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Title: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on October 28, 2008, 05:43:22 PM
Downey, Favreau team again for 'Avengers'
Don Cheadle also signs on for superhero movie
Source: Hollywood Reporter

"Iron Man" duo Robert Downey Jr. and Jon Favreau will reunite for "The Avengers," Marvel Studios' film about its team of superheroes. Don Cheadle, whose deal to replace Terrence Howard in the "Iron Man" movies has been finalized, also has signed to perform in the action movie.

Downey has signed a four-picture deal with Marvel Studios, which will see him reprise the character of Tony Stark not only for "Iron Man 2" and "Iron Man 3," but also for the "Avengers" movie. (The deal retroactively includes the first "Iron Man.")

Favreau, who is directing "Iron Man 2," will exec produce "Avengers." Cheadle will play Jim Rhodes, Stark's best friend, who becomes the suit-wearing hero "War Machine."

Marvel's current slate is designed to introduce superhero characters via individual movies that lead up to the characters teaming up for "Avengers," which is set for a release in 2011.

Marvel hoped and planned for Downey, who made a cameo in "The Incredible Hulk," to be involved in "Avengers" but the deal took some time to nail down.

Downey and Cheadle are the first stars to sign on for "Avengers," whose team roster features such heroes as Iron Man, Captain American, Hulk, Wasp, Giant Man, Hawkeye and Thor.

Edward Norton portrayed Bruce Banner/Hulk in "Hulk," but the actor-writer-director clashed with the studio over the movie's cut. It is unclear whether Norton would return.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 28, 2008, 06:02:29 PM
I really enjoyed Iron Man, but I think all these sequels will do little for my taste buds. Robert Downey Jr.'s comedy made Iron Man what it is, but as the series starts to involve more serious characteristics and plots from the comic book, I think it may scare off people like me who care little for the Marvel World. The geekdom will be giddy with all the references and new characters, but it may be a big "ehh" from me.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on November 26, 2008, 12:15:35 AM
Robert Downey Jr. On 'Avengers' Movie: 'If We Don't Get It Right, It's Really Going To Suck'

This week, MTV News named Robert Downey Jr. as the actor we're most thankful for this year, and we here at Splash Page couldn't agree more. After all, not only has Downey taken the role of Tony Stark/Iron Man and made it his own, there doesn't seem to be an actor more excited about not only his place in comics-based films, but the future of the genre as well.

The internet damn-near gave the actor a standing ovation when news broke last month about Downey not only signing on for "Iron Man 2," but also officially joining the cast of the absurdly-anticipated "Avengers" movie. So naturally, we had to get Downey's take on the upcoming film that's destined to be the Holy Grail for Geekdom, and you can rest assured knowing that the actor is well-aware of how important the film will be to not only Marvel, but the comics community as a whole.

"If we don't get it right it's really, really going to suck," said Downey. "It has to be the crowning blow of Marvel's best and brightest because it's the hardest thing to get right. It's tough to spin all the plates for one of these characters."

However, in taking on the role of a key member of the Avengers to such digital fanfare, Downey has in a sense become the face of the operation — at least until other Marvel films such as "Captain America" and "Thor" get made (and, likewise, until Marvel figures out how to handle the Hulk). To a lesser actor, this seems like an insurmountable amount of pressure, but Downey remains level-headed, and like any good soldier, knows he's got a job to do, knows he's already got a solid team at his side, and looks forward to seeing how the other films will play into the "Avengers."

"I think its important that I do what I'm supposed to do which is keep my side of the street clean," said Downey. "The danger you run with colliding all these worlds is [director] Jon [Favreau] was very certain that 'Iron Man' should be set in a very realistic world. Nothing that happened in 'Iron Man' is really outside the realm of possibility. Once you start talking about Valhalla and supersized super soldiers and jolly green giants it warrants much further discussion."
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on April 13, 2010, 06:15:28 PM
Whedon to head 'Avengers'
Source: Variety

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and the Incredible Hulk will soon start taking orders from Joss Whedon.

Marvel Studios is wrapping up a deal for Whedon to helm "The Avengers," which assembles the superheroes in one pic on May 4, 2012, that Paramount will distrib. Whedon will also rework Zak Penn's script.

Whedon, a favorite among fanboys, most recently penned the script for "Cabin in the Woods," a horror pic that he is also producing for MGM. Pic co-stars Chris Hemsworth, who plays the hammer-wielding Thor.

The creator of series like "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Angel," "Firefly" and more recently "Dollhouse," all for Fox, has been close to helming a superhero pic before, namely "Wonder Woman" for Joel Silver at Warner Bros., but Whedon wound up ankling the project due to creative issues.

He directed episodes of those series, and recently helmed an episode of Fox's "Glee." "Serenity" is his sole film directing credit. The sci-fi western, distribbed by Universal in 2005, was based on the short-lived "Firefly."

"The Avengers" extends Whedon's long relationship with Marvel. He wrote for the comicbook company's "Astonishing X-Men" series.

"The Avengers" would star Robert Downey Jr. (as Iron Man), Chris Evans (Captain America), Hemsworth (Thor) and Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury). Edward Norton may also return as the Hulk.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on July 12, 2010, 01:31:24 PM
Marvel dumps Norton as Hulk: Sorry, but you're not a team player
Source: SciFi Wire

The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets, right? We're wondering whether the same will be true for Ed Norton, who recently learned that he WON'T be back as the green giant in The Avengers.

We'd all been awaiting the news that Norton would be returning in the role, even thinking it might be confirmed at Comic-Con next week, when Marvel Studios President of Production Kevin Feige made this startlingly candid announcement:

"We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title role of Bruce Banner in the Avengers. Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the coming weeks."

In response, Ed Norton's agent Brian Swardstrom got his Hulk on:

"This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light. Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in The Avengers. He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with the rest of the cast at ComiCon and make it the event of the convention. When I said that Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very excited and we agreed that Edward should meet with Joss Whedon to discuss the project. Edward and Joss had a very good meeting (confirmed by Feige to me) at which Edward said he was enthusiastic at the prospect of being a part of the ensemble cast. Marvel subsequently made him a financial offer to be in the film and both sides started negotiating in good faith. This past Wednesday, after several weeks of civil, uncontentious discussions, but before we had come to terms on a deal, a representative from Marvel called to say they had decided to go in another direction with the part. This seemed to us to be a financial decision but, whatever the case, it is completely their prerogative, and we accepted their decision with no hard feelings.

"We know a lot of fans have voiced their public disappointment with this result, but this is no excuse for Feige's mean spirited, accusatory comments. Counter to what Kevin implies here, Edward was looking forward to the opportunity to work with Joss and the other actors in the Avengers cast, many of whom are personal friends of his. Feige's statement is unprofessional, disingenuous and clearly defamatory. Mr. Norton talent, tireless work ethic and professional integrity deserve more respect, and so do Marvel's fans.


We don't know which side to believe. But one thing we do know—the story ain't over yet!
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on July 14, 2010, 10:47:36 PM
Mark Ruffalo In Late-Stage Talks To Be Marvel's New Hulk in 'The Avengers'
By Nikki Finke; Deadline Hollywood   

EXCLUSIVE: Imagine the Hollywood actor whom you'd least expect to play The Incredible Hulk in The Avengers, and maybe, just maybe, you'd come up with the name of Mark Ruffalo. He's always been an actor's actor and is getting critical raves in Focus Features' The Kids Are All Right which opened last weekend. But I've learned that he's now in late-stage discussions between Marvel and his brand-new agency United Talent to play this key member of The Avengers ensemble. Like Edward Norton, whom he'd be replacing, Ruffalo would bring real chops to the role. But, unlike Edward Norton, he wouldn't an on-set asshole.

Meanwhile, let me get out of the way that Thor (May 6, 2011) and Captain America (July 22, 2011) will be in 3D. They were filmed in 2D but the plan has been for the visual effects to be rendered in 3D for Captain America while Thor will undergo more of a traditional conversion. Kevin Feige is going to great lengths to ensure this isn't just a botched rush job. OK, enough with that.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: pete on July 14, 2010, 11:03:58 PM
I remember chappelle was talking about how every great comic (particularly black comic) had to do the hackey thing and stain their careers by dressing in drag in a movie - and it seems like every great serious actor of our era has to do the hackey thing by being a superhero.
I still find it so odd that such a specific, almost marginal part of the American pop culture can get so much mainstream attention.  and I really do wonder if people are paying the cash because they like comic books and superheroes, or they just wanna see a loud action movie on a Friday night with a good actor in it.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on September 20, 2010, 08:04:13 PM
Norton: 'Avengers' decision was 'business'
Says it was 'nobody's fault' he won't reprise Hulk role
Source: THR

Edward Norton is still defending his relationship with Marvel -- months after revealing he wouldn't be reprising his role as the The Incredible Hulk in sequel "The Avengers."

"I didn't want to be negative. I had a great time doing [the movie]. I was really happy to be part of it all," Norton told MTV News on Saturday when asked if he was taken aback with Marvel head Kevin Feige's statement that he would not be returning because of "the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members." Norton's agent then snapped back that the studio was, "unprofessional, disingenuous and clearly defamatory."

Explains Norton to MTV News, "The thing that was very disingenuous about some of the stuff... it was a very professional and very respectful business decision. We really couldn't work it out on a business level. I know that's a disappointment to some people, but it's nobody's fault. I don't have any disrespect for anyone's decision in the business framework... do what you need to do on both sides. I have no idea why anyone tried to characterize it as anything else."

Plus, adds Norton, "My life's way too good on too many levels to be over-intense about things like that."

Norton is still a fan of the franchise. "If you're going to do one of those [series], you don't want to be in one of the bad ones. I'm really happy people had a good thing with that."

Norton is next due in thriller "Stone" this October.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: modage on September 23, 2010, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on September 20, 2010, 08:04:13 PM
I'm really happy people had a good thing with that."

Haha, what the fuck are you talking about Ed Norton?  Can we get this on the marquee?
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Pozer on October 12, 2011, 10:51:50 AM
mehler.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/)
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: MacGuffin on February 29, 2012, 05:33:39 PM
New Trailer


Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Pubrick on February 29, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
This will make no sense, it'll be great.

Nighthawk is pretty useless though, so's Capt America and scar jo. The coolest looking scenes seem to involve Thor iron man and hulk.

Also that thing they're fighting looks like the giant worm thing from transformers the last one. I caught the last 30mins at a friends place alright, I was drinking.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: pete on March 01, 2012, 04:03:10 AM
actors need to stop dropping into the shot with the catwoman pose.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Sleepless on March 01, 2012, 10:58:58 AM
Expecting this to be both awful and the biggest movie of the year.

Also, ScarJo looks completely irrelevant clicking her tiny gun in that final shot surrounded by the Hulk, etc.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 01, 2012, 03:06:21 PM
Mark Ruffalo seems severly miscast... but I guess I can see him making a good angry face.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: modage on April 14, 2012, 05:52:22 PM
It's not great but fanboys won't notice. It has more than its share of geek-out moments which work really well so the other things probably won't matter to most.

More: http://modage.tumblr.com/post/21106612534/the-avengers-review
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Sleepless on April 15, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
Good review, Mod.  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Reel on April 25, 2012, 09:44:38 PM
Neil Cumstain's review (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-neill-cumpston-returns-to-review-the-avengers)
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Pubrick on April 30, 2012, 12:08:45 PM
i don't know whose dumb idea it was to release this like it was Tintin.. the rest of the world has less invested in this than the US so letting me see it first makes no sense even as a marketing strategy. actually now that i think about it, it kinda does, and it makes me wonder why ALL films aren't released this way.

the usual pattern is to release it in the US first, and let the rest of the world salivate for a few days/months (or in the case of france probably not give a shit), and let the international gross be a caveat to either cushion or redeem the scucess or failure the film may have experienced on domestic release. but this alternative method makes america want it MORE because everyone else has it. it really is cruel and kind of brilliant. or it could just be a stupid mistake done by idiots in charge with no psychological insight whatsoever.

and now my review:

first 10 mins are kind of lame. the next twenty or so getting the team assembled is much better. and once they get together i think the whole film becomes great. there is nothing you could want in a tentpole blockbuster that this film wont' deliver. and it also has something most of the big ones utterly lack: humour.

i was surprised by how funny it was. though that may have been expected by the fanboys of whedon who suckle at his hit-and-miss teat, i've been more underwhelmed by the dude's output than barely whelmed. his brand of humour is something like a slightly evolved family guy.. where instead of every scene being a set up for something random, whedon constructs every scene to be a set up for a witty/sarcastic/smug/sometimes perplexing/cringe-worthy line of dialogue that plays as the character equivalent of winking at the camera.

but it mostly works! the best scenes and best payoffs involve the hulk. possibly due to my growing hatred of dialogue in films (see: tintin), i found the hulks physical humour to be (along with his physical threat's importance to the narrative) the most interesting and naturally enjoyable parts of the film. to prove my point about whedon's formula being its own worst enemy recall this one scene with the hulk..

SPOILER ALERT>>> 
the part where he bashes loki.. that's the funniest scene in the movie, but then whedon goes and crams a stupid witty line for the hulk to say because he just can't help himself.. good luck hearing it over the uproarious response already filling the cinema. 
<<<END SPOILER

final thoughts.. it's a great crowd pleaser, the kind you wish would happen more often. oh and for a film set in new york i think they really dropped the ball by not casting  more token blacks and at least one hispanic superhero. it's NEW YORK PEOPLE!

classic pubrick summary
worked - Ruffalo ruffalo Ruffalo ruffalo ruffalo ruffalo Ruffalo ruffalo
failed - captain america's monotheism
winner -  me for seeing it first.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: 72teeth on April 30, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Pubrick on April 30, 2012, 12:08:45 PM
classic pubrick summary
worked - Ruffalo ruffalo Ruffalo ruffalo ruffalo ruffalo Ruffalo ruffalo

ROTFLMAO rOTFLMAO ROTFLMAO rOTFLMAO rOTFLMAO rOTFLMAO ROTFLMAO rOTFLMAO :rofl:
classic pubrick humour
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: modage on April 30, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: Pubrick on April 30, 2012, 12:08:45 PM
final thoughts.. it's a great crowd pleaser, the kind you wish would happen more often. oh and for a film set in new york i think they really dropped the ball by not casting  more token blacks and at least one hispanic superhero. it's NEW YORK PEOPLE!
It didn't represent my life!

I think the reason it was released overseas first is because some kind of sporting event is going to take away all the attention in a week or so supposedly.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: ©brad on April 30, 2012, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: modage on April 30, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: Pubrick on April 30, 2012, 12:08:45 PM
final thoughts.. it's a great crowd pleaser, the kind you wish would happen more often. oh and for a film set in new york i think they really dropped the ball by not casting  more token blacks and at least one hispanic superhero. it's NEW YORK PEOPLE!
It didn't represent my life!

Hah!
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Ravi on May 05, 2012, 11:28:12 AM
Whedon juggled all these characters well while giving us a bit of their backstories, and yet the film never feels overstuffed. Stark gets the best lines.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: BB on May 08, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
For me, this is likely the best possible shitty tentpole. That's not to say that all tentpoles are shitty, just that those produced by Marvel tend to be (I haven't seen Thor). I appreciated the light, jocular tone. And some of the set pieces were pretty cool. But overall, it's the same old shit done better. A fun ride but not much of a film.

Also, old man that I am, I found the CGI overkill tiresome (just make it a fucking cartoon with a live action Scalett Johansson) and the 3D unnecessary and poorly incorporated (it seems directors and cinematographers still haven't realized that if an object is wider or taller than the frame, it's weird to look at in three dimensions).

Perhaps it's a tired point but I'm getting mighty sick of these fanboy movies dominating as they have over the last twenty years and that goes double for Marvel's decade of triumph. Once in a while: fine, good even. Four or five times a year: fucking no. I hope that with The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises this summer is recognized as the zenith of the trend and things start dying down over the next couple of years. They must. But they probably won't, and we'll have to endure another decade with diminishing returns until our collective personal standards are so low that ANYTHING will suffice. I think this has been Kevin Feige's plan all along. To ensure that no movie will ever flop again.

I long for the days of the stereotypical Hollywood super-producers, living large, indulging in absurd luxury, swimming in coke and pussy. At least they cared about prestige and had to balance their greed with output of reasonable quality to keep up appearances. With business-man nerds like Kevin Feige (a 40-year-old man who used the phrase "ZOMG-awesomeness" in a press release) you essentially have a giant adolescent running the show. Obviously, he's doing well by it. But I fear he's slowly turning us all into nerdy man-children like him. And the problem with a nerdy man-child culture is, things don't have to be good or interesting; they just have to be nerdy. Of course, maybe it's the other way around and the culture is driving the change.

In sum, I thought the movie was okay.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: Pubrick on May 09, 2012, 12:01:30 AM
i forgot to mention this in my review.. and i cannot stress it enough:

DO NOT SEE THIS IN 3D. 

DO NOT.

if you go see this in 3D and complain about the 3D then you are like the idiots in that woody allen joke who complain about the quality of the food and the small servings. actually that was a poignant joke,  you would be more like someone who eats shit and then says eww this tastes like shit.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: BB on May 09, 2012, 12:11:11 AM
I had no choice. It was either 3D or wait a month for it to open at the second run theater. I am otherwise in total agreement with you.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 13, 2012, 10:45:34 PM
I'm sorry and I know I'm might be slightly alone on this but aside from the spectacular action-this freaking sucked. Especially if you are not familiar with the background of the comics. Maybe its my fault that I didn't see 'Thor' or 'Captain America'. I just could't connect with any of the characters-I know I should have thought that would happen but I always hope that I can connect with the characters even though its a tent pole. Pubrick is Right: Ruffalo is awesome.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: pete on May 13, 2012, 10:51:28 PM
silias! what a curveball of you not liking a movie. fuck yeah dude! hate more movies please.

I thought the movie was so-so. some good jokes and good nerd out moments yes, but also some of the phoniest 80s/90s style bad extras and uniforms. also, none of the effects or stunts were especially imaginative. most of that stuff were pretty generic actually.
Title: Re: The Avengers
Post by: diggler on May 15, 2012, 05:54:59 PM
I was waiting for the backlash to start