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Trailer here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/doubt/)
Release Date: December 12th, 2008 (limited)
Starring: Meryl Streep, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Amy Adams, Viola Davis
Directed by: John Patrick Shanley (Joe Versus The Volcano)
Premise: A nun confronts a priest after suspecting him of abusing a black student.
I got a chill when I watched that trailer.
Very pleased to see Shanley directing again.
Even if, as a writer, a lot of the projects he's been attached to have wound up (relatively) inconsequential, Joe Vs. The Volcano really established him as a director I've had great interest in.
Very exciting.
My only complaint is that this trailer seems to progress the plot further than I need to know. I was already hooked halfway in.
Shanley, assured
But first he had to overcome 'Doubt' as he adapted and directed the play for film.
By John Horn; Los Angeles Times
John Patrick Shanley is rarely at a loss for high-quality words. ¶ His script for 1987's "Moonstruck" won the original screenplay Oscar, 2002's television movie "Live From Baghdad" brought him a shared Emmy nomination, and his 2004 play "Doubt: A Parable" captured the Tony and the Pulitzer for drama. ¶ Shanley's tougher test has been crafting equally compelling visuals to accompany his prose. ¶ The 58-year-old Shanley struggled with that transformation the last time he stepped behind the cameras -- almost two decades ago, with the contentious production of 1990's "Joe Versus the Volcano." So when he sat down to adapt "Doubt," opening Dec. 12, Shanley looked for any number of ways to fill his highly contained four-character play with new energy and nuance -- a quest that not only led him back to his childhood, from which the play sprung, but also to rely on "every trick" in the book to keep audiences engaged. ¶ "When plays are turned into films, people stop listening," Shanley says of the disconnect in dialogue-heavy movies. "This was the hardest script I ever wrote." ¶ Theatergoers will remember "Doubt's" narrative, which unfolds in 1964. Sister Aloysius Beauvier (played in the film by Meryl Streep), the exacting, traditionalist principal of a New York parochial school, believes the charismatic, progressive priest Father Brendan Flynn (Philip Seymour Hoffman) may have an inappropriate relationship with Donald, one of the school's young boys. ¶ As part of her campaign to drive out the priest, Sister Aloysius attempts to enlist the boy's reluctant mother (Viola Davis) and the skeptical young nun Sister James (Amy Adams). ¶ The priest insists Sister Aloysius is on a witch hunt, but Shanley is less interested in who is -- or is not -- in the right. Instead, his play, like the movie, is focused on larger themes of confrontation and judgment, how meaningful deliberation has been trumped by argumentative, know-it-all declarations.
"Doubt," in other words, is not so much about Catholic Church abuse scandals as it is about Nancy Grace and all of her judge-jury-executioner talk-show brethren. "We've got to learn to live with a full measure of uncertainty," Shanley writes in the preface to his play. "There is no last word."
Uncertainty is not inherently dramatic, of course, so Shanley looked for all possible opportunities to make his film kinetic. "Everything," Shanley says, "has to mean something."
The play opens with Father Flynn preaching about faith. The same sermon launches the movie, yet we simultaneously see Sister Aloysius patrolling the nave like a bomb-sniffing dog. "We have to introduce her so that we know it's a duel," Shanley says over lunch, "and give equal weight to her existence -- to her as a character."
While Shanley added some characters to the movie, the most tangible addition is the Bronx, where Shanley grew up. Shanley filmed in a number of neighborhoods and locations from his youth, including an establishing shot (the local bishop wouldn't grant permission to film inside) of St. Anthony's school, where Shanley was kicked out of its hot lunch program for food fights.
"This is very personal. This is my childhood," Shanley says, adding that the sexual abuse accusation in the story is not autobiographical. "I remember every single person from my eighth-grade class," Shanley says. (Sister James was based on Shanley's second-grade teacher, Sister Margaret McEntee, who was a technical advisor on the film.) Michael Roukis was cast as the rebellious student William London because he reminded Shanley of classmate Tommy Diehl.
Shanley's special connection to the story also explains why he wanted to direct "Doubt" after suffering through the making of "Joe Versus the Volcano" 18 years earlier. He wasn't in any hurry to return to Hollywood and has directed any number of his own plays for the stage. Producer Scott Rudin says Shanley never plotted his career with the intention of becoming a film director. "He goes after what interests him," Rudin says.
"That shoot was a fight," Shanley says of "Volcano," the romance that starred Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. "I threatened to quit two or three times. I was in constant war with Warner Bros. I took a lot of [grief] over 'Joe' from certain quarters. And I wanted to show that I actually could put something up on screen. I just knew that 'Doubt' was a challenge that I couldn't pass up."
To do so, however, meant leaving part of the play behind. The prize-winning staging starred Cherry Jones as Sister Aloysius, Brían F. O'Byrne as Father Flynn, Adriane Lenox as Mrs. Muller and Heather Goldenhersh as Sister James. Shanley toyed with recasting Lenox as the boy's mother but realized it would be better to start fresh with all new actors.
"He was interested in reinvestigating the material," says Rudin, a producer of both the play and the movie. "I can't take credit for Doug Hughes' work," Shanley says of the play's director. "He directed a play and he directed them brilliantly." To make the movie with the same cast, Shanley says, "was something weird."
Shanley looked for telling details and visual cues to underscore how the competing characters see the world. Sister Aloysius, who rejects ballpoint pens and sugar, is trying to keep the future at bay. Sister James is more open to new ideas. "Sister Aloysius definitely believes in the existence of evil," Shanley says. "And Sister James does not."
If the movie is to succeed as well as the play, Shanley knows audiences must leave the theater unsure about which character -- if any -- is the most virtuous. So as he added new scenes, he labored to make sure they didn't tip the scales. Father Flynn is seen avoiding Donald in the hallway (a scene mentioned but not shown in the play) and then helping pick up Donald's books and comforting him when a bully runs into him (which isn't in the play at all). "You do see that the accusation is affecting his ability to function," Shanley says of the pressure on the priest, "but you also see that his sense of compassion is stronger than his sense of fear."
Those scenes illustrate how Shanley has made his movie of "Doubt" less of a point-counterpoint debate and, as Rudin says, "a much, much more nuanced" drama about the nature of character and appearances.
"Really, what 'Doubt' is about is change, and the cost of change," Shanley says. "At the end of the story, everybody has paid a price for change. . . . This isn't about whether this guy is guilty or innocent. We're a verdict society. But what I find satisfying is when people start questioning themselves."
oh, i saw this preview last month when i went to see slumdog millionaire. i can't wait for this one. meryl streep looks like SUCH a CUNT!
We don't see enough of Viola Davis. I've been a fan of hers since Solaris.
I usually hate when a film is adapted from a play and you can tell that it would have worked better as a play. The film could've benefited from showing more of the supporting characters, the other nuns, the parents, and certainly the children and while I loved the specifics of the period setting, unfortunately the film rarely leaves the church. Despite all this, the film fares pretty well as an actors showcase despite the limitations of the setting.
Quote from: Stefen on December 02, 2008, 08:15:36 PM
We don't see enough of Viola Davis. I've been a fan of hers since Solaris.
From what I hear she's almost a lock for an Oscar nom even though she's only in one scene.
I couldn't really focus on Viola's scene with the snot continually running out of her nose (she actually licks up snot from her lip? The tissue came out a little too late for me), but besides that, I'm really not getting the hype about her performance in this film? She was fine, but hardly deserves an Oscar nod for it.
I agree wholeheartledley legion even though I was mezmorized by everything in this film. Great powerouse performances. I was on the fence throughout the film on the issue regarding Hoffman's character the whole time, honestly I can't get angry at Hoffman at all, whatsoever.
Quote from: modage on December 09, 2008, 11:36:32 AM
while I loved the specifics of the period setting, unfortunately the film rarely leaves the church. Despite all this, the film fares pretty well as an actors showcase despite the limitations of the setting.
I actually appreciated the narrow scope and brevity of the film. I agree I would've liked to have seen a little more of the church and such, but I loved it as the bare bones space for the actors. Amy Adams is absolutely brilliant, if a little typecast, and this is my favorite PSH performance in probably two years. Streep's awesome, and Davis is as good as people say. That shit she has to convey is so fucking complicated, but it comes across completely.
Oh and I almost forgot, the first thing I said about the movie was that Shanley might've gone to film school, but he only took the class on canted angles. Good thing Deakins was there.
Maybe a bit slow in getting started, but once the issue of the film is discussed, in one hell of a accusation scene where the tables become turned, or rather, they turn 'round the table, it's an engrossing display of top drawer performances and crafty dialogue.
i thought this was freaking great and i agree viola is overrated, but everyone else, even that old woman from ace ventura, was fantastic. there are so. many. moments where you don't know what to believe and can be construed either way. even the glint in hoffman's eyes. is that a glint of guilt??? or is it a glint of amazement at how far meryl is willing to go on a hunch???? and that's the beauty of it. it's a true stalemate. bravo.
ps. nearly every dutch angle was totally uncalled for/a mistake, but otherwise it was visually very effective and pretty.
Haha, you call her the Ace Ventura lady, I call her the Ghostbusters lady. And strangely, the second film from last year with PSH (Synecdoche is the other).
Wow this was great. I have no idea why it's not getting more attention. It's a refreshingly simple, expertly written, totally gripping film that's surprisingly funny (at times anyway). And the acting, well, I don't think you can find better performances in a movie from 2008 than in this one. Viola is
not overrated. Woman had me in tears in the span of a few seconds. I want Meryl to play more villains b/c she is so great at them.
To anyone who doesn't already listen to Creative Screenwriting Magazine's weekly podcast, I highly suggest you subscribe immediately, and after you do check out the John Patrick Shanley podcast. The man is hysterical and very insightful.
Quote from: picolas on January 21, 2009, 10:37:40 PMps. nearly every dutch angle was totally uncalled for/a mistake, but otherwise it was visually very effective and pretty.
hahah why do you hate dutch angles so much?
Quote from: ©brad on February 13, 2009, 05:17:20 PM
oh you're kidding. you're so naive. let it sit for a while. think about what you saw.
Quote from: ©brad on February 13, 2009, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: picolas on January 21, 2009, 10:37:40 PMps. nearly every dutch angle was totally uncalled for/a mistake, but otherwise it was visually very effective and pretty.
hahah why do you hate dutch angles so much?
it began with the trailer for fay grim... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDi-a-MYp3Q)
nah i just think they're misused most of the time. especially here. the tension was so naturally thick. don't cheapen it with an obvious dutching.
This was amazing. Bumped The Wrestler to number three on my list right after Let The Right One In.
It was an acting clinic by all involved. I've always felt Meryl Streep was overrated and these days, got by on reputation more than anything but she's powerful in this. If she beat Kate, I wouldn't have been mad. Her performance was really my favorite. Normally in characters like hers, you end up HATING the character, but this wasn't the case with Sister Aloysius. At least not for me.
I think the person who was hurt most by everything was Donald Miller who incidentally was the one perosn Sister Aloysius was trying to help. Father Flynn was the only father figure Donald had in his life. Personally, I don't think Father Flynn did anything wrong but I could be wrong and that's what makes the film so great. Did he or didn't he? That's up to each individual.
Sister Aloysius had it out for Father Flynn since the beginning. She was old school -- she didn't like Father Flynn for being modern. Everything from the sugar in his tea to the ball point pen he used to write, she despised. She saw what she wanted to see. Was Sister Aloysius really someone who cared about these children or was she just out to get Father Flynn because of the way he did things, which she disapproved of? She made numerous remarks about how the world around her was changing, and not for the better. She wasn't a fan of the culture during the 60's while Father Flynn most likely either was, or was indifferent to it all.
As for Sister James, I can't tell if she's just really naive or really compassionate. Maybe a little of both.
I agree with everyone that Viola Davis is overrated here. Not because she wasn't good, because she most certainly was -- but because she had so little screen time, the accolades that came her way were a bit undeserved.
It should have gotten a nomination for best pic. It was better than most all the other films nominated.
Overall, I rate it a 9.1/10.
Quote from: Stefen on February 27, 2009, 09:33:41 PM
This was amazing. Bumped The Wrestler to number two on my list right after Let The Right One In.
i'm confused. so let the right one in is 3 or 2? glad you loved it. another overlooked movie from the great 2008.
oops. I meant bumped The Wrestler to number three.