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Trailer here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/grantorino/)
Release Date: December 26th, 2008 (wide)
Starring: Clint Eastwood, Cory Hardrict, Geraldine Hughes, Brian Haley
Directed by: Clint Eastwood
Premise: Disgruntled Korean War vet Walt Kowalski (Eastwood) sets out to reform his neighbor, a young Hmong teenager, who tried to steal Kowalski's prized possesion: his 1972 Gran Torino.
Wow, that looks pretty bad. Still cool to see Clint growling, though.
why bad?
it looks like it could be fun.
What the fuck is this? my god i'm confused, excited and disappointed...
is this a comedy? seriously. what's goin on here?
"Get offfffff myyyyy lawwwwwn?!?!?!"
I'm sold.
It could go either way. The story reaks of his Dirty Harry persona, but he proved with Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima that when you revisit a timely subject that you need to add a lot more to it to make it meaningful. Parts of the trailer showed that this could be an honest reflection film for him on a legendary character of his. If so, I hope it's interesting, but if it's just a simplistic retooling like Million Dollar Baby was, then I'm not too hopeful.
Even from just the poster you can tell how bland this thing is.
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Oooh, almost.
Quote from: squints on October 24, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
is this a comedy?
Yes. And a damn good one at that.
Clint plays a guy named Walt Kowlaski. A red, white and blue blooded patriotic American who fought in the Korean war and thus, is a big time racist. But underneath that tough man facade, he's got a heart of gold (obviously). It's also obvious he fought in the Korean war because anytime any of the Koreans from the neighborhood try and have any contact with him he reminds them that, "In Korea, I had your kind stacked 10 high!"
About the only time he leaves his porch is when he runs out of Pabst Blue Ribbon. One hilarious scene has him going over to his neighbors since they're having a family get together and have lots of beer. At one point he finds himself at a table surrounded by older Korean women feeding him tons of food, which elicits a response of something like (paraphrasing) "If I knew you Gooks cooked like this, I'd be alot nicer to you!"
HILARIOUS.
Some other comedic highlights for me was how the minorities around his neighborhood not only don't get offended by his racism, but they almost take it as a term of endearment.
Case in point: Walt saves his next door neighbor, some 13 or 14 year old kid from his cousins Korean street gang trying to openly recruit him (yes, in this movie, gangs openly recruit for new members) by pointing a gun at them and telling them, "GET OF MY LAWN!" of course they oblige because Korean street gangs are all talk. Anyways, he's now the hero of the neighborhood and all the Koreans bring him flowers and food to which he accepts by saying, "You damn gooks! Just leave me alone! Oh, is that apple pie? Okay, put it on the table you fucking chink."
His racist outbursts are usually met from his neighbors with a, "Oh, Walt. You're so silly! hehe."
HILARIOUS.
The gangs are probably the funniest part. They're a mix between every gang banging Asian stereotype, and the Puerto Ricans in West-Side Story. They snap, but they don't dance. Also, they carry switchblades, but they think they're black so every word out of their mouth is something they heard in a rap song. Some of them have ponytails.
Gotta hand it to the screenwriter. Some of the racial slurs he came up with are sure to enter into my everyday lexicon of verbal ammo anytime I get cut off by an Asian driver.
I watched it for about an hour and fifteen minutes before I realized it wasn't a comedy. I'm sure by the end Walt's had a change of heart and some kind of redemption. You could see it coming from a mile away.
sounds really gook.
if you can't enjoy this film because everything in it is totally unrealistic and cliché, you have autism. it's a kickass movie.
SoNowThen you're gonna like this one (it's a bit redneck-y)
Quote from: Pas Rap on December 15, 2008, 10:40:39 PM
if you can't enjoy this film because everything in it is totally unrealistic and cliché, you have autism. it's a kickass movie.
See, that's what I wanted to hear. My excitement of this film has been increasing every day.
I don't care if the characters are depicted with any sort of social relevancy or realism when the trailer looks so ridiculously enjoyable.
Actually they can be as stereotypically comedic as they want, so long as they're true to the tone of the film and the tone of this film looks like a real good time. A drive-in film in a multiplex generation. We'll see if any of this changes after I actually see it, though.
Quote from: Pas Rap on December 15, 2008, 10:40:39 PM
if you can't enjoy this film because everything in it is totally unrealistic and cliché, you have autism.
Crash 2. Crash II.
The parts with Clint acting badass were good, though.
Quote from: Stefen on December 16, 2008, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on December 15, 2008, 10:40:39 PM
if you can't enjoy this film because everything in it is totally unrealistic and cliché, you have autism.
Crash 2. Crash II.
The parts with Clint acting badass were good, though.
you mean like, the whole movie ? There's hardly a scene he's not in. This one got quotes like :
-Go back in the house old man
-yeah I blow a hole in your face and THEN I go back in the house and sleep like a baby
or
ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fucked with? *spits* That's me.
That's no Crash 2, that's Geriatric Dirty Harry or something
I enjoyed this a lot.
I had trouble with Walt's relationship to Tao. Even after spending a considerable amount of time developing it, practically a third of the movie, it still felt forced.
It is still very watchable, though. Easily Eastwood's most entertaining film in quite some time. It trips over itself a bit, becoming too weighty, at times, but never becomes a Crash-level sermon on race relations. Though, as previous posters have stated, it is a bit guilty of race theatrics - though that never kept me from being engrossed.
Throughout the film, however, I just kept thinking how fucking great it would have been had Samuel Fuller been alive to direct it. That hypothetical film would have been fucking amazing.
Also... the title, in retrospect, actually seems a bit too serious to me. Obviously "The Enforcer" was already taken... but it would have really benefited from something similarly direct and a bit exploitative.
"The Avenger" maybe? "Old Fashioned Justice"?... I don't know, I'll work on it.
Samuel Fuller ? Never heard of him but if you think he'd be great at stuff like this I'd like to have suggestions of his best movies. I know Big Red One but I've never seen it, any other ?
check this:
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i'd recommend: Pickup on South Street, White Dog, Shock Corridor.
forty guns
My personal fav. is The Naked kiss
You could go with any of these suggestions and not be incorrect. Fuller's filmography is a real treasure chest for the uninitiated. So watch any of all of them films either listed here or otherwise.
Personal suggestion to following the Gran Torino association: The Steel Helmet and White Dog.
Spoilers
It's a really good film.
Like many other people, I've grown up watching Clint Eastwood films. His star was more than a recognizable moniker, it was an existence of its own. Like John Wayne, the man couldn't be separated from his star persona. The more interesting thing over the years is that Eastwood was more in control of his films and was making films that were more self conscious of his persona's shortcomings. The last few films of Wayne's were decent attempts to evolve the character, but Eastwood has almost literally dedicated his last 20 years to giving character definition to his age old character.
Million Dollar Baby felt like the purposeful final film for Eastwood's tough guy persona. The film was shockingly simplistic in every form. It seemed like Eastwood was trying to reduce his persona to its essence. He even brought along his favorite costar, Morgan Freeman, along for the ride so the film would be familiar to fans of his. The film failed for me because it tried to interject lame political overtones into the story. The film shouldn't have been a set up to Swank's tragedy, but something that resonated more with the simplicity of the characters. The political injection just turned the film into 1940s housewife soap opera.
Gran Tarino is Eastwood's second and better attempt at everything Eastwood intended in Million Dollar Baby. His character in the film is instantly recognizable and doesn't need introduction to the Eastwood filmography. He is a variation of every major character he has ever played. Friends of mine are demoting the film because the story and characterization feels so worn to the Eastwood history, but that's the point. The film follows numerous cliches, but does all of them in such an underhanded way. Then the final scenes shows a true miracle because a true to form violent moment could have happened but doesn't. The end is Eastwood's redemption and comment about his place in this new world of violence. It feels like he is saying he doesn't even recognize himself anymore in todays film violence.
The simplicity and assurance of everything Eastwood does in this film is the reward. I watched this film and laughed at all the jokes that brought me back to old films of his and smiled at the small moments of growth Eastwood showed in his character's evolution. Nothing about the story was forced. There were numerous chances for the film to go off the deep end into ridiculousness, but it always settled for answers that were objective of the characters Eastwood truly cared for.
The film isn't the casting of new granite into the world of film art, but it's the final best walk for a major star. Considering Paul Newman ended his career with less resolution and a few murky roles here and there that weren't familiar to his fans, I'm glad Eastwood at least gave the world Gran Tarino.
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on January 14, 2009, 12:02:58 AM
It's a really good film.
it's not a really good film. its mediocre at best. you should take a note from these friends of yours cos the story is undoubtedly a tired one especially for him and he's done it much better in previous films.
i grew up watching Eastwood's movies too and this one does have its kickass Clint moments, but the script is so uninspired and the acting is atrocious by pretty much everyone in it but him. seriously, The Gold Trumpet, you pick a part movies like The Dark Knight & There Will Be Blood but not a movie that is filled w/scenes that are nearly impossible to watch due to the embarrassing performances and lame dialogue.
i'll give you the ending, i guess, but on your repeat viewing forget about his old movies and supposed character growth in this one and you will realize how much of a flawed film you are watching and you'll be like
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on July 23, 2008, 12:30:08 PM
I was wrong.
Yeah, it's ridic but totally entertaining. Not a great film by a long shot though. The best part was the racial slurs.
the most amazing thing is that those two kids must have been the best of all the actors that auditioned. imagine how bad the actors that didn't get the parts were. when the brother is locked downstairs yelling at clint, the entire audience laughed. some of the worst acting i've ever seen in a major movie.
Quote from: modage on January 15, 2009, 03:02:02 PM
The best part was the racial slurs.
midway through i was convinced that it was the best comedy of the year. then teh funnay stopped and i realized it was suppoed to be serious. oh well, at least it was half of a good comedy.
Feel good comedy of the year.
Quote from: Pozer on January 15, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
it's not a really good film. its mediocre at best. you should take a note from these friends of yours cos the story is undoubtedly a tired one especially for him and he's done it much better in previous films.
I always dislike this this tone of arguing on here. According to you, all that matters is that I am wrong and you're right and the context of your review is adding on to how wrong I am. Thanks for the personal comment about my friends. Totally unnecessary, but keeps in tone with your attack being more personal.
Not even I think anyone is just "wrong" for their opinions. There is no right and wrong in the world of what you think about films. To think there is a form or arrogance.
Quote from: Pozer on January 15, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
i grew up watching Eastwood's movies too and this one does have its kickass Clint moments, but the script is so uninspired and the acting is atrocious by pretty much everyone in it but him. seriously, The Gold Trumpet, you pick a part movies like The Dark Knight & There Will Be Blood but not a movie that is filled w/scenes that are nearly impossible to watch due to the embarrassing performances and lame dialogue.
You do put a small legitimate form of contention here. Yes, I did put There Will be Blood and The Dark Knight on different levels of criticism. I was much more thorough in examining their structures and finding fault, but I think it was appropriate. Gran Tarino doesn't have the same ambition that those films have. It's dramatic, yes, but it's also a Clint Eastwood vehicle.
Over the years the films Clint has made many films for himself to star in that haven't been technically excellent at all. My enjoyment of his films may be personal and cloud my critical eye, but none of his his films have ever struck me as ambitious either. They don't yearn for the same critical consideration that the two films you mentioned wanted. Unforgiven reaped awards and what not, but it was an exception. The standard Eastwood starring vehicle was epitomized by movies like Heartbreak Ridge and what not. If you look at his filmography and films he starred in, produced and directed you see a lot of vehicle projects that aren't of the highest order anyways.
I liked Gran Tarino in this vein of thought. Maybe I liked it as much as anyone could have, but I still kept my sum up sentence to saying it was just "really good". I may have been a little boisterous about the film, but I relatively kept my praise in check. If I made a top ten list I doubt the film would make it. The review was more about personal feelings.
maybe just say "i really liked it" instead of "it's a really good film"?
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet on January 15, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
I enjoy being contrarian.
yep.
Quote from: modage on January 15, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
maybe just say "i really liked it" instead of "it's a really good film"?
I don't think I need to. If all I said for every review was just really "good" or "bad" film, then yes, saying I "really liked this" would be better because my opinion would need the appropriate context. But for Gran Tarino I gave a longer review and while I did gush over the film, I kept my thoughts understandable to the place of the film.
....................................
I do admit I enjoy being the contrarian, but the only review I looked at for this film on here was the one by John so I thought my review was more of an agreement with others. I had no clue it was being spit on the way it is so being a contrarian had no sway here.
And while I just admitted I do enjoy being a contrarian, I have to further say it's never been my reason for ever liking or disliking an individual film/filmmaker.
Clint Eastwood makes novice teen actor's day
ROBBINSDALE, Minn. - After winning out over 2,000 aspiring young actors to make his movie debut opposite Clint Eastwood , Bee Vang might ask himself: Do you feel lucky, punk?
Vang, 17, grew up watching Eastwood in Westerns and as Dirty Harry . Now he's part of " Gran Torino ," which pulled in $29 million last weekend and gave Eastwood the best movie opening of his career.
"I thought this was life-changing," Vang recalls about learning he had been cast as Thao, the Hmong neighbor who leads Eastwood's crusty, bigoted, retired Ford worker, Walt Kowalski, on a journey of redemption in "Gran Torino."
Vang's parents were born in Laos, then moved to Thailand before emigrating to the U.S. about 1987. He was born in Fresno, Calif., and moved with his family (he has four brothers and a sister) to Minneapolis two or three years later. He had never acted before but says he decided "on a lark" to audition for "Gran Torino."
"It wouldn't hurt to give it a try," Vang remembers thinking. A week before shooting began in Detroit last summer, Vang learned he had won the role. He says he learned later he was chosen for his innocent looks and slight build. (The movie originally was set in St. Paul by screenwriter Nick Schenk, but was relocated to Detroit to take advantage of Michigan's higher tax incentive for movies.)
Working with the 78-year-old Eastwood, who also directed and produced "Gran Torino," was "kind of scary" at first for Vang, who was 16 at the time. But Eastwood was a patient teacher with a low-key approach to directing.
"He doesn't ever say 'action' when we start filming," Vang said.
In "Gran Torino," Vang's weak-willed character is intimidated by a Hmong gang into trying to steal Kowalski's mint-condition Ford Gran Torino . When Thao is exposed as the would-be thief, his mother sends him to work for Kowalski as restitution. Recently widowed and plagued by his memories of the Korean War , Kowalski softens in his feelings toward the family and tries to save Thao and his sister, Sue, from the gang.
Vang says Eastwood encouraged ad-libbing among the Hmong actors, who were largely inexperienced. And he says the movie is generally accurate in its portrayal of Hmong , a highlands people who fought for the U.S. during the Vietnam War and later emigrated from Southeast Asia and settled in Minnesota, Wisconsin and California.
"This film is not a documentary. We can't expect 101 percent correctness," Vang said.
John Carroll Lynch , a 20-year veteran actor who plays Kowalski's barber in "Gran Torino," says he was impressed by Vang. In one funny scene, Kowalski and his barber demonstrate to Thao how guys are supposed to talk to each other.
"Playing opposite the biggest movie star in the past 50 years — that'd be fun," Lynch said. "Talk about intimidating. That must have been crazy. And I think he (Vang) did a great job."
Vang, a high school junior, is looking at studying pre-med but his experience on "Gran Torino" has him thinking about acting and films.
just saw this. i enjoyed it despite all its flaws... don't believe i've ever seen poorer acting in a mainstream hollywood film. (clint excluded)
that's all i have to say about it except this:
this is the best review i've ever read about a film, since... well... maybe ever.
Quote from: Stefen on December 15, 2008, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: squints on October 24, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
is this a comedy?
Yes. And a damn good one at that.
Clint plays a guy named Walt Kowlaski. A red, white and blue blooded patriotic American who fought in the Korean war and thus, is a big time racist. But underneath that tough man facade, he's got a heart of gold (obviously). It's also obvious he fought in the Korean war because anytime any of the Koreans from the neighborhood try and have any contact with him he reminds them that, "In Korea, I had your kind stacked 10 high!"
About the only time he leaves his porch is when he runs out of Pabst Blue Ribbon. One hilarious scene has him going over to his neighbors since they're having a family get together and have lots of beer. At one point he finds himself at a table surrounded by older Korean women feeding him tons of food, which elicits a response of something like (paraphrasing) "If I knew you Gooks cooked like this, I'd be alot nicer to you!"
HILARIOUS.
Some other comedic highlights for me was how the minorities around his neighborhood not only don't get offended by his racism, but they almost take it as a term of endearment.
Case in point: Walt saves his next door neighbor, some 13 or 14 year old kid from his cousins Korean street gang trying to openly recruit him (yes, in this movie, gangs openly recruit for new members) by pointing a gun at them and telling them, "GET OF MY LAWN!" of course they oblige because Korean street gangs are all talk. Anyways, he's now the hero of the neighborhood and all the Koreans bring him flowers and food to which he accepts by saying, "You damn gooks! Just leave me alone! Oh, is that apple pie? Okay, put it on the table you fucking chink."
His racist outbursts are usually met from his neighbors with a, "Oh, Walt. You're so silly! hehe."
HILARIOUS.
The gangs are probably the funniest part. They're a mix between every gang banging Asian stereotype, and the Puerto Ricans in West-Side Story. They snap, but they don't dance. Also, they carry switchblades, but they think they're black so every word out of their mouth is something they heard in a rap song. Some of them have ponytails.
Gotta hand it to the screenwriter. Some of the racial slurs he came up with are sure to enter into my everyday lexicon of verbal ammo anytime I get cut off by an Asian driver.
I watched it for about an hour and fifteen minutes before I realized it wasn't a comedy. I'm sure by the end Walt's had a change of heart and some kind of redemption. You could see it coming from a mile away.
this movie is RIDICULOUS. it's like karate kid where nobody knew karate.
Well, to be fair, 'The Karate Kid' was kind of ridiculous, especially after the Kid turned into a girl Kid.
Meatheads love this movie. It's the new American History X where they get to love a movie that speaks to their own racism because it has a moral at the end.
Quote from: Stefen on February 01, 2009, 01:42:34 AM
Meatheads love this movie. It's the new American History X where they get to love a movie that speaks to their own racism because it has a moral at the end.
Probably why I liked it.
lol. But your head isn't full of meat. It's full of cheese.
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the people who sat next to me were just so psyched that he was chewing tobacco and drinking pbr. 'dude, that's so fucking nasty, this movie is so fucking sick.'
Does anyone else feel like Clint is making films to sort of atone for the themes of his previous work?
Quote from: Stefen on February 01, 2009, 01:56:31 AM
lol. But your head isn't full of meat. It's full of cheese.
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Amen. You can't go wrong when digging cheese. To illustrate gold and green blood, my dad was watching a sports show recently and was pissed off when he saw a rapper go on to debate a writer about sports. He just dislikes it when celebs try to talk sports. He especially dislikes it when it's trendy ones. It was funny because it really annoyed him but then he found out that the rapper in question was a huge Green Bay Packers fan so my dad immediately perked up and had a smile across his face.
Quote from: private witt on February 01, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Does anyone else feel like Clint is making films to sort of atone for the themes of his previous work?
Of course, his films for the last 20 years have dealt with roles that were reminscient of the roles in the 60s and 70s that made him famous, but each role has been it's own comment on the racism, prejudices, insecurities and limitations of those old roles he played. He's his own John Wayne and has made a career out of playing roles that were akin to him and only him. He became so famous for them that Clint Eastwood the actor became Clint Eastwood the icon. He hasn't done a role for another director since 1994 and is very protective about his persona in movie roles.
Even when he was young and had all the chance in the world to make movies against typecast, he still predominanetly made Westerns and action films. High Plains Drifter (1973) was almost a direct continuation of his Man With No Name character, but the point is he very rarely went against his established norm. Sometimes he did, but it never became a trend.
Quote from: GT on February 01, 2009, 02:03:04 AM
To illustrate gold and green blood, my dad was watching a sports show recently and was pissed off when he saw a rapper go on to debate a writer about sports. He just dislikes it when celebs try to talk sports. He especially dislikes it when it's trendy ones. It was funny because it really annoyed him but then he found out that the rapper in question was a huge Green Bay Packers fan so my dad immediately perked up and had a smile across his face.
was it lil wayne? cos i was watching first and ten when he was arguing with skip bayless.. it was too perfect. dude's got to cover all the areas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25fW-04fjoI).
Quote from: JG on February 01, 2009, 02:09:56 AM
was it lil wayne? cos i was watching first and ten when he was arguing with skip bayless and it was too perfect. dude's got to cover all the areas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akB8gfCMTDg).
Yea, it was. Good call.
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Clint Eastwood is....JOHN MCCAIN!
I agree with Stefen because I was laughing my ass off until 3/4 of the movie. If this wasn't funny it would have been impossible to watch, but Clint Eastwood is the man and his expression of disgust throughout the movie is just too good. I remembered of Karate Kid as well, but of course with no Karate and with a kid that was even more of a pussy than Daniel San. I was hoping there would be a bit of action involving the Gran Torino, but the stupid car is just sitting there the whole movie. Oh well.
I think the transition the film makes from being a comedy to a drama is accomplished smoothly, and only some master like Eastwood can do it. It also takes a master to take this kind of cliched predictable material and make it work like he does here. And acting in it too.
I found the acting to be OK. Eastwood of course is great, and the rest is just OK. I think that if people in the audience laughs when Thao screams at Eastwood near the end is not because of bad acting but because of good acting. He seems awkward just the way a guy like that would seem awkward yelling like that, probably for the first time in his life. I felt that worked.
I think is not unexpected that the big audience found this fantastic and made this a hit. I mean this thing just works like a clock and it has absolutely not one element of rebellion or artsy stuff to be a downer for the average joe. It's not ambitious at all and that's the charm of it. I mean The Changelling is an ambitious film and Eastwood shows there what he's capable of in those terms. Gran Torino is meant to be a sentimental old hollywoood entertaining Clint Eastwood vehicle, a swan song to the guy and all. However, it is true that for us cinephiles the real meat of the film is the exploration Eastwood makes of his own screen persona, his way of making it evolve through the years and his way of "ending it" with this particular story and in this particular way. GT summed it up pretty well basically.
Personally I'm just amazed at the way Clint keeps hitting great movies out of the park year after year at such an old age, he just gets better and better. It was a sweet, funny and ultimately moving film.
Good review.
You didn't find it unintentionally hilarious? That's the way I saw it. The parts that were supposed to not be funny, I found funny. I mean, those gangbangers are so non-threatening that it's hard to be intimidated by them.
Quote from: Stefen on July 08, 2009, 12:14:37 PM
Good review.
You didn't find it unintentionally hilarious? That's the way I saw it. The parts that were supposed to not be funny, I found funny. I mean, those gangbangers are so non-threatening that it's hard to be intimidated by them.
I think you are supposed to see the gangbangers as Walt Kowalski sees them, which is as ridiculous and non threatening, until of course, they do something that changes that perception and become a real danger, and even then he seems to think they're still just a bunch of pussies with guns...
Quote from: Alexandro on July 08, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: Stefen on July 08, 2009, 12:14:37 PM
Good review.
You didn't find it unintentionally hilarious? That's the way I saw it. The parts that were supposed to not be funny, I found funny. I mean, those gangbangers are so non-threatening that it's hard to be intimidated by them.
I think you are supposed to see the gangbangers as Walt Kowalski sees them, which is as ridiculous and non threatening, until of course, they do something that changes that perception and become a real danger, and even then he seems to think they're still just a bunch of pussies with guns...
That's how I saw them. I recently saw this today. If anyone else have played Walt I think he would have probably be turned into a characterichure (damn my spelling), but with Clint you didn't completely hate him in the beginning. There was a progression that felt natural and honest unlike other films of this particular ilk.
Curmudgeon as anti-hero-hero. This was a brilliant, brilliant film. Very sympathetic and well-made. Made me feel like less of a man.
Haha, well my manhood is a genuine barrel of laughs. Take that as you will.