there are lots and lots of talented thinkers, but few who can relate their thoughts to a story. so much is lost between the thought to the page and then so much more is lost from the page to your eyes. don't just think someone can just dream and make real. it takes strength and it's when you get weak, that's when the dream is lost. pdl had some great thinking to it, but most was lost in transit. granted there are some "ooooo's" and "gee that's swell" but, in telling the story, it lacked. it's like being a vegetarian and explaining that by eating gummy bears. gummy bears are made from animals, dipshit.
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eh?
i said the story wasn't told very good. the ideal got lost in all the wit. witty, yes. story, lost. story told badly. bad story line. great sound and cinematography and actors, but story was sacrificed.
SIR! Please put down the grudge!
there is no grudge. it's just that some people, not just pta, think it is better to be considered smart via insecurities induced by a cryptic story line. you got people in the audience going, "why don't i get it?" "i must not be creative enough to understand the rambling plot of a weak story line." it gives the emperors new clothing a modern day twist. after seeing the movie quite a few times, i gotta say the only thing special about the movie are the people and technologies employed, not some special vision or ideal. that was lost. lost in the pockets of a egoist rambling nonsensicle emperor who likes to walk around in the nude and laugh at the general populace while they exclaim how beautiful and visionary the clothing he is wearing is.
i guess my question i was hoping to discuss here is are we telling a story with cinema or are we going for something else? personally, i think we tell stories with film. all else is jackass or advertising.
I can see how you could apply what you're saying to other films, but PDL is simplistic... There's nothing completely crazy in it where you could just say "I just don't get it" as far as the story goes... I mean people could possibly not understand why he chose to tell the story in the way that he did, but the story is pretty straight forward... Maybe you don't like it... that's fine, but it seems like you're accusing us of pretending to see something in it that we don't just so we don't look dumb in front of others.
We can do a lot of things with film... PDL tells a story, there's no denying that, but there are different ways of going about telling a story... why does it have to just be a straight forward story... if that's what you want all the time, watch more television.
Both must be equally great. I used to think story was the only thing that mattered, but after seeing Mamet direct (utter shit) I realized that you need great pictures and sounds to accompany the story. Hence, Paul Schrader scripts are better in the hands of a visual director like Scorsese (although I really like Schrader-directed films, they don't come close to Taxi Driver or Raging Bull).
That being said, I do agree that PDL didn't quite do it for me like Boogie Nights or Magnolia did. That seems to be a taboo thing to say around here, but that's what I felt.
As an after-thought: I read a PTA quote where he said "for better or worse, Magnolia will be the best film I ever do". I think that could be true.
I'm just jumping in but I would say even "Jackass" has a story.. its a story of several jackasses doing jackass stunts. and its a funny fuckin' story.
I would revise your statement to "we tell stories with film, and put advertising in the middle."
whats lost in the pockets of mos sprockets is the flo an the sho of how eye talkits...i wont alter my ego fo you an your needs yo...or preamble the ramble of dis jumble jamble manimal...the beast is brewed nude wit attitude that protrudes...the general pop u lace wit dis taste and disgrace i save face and embrace wit good grace fo all race...
i walk around...
itsa bitsa mitsa ditsa ifsa witsa spitsa hitsa yitsa shitsa twitsa mista...
bush whacker on a ritz cracker with a hamstacker and a montery jacker lyke a linebacker frumda greenbay packer mo bluer than blacker when i whacker and smacker...
non sense to those with no sense...
drop change in yo collar...
cha ching
No offense but I feel more comfortable reading what you say when I pretend you're Mr. T.
keep them comin homy Bee, you smell like the see, we'll go slackin and jackin the Brothas who trackin, and set the world straight, appreciate, the linebackers, packers, whackerssmackerscrackers, till their down on the floor, askin for more, tellin em sure, feelin what day for, WORD sly devil.
Quote from: SoNowThenAs an after-thought: I read a PTA quote where he said "for better or worse, Magnolia will be the best film I ever do". I think that could be true.
I think he has since ammended that view after PDL. Or so I seem to remember someone saying so. I think it was Greg.
On a serious note...or is this post just for jibberish?
I don't think the story of PDL was intended to be in depth....just like the love displayed, it was simple. For the depth you had to look into Barry's character. I would agree, the story wasn't anything spectatular, but I don't think Paul intended it to be. The film flowed on many other things than the plot.
The Mise-en-scene (look it up) value PDL had was almost as good as it gets.......
paid po the womb brat,
turn the lights back on and take off your mamas shoes before i beat you lyke a slap child...
sin and file,
if mr t be thee auditory glee you need then read with speed my fertile weed seed inducing mind grow producing hell spell confusing rappa dappa liscocity...
I thought PDL was wonderful. I do think it was his worst film, however it did something that very few current films can do, it made me feel. i was fully engaged with the characters, and felt wonderful when i walked out -- i was so happy and couldnt say why. yes, teh screenplay is remedial from a traditional standpoint, by no means is it a masterpeice. i think his ohter film are on a whole different frequency -- but, he was trying something different -- and i thought it was breathing with life and had a frenetic energy that jumped off the screen. however i must say the second time i saw it, i didn't feel those feelings again -- i became very aware of the "filmmaking" which ruined it for me. i see it almost like a magic act, the trick is never as impressive the second time.
sorry mac guffin for this impending negativity buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...
no cock work jj,
fluckin spell rite beefour you condeesend your "look it up" bowlshit on these poor kids...mess and seen...you need to get yo head out your asstro physics book and remember what you small lyke in the first place...
or is this post jus for jibberish...what a no respect no clue knucklehead...
sorry mac indeed...i will to keeps that to a min-a-mull...
stoopid half assed calmedians
i agree that jackass has a story. the story is similar to pdl. some really gut grabbing moments that bring quick feeling and emotion and then dies just as fast. these movies teach us to leave the story on the sticky floor of the theater and take with us the flash and bang to talk about. like the man in the background or the paper cut. the love on the knuckle or the silly little man falling and hurting himself. punch-drunk-jackass.
Lance falling on his ass or a guy shoving a toy car up his ass....
Love the title. Hope to see it in theatres next year. I'll look forward to Knoxville and the Jackass crew singing Aimee Mann's "Wise Up" while performing stunts.
Quote from: bluthere is no grudge. it's just that some people, not just pta, think it is better to be considered smart via insecurities induced by a cryptic story line. you got people in the audience going, "why don't i get it?" "i must not be creative enough to understand the rambling plot of a weak story line." it gives the emperors new clothing a modern day twist. after seeing the movie quite a few times, i gotta say the only thing special about the movie are the people and technologies employed, not some special vision or ideal. that was lost. lost in the pockets of a egoist rambling nonsensicle emperor who likes to walk around in the nude and laugh at the general populace while they exclaim how beautiful and visionary the clothing he is wearing is.
i guess my question i was hoping to discuss here is are we telling a story with cinema or are we going for something else? personally, i think we tell stories with film. all else is jackass or advertising.
just out of curiosity what do you think of pta's other films?
no, i don't want to anwer that. sorry, it was a good question. there is too much to say for just one post, though and my hands start hurting when i get to like the 8-9th page
Quote from: miss jonessorry mac guffin for this impending negativity buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...
no cock work jj,
fluckin spell rite beefour you condeesend your "look it up" bowlshit on these poor kids...mess and seen...you need to get yo head out your asstro physics book and remember what you small lyke in the first place...
or is this post jus for jibberish...what a no respect no clue knucklehead...
sorry mac indeed...i will to keeps that to a min-a-mull...
stoopid half assed calmedians
make just one fuckin' coherent point or thought in just one post of yours, then I can respect you....until then...you are a waste of kilobytes...
F=ma (Force = mass times acceleration....1 of Newton's 3 laws of motion, I can share the others too, while I have my head in my book)
aclockworkjj ..... I agree fully.
This place is for discussion, not half-assed poetry/rap/beatnik whateverthefuck.
Quote from: CinephileNo offense but I feel more comfortable reading what you say when I pretend you're Mr. T.
you are right, it does come across better that way.
Quote from: SoNowThenhalf-assed poetry/rap/beatnik whateverthefuck.
jibberish
It's all very funny and a little sad at once... can't describe the feeling I'm experiencing right now... initial reaction is to slap some sense into some people, but something else just tells me to sit back and laugh at the ignorance.
Quote from: bluno, i don't want to anwer that. sorry, it was a good question. there is too much to say for just one post, though and my hands start hurting when i get to like the 8-9th page
the reason i asked was to see whether or not your criticism was based on merit or your spite for the director. if pdl is shit in your opinion, what is an example of a well scripted film? since i don't know your intentions, I can't acurately process your opinions.
i won't say what i wish to but this
don't knock what you don't get
Quote from: RegularKarateIt's all very funny and a little sad at once... can't describe the feeling I'm experiencing right now... initial reaction is to slap some sense into some people, but something else just tells me to sit back and laugh at the ignorance.
Reminds me of when Barry identifies himself over the phone to Dean, and Dean replies, ~, "Well, how do I know? You could be anybody!"
They all tell a story...PDL tells it most precisely.
Sorry blu, you lost me @ the gummy bears.
Well I will say what I want to…
Fuck these shit talking half-ass beatnik whateverthefucks.
You are in the wrong neighborhood kid. Check your map -WJ
I don’t underline anything so pay attention.
So now then…
Your new name is irony
Keep talking… I enjoy laughing
AJ minus the clockwork/style/creativity/stacks/wit/bitches/j
You ripped off a cheap photocopy
People round here got real deal color copies
Not blasphemer the great
I had my eye on you from day one
Figured you for an imposter
Realize you are… Just in a different way
Kudos
I hope you won't rest on your laurels
AND BLU…
Wassup with you?
You floored me.
Dissin PDL?
You kidding?
You must be
What has this wwworld come to?
D
PS Keep foolin around and the misses gonna bring the homicide bombers.
a cock jerk jj,
you my pal in so cal...so how bout we meet to eat...yes indeedy sweetie...i extend an invite to drop the veil on your tail...you dont deserve it and i wont conserve it...what do you say gay...wanna dance with the devil...or is all this jus jibberish to you...im in the valley south of the bullie...where you at playa?...let me know so we can go...arts or the other...call it brutha...bring bitch ass blu...who knew?...
you quote me then smote me?...can't have it both ways...but im jus jabbin jibs again aint i?
lafin at you with sfinks, lawless and my crew...
sad but trew
Quote from: miss jonesa cock jerk jj,
you my pal in so cal...so how bout we meet to eat...yes indeedy sweetie...i extend an invite to drop the veil on your tail...you dont deserve it and i wont conserve it...what do you say gay...wanna dance with the devil...or is all this jus jibberish to you...im in the valley south of the bullie...where you at playa?...let me know so we can go...arts or the other...call it brutha...bring bitch ass blu...who knew?...
you quote me then smote me?...can't have it both ways...but im jus jabbin jibs again aint i?
lafin at you with sfinks, lawless and my crew...
sad but trew
I am in OC...Anaheim....bring yo ass down to the shizzy fo my mizzy is thin , but still rizzy...a clock tells the time and does not hate, but fo sure you had to recipracate...I know now why....and care not to imply. But rather hand out my graditude for a buy....a buy of a beer of a fly, fo shizzle nizzle...too bad we got off on the wrong fizzle...take this as my my last and final razzle dazzle.....Newton, the man, had 3 laws....fo yo to hat on the fisics is harsh.....come real as I am throwing it all on the tizzle fo shizzle.
Droppin' nut in butt love....
but, no, sorry ....not gay....
Quote from: Sheriff LawlessnessI had my eye on you from day one
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Good ...keep watchin'...and wait....
(sorry admins, but I am sick of dumb shit, but you all should know my intentions are well)
... and, in the end, the love you make -
now that shit will help you solve the case.
Quote from: aclockworkjj
Droppin' nut in butt love....
If your sick of dumb shit… then quit biting mine.
Foo
Plagiarism is a bitch
please, don't get upset, sherif. i am just picking on one thing that sucked in the movie. lestus not forget the 20 - 30 things that were great.
eye regulate this tiff with the lawless sheriff so i b speaking for him when i say he aint upset...he's already down the road at the saloon playing poker, drinking gin, and infecting the hos...if you dint know int you was mentally arrested days ago...cuffed up and locked down on the outskirts of nowhere...
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whoa, you folks should really calm down, try thinking of jeremy blakes artwork, or maybe smoke some pot, either way your starting to sound like AICN talkbackers, which is really too bad and not what this site is for
driving mr t was a riot at the hyatt...love that groovy moovy...the soundtrack, the acting, the cinematography, the effects, an overall on point joint...thanks for sharing...i gotta abort this short retort to snort it again...
little housecleaning tho...
1)the xixax hidden message blip shit is ghey
2)if u only posted seven times...refrain from tellin uthas to calm down
3)if you only posted seven times because you changed your name...find a new game
4)if you avg mo than .5 post per day your quality mos lykly suffers at the hands of quantity
5)haters come and go but the ones in the know make it flo
6)respect aint a four letter word
7)peep who sleep thru my deep dish are destined to creep with the catfish
8)train yo wrecks in the way that they should go and the pain will not depart from me
9)biblical irrefrences are widely misundertood and mosly underused
10)if it smells stanky...it probably tastes that way too playa
untie don morrow,
atticus jones
*raises glass*
enough thinking i am gonna follow someones advice and go back to drinking.
peace out, miss jones.
cinephile, you crack me up.
Quote from: Mellow Fellowwhoa, you folks should really calm down,
Calm.....what, I am calm....jeeze, what is it with you people? No, not YOU people, but you people.... :P