Should the best picture & director go hand in hand at the Oscars?
I think so. The director is the final author of the project, and if she or he has made what is considered to be the best picture, he should also be considered the top in his or her respective category.
Except that the director usually doesn't control the original story, only how we see it. I think they should be separate because of this. I can see someone winning best director for a movie that doesn't win best picture. I can also see the opposite.
Right. Just like the Best Screenplay and Best Picture don't neccesarily (and very often don't) coincide. Directing is still only one aspect of the final film.
Quote from: DerekShould the best picture & director go hand in hand at the Oscars?
I think so. The director is the final author of the project, and if she or he has made what is considered to be the best picture, he should also be considered the top in his or her respective category.
are you saying that they shouldn't be different catagories? or are you saying the director should be given the oscar for best picture isntead of the producer of the film?
The director has control over everything. Therefore, responsible for the end result...no matter how much he decides to change, create, or leave alone.
Quote from: DerekThe director has control over everything. Therefore, responsible for the end result...no matter how much he decides to change, create, or leave alone.
im sorry to break you idealistic view of movies, but, the producer has the final say. very few directors have final cut.
Quote from: DerekThe director has control over everything. Therefore, responsible for the end result...no matter how much he decides to change, create, or leave alone.
I have two words for you... Kubrick... Spartacus...
Quote from: cowboykurtisQuote from: DerekThe director has control over everything. Therefore, responsible for the end result...no matter how much he decides to change, create, or leave alone.
im sorry to break you idealistic view of movies, but, the producer has the final say. very few directors have final cut.
Thanks for being gentle. Of course there are exceptions, but usually the movies that go up for Best Picture are not made by committee.
Quote from: DerekQuote from: cowboykurtisQuote from: DerekThe director has control over everything. Therefore, responsible for the end result...no matter how much he decides to change, create, or leave alone.
im sorry to break you idealistic view of movies, but, the producer has the final say. very few directors have final cut.
Thanks for being gentle. Of course there are exceptions, but usually the movies that go up for Best Picture are not made by committee.
again, sorry to break your idealistic views, but all studio films are made by comitte. do you think business men give "free reign" over millions of dollars to artists? even martin scorsese had troubles with gangs of new york. why do you think it took so long to get released... 2 words.... harvey weinstein
Then perhaps they should give the producer the Best Director award too.
Don't patronize me.
Quit flirting, you two.
Quote from: DerekThen perhaps they should give the producer the Best Director award too.
Don't patronize me.
no, you're wrong again, they shouldnt get teh best director award, because they didn't direct it-- they produced it... the best director should get the best director award. the producer should get the best picture award. pretty simple. thats how it is, thats how its always been.
Not much for thinking outside the box, are we?
Quote from: DerekNot much for thinking outside the box, are we?
not when it comes to incosequential "rules" of an institution that has been around for 75 years. my time is better off wasted thinking outside the box about things that can actually be apllied. good luck with your brave attempt to change the format of the academy awards. maybe ill read about you some day.
You need to stop thinking so literally. I was looking at the philosophy of the matter, not the logistics.
Quote from: DerekYou need to stop thinking so literally. I was looking at the philosophy of the matter, not the logistics.
good for you. i was thinking of the logistics. you need to stop thinking so philosophical.
there is a little thing called sarcasm. you're the one taking my words literally, buddy boy.
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well...that was mature. Now, if other people are allowed to post in this thread:
I think there should be different awards for best picture and best director. The director works his ass off and deserves some recognition, but his film isn't necessarily the best film. Some films are a lot harder to pull off then others. And if they pull it off with a good film, then they deserve the credit. I don't like the fact that the producer gets the oscar for best picture, but, I'm not 100% sure about this, byut I think, in the end, the production company gets the actual oscar, not a particular person. They have them on display at Paramount, etc. And don't they have best producer awards? Once again, not 100% sure, but I think I heard about that.
why don't you like the fact of the producer getting the award for best picture? the producer is the one that makes it all possible.
yeah, but he or she don't have the same creative input as the director. I beleive the director used to get the best picture oscar until a few years ago.
Quote from: Recceyeah, but he or she don't have the same creative input as the director. I beleive the director used to get the best picture oscar until a few years ago.
you're wrong. the producer has always gotten it. look it up.
you have to realize that when it comes to best picture; a producer is the one who finds the material, options the screenplay, has the studio relationship, pitches the concept, raises the money, hires the director, helps cast the film, has final say of the films content and editing, decides marketing stratagies, and really oversees the whole production. yes the director is the creative mastermind, but it is the producer who is able to have the insight to put the right director with the right screenplay. obviously this does not apply to every project.: many directors develope there own projects and co-produce. but when talking about studio pictures this is traditionally how it goes. when it comes down to it, the producer is the first one on set and the last to go home. he's the grandfather of the film.
When a Best Foreign Film wins an Oscar, it's awarded to the director.
i think the way the oscars are now in terms of who gets what is okay and logical. same for the director and producer thing. the film the director made wins best picture.... why does he need a stupid little statuette to represent that?
Quote from: cecil b. dementedi think the way the oscars are now in terms of who gets what is okay and logical. same for the director and producer thing. the film the director made wins best picture.... why does he need a stupid little statuette to represent that?
Thank you
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Quote from: cowboykurtisQuote from: Recceyeah, but he or she don't have the same creative input as the director. I beleive the director used to get the best picture oscar until a few years ago.
you're wrong. the producer has always gotten it. look it up.
you have to realize that when it comes to best picture; a producer is the one who finds the material, options the screenplay, has the studio relationship, pitches the concept, raises the money, hires the director, helps cast the film, has final say of the films content and editing, decides marketing stratagies, and really oversees the whole production. yes the director is the creative mastermind, but it is the producer who is able to have the insight to put the right director with the right screenplay. obviously this does not apply to every project.: many directors develope there own projects and co-produce. but when talking about studio pictures this is traditionally how it goes. when it comes down to it, the producer is the first one on set and the last to go home. he's the grandfather of the film.
The producer's guild must love you cowboy! Yeah, I think things like the auteur theory takes a lot of credit away from the producer. A good producer is key to a movie, the director doesn't do everything.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do cowboy? You looking to produce anything?
Quote from: EL__SCORCHOQuote from: cowboykurtisQuote from: Recceyeah, but he or she don't have the same creative input as the director. I beleive the director used to get the best picture oscar until a few years ago.
you're wrong. the producer has always gotten it. look it up.
you have to realize that when it comes to best picture; a producer is the one who finds the material, options the screenplay, has the studio relationship, pitches the concept, raises the money, hires the director, helps cast the film, has final say of the films content and editing, decides marketing stratagies, and really oversees the whole production. yes the director is the creative mastermind, but it is the producer who is able to have the insight to put the right director with the right screenplay. obviously this does not apply to every project.: many directors develope there own projects and co-produce. but when talking about studio pictures this is traditionally how it goes. when it comes down to it, the producer is the first one on set and the last to go home. he's the grandfather of the film.
The producer's guild must love you cowboy! Yeah, I think things like the auteur theory takes a lot of credit away from the producer. A good producer is key to a movie, the director doesn't do everything.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do cowboy? You looking to produce anything?
depends on the material.