have any of you seen any films of the Cremaster Cycle by Mathew Barney? His newest film premeired at Sundance this year. Its not everyones cup of tea, but if you enjoy strange films, try to download the trailer . i think you can find it at www.cremaster.org or www.thecremaster cycle.org -- Download the trailer for CREMASTER 3 -- that is his newest -- its really interesting -- you wont be disapointed. let me know what you think of the trailer. it's playing in limited release as of now. He is the youngest filmmaker to have his work displayed at the Gugenheim in New York.
links no work :(
I FUCKED THE LINKS UP. go to: www.cremaster.net. Once you're in the site go to CHAPTER 3 and download the trailer. let me know what you think. it seems pretty interesting,
I've been wanting to see these for a long time. Supposedly Cremaster 3 is getting released soon...and then maybe they'll put them all out on DVD or something. I saw an exhibit of art from the film last time I was at the Guggenheim; it looks gorgeous.
yea i saw it at sundance -- it is some of the most gorgeous cinematography i've ever seen. its playing here in chicago right now. the word on the street is that Palm Pictures is releasing the whole CREMASTER CYCLE in a box set dvd.
I just watched the trailer for the first time; wow, that looks truly amazing. Even better, the website says the whole cycle will be playing in Dallas in June. Huzzah!
I know that Cremaster 3 was shot in Hi-Def; it looks fantastic.
I was misreading it for a while and I thought it said the Creamster Cycle and I'm like, "where's the goddamn man on this one?"
Quote from: bonanzatazI was misreading it for a while and I thought it said the Creamster Cycle and I'm like, "where's the goddamn man on this one?"
the cremaster is actually the muscle that raises and lowers your testicles.
I know this has been playing very selectively, but anyone know if this is coming to DVD?
Quote from: Satcho9I know this has been playing very selectively, but anyone know if this is coming to DVD?
Palm Pictures is releasing a 5 disc box set of the whole cremaster cycle.
Cool cool. Any idea when?
im not sure -- probably after cremaster 3 gets out of the theaters.
9/16/03 it says on the Palm Pictures website...
i'm really glad to hear this. the only viewings of matthew barney work i've been able to gather is his large book that's an overview of the cremaster cycle.. althoguh im really surprised to hear cremaster 3 screened at sundance... it seems his work has only been available to the art collectors with $$$'s to burn..
why doesn't Björk have Matthew direct her videos?!? .. why doesnt Matthew have Björk pose for his art?>! ..they are very close couples!
i've only seen the first one.
im actually impressed that this is getting mentioned here.
did anyone get to the barney gugenheim exhibit?
i can't wait to get ahold of the rest of the series, but im sure ordering them from the gallery is expensive as hell.
Quote from: manvstreesi've only seen the first one.
im actually impressed that this is getting mentioned here.
did anyone get to the barney gugenheim exhibit?
i can't wait to get ahold of the rest of the series, but im sure ordering them from the gallery is expensive as hell.
i saw his exibit at the gugenheim a couple months ago -- very impressive.
Quote from: GhostboyI just watched the trailer for the first time; wow, that looks truly amazing. Even better, the website says the whole cycle will be playing in Dallas in June. Huzzah!
I know that Cremaster 3 was shot in Hi-Def; it looks fantastic.
The whole cycle hits Seattle in July. I'll be there. I saw a couple of them at the Portland Art Museum a couple of years ago... I believe it was
Cremaster 2. Whichever; it puts the Gary Gilmore mystique and the resemblance of electric guitar roar to the swarm-buzzing of bees to excellent effect. I can't wait to experience the whole series.
On the gossip side: Didn't he and Bjork just have a baby recently?
Lucky guy! The youngest guy to ever have an exhibit in the Guggenheim, an auteur who can make whatever he wants without any worry about financial performance, and to top it all off, he also gets to have a relationship with Bjork.
I just saw 1,2,4 and 5 this past week. When I first heard about these films I really wanted to like it. Anybody else have this problem? You love film, and this is one of those only-a-real-film-as-art-kind-of-fan-would-like-this-film kind of films, so you really want to like it. It almost ruins your chance of being objective about a film. Well anyway, I went into this film determined to be objective, determined to be critical.
All of them make excellent use of imagery and symbolism. I read somewhere that Barney got into film just as a means to record his performance art. The first two Cremaster films really reflect this (4 and 1, going chronologically here). Which is probably why i wasn't terribly engaged by these two. While the imagery is intellectually intriguiging, and visually very beautiful, the camera work was very, very basic. By 5 and 2, however, Barney's camera became part of the art. I was absolutely blown away by 2. It was wonderful. 5 was also tremendous. You can tell that Barney started to focus on not only how the content would effect the audience, but also how the film itself, shot to shot, not just action to action, would work.
Unfortunately I didn't get to see 3 yet. But if Barney's trend of improvement from the first film in The Cycle to the latest continues, well, I'm definitely looking forward to three hours of a film with little dialogue, no distinguishable story line, about testicles, that only a person who loves film would like. Wow, that makes no sense. :-D
Quote from: godardianOn the gossip side: Didn't he and Bjork just have a baby recently?
:shock:
well, if this dude's with bjork, i guess i gotta go see these films now.
I finally saw Cremaster 3. It's quite impressive...although definitely not for the un-adventurous. Three hours of seemingly incomprehensible plot and no dialogue -- but the visuals are quite stunning, and once you get used to the flow of things, the story starts to emerge. Sort of. I know the budget of this was less than five million...every dollar is up there on screen. The Hi-Def photography is rich and textured...although it suffers from underlighting and shallow focus now and then (A problem when transferring HD to 35mm, and Barney has said the films are best when projected digitally). Those exteriors of the Chrysler building are just jaw-dropping. The opening sequence with the dead girl climbing from the dirt was very eerily beautiful (actually, that would describe the whole movie), and the scene in the dentist's chair...well, it makes you cringe in an entirely unexpected way. And the scene in the bar had a great sense of offbeat slapstick to it...sort of as if Jaccques Tati had played the bartended in The Shining.
The sound was interesting. Sometimes annoying, although very effectively so. It puts you on edge in all the right ways. The celtic music was a perfect touch, especially when the old man plays that elevator harp and begins to sing.
I need to touch up on my Freemason history.
For all of you fans who had the pleasure of viewing the Cremaster Series it might've been a once in a lifetime opprotunity for you. From what I hear there are few prints of the movies out there and distribution is handled strictly by the Gugenhiem Museum. There will be DVD's released but the footage included is extremely abbreviated. If anyone saw the exhibit in New York and viewed Cremaster 3 they saw the 30 minute slice where Barney is climbing around the museum like a spider monkey---extremely cut from the 3 hour version that is being shown in limited theatrical release. I guess the limited number of prints are being sold for up to $500,000 by collectors/elitists---benefactors to the museum. Wide distribution means these prints lose value. So, like my dirty hippie friend told me before we went to see the series, "You better go now because chances are you'll never see this version again." He might be right...I hope not because this series would serve no good to anyone (except that top 10 percent) under lock and key. No box sets. Sorry.
I've only seen The cremaster 3 and from what i've seen so far, this episode was Empty and self-indulgent to the max.
& as the blues doc said;
conceptualism has killed that first frail blind stab of imagination from which all true creation springs; art is now about art, a stillborn conceptus.
The poet doesn't sing; he's been gagged and bound, paralyzed and drugged by a culture that has disconnected him from himself.
Shackled and in costume, he spends his time stricking poses before a mirror, hoping to find the right one, the one that might be him. This isn't even good cinema, visual fancy. It's stilted garbage,a waste of time.
ps: the cinematography was fantastic.
2/10
I saw Cremaster 3 again yesterday, and then followed it with 1 and 2. 3 was even better the second time; the details really started to emerge, and everything made sense (plus, I went with a friend who is steeped in Masonic lore and he was able to explain almost everything that seemed inexplicable). 1 was far more obvious in its symbolism, and rather cute and amusing. But 2 was just amazing -- I couldn't believe how beautiful it was. It's more accessible than 3 only than it is shorter; the story is obscure and hidden behind layers of symbolism, and yet it all makes such perfect sense at a visceral level. The cinematography and sound design is stunning (and it even has a few lines of dialogue, which almost feel out of place). I can't say I like this more than 3, but I would highly reccomend watching the two back to back if you have the chance.
I'll be seeing 4 and 5 next week. And it's true that there's no foreseeable DVD release in the future; on August 27th, 'The Order' sequence from the third film will be released, but beyond that we'll just have to make do with the massive coffee table book. It's a damn shame....I hate to think I'll never get to see these movies again.
Christ, this thing just played out in Boston and I wasn't aware what it is. I gotta read up on this shit more...
Sucks they'll never be on DVD...
aw
palm pictures is releasing it on dvd -- booya
I was looking around Palm Pictures site last night, and it does say that the Cremaster Cycle will be coming to DVD, but they don't have any details on it. Then I went to Amazon, and the only thing they have listed is The Order. I really hope they all get released eventually, but I'm kinda guessing they won't be. Especially after reading
this interview with Barney, in which he laments the availability of art and imagery.
it's truly amazing and we're very fortunate that palm pictures is releasing both DVD and VHS formats of the entire cycle. before palm pictures licensed cremaster, cremaster.net was selling VHS copies for upwards of $500. heh.
also, much respect to barney for casting AGNOSTIC FRONT AND MURPHY'S LAW in cremaster 3. i was shocked and surprised. definitely didn't expect that.
September 16th is when they're out on DVD.
I got my tics to see the films here in CO a couple days ago, so I'm really thrilled. Glad they're whoring 'em around the states.
Your assertations give me hope....where did you find that release date, Sal? I haven't been able to find any info on anything other than The Order.
Ghostboy - This cinephile I talk to at another board lives in NY, so maybe he got his information from the Guggenheim. I'll ask him specifically.
I saw 1 and 2 tonight, the latter of which I really really enjoyed. The first I couldn't really stand. Nothing I'd watch again, in other words. But the second had a lot going for it and left me very satisfied. The Gilmore sequence particularly, as well as Houdini's confrontation with Fay. I suppose it's not coincidental these were the most "cinematic" in the systems. :) More importantly though, it was very emotionally evocative, and it ran the gamut from fear to wonder to hope. And the use of sound in these are just terrific. Really inspiring, as in my previous efforts on shorts I've focused a lot of my attention on ambient sound which, while subtle, have determingly powerful impact as a whole. Sound is definitely negated in most productions. Glad to see it had such fruition here. I suppose it's only fair that it could be more outstanding since it's often more cerebral than the visuals.
I saw the last two installments last night. 4 is basically the masculine equivalent of 1. It has more going on, but it's also the most amateurish (makes sense, since it was the first one made). Like 1, the symbolism is really easy to decipher.
5 is very beautiful and very subdued. The first half of it is primarily an opera -- it reminded me slightly of the Club Silencio sequence in Mulholland Drive. Barney was still using DigiBeta when he made this one, so the images aren't as sharp as in 2 and 3, but it still has an incredibly rich tone to it (it was shot in Budpaest, which definitely adds a lot). The climactic image is a rather obvious metaphor for sexual release, but it really works -- it's one of the most striking moments in the whole series.
Watching the films in numeric sequence is interesting, because even though their production quality varies rather wildly, there is a clear sense of progression. 5 really feels like the conclusion to an epic story...its a gentle, moving ending, and when it was over I felt immensely satsified.
I saw 4 and 5 last night as well, but I liked them a great deal less than I'd hoped to. I didn't get the same sense of relief or satisfaction when they ended; instead, I was just frustrated. Even after 5. The release was fine for me, but the temperal quality of the whole thing refused me the pleasure of experiencing it. Jumping back and forth between the two key events was almost nauseating. For that I think Barney would've been more successful if he'd kept it as One Event.
Also - I'm not sure if Barney is working on strictly symbolic grounds, either. There's nothing to really evidence it. He works metaphorically, and he uses his own language through sculpture and art direction to convey information, but in no way can it be possible to break a scene down and go, okay, this is what he's saying if we replace the symbols he uses with specific things. I really like that.
Quote from: Salin no way can it be possible to break a scene down and go, okay, this is what he's saying if we replace the symbols he uses with specific things.
I think that's true to an extent. I think 1 and 4 are totally obvious, but there are still wild cards like the three fairies sitting on the roof in 4. I understood 2 for the most part, but it helped having a knowledge of Gary Gilmore going in. 3 I was able to follow, but didn't understand -- but as I said, I had a friend who knows basically everything about Masonic history, and he was able to interpret almost everything. 5 is the only one I'm in the dark about -- perhaps the ket is in the translation of the opera? Anyway, I think that the films are penetrable, but on most of them it depends on how much you know about certain things. Otherwise, it all comes off as very oblique, but the great thing is that it's still possible to follow the plot, so to speak.
I watched Eraserhead again last night, and noticed that it works the same way. It feels almost totally random in its imagery, but if you know what David Lynch's personal life was like at the time that he made it, you can apply that to the film and it all starts to come together.
http://www.davisdvd.com/News/daily_news.htm
CREMASTER 3
Palm Pictures, through Lions Gate Home Entertainment, will release The Order - From Cremaster 3 on August 26th. Part of artist Matthew Barney's five-part Cremaster Cycle series, the film is making its home video debut. The disc will feature five different camera angles, each with a different Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround audio track. Additionally, look for this release to include a 720p version of the film in Microsoft's Windows Media 9 (as is the case with this format, you'll need at least a 2.4 gigahertz Pentium 4 PC equipped with a fast video card and - naturally - Microsoft Windows Media Player 9). Retail is $29.99.
I just got this today.
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Being that it's probably the only bit of the films that I'll ever be able to own (at least until I'm rich), it's great. Unfortunately, this segment isn't really satisfying in its own right, and since the trailer for the whole series is included on the disc, it really makes you wish you were watching a boxed set of all five films. I'll probably watch the trailer more than anything else on the disc.
Barney's commentary track is, perhaps predictably, pretty bland. He mainly just explains what is happening on screen, offering a few explanations here and there to clarify the symbolism. It's a lot like Tim Burton's commentary tracks. Those reclusive introverted artists...you gotta love 'em.
If I can just get the 2nd one I will be wholy satisfied.
Cremaster is showing in san antonio this weekend. at the IMAX in 35mm...3rd was deemed too long though...so if i like the others ill buy three.
somebody go! ill be there
Sadly, I've seen only Cremaster 2 & 3, but I saw them back-to-back at the cinema, totalling five hours. So that was a complete mindfuck. Crem 2 was easier to watch for me, as it had the narrative about Gary Gilmore the murderer and Harry Houdini who was supposedly his ancestor. There was even dialogue, wow. Norman Mailer, who wrote the biography of Gary Gilmore, played the part of Houdini, wrapping the the film up nicely at the end. The soundtrack is subliminal, in keeping with the theme of transcendence in the movie.
Crem 3 was a whopper, clocking in at more than three hours. Personally, I found it the whole movie to be all about abjection and meaningless activity. The characters performed utterly precise and elaborate rituals. It was about transcending from the abject. It had some comical moments, too, like the incongruous heavy metal band rival screamfest. Not to mention the 'Order' sequence with nude women parading around a straight-faced Richard Serra. (I wonder how he takes to self-parody.)
Funny how the film almost felt like torture to watch and at the same time was absolutely arresting and mesmerising. It was an enriching experience, not only because one can unpick all the 'hidden meanings' afterward, but also because of the sheer richness of the film's imagery. I can't believe it all came out of a single person's head. I hope to catch the other three films from this Cremaster Cycle.
foray
By the way, the woman-alien figure who crawls out of the dirt at the start of Crem 3, was she an anorexic, or was that just digital manipulation? Also, I get how 'she' is supposed to be Gary Gilmore (see the GG initials on her), but I don't understand her getting into the car and getting smashed up by the others. Someone know why?
foray
I'm not quite sure about the car symbolism yet, other than that each one has the emblem of one of the five films on its bumper. The woman, though, is really that skinny. Creepy.
I wish I could go see it on IMAX this weekend...you're lucky, Pedro! I did get to go see the sculpture exhibit at the local Modern Art museum this past weekend -- they purchased one of Barney's major pieces, and it was exciting to see it up close and personal. He's going to be visiting Dallas in January for a special screening of the films, so I hope I get to meet him.
Well, it's not going to take up the whole screen, as it's 35mm, but it'd still be a little nicer than seeing it at the avreage museum.
Quote from: Ghostboy-- but as I said, I had a friend who knows basically everything about Masonic history, and he was able to interpret almost everything.
Can you share some of what he said?
QuoteAnyway, I think that the films are penetrable,
Haha
foray
seeing it tomorrow night...ill post the reviews when i get back, but im still angry i wont see cremaster 3. i hear it's the best of the series and ghostboy's review made me want to see it even more :yabbse-angry:
Oh really. But everyone I've spoken to (artists, curators, profs) about it says that Crem 2 is the best. It certainly is more cohesive and elegant than 3, I think.
foray
Holy Shit! I saw Cremaster 1 and 2 tonight...im not really sure what to think right now...i feel really confused/hypnotized/amazed...it was unlike anything ive seen before. and while it has some flaws, as an overall work, so far, the cremaster cycle is phonomenal. i can't wait to see 4 and 5 tomorrow. holy shit.
Ok this is going off a tangent, but has anyone heard the Rasputina song that makes fun of Matthew Barney, Bjork, PJ Harvey and Vincent Gallo (the song is set in a celebrity double-date)? I heard it last night and it's hilarious.
foray
Quote from: forayOk this is going off a tangent, but has anyone heard the Rasputina song that makes fun of Matthew Barney, Bjork, PJ Harvey and Vincent Gallo (the song is set in a celebrity double-date)? I heard it last night and it's hilarious.
foray
I have varied degrees of fondness for all mentioned, but I'd still like to hear the song. It sounds like it could be really funny.
saw 4 and 5 tonight. they're more accessible, but i think foray's right in saying the second is the best. i wish i had read up more on the second before seeing it though...i did for 4 and 5, and im sure they were more accessible because of it...my knowledge with the visuals would have made 2 the best by far...great to see patty griffin there though! within 30 seconds of the song i knew it was her. she has such a distinct voice.
bees kick ass
i encourage all of you to see this if you have a chance. i need to find ALL of 3 somewhere...
Well, this is what I gather from watching crem 2 & 3 (I hope to see the rest eventually!):
*spoiler (?)*
The heavy metal band Slayer (one of Barney's fave bands) scene represents Johnny Cash who spoke to Gary Gilmore, because that was GG's final wish before execution.
The two cars joined at the hip, so to speak, at the gas station, refers to how Gary Gilmore met his girlfriend. They both met a gas station and discovered that they owned the exact same kind of car. And more obviously, the scene with him waiting in the car mirrors his wait for death in prison.
This confuses things a little. Because it may be that he is in fact in prison in that scene. So when the heavy metal guy is talking to him over the phone, it really is as if Johnny Cash is speaking to GG in prison. So, the next scene where GG kills the attendant may be GG reliving his bloody deed in prison. Cash's phone call = ministerial, incitement?
Norman Mailer, who plays Houdini, hates women. I had this in mind when seeing him get indignant before the queen bee figure. It's also significant that Mailer plays the part of Houdini, GG's supposed ancestor; as it was Mailer who wrote GG's biography, making the narrative come full circle.
Often Barney's Cremaster films are tributes to big monolithic male figures in the art world. Richard Serra, of course. Norman Mailer (literary). (I'm forgetting a few more...) And Robert Smithson.
Robert Smithson built the famous and ambitious Spiral Jetty off the shore of the Great Salt Lake. It was recently exposed due to a drop in the lake's level. It resurfaces again in Cremaster 2, but as Barney's 'version' of the monument. (That's where GG rides the bull.)
Among other things, there is the theme of absorption. This is more directly explored in Houdini's remark that he becomes the cage before escaping it. A change must always occur. Similarly, the Cremaster series as a whole is about transcending one's limitations - that includes one's gender, identity, etc. Which is why GG is 'reborn' in Crem 3 as a woman. Barney is also absorbing all these male greats that came before him, but although he pays tribute to them, he is making their work his own. He Barney-fies their styles. Think of Richard Serra in Crem 3 smacking a diminutive Serra sculpture (Serra is known for monumental works) with Barney-ish vaseline. The dentist chair scene also illustrates this more explicitly, where Barney absorbs something Serra puts into his mouth, then excretes it as his own.
Any thoughts, comments?
foray
Quote from: forayThe dentist chair scene also illustrates this more explicitly, where Barney absorbs something Serra puts into his mouth, then excretes it as his own.
What a great, illuminating interpretation. I found that particular scene remarkably evocative, and I had my own quasi-Lacanian psychosexual impression of it (esp, regarding the sea monkey-looking genitalia), but your interpretation makes beautiful "sense." As an side, I would've been giving plenty of dirty looks toward the many juvenile titters at this scene had I not been so riveted by what was on the screen.
Thanks for all the other info, too.
You an art student? Or just very well-read on Barney?
Sadly, I wasn't able to see the third...but as far as what you said about 2 and gilmore, i gotcha there. i read about that all somewhere, so it adds to my appreciation of the films. but you should see 5 though, it's really something.
Quote from: godardianYou an art student? Or just very well-read on Barney?
Never read stuff on Barney. I saw the films and discussed them with friends.
foray
p/s: here is the Rasputina song: "PJ + Vincent & Matthew + Bjork "
PJ:
I'm so fucking, fucking, fucking, hot!
Vincent:
I know you are, babe.
PJ:
No, it's quite hot in here.
Vincent:
Are you stupid?
It is the nature of a glass house.
Oh fabulous, here's Matthew and Bjork.
Bjork:
Hello.
Matthew:
Vincent, Polly - So good to see you.
Bjork:
I'm so excited!
I've never been on such an artistic and exclusive double date before.
The erotic reawakening that
Matthew has brought about in me
He's opened up a lot of plebeian activities that I've not experienced before
now.
I'm loving it, to do these things that aren't necessarily elfin
Vincent:
Yea, Bjork, whatever.
I just wanna know when you two down, who's wearing the clovenhoof strap-on?
PJ:
Vincent! How rude!
Could I weigh any less?
I'm really quite shy of my weight,
but I like to take on characters for performing with the use of make-up.
Eye make-up and lipstick and some more lipstick -- it's really quite
transformative
And when I've thrown up everything I've just eaten then I feel--
Bjork:
Oh to throw up -- It means what?
Also, everybody, what is the definition of disingenuous?
I want to know so many things
I've got a lot of money for designer clothes
I can just trudge through the desert getting my comp de garçon? skirt all
dirty and dusty
It don't matter
If hopping into a live volcano feels right, I say do it.
Matthew:
I say, khaki chinos are fine with me on the downtime, but what do you kids say
to a picnic?
I've got the basket in the bently waiting
We could play some touch football, what do you say?
Vincent:
Hey, yea, Matthew, we're both hot former football players
I know Bjork can fight like a motherfucker, but Polly would snap like a twig at the smallest tackle
let's put her on a hook and do some minnow fishing
Polly?
Oh look, she's banging her head against the wall and Bjork's recording it
Bjork:
The rhythm! It moves my insides like sunshine jelly!
Matthew:
Isn't she a darling thing?
Vincent:
When she says 'jelly' it makes me think of someone's ass, and then I think--
Matthew:
How dare you, sir! That's my childwoman you're speaking of!
Vincent:
Matthew, I didn't say Bjork
I'm just thinking of any ass
Not even necessarily a woman, it could be my own ass
Like my ass is--
PJ:
Vincent you are an ass!
You are an ass!
Matthew:
What about my ass?
It's hard from sports
This repulsive celebrity double date has been brought to you by the Church of
Latter Day Saints
Quote from: foray[Vincent:
Oh look, she's banging her head against the wall and Bjork's recording it
.....
Matthew:
How dare you, sir! That's my childwoman you're speaking of!
thanks, i enjoyed that.
I'd actually like to hear it sung... which I'm sure adds another dimension. I'll look for it.
And where was Thom Yorke?? :lol:
will there ever be a box-set? i'm not buying The Order...
Quote from: chuckhimselfowill there ever be a box-set? i'm not buying The Order...
I'm reluctant to buy
The Order, as well. But if no box set appears planned within the next couple of months, I might break down and do it.
Quote from: godardianQuote from: chuckhimselfowill there ever be a box-set? i'm not buying The Order...
I'm reluctant to buy The Order, as well. But if no box set appears planned within the next couple of months, I might break down and do it.
let's hope that day never comes... The Order is sooo expensive.
where can you buy the order? -- it looks like theres a box set up @ palmpictures.com yet you can not buy it -- anyone know what the deal with this shit is?
what scares me is that The Order costs 25 bucks at amazon.com and it only has 30 minutes (or something) from the 3rd movie. Imagine how much will the boxset cost...
Quote from: chuckhimselfowhat scares me is that The Order costs 25 bucks at amazon.com and it only has 30 minutes (or something) from the 3rd movie. Imagine how much will the boxset cost...
I just really, really want it. I wonder if they'll ever actually release it... is it for real? I'll have to check out the palm pics site.
http://www.palmpictures.com/videos/thecremastercycle.html
THE CREMASTER CYCLE
Director: Matthew Barney
By Jorg Koch for i-D Magazine
Applauded as "ultimately the most important American artist of his generation" by New York Times art critic Michael Kimmelman, Matthew Barney is the art star du jour thanks to his five-part epic CREMASTER film saga, based on the evolution of form. Originally slated to open this spring at the Guggenheim Museum in New York, the retrospective "Matthew Barney: THE CREMASTER CYCLE" is now showing at the Museum Ludwig in Cologne (including the European premier of the last part of the Cycle, CREMASTER 3) before it travels to Paris and New York. Barney connected the exhibition surface in Museum Ludwig with its cinema hall by a coloured Astroturf floor mat: a link to the American Football stadium in his hometown of Boise, Idaho, which is laid with the same material and which was the setting for CREMASTER 1. So, by entering the exhibition, you are suddenly in the middle of the strange, eccentric cosmos of the former football player Matthew Barney, whose films are accompanied by photographs, flags, bizarre sculptures and installations made out of vaseline. Welcome to THE CREMASTER CYCLE. Eschewing chronological order like an avant-garde George Lucas, Matthew Barney started with CREMASTER 4 in 1994 and completed the cycle with CREMASTER 3 in 2002. It is named after the CREMASTER, the muscle that regulates the height of the testicles in the male body, based on outside temperature or inner emotions. In Barney's work, the term refers to the idea of gender undifferentiation, which characterises a foetus' first seven weeks in the uterus before the sexual organs ascend to form a female or descend to form a male body. This undefined state is the departing point for Matthew Barney to relentlessly explore the evolution of form through fantastical allegories and metaphors encompassing biology, classic mythology, religion and Hollywood culture. One thing always signifies another. As curator Nancy Spector writes: "In his work, Barney is transcribing a new post-Oedipal myth for our contemporary culture. His version is a counter-narrative that depicts internal conflict rather than external mastery; it is an epic saga in which definition is defied and resolution perpetually deferred. In contrast to the tragedy of Oedipus Rex, paternal law need not be overcome because it simply does not exist. Instead, form engenders form through a radical cycle of discipline, self-division and resistance." Matthew Barney's auto-erotic myth-making results in an imagineering whose hysterical beauty and opulent splendour is unmatched by any other contemporary artist. The dreamlike, never-ending stream of associations and images overwhelms the viewer.
Well, there is a spot for "DVD" and "VHS" below the graphic at that link, just not click-able... yet...
Quote from: godardianWell, there is a spot for "DVD" and "VHS" below the graphic at that link, just not click-able... yet...
... which is one of the must frustrating things in a webpage.
The site's had that stuff up for ages...and that graphic is actually the theatrical poster. I bought The Order, because I'd rather have something than nothing -- the trailer for the whole cycle is the best part of it, though, just because you get to see those tantalizing images. If you want something more substantial, though, you probably should get this: (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/089207258X/qid=1073545291/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8034868-9738325?v=glance&s=books")
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.amazon.com%2Fimages%2FP%2F089207258X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg&hash=3972d3a8e95d2e1b2f0fb2318a109d32eb88c2db)
I paged through it as best as I could at a museum last month (it's ginormous), and my own copy should be arriving from Amazon later this week...can't wait.
In unfortunate news, Matthew Barney will be lecturing at the Dallas Museum Of Art on the 17th of this month, followed by a screening of Cremaster 3 and preceeded by a meet and greet -- but of course, they had to schedule it on the second to last day of production on my film, so I'll be forced to miss it. Alas.
Guys, i just sent an e-mail to a guy called Dan Cohen, who supposedly is related to "marketing inquiries" at Palm Pictures, asking him about the Cremaster Cycle on DVD. i'll post the reply if he answers.
Thanks, chuckhimselfo!
That's what I call being proactive! :) Can't wait to hear the news (hope it's good or at least promising).
Quote from: godardianThanks, chuckhimselfo!
That's what I call being proactive! :) Can't wait to hear the news (hope it's good or at least promising).
I dont think the news will be very good...i remember reading somewhere that barney has made half a million dollars each with his custom dvd sets.
Quote from: Pedro the WombatQuote from: godardianThanks, chuckhimselfo!
That's what I call being proactive! :) Can't wait to hear the news (hope it's good or at least promising).
I dont think the news will be very good...i remember reading somewhere that barney has made half a million dollars each with his custom dvd sets.
That's definitely a consideration... but also: After anyone who's going to buy one of these "personal" DVD sets has bought one, how much more renown and money does he stand to make with a "public" release, particularly one from people to whom he's already entrusted a touring theatrical exhibition?
For those who can't hardly wait:
http://brutallo.com/NEWARRIVALS.html
Personaly, I wouldn't buy them.
And I never got a response of that dude at Palm Pictures. How rude of him.
I'm suspicious of DVDs that seem not to be "official" releases...
If I had more cash at the moment, I'd buy one of the bootlegs, and if the quality was good, I'd buy the rest. I'd be willing to bet that's the closest you'd be able to get to owning them for quite a long, long time...
Quote from: GhostboyIf I had more cash at the moment, I'd buy one of the bootlegs, and if the quality was good, I'd buy the rest. I'd be willing to bet that's the closest you'd be able to get to owning them for quite a long, long time...
:cry:
i just want to see the third one all the way through...i loved those i saw so much though...
if only i could get some more money...
"mastered from 3rd generation VHS tape of the original museum laserdiscs."
gross
is this movie the story of GDIDM's pants? forgive me if this joke has been used.
More like what's constantly going on within them.
For the Cremaster 3 fans, "Jurassic Park 3, Terminator 3, and Cremaster 3 are part of an hermeneutical continuum."
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mz0dGgSBpM)
Quote from: Pwaybloe on June 28, 2006, 09:33:51 AM
For the Cremaster 3 fans, "Jurassic Park 3, Terminator 3, and Cremaster 3 are part of an hermeneutical continuum."
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mz0dGgSBpM)
There's stuff from more than just Cremaster 3. Doesn't matter, though, that shit is just nuts.