Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!

Started by MacGuffin, October 01, 2014, 02:10:50 PM

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eward

He's lent his voice to The Simpsons before, so I'm considering it a distinct possibility.

jenkins

not distinct in the second form, readily distinguishable by the senses, but in the first form, recognizably different in nature from something else of a similar type

another way to phrase it is it's a distant possibility. he never chats about his own books but he'd chat about a book adaptation. i didn't say it's not possible

WorldForgot

Really enjoyed listening to RJ geek out. Have not read Gravity's Rainbow myself so those allusions were lost on me but the digressions were my favorite bits. Any standout eps eward? I wonder how many factoids about the movie have become motifs themselves across the interviews. Podcast Sortilege wraparound are, uh, endearing.

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I like that BG bbq speculation. That Pynchon's in it twice and the second time's the red herring.





Drenk

Damn. I seriously can't stand that host. That's impressive, haha. It hasn't much to do with what is being said, it's just physical. But Johnson is a fun guest. I wish he had more opportunity to, like, say things; it feels like he's quietly nodding to the (often embarrasingly unfunny) rambling.

Chill out!
Ascension.

pynchonikon

It's been a while since I paid attention to these podcasts (Woods' obsession with the movie is a bit creepy), but I really liked this episode. Rian isn't only a nice filmmaker, but a cool guy too, and listening to him talking with such excitement about Pynchon (I loved his Knives Out reference of Gravity's Rainbow, which I finished reading last month, or at least I think I did), Paul and Newsom was very refreshing.

I also have a nerd question out of curiosity. On the Filming Locations section of the IMDB, Las Vegas is referred amongst others. Does anyone know if they they actually shot the Las Vegas sequence of the book but apparently they decided to cut it off in the editing room?

jenkins

it's likely imdb misinformation, since if they had shot it somebody would have talked about it. it wouldn't have been some day shoot you know. although every single member here is more familiar with pta interviews than i am, so perhaps what's likely isn't reality and somebody will mention that

i listened to the beginning of the rian johnson episode. because it's nutritious to hear nerd talk now and then. i liked when cowboy bebop was mentioned. i didn't find it interesting enough to listen to the whole thing but their spirit is in the right place

eward

Quote from: Drenk on May 16, 2020, 03:04:24 PM
Damn. I seriously can't stand that host. That's impressive, haha. It hasn't much to do with what is being said, it's just physical. But Johnson is a fun guest. I wish he had more opportunity to, like, say things; it feels like he's quietly nodding to the (often embarrasingly unfunny) rambling.

Chill out!

I do find his "I know, I'm a weirdo" schtick a bit annoying and repetitive, but his passion for all things Vice and general breadth of insight - and the quality of his writing, in particular - makes it all tolerable.

Tdog

This is a great listen thanks! Any other episodes people would recommend?

Also.....does Rian Johnson potentially lurk here?

Tdog

Quote from: eward on May 15, 2020, 05:34:50 PM
FWIW, latest episode hints that PTA himself will be making an appearance somewhere down the line.

Do you mean the tease at the end?

The next scene in the movie is inside The Golden Fang building right? So it's likely to be Martin Short if it's a "very very very special guest".
I'd be disappointed if it was the Denis actor (no offense meant).

WorldForgot

Quote from: Tdog on May 17, 2020, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: eward on May 15, 2020, 05:34:50 PM
FWIW, latest episode hints that PTA himself will be making an appearance somewhere down the line.

Do you mean the tease at the end?

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RJ straight up asks and the host replies "We're workin on it... I shouldn't say anything. I guess I just did."

Drenk

What scenes would you chose, by the way? I was surprised by the most popular choices. People really want to talking for one hour about the banana joke? The Journey Through The Past is better but I always find it kind of precious, but I wonder if the corniness isn't the point: the voice-over offers contrast and, after all, there is that hauting shot of the building coming just after: the creepy future was always in the works.

Anyway, mine would be the conversation at the table between Doc and Coy.
Ascension.

Pringle

Quote from: Drenk on May 17, 2020, 12:26:04 PM
What scenes would you chose, by the way? I was surprised by the most popular choices. People really want to talking for one hour about the banana joke? The Journey Through The Past is better but I always find it kind of precious, but I wonder if the corniness isn't the point: the voice-over offers contrast and, after all, there is that hauting shot of the building coming just after: the creepy future was always in the works.

Anyway, mine would be the conversation at the table between Doc and Coy.

My choice would be the final little montage after Coy is delivered home, and before the final Doc/Bigfoot scene, when the Golden Fang is seen being impounded. The narration from Sortilege is so sad and so appropriate and resonates so strongly with me these last few years:

" ". . . yet there is no avoiding time, the sea of time, the sea of memory and forgetfulness, the years of promise, gone and unrecoverable, of the land almost allowed to claim its better destiny, only to have the claim jumped by evildoers known all too well, and taken instead and held hostage to the future we must live in now forever."

Drenk

That quote is the perfect summation of the novel/movie.

The podcast seems to put a lot of emphasis on the role of Shasta and, yes, she's more at the forefront in the movie, but she's also an embodiment of what's going on, politically speaking. "It's just about missing your ex!": that kind of statement is dubious. Why would you deprive yourself from everything connected to that thread?
Ascension.

Drill

Quote from: Drenk on May 17, 2020, 02:25:42 PM
That quote is the perfect summation of the novel/movie.

The podcast seems to put a lot of emphasis on the role of Shasta and, yes, she's more at the forefront in the movie, but she's also an embodiment of what's going on, politically speaking. "It's just about missing your ex!": that kind of statement is dubious. Why would you deprive yourself from everything connected to that thread?

Exactly. Tarantino basically copied it in his portrayal of Sharon Tate in OUATIH. Both are personifications of the '60s dream rather than an actual full-blooded character.  *Every* character Doc meets along the way is a personification of some aspect of society. If you have that in mind, the film isn't confusing at all. Though, to be fair to the host regarding his Shasta hard-on, he's only echoing a lot of what PTA himself said. I think it's also, among other things, great portrayal of the aftermath of a break up/the nostalgia thing, but it's not a love story at all.

Neither is PDL, really. That's more about the emotion and feeling of falling in love and what it does to you, not so much about a relationship or a love story. 

eward

Quote from: Pringle on May 17, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Drenk on May 17, 2020, 12:26:04 PM
What scenes would you chose, by the way? I was surprised by the most popular choices. People really want to talking for one hour about the banana joke? The Journey Through The Past is better but I always find it kind of precious, but I wonder if the corniness isn't the point: the voice-over offers contrast and, after all, there is that hauting shot of the building coming just after: the creepy future was always in the works.

Anyway, mine would be the conversation at the table between Doc and Coy.

My choice would be the final little montage after Coy is delivered home, and before the final Doc/Bigfoot scene, when the Golden Fang is seen being impounded. The narration from Sortilege is so sad and so appropriate and resonates so strongly with me these last few years:

" ". . . yet there is no avoiding time, the sea of time, the sea of memory and forgetfulness, the years of promise, gone and unrecoverable, of the land almost allowed to claim its better destiny, only to have the claim jumped by evildoers known all too well, and taken instead and held hostage to the future we must live in now forever."
Quote from: Pringle on May 17, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Drenk on May 17, 2020, 12:26:04 PM
What scenes would you chose, by the way? I was surprised by the most popular choices. People really want to talking for one hour about the banana joke? The Journey Through The Past is better but I always find it kind of precious, but I wonder if the corniness isn't the point: the voice-over offers contrast and, after all, there is that hauting shot of the building coming just after: the creepy future was always in the works.

Anyway, mine would be the conversation at the table between Doc and Coy.

My choice would be the final little montage after Coy is delivered home, and before the final Doc/Bigfoot scene, when the Golden Fang is seen being impounded. The narration from Sortilege is so sad and so appropriate and resonates so strongly with me these last few years:

" ". . . yet there is no avoiding time, the sea of time, the sea of memory and forgetfulness, the years of promise, gone and unrecoverable, of the land almost allowed to claim its better destiny, only to have the claim jumped by evildoers known all too well, and taken instead and held hostage to the future we must live in now forever."

My choice might be the scene immediately following, when Bigfoot smashes the door down, he and Doc speak the same words simultaneously, and Bigfoot eats Doc's weed ("Are you okay brother?") not least because it's a scene that doesn't exist in the novel; it's a PTA original, and yielded maybe the biggest laugh of the night at the NYFF premiere. I believe the "You sure could use a Keeper" sentiment occurs somewhere in the novel, but my befogged memory tells me it was somewhat more tossed-off.