview he even insinuated that he tried to script it: "I'd wanted to adapt "Vineland", but I never had the courage. It seemed to be a great way to translate [Pynchon] into a movie.
He's called the novel "borderline pathological" in another interview with IndieWire. Here's PTA elaborating on his unadorned love for Pynchon:
"I am the type of person who hears there's a new Pynchon book, and I will go to the Internet five times a minute to see what new information there is. I am that pathological about it. So, when I heard there was a new book, I was just waiting and waiting for it to come out."
Pynchon's "Inherent Vice" was already turned by PTA into a polarizing 2014 film. He's been citing the author's many novels since the '90s. There was no reason to brush off the theory that he'd want to adapt Pynchon again and, if Richtman is correct, then another one is coming very soon.
I'm not buying the Vineland rumours. Obviously he does have a project ready to go, but the assumption that it's Vineland appears to be based on nothing except the fact that we know PTA likes the novel and that casting call for a teen martial artist. From those scant facts, WOR and others have seemingly done a quick scan of the synopsis of Vineland and are passing it off as a 'scoop' about his next feature.
Having said that, if the premise really is as wild as that article suggests then I am definitely intrigued (although obviously I'm intrigued regardless, it's a new PTA film!).
Based on Richtman's report, it's highly probable he just borrows the premise of the book, focus on certain aspects of the story that he finds interesting and do his own thing.
Which is potentially more intriguing than trying to make another deferential Pynchon adaptation to the letter.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on November 09, 2023, 03:45:44 AMI'm not buying the Vineland rumours. Obviously he does have a project ready to go, but the assumption that it's Vineland appears to be based on nothing except the fact that we know PTA likes the novel and that casting call for a teen martial artist. From those scant facts, WOR and others have seemingly done a quick scan of the synopsis of Vineland and are passing it off as a 'scoop' about his next feature.
Having said that, if the premise really is as wild as that article suggests then I am definitely intrigued (although obviously I'm intrigued regardless, it's a new PTA film!).
I feel like the Vineland thing was a game of telephone that happened because some of us here thought the casting call sounded vaguely like a character from the book, the dirtsheets/rumour mill took our speculation and reported it, then we took the rumour mill's writing (which was our idea) and the cycle kept repeating itself.
The incomplete Richtman premise sounds like "Get Shorty"-level Elmore Leonard infused with some Tarantino shenanigans.
Which is to say, color me skeptical.
I keep thinking back to those weird rumors of a Marjorie Taylor Greene character and wondering if there's anything to that. It almost seems too bonkers and off-the-wall to be nothing.
The question is: if PTA makes it at Warner Bros, will we ever get to see it, or will it be shut in a vault for a tax write-off by David Zaslav, one of the USA's most thoroughly objectionable public figures?
Having a "The Other Side of the Wind" lost movie is definitely the missing piece from PTA's auteur resume. Can you imagine decades of chatter about "That Paul Thomas Anderson/Leonardo DiCaprio film no one has seen"?
Bring it on, I'll wait.
As rumoured a few months ago, new The Smile short / music video, directed by PTA, coming next week.
https://twitter.com/ThePCCLondon/status/1723452789303415189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsqqjOxEuAg
We really need a Thom Yorke cameo in a future PTA film.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on November 13, 2023, 12:39:20 PMWe really need a Thom Yorke cameo in a future PTA film.
He should've popped up in Licorice Pizza as a Brit musician client of Gary's!
In another life, Yorke might've been a great English character actor.
In the background of The Boards party in IV woulda been cool too ~
No fair its December I want some new info!
Let em cook ~
Saw this in the comment section of the report of Leo's secretive new film. Is this the real screen capture from Production Weekly or something fabricated?
https://x.com/therealmrdon/status/1734638897001316823?s=46&t=0fgkcwEi8su-nm9RaGk0ow
Quote from: itwasgood on December 12, 2023, 01:48:58 PMSaw this in the comment section of the report of Leo's secretive new film. Is this the real screen capture from Production Weekly or something fabricated?
https://x.com/therealmrdon/status/1734638897001316823?s=46&t=0fgkcwEi8su-nm9RaGk0ow
Could be real but its from July so its not a new update.
I'm willing to bet that it is indeed the PTA flick that Leo's signed up for, but I still don't think it's Vineland. That Production Weekly plot synopsis is suspiciously long and spoiler-ific imo.
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on December 12, 2023, 02:28:44 PMQuote from: itwasgood on December 12, 2023, 01:48:58 PMSaw this in the comment section of the report of Leo's secretive new film. Is this the real screen capture from Production Weekly or something fabricated?
https://x.com/therealmrdon/status/1734638897001316823?s=46&t=0fgkcwEi8su-nm9RaGk0ow
Could be real but its from July so its not a new update.
Turns out it's from a Production Weekly from last month (according to someone who posted it on Twitter).
Are the Production Weekly blurbs that detailed?
Is it possible that it's real but Paul wrote it to pull our legs?
Anyone heard any more rumblings regarding this?
I heard he's frantically prepping, which is a "duh", of course. A Feb start date was the last we heard.
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1745128384567652486
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1745135251351842877
& more info on filming
https://twitter.com/jpraup/status/1745140649450463692
Whoa! We have finally reached the "THIS NOT A DRILL" stage.
So possibly (probably) no Phoenix or Mortensen. I wonder if Penn is taking whatever role one of them was speculated for.
Of course, we don't know anything about the plot. I think there's a good chance those loglines that circulated in the trades are misdirection bunk.
HUGE budget (of course, inflation might make that jump look higher than it really is)
I suppose we should start making plans for Late Fall 2025, lol.
Very happy that PTA and Leo have finally connected. Leo certainly had plenty of other things he could have chosen to do.
Was not expecting that budget! Is PTA making his first action movie? Or is a lot of it just going towards Leo's hefty salary?
I did wonder whether PTA would be the filmmaker that DiCaprio would help to secure massive budgets after his collaboration with Scorsese comes to its end.
I had a feeling Phoenix was out when it was recently revealed that he was doing Ari Aster's next film in the spring after that production was delayed from last year. Also, this budget amount is likely because of Leo's involvement.
Leo's going rate is normally around $40-$50 million nowadays, so look at this as a $50 million dollar movie, plus Leo. lol
$50 millions is still high right! Isn't that near A24's Civil War budget?
Quote from: WorldForgot on January 10, 2024, 01:31:58 PM$50 millions is still high right! Isn't that near A24's Civil War budget?
I believe so. Licorice Pizza was $40 million, correct? Though that also had a lot of COVID costs that probably aren't a factor anymore(or much less of one).
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on January 10, 2024, 12:07:06 PMIs PTA making his first action movie?
Scrooby's theory.
i.e.
Something which could theoretically have the title of, say,
The Revenger's Tragedy.
So, yes, Leo is usually box office gold, though it's not 100% ... Even his box office clunkers earned money relative to thier budgets (J. Edgar, Revolutionary Road).
It will be interesting to see whether this film is his first big one after Killers of the Flower Moon, which dented his box office armor, or if something else will get to the screen first -- Roosevelt, Jim Jones?
Regardless, if you're spending $100M, the pull must be more than just Leo. What's the hook? Does this lean toward the comedic? Is there a Big Concept that will draw folks in, like Truman Show or Inception or Don't Look Up? I can't believe that Leo + Pynchon adaptation will get it done if they're looking for $200M B.O.
Zaslav must really be expecting this to be WBs biggest oscar contender of 2025 to sign off on this big of a budget.
Any goodwill it generates will have to be due to industry's feelings for PTA, because there are few right now who want good things for Zaslav. It's almost like he's paying for prestige image rehabilitation as much as he's paying for Leo.
There was that rumour going around that it has elements of science-fiction. Maybe that partially accounts for the budget...
I've always admired PTA's impulse to constantly go against what people expect from him. Just when we thought he was settling into being the master of the mid-budget, weirdo, period arthouse movie, he's seemingly changing it up again.
so jeff sneider was right back in december 22 when he announced di caprio, and then on march 10 23 when he announced regina hall.
thing is, he said at the same time it "may be based on thomas pynchon's vineland".
but variety says the movie has a bigger budget because it's pta's most commercial movie to date.
could vineland ever inspire a commercial movie ?!
Hey guys. Been a while but I'm a bit of a recluse. Hopefully wilberfan and worldforgot can re-vouch for me because I got one "track a PTA shoot across the valley" shoot under my belt :p
Two thoughts I have about the news that seem to counteract each other...
1. In my mind Joaquin is Zoyd Wheeler and I don't see anyone else playing him. That said, if Joaquin wasn't available Leo would not be a bad choice.
2. If the budget really is that high, then that's an argument in favor of it being Vineland...to capture the zaniness of that book you need a big budget (thinking about Sean Penn's Brock swooping in on helicopters while blasting Ride of the Valkyries).
Man I really hope it's Vineland. That would just be truly remarkable.
And it's reportedly shooting in Eureka, CA (at least partially)--which is very much like the setting of the 3 chapters of VINELAND I read a few months ago... :ponder:
No. It's definitely original.
It could also be "based on Vineland" in the same way that TWBB is "based on Oil!"
Is the PTA/Pynchon relationship comfortable enough that, after doing a faithful Inherent Vice, PTA could just use Vineland as "inspiration"?
Please don't be Vineland. I loved the book of IV and didn't dig the movie (no matter how many times I've tried) and I love the idea of PTA doing something original again and "commercial" (lol, knowing PTA you know this is going to be anything but, remember when WB said IV had a Boogie Nights vibe, it was anything but that, bar the ensemble) Anyways, a contemporary PTA "action film" sounds both surreal and incredible, and a great switcheroonie from LP. Wishing him all the best for the shoot, exciting times!
I've never really understood why people don't like IV. It's honestly my favourite of his movies; would like to live in that world Anderson created onscreen. And Josh Brolin's performance is an all-timer.
I wonder when we'll find out about some of the other personnel involved. Surely some of those things are not trade secrets.
Director of photography?
Production designer?
Question is who's gonna be our insider sending us pics and updates from Eureka... that's how we learned basically everything about the last one.
And that's pretty exciting given they start shooting on the 21st. I hope someone is up there with a camera. I wonder if the set will be a little bit more sneaky/under the radar shooting a contemporary film; fewer big sets than a period piece.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on January 11, 2024, 05:01:46 PMI wonder when we'll find out about some of the other personnel involved. Surely some of those things are not trade secrets.
Director of photography?
Production designer?
I can't imagine he goes back to a hired DP after doing the last 2 films in his new way.
Also who would he hire. He can't get Elswitt as they both of said they were on the outs after IV
Would love to see him re-team with Darius Khondji for a feature.
He's expressed interest in working with Lubezki.
Quote from: Drill on November 30, 2022, 06:57:54 PMhttps://twitter.com/cowspod/status/1598090806493351945 (https://twitter.com/cowspod/status/1598090806493351945)
Bringing this back...
Quote from: Find Your Magali on January 11, 2024, 05:01:46 PMDirector of photography?
Production designer?
Neither one of those were publicly known about SOGGY until the film was released. I met a young woman at the El Portal one afternoon--who turned out to be the Production Designer, and I--in desperation--once asked a guy from the Camera Dept, "DOES THIS THING OFFICIALLY HAVE A DP?" He nodded in the affirmative with a sly smile.
I anticipate the same tight lid on this one too.
Will Tichenor be back for this? It's no coincedence that PTA's most widely embraced (at least immediately upon release) films (Boogie Nights, Magnolia, There Will Be Blood, and Phantom Thread) were all edited by him. And if this is PTA's most mainstream (if that's what they mean by commercial) film then surely Tichenor will be editing, right? He's not attached to any other project at the moment.
Quote from: kingfan011 on January 11, 2024, 05:53:51 PMQuote from: Find Your Magali on January 11, 2024, 05:01:46 PMI wonder when we'll find out about some of the other personnel involved. Surely some of those things are not trade secrets.
Director of photography?
Production designer?
I can't imagine he goes back to a hired DP after doing the last 2 films in his new way.
Also who would he hire. He can't get Elswitt as they both of said they were on the outs after IV
I guess I just imagined that if he's wrangling bigger stars than in Licorice Pizza and if he's under some pressure to deliver a mainstream success with a $100M budget, he might want to take something off his enormous plate.
Sci-fi doesn't have to mean Star Wars or Jurassic Park. It can simply mean having elements of the fantastical, while still being firmly rooted in our world, or a slight variation thereof. The Truman Show is clearly sci-fi. The ending of Magnolia isn't necessarily sci-fi, but its fantastical and/or magical realism, and you can argue there are small moments of magical realism in some of PTA's other work, too.
Quote from: wilberfan on January 11, 2024, 09:58:30 PMQuote from: Find Your Magali on January 11, 2024, 05:01:46 PMDirector of photography?
Production designer?
Neither one of those were publicly known about SOGGY until the film was released. I met a young woman at the El Portal one afternoon--who turned out to be the Production Designer, and I--in desperation--once asked a guy from the Camera Dept, "DOES THIS THING OFFICIALLY HAVE A DP?" He nodded in the affirmative with a sly smile.
I anticipate the same tight lid on this one too.
I love the mystery PTA employs during pre-production and production, but for the love of god, I would love to see more making of stuff from the guy and hear him speak on the making of the film, in a non puff-piece, NYT LA Times Guardian kinda way (that 2hr interview on youtube with the screenwriters guild for The Master is dope af)
I guess this is my way of saying: I really miss his commentaries and making ofs and whilst Im so grateful for the incredible shorts that came along with Punch-Drunk Love, The Master and Phantom Thread, cinema really needs a PTA commentary/making of doc thats longer than 5 - 10mins...
PS. The Cigerettes and Vine making of The Master interviews was so damn dope. Much respect to them for that, incredible work!!!
PS.2. The guy could've release the Licorice Pizza script goddammit LOL!!!
PS.3. Loved his work on Phantom Thread, but Elswitt and him, dem boys know how to cook, cook! Also The Master is one of the most "beautiful" films going. Shot for Shot it's a miracle.
Again, super excited for this, whatever it is...
Preach, brother.
IMDB has Mike Reiber listed as the set painter, who did Magnolia and Punch-Drunk Love (and Babylon more recently).
I'm hoping, with the contemporary setting, that Haim does an original song for the film like Aimee Mann did for Magnolia.
"Get a calendar, I can't stress this enough..."
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 12, 2024, 08:41:19 PMI'm hoping, with the contemporary setting, that Haim does an original song for the film like Aimee Mann did for Magnolia.
I'm the exact opposite. I'm hoping Haim has absolutely nothing to do with this film.
Drill shared a link of a brief comment by Mark Bridges saying that due to the strike last year (and a resulting scheduling conflict) he is unable to work on the BC PROJECT with Paul. First time in 25 years they won't be collaborating.
https://www.tiktok.com/@indiewire/video/7323766431449976110
I feel like, with the strike delays, we might be seeing him working with an almost entirely different crew this time.
Quote from: wilberfan on January 13, 2024, 10:38:46 PMDrill shared a link of a brief comment by Mark Bridges saying that due to the strike last year (and a resulting scheduling conflict) he is unable to work on the BC PROJECT with Paul. First time in 25 years they won't be collaborating.
https://www.tiktok.com/@indiewire/video/7323766431449976110
I don't like this, but Paul will find a way to get someone super interesting to partner up with regarding costumes...but I'm especially pissed cos the costume work on the last two joints was INCREDIBLE. Phantom Thread gets better with every watch. I regret not seeing it enough in the cinema...(just saw it's playing on 35mm on Valentines day, godwilling...)
PS1. Scrooby said that PTA would step up (post-Oppenheimer, thank you deeply Scrooby: for your insights and foresights, always appreciated) and with this budget increase, I dunno, it's SUPER exciting to see PTA step up to the plate like this, because I assume that budget means an increase in ambition/scope and his ambition is already A1 regardless of dough (or is that budget increase just to carry Di Caprio's fee? which i imagine is hefty af?)
With this being a potential genre bender (they're all genre benders tbh, right?) potentially a Sci-fi inflected movie, I dunno, it's super exciting! I'm hyped. (I still get gassed by some of the moments in P-DL that are sci-fi inspired, kung fu inspired or was it Chuck Jones inspired?)
PS2. On worldofreel people are losing their shit over PTA getting a 100million budget...its kind of sickening where movie "culture" has gone (along with the world really) I never knew there was such a deep hate for what PTA has been doing...
PS3. I do wish we had a lil more information, but with the clickety-clak-click bait of all these so called movie sites, I can understand why shit has to stay sealed tight tight tight. But going way back to TWBB (I remember being able to get an early draft of the script through back channels, that are now all but closed because of all this clickety-clak-clik bs) Remember all the mad theories about his previous movies, when they were semi announced? LOL This most probably has no sci-fi elements, but right now, I'm just riding the waves of excitement and potentiality...Swing for the MF'ing fences Paul!!!
At this point, I'll settle for a couple more cast announcements. I have to figure there will be some "names" beyond the three leads. He has to sneak at least one past collaborator in there, right? I mean, Harriet Sansom Harris has to be close to a mortal lock, lol.
DiCaprio did a Q&A screening of "The Wolf of Wall Street" Saturday in LA and the moderator was .... Regina Hall.
I've been thinking about that. It seems way to specific to be a coincidence. I wonder if it had the WB Publicity Dept fingerprints on it? :ponder:
Quote from: wilberfan on January 15, 2024, 09:53:19 PMI've been thinking about that. It seems way to specific to be a coincidence. I wonder if it had the WB Publicity Dept fingerprints on it? :ponder:
Well, PTA was there, too, in the audience, so I'm sure it was intentional
QuoteWell, PTA was there, too, in the audience, so I'm sure it was intentional
Did you hear that from somewhere other than that "Vineland Updates" tweet? That account seems a little dubious.
Wonder when the first day starts we'll see some unofficial set photos like when Phantom Thread started.
The ever-reliable WOR is reporting that it's started filming...
Is anyone here planning on being there in person? Going up for a day to look around or something? I know we all want set photos but I guess that's less likely when they're not shooting in LA...
Projects that did some shooting in Eureka:
Mulholland Drive
Salem's Lot (1979), dressed up to look like New England
Outbreak
The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming (RIP, Norman Jewison)
And lots of movies that require redwoods as part of the plot.
If someone plans to drive up from LA I will contribute gas money and a killer soundtrack...just sayin.
Quote from: Lempwick on January 11, 2024, 06:12:58 PMHe's expressed interest in working with Lubezki.
Please keep Chivo as far away as possible from our god.
Quote from: eastmanfade on January 23, 2024, 12:43:05 PMIf someone plans to drive up from LA I will contribute gas money and a killer soundtrack...just sayin.
Second that. I'm gonna get restless if a week of shooting goes by and we don't see something
Quote from: eastmanfade on January 23, 2024, 12:43:05 PMIf someone plans to drive up from LA I will contribute gas money and a killer soundtrack...just sayin.
If someone wants to make a detour up to Alaska to come pick me up, I'd do the same. Maybe even toss in a bunch of fresh cookies.
first time on the forum.. hi guys! I've started a Vineland/BC project updates account on twitter (@ VinelandPTA for anyone interested), so im going to try keep up to speed on everything thats going on :)
anyways - given production is already a few days underway, is it unusual to not have any set photos/leaks by now? Eureka's relatively small, but i've seen zero buzz about production from influencers or cinemas in the town, or even on the regular Humboldt reddit page
Quote from: gearhead on January 24, 2024, 05:39:54 PMfirst time on the forum.. hi guys! I've started a Vineland/BC project updates account on twitter (@ VinelandPTA for anyone interested), so im going to try keep up to speed on everything thats going on :)
anyways - given production is already a few days underway, is it unusual to not have any set photos/leaks by now? Eureka's relatively small, but i've seen zero buzz about production from influencers or cinemas in the town, or even on the regular Humboldt reddit page
There are some updates on the Humboldt reddit page - https://www.reddit.com/r/Humboldt/s/DQNkpITaP1
- that link has people talking about sightings/shooting schedule. Still, no photos or videos is driving me crazy
Well, they ARE contemporary cars! :yabbse-grin:
[edit] Tried to post a video--which didn't take. From here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/HumboldtCountyOnAlert/posts/7363041737092916/?comment_id=7363064653757291
Does that not look like a very small (digital?) camera?
Also, can't imagine what that shot will look like. It looks like it's only getting the back of the last car - and from the facebook it sounds like they didn't shut down roads but just drove a couple miles in a line like that with regular people passing them. Interesting
Quote from: Lots of Bees on January 24, 2024, 09:57:41 PMDoes that not look like a very small (digital?) camera?
Also, can't imagine what that shot will look like. It looks like it's only getting the back of the last car - and from the facebook it sounds like they didn't shut down roads but just drove a couple miles in a line like that with regular people passing them. Interesting
It's rumored to be shot on VistaVision and that rig doesn't look out of line with what I've grown to expect a VistaVision camera to look like over the past 30 seconds of googling.
Quote from: Rooty Poots on January 26, 2024, 07:02:04 PMQuote from: Lots of Bees on January 24, 2024, 09:57:41 PMDoes that not look like a very small (digital?) camera?
Also, can't imagine what that shot will look like. It looks like it's only getting the back of the last car - and from the facebook it sounds like they didn't shut down roads but just drove a couple miles in a line like that with regular people passing them. Interesting
It's rumored to be shot on VistaVision and that rig doesn't look out of line with what I've grown to expect a VistaVision camera to look like over the past 30 seconds of googling.
I wonder if that rumor means shot using VistaVison for effects work only (something that Nolan among others have done before) or shot entirely in VistaVision (which hasn't been done in the US since Hitchcock)
Occam's razor says effects work only, and maybe plays into the idea of some sci-fi elements.
I certainly wouldn't put it past PTA to try to use it for the whole film, but that seems less likely. AFAIK the last films to use it were Nagisa Oshima's erotic dramas of the 1970s.
List of VistaVision films (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VistaVision_films). This seems to show VistaVision being used up to 1997's "The End of Evangelion," (under the "Films Entirely Shot on VistaVision" section).
I wonder how you shoot an anime on VistaVision...
Could they have photographed each frame with a vista vision camera? I've never heard of animation being done on large format film but I love the notion.
Vista Vision seems to indicate it'll have a similar visual aesthetic to The Master, assuming the whole thing is being shot this way.
If PTA is shooting this on VistaVision it's not just for effects work. He considered it for The Master (and considering the aspect ratio I'm surprised he didn't go with that) and I believe he shot all but one shot on that format for Anima.
I can't help but wonder if this movie has something to do with wild fires and drought, hence the FX work speculation. I remember PTA saying in interviews a few years ago that those things weighing heavily on his mind a lot.
The more I see/hear about this the more I think it's Vineland.......gonna start my re-read now.
Any word on how long they'll be on location in Eureka?...
It's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Unforgiven? Rad. I'm guessing this is the 'bleak' project he mentioned he was working on prior to switching to Licorice Pizza. Hyped!
Unforgiven cool! Nice to see he's still screening movie for cast and crew
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Great. Anything else can you share (can you drop any hints about other cast members besides DiCaprio/Penn/Hall, who's editing, any story/script details)? This is the project that you talked about before he switched gears and did Licorice Pizza, correct?
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
idk what kind of info you have but the fact that is contemporarily set doesn't mean it can't be a more loose adaptation
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on January 28, 2024, 03:19:21 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Unforgiven? Rad. I'm guessing this is the 'bleak' project he mentioned he was working on prior to switching to Licorice Pizza. Hyped!
that casting call for the martial arts teenage girl doesn't make it sound very "bleak"
This...reveal yourself knower of all.
Quote from: Vicko99 on January 28, 2024, 07:11:44 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
idk what kind of info you have but the fact that is contemporarily set doesn't mean it can't be a more loose adaptation
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
What else do you know my friend
I want it to be Vineland.
Insane to name "Unforgiven" and leave like that. Please give us some or any crumbs sir!
Leo's character has a daughter. I will tell the actor's name when I can. No one on anyone's radar. New person.
More soon.
Quote from: Drill on January 28, 2024, 05:01:03 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Great. Anything else can you share (can you drop any hints about other cast members besides DiCaprio/Penn/Hall, who's editing, any story/script details)? This is the project that you talked about before he switched gears and did Licorice Pizza, correct?
Believe so, yes.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 08:23:02 PMLeo's character has a daughter. I will tell the actor's name when I can. No one on anyone's radar. New person.
More soon.
Is his character's name Zoyd? Should we follow the money too?
Is it possible that maybe one of his daughters will be playing the daughter in the film?
Quote from: Vicko99 on January 28, 2024, 07:13:10 PMQuote from: RudyBlatnoyd on January 28, 2024, 03:19:21 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Unforgiven? Rad. I'm guessing this is the 'bleak' project he mentioned he was working on prior to switching to Licorice Pizza. Hyped!
that casting call for the martial arts teenage girl doesn't make it sound very "bleak"
I mean, obviously I don't know any more than the next guy, but if the Unforgiven intel is correct then that doesn't seem like a movie you screen for your cast and crew if you're making a comedy...
Brock Vond, the main villain in Pynchon's novel (supposedly played by Sean Penn), is a cruel federal prosecutor "using his authority to harass anyone with whom he disagrees".
I could see Gene Jackman's evil sheriff as a potential inspiration for Penn's approach to the character.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 08:23:02 PMLeo's character has a daughter. I will tell the actor's name when I can. No one on anyone's radar. New person.
More soon.
Are there any other 'name' actors in it who've been cast but not announced to the press? Not looking for you to identify them, just wondering if you can confirm whether there are any other big or biggish names?
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 01:18:56 PMIt's not Vineland. It is contemporarily set. Anderson had the cast over to screen "Unforgiven" a few nights ago. I used to be martinthewarrior on here. Can't sign in with that name anymore, but I know all.
Didn't you say back in 2019 that his next film would be contemporary?
https://xixax.com/index.php?topic=14185.msg357205#msg357205 (https://xixax.com/index.php?topic=14185.msg357205#msg357205)
His real life daughter does not play the daughter, to my knowledge this person is an unknown (I know her name but shouldn't say it yet). No other big names to my knowledge, but intel could change when they change locations.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 29, 2024, 11:50:28 AMHis real life daughter does not play the daughter, to my knowledge this person is an unknown (I know her name but shouldn't say it yet). No other big names to my knowledge, but intel could change when they change locations.
Who was supposed to play Leo character when it was supposed to shoot during Fall '19?
Would just be speculation to say, and I'm not even sure it's the same thing. If it is it is highly likely it has changed significantly. He got rid of everyone who shot the past bunch with him except for his PD. Everything I've been made privy to makes it sound much more action/adventure oriented than his typical thing.
As far as the Vineland thing goes, Inherent Vice is probably my favorite of his. That said, ain't nobody giving him this kind of budget to do another Pynchon. I wouldn't hold out much hope for that one at any point.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 29, 2024, 01:42:28 PMWould just be speculation to say, and I'm not even sure it's the same thing. If it is it is highly likely it has changed significantly. He got rid of everyone who shot the past bunch with him except for his PD. Everything I've been made privy to makes it sound much more action/adventure oriented than his typical thing.
Does that mean he isn't working with Michael Bauman and co on this one?
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 29, 2024, 01:48:57 PMAs far as the Vineland thing goes, Inherent Vice is probably my favorite of his. That said, ain't nobody giving him this kind of budget to do another Pynchon. I wouldn't hold out much hope for that one at any point.
Genuinely wondering, what makes you
so confident this project has
nothing (story, premise, themes etc) to do with Vineland, apart from the fact it is set in modern era?
Because the coincidences so far (casting calls, reported shooting locations, photos from set) would be enough to suggect that there is some strong inspiration
at the very least.
He may very well have been inspired by that book. This is not that book.
And to the previous comment, no he is not. Canned pretty much everybody.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 29, 2024, 02:12:39 PMHe may very well have been inspired by that book. This is not that book.
And to the previous comment, no he is not. Canned pretty much everybody.
Wow thats interesting. I guess because of the bigger budget scale
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 29, 2024, 02:12:39 PMHe may very well have been inspired by that book. This is not that book.
And to the previous comment, no he is not. Canned pretty much everybody.
So this has an official cinematographer? Any idea who?
Quote from: kingfan011 on January 29, 2024, 02:48:19 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 29, 2024, 02:12:39 PMHe may very well have been inspired by that book. This is not that book.
And to the previous comment, no he is not. Canned pretty much everybody.
Wow thats interesting. I guess because of the bigger budget scale
I'm not sure the reason behind the mass canning but know it has not happened without some hurt feelings. There is supposedly a cinematographer but I cant recall the name. I will check.
Why do we think he would hire a DP after going 2 in a row without one? Clearly he doesn't need one right?
Why would he get rid of everyone who's worked with him for the past 15 years? Dunno, seems like he wants a change. There's also a difference in what you can get away with when you're handed 20 mil and what you can get away with when you're handed nearly 100.
Is it Darius Khondji? He worked with him on Anima and (according to imdb) Bauman and them were not involved on that project either. Would make sense if it is shot on VistaVision like someone said (is this true?) as Anima was as well.
Also, I know you mention hurt feelings but he seems to change people in some manner on almost every project and often comes back to them (his editors, for example, or leaving his camera team for Anima then using them for LP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/paulthomasanderson/s/LEh6qjs03c
Some filming at Murphy's supermarket in Cutten today, Leo running to a payphone and cop cars driving by fast in the background
Quote from: Lots of Bees on January 29, 2024, 03:40:37 PMIs it Darius Khondji? He worked with him on Anima and (according to imdb) Bauman and them were not involved on that project either. Would make sense if it is shot on VistaVision like someone said (is this true?) as Anima was as well.
I've been wondering recently whether Anima holds some sort of clue for this thing.
If I'm remembering the myriad conflicting rumours about this movie, it supposedly has a sci-fi element to it. Anima was shot in 2019. If this project indeed was supposed to be the follow up to Phantom Thread (before Covid, et al), could Anima have been a test drive of sorts?
Leo looking paranoid and frantically talking on a payphone in 2024 (probably because his phone is being tracked) while police cars zip past him and he looks like he's trying to disguise himself to not be seen by the cops. At least that's what this shot looks like from such a far vantage point. Almost seems like it might be some sort of conspiracy thriller.
OK, I missed a few days! Lots of new info (sort of).
So we know:
--Unforgiven
--$100M
--Sci-fi, probably with significant post-production effects
--Leo starring
--Father/daughter
--Bleak
--Wildfires weigh heavily on PTA
While of course the plot will be its own new thing, I'm getting Minority Report/War of the Worlds vibes -- contemporary or near-future, with a sci-fi twist. Or maybe more of a human-caused eco-thriller (fires).
Unforgiven is hard to fit into that, although it does have the idea of turning a genre onto its head. But everything imaginable has been done within sci-fi, in terms of tone. How do you turn it on its head.
Also, "bleak" doesn't seem to play well with "PTA's most commercial film ever." Leo will draw box office, but will a downbeat storyline?
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2024/jan/29/watch-first-look-leonardo-dicaprio-character-new-p/
Better angle of the scene being shot and photos here. Baktin Cross Police Department is what is printed on the police cars, suggesting that's what BC stands for. I doubt this is the title, but it's at least the name of the fictional town this is set in.
now we also have a hippie main character and a fictional town in California
there's literally no way this isn't at least a loose adaptation
Is that not Mike Bauman in the striped shirt (https://lostcoastoutpost.com/loco-media/cache/72/e0/72e053927b1f2cc7a34cba6beac5bcb5.webp) and Colin Anderson operating camera (https://lostcoastoutpost.com/loco-media/cache/c7/6f/c76f2099671687e937059350026f160d.webp) in these pictures?
Indicates he's working with his usual people?
Quote from: jzakko on January 29, 2024, 10:20:30 PMIs that not Mike Bauman in the striped shirt (https://lostcoastoutpost.com/loco-media/cache/72/e0/72e053927b1f2cc7a34cba6beac5bcb5.webp) and Colin Anderson operating camera (https://lostcoastoutpost.com/loco-media/cache/c7/6f/c76f2099671687e937059350026f160d.webp) in these pictures?
Indicates he's working with his usual people?
Lol I think it is...
Rupert are we getting trolled
I definitely thought that wa Colin operating the camera but I assumed I was wrong.
(( :waving: can confirm through a separate source Unforgiven was indeed screened for the cast/crew so the intel provided is probably worth considering :salute: ))
lol
https://twitter.com/dailyleodicapri/status/1752201083966103649
A closer look at Leo.
Quote from: max from fearless on January 14, 2024, 08:51:35 AMalways appreciated
You're welcome, kind Max.
Unforgiven . . .
Why did Scroob originally speculate on
Revenger's Tragedy?
Because
Phantom Thread is a miraculous channeling of Sophocles. And since sophisticated Sophocles is in a direct line to sophisticated Seneca . . .
It just makes natural sense.
Also, many Elizabethan revenge tragedies have a social element to them; that is to say, the genre was used to comment on the dystopic conditions of the time.
"Who would not lie when men are hang'd for truth?"
It's probably been mentioned more eloquently than I can muster, but this feeling of "what the hell is this movie?" that is prevalent right the way to at least the release of the trailer (with surprises abound in the films themselves) is really rare these days and seems pretty unique to PTA and the secrecy surrounding the rollout of his projects.
I'm being a little harsh, but you more or less know what you're in for with "Nolan's Oppenheimer" or "Tarantino's 60s Hollywood movie" or "Wes' French omnibus movie".
If I think back to all the PTA movies I've looked forward to prior to release, from TWBB onwards, each little drop of info we get seems to confound the last and yet all the elements are usually present in the final film (just not necessarily in the way we anticipated). It's remarkable.
Remember when Beau is Afraid was going to be about a man turning into a Praying Mantis
With that hat on, Leo looks even more like middle-aged Jack Nicholson than usual; it's very One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
This already seems like the wildest project of PTA's career.
Zero worries about the movie itself but very concerned for PTA's future financing if this big swing doesn't make some coin.
I can't really see it being a big hit, even with DiCaprio. PTA's sensibility and instincts are just too peculiar for mainstream tastes. I can't believe he's suddenly going to turn into Steven Spielberg or Chris Nolan, even if this is a change-up from his usual material.
I rather doubt his career is on the line though. If it 'flops' at the box office, he may never get the chance to pull off something on this scale again, but there'll still be plenty of famous actors and boutique studios out there who want to make a more modestly-budgeted movie with him.
After The Master and Inherent Vice consecutively were considered big financial misses, the worry that PTA would struggle to get financial backing definitely creeped into my head, but Phantom Thread did solid financially and Licorice Pizza was considered a success in the early "post-pandemic" Box Office where Spider-Man was one of the few movies to actually make a profit.
For this particular movie, I think the Leo factor is being underrated because KOTM wasn't a huge hit. KOTM was a 3.5 hour crime drama about genocide and it made $156 million dollars. That's a nice box office haul for that kind of movie. The reason it's not considered a box office success is because the film cost $200 million, which is double what this new PTA film supposedly costs. Scorsese and DeNiro helped in some fashion(look at SILENCE's Box Office though lol), but that movie made $150 million pretty much because of Leo. I also think KOTM's runtime cost it some box office, as well. For how much PTA likes to bring up his regrets about Magnolia's runtime, I doubt that will be an issue, here. So you have a film that is half the budget with a more popular length of runtime. If the budget really is $100 Million, eight out of Leo's last nine theatrically released movies have made at least $150 million, with seven of those eight making $290 million or more. His last movie not to make at least $150 million was J. Edgar in 2011. I'm not saying this will be a HUGE hit, (I think PTA's inherent obtuseness will prevent that), but I do believe Leo should be enough to avoid this from being a career altering flop.
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2024/jan/29/hollywood-magic-transforms-cutten-plaza-mexican-mi/?fbclid=IwAR0O8t2N8lFFglMZxgN_FrJ1v0a2nexmyNX2gX7SYjZVVHg37BHKQNTsuY0
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/leonardo-dicaprio-eureka-arcata-movie-filming-bc-18636090.php
Military...special effects....looks like our first PTA car chase?
I would take everything about it with a grain of salt until it comes out. Everything I've been privy to on previous movies definitely changed significantly during shooting and most significantly during editing. While he may have less expressionistic leeway on a cut of something this expensive my guess is it'll not really be like anything that is being speculated. I was told they're going to Texas next, not sure if that's true or not.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13025045/leonardo-dicaprio-unrecognizable-paul-thomas-anderson-film.html
Whole set of photos and a video here. Some of you might find this to be too much and a little spoilery, so proceed with caution.
re: money
If they spend $100m, that means they're on the hook for a big marketing push, which PTA routinely gets the shaft on. So I'm all for it.
And if it doesn't hit, fuck it, we're still getting at least one PTA movie with a proper budget.
Either way, PTA has nine lives, he's gonna keep on cooking no matter what.
so...Prairie?
(https://imguh.com/images/2024/01/31/20240131_004103e0c53cc7ea82c9eb.png) (https://imguh.com/image/Sy4NX)
It may be inspired by Vineland, but I do not believe WB is giving $100 million dollars towards a straight adaptation.
Quote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 08:23:02 PMLeo's character has a daughter. I will tell the actor's name when I can. No one on anyone's radar. New person.
More soon.
Quote from: Vicko99 on January 30, 2024, 09:43:39 PMso...Prairie?
(https://imguh.com/images/2024/01/31/20240131_004103e0c53cc7ea82c9eb.png) (https://imguh.com/image/Sy4NX)
Now Rupert can tell us her name.
Quote from: wilberfan on January 30, 2024, 11:23:42 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 08:23:02 PMLeo's character has a daughter. I will tell the actor's name when I can. No one on anyone's radar. New person.
More soon.
Quote from: Vicko99 on January 30, 2024, 09:43:39 PMso...Prairie?
(https://imguh.com/images/2024/01/31/20240131_004103e0c53cc7ea82c9eb.png) (https://imguh.com/image/Sy4NX)
Now Rupert can tell us her name.
Lol do we still think Rupert has any privileged information after reporting PTA canned his usual crew?
Quote from: jzakko on January 31, 2024, 08:01:52 AMQuote from: wilberfan on January 30, 2024, 11:23:42 PMQuote from: Thegreatrupert on January 28, 2024, 08:23:02 PMLeo's character has a daughter. I will tell the actor's name when I can. No one on anyone's radar. New person.
More soon.
Quote from: Vicko99 on January 30, 2024, 09:43:39 PMso...Prairie?
(https://imguh.com/images/2024/01/31/20240131_004103e0c53cc7ea82c9eb.png) (https://imguh.com/image/Sy4NX)
Now Rupert can tell us her name.
Lol do we still think Rupert has any privileged information after reporting PTA canned his usual crew?
They are not working on the new film. These set pics are for a new Radiohead music video featuring Leonardo DiCaprio ;) lol
Facebook post from yesterday. https://www.facebook.com/Humboldtcalpoly/posts/pfbid02GKqAHfqkDP9xg2CgZSq7ZzqwaTgwUxRFRDcn2HA8NNJ2ttFdxc6uGGLHHY2zaQMVl
From industry insider Daniel Richtman's Patreon page:
Actress Chase Infiniti has been cast as the lead in Paul Thomas Anderson's latest film. I have also confirmed the movie will adapt Thomas Pynchon's novel, Vineland but making it contemporary. The original novel was set in Reagan-era America, so he's updating it to modern US.
So...
Zoyd Wheeler = DiCaprio
Prairie = Chase Infiniti
Brock Vond = Sean Penn
Frenesi Gates = Regina Hall
Will be interesting to see if/how PTA does a backstory for fiftysometing hippie in the year 2024. Growing up as a teen during Reagan's 1980s, rather than being a disillusioned adult hippie living IN Reagan's 1980s.
Are there any other major supporting characters in Vineland? It is one of the Pynchon novels I have not yet read, alas.
Didn't the original Deadline announcement of the film say it had a big ensemble cast? So that must mean we're guaranteed at least a few more familiar faces?
Quote from: pynchonikon on January 31, 2024, 11:06:48 AMFrom industry insider Daniel Richtman's Patreon page:
Actress Chase Infiniti has been cast as the lead in Paul Thomas Anderson's latest film. I have also confirmed the movie will adapt Thomas Pynchon's novel, Vineland but making it contemporary. The original novel was set in Reagan-era America, so he's updating it to modern US.
Ok Rupert better give us something serious to discredit this or else PTA is definitely adapting Vineland for contemporary times
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on January 31, 2024, 12:12:46 PMAre there any other major supporting characters in Vineland? It is one of the Pynchon novels I have not yet read, alas.
Didn't the original Deadline announcement of the film say it had a big ensemble cast? So that must mean we're guaranteed at least a few more familiar faces?
DL Chastain (a Kill Bill adjacent) and Hector Zuniga (a DEA agent with a tv addiction) are the juicest supporting roles I can remember
Remember, though, that There Will Be Blood was an adaptation, too.
Maybe PTA has Pynchon's blessing to do whatever he wants this time around, after the faithful adapation of IV.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on January 31, 2024, 01:27:33 PMRemember, though, that There Will Be Blood was an adaptation, too.
Maybe PTA has Pynchon's blessing to do whatever he wants this time around, after the faithful adapation of IV.
That's what I'm curious about it. If this is a loose/updated Vineland I wonder when Anderson told him. Also will he cameo like he presumably did in IV. I'm positive he was at the cop pool party that Doc visits.
Quote from: Mank1010 on January 31, 2024, 12:56:26 PMQuote from: pynchonikon on January 31, 2024, 11:06:48 AMFrom industry insider Daniel Richtman's Patreon page:
Actress Chase Infiniti has been cast as the lead in Paul Thomas Anderson's latest film. I have also confirmed the movie will adapt Thomas Pynchon's novel, Vineland but making it contemporary. The original novel was set in Reagan-era America, so he's updating it to modern US.
Ok Rupert better give us something serious to discredit this or else PTA is definitely adapting Vineland for contemporary times
Buddy, I come here occasionally because I think you all might like drips of what scant info I have. It is not an obligation. Chase was the one I had heard. Don't know anyone else yet. And no it is not Vineland.
The fun thing is that years AFTER the movie comes out, we'll STILL be debating whether or not it's Vineland. PTA is abstract and mystical that way. :)
So many interesting choices presented by updating it to modern times. Is 24fps a celluloid collective or do they shoot on iphones now? is it still the People's Republic of Rock and Roll, or are they all Swifite-types (lol i hope not on that one). and The Tube!! How is the Tube presented with modern day flat screens on your wall, in your car, and in your pocket.
I'm so excited. We are so lucky!!
I still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
Quote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
I've been saying this since day one. At best, this film is to Vineland what The Master is to V. No way WB gave him $100m for another straight Pynchon adaptation, even with Leo being involved. I think he was inspired by Vineland while writing this story and wanted to tell a modern day story with similar plot elements.
Quote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
Here's the thing. If it's actually an original project, why is everything else lining up? Like, it's filming exactly where the novel takes place, Leo's mustache is exactly like Zoyd's in the book, his clothing makes sense and the character has a daughter who he has to look after.
If Paul wants to do some action adventure oriented thing, why the fuck would he would he go to Eureka, California of all places with Leo looking schlubby lol
Quote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
Because he's fuckin PTA dude...
Zaslav is positioning himself and Warners to bring all the auteurs back in. Why do you think he's giving Tenet a re-release when Nolan's Universal-backed project is currently campaigning against his Warners-backed Barbie for the Oscars.
He's got Gunn running DC. He just signed TC (which by extension also means McQ). He's all but greenlit Messiah for Denis...I'm sorry, but how could they not greenlight it?
Plus Apple and Netflix greenlit even more expensive budgets for Scorsese. Zaslav's willing to risk losing money, to make money. It's really a no-brainer...
I'm quite aware I sound like a Warners PR schmuck, but they're the filmmaker's studio (yes they lost their way during mergers and pandemics) and Zaslav wants to get back to that.
Quote from: SaunchSmilax on January 31, 2024, 04:45:19 PMSo many interesting choices presented by updating it to modern times. Is 24fps a celluloid collective or do they shoot on iphones now? is it still the People's Republic of Rock and Roll, or are they all Swifite-types (lol i hope not on that one). and The Tube!! How is the Tube presented with modern day flat screens on your wall, in your car, and in your pocket.
I'm so excited. We are so lucky!!
"The Tube" is probably youtube/twitch/tiktok in this stealth version of the story.
New PTA movie is to Vineland as...
1. Forbidden Planet is to The Tempest
2. Throne of Blood is to Macbeth
3. O Brother, Where Art Thou? is to The Odyssey
4. Adaptation is to The Orchid Thief
5. The Thing is to Who Goes There?
There are a thousand ways to do this.
PTA takes what he wants, reinvents some, and makes up some original stuff.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on January 31, 2024, 08:03:34 PMNew PTA movie is to Vineland as...
1. Forbidden Planet is to The Tempest
2. Throne of Blood is to Macbeth
3. O Brother, Where Art Thou? is to The Odyssey
4. Adaptation is to The Orchid Thief
5. The Thing is to Who Goes There?
There are a thousand ways to do this.
PTA takes what he wants, reinvents some, and makes up some original stuff.
...apocalypse now was the best example for this but ok
Quote from: Mank1010 on January 31, 2024, 07:22:25 PMQuote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
Here's the thing. If it's actually an original project, why is everything else lining up? Like, it's filming exactly where the novel takes place, Leo's mustache is exactly like Zoyd's in the book, his clothing makes sense and the character has a daughter who he has to look after.
If Paul wants to do some action adventure oriented thing, why the fuck would he would he go to Eureka, California of all places with Leo looking schlubby lol
Hence why I said
faithful adaptation. This is probably an OIL/THERE WILL BE BLOOD situation. Whatever he's turned it into is commercially appealing enough, along with Leo, to garner that budget.
Quote from: SaunchSmilax on January 31, 2024, 07:52:44 PMQuote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
Because he's fuckin PTA dude...
I wish movie studios thought like this. However, they do not. PTA has made nine films. Only four of them have garnered a profit. He's not exactly a great business decision. He's also not a household name to non-cinephiles. Giving him a $100 million dollar budget in the age of IP is strange. I'd have to imagine it's for something more commercial than a faithful Pynchon adaptation.
Quote from: SaunchSmilax on January 31, 2024, 07:54:18 PMZaslav is positioning himself and Warners to bring all the auteurs back in. Why do you think he's giving Tenet a re-release when Nolan's Universal-backed project is currently campaigning against his Warners-backed Barbie for the Oscars.
He's got Gunn running DC. He just signed TC (which by extension also means McQ). He's all but greenlit Messiah for Denis...I'm sorry, but how could they not greenlight it?
Plus Apple and Netflix greenlit even more expensive budgets for Scorsese. Zaslav's willing to risk losing money, to make money. It's really a no-brainer...
I'm quite aware I sound like a Warners PR schmuck, but they're the filmmaker's studio (yes they lost their way during mergers and pandemics) and Zaslav wants to get back to that.
I'll believe it when I see it. This is the same guy who's only reason for not axing TCM was because Scorsese, Spielberg and PTA were willing to pick up shifts there.
You seem to be under the impression that the industry doesn't rate PTA as highly as we do...let me assure you they do...they very much do. This project's box office performance isn't the only consideration for them here...prestige, influence, awards, clout...those are also important, especially to Zaslav who has lost a lot of popularity.
$100 million is a lot sure but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what they spend on IP projects (we've also got to stop taking the $100 million rumor as gospel anyway, it could very well be that much because Paul/Leo are getting their money upfront just like Scorsese did with Killers).
As far as Zaslav/Warner...Dune is about to come out in 70mm Imax off the back of a Tenet re-release in the same format. You can not believe it if you wish, but you're defintely seeing it.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 31, 2024, 07:19:14 PMQuote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
I've been saying this since day one. At best, this film is to Vineland what The Master is to V. No way WB gave him $100m for another straight Pynchon adaptation, even with Leo being involved. I think he was inspired by Vineland while writing this story and wanted to tell a modern day story with similar plot elements.
At best?...At best it's Vineland set in contemporary times. The earth is not flat.
Quote from: SaunchSmilax on January 31, 2024, 10:51:40 PMQuote from: Heisenberg on January 31, 2024, 07:19:14 PMQuote from: jviness02 on January 31, 2024, 07:10:12 PMI still am not convinced this is a faithful adaptation of Vineland. Why would WB give PTA $100 million dollars for a Pynchon adaptation after the last Pynchon adaptation he made for them made $14 million dollars worldwide?
I've been saying this since day one. At best, this film is to Vineland what The Master is to V. No way WB gave him $100m for another straight Pynchon adaptation, even with Leo being involved. I think he was inspired by Vineland while writing this story and wanted to tell a modern day story with similar plot elements.
At best?...At best it's Vineland set in contemporary times. The earth is not flat.
also the master/V comparison to this is completely ridiculous lmao
the only thing this doesn't have in common with Vineland is the period setting, everything is literally the same lol (so far)
Yeah The Master/V. comparison makes no sense. Might as well compare Gravity's Rainbow to Magnolia.
But then if it is pretty much a straight adaptation of Vineland... why not just come out and say it when they announced the movie? There wasn't any secrecy around Inherent Vice. It has to be more complicated than that. I'm guessing the Oil/TWBB comparison is closer to the truth ie some of the same characters and plot elements but reworked and reshaped quite drastically.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 01, 2024, 01:46:19 AMBut then if it is pretty much a straight adaptation of Vineland... why not just come out and say it when they announced the movie? There wasn't any secrecy around Inherent Vice. It has to be more complicated than that. I'm guessing the Oil/TWBB comparison is closer to the truth ie some of the same characters and plot elements but reworked and reshaped quite drastically.
I mean you can hear Leo saying "you called me" on the payphone and in the book in like the first 10 pages there's a scene where he says the same thing outside a supermarket. Clearly the same scene.
I'd imagine they didn't come out with it directly because it will be called something else, as the town seems to be named Baktan Cross, not Vineland. I wouldn't be surprised if characters have different names. Also, the modern political elements will certainly make it different from the novel. In this way, I see the Oil/TWBB comparisons.
But as for the scenes we're seeing so far, especially the beginning of the book, it seems the exact same. And I don't recall any scenes from TWBB lifted directly from Oil (correct me if I'm wrong)
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 01, 2024, 01:46:19 AMBut then if it is pretty much a straight adaptation of Vineland... why not just come out and say it when they announced the movie? There wasn't any secrecy around Inherent Vice. It has to be more complicated than that. I'm guessing the Oil/TWBB comparison is closer to the truth ie some of the same characters and plot elements but reworked and reshaped quite drastically.
So many reason man, but I'll leave you with a quote from Gary Valentine:
"I'm a showman. It's my calling. I don't know how to do anything else, it's what I'm meant to do. I mean every since I was a kid I've been a song and dance man."Sorry but at this point y'all keep comparing adapting Pynchon to adapting Sinclair and that's outrageously silly. PTA is the ONLY filmmaker Pynchon has ever let adapt one of his books. The dude is quite frankly one of the greatest American novelists (if not the greatest). PTA has too much respect for him to do an "inspired by" adaptation. That coupled with the fact that he's talked several times over the years about trying to adapt Vineland...
Quote from: Lots of Bees on February 01, 2024, 02:00:22 AMBut as for the scenes we're seeing so far, especially the beginning of the book, it seems the exact same. And I don't recall any scenes from TWBB lifted directly from Oil (correct me if I'm wrong)
"And it is in the humble opinion of this narrator that this is not just "Something That Happened." This cannot be "One of Those Things." This, please, cannot be that."
Quote from: SaunchSmilax on February 01, 2024, 02:06:48 AMQuote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 01, 2024, 01:46:19 AMBut then if it is pretty much a straight adaptation of Vineland... why not just come out and say it when they announced the movie? There wasn't any secrecy around Inherent Vice. It has to be more complicated than that. I'm guessing the Oil/TWBB comparison is closer to the truth ie some of the same characters and plot elements but reworked and reshaped quite drastically.
So many reason man, but I'll leave you with a quote from Gary Valentine:
"I'm a showman. It's my calling. I don't know how to do anything else, it's what I'm meant to do. I mean every since I was a kid I've been a song and dance man."
Sorry but at this point y'all keep comparing adapting Pynchon to adapting Sinclair and that's outrageously silly. PTA is the ONLY filmmaker Pynchon has ever let adapt one of his books. The dude is quite frankly one of the greatest American novelists (if not the greatest). PTA has too much respect for him to do an "inspired by" adaptation. That coupled with the fact that he's talked several times over the years about trying to adapt Vineland...
Yes but he also said he couldnt find a way for it to work when trying to adapt it. Maybe he has found a way but in doing so its more a loose version set in modern day. For all we know that is the case and Pynchon signed off on it.
Leo, Regina and Chase being directed by Paul
https://twitter.com/dailyleodicapri/status/1752979614224544233?t=CFyKvMI1-Lem5X-uRLIMIw&s=19
Has there ever been a time when a novel was being adapted and the trades kept that a secret? That's what doesn't make sense to me. Both previous times he adapted a novel, it was known before they started shooting. Even if it's just inspired by Vineland, wouldn't Pynchon be getting an inspired by credit? Why would there be so much secrecy? That's why I keep thinking that this is different enough to not be considered an adaptation by the trades, otherwise they would've said this is based on Vineland.
Quote from: Vicko99 on February 01, 2024, 05:47:49 AMLeo, Regina and Chase being directed by Paul
https://twitter.com/dailyleodicapri/status/1752979614224544233?t=CFyKvMI1-Lem5X-uRLIMIw&s=19
Very brave of that extra or crew member to take their phone out and start recording them at such close proximity, unless they were given permission to.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 01, 2024, 08:34:21 AMHas there ever been a time when a novel was being adapted and the trades kept that a secret? That's what doesn't make sense to me. Both previous times he adapted a novel, it was known before they started shooting. Even if it's just inspired by Vineland, wouldn't Pynchon be getting an inspired by credit? Why would there be so much secrecy? That's why I keep thinking that this is different enough to not be considered an adaptation by the trades, otherwise they would've said this is based on Vineland.
where tf would pynchon get a credit if it just started shooting and not even the title has been revealed yet???
can some of y'all use your brains for a sec
Quote from: Vicko99 on February 01, 2024, 09:30:56 AMQuote from: Heisenberg on February 01, 2024, 08:34:21 AMHas there ever been a time when a novel was being adapted and the trades kept that a secret? That's what doesn't make sense to me. Both previous times he adapted a novel, it was known before they started shooting. Even if it's just inspired by Vineland, wouldn't Pynchon be getting an inspired by credit? Why would there be so much secrecy? That's why I keep thinking that this is different enough to not be considered an adaptation by the trades, otherwise they would've said this is based on Vineland.
where tf would pynchon get a credit if it just started shooting and not even the title has been revealed yet???
can some of y'all use your brains for a sec
My point is usually when a film goes into production that is based on a novel, the announcement of said film includes the fact that it is based on a novel. When TWBB was announced, it was said to be based on Oil. When IV was announced, it wasn't a secret as to what it was. This kind of secrecy surrounding a new film from an acclaimed filmmaker always has meant it's considered an original story. If it was Vineland, they would've said so. If it is Vineland, then this might be the first example of a novel adaptation not being announced for what it is by the trades.
Cynical explanation: they're downplaying the Vineland aspect because so many people disliked PTA's previous Pynchon adaptation and they don't want a load of negative coverage online before they're even done shooting the thing...
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 01, 2024, 10:08:15 AMCynical explanation: they're downplaying the Vineland aspect because so many people disliked PTA's previous Pynchon adaptation and they don't want a load of negative coverage online before they're even done shooting the thing...
I could see this being the case. I do wish it was set in the 80s if this really is Vineland. That's a decade I would like to see PTA return to.
While it's also more practical to set the story in 2024 than in 1984, I would suggest that PTA, in adapting the book, wants his movie to incorporate what he sees as some of the parallels between 1984 and 2024. In 1984, hippies and countercultural types had to come to terms with Reagan's reelection and the reality that it was his vision that would guide a conservative America moving forward. In 2024, liberals and progressives (PTA likely among them) are faced with the possibility of a second Trump presidency as the world around them fails to make progress on several existential issues that hold little interest for the far right (the ecological aspect, especially, perhaps). Even though this movie will come out after the upcoming election, I don't think the election result -- one way or the other -- will change the overall unease and sense of dislocation in the United States right now for certain demographics. DiCaprio is the surrogate for Pynchon's/PTA's writing in that regard. I trust that both of them have something to say about this moment.
Alright some of y'all clearly know nothing about Pynchon so it's kinda useless debating whether it's Vineland or not with you.
Go ahead and google "pictures of Thomas Pynchon" and see how many come up. Then tell me why you think they're not blasting his name around this production...
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 01, 2024, 11:01:28 AMWhile it's also more practical to set the story in 2024 than in 1984, I would suggest that PTA, in adapting the book, wants his movie to incorporate what he sees as some of the parallels between 1984 and 2024. In 1984, hippies and countercultural types had to come to terms with Reagan's reelection and the reality that it was his vision that would guide a conservative America moving forward. In 2024, liberals and progressives (PTA likely among them) are faced with the possibility of a second Trump presidency as the world around them fails to make progress on several existential issues that hold little interest for the far right (the ecological aspect, especially, perhaps). Even though this movie will come out after the upcoming election, I don't think the election result -- one way or the other -- will change the overall unease and sense of dislocation in the United States right now for certain demographics. DiCaprio is the surrogate for Pynchon's/PTA's writing in that regard. I trust that both of them have something to say about this moment.
Listen to the man with deductive reasoning...well put Magali.
Do you guys think a 2024 release date for this is possible? It seems like post might take a while with all the VFX shots, but if they finish by April let's say, that still gives them 6 months at least to finish the movie and get it out this year. Too quick a turnaround?
Phantom Thread accomplished this, but that was also a chamber drama while this one seems like a much more elaborate production. I think summer 2025 is more likely, following a Cannes premiere. Or maybe a SXSW premiere followed by a release date close to 4/20 given the subject matter (if it's Vineland).
I know we all will want to see, but they'd be bonkers not to release it in the October-December prestige window. So probably late 2025. More commercial than most PTA films, perhaps, but certainly not commercial enough to put up against a slate of popcorn films.
Finally landing DiCaprio after all these years ... and then giving him a makeover to look like Steven Ogg is certainly a choice.
(I say this with love -- don't flame me!)
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 01, 2024, 05:31:07 PMFinally landing DiCaprio after all these years ... and then giving him a makeover to look like Steven Ogg is certainly a choice.
(I say this with love -- don't flame me!)
Yeah lol I would love to see DiCaprio look cool again in a movie one day - he's still a good looking dude but slowly getting up there... I thought he was great in Killers for example but it's weird seeing him as such a loser. Doesn't quite quite feel right for him. (not saying he's a bad fit for this film at all though, I love the set pics we've seen so far)
Personally, I think DiCaprio is at his best when playing buffoons and idiots, not cool guys. I think his strongest performances are in The Wolf of Wall Street, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood and Killers of the Flower Moon. He has a gift for comedy.
sheets from upcoming filming in Sac and Stockton mentions a jail and a courthouse...I don't remember those in Vineland?
Apparently, they're also going to Texas. Does any part of Vineland take place in Texas?
Y'all gotta redefine your definition of screen adaptation. Tom Bombadil ain't in TLOR...does that mean it's a loose adaptation?
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 02, 2024, 01:09:32 PMApparently, they're also going to Texas. Does any part of Vineland take place in Texas?
it could just be used to recreate the town
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/paul-thomas-anderson-alana-haim-teyana-taylor-1235813631/
There's movement folks!
But I mean, damn, booking Teyana Taylor is crazy... the hype is real what even is this movie man
Freakin love seeing Wood Harris who is incredible, get to play in the PTA sandbox. PTA don't give a fckkkkkk. This is why I get hyped for this boy. His projects are singular af, no pandering to who's hot who's not. There's no fear in our boy! Wishing them all the best for this shoot. WTF is this movie!?!?!
Quote from: Vicko99 on February 02, 2024, 02:04:31 PMQuote from: Heisenberg on February 02, 2024, 01:09:32 PMApparently, they're also going to Texas. Does any part of Vineland take place in Texas?
it could just be used to recreate the town
I was kinda hoping it meant he was going back to Marfa. Imagine the TWBB landscapes in VistaVision.
There's at least a 5% chance he just calls the movie "BC Project," right?
Quote from: DAPPLE on February 02, 2024, 02:36:14 PMhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/paul-thomas-anderson-alana-haim-teyana-taylor-1235813631/
There's movement folks!
okay so...what would be the character distribution here
I kinda see Teyana as DL, idk the rest
The only roles I can imagine Alana in is either being one of Prairie's friends, or as a part of Isaiah Two Four's circle given her musical background... Or possibly as a ninjette?? who knows.
Just realised that Teyana Taylor is the woman from that famous Kanye West music video.
Interesting casting choices. There are now at least three people with musical abilities in the cast. Don't know if that signifies anything.
"The film commission was first notified by the location team for the studio feature film in April of 2019. "We are honored to have been on their radar for all these years and for the project to finally come to fruition..."
PTA's been prepping this since 2019!?!?!
Taken from Goodbye, Hollywood! Production Wraps on Filming in Humboldt County (https://kymkemp.com/2024/02/02/goodbye-hollywood-production-wraps-on-filming-in-humboldt-county/)
edit. wilberfan - just saw you posted this in the pta reddit, not biting i swear
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 03, 2024, 05:00:09 AMJust realised that Teyana Taylor is the woman from that famous Kanye West music video.
Interesting casting choices. There are now at least three people with musical abilities in the cast. Don't know if that signifies anything.
ITS GONNA BE A MUSICAL SING-ALONG
Quote from: max from fearless on February 03, 2024, 05:10:51 AM"The film commission was first notified by the location team for the studio feature film in April of 2019. "We are honored to have been on their radar for all these years and for the project to finally come to fruition..."
PTA's been prepping this since 2019!?!?!
Taken from Goodbye, Hollywood! Production Wraps on Filming in Humboldt County (https://kymkemp.com/2024/02/02/goodbye-hollywood-production-wraps-on-filming-in-humboldt-county/)
edit. wilberfan - just saw you posted this in the pta reddit, not biting i swear
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that he had a project that was pretty far along pre-COVID, and he temporarily shelved it and pivoted to Licorice Pizza as an easier thing to tackle during the pandemic. It will be interesting down the road to hear PTA talk about how his vision for this new film evolved, how much rewriting he did, perhaps given changes in the world and in his outlook between 2018 and 2024. Has the tone he envisioned for this evolved?
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 02, 2024, 06:11:31 AMPersonally, I think DiCaprio is at his best when playing buffoons and idiots, not cool guys. I think his strongest performances are in The Wolf of Wall Street, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood and Killers of the Flower Moon. He has a gift for comedy.
Yeah you're right I take it back. There's a level of pure confidence and charisma that he exudes in roles like The Departed, The Aviator, Wolf, etc. that I think is so fun to watch whether his character is a loser/asshole or not. This was, necessarily, not present in Killers. But just cause he's schlubby in this doesn't mean he's not charismatic
https://twitter.com/VinelandPTA/status/1753945043772309938
Idk if that is Zoyd y'all
what if Alana is playing Marjorie Taylor Greene lol
Quote from: Next Planet Over on February 04, 2024, 03:29:48 AMwhat if Alana is playing Marjorie Taylor Greene lol
Dont say that it will will be another back and forth theory for a week haha.
Slightly off topic, but it always amazes me - when watching BTS footage like that - how actors are able to get into the headspace of a scene while being closely followed by camera crew, sound guys, the director etc and snapped by a load of paparazzi.
In a way, I wonder if all the distractions ARE the headspace.
ANALOGY: An athlete probably prefers the screaming fans, stadium noise, crowded sideline, etc. Ask players to play in an empty stadium and they'd probably be unsettled
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 04, 2024, 09:24:33 AMIn a way, I wonder if all the distractions ARE the headspace.
ANALOGY: An athlete probably prefers the screaming fans, stadium noise, crowded sideline, etc. Ask players to play in an empty stadium and they'd probably be unsettled
I think it depends. Joaquin talks about one slow-motion shot of him walking down the subway in Joker where he's got a grin on his face and out of the corner of his eye he sees a paparazzi and his face turns into a scowl and he said something to the effect of he could never be a good enough actor to pull that off on his own.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 04, 2024, 09:24:33 AMIn a way, I wonder if all the distractions ARE the headspace.
ANALOGY: An athlete probably prefers the screaming fans, stadium noise, crowded sideline, etc. Ask players to play in an empty stadium and they'd probably be unsettled
Yeah, we saw this during COVID. I remember some NBA players finding games very strange, like glorified practices.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 03, 2024, 10:32:23 AMQuote from: max from fearless on February 03, 2024, 05:10:51 AM"The film commission was first notified by the location team for the studio feature film in April of 2019. "We are honored to have been on their radar for all these years and for the project to finally come to fruition..."
PTA's been prepping this since 2019!?!?!
Taken from Goodbye, Hollywood! Production Wraps on Filming in Humboldt County (https://kymkemp.com/2024/02/02/goodbye-hollywood-production-wraps-on-filming-in-humboldt-county/)
edit. wilberfan - just saw you posted this in the pta reddit, not biting i swear
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that he had a project that was pretty far along pre-COVID, and he temporarily shelved it and pivoted to Licorice Pizza as an easier thing to tackle during the pandemic. It will be interesting down the road to hear PTA talk about how his vision for this new film evolved, how much rewriting he did, perhaps given changes in the world and in his outlook between 2018 and 2024. Has the tone he envisioned for this evolved?
I'm pretty sure Licorice Pizza was announced pre covid though? Like December 2019?
Have we heard any talk about when they're going to be leaving California and going to Texas/Mexico? Given how quickly everything is moving I wouldn't be surprised if they were heading off within a week.
Been wondering if the rain has been affecting the Cali shoot.
They shot indoors on Sunday, but were out in it on Monday. Heard they're back to Sac today (Tues).
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 04, 2024, 09:24:33 AMIn a way, I wonder if all the distractions ARE the headspace.
ANALOGY: An athlete probably prefers the screaming fans, stadium noise, crowded sideline, etc. Ask players to play in an empty stadium and they'd probably be unsettled
*Cue the Joe Montana "Hey that's John Candy" Super Bowl story*
Sounds like they're in Sacramento until about the 20th.
Some local controversy over homeless encampments being cleared out by the city to accommodate the shoot.
The LOOK of this film, exteriors at least, will almost certainly be gray skies, damp and gloomy, right? That's been the weather for almost every outside shoot that we've seen. Even saw one video of them additionally watering down a street prior to shooting a scene. Will be interesting to see how PTA works within this aesthetic.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 10, 2024, 09:44:27 AMThe LOOK of this film, exteriors at least, will almost certainly be gray skies, damp and gloomy, right? That's been the weather for almost every outside shoot that we've seen. Even saw one video of them additionally watering down a street prior to shooting a scene. Will be interesting to see how PTA works within this aesthetic.
I wonder if, aesthetically, the closest point of comparison will be Magnolia?
Amid sightings of Leonardo DiCaprio and sounds of simulated gunfire being heard downtown, the Sacramento Film Office is issuing a notice that "a major motion picture" will continue production in the city this weekend.
According to the Sacramento Film Office, the production has blocked off Feb. 10 through 13, from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., as filming hours. During those times, residents and workers in the area are being warned that they may hear or see scenes like "simulated gunfire, car chases, crashes and helicopter work."
https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/leonardo-dicaprio-sacramento-movie-filming-more-downtown-street-closures/
Crazy level of action scenes.
The film that keeps roiling through my head -- and I know it won't have this level of futurism -- is Minority Report.
But I keep getting tripped up on Unforgiven, too: a film that turned a genre on its head while commenting on it.
Have y'all seen the pic where Leo is cleanshaven and wearing a suit alongside Teyana Taylor? Wonder if they're shooting semi-sequentially and the hippie facial hair comes at the beginning, before he "cleans up"? (And, yes, I know the entirety of the facial hair could be makeup)
Someone must have mentioned the following
Since we're just blueskying here "to pass a piece", to no real effect—Has anyone noticed a vibe of irreverency hovering about the production?
Examples : Leonardo's antic telephone call; and his skulking along the overpass; and his questionable suit; and some of the seemingly light-hearted signage?
Is a comic element explicable in all this?
But since PT is the Triple Tone (a breathtaking rarity in narrative art), Scroob imagines that the humo(u)r of BC Project may be integrated into a more complex mood-engineering. Well, obviously.
Whatever BC Project turns out to be at its premiere, no doubt it'll be far more than that.
Vineland Updates
@VinelandPTA
10/2/24 LOCATION: BC Project will spend four days shooting in San Juan Bautista, California, at the end of February.
Mission Plaza, Zanetta House, the Plaza Hotel bar and the mission itself have all been named as potential shooting locations. https://benitolink.com/hollywood-film-plans-to-shoot-scenes-in-san-juan-bautista/
Quote from: max from fearless on February 02, 2024, 02:52:45 PMFreakin love seeing Wood Harris who is incredible, get to play in the PTA sandbox. PTA don't give a fckkkkkk. This is why I get hyped for this boy. His projects are singular af, no pandering to who's hot who's not. There's no fear in our boy! Wishing them all the best for this shoot. WTF is this movie!?!?!
Simply enough, it is always exciting to see an alum from "The Wire" get action in a PTA feature...of course Michael K. Williams as Tariq Kalil was a serendipitous moment for this fanboy.
One thing that just occurred to me is the fact that he's using a Girls Trip alum in Regina Hall. Feels all the more clear that his Haddish enthusiasm has fizzled.
Quote from: jzakko on February 11, 2024, 09:28:34 AMOne thing that just occurred to me is the fact that he's using a Girls Trip alum in Regina Hall. Feels all the more clear that his Haddish enthusiasm has fizzled.
Like all of us, he saw The Card Counter.
If this was the film he had in mind for Haddish when Phantom Thread came out, then he has been cooking this project up since at least 2017.
This https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120755719/tiffany-haddish-aries-spears-accused-child-abuse-lawsuit may be part of why he didn't use Haddish.
A fun thought : inside the mind of a putative PTA on the cinematic move as Scroob types : You'all in the Industry are burning energy on the awards circuit, expenditure otherwise channeled into art, while I, thank God, am doing it. You're chatting about the dream over cocktails. Me? I'm inside the dream; I'm burning film. And just wait till you get a load of me.
Initially, from the bts clips, i also felt their was a touch of 'comic' 'zany' 'irreverence' (leo's wardrobe?) brewing with this movie (and i'm sure there still is, PTA is a tonal g) but NOW, having scrambled in the dark, with a few more random bits of bts from this week, which i am hyped and grateful for, the movie ALSO feels: frantic (skulking around) chaotic, paranoid, IN MOTION (car chases, running from police) and therefore propulsive! Teyana running from the cops, shiiiiiiii, I hope this stuff makes it into the picture!
The camera set ups for the police chases have been really interesting (a lot of movement) and the Vista Vision talk is cool (some of Poor Things is Vista Vision madness courtesy of Robbie Ryan)
Whether this is Vineland or not, one of my issues with PTA and Pynchon's IV Movie is that it felt a bit stilted, almost as if the movie had happened already and we were picking up some sort of replay feedback fumes (weed blowback?) somewhat like a hallucogenic staged play in parts (which maybe should've been even more trippy? too much loyalty to the text, perhaps?)
Whereas Phantom Thread felt so highly charged (the crackling fire from the off OMG delicious) drifting through rips in space-time with those amazing cross dissolves that pierced the veil to offer up spectral delights, yet with this furious, raw, viscious and delicous English interplay between all the live wire leads. (i've got a friend who is just like woodcock the twat, same freakin energy) But everyone in that movie LIVE WIRE, electric!!!! Locations costumes all so ALIVE and carrying so much of the load story wise....
Scrobby, when you spoke of revengers tragedy, I was hoping for a TWBB vibe with this one - something operatic, epic, highly focused, singular with a propulsive force guiding us out into the nether regions and emotionally violent gushers of its own (maybe cos subconsciously I want this to echo TWBB and be a cultural juggernaut with this budget and interest and TWBB is his 'biggest' movie to date (maaan, i still remember people who weren't PTA fanatics until that movie walking around talking about Milkshakes) But I digress, who TF knows what the hell this is!?!?!?!
I'm hoping it's electrical, full of sparks and shocks, even if it is a scattershot panorama or a more episodic portrait fare like Licorice Pizza, whatever tf it is, please let it be LIVE WIRE PTA!!!!
Rattle the fckin cages Paul, movies are kinda boring af right now. It took Godzilla Minus One to wake my ass up. Pls, Rattle Rattle Rattle and electrocute!
Quote from: max from fearless on February 13, 2024, 06:23:10 PMRattle the fckin cages Paul, movies are kinda boring af right now. Pls, Rattle Rattle Rattle and electrocute!
Now
this is art! It wakes us up. It's what we need. Art is the greatest therapeutic tool available to the human soul—if we know how to use it.
Max's excitement! Our excitement!
This is why first-rate artists should be fostered and cherished.
Knock it out of the park, PTA! Knock us all out. To give us food for thought, and therein, hopefully, make us better, more thoughtful people.
Whatever the genre mashup, whatever the tone, whatever the film stock, whatever amount of people running appears in the movie, I am confident that PTA moved Vineland's setting from the 1980s to the present because he has something meaningful to say about the 2020s.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 14, 2024, 09:17:06 AMWhatever the genre mashup, whatever the tone, whatever the film stock, whatever amount of people running appears in the movie, I am confident that PTA moved Vineland's setting from the 1980s to the present because he has something meaningful to say about the 2020s.
Agreed. On 30 Jan Scroob remarked :
Also, many Elizabethan revenge tragedies have a social element to them; that is to say, the genre was used to comment on the dystopic conditions of the time.
I love this sentence on Vineland's (the novel) Wikipedia page:
Paul Thomas Anderson has spoken many times of his love for, and desire to adapt, the novel. As of February 2024, it is heavily rumored and believed only on the fringes to be true that he has finally begun filming this adaptation, with first time collaborator Leonardo DiCaprio in the role of Zoyd Wheeler.
That's fucking hilarious
Hey, that makes ME fringe!! That's a cool thing to be, right? 8-)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/25a087d731b837803df8873bf64acce9/0f352e29321c5959-12/s1280x1920/7f6e53b014b653a981d01bad2f07e3e9b8f63ffb.jpg)
Michael Bauman on camera. Let's go!!!
Wow that's exciting to see!
the 500T and 1 stop push might be a clue he's going for a rougher texture like on IV and PT, love seeing the Leica glass, the 1.85 ratio was confirmed in recent BTS footage, my favorite morsels that get leaked are all the little hints to how it will look.
There sure seem to be a lot of car chases/driving scenes
variety says the budget is 115m, leo got 20.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/warner-bros-spending-joker-2-budget-tom-cruise-deal-1235917640/
Quote from: Achpi on February 21, 2024, 01:12:29 PMvariety says the budget is 115m, leo got 20.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/warner-bros-spending-joker-2-budget-tom-cruise-deal-1235917640/
From the same article - now praying this film is a hit, because I hate the tone of the following, who the hell are these execs across town and what the hell have they made that will be remembered in 20 fckn years, the audacity of these folks:
But executives across town believe Warners' math sometimes doesn't add up, with the studio decried as fiscally irresponsible. The Anderson film, for instance, was greenlit with a $115 million budget, according to sources. Underscoring the gamble, none of the director's movies has crossed $80 million at the box office. His latest, 2021's "Licorice Pizza," made $33 million worldwide. Even with Cruise's star power, "Magnolia" only mustered $48.5 million. (It was De Luca, then a New Line exec, who convinced Cruise to play "Magnolia's" misogynistic self-help guru.) The pair are said to be less pumped about another auteur's latest: Bong Joon Ho's "Mickey 17." In January, Warner Bros. pulled the $150 million Robert Pattinson sci-fi starrer from its schedule and then moved it to 2025. A Warner rep insists: "There is, of course, enthusiasm for it."
I know it's way more expensive to film police car and helicopter chases than to have Alana Haim slow-rolling down a hillside, but I'm getting curiouser and curiouser where this $115M (OK, $95M after Leo) is going to show up on the screen.
Also, while I might be reading way way too much into this article, is it wrong to think that a door is opening to a future PTA/Cruise reunion?
Quote from: max from fearless on February 21, 2024, 02:11:36 PMQuote from: Achpi on February 21, 2024, 01:12:29 PMvariety says the budget is 115m, leo got 20.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/warner-bros-spending-joker-2-budget-tom-cruise-deal-1235917640/
From the same article - now praying this film is a hit, because I hate the tone of the following, who the hell are these execs across town and what the hell have they made that will be remembered in 20 fckn years, the audacity of these folks:
But executives across town believe Warners' math sometimes doesn't add up, with the studio decried as fiscally irresponsible. The Anderson film, for instance, was greenlit with a $115 million budget, according to sources. Underscoring the gamble, none of the director's movies has crossed $80 million at the box office. His latest, 2021's "Licorice Pizza," made $33 million worldwide. Even with Cruise's star power, "Magnolia" only mustered $48.5 million. (It was De Luca, then a New Line exec, who convinced Cruise to play "Magnolia's" misogynistic self-help guru.) The pair are said to be less pumped about another auteur's latest: Bong Joon Ho's "Mickey 17." In January, Warner Bros. pulled the $150 million Robert Pattinson sci-fi starrer from its schedule and then moved it to 2025. A Warner rep insists: "There is, of course, enthusiasm for it."
I already told ya'll that studio executives don't think of PTA in the same way we do and I was deemed a hater. Executives don't care about movies. They care about the bottom line. PTA has never been great for the bottom line.
PTA out there making a weird-looking movie with an insane budget and driving some of the worst people on the internet (hello, World of Reel commenters) crazy in the process. You love to see it. One does, indeed, gotta hand it to 'im.
Relevant to our recent Tom Cruise discussion:
"In what would mark his first English-language studio film since THE REVENANT, Alejandro G. inarritu has found his next film and tapped none other then Tom Cruise to star in it"
filming outside Ronald Reagan's old house in East Sacramento
DL without sign-in :
https://vimeo.com/915700045
I remember some years ago PTA gave an interview where he said he wouldn't make an action movie because he found it boring waiting around for all the pyrotechnics, stunts etc to be set up. I guess he's changed his mind!
In an ideal world, who would you guys want to be composing the soundtrack? A little left of field, but from what we've seen of production so far, I think JG Thirlwell would be the absolute perfect guy for the job. Ex-industrial legend from the 80's, turned experimental composer doing the soundtracks for Archer, Venture Bros, so forth (amongst other personal mindfuckery art projects).
I love Greenwood as much as the next guy, but Thirlwell has just the right amount of personal experience with late-hippie lifestyles, drug + alternative music subcultures, and general stick-it-to-the-man-ness to make him a perfect match.
Greenwood has been confirmed for this though, right?
Edith Bowman mentioned it on her Soundtracking podcast after she had interviewed Greenwood (and The Smile) as part of a PTA/Wall of Eyes screening event in London in January.
She mentions it during the first two and a half minutes of this episode:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/episode-411-alexander-payne-on-the-music-of-the-holdovers/id1140497332?i=1000642253181 (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/episode-411-alexander-payne-on-the-music-of-the-holdovers/id1140497332?i=1000642253181)
I want a Paul Thomas Anderson film scored by Goblin.
WB added this to their schedule officially. It is releasing August 8th 2025 in IMAX and currently listed as PAUL THOMAS ANDERSON EVENT FILM.
they are really playing this as an event 110m dollars movie starring leonardo di caprio.
can't wait to know what this movie is !
Given that most of us were probably assuming sometime between late October and Christmas 2025, this is a happy turn of events.
514 days to go.
I guess they are doing interiors now. I was enjoying the set leaks
so the movie could have a 175m budget...
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/3/24/paul-thomas-andersons-new-film-actually-costs-175-million
Quote from: Achpi on March 25, 2024, 11:11:21 AMso the movie could have a 175m budget...
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/3/24/paul-thomas-andersons-new-film-actually-costs-175-million
Always take his scoops with a grain of salt, but his most recent one about Euphoria ended up being true and he was the first to claim this was going to be $100 million before the trades mentioned it a few days later, so who knows. He's had some bad misses, too. The "secret" David Lynch movie being the biggest lol
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Such a set-up recalls the prehistoric days when PTA edited his films from VCR to VCR; and recalls the production company of EWS : "Hobby Films".
PTA—shooting his "event film" as if it were a home movie!
$175M + PG-13 + major VFX indicates to me there must be some sci-fi and/or futuristic elements. Not sure why the cost would be so high otherwise. They are clearly aiming for a commercial bonanza.
You can hear plenty of f bombs in the leaked set videos. This isn't pg 13
Quote from: Find Your Magali on March 28, 2024, 10:10:38 AM$175M + PG-13 + major VFX indicates to me there must be some sci-fi and/or futuristic elements. Not sure why the cost would be so high otherwise. They are clearly aiming for a commercial bonanza.
The notion of a blockbuster hit from PTA is rather mind-boggling, to be honest.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on March 28, 2024, 10:10:38 AMcommercial bonanza.
Why muse on possible grosses? An idle pastime; but also a hope. What if, say, PTA has a
2001 : A Space Odyssey–type movie waiting in the b.g., a production to ramp up only if the (previously unthinkable) opportunity arises—i.e., a colossal hit awarding him Nolanesque carte blanche?
With Leo in the picture :
2010
Inception $839 million
2012
Django Unchained $426 million
2013
The Great Gatsby $353.6 million
2013
The Wolf of Wall Street $406.9 million
2015
The Revenant $533 million
2019
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood $377.6 million
2023
Killers of the Flower Moon $157 million
Glinda the Good Witch believes Leo can absolutely still hit $500 mil and higher without breaking a sweat—
with the right project;—and it helps that IMAX is in the Situation.
e.g.,
Top Gun: Maverick (2022) $1,495,696,292
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The Upcoming PTA Event Film should be the smartest blockbuster of summer 2025.
The current Situation may be the most crucial in PTA's career; possibly just-about equivalent in criticality to "getting his first break".
The most delicious irony of all would be if it becomes such a box office success that the Academy shuns it.
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What if we receive the following images not from Licorice Pizza but as if from a serious hardcore action picture? Are the shots convincing in that alternate context?
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In retrospect—the Truck scene may be absorbed as an "out-of-town" tryout for PTA's next?
I'm thinking you could absolutely have made a Cabin Fever/The Hitcher type horror film with Alana and Cooper being terrorized by Bradley.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on April 02, 2024, 10:23:42 PMI'm thinking you could absolutely have made a Cabin Fever/The Hitcher type horror film with Alana and Cooper being terrorized by Bradley.
Ohh, I'd actually love to see PTA make that kind of a horror film.
Basso ostinato.
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Gazing into fading light; aware of coming dusk and night. Tension—terror slithers in darkness. // Superimposition : Alana is the fading light. Do not go gentle into that good night!
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Cooper. What's that? God, my heart is pounding.
Alana. Oh s**t. It's him.
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Cooper watches in horror as his past and future catch up to him.
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Heroic fanfare of synaesthetic lights : confidence, concentration, dominance. A behemoth taking baby steps—one minor blip and the whole game's up.
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Alana. God, I feel your heart pounding.
Cooper. Pay attention.
Revolution
"It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks."
"A Declaration of Independence", in Malcolm X Speaks (New York : Grove Press, 1990), 21.
Anyone got any idea what's going on with this movie? Are they on a long hiatus? Have they wrapped? What's the dealio?
Treasure hunt to pass a moment in overwhelming fun
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Can't recall if this was actually confirmed or just assumed, but it's mentioned in this Guardian interview with Jonny that he's scoring the new movie.
"And he's already started work on the next Paul Thomas Anderson film (rumoured to be starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn and Alana Haim), which will be their sixth collaboration, as well as another film with a different director. "I'm incredibly lucky that Paul indulges me and gives me so much time to experiment and compose," he says. "That's not usually the case in Hollywood, where the soundtrack writers are often very far down the food chain, and are sometimes given only a couple of days to bash out a complete score."
https://amp.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/may/10/jonny-greenwood-im-still-arsing-around-on-instruments-like-when-i-was-a-kid (https://amp.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/may/10/jonny-greenwood-im-still-arsing-around-on-instruments-like-when-i-was-a-kid)
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thinking of
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U-Turn (1997)
Damn, spoilers! Some of us are still catching up on the pre-2000s flicks ;p
Joking of course.
All the desert pics send me back to the days of No Country for Old Men rollout. Can't wait to feel this film's specific sense of chase, though.
I don't know why exactly, but something about the BTS tidbits and photos makes me think that this is going to be PTA's version of a John Carpenter movie.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4L_zi7RcV0
If the tone was as propulsive, taut and relentless as the times we are living in, this could be something very.............Honestly, No Country for Old Men and TWBB in the same year was a cosmic occurence. So, curious to meet the mood of this thing...
Note the return of a vibe remarked on earlier in this thread—the inherent humor in Leo's character. In the video just above, he seems, possibly, in the first shot, not very savvy with weaponry; yet in the second shot looks as precise as Charles Whitman. Though, of course, he's wearing a bathrobe? Like the Big Lebowski? And Jack at the Overlook? And in one shot, during his retreat he seems to trip up—the comedy of fouling up a victory lap? . . . Which suggests a scroobiplexity of tone : the wacky (e.g., falling off a chair) is wedded to cool predatory precision. What takes place here evokes a War of the Worlds- and The Thing-type open question : What happened inside the crater?
I was rewatching Sion Sono's Love Exposure yesterday and after 10mins I felt that this is the way to do Pynchon esque ish. Shifting tones, every actor and crew member utterly commited and DEVOTED to the thing (One thing I can say about Oppenheimer is that everyone cast/crew was devoted, its clear in every freakin frame) Through the Sono lense I imagined this new one shifting between slapstick, irreverent humour, brutality, rush and dash lyricism, spectral wonder (PTA and ghosts) raw nitty gritty violence (the derick falling on HW's real father) sci-fi musings - not unlike Repo Man's delicious tone and rhythm. MUSIC WILL BE SO IMPORTANT HERE. My problem with Inherent Vice is its slow and stilted mood, when I read the book it felt like pure paranoid unfurling, it was a MOVING POISONOUS TRIP. I'm really interested to see if this movie MOVES in the way Licorice Pizza and the first couple of sequences of PT. Like the succession of scenes, the accumulation of details: dress making, anxious dark panic and high-speed countryside driving at dawn is a SPELL. A raw seduction. Yes, thats what I want to say, I hope PTA casts a spell with this one. Please do not be a slave to pages of dialogue (like IV) My favourite PTA stories are spells, we the audience is taken under and through a dream of accumulating moods and details all DEVOTED. The Master. God, its so good for this. The scene where Freddie walks along the dock, we track with him, he jumps onto the ship, score mixes from the celebration music to the adventurous score (DELICIOUS AND ELICITING SO MANY EMOTIONS) the boat sets off and drifts under a bridge, the sky vivid. I DARE YOU TO WATCH THIS SCENE AND TELL ME THIS IS NOT A MOTHERFUCKIN SPELL!!!
Absolutely. Kaleidoscopic multipsychic forward momentum, like a logarithmically expanding mushroom cloud going in all directions while contracting to a sharp point. "I put a spell on you"—Wild at Heart
Quote from: Scrooby on June 14, 2024, 06:43:00 AMKaleidoscopic multipsychic forward momentum
I want this on a T-shirt!
Scrooby, honestly I dont know who you are but maaan, if you're not writing books you better be making motherfreakin movies. Cmon man!!! Obviously couldn't put it better myself. Lynch too. Not the same style (but i love them both for having their own sounds) but the accumulation of details and the comedy/violence/musical multitonality. We don't talk enough about how funny Lynch is (on and off camera too) Twin Peaks 3 is so many tones but maybe the opposite of forward momentum. But tonally when he wants to he can get it MOVING and he can multitone with an expansiveness that results in the mushroom cloud from Twin Peaks 3 epsiode 8
Benicio Del Toro Joins Paul Thomas Anderson's Next Film. (https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/6/14/benicio-del-toro-joins-paul-thomas-andersons-new-film)
Cannot fucking wait. Let Benicio go off the rails in IMAX pls.
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I think PTA is in full-blown, Jack Horner "this is the one I want them to remember me by" mode.
He's been making this movie in his mind for years. Now it's all pouring out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4L_zi7RcV0
Call me crazy but the guy in red who gets into the blue automobile looks a lot like Edward Norton (zoom in very closely).
Quote from: Rick Dalton on June 16, 2024, 03:53:04 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4L_zi7RcV0
Call me crazy but the guy in red who gets into the blue automobile looks a lot like Edward Norton (zoom in very closely).
I doubt its him nortons in New York shooting the mangold bob dylan film at the moment aint it..
A fun list initiated to pass the time lightly
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Films in which hands exclusively are desecrated by enemies.
Django (1966)
Fellini's Satyricon (1969)
Five Fingers of Death (1972)
The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Blade Runner (1982)
The Pope of Greenwich Village (1984)
Wild at Heart (1990)
Casino (1995)
U-Turn (1997)
Planet Terror (2007)
The Grand Budapest Hotel (2014)
Bonus :
Hands desecrated by self.
The Yakuza (1974)
Escape from Alcatraz (1979)
The Departed (2006)
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/6/23/brad-pitt-cast-in-paul-thomas-andersons-latest
It is now rumored that Brad Pitt has joined the cast. (This is Jordan Ruimy though, so take this with a huge grain of salt)
While we're tossing rumors, here's a less wild one....
Vineland Updates
@VinelandPTA
23/6/24 RUMOR: A source alleges that Paul Thomas Anderson has acquired the distribution rights to Thomas Pynchon's Vineland. BC Project is alleged to contain elements of the novel, but is not a 1:1 adaptation.
Sean Penn mentions Hollywood's Timid and Artless Policy Toward the Human Imagination, as quoted in today's Variety.
"That's a bold statement"—setting the scene for August 2025.
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Sidonia the Sorceress
William Morris at Kelmscott Press
1893.
Sally Potters . . . production coordinator : Desert Unit
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Greed (1924)
based on a novel by Frank Norris, a close contemporary of Upton Sinclair.
Very interesting. She was also involved with Licorice Pizza and Inherent Vice but also, interestingly, has a lot of experience with effects-heavy movies.
Supervising art director Andrew Max Cahn has also worked on a number of big effects/big CGI films.
Fante Zamora ... Set Dresser : San Juan Bautista
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Heavy Vertigo vibes.
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The Plaza Hotel is located on the site of the original barracks for the soldiers of the Mission San Juan Bautista, which was founded in 1797 as California's fifteenth mission.
no longer untitled, it seems ?
"The Battle of Baktan Cross"
Quote from: Achpi on August 02, 2024, 01:16:31 PMno longer untitled, it seems ?
"The Battle of Baktan Cross"
I'd be amazed if that ends up being the real title.
Has there been anymore talk of anymore potential cast members added?
That title sounds so ordinary. Blech.
If it were just Baktan Cross I'd like it more. Or Batman Cross, as autocorrect seems to think I mean.
I wonder if we'll see any kind of teaser trailer before the end of the year. Recently it seems like the studios are waiting until closer to the release date to commence the marketing push eg Furiosa, Gladiator II
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on August 05, 2024, 11:38:47 AMI wonder if we'll see any kind of teaser trailer before the end of the year. Recently it seems like the studios are waiting until closer to the release date to commence the marketing push eg Furiosa, Gladiator II
I would put money on not seeing any sort of footage until May next year. May 20th is my guess mark my words.
"What the California desert was like back in the day!"
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1930s - 1940s
"From what I've read, the Devil's Cactus Garden is pretty barren now. People have dug up a lot of the cactus to put in their gardens, or landscapers will sell cactus to customers. I read in AZ, the authorities have put microchips in the cactus to catch the cactus thieves."
https://cinematography.com/index.php?/forums/topic/102207-what-the-california-desert-was-like-back-in-the-day/
There are much more important questions, but is it:
The Battle of Baktan Cross
or
The Battle of Baktin Cross
I want to make sure I get my iron-on decals for those Jersey boardwalk souvenir T-shirt stands right.
During the early BTS we were getting in Northern California, the police cars had emblems that said, "CITY OF BAKTAN CROSS POLICE DEPARTMENT".
Batman Cross, I say!
Apropos of zilch, BaktanCross.com and BaktinCross.com are both available-to-buy URLs at the moment. First year is only a penny!
(BattleOfBaktanCross.com -- that's a mouthful -- is currently taken, though)
Old news.
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"ancient Maya bak'tun < bak'-, apparently a multiplier (only attested in calendars) + tun period of 360 days."
"baktun typically occurs about 0.02 times per million words in modern written English."
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The Battle of Baktan Cross = How long, Lord? How long?
Hol ly wood !
Salo theme playing while the cross comes up in H8teful Eight
Surely BC Project will have some Salo in it too
Just for yuks, since
S/Z is visible in
Magnolia :
Baktan recalls Mikhail Bakhtin, a darling of university English departments back in the early 1990s.
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Medieval French
tans : noun; oblique singular <tens, tans> time
Ancient Mayan
tun : period of 360 days
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Heures à l'usage de Rome
Paris : Par Philippe Pigouchet.
M.CCCC.iiii.vv.c.viiii.
Photo by Scrooby
https://x.com/TheInSneider/status/1823752920271348047
sneider, who also broke the title, seems to have good sources on this one. and so it does seem the budget is at least 150m. who would have thought pta would ever get such a budget ? and for what kind of movie ? seems insane.
Two possibilities, as far as I can see:
1. There's some sort of spectacular high concept and/or series of big action set-pieces that got Warner Bros thinking this will set the box office alight
2. Zaslav greenlit PTA's ambitious and expensive but uncommercial project (the equivalent of something like Alexander Payne's Downsizing) because he wants Warner Bros to look like a juicy acquisition to potential buyers, even though no one really expects it to be a runaway hit
I'm leaning towards option 2...
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La Rochelle , 1375
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Rosebecque , 1382
Illuminated illustrations of Froissart&
Illuminations From The Froissart In The Bibliotheque Royale, ParisLondon : William Smith, 1844
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Scrooby's PSA
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This post conveys that the title of the upcoming PTA movie has (among whatever else) an historical, authoritative, antique air about it; in this sense the title is a dispassionate deictic to signify an historical account.
2
An earlier post explores the personal dimension of the title ("the dark night of the soul" : the endless wrestling with one's self). 3
Then there is the "coming to a head" air about the title : crossing paths. . . . e.g., Guy Haines : "Criss-cross."
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Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on August 14, 2024, 01:31:55 PMTwo possibilities, as far as I can see:
1. There's some sort of spectacular high concept and/or series of big action set-pieces that got Warner Bros thinking this will set the box office alight
2. Zaslav greenlit PTA's ambitious and expensive but uncommercial project (the equivalent of something like Alexander Payne's Downsizing) because he wants Warner Bros to look like a juicy acquisition to potential buyers, even though no one really expects it to be a runaway hit
I'm leaning towards option 2...
Uncommercial? Maybe. But I'm dubious.
PTA obviously has no Nolanesque or Fincheresque track record.
But I have no doubt that if he's spending $140M+ (setting aside Leo's salary), he's doing it in a way that's artistic and very entertaining.
PTA has too much talent and pride to spend that kind of money on Greaser's Palace II or The Return of O.C. and Stiggs.
And PTA, who I'm sure has ambitions beyond this film, knows that box office success will make it far, far easier to achieve those ambitions than if he makes a megamillion dud.
There is always the third possibility that the industry still considers DiCaprio as a B.O. draw.
I dont think the tepid performance of KotFM, a heavy 3,5hr project with a ballooned budget, would be able to change that perspective.
The first trailer (months away), I'm sure, will lean heavily into Leo; he has to sell this thing. And while we've seen stills and his outfits, we know very little about what we're getting from him. Is it The Dude meets Three Days of the Condor? Is he funny? Grumpy? Angry at the world? Heartbroken? Determined to change the system? In love? A father on a mission? His charisma will (have to) drive the opening box office.
Fly the Friendly Skies with Scrooby
Around the year 1998 PTA tours the EWS set. Now : PTA is infixed in his own Kubrick Situation.—An unlimited budget and endless shooting schedule (so to speak). What shall eventuate from this magic Situation? It took Scroob five years to begin to understand Phantom Thread, so perhaps we'll come to understand Battle in, say, 2030. Best wishes.
On the night of Christ's Nativity
They came with no place to live, no common
hostel where all people go; thus, that night,
our blessed lady and mother of God
was delivered on the hay in a stable.
That night, a temple of peace, meant to stand
by word of Apollo, collapsed from its base;
which place is now Santa Maria Rotonda.
John Chrysostomos says a starre appeared,
which led the three kings toward Jerusalem;
while the prophetess informed the emperor,
The child is greater than thee; adore him.
Saint Austyn saith the vengeance of God
shall be so cruél on the day of doom
that the sonne shall not dare to beholde it.
Looks like they might go for the "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" release strategy and move it up to July 25
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/10/21/pmu4zds2vqisinghbcshjqmh2ui1vd
Deliverance
While we're sitting here cosylike, let's meander a moment. Behind Industry doors on the Beverly Hills circuit, is PTA dismissed as an "arty" director who has never delivered the $? So now PTA is in the position of Warren Beatty during post-production of Bonnie & Clyde (1967). Scrooby recalls the well-documented story of Beatty premiering the film at the DGA. Will PTA deliver the goods and elicit the following response that one director gave afterwards? "Well," said whoever it was who stood up in the auditorum, "Warren Beatty just shoved it ** *** ***."
Highest grossing movies of 1967 : 5. Bonnie & Clyde Warner Bros.
PTA Power Incoming.
Quote from: WorldForgot on August 12, 2024, 02:59:41 PMSurely BC Project will have some Salo in it too
Hic aliud maius miseris multoque tremendum
obicitur magis atque improvida pectora turbat.
Laocoön, ductus Neptuno sorte sacerdos,
sollemnis taurum ingentem mactabat ad aras.
Ecce autem gemini a Tenedo tranquilla per alta
(horresco referens) immensis orbibus angues
incumbunt pelago pariterque ad litora tendunt:
pectora quorum inter fluctus arrecta iubaeque
sanguineae superant undas; pars cetera pontum
pone legit sinuatque immensa volumine terga.
Fit sonitus spumante
salo;
salo /
the open sea, the deep.
σάλος /
rolling swell of the sea.
https://x.com/thefilmstage/status/1858948666368667779?s=46 (https://x.com/thefilmstage/status/1858948666368667779?s=46)
Sean Penn. I would just encourage everybody to be as politically incorrect as their heart desires.
https://variety.com/2024/film/global/sean-penn-marrakech-political-incorrectness-stephen-fry-1236231582/
While we're all sitting quietly, has anyone considered the sudden camera realignments here :
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for example : unsure footing, instability, chaos brewing
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for example : the man is the measure of all things. And at the moment the maniac seems ὀρθός.
Looks like we have a new strong contender for the final title in "One Battle After Another"
"The Battle of Baktan Cross" was better and I wasnt the biggest fan.
We need a "There Will Be Blood" title level zinger!
Cinema needs it.
Cmon PTA do that Soggy Bottom switcheroonie on us!
R.I.P. Adam Somner
One Battle After Another is really weak. I refuse to believe it.
Jeez. Just call it Leo Kicks Ass and it'll make a billion and that's that.
How about Heraclitus?
PTA's LIVE BY BATTLE
Quote from: Scrooby on December 16, 2024, 04:56:02 PMHow about Heraclitus?
PTA's LIVE BY BATTLE
Now thats a title! It's active and suggests a real point of view slash philosophy, love it.
Wilber I know you have the teams ear, let em know what we (ie. Scrooby's) rustled up!
Shall we chill a moment and point out that One Battle After Another conveys a Vineland epoch-vibe via an echo of Frank Zappa's "Trouble Coming Every Day" (1966)?
yeah, terrible title. he's usually so good at them.
Batman Crocs! :yabbse-angry:
Quote from: Scrooby on December 17, 2024, 06:29:05 AMShall we chill a moment and point out that One Battle After Another conveys a Vineland epoch-vibe via an echo of Frank Zappa's "Trouble Coming Every Day" (1966)?
Also obviously it's kinda like what your jaded, tired relative might say "It's always one thing after another!"
Except here it's a heist, a chase, a firefight, possibly stemming from your jaded, tired relatives rebellion in youth.
Ugh ~ it's always one battle after another in this life
Fun times with Scrooby : the word "battle" in Vineland.
persons in full battle gear stomping through vegetable patches
But they were to find themselves, amazingly, on the same side of the law after all, which meant no custodial battles ever
Ditzah and her sister Zipi were going around in battle fatigues
Strikers battled strikebreakers and police by a fence at the edge of a pure green feathery field of artichokes while storm clouds moved in and out of the frame.
coed cuties in miniskirts being handled by troopers in full battle gear
scrambling for tips and offering other such hints of his eagerness to be brevetted on life's battlefield to a rank higher than he would ever, by the terms of his enlistment, have deserved.
headlights on in the daytime, troops in full battle gear
it would be one of those epic courtroom battles over deep philosophical issues. Is the Tube human?
When the Earth was still a paradise, long long ago, two great empires, Hell and Heaven, battled for its possession. Hell won, and Heaven withdrew to an appropriate distance.
I'm just now learning that Adam Somner, PTA's longtime collaborator and the first assistant director for next summer's movie, died last month of cancer.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/adam-somner-dead-assistant-director-steven-spielberg-martin-scorsese-1236231166/
Very sad news. I have to think he's getting the "in memory of" or the "for..." at the conclusion of the final movie he worked on.
Quote from: Find Your Magali on December 21, 2024, 11:23:42 AMI'm just now learning that Adam Somner, PTA's longtime collaborator and the first assistant director for next summer's movie, died last month of cancer.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/adam-somner-dead-assistant-director-steven-spielberg-martin-scorsese-1236231166/
Very sad news. I have to think he's getting the "in memory of" or the "for..." at the conclusion of the final movie he worked on.
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This funeral program was shared in our Xixax discord.
Is there possibly a first assistant director with a greater resume in film history?
It's hard to imagine. Personally one of the few others I know by name is Gregory Jacobs - but Adam Somner's career is singularly varied and impactful.
there's a small rumour it's being pushed back to 2026. or, at least, to fall.
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/12/30/paul-thomas-andersons-next-film-delayed-to-2026
but jeff sneider, who's been a great source on this, is "not buying it".
Quote from: Achpi on December 30, 2024, 03:54:18 PMthere's a small rumour it's being pushed back to 2026. or, at least, to fall.
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/12/30/paul-thomas-andersons-next-film-delayed-to-2026
but jeff sneider, who's been a great source on this, is "not buying it".
The rumour appears to be based on almost nothing except some guy probably misspeaking in a podcast. The World of Reel guy just shamelessly posts any old tittle tattle on certain films in order to drive traffic on his site because certain filmmakers are red meat to the trolls that frequent his comments section.
Not saying it isn't possible that Zaslav is getting cold feet about putting out multiple risky big-budget projects next year, given the failure of Joker 2, but somehow I doubt that the one starring Leo Dicaprio would be the one that gets pushed.
"Of course we don't know the title. Or anything else, officially. Letterboxd is calling it "The Battle of Baktan Cross," so maybe that's it. We know that Anderson started shooting in Humboldt County about a year ago and wrapped in El Paso a few months later. The film stars Leonardo DiCaprio (sporting a handlebar mustache), Regina Hall, Sean Penn, Alana Haim and Benicio del Toro. It might be loosely inspired by Thomas Pynchon's joyous blast of a novel, "Vineland." Or it might not. (In the past, Anderson said it was "just too intimidating" to tackle "Vineland," adding "my brain's not big enough.") Warner Bros. has dubbed the movie an "event film," giving it a summer release date and a reported $115 million budget. Looking to separate fact from fiction, I emailed Anderson who, of course, was of no help. "I need to start figuring out what the f— to say," he replied. True. Summer will be here before we know it."
— Glenn Whipp. LA Times. The 25 movies we're most looking forward to in 2025
"I need to start figuring out what the f— to say,"
Paul Thomas Anderson
(PS. Watched Phantom Thread in 35mm, for the first time since seeing it at a preview with a live orchestra with Jonny Greenwood and PTA in attendance, and I must say its now my second favourite PTA film, kinda slow after the first third, but an absolute masterpiece thru n thru. I cannot wait for this new one, remember when Miles Davis used to drop and it said "Directions in Music by Miles Davis" on the cover art!?!?! PTA is one of the only new film cats who can truly truly put that shit on his posters. I'd say the current generation of celebrated filmmakers are begging that, but try way too hard and simultaneously not hard enough. Fix up, look sharp, New PTA on the horizon darlings!)
"Directions in Music by PTA" (thats the highest complement I can give to a filmmaker btw, Scorsese damnwell was the previous guy in the drivers seat far as im concerned...) over n out...
I'd be really surprised if it gets pushed back. The whole point of "summer event film" is that it requires "summer."
But I do agree that at least the early-tease PR machine for this movie needs to launch by mid-February, at the latest. Very few people outside of film nerd-dom are aware this movie exists. It will need at least six months of marinating buzz.
This is why the secrecy about the title and basic synopsis is pure paranoia. At this budget level, we'll get bombed by infos and trailers months before release day.
Quote from: Drenk on January 02, 2025, 06:17:56 PMThis is why the secrecy about the title and basic synopsis is pure paranoia. At this budget level, we'll get bombed by infos and trailers months before release day.
I would say there's, at least, a decent amount of value in condensing that info bombing to a tighter timeline. No sense stretching the word of mouth marketing too long. The general public doesn't need to know anything about this movie until the spring. I'm guessing to the average person it'll seem like a fun summer surprise movie that isn't some superhero nonsense and it'll do fine along side the other major movies.
Quote from: HACKANUT on January 04, 2025, 01:37:05 PMQuote from: Drenk on January 02, 2025, 06:17:56 PMThis is why the secrecy about the title and basic synopsis is pure paranoia. At this budget level, we'll get bombed by infos and trailers months before release day.
I would say there's, at least, a decent amount of value in condensing that info bombing to a tighter timeline. No sense stretching the word of mouth marketing too long. The general public doesn't need to know anything about this movie until the spring. I'm guessing to the average person it'll seem like a fun summer surprise movie that isn't some superhero nonsense and it'll do fine along side the other major movies.
Yes, I agree. But he's being deliberately secretive about basic things like a vague synopsis and a title, when nobody cares at that point, this is what I mean. Maybe because The Master leaked. To be fair, there was a vague synopsis for Licorice Pizza and it had no title. This one is probably hard to summarize, even wrongly.
Quote from: HACKANUT on January 04, 2025, 01:37:05 PMQuote from: Drenk on January 02, 2025, 06:17:56 PMThis is why the secrecy about the title and basic synopsis is pure paranoia. At this budget level, we'll get bombed by infos and trailers months before release day.
I would say there's, at least, a decent amount of value in condensing that info bombing to a tighter timeline. No sense stretching the word of mouth marketing too long. The general public doesn't need to know anything about this movie until the spring. I'm guessing to the average person it'll seem like a fun summer surprise movie that isn't some superhero nonsense and it'll do fine along side the other major movies.
Maybe, but it's all about that first week these days. And those Imax screens, especially, are being sought by other films. These aren't the days where you can let a movie sit out there all summer and just keep creeping upward on hte box office counter. Desperate theaters will punt you the hell out if they can have an extra screen or two for "My Bloody Axe Friend 3." ... You have to knock those first 5 days in theaters out of the park and generate buzz. You must avoid phrases like "underwhelming" "fell short of projections" "underperformed" because there are no do-overs on the first weekend.
Okay, its test screened and sounds delicious. Sign me up. Something Wild as a template? You know he looked at Midnight Run again as well! My lord, I'm having the worst week of my life and this has cheered me up something sweet. New PTA on the horizon. Buckle up lads, we're in for a ride!
"Jonny Greenwood's score also felt complete, one they call "chilling, but very big with techno elements."
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Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle After Another Test Screens, Confirmed to Be Modern Update on Vineland
Jordan Raup○January 24, 2025
"I need to start figuring out what the f— to say," Paul Thomas Anderson recently said when it came to his biggest project yet, a $115 million Warner Bros. summer tentpole with a cast featuring Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Regina Hall, Teyana Taylor, Wood Harris, Alana Haim, Benicio del Toro, and Chase Infiniti. The promotion has not begun yet ahead of its August 8 release, but the film, which runs just under three hours, held its first test screening in Phoenix, Arizona at the Harkins Theatres Norterra 14 with the director in attendance and we have the first details.
Speaking with a lucky attendee at the screening, Anderson confirmed the film––which is titled One Battle After Another––is nearly finished, helping squash those unsubstantiated reports of the film being delayed. As early rumors hinted, it is indeed a modern take on Thomas Pynchon's 1990 novel Vineland. While Donald Trump isn't mentioned, the film does feature white supremacists, notably Sean Penn's menacing character Col. Steve J. Lockjaw (aka Brock Vond, for those familiar with the book), who gets the second-most screentime after Leonardo DiCaprio's character. The film captures Lockjaw's hunt for Hall's character after she leaves him to be with DiCaprio's character.
While on-set reports revealed a small portion of the tentpole-level spectacle on display, an entirely new arena for PTA, the film itself has even more than expected, with "loads of action and car chase." Our source says "it's quite batshit crazy," and don't expect anything like PTA's last Pynchon adaptation, Inherent Vice. "It could definitely appeal to a lot of people, starting with Leo and the scale that is present," they note. Jonny Greenwood's score also felt complete, one they call "chilling, but very big with techno elements."
In terms of references, the film's mix of thrills, humor, and "very moving" emotion recalls Jonathan Demme's 1986 screwball comedy road movie gem Something Wild as well as Alex Cox's 1984 sci-fi black comedy Repo Man. Our source confirmed the film does feature sci-fi elements and expertly handles weaving together its multiple tones with a feeling that "you just live in" the movie.
"As far as I'm concerned, he's underappreciated," Anderson said of Alex Cox back in 2014. "I was 13 or 14 years old and I recognized the world [of Repo Man]. There such abandon in this movie – it's focused, it's funny, it's outlandish. It's talky in a way that never feels like a stage play 'cause it's always moving. Quentin [Tarantino] I'm sure loved this movie, we've never talked about it, but there's Quentin fingerprints all over the way these characters talk to each other." Speaking of Repo Man's night scenes, he added, "I'm always trying to get night exteriors to look the way Robby Müller shot them. I can never do it. I never know how he did it. It doesn't look like there's any lights on, it looks like how it really looks and back then — there's gotta be a million lights on... As long as I keep [making films], I'll try and get night exteriors to look like Müller." It sounds like he may have finally succeeded with his latest project.
As we await the first trailer for One Battle After Another, hopefully attached to one of WB's upcoming spring tentpoles (Mickey 17 in March or Sinners in April), here's the trailers for the two mentioned references.
If it really is an action extravaganza, I wonder how they managed to shoot all those large-scale action set-pieces without everything being leaked on smartphones and by local journos. There was a little car stuff caught on camera, but nothing really to suggest the size hinted at in these preview comments.
Anyway, sounds awesome! Maybe PTA really can have a commercial hit with this one if it's action-oriented and stars Leo.
Rudy im praying that this is a huge hit for PTA as well! I remember some car chase footage, and then the car crash sequence, but after that was leaked, everything went dark, so imagine all the juicy stuff we have to look forward too!!! The idea of PTA making an action film is WILD. Him making an action film with Leo on the run from white supremacists is super WILD!!! Inspired by Repo Man and Something Wild, with that cast, it could be something really really strange and special. I'm excited...
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on January 25, 2025, 06:11:31 AMIf it really is an action extravaganza, I wonder how they managed to shoot all those large-scale action set-pieces without everything being leaked on smartphones and by local journos. There was a little car stuff caught on camera, but nothing really to suggest the size hinted at in these preview comments.
My suspicion is that a lot of the chase stuff was shot in 'remote' areas that they had complete control over. (Casting notices for Extras said the title of the film was "Desert Highways".) For stuff in the city, I'll bet they shut streets down for several blocks--no chance for nosy cell phones or telephoto lenses.
The teaser trailer for this is going to be an absolute all-timer.
Can't wait for all the WTFs from folks who had no idea this was being made.
I cannot wait for the trailer to drop, then maybe all these wack "publications" that get off on talking about box office projections and what films are failures because execs don't know how to market them, will start gushing about the trailer frame by frame.
I reckon its a good thing that execs are scared, this means the movie is most probably REALLY REALLY GOOD!!!! The last film I heard Warner Bros execs hyping up was The Flash and we all saw how that turned out. But I do hate them trying to kill the movie in the minds of those paying attention before we even get an official still image, title or plot synopsis. It's nasty work from these wannabees...
Well, PTA and his work will long be remembered. Meanwhile, these bean-counting bootlicking "wannabes" will fast be relegated to the dustbin of history, worthless and forgotten.
Maybe this is just me being naive, but if there really are executives at Warner Bros who're shocked that PTA turned in an 'extremely eccentric and bizarre' movie, then Hollywood is run by people stupider than I ever thought possible.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 01, 2025, 03:52:21 PMMaybe this is just me being naive, but if there really are executives at Warner Bros who're shocked that PTA turned in an 'extremely eccentric and bizarre' movie, then Hollywood is run by people stupider than I ever thought possible.
It's a bit like hiring a chef like Grant Achatz, famous for his molecular gastronomy, to cater your wedding and then being outraged that there weren't any chicken tendies.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on February 01, 2025, 03:52:21 PM...then Hollywood is run by people stupider than I ever thought possible.
Oh, it is.
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 01, 2025, 06:14:01 PMIt's a bit like hiring a chef like Grant Achatz to cater your wedding and then being outraged that there weren't any chicken tendies.
Dennis Miller ova' he'
@wilberfan Please tell PTA and his crew that they really need to speak to Nolan ASAP about how to market and promote this summer(?) event IMAX movie (especially with WB - who are putting out awful trailers and posters for their 2025 slate - Mickey 17 and Sinners - the Korean Mickey 17 trailer was a lot better than the international/american version) because if PTA does his usual PTA release thingy majig (from IV to LP) sure the film will do fine, especially with Leo - but with some Nolan marketing magic it could skyrocket and one thing that was magical about Oppenheimer was how it got people in the cinema and had them returning for weeks and weeks on end. And in this climate this is really really essential...
Considering that PTA used to market his films really well, the trailers for Magnolia were INCREDIBLE and had me hyped AF, and TWBB and The Master with their home made preview trailers were also a SIGHT TO BEHOLD. I think The Master has two of the most amazing trailers ever. "She Wrote Me A Letter" (I still get angry I don't have the song from that trailer) and the one where he missed his boat...Works of art, alongside others such as - the Social Network tease that plays out in Facebook messenger?
I truly think if PTA put in the work (as he used to back in the day!) he could do a better campaign than Longlegs (which was respectfully, cos I know its so hard to make a movie, considerably better than the film) The character driven stuff PTA could do trailer wise (with characters like Ghetto Pat and Lockjaw!?!?!) playing off the different characters, factions, conspiracies and action set pieces this movie is going to have, could be phenomenal!!!
If we get 2 cookie cutter WB trailers that give away the whole movie (looking at you Sinners) this thing is just gonna do fine, when I want it to FLY!!!! The trailer Nolan released a week before Oppenheimer - I still watch it and again Im not the biggest fan of the movie, but the way this man sets his movies up to win, needs to be studied. At the PCC with the current PTA season, they play the Interstellar teaser and again not my fav Nolan film by far, but the way they use archive footage and Matthew McConaughey's Voiceover to challenge and resucitate the American ideals of exploration and regaining courage in the face of diminishing global power (whether its true or not) it smart af and I can imagine that it resontated with its intended audience at the time...
We all know PTA can do just as good (if not better, his homemade trailers are great) if not better, why doesn't he try harder in this regard? Its like he doesn't want his movies to fly. Wilber I know you're in the team (...sneaking suspicion...) pls speak to your boy!
The Licorice Pizza trailer was incredible and was obviously a PTA special. I cannot believe he'd be letting anyone else handle this summer's trailer(s)
Quote from: max from fearless on February 17, 2025, 04:49:32 PMWilber I know you're in the team (...sneaking suspicion...) pls speak to your boy!
My reputation exceeds me! :-D
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 17, 2025, 08:46:26 PMThe Licorice Pizza trailer was incredible and was obviously a PTA special. I cannot believe he'd be letting anyone else handle this summer's trailer(s)
The Licorice Pizza trailer was edited by a third party marketing company that specializes in trailers. (I forget the name now; someone else can remind me!)
Here are the bits from today's Puck piece that mention PTA and DeLuca
QuoteBut one of the key people Zaslav turned to for advice about the Warners film studio happened to be the very person who had helped place De Luca and Abdy at MGM: Bryan Lourd. The CAA C.E.O. is a very persuasive fellow, and many clients have the bank accounts to prove it. At MGM, for example, Paul Thomas Anderson made Licorice Pizza, which cost about $50 million and grossed a paltry $32 million. Now he's deep into a movie for Warners with a nine-figure budget—much larger than he ever could have dreamed, considering that There Will Be Blood, his highest-grossing film, brought in just $76 million back in 2007.
Zaslav may have tried to prevent a lot of overspending by putting a limit on De Luca and Abdy's greenlight authority. Rumors have varied about the dollar amount, but it had to be lower than $100 million—meaning that Zaslav must have blessed, or at least somewhat blessed, the expensive films that have the town buzzing. So while the rumors rage and a recent Bloomberg article very ominously stated outright that Zaslav was "losing patience" with his studio heads, it's also possible he should have a stern talk with himself.
[...]
But why fire Goldstine now, before this string of risky movies rolls into theaters? Insiders said De Luca and Abdy cited frustration at what they saw as his one-size-fits-all approach... yet Goldstine's team remains, and he is not being replaced. It also appears that Warners, consistent with other divisions of Warner Bros. Discovery in the Zaslav era, is trying to spend less on marketing, which seems particularly risky with original films that aren't presold. (For his part, Goldstine is currently considering options that include becoming a marketing consultant on Greta Gerwig's Narnia movies at Netflix.)
With all this as a backdrop, rumors flew late last week that De Luca and Abdy were out. Asked for comment, Zaslav's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, responded, "There is no truth to that rumor." And that was it. Needless to say, the statement likely will do little to stop the rumor mill from grinding on. Zaslav has been said to be leaning toward replacing them with Peter Safran, the co-chair and co-C.E.O. (with James Gunn) of DC Studios. But simultaneously, there are rumors that Zaslav will initiate a search for new leadership.