i like se7ven a lot and i read that there is to be a sequel with only freeman returning from the original cast.
'Seven' Sequel, But No Pitt
A sequel to hit film Seven is to be made - with original star Morgan Freeman but minus hunk Brad Pitt. The grisly serial killer movie wowed audiences in the 1995 who watched as Pitt's character Detective David Mills was left bereft after his wife and unborn baby became the last victims of Kevin Spacey's eerie psycho. Instead the action will center on Freeman's character William Somerset, who partnered Pitt in the first film, as he comes up against another serial killer - who has psychic abilities. An insider says, "The gruesome climax had previously ruled out a sequel. But bosses think they have the right script now. Brad's character will be mentioned, but he will not appear. He will be in a mental hospital."
is nothing sacred?
not in this world
Hey, what the hell... Why not? Sequels for everyone
this is no sacred ground but still, a sequel is not fitting.
~rougerum
no mention of Fincher being connected?
I'm sure he's not because the mention of the story and sequel and "pyschic" abilities in the killer means only a pay off from the first one.
~rougerum
If they are making a sequel to this, why not make one for Titanic or Last Temptation of Christ. I would like to see how far studios can push this bullshit. They should just get more and more rediculous for the hell of it, they dont see it as making movies, they see it as making money. I bet they could remake Gladiator with succesful results, just re-name it "Auditorium Fighter". Its a shame how stupid audiences are, and its a shame how money hungry studios are as well. Its a dangerous mix.
Quote from: Satcho9If they are making a sequel to this, why not make one for Titanic or Last Temptation of Christ. I would like to see how far studios can push this bullshit. They should just get more and more rediculous for the hell of it, they dont see it as making movies, they see it as making money. I bet they could remake Gladiator with succesful results, just re-name it "Auditorium Fighter". Its a shame how stupid audiences are, and its a shame how money hungry studios are as well. Its a dangerous mix.
Arent they seriously making a Gladiator sequel or prequel? Possibly with Crowe returning? I read it somewhere, Macguffin?
Quote from: Duck SauceArent they seriously making a Gladiator sequel or prequel? Possibly with Crowe returning? I read it somewhere, Macguffin?
Screenwriter John Logan recently told CINESCAPE he's working with Ridley Scott on a new GLADIATOR project:
"It's in the story phase, you know, meeting with Ridley [Scott] and talking about what it should be and sort of flushing it out. It's early days, just trying to pick out a story. It does have something to do with the first one and I'm not calling it a sequel."
Logan refused to elaborate, invoking a paranoid fear of homicide: "I can't even tell you because it's all so top secret that if I said anything, Ridley would come running through this door and strangle me. It's going very well, it's going to be very exciting."
CINESCAPE grabbed a moment of GLADIATOR 2 producer Walter Parkes' time, and he confirmed that he's producing the film with Doug Wick. Lucky for you, though, Parkes hadn't been indoctrinated into story secrecy – yet.
"It's 11 years later in Rome! The praetorian guards have taken over. Remember the character Lucius? The little blonde boy? Well, he's the last heir to Marcus Aurelius, right? In history the praetorians had taken over, so as a prince waiting to happen, guess who he finds out his real father is..."
it might not be so bad, i liked Freeman's character. i'm afraid they may make it like one of the other couple of generic thrillers he's been doing ever since Se7en. if the original screenwriter is involved it might be good. if Fincher is involved as well, that would increase the chances significantly............and........as hot as AShley Judd is, if they're paired up again......i'm afraid it'll be lumped in with the other generics too
i doubt it will actually be called seven 2
Really bad idea... I'd give it a small chance if AKW were to write it, but I seriously doubt he would be involved at all.
It's a shame... You couldn't call it Seven 2 really... it would be more of a spin off than a sequel. The title wouldn't mean anything anymore.
It's like the Lethal Weapon sequels. Mel Gibson was a Lethal Weapon because he was suicidal... after the first movie, he's not anymore, but that's still what they called all the sequels...
Maybe that's a bad example, but none the less, this is a bad idea.
This is very disappointing.
Morgan, if you must do a sequel, make it something worthwhile. Like an Electric Company revival.
I dont like the idea! All they wont is to make money. Leave Seven alone. The list of sequels that shouldn't have been made is enormeus....stop it now!!!! :x
did se7en make much money at the box office?
Quote from: Sigur RósI dont like the idea! All they wont is to make money. Leave Seven alone. The list of sequels that shouldn't have been made is enormeus....stop it now!!!! :x
But I assume you're not against this idea. From Total Film Magazine:
For any fan of the Coen bros, or even more specifically, THE BIG LEBOWSKI, or even more specifically, the character played in that film by John Turturro named Jesus Quintana, word is that the Coens are actually "in discussions" to write a WHOLE MOVIE about the nutty little bowler. Here's one of my favorite lines of his from the film: "Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click."
Here's a transcript of the Q&A with Turturro himself:
TF: One of your funniest turns is Jesus Quintana in "The Big Lebowski". Who came up with the look, you or the Coens?
TURTURRO: Half and half. The jumpsuit was there, and I came up with the nail, the hairnet, the beard-- all that stuff.
TF: And the mannerisms?
TURTURRO: [Laughs] That was stuff the Coens knew I could do and they let me go a little crazy because they had extra time. They let me add a lot of stuff. We actually may do a continuation. We're thinking of doing a down and dirty movie with him-- Jesus: The Second Coming. That thing is huge all over the world. People go insane over it, so we thought we've got to come up with the right story. We're in discussions to do it.
Redirect! Redirect! Oh no...
Wouldn't it be funny if the sequel was called Se8en?
:lol: :splat: :( :cry:
Quote from: bigideasif the original screenwriter is involved it might be good.
I'm sorry, did you SEE 8MM?
I'd also like to point out that he wrote Sleepy Hollow which was BARELY saved by Burton's good direction and amazing cinematography.
Quote from: bonanzatazI'm sorry, did you SEE 8MM?
The original screenplay was excellent; much darker. The movie was done in by Joel Schumacher (who also did rewrites). In fact, Walker and Schumacher didn't see eye-to-eye on the project, and Walker was not involved in the shooting. Would've been so much better if Fincher stayed attached. But I still think the scene of Cage calling the mother up to get permission/courage to kill the daughter's murderer is excellent.
Quote from: bigideasi like se7ven a lot and i read that there is to be a sequel with only freeman returning from the original cast.
Maybe they'll call it ei8ht.
the title of ei8ht was actually disconfirmed by new line execs.
Morgan Freeman is quickly becoming King Of The Phoned-In Performances. Followed closely by Anthony Hopkins.
Personally I wouldn't want to see a "Seven" sequel. That would be pointless.
Quote from: mogwaiword is that the Coens are actually "in discussions" to write a WHOLE MOVIE about the nutty little bowler
OK...you got me! That would be fun. Though I can't imagine it being fun.....weird! :? It rather see a movie about Walter and his jewish ex-wife.
8 year-olds dude, but yes i do like the idea about Walter better...though i don't know if the Coens are ready to make a movie with Vietnam flashbacks, much more comfortable with the pedophilia issue i would think :shock:
Quote from: bigideasdid se7en make much money at the box office?
Se7en made $100,125,643 at the box office. It had a production budget of $33 million. Pretty big success.
what the fuck is wrong with morgan freeman? I'm sure his payday will be nice, but doesn't he get tired of playing old wise cops in movies?
In other news, New Line Cinema has currently hired the team of Larry Brand (Halloween Resurrection) and James Isaac (Jason X) to write/direct Citizen Kane II: Dubesor. The film will take place in present day as the great grandson of Herbert Carter (Devon Sawa) accidently comes across Kane's diary which contains hidden Satanic spells. Upon reading them, the zombie of Kane returns to roam the earth in search of blood from the great grandchildren of those who opposed him in the first film. Robert Englund will tackle the role of Kane. Brand hints this film will finally unite the world of Citizen Kane and Child's Play once and for all.
Quote from: KeenerIn other news, New Line Cinema has currently hired the team of Larry Brand (Halloween Resurrection) and James Isaac (Jason X) to write/direct Citizen Kane II: Dubesor. The film will take place in present day as the great grandson of Herbert Carter (Devon Sawa) accidently comes across Kane's diary which contains hidden Satanic spells. Upon reading them, the zombie of Kane returns to roam the earth in search of blood from the great grandchildren of those who opposed him in the first film. Robert Englund will tackle the role of Kane. Brand hints this film will finally unite the world of Citizen Kane and Child's Play once and for all.
HAHA. You're a funny guy.
This gives me hope, though. I may still be able to respect Freeman:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020724/242/d5wa0.html
Morgan Freeman denies Se7en sequel
Morgan Freeman has rejected, out-of-hand, any talk of a sequel to the thriller Se7en, the 1995 box office hit in which he co-starred with Brad Pitt.
The respected actor was speaking at the London press conference for his latest flick, The Sum Of All Fears, which opens in the UK on August 16th, when he responded to a question regarding the rumour with a curt, "Yes, I did hear the rumour, but no-one's interested in fact."
It's been reported that New Line Cinema are considering adapting a script they bought last year, which is entitled Solace, to revolve around the character played by Morgan Freeman in Se7en, Detective William Somerset.
However, the star found time to add with a smile, "There's no sequel to Se7en in the works. However, we may do Ei8ht!"
Quote from: Keener"There's no sequel to Se7en in the works. However, we may do Ei8ht!"
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWouldn't it be funny if the sequel was called Se8en?
I wasn't alive at the time, but surely there was worries about a sequel to The Godfather, and that was hardly a disaster, now was it?
Hell, I wouldn't object to them making a sequel. If it's not good don't pay any attention to it.
Quote from: -dazza-I wasn't alive at the time, but surely there was worries about a sequel to The Godfather, and that was hardly a disaster, now was it?
Hell, I wouldn't object to them making a sequel. If it's not good don't pay any attention to it.
there was a hell of a lot more material to work with in the godfather -- it dealt with the life of a whole family -- and it was very clear at the end of the first godfather, that a new page had been turned, yet nothing was over... seven 2 would just be following morgan freeman around -- this would be no different than kiss the spider or any other detective film with morgan. the unique element about the seven, was his relationship with pitt, as well as the genre bending escalation of the hunt for john doe -- it seems like a closed book at the end. id just like to think morgan's character gets the hell out of new york after that and moves to the country.
I don't think even Jesus Christ could write a decent script for a Se7en sequel.
I think Se7en is a pretty bad movie, in the first place- god forbid there should be a sequel.
The only two Fincher films I've thought weren't entirely self-indulgent feature-length TV ads/music videos were:
-The Game
and
-Panic Room
...and even those, while competent and enjoyable and well made, are hardly the work of a fresh voice in the cinema. Most all of Fincher's tricks are shallow and ill-motivated, in my opinion.
If I had to pick who's best out of all the overrated, mediocre directors, I would pick Fincher hands-down over Baz Luhrmann or Guy Ritchie. But I still don't think he belongs on this forum's list of "important" directors. He has nothing on Wes or P.T. Anderson, let alone David Lynch or Stanley Kubrick.
Quote from: godardianI think Se7en is a pretty bad movie, in the first place- god forbid there should be a sequel.
The only two Fincher films I've thought weren't entirely self-indulgent feature-length TV ads/music videos were:
-The Game
and
-Panic Room
If I had to pick who's best out of all the overrated, mediocre directors, I would pick Fincher hands-down over Baz Luhrmann or Guy Ritchie. .
i think the game and panic room are his 2 worst films ( i dont include alien 3) -- fincher is an amazing director -- far better than guy ritchie -- couldnt diagree with you more.
I think to claim anyone's better than Guy Ritchie is to damn them with the faintest of praise... :wink:
What makes The Game and Panic Room your least favorite Finchers? I felt like those were the only two of his features that had anything more to offer than his nicely done Madonna videos (which, aside from being superior creations, also waste considerably less of your life); that were, in fact, anything resembling an actual feature film. I think it was Fight Club that really soured me on him; I found its supposedly "serious" themes and issues laughable and poorly explored, anything worthwhile sacrificed in favor of the sort of digitized, assaultive, prefab slickness Fincher seems to favor.
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Quote from: godardianI think to claim anyone's better than Guy Ritchie is to damn them with the faintest of praise... :wink:
What makes The Game and Panic Room your least favorite Finchers? [/i]
the screenplays.
I can totally see why you would say that about his style, but I don't think the over-the-top techniques he employed were ever for the sake of it in Fight Club. In Panic Room I'd say they were: what was with that (admittedly wonderful-to-watch) 'tracking shot' going through the house with the camera shooting through a cup handle, into and out of a lock...?! It was ridiculous (fun but ridiculous) and really got in the way of the movie for me.
Fight Club's style is I think symptomatic of the film being a completely subjective movie. The narrator tells us there are bombs in the basement: the camera fucking shoots down thirty stories, through some walls and shows them to us... He tells us he's a slave to the Ikea lifestyle: he becomes part of an Ikea catalogue...
Sensory overload is also helpful in what the film is talking about: the competing overloads of corporate-image life and the Project Mayhem life which drive Norton's character over the edge until he finds himself in a state of mind where he doen't want either of them.
But, yeah - I've head similar bad thoughts about how in-your-face the style is, but have found ways to justify them because I love the movie so damn much. (as cowboy said, mainly due to the screenplay) Besides: they just felt right the first time I saw it...
Well, and in in-your-face style isn't always a bad thing. Love Requiem for a Dream. Dunno... thought Pitt was terrible in Se7en, thought Fight Club was sorta hypocritical.
Let's put it this way: I feel like The Game and Panic Room, while maybe not the most original/plausible/or even coolest ideas ever, were his only films not ruined for me by the Fincher tricks. They were the right combination for me to feel like I wasn't being patronized like The Fincher Demographic Audience (macho hipsters) with wow-wild-crazy camera movements (and yes, I'll admit the big tracking shots in Panic Room were a distraction, though not nearly so dumb as some of the similar distractions he's candied up his other movies with), beer-commercial lighting, so on and so forth. They certainly did have those elements, but they weren't so overpowering, so constant a music-video barrage.
Also, I love The Parallax View and was a sucker for the homage in The Game, and what seemed to me a Peeping Tom homage, as well (with the flashback footage).
See: I didn't like Requiem For A Dream, and have always compared to Fight Club as a lesser movie because they both employ this 'in-your-face' technique, but the way Fight Club leaves you feeling afterwards is in an emotional state that's more ambiguous and interesting than Dream. I never really liked just how unsubtle Aronovsky's movie was (and I know, I know: it's not like its supposed to be) in its message - Fight Club is, in my opinion, a more interesting social critique...
But I guess that's a topic for a different thread.
I tried to give my opinion on valid reasons for the "wow-wild-crazy camera movements" you criticized in the movie. I guess you just either dig that or you don't.
The "beer comercial lighting" (great image by the way!) is definitely intentional: Fincher's trying to make the members of Fight Club (Pitt especially) look like the "David Fincher demographic"'s ideal guys to show how seductive a lifestyle their brand of nihilism can be, I reckon...
Pitt is shit in Se7en? I don't know: I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that.
I definitely see your Peeping Tom reference in The Game - never thought of that before...
I think you might be right about Fincher in general perhaps being a little over surface-conscious and hollow, but I honestly think Fight Club is his masterpiece and he will doubtless never surpass it. For me, it works - oh, how it works.
It is subjective, I know... I think I feel the same way about Fight Club that Pauline Kael felt about Ordinary People; what it supposed to be a critical exploration of a certain theme begins, in its style and sensibility, to seem more and more like a fetishization (of pristine, repressive WASP-American suburbia in Ordinary People, of consumerism in Fight Club). I liked- still like- Ordinary People, but I just can't get around what I see as Fight Club's flaws, its failure to be as critical is it thinks it's being.
Pauline Kael boils my blood with her bullshit.
At least you agree Guy Ritchee is about as bad as they come.
Se7en though... say what you will about Fight Club, but Se7en...
also... Panic Room is far more stylistic and gimicky than Se7en.
Quote from: RegularKaratePauline Kael boils my blood with her bullshit.
I don't think you're alone in that department... her opinions could be infuriating, especially (for me) when it came to Kubrick. But... she was a brilliant writer who knew what she was talking about, despite our disagreements with what she made of her extensive knowledge and wit.
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also... Panic Room is far more stylistic and gimicky than Se7en.
i agree -- seven is a very controlled film -- tell me one shot that was over indulgent or "gimicky". any stylized element of seven is through the lighting and art direction, not the director's need to employ "cool" shots. i feel it's very traditionally told from the visual standpoint.
Well, not being willing to put myself through that again (I did re-rent it a couple years ago just to confirm my position, and I barely made it through), I'll just have to say that to me, there is something about David Fincher's mis en scene in Se7en (even the title's a gimmick!)- even in Paltrow and Pitt's apartment- that seems so graphically designed in such a superficial way. Like, "Let's make everything gray yet apocalyptic; that'll sure spell 'doom!'" It just really lacks subtletly. And I think the reason I have a problem with that is that David Fincher seems a very pulp, very non-intellectual, conceptually unsophisticated director with a lot of technical skills, but people rate him with other directors who are genuinely inspired. I mean, obviously, he's not the worst out there- but sometimes it's more irritating to see mediocrity overpraised than it is to see true badness become a box-office success.
That being said, I guess if I had to choose between watching, say, Kangaroo Jack and re-watching Fight Club, I'd sit through Fight Club and enjoy seeing Helena Bonham Carter looking all bad-ass and trying with a fun performance to pull herself out of the rather misogynistic muck she's flailing around in.
I loved her performance in Fight Club. I just hated the movie. And I wouldn't allow myself to fall into a position where I had to choose between Kangaroo Jack or Fight Club. :P
Se7en Prequel in the Works
Source: MovieHole
A prequel to one of the best thrillers of the 90s, "Se7en", is about to get underway, says Bloody Disgusting.
Called "Virtue", the film is said to be written as a stand-alone feature but will have some links to the Brad Pitt/Morgan Freeman starring film.
According to the site, a treatment has been written for the film – which at this stage David Fincher, the director of the original, is not mentioned as helming – with the studio now on the lookout for someone that's handy with a pen to flesh out the full screenplay.
Meantime, a separate spin-off of the original "Se7en" film, a comic book series has also been commissioned. The comics will also serve as a prequel to the events of the 1995 film.
"Se7en" fixed on a serial killer (Kevin Spacey) who forces each of his victims to die by acting out one of the seven deadly sins. The murder scene is then artfully arranged into a grotesque tableau, a graphic illustration of each mortal vice. Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt are the detectives who skillfully track down the killer--all the while unaware that he has been closing in on them, as well.
just saw a Fincher Q&A. he said he would rather have cigarettes put out in his eyes than make a sequel to Se7en.
He didn't say anything about a PREquel, hmmm?
HAHA.
I don't remember starting this thread at all.
Virtue...the name won't tie it in at all.
I guess they'll have to mention the hell out of Se7en in the promotion so people know.