okay, why don't you like it then?
alive 2007 is pretty much the same as the coachella recording, but the sound quality is great. the best part is the human>together>music sounds better with you encore, which was the only thing that i hadn't heard.
i still like the chemical brothers more
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Quote from: mogwai on November 23, 2007, 11:11:29 AM
QuoteBecause unlike Alive 1997, Alive 2007 sucks.
okay, why don't you like it then?
I'm curious to know what you actually know about electronic music (and/or French house) if anything...
WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT THEN???
whatever.
daft punk's a complicated matter for me. i saw electroma and i posted about it in a thread that nobody read, but that movie is an anatomy of the assets and the liabilities daft punk has. i'd say one of their worst characteristics is that they're unoriginal to the core, like you just pointed out, REDACTED. ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4 ). also, they're enfuriatingly monotonous sometimes. and i don't know what to make of the religious-like fandom of their live tour. i guess they're the contemporary equivalent to pink floyd.
Quote from: cronopio on November 25, 2007, 04:37:46 PM
daft punk's enfuriatingly monotonous sometimes.
I agree with this statement, though I have not delved into all their work.
Over the years I read about the group many times. About a month ago, I finally bought Homework after watching a few videos from that album and reading numerous positive reviews. I really like it in bits, but the use of that same techno beat just really wears on me - especially when it goes on and on for 10 minutes with little change.
I'm definitely not saying some one is "wrong" for liking music of this sort, just personally it does very little for me. I think I would have done better getting the recent compilation of their first 3 albums, but looking at the tracklisting after the fact, some of the most tracks I found most interesting on Homework did not make that.
LCD Soundsystem is obviously largely influenced by Daft Punk (namedropping them in a song) but he also has the addition of lyrics and melody that makes it more interesting to me - though he still goes on a bit long for me at times.
Quote from: cronopio on November 25, 2007, 04:37:46 PM
i'd say one of their worst characteristics is that they're unoriginal to the core, like you just pointed out, REDACTED.
First off, I don't think
REDACTED said that. Secondly, I don't see that they're "unoriginal to the core," as they basically started French House, from what I understand. I think it's hard to argue with Homework and Discovery; as dance albums go you can hardly get more enjoyable than the two early recordings. They're over the hill, but so is most every other electronic artist that started in the nineties - Boards of Canada, Squarepusher, and Meat Beat being the only exceptions I can think of.
french house started in the seventies with jean michel jarre. and there's laurent garnier after him. even serge gainsbourg has some albums with electronic music. so they didn't started shit. they started as a rock band called Darlin' that got a bad review at melody maker and that's where they got the name for daft punk. they also didn't invented the robot musicians thing, that's as old as krautrock is. that's what i meant by unoriginal to the core. if you take their 'essential' concepts, there's nothing ground-breaking and innovative about them. and if you didn't check that youtube link i posted, please do so.
Quote from: cronopio on November 26, 2007, 01:51:07 PM
french house started in the seventies with jean michel jarre. and there's laurent garnier after him. even serge gainsbourg has some albums with electronic music. so they didn't started shit. they started as a rock band called Darlin' that got a bad review at melody maker and that's where they got the name for daft punk.they also didn't invented the robot musicians thing, that's as old as krautrock is. that's what i meant by unoriginal to the core. if you take their 'essential' concepts, there's nothing ground-breaking and innovative about them. and if you didn't check that youtube link i posted, please do so.
Well, I'm not super-familiar with French electronica but I don't think those guys were at all like Daft Punk (Garnier is arguable, I guess, but if anything Jarre influenced Air more than Daft Punk). Electronic yes, but that's just as vague a description as rock. But maybe you're right and I'm just mistaken.
They didn't change their name. It was a different group, with Laurent Brancowitz of Phoenix fame also included.
About the youtube link, it doesn't mean anything. They didn't go to any length to hide where they sampled the music from. In fact, the liner notes list all those songs. They've said in interviews several times that the point of the album is to allude to childhood, thus the heavy sampling from songs they heard as kids.
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on November 26, 2007, 09:18:36 PM
About the youtube link, it doesn't mean anything.
but to me it does. if you don't mind heavy sampling , then there's no crime. if you think it's a valid artistic resource to use heavy sampling to evoke your childhood, that is fine. if i made music, i wouldn't use a sampling of whigfield or scatman or the macarena or innercycle for the sole purpose of alluding my childhood. i think i'd write a song in the vein of 'saturday morning' by the eels.http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Saturday-Morning-lyrics-Eels/ECD5082F616BDE1748256D430006B0E5 (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Saturday-Morning-lyrics-Eels/ECD5082F616BDE1748256D430006B0E5)
i think heavy sampling is a vice now. i think it's the equivalent to the reference-saturated-emptiness that surrounds the new stuff by tarantino, (who by the way also is crazy about his childhood) and the like. lately i've been trying to detox from all the fucking ephimeral music i got into in the past years and getting back to the stuff i really like. the stuff i can listen to in shuffle without pretending i care about it. that excludes a lot of stuff in daft punk's catalogue. i just can't connect to shit like Steam Machine or Alive 2007. i don't see what their big contribution to the world of music is anymore.
on the topic of childhood and art . picasso said that every child is an artist , but the problem is to remain an artist.
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And how inappropriate on a FILM forum anyway.
this is the music section.
we also talk about buttmash.
that's just one example.
and i don't think anything got out of hand, you gave some excellent replies that were beyond what was necessary considering all mogwai could say was "whatever". that's when you shoulda stopped really.
i'll add that daft punk are boring commercial music now. i did like them when i was a kid, but not with any depth or cos i appreciated whatever the fuck role they played in some movement i wasn't even aware of. i've never taken music that seriously, precisely because these arguments of personal preference are more impossible to justify than they are in film. oh yeah, my belief that they are somehow more commercial now than ever before is that they are touring australia come january and a lot of ppl i know who were NEVER into them bought tickets at a whopping $125 or someshit. i swear they are secretly going just in vain hope of seeing KANYE. :shock:
but i can't really hold it against them. most ppl are more musically idiotic than they could ever be cinematically. i don't believe anyone my age could be a reputable music expert in the same way i could believe they have exceptional knowledge of film. only if they specialized at the expense of everything else, like they know everything about hip hop. i know and admire ppl like that.
i think mogwai has good knowledge of music and a healthy eclectic taste. other ppl i trust mostly are cronopio and lately you (REDACTED), all seem to name drop shit i might like. point is, fuck indie bullshit. :yabbse-smiley:
whatever
work hard & be nice to people. yeah right.
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Quote from: Chest Rockwell on November 26, 2007, 09:18:36 PM
Well, I'm not super-familiar with French electronica but I don't think those guys were at all like Daft Punk (Garnier is arguable, I guess, but if anything Jarre influenced Air more than Daft Punk). Electronic yes, but that's just as vague a description as rock. But maybe you're right and I'm just mistaken.
So, mogwai, I don't care if you or Rockwell or whoever else likes to listen to shitty commercial music made by artists that were once cool back in 1996.
Is that really necessary? Anyway, thanks for the brief history. I realize they're all influenced by those forerunners, but to say Daft Punk is any less original because of it is doing them a bit of a disservice, in my opinion.
And by the way, I said they were over the hill. I don't really like the new Daft Punk stuff post-Discovery.
didn't the members of daft punk make their third album as shitty as possible to just piss of their record label?
maybe the undeniable genius of REDACTED can answer that.
i don't see any band in its right mind doing that.
Daft Punk faces up to "French touch" legacy
Though barely in their 30s, the mysterious pair of Parisians who make up Daft Punk are having to come to terms with being the godfathers of a new generation of electro acts.
"The new generations are making some great music in a way that's completely without hang-ups and we're flattered these groups can be inspired by us," one half of Daft Punk, 32-year-old Thomas Bangalter, told AFP in an interview.
The first of the pair's three albums, Homework, released in 1997, became the foundation of the "French touch" movement that unfurled in the late 1990s as a series of French DJs leapt to international fame.
Daft Punk, whose trademark sound mixes house music, disco and distorted vocals, were joined by numerous others including Stardust and Cassius. The duo -- Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo, 33 is the other half -- have sold six million records.
Nowadays, their influence is clear in the sound of Germany's Digitalism or Boyz Noise, Canada's MSTRKRFT, Australia's Midnight Juggernauts and most of all in the first album of France's new electro heroes, Justice.
But a recent performance in Paris, turned into a new live album, brought the two face-to-face with the inexorable march of time: some fans in the crowd would have been about five when Homework was released.
"It was strange and that doesn't make us feel any younger," smiles Bangalter.
Though flattered by their obvious influence on the latest crop of electro acts, Bangalter stresses that Daft Punk continues to evolve and has become an art project for the two founding members.
"Music has always had a relative importance in our project. Our approach is about an artistic evolution that goes far beyond the music," said Thomas Bangalter.
The Daft Punk pair like to mix music with art and pop culture -- evident in the robot masks the duo wear in public -- in their films, such as "Electroma", and in the way they explore the relationship between humans and machines.
Live shows are a visual spectacle with the two DJs, behind their masks and surrounded by laser lights, placed on a glowing pyramid in the middle of thousands of dancing fans.
Their current world tour takes them to Japan and Australia before the end of the year.
"We've always been fascinated by people like Andy Warhol and Pop Art or Led Zeppelin, who built a visual universe which was relevant to music," added Bangalter.
"Our universe was sometimes taken as marketing in the past, but has now been accepted as an artistic project."
Daft Punk last month released a new album and a DVD.
"Alive 2007" is a recording of a concert in Paris in June this year which some critics have described as one of the best live performances in France of the year.
The DVD is of their film "Electroma," which was shown at the Cannes film festival in France and revolves around the quest of two robots to become human.