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I love the Way of the Gun, which Christopher McQuarrie wrote and directed. And I had never seen the Usual Suspects written by Chris McQuarrie. I just bought it, and I am extremely dissapointed! This movie sucks! Many things I hated about it, but the #1 thing I noticed I kept thinking in my head... "I've seen this movie a million times in other movies..." It just seemed so unoriginal.. And Keven Spacys worst performance ever, in my opinion...

Whats everyone elses thoughts on this movie>?


chris

I agree with you 100%, except I didn't hate TUS as much as you did.

i don't think i'd go as far as you... but yeah, it wasn't very good

Your crazy... not because you didn't like the Usual Suspects, but because you didn't like US, but you DID like way of the gun.

Way of the Gun is the biggest piece of garbage.

I like Usual Suspects, it had pretty good performances and was great for what it was, an old fashioned type crime flick.

and this is the movie that made Benicio del Torro... no one would know who he was if it weren't for this movie and it's his best performance ever.

I liked the part where you found out that Keyser Soze was a ghost the entire time.

And then the ship sinks. :(

I really liked The Way of the Gun a lot

QuoteYour crazy... not because you didn't like the Usual Suspects, but because you didn't like US, but you DID like way of the gun.

Way of the Gun is the biggest piece of garbage.

What are your reasons for WOTG being garbage? Im just curious


chris

Quote from: ThecowgoooesmoooAnd Keven Spacys worst performance ever, in my opinion...

Naw, Ive seen Kpax. I rented the Usual Suspects because I felt I needed to see it because its just one of those movies, but found myself bored by it to the point where I was watching it on 30 minute increments. Id watch some, couldn't take it and shut it off, then come back later and finish it. I really thought it was just OK and relies a lot on a admittedly cool ending.

Quote from: ThecowgoooesmoooMany things I hated about it, but the #1 thing I noticed I kept thinking in my head... "I've seen this movie a million times in other movies..."

Are you talking about films that came before or after "Suspects"?

Quotebecause I felt I needed to see it because its just one of those movies, but found myself bored by it to the point where I was watching it on 30 minute increments. Id watch some, couldn't take it and shut it off, then come back later and finish it. I really thought it was just OK and relies a lot on a admittedly cool ending.

Same here, I'd watch about 30 mins over the coarse of 3 nights... I couldn't take it all at once... I think the ending is very contrived but thats the only thing the movie has goin for it..

QuoteAre you talking about films that came before or after "Suspects"?

Id have to say before definately. But there is many many films similiar that came after the Usual Suspects that have similiarities.


CHRIS

Way of the Gun was boring and couldn't keep my attention enough for me to even care about the stupid plot (so fucking forgetable, I hardly remember what it's about), it wanted to be something it wasn't.

Usual Suspects was a fluke and Christopher McQuarie is not a very good screenwriter.

How could you watch US in segments?  It has way more going for it than the ending... it's all plot, it unfolds like Chinatown (NO, I'm not really comparing it to Chinatown, I didn't think it was THAT good) and Spacey was really good in it too.

wow. i'm amazed that i'm one of the many people that thought the usual suspects kinda sucked. the only thing that made the movie was the fucking ending. i remember when i was alot younger, i rented it twice because the first time, i fell asleep. the same thing happened the second time.

what's even more amazing is how the fuck it came to be like #16 on imdb's top 250 list.

Quote from: RegularKarateit's all plot, it unfolds like Chinatown (NO, I'm not really comparing it to Chinatown, I didn't think it was THAT good)

would someone please tell me what the fuck was so great about chinatown? the plot was completely uninteresting, and the direction or screenplay didn't seem to bother making it great either. and that thing about the chick really being a sister or something - i forget exactly what the so-called "twist" was, but it didn't have shit to do with the unfolding story.

This has been talked about before, so much so I'm dissapointed MacGuffin didn't redirect this thread into oblivion.

My take on both these films? Didn't like any of them. I will give credit to The Usual Suspects though in acting like it was nothing about just guns and killing. It acted like it had some sort of drama to it, but this is due to stylization and how much time an actor is given in doing a speech, even if it is worth nothing. The acclaim to The Usual Suspects in its ending, even if the ending had nothing to do with the plot and had everything to do with it being an idea of contrivance. It wasn't even a good idea, it was a half ass idea on how to end something dramatic and "mind bending" that was only given credence through great editing and classical music that is always labeled as heightening a situation to some intense serious moment. Blah. Way of the Gun admitted bankrupcy right at the beginning and was full blown honest in that it was nothing but a overbloon ridiculous plot that had nothing interesting to say except to see how many ways someone can load a gun. Way of The Gun tasted rotten on first bite, and from my own experience, wasn't worth even finishing to see the end.

~rougerum

WARNING: Get ready for an AICN talkback film snob style review.

Fuck The Usual Suspects...definitely one of the most overrated films of all time. I fucking hate it...it's just an ending with an 100 minute prologue. Boring, the opposite of innovative, and WAAAAAAAY too smug for it's own good. Both Kevin Spacey and Benicio's Del Toro's worst and most ANNOYING preformances...without question. I laugh when people call this movie "one of the best"...it's not even a movie...it's a disgrace to call it a movie. It's like a bad high school play. I wanted to fucking throw something at the tv when I was watching it...with how smug and clever it is...god, give me a fucking break.

Never plan to see The Way of the Gun if it's even mentioned in the same sentence as The Usual Suspects.

Yes, I do feel better now. Glad to see I'm not the only one that hates this movie. I dislike The Sixth Sense for the same reasons...I don't hate it half as much, but I dislike it. Signs is awesome just for the record...Unbreakable is boring....I need to stop now.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThis has been talked about before, so much so I'm dissapointed MacGuffin didn't redirect this thread into oblivion.

You wanna know why?... It redirects back to the Gay/Donnie Darko thread, and someone already stirred that one up again.

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...I need to stop now.

And how

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what's even more amazing is how the fuck it came to be like #16 on imdb's top 250 list.

Its not like the IMDB list is the most accurate representation of film quality.

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what's even more amazing is how the fuck it came to be like #16 on imdb's top 250 list.

Its not like the IMDB list is the most accurate representation of film quality.

Fellowship of the Ring is like 4

ugh, who cares?

the most over rated movie of this generation!

Quote from: ebeaman69it's just an ending with an 100 minute prologue.

this is the funniest thing i ever heard anyone say about a movie in long time.  ebeaman69, i hope you don't mind but i'm gonna steal this from you everytime i talk to someone about THE USUAL SUSPECTS.  it was very well put!   :)

Quote from: ebeaman69Unbreakable is boring

My favorite M. Knight movie....Usual Suspects was a good movie and not crap, but it wasn't great....also calling a movie boring sometimes confuses me.

I don't see why people are hating The Usual Suspects.  It is a well done Neo-Noir with great acting.  The first viewing is great b/c of the ending and repeat viewings are fun to watch to see the interaction and blurring of realism and surrealism.

I'm going to have to disagree with the Xixax norm and go with the real world norm on this one.  The Usual Suspects is a classic.

Quote from: SHAFTRI don't see why people are hating The Usual Suspects.

they started with darko and moved on to suspects. what will be next? probably memento

Did they already cover The Sixth Sense?

I've been bashing Memento for a long time, it definitely should be next up in life for the fire. Contrivance for the sake of contrivance needs to be riddled out of existence in belief that it is actually good. The shit needs to fall on these films.

~rougerum

Quote from: SHAFTRDid they already cover The Sixth Sense?

kinda. it was for or against m. night in general. it wasnt a negative "most overrated movie ever" thing

A contrived film can still be a good film, if contrived well.

contrivance needs a purpose, not a decorator.

~rougerum

I think The Usual Suspects is a pretty cool movie.

Quote from: EL__SCORCHOI think The Usual Suspects is a pretty cool movie.

I really do like it alot, but I can understand why some people don't.

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what's even more amazing is how the fuck it came to be like #16 on imdb's top 250 list.

Its not like the IMDB list is the most accurate representation of film quality.

actually, i think it's the most accurate of all supposed "greatest movie" lists. i mean, i'm sure you'll agree that flicks like citizen kane, gone with the wind and casablanca are in every single douchebag critic's and "institute"'s top ten all-time list, and that they really aren't that fucking great. people just name them the greatest movies ever because they're somehow supposed to be.

what i like about imdb's top 250 list is that it's compiled by regular imdb users, not some dipshit committee, and not based box-office numbers. it's a list that reflects a significant number of movie lovers' honest opinions of films.

so yeah, if there's any single "accurate" top-films-of-all-time list, i'd say imdb's top 250 is that list.

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what will be next? probably memento

Oh god, don't get me started.  

I wanted to be unable to make a memory of that movie.  :wink:

Don't tell me that's on the IMDB top 250 list...I'll throw up.

There is no reason Citizen Kane shouldn't be in the top 3 of any Best Movies of All Time.

I saw 'Suspects' a few years ago and remembered not thinkin' too much of it but being blown away by the twist. I rented it again last week, and well.....blah. In all honesty, I just dont like the whole film that much as I should (I love this kind of film, you see). It's very good but I enjoyed 'Way Of The Gun' more. 'Suspects' was memorable for it's ending alone but I find the rest of the film forgettable. Call me retarded, but my favorite bit was when all the suspects were forced to read the line on the card. 'Gimme the f***in' keys you motherf***er, cocksucker, arrggghhh!'

IMDB'S TOP 20

1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (70835 votes)
2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (89978 votes)
3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (39726 votes)
4 Schindler's List (1993) 8.7/10 (63169 votes)
5 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10 (91204 votes)
6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (42369 votes)
7 Citizen Kane (1941) 8.7/10 (39874 votes)
8 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 8.7/10 (16732 votes)
9 Star Wars (1977) 8.7/10 (92646 votes)
10 Memento (2000) 8.6/10 (50092 votes)
11 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 8.6/10 (40009 votes)
12 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 8.6/10 (43915 votes)
13 Rear Window (1954) 8.6/10 (25631 votes)
14 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 8.6/10 (71327 votes)
15 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 8.6/10 (60907 votes)
16 Usual Suspects, The (1995) 8.6/10 (67411 votes)
17 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.6/10 (41710 votes)
18 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001) 8.5/10 (30568 votes)
19 North by Northwest (1959) 8.5/10 (22951 votes)
20 Pulp Fiction (1994)  

Funny, notice where Casablanca and Citizen Kane are on that list. I'm not questioning whether or not it is honest in saying what these people like best in films, because with this list and these titles, that doesn't seem to be the best thing. Not fully knocking all these movies, because a lot are good, some bad, but really most are not deserving to be the greatest of all time. Citizen Kane is the only one in the top ten I would even agree with. But IMDB is the most insane list I've seen and I'm glad it is continually looked down upon.

~rougerum

sphinx thinks lord of the rings won't last over time

I think Seven Samurai deserves to be on the top 10 as well.

Quote from: SHAFTRI think Seven Samurai deserves to be on the top 10 as well.

Quote from: The Golden Trumpet8 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 8.7/10 (16732 votes)

Quote from: The Gold Trumpetmost are not deserving to be the greatest of all time. Citizen Kane is the only one in the top ten I would even agree with.

~rougerum

Quote from: SHAFTRI think Seven Samurai deserves to be on the top 10 as well.

I'm with Phil on this one....sorry guys!  :cry:

Quote from: sphinxsphinx thinks lord of the rings won't last over time

I hope sphinx is right.

And oh my god...is that top ten list is fucking shocking! Not only is Memento on the list...it's in the fucking top 10!? I can't believe that. But yeah, the whole thing does look like the joke that many people have said it is. It's just laughable for Memento and The Usual Suspects and LOTR to be even in the top 100...much less the top 10. I'll pretend this IMDB top 250 doesn't exist.

I love Seven Samuari and consider it to be one of the best action movies, but it falls into that category of great directors who began their career with some great movies and have been over shadowed for the rest of their career by those movies. Kurosawa is an excellent example of it, and wrongly because in Seven Samuari and Rashomon, he didn't even develop into his style of filmmaking. Kurosawa was making general films with only hints of what was to come later, things that were to be much more fulfilling than these works in showing what his command and mastery over the medium can do. The best of Kurosawa is highlighted in Ran, a movie that is a religious experience in terms with the Shinto religion that dominates the belief system of Japan and also a completely personal story that relates to Kurosawa's own life in being about a man who had war dominate his entire existence of being (Kurosawa's war films for his own) but really searchs to be at peace with himself and speak of peace. The general in the film is never able to capture it, like maybe Kurosawa, who tried to kill himself in the 1970s but failed after his wife died. Though he made films during the 1990s of very peaceful subjects, Ran always hints at how Kurosawa viewed himself and his place in this world. The movie is a magnificent final last opus that dreams on the scale of epic and brings visuals that were never to be matched in beauty and raw power. If there was ever to be a Kurosawa film to grace the top ten list, Ran would be the most perfect of Kurosawa works to do so.

~rougerum

When I first started watching movies I actually trusted the IMDB list. I tried to see as much movies off it as possible, and if the movie wasnt on it, it gets low priority.

I know that Seven Samurai was on that list...my comment was to Golden Trumpet, he said only Citizen Kane deserves to be on that list...I think Seven Samurai is deserving as well.

Quote from: Duck SauceWhen I first started watching movies I actually trusted the IMDB list. I tried to see as much movies off it as possible, and if the movie wasnt on it, it gets low priority.

Boogie Nights isn't on it!  :shock:

Good lord..that is messed up...seriously. That list is missing A LOT of my favorite movies.

I will see Seven Samurai, I swear to god...I need to see it...I've always wanted to and I don't any excuse not to.

Quote from: ebeaman69Good lord..that is messed up...seriously. That list is missing A LOT of my favorite movies.

hard to believe  :wink:

Usual Suspects is genius!  It's genius I tell ya!  Especially Kevin Spacey!!!

Quote from: USTopGun47Usual Suspects is genius!  It's genius I tell ya!  Especially Kevin Spacey!!!

Prepare..... to be slaughtered!

McQuarrie Penning Paramount Military Action-Adventure
Source: Variety

Paramount has signed Oscar-winning screenwriter Christopher McQuarrie (The Usual Suspects) to write an untitled military action-adventure for Paramount-based Alphaville, says Variety.

The film will center on the fate of a special forces team assigned to test the security of the most sensitive government and military installations. Due to overzealous execution of orders, they are disbanded and the individual members expelled from the military; a year later, they are asked to reassemble to stop the terrorist activities of a group that has adopted their tactics and techniques.

Alphaville has been developing the project, previously known as "Red Cell," for several years, working from scripts by Kem Nunn and by Jim Jacks. McQuarrie is also attached to write and direct Iron Curtain for Outlaw and Intermedia.

Quote from: Duck SauceWhen I first started watching movies I actually trusted the IMDB list. I tried to see as much movies off it as possible, and if the movie wasnt on it, it gets low priority.

Oh man I was the same way! Now I generally go by the general Xixax consensus as to what I need to see. I generally don't care any more what movie is on what list, unless the critic/whatever is writing an essay or something about the film. I enjoy reading those.

As for Usual Suspects, I used to think it was some great movie, but as I think about it more and more I realize it's not some great fucking classic, but I still like it. It entertained me for 90 minutes and gave me a good ending. It was the same way with Memento, to which I now give a lot less credit than I used to, but I still enjoy it, and the DVD is pretty cool.

To quote the Bard, 'The only thing that matters is the ending. It's the most important part of the story.'

Quote from: Chest RockwellOh man I was the same way! Now I generally go by the general Xixax consensus as to what I need to see. As for Usual Suspects, I used to think it was some great movie, but as I think about it more and more I realize it's not some great fucking classic, but I still like it.

yeah but chest, dont let the board reverse-brainwash you out of liking movies you like.  if your tastes are changing thats one thing, but to not like a movie that you used to like because people on here dont like it, is not cool!

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Quote from: Chest RockwellOh man I was the same way! Now I generally go by the general Xixax consensus as to what I need to see. As for Usual Suspects, I used to think it was some great movie, but as I think about it more and more I realize it's not some great fucking classic, but I still like it.

yeah but chest, dont let the board reverse-brainwash you out of liking movies you like.  if your tastes are changing thats one thing, but to not like a movie that you used to like because people on here dont like it, is not cool!

SO glad someone said it.  

Not to say that you are doing this, Chest, but I've known too many people that come out of a movie loving it, but then a year, two years later - after it's become a cultural phenomenon or whatever the case is - they turn around, "Oh, that movie sucks." I've heard that one with Pulp Fiction, Memento, Usual Suspects (as this thread has amply proved), a whole bunch of others.  

Too many people are so caught up in this anti-hype that they don't know which is more important: having their own opinion or having a less common opinion (like my favorite, the "Reservoir Dogs is better than Pulp Fiction" stance which has an even funnier cousin, the "Jackie Brown is better than Pulp Fiction" stance... but that's another thread).  

To get this thread back on track, I'm in the same boat with you, Chest, on Usual Suspects; I don't like it as much as I used to but it's still an entertaining flick; some films just don't hold up to intense scrutiny (*cough*americanbeauty*cough*).  I've seen many a film that lost something from the first time I saw it but I've never, in my life, ever LOVED a movie and then later thought it completely sucked like a lot of people on this board have.

It's the other way around, modern and hacksparrow, in that it's my own opinion being brainwashed by Xixax-snobs; my opinion of something great has left the IMDb list and become my own, so that now I'm formulating my own opinions moreso than before. My discredit of those particular flicks is due to my maturation, not my adoption of Xixax opinions. As I said, I'm still fine with them, and they both entertain me well enough; I've just learned to realize they really aren't the great films I once thought they were.

I don't understand all this anti-American Beauty stuff though. I thought it was a beautiful film (though certainly no Magnolia by any means), but I guess it's not very innovative. Is all the negativity due in part to Alan Ball robbing PTA of the screenplay award or something?

Quote from: hacksparrowToo many people are so caught up in this anti-hype that they don't know which is more important: having their own opinion or having a less common opinion (like my favorite, the "Reservoir Dogs is better than Pulp Fiction" stance which has an even funnier cousin, the "Jackie Brown is better than Pulp Fiction" stance...

It's funny because it's true.

Quote from: Chest RockwellIt's the other way around, modern and hacksparrow, in that it's my own opinion being brainwashed by Xixax-snobs; my opinion of something great has left the IMDb list and become my own, so that now I'm formulating my own opinions moreso than before. My discredit of those particular flicks is due to my maturation, not my adoption of Xixax opinions.

And that's exactly as it should be.  Sorry if it seemed like I was singling you out as changing your opinion because I was following mod's post to you. I just felt like it was a good opportunity to get that off my chest (no pun intended) about people in general, especially that Pulp Fiction thing.

Quote from: Chest RockwellI don't understand all this anti-American Beauty stuff though. I thought it was a beautiful film (though certainly no Magnolia by any means), but I guess it's not very innovative. Is all the negativity due in part to Alan Ball robbing PTA of the screenplay award or something?

If I felt like looking for the link to the other thread where I put down why I do/don't like American Beauty, I would put it in here but I'm too lazy so, in a nutshell:

I think it's a decent film, Sam Mendes is a good director, Alan Ball is a good writer (though his Six Feet Under work trounces AB's script), but if you "look closer" as the tagline says, you see all the inconsistencies in the film.  Like you said about Suspects, it's just not the great film I once thought it was.  The out-and-out hatred that it receives I think is as undue as the out-and-out hatred for Suspects.

You're right, hacksparrow. Absolutely right.
I forgot to comment on the Pulp Fiction thing. That's bullshit; as much as I love Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs (and boy do I love them), they're definitely NOT Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction, in my humble opinion, is one of the greatest films ever, and Tarantino's other films just can't touch that. Period.

My big bro is like that to a certain extant, though it's more for music than movies. He'll like certain bands, but once they become 'big' he hates and disowns them. He also refuses to even look at a Harry Potter book, and I always tell him, 'Well, you're not going to get the same depth as a Nabokov book, but they're pretty fast fucking reads.' He just doesn't care because everyone reads them and stuff. That whole thing with people dissing movies/music/literature because it's too popular is such crap. blah.

The Pulp Fiction thing ain't bullshit. It is your humble opinion.

But it cracks me up that all these years later, so many people are coming out of the woodwork saying that Jackie Brown is their favorite Tarantino flick when I was hard-pressed to find a single person that could say that they liked it without using the word "but" in their answer (I was one of them; until I got the DVD, I was under the impression that he should have cut 40 minutes out of it... I have since retracted that statement).  

Not saying everyone is like this but I've gotten into conversations with people who have said variations on, "Well, I used to like Pulp Fiction but now it's just so [insert synonym for unimpressive]. Jackie Brown is so much better." And I really think it's part of that whole "if it's popular, it sucks" culture that just doesn't make sense to me.  Jackie Brown is a great film and I likened my re-discovery of it on DVD to bumping into your once-ugly-now-really-hot prom date a few years later. But I tend to be skeptical when people put it over Pulp Fiction.

This should have been on the Tarantino forum somewhere... sorry.

Quote from: SoNowThenThe Pulp Fiction thing ain't bullshit. It is your humble opinion.

Not the fact people might like Reservoir Dogs or Jackie Brown over Pulp Fiction, but the fact people might like those respective films over Pulp Fiction for the popularity reason. But yes, in my humble opinion Pulp Fiction easily tops either of those. Jackie Brown is close, but it never had the same pinazz, for lack of a better word.

So yeah, The Usual Susepcts is cool.

1.  jackie brown is better than pulp fiction
2.  american beauty is still a great film
3.  usual suspects holds up very well and still rocks

Quote from: NEON MERCURY1.  jackie brown is better than pulp fiction
2.  american beauty is still a great film
3.  usual suspects holds up very well and still rocks

1. some days that is true.
2. sure, thora. nuff said.
3. i havn't seen it since i realised it was an empty film, it was a fun empty film tho. like hacksparrow said, singer is one of the better hacks in the business.

well...  i said it once and i'll say it again (i never really get tired of saying this), THE USUAL SUSPECTS is the most overrated movie of the 1990s.  bryan singer is a no talent hack!

and on that note check out the film ZERO EFFECT, the most under appreciated film of the 1990s.

Quote from: NEON MERCURY1.  jackie brown is better than pulp fiction

yeah, i'll agree with that....

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Rudieob, table for one.

usual suspects is not that overrated... its not that great but people praise it for what it is. some people hate it because they dont like being screwed over in the ending. its a good twist movie imo , but if you dont like twist movies that totally turn 360 in the ending theres no way you can like this obviously. and if you got the twist before the end of the film, which seemed so unpredictable, then youll probably think its a stupid film. but really there is a little more to it than its twist

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Quote from: rudieob(i never really get tired of saying this)

Rudieob, table for one.

i've accepted the fact that i will always be alone because to acheive greatness one must be alone....

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Quote from: Weak2ndAct

Quote from: rudieob(i never really get tired of saying this)

Rudieob, table for one.

i've accepted the fact that i will always be alone because to acheive greatness one must be alone....

If that's how you choose to look at life, well, good luck.

Quote from: Chest RockwellIn my humble opinion Pulp Fiction easily tops either of those. Jackie Brown is close, but it never had the same pinazz, for lack of a better word.

I totally agree

I was just browsing the archives here at xixax.  I'm glad that other people here hate this movie.  I despise this movie.  This is the embodiment of everything I hate about movies.

It's terrible.  I like Kevin Spacey, too.

Quote from: JimmyGatorI despise this movie.  This is the embodiment of everything I hate about movies.

:idea: ahh, so you hate movies that are/have:

>brilliant, smart, script filled with quotable dialogue [i.e. pulp, jackie brown]

>solid acting across the board from the always underrated gabriel byrne, the unreconizable del toro, chaz in a film thats worth a shit, a fuckign baldwin and a curly hairded douche like pollack that singer pulled out their acting skills that no one thought they had [or should have], and the always cool pete postlesomething.

>directed by a guy who made the two x-men films the best comic book films....and taking on superman which everyone thinks will suck ass [including myself].  it takes balls to take on superman [and a love of money].  if singer actually makes superman retruns watchable or even good.  then we all should suck his cock.

>gorgeous cinematography....sigel also shot three kings, and copnfessions of a dangerous mind.

>an actual clever twist that no one saw coming.  including one of the best lines to end a film...

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It's terrible.  I like Kevin Spacey, too.

you like spacey?  well, then i guess you have to at least admire his performance in thsi film b/c this film and american beauty are the only things on his resume that are worth a shit...  [VII doesn't count]

bottom line: [i'll use a naked analogy since i saw it recently again]saying that this film sucks would be like saying naked would have been better if sean william scott was in the lead insead of thewlis.

Quote from: NEON MERCURYincluding one of the best lines to end a film...

agreed.

in fact i agree w/ that whole post. nicely done, NEON.

Quote from: JimmyGatorThis is the embodiment of everything I hate about movies.

like what?  be specific.

I'm with Neon and Hedwig and others who liked this movie. It's harmless and pretty good.

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Quote from: JimmyGatorI despise this movie.  This is the embodiment of everything I hate about movies.

:idea: ahh, so you hate movies that are/have:

>brilliant, smart, script filled with quotable dialogue [i.e. pulp, jackie brown]

>solid acting across the board from the always underrated gabriel byrne, the unreconizable del toro, chaz in a film thats worth a shit, a fuckign baldwin and a curly hairded douche like pollack that singer pulled out their acting skills that no one thought they had [or should have], and the always cool pete postlesomething.

>directed by a guy who made the two x-men films the best comic book films....and taking on superman which everyone thinks will suck ass [including myself].  it takes balls to take on superman [and a love of money].  if singer actually makes superman retruns watchable or even good.  then we all should suck his cock.

>gorgeous cinematography....sigel also shot three kings, and copnfessions of a dangerous mind.

>an actual clever twist that no one saw coming.  including one of the best lines to end a film...

yes.  i hate all those things.

haha ..fair enough then.

Quote from: NEON MERCURY1.  jackie brown is better than pulp fiction
2.  american beauty is still a great film
3.  usual suspects holds up very well and still rocks

I know this is old but...

1.YES
2.YES
3.YES