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Title: War Horse
Post by: MacGuffin on May 03, 2010, 09:11:38 PM
Spielberg rides with 'War Horse'
Disney, DreamWorks set release for Aug. 10, 2011
Source: Variety

Steven Spielberg has selected his next directing job: World War I epic "War Horse."

Disney and DreamWorks will release the film Aug. 10, 2011.

"War Horse" is based on Michael Morpurgo's novel of the same name, as well as a stage adaptation. Spielberg is producing with Kathleen Kennedy, Frank Marshall and Revel Guest. Scribes Lee Hall and Richard Curtis are penning the adapted script.

Set against the sweeping backdrop of the Great War, storyline charts the extraordinary friendship between a boy and a horse who are separated but whose fates continue to intertwine over the course of WWI.

The Great War was a natural topic for Spielberg to take on. He's already explored World War II in a number of projects, including directing "Saving Private Ryan." He exec produced HBO's "Band of Brothers," and more recently, the pay cabler's "The Pacific."

Spielberg's process is to develop several projects at a time before deciding which one he'll direct next. In this case, he also was weighing "Robopocalypse" and biopic "Gershwin."

The director is next in theaters with 3D family pic "The Adventures of Tin-Tin: The Secret of the Unicorn," which unspools Dec. 23, 2011.

Spielberg and DreamWorks co-chair-CEO Stacey Snider acquired the rights to Morpurgo's "War Horse" last fall.

At that time, Spielberg said he knew from the minute he read the book that he wanted DreamWorks to make the film. "Its heart and its message provide a story that can be felt in every country," he said.

"War Horse" was first published in 1982 when it was a runner-up for the prestigious Whitbread Award. Morpurgo is the best-selling author of more than 120 books for children including "Kensuke's Kingdom" and "Private Peaceful."

The hit stage adaptation of "War Horse," written by Nick Stafford and directed by Marianne Elliott and Tom Morris, was first produced at London's National Theater in 2007. It has since played successful repeat engagements in the West End.

DreamWorks also has optioned the rights to the stage play. Spielberg saw the play in London in March.
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Post by: Sleepless on May 04, 2010, 12:43:15 PM
I got really excited,then I saw this:

Quote from: MacGuffin on May 03, 2010, 09:11:38 PM
Spielberg rides with 'War Horse'
Scribes Lee Hall and Richard Curtis are penning the adapted script.

storyline charts the extraordinary friendship between a boy and a horse
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Post by: Alexandro on May 05, 2010, 01:26:18 AM
yes, this sound really bad.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on May 05, 2010, 03:02:41 AM
I can only imagine how E.T., Raiders of the Lost Ark, or Close Encounters of the Third Kind sounded in their initial press clippings. This sounds like a return to kid fantasy and since he has a better batting average there, I don't mind. I have no reason to know if this film will be any good, but all of his other potential projects (excluding Tin Tin and Abraham Lincoln) sound mediocre and since his last 5 films have been unmemorable, there may be more here because this press clipping has a lot of odd contrasts in the story. I'm intrigued because Spielberg still has talent. He's just been working with low ball material as of late.

It also reminds me of Empire of the Sun and I think that is an underrated film for him.
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Post by: Pubrick on May 05, 2010, 06:54:37 AM
call me crazy horse but i think this is a good idea.

maybe it's cos i don't just fly off the handle without doing any research. at first i thought it sounded BORING -- not BAD, unless you're a spielberg hater it's a mistake to assume he would automatically make a bad movie. he has done so maybe once or twice a decade since the 80s, and supplemented those with either amazing films or just kinda boring ones. so to me it seemed more likely this would be BORING.. you know, Empire Of the Sun/Amistad/Munich-boring. not 1941/Lost World/Terminal-bad.

i found a trailer for the hit stage play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bni4QqSv4) on youtube and you can immediately see the appeal. like GT said it's a kid fantasy kind of story since it's based on a children's novel, altho calling it a WW1 epic suggests it obviously wants to be taken more seriously than that. this news report on the play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpyD3ABIHI4) gives a good summary on the technique behind the amazing puppets used on the stage, and there's also this multi-episode web diary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrxH9lF5EI) taken by one of the actors which provides great insight on the process. what's clear from all this is that this is no doubt one of the best stage plays in recent years and absolutely mesmerizing visually.. ON STAGE.

but that still doesn't tell you much about the story, characters, or general themes other than it has been adapted by geniuses and so has obviously been taken seriously by at least one medium -- not to mention a radio play which was voiced by Timothy Spall, Brenda Blethyn (secrets and lies reunion!) and Bob Hoskins -- so instead of looking for a detailed synopsis of the story, knowing well that it's best to read the actual book for that kind of thing, i looked for something about the intention and meaning of the original book beyond its murky genre categorization. i found this write up by the author of the book (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23669235-morpurgo-war-horse-is-a-story-i-had-to-write.do), in which he explains the reason for writing this story, the research behind it, and the origin.. as well as alluding to some of the intended themes. something you don't get from a shitty press clipping or even the stage production material which is mostly technical appraisal.

after reading and viewing all that, as much as i'm willing to do on a lazy mid-week afternoon, i'm confident that this is great material for spielberg, or any director really. while it appear boring at first, as we've all seen horses being used for emotional effect in films before, the spirit (no pun intended) of this story feels nothing like the typical horse-and-unlikely-hero-to-victory of National Velvet and Seabiscuit or even Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken, it's not even a transpecies incarnation of Lassie. what i like about the potential of the film is a chance for Spielberg to have a happy ending -- FINE -- in that the horse probably lives and everyone is reunited, but for once he'll be working on a war film that isn't strictly about the ppl involved or about the effect it had on families, nations, or just ppl in general. the effect of this is a rendering of war in both glorified form, because even Saving Private Ryan with all its lauded opening still made war seem honorable, but also in playing to our alignment with the animal it becomes about our hand in nature..

this is the perfect time for this film. no one cares about peace anymore or starving children but they do care about the massacre that everyone contributes to daily and that's the destruction of the environment. the role of the horse in this story is obviously something akin to ET, to give one example. it's a non-partisan non-human creature with whom a child has a special bond beyond any specific ideology. making us empathize with a non-human is one of Spielberg's ultimate strengths, it's definitely one of the reasons Kubrick chose him for AI. but ET was inoccuous, the stakes were not high, it was strictly fable. this movie won't bring about world peace but it could be a daring achievement in its own right. spielberg could bring a real anti-war message without betraying the staple war slogan that guides every anti-war film, "support the troops not the war", and without succumbing to its jingoistic associations.

the hidden function of the film thus becomes apparent in the title itself. the horse is a cog in this faceless warmachine in as much as it functions to facilitate the self-destruction of mankind, its role is impersonal but the association with the child requires its salvation. the war horse -title and concept- thus recalls the legendary trojan gift by hiding its true intentions under a veneer of impersonal business as usual: the conventional gesture of war in the cinema is the glorification act, which is then subverted by the extended message of peace among men AND nature. the great reality of the world wars was of being in the most unified act in global history, a model for the hyper-awareness of connectivity we take for granted today. making this film about a simple war horse is the natural course to take, it's an environmental war film!

and if he jerks a few tears while he's at it, well fuck, that's just good storytelling.
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Post by: children with angels on May 05, 2010, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: P on May 05, 2010, 06:54:37 AM
i found a trailer for the hit stage play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bni4QqSv4) on youtube and you can immediately see the appeal.

I know the main kid in that trailer! War Horse was his first job out of drama school, incredibly luckily (he's now got a role in a new HBO series off the back of it). The play is definitely a great theatrical experience, but mainly because of the incredible puppetry rather than the narrative. In a way though I can imagine the sweep and the melodrama of the story working better on film, and this is definitely prime Spielberg material. I think this movie is going to be massive.
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Post by: Alexandro on May 06, 2010, 01:30:37 AM
Munich is a lot better than it gets credit for. I rewatched it a few weeks ago and felt it was a lot of things, but not boring. Certainly it's way more alive than Amistad (which suffers from too much syrup and the McConaughey) or Empire, one I tried to rewatch recently, but actually bored me for real.

Munich is tense, depressing, cruel and emotionally draining. The way it's constructed is very clever because it unfolds like a thriller or a "hitman" movie where you root for the good guys but then the good guys turn into soulless monsters forever traumatized and destroyed by their own paranoia. It has no room for a happy or even hopeful ending and Spielberg wisely, for ONCE, doesn't force one on us. And it has some pretty impressive aesthetic points in it's 70's espionage thriller look. It's stylish but always at the service of the story, I specially loved the way each time the characters had another hit to make Spielberg and Kaminski established the whole geography and proceedings of such hit within just a single shot pointing, panning and zooming at different places and using mirrors, reflections in cars, etc...

Ok, so part of what I'm saying is that Munich is actually very good in my opinion but also is that Spielberg usually improves when confronted with dark material like that. When he's dealing with real downers and depressing situations or characters where cruelty ensues he seems to turn into a more impressive director (Minority Report, A.I., Munich...hell even War of the Worlds showed him trying), but then when he just goes for something that easily fits his sensibilities his tendency is to be boring (Amistad, The Terminal). So, the basic premise of this together with the WWI background makes the whole thing sound unappealing. Also, E.T. was 30 years ago, he was a completely different person then and that film came from the deepest part of his soul. And it was really the last time in his career so far when he managed to be so sentimental and at the same time feel so genuine. He has achieved a lot emotional punches through the years with other films, but never in another of his "kid films".
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Post by: Stefen on May 06, 2010, 03:06:43 AM
Munich is great.

For the first three quarters. Just like most Businessman Spielberg era movies.

This will probably be the same.
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Post by: tpfkabi on May 06, 2010, 10:11:13 AM
i likes the terminal. or i think i did. all kinda punch-drunk loveinessness and kumar, too.
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Post by: The Perineum Falcon on May 06, 2010, 10:15:19 AM
ugh, i hate the terminal. the only parts i liked were the ones that zeta-jones didn't stink up.

Munich is great, tho.

Also, when I read the synopsis of this movie, my immediate thought was of White Mane; has anyone seen that? I could see Spielberg going for something along those lines.
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Post by: MacGuffin on June 17, 2010, 10:35:54 AM
Cast Revealed for Spielberg's War Horse
Source: ComingSoon

The cast has been revealed for Steven Spielberg's next film, War Horse, to be released by DreamWorks Pictures on August 10, 2011.

Set in 1914, the film centers on Joey, a beautiful bay-red foal with a distinctive cross on his nose that is sold to the army and thrust into the midst of the war on the Western Front. With his officer, he charges toward the enemy, witnessing the horror of the battles in France. But even in the desolation of the trenches, Joey's courage touches the soldiers around him and he is able to find warmth and hope. But his heart aches for Albert, the farmer's son he left behind.

According to Empire magazine, young actor Jeremy Irvine has landed the lead role of Albert and is joined by Emily Watson, Peter Mullan, David Thewlis and Benedict Cumberbatch.

Watson and Mullan play Albert's parents. Cumberbatch will play military man Major Stewart.

Rounding out the internationally diverse cast are Niels Arestrup as the grandfather of a young French girl (Celine Buckens) who takes Joey in, plus Nicolas Bro, David Kross, Leonard Carow, Rainer Bock, Robert Emms and Patrick Kennedy.

Also in talks to join the cast are Tom Hiddleston and Stephen Graham.

Produced by Spielberg and long-time producing partner Kathleen Kennedy, War Horse starts shooting in the UK in August.
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Post by: squints on June 18, 2010, 11:15:04 PM
But who is doing the voice of Joey?!
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Post by: Marty McSuperfly on August 03, 2010, 06:01:09 AM
First pictures from the set of War Horse

http://spielbergnews.blogspot.com/2010/08/first-pictures-of-spielberg-on-war.html
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Post by: Kellen on June 29, 2011, 12:52:34 AM
the playlist just posted a trailer for the film:

war horse trailer (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/watch_trailer_for_steven_spielbergs_war_horse_looks_pretty_epic/#comments)
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Post by: cronopio 2 on June 29, 2011, 01:12:53 AM
i'm in.
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Post by: MacGuffin on June 29, 2011, 04:22:41 AM
Teaser Trailer (in English) here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NycXRxjYMr0)
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Post by: The Perineum Falcon on June 29, 2011, 10:48:44 AM
J.J. Abrams is shitting his pants.
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Post by: Pozer on June 29, 2011, 11:05:41 AM
looks very Spielbergy.
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Post by: MacGuffin on September 27, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.blogs.indiewire.com%2Fimages%2Fblogs%2Ftheplaylist%2Farchives%2Fwar-horse-art_510.jpg&hash=0f548ac87bd0181dabeab9ac2b4111955a910032)
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Post by: Sleepless on September 27, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
He's gay for the horse?
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Post by: polkablues on September 27, 2011, 05:56:28 PM
I can't wait to see this when it shows up on the Hallmark Channel in a year and a half.
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Post by: squints on October 04, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
new trailer (http://www.indiewire.com/article/watch_new_war_horse_trailer_provokes_more_oscar_buzz_uncontrollable_sobbing/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed#)
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Post by: Just Withnail on October 04, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
I'd watch War Whores. I'd maybe even watch War Hoarse. The only redeeming thing about that trailer is when they repeat the dude saying "be brave" and it suddenly just sounds like a silly derpy-derp sound.
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Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 06, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
This looks like it could be a GREAT family movie in the vein of "Black Beauty" or any other film that uses cinematography that fits its story scope as well as they do in this trailer

BUT

I hate that there's this romanticism about horses when they're really just dumb dead-eyed poop machines that we had to ride around on before cars.  If you think cars are bad for the environment try sidestepping a horse-apple every 10 minutes in your colonial town.  THEN try bonding with a Horse only to have it freak out over an opossum & stomp your throat in accidentally.
  I like how horses are seen in movies, kind of like big dogs that you can trust, but I don't feel that way in real life.
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Post by: Pubrick on October 06, 2011, 09:50:38 AM
i don't feel that way about horses either but i also don't have any affinity to dogs. so..

basically we have to believe that horses DO have the potential to be more than man's best friend, as this film suggests, they can be man's saviour. not in a way that Lassie might lead you to a person in danger but in a more concrete way that they are NOT just something we used as cars, but a living thing that we depended on to get us to the point we are now as a civilization. though now the role of a horse has been relegated in significance to the realm of gambling.

there is a lot more mythology and archetypal signficance to a horse than a dog, as i alluded to by referring to the trojan horse. even as a loved domesticated animal, the horse holds a special place as it now divides class systems in a way that a dog does not. any old idiot can have a dog, but you have to be either rich or stuck in the ancient past (ie. be some kind of backward brokeback farmer) to associate with horses.

i still believe in this movie.
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Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on November 21, 2011, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on October 06, 2011, 09:50:38 AM

i still believe in this movie.

oh yeah, I totally do too.  Like I said, it will probably make a great movie.  The use of an animal like the horse and it's natural grace and speed has lots of power on film.  I look forward to and will more than likely enjoy this movie.
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Post by: wilder on November 29, 2011, 05:18:19 PM
Steven Spielberg Says Film Processing Labs Could Be Gone In 10 Years
via The Playlist

Steven Spielberg seemingly might be following in the steps of his old guard peers -- James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Ridley Scott – veteran filmmakers jumping headfirst into 3D and new technologies. After all, his upcoming adventure film "Tintin" is his first digitally shot motion-capture film in 3D, and it's employing state of the art technology all around.

And while Spielberg seems happy to experiment with these new tools, during a recent sneak preview screening of his latest live-action film, "War Horse," in New York this past weekend, the 64-year-old director called himself decidedly "old school" and lamented the vanishing of the classical ways of filmmaking. While a 6-minute video recap of the conversation is below, the Q&A hosted by writer Mark Harris went on for almost an hour.

One thing's certain: Spielberg wants to keep shooting on 35-millimeter film, even if he's acutely aware that burgeoning digital technology may make the medium extinct in the near future.

"I'm still shooting on celluloid; I'm still shooting on 35mm film," he said. "I love film and I'm not planning any time soon to convert to the Red Camera [or] to shoot a digital movie. I guess my first digital movie was 'Tintin' because 'Tintin' has no film step. There is no intermediate film step. It's 100% digital animation but as far as far as a live-action film, I'm still planning to shoot everything on film. I guess when the last lab goes out of business, we'll all be forced to shoot digitally and that could be in eight-to-ten years. It's possible in ten years' time there will be no labs processing celluloid."

While some see the film as influenced by John Ford, Spielberg says that's just one small piece of the visual puzzle, and said the film contained no direct homages to Ford.

"I just shot with wide lenses and that's not something that's shot today. And some people who see 'War Horse' think it looks old fashioned because I shot it the way a lot of the directors from the '30s and '40s shot their movies: by giving the audience the respect of being editors."

Spielberg said if he chose to shoot wide enough and put seven characters in the shot, audiences could choose to concentrate on who they wanted to. "That was a philosophy that was used for 75 years of filmmaking and then with television everything got [small], and we lost the ability to shoot wide. So it's old fashioned in that sense, because I just opened up the screen and made it larger."

With that widescreen shooting in mind, asked if he would prefer that audiences saw the movie in a theater over DVD or some small-screen technology, Spielberg vehemently agreed. "Yes! I would love that," he exclaimed. "Please see it in a movie theater. We made it for you that way."

Keeping with the idea of old school cinema, when asked what kind of genres of films he still hopes to make, Spielberg did not hesitate. "I would love to do a musical. I would love that," he said enthusiastically, noting he currently had no specific musical in mind, but it's on his wishlist of genres to tackle. "I would have to find the right book, the right story, but some day I'm going to make one. I would really like to go off and direct a musical. That's what I would really like to do when I grow up."

While "proper" reviews haven't quite hit yet, there's been enough written about "War Horse" to glean that some are calling it a surefire Oscar contender while others are describing it as heavy treacle (which still probably still makes it a big contender). Divisive, potentially? Sounds like it, but a "serious" Steven Spielberg picture is always something to at least take notice of.

Short video interview with Spielberg after the link (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/old-fashioned-steven-spielberg-says-film-processing-labs-could-be-gone-in-10-years-pleads-with-audiences-to-see-war-horse-on-the-big-screen?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed)