Awards conversation around Licorice Pizza — speculation, punditry, concerns, reactions — can go in this thread.
I've expressed this in the Shouter once, but I'll be concerned if Alana wins an Oscar for Best Actress. Nominations are fine, but a win like that just sets too high a bar. How do you top that? It would be undeniably thrilling in the moment, but...
That's such an uphill climb it's not worth the worry.
Alana isn't going to win anything but critic awards and breakthrough prizes.
Right now I think nominations for:
Picture
Director
Actress
Supporting Actor
Screenplay
Editing will be a longshot. Maybe Bridges can get another Costume nomination but it's a tough category. Same for Production Design. Cinematography will be unlikely
Possible win in Screenplay. Cooper would have won Supporting if the role wasn't so small but he has strong reviews and memorable enough for a nomination
:yabbse-grin:
https://twitter.com/miamivice2006/status/1461093251751067653
Quote from: Yes on November 17, 2021, 03:57:40 PM
Alana isn't going to win anything but critic awards and breakthrough prizes.
Right now I think nominations for:
Picture
Director
Actress
Supporting Actor
Screenplay
Editing will be a longshot. Maybe Bridges can get another Costume nomination but it's a tough category. Same for Production Design. Cinematography will be unlikely
Possible win in Screenplay. Cooper would have won Supporting if the role wasn't so small but he has strong reviews and memorable enough for a nomination
Less nominations than Phantom Thread? If that were to be the case, then I don't think he can get into Director.
I think first reactions to "Don't Look Up" will be today or tomorrow. Best Picture may be already crowned then.
wrongright, speaking of crowns - The King's Speech v Social Network, which was your horse?
Quote from: wrongright on November 17, 2021, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: Yes on November 17, 2021, 03:57:40 PM
Alana isn't going to win anything but critic awards and breakthrough prizes.
Right now I think nominations for:
Picture
Director
Actress
Supporting Actor
Screenplay
Editing will be a longshot. Maybe Bridges can get another Costume nomination but it's a tough category. Same for Production Design. Cinematography will be unlikely
Possible win in Screenplay. Cooper would have won Supporting if the role wasn't so small but he has strong reviews and memorable enough for a nomination
Less nominations than Phantom Thread? If that were to be the case, then I don't think he can get into Director.
I think first reactions to "Don't Look Up" will be today or tomorrow. Best Picture may be already crowned then.
Dont look up looks a bloody mess
Quote from: wrongright on November 17, 2021, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: Yes on November 17, 2021, 03:57:40 PM
Alana isn't going to win anything but critic awards and breakthrough prizes.
Right now I think nominations for:
Picture
Director
Actress
Supporting Actor
Screenplay
Editing will be a longshot. Maybe Bridges can get another Costume nomination but it's a tough category. Same for Production Design. Cinematography will be unlikely
Possible win in Screenplay. Cooper would have won Supporting if the role wasn't so small but he has strong reviews and memorable enough for a nomination
Less nominations than Phantom Thread? If that were to be the case, then I don't think he can get into Director.
I think first reactions to "Don't Look Up" will be today or tomorrow. Best Picture may be already crowned then.
LOL. You must either be a Leo stan or a JLaw stan (I refuse to believe Adam McKay has stans) if you truly believe Don't Look Up is going to be a contender for the win. You worry about accessibility and reviews yet Adam McKay is one of the most polarizing directors currently. Its so funny what you pick and choose.
Why would 5 total nominations not be enough for a Director nomination? Just the last few years alone
Another Round- 2 total
Cold War- 3 total
Room- 4 total
Get Out- 4 total
Foxcatcher- 5 total
The Big Short- 5 total
Promising Young Woman- 5 total
Lady Bird- 5 total
Black Klansman- 6 total
Manchester By the Sea- 6 total
Minari- 6 total
Nomadland- 6 total
Parasite- 6 total
Spotlight- 6 total
The Academy really likes Adam McKay. Vice still got all those nominations with middling reviews. So the quality of DLP won't even really matter. But most of the reactions from test screenings say it's great. This will definitely, at the very worst, be received better than Vice. Combine that with the star-studded cast, I don't see how it'll be stopped. Except for maybe Belfast.
Quote from: wrongright on November 17, 2021, 04:42:48 PM
The Academy really likes Adam McKay. Vice still got all those nominations with middling reviews. So the quality of DLP won't even really matter. But most of the reactions from test screenings say it's great. This will definitely, at the very worst, be received better than Vice. Combine that with the star-studded cast, I don't see how it'll be stopped. Except for maybe Belfast.
The Academy really likes PTA. He has 8 personal nominations. The most out of any living director who has yet to win. He's surely adding 2 more at very least with Licorice Pizza. Adam McKay won PGA with Big Short and it still didn't win BP--just Screenplay. That was a star-studded cast and also lost the SAG Ensemble. He can have enough fanbase to get nominations but if it's polarizing and divisive, that will hurt wins potential.
I hate the Ruimy guy but:
QuoteThe 145 minute film has been receiving polarizing reactions from its early screenings, with just a scant few actually hating it. In fact, I'm getting the same vibes from these mixed reactions as I got from McKay's last film, "Vice," which had a mixed reception in advanced screenings before being wholly embraced by the Academy with 8 Oscar nominations.
A reader who saw the film at a recent test screening in June told me that it was a global warming satire with a lot of the same meta-editing McKay brought to his last two films ("The Big Short" "Vice"). This person also mentioned Meryl Streep, Leonardo DiCaprio and Mark Rylance (playing a Bill Gates/Warren Buffet-type) as the most likely to receive awards attention.
Meanwhile, Jennifer Lawrence's lead scientist isn't much of a chewy role for the actress as she is mostly used as a narrative device for the audience. Timothee Chalamet, and Cate Blanchett have limited supporting roles. The version that is being screened runs a whopping 2 hours and 25 minutes in length and is said to be very "Brecht-ian."
The main gripe for detractors of the film has to do with tonal aspect of the narrative which ranges from dark drama to goofy comedy. McKay seems to have created a high-wire balancing act of genres, whether it ends up working is a question that could be answered after Thursday's screening.
The Playlist awards writer also mentioned Netflix isn't exactly positioning it as an awards player:https://twitter.com/TheGregoryE/status/1459224087092289536
"Yet" being the operative word. And now Being the Ricardos has been very well received and is a contender. They're all just waiting to see DLU.
Do you think PTA will win for this?
Quote from: WorldForgot on November 17, 2021, 04:32:48 PM
wrongright, speaking of crowns - The King's Speech v Social Network, which was your horse?
Of the two, TSN. But I would've voted for True Grit that year.
Quote from: wrongright on November 17, 2021, 04:55:22 PM
"Yet" being the operative word. And now Being the Ricardos has been very well received and is a contender. They're all just waiting to see DLU.
Do you think PTA will win for this?
If PTA wins, it would be Screenplay which I don't think is totally impossible given the reviews and how most winners have been the "cool choice"... Promising Young Woman... Belfast can still win Picture without Screenplay.
Quote from: wrongright on November 17, 2021, 05:01:25 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on November 17, 2021, 04:32:48 PM
wrongright, speaking of crowns - The King's Speech v Social Network, which was your horse?
Of the two, TSN. But I would've voted for True Grit that year.
Ahh, word! Certainly a better vote than King's Speech, imo. That Best Picture win was the one the broke my young faith in Academy Awards.
This is basically what I've been trying to say. Since they've seen it, they can better explain:
https://twitter.com/nathanielr/status/1461341386977030144?
https://twitter.com/nathanielr/status/1461343368387125248?
Impishly offensive takeaway?
I have a rule where I'll pretty much take any PTA ranking seriously as long as Sydney is last. This guy has my favorite PTA film(The Master) after Sydney. His opinion means nothing to me.
Licorice Pizza Might Finally Win Paul Thomas Anderson an Oscar (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/11/awards-insider-licorice-pizza-paul-thomas-anderson-oscars-outlook)
QuoteHow to describe Paul Thomas Anderson's Oscars track record? Over the past two-plus decades, he's become one of the most reliably nominated filmmakers of the period, if still consistently kept at arm's length by the Academy. He entered 2017 with six nods to his name, and yet it was something of a surprise when his eleventh hour contending film from that year, the critically adored Phantom Thread, was cited for both best picture and best director. He's revered in this town, no doubt. But the Oscars sure make him work for it.
Quote
Yet where the film really sings—and where I think you'll find its true Oscar potential—is in how heartfelt it is. Anderson has never been averse to showing a softer side, exactly, but this is a very funny comedy that doubles as the sweetest movie he's ever made. Whether in the sheer brutality of There Will Be Blood or the shaggy coolness of Inherent Vice, Anderson's work often projects a—successful!—distance. Here he presents people to fall in love with, and warmly follows them navigating a wild world.
I expect the Academy to respond to that, even as this also means the movie's relatively low stakes could translate to more challenging campaigns in picture and director, where more outwardly weightier work is usually favored. (And yes, the screenplay categories are quite predictive of the best-picture winner, but again, there are exceptions.) In any case, the screenplay is the obvious play, and there's plenty of potential below the line.
Quote from: eward on November 18, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
Impishly offensive takeaway?
Was feeling peckish the other night, so I ordered an impishly offensive takeaway. Half an hour later, a licorice pizza turned up on my doorstep.
26th Satellite Awards Nominations - by the International Press Academy (IPA)
Motion Picture, Comedy or Musical
Director - Paul Thomas Anderson
Screenplay, Original - Paul Thomas Anderson
Actress in Motion Picture, Comedy or Musical - Alana Haim
Film Editing - Andy Jurgensen
Nice to see Editing
Agreed. It's a large part to some of the major laughs in the film.
and its
iz all in the cuts
https://thefilmstage.com/paul-thomas-andersons-licorice-pizza-leads-2021-national-board-of-review-winners/
LP has won Best Film, Best Director and Breakthrough Performance for Alana Haim & Cooper Hoffman :bravo:
Congratulations! :bravo: The recognition is always good, though being named NBR winner is not much a blessing and more of a curse...
How so? I must admit, the recognition is nice--but I have no idea what The National Board of Review is--or does--or why we should care?
I've no idea why anybody would care about the Oscars either. But they're awards! And we're at awards talk!
"Licorice Pizza leads..." is cool enough no matter if these awards are worth anything or not. I guess it is a good sign for the award season and hopefully we will see more such headlines in the coming weeks.
Yeah, I'm on record as having fallen deeply OUT of love with the Oscars beginning around a decade ago. Still. I would congratulate Paul on an Oscar if he won one.
Yeah, I agree that the recognition is what's important here, and like the rest of us, I don't care about awards that much anymore. However, just for the sake of award season talk though, since it's a thread about it, NBR has always got this notoriety that its winners have almost never won at the Oscars.
Anyways, Paul had picked up a few NBR awards in the past, I think for both Inherent Vice and Phantom Thread? It's good to see that NBR's love for him remains.
Licorice Pizza just won best film and director at the National Board of Review awards.
After West Side Story's ecstatic reviews, I put that as the frontrunner for the best picture race, but this is giving me some hope.
When I lived in Manhattan the NBR newsletter/screening-emails was a great resource for free preview screenings. I recommend seeking that out if you are a student or critic-hopeful living in NYC, I think I was able to sign up via my university.
LP's nominated for 3 Detroit Film Critics Society Award: best original screenplay for Paul, best actress and breakthrough award for Alana. Winners will be announced on Dec 6.
https://twitter.com/detfilm/status/1466801651642155020
https://twitter.com/detfilm/status/1466806181482020864
https://twitter.com/detfilm/status/1466803162254389259
Woah. It would actually be dope to see Emma get that Breakthrough award.
LP is named best screenplay of New York Film Critics Circle
https://twitter.com/sidney_falco/status/1466841349727137794?s=21
LP seems one of the screenplay front runners now.
Yes, I was thinking that the NBR overperform could lead to a complete shut out by the NYFCC just to shake the things up a bit, but this win gladly confirms the film's strength among the critics' circles.
I feel like everyone is getting onboard with PTA's consolation Screenplay win so even if it doesn't win Best Film prizes elsewhere, they'll probably look to reward it there. I do think the movie will do very well overall at the LA critics in a few weeks, though.
Belfast never felt like a writing winner to me even if it did get Picture, West Side Story and Power of the Dog are Adapted. That leaves only Don't Look Up but Adam McKay has already won for writing and that movie will probably be critically divisive. Only winning if it sweeps which feels excessive at the moment. Check Letterboxd and you'll see verified critics implying how bad it is
LP is named best picture by Atlanta Film Critics Circle with four other awards:
https://twitter.com/ATLFilmCritics/status/1467880349246103557
https://twitter.com/ATLFilmCritics/status/1467870938729431044
https://twitter.com/ATLFilmCritics/status/1467869394835587072
https://twitter.com/ATLFilmCritics/status/1467866852596588546
https://twitter.com/ATLFilmCritics/status/1467865415518933000
There must have been FYC screenings in Atlanta, and the majority of the group attended instead of saying "send us screeners or piss off".
AFI Top 10. Seems like Licorice Pizza is getting a bit more attention than Phantom Thread did at the same point?
https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1468658765071364110
Unfair comp, PT was the late player/BP dark horse in a very competitive awards season.
LP is currently the candidate with the highest Metascore and quite possibly a top5-6 BP nominee.
The good news is that MGM started to send digital-screenings links to critics/voters, they're doing nice job so far.
Golden Globes noms are out.
https://deadline.com/2021/12/golden-globe-nominations-2021-film-tv-1234889854/
Licorice Pizza is nominated for Best Picture (Musical or Comedy), Best Actress (Musical or Comedy) for Alana, Best Actor (Musical or Comedy) for Cooper(!!!), And Best Screenplay for Paul.
https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1470401276127027200
do we think this is between Leo and Cooper here?
& Garfield maybe?
Regardless of what you think about the Globes in general, how do you guys read a lack of nomination for directing?
Quote from: d on December 13, 2021, 09:52:52 AM
Regardless of what you think about the Globes in general, how do you guys read a lack of nomination for directing?
Bad news
Maybe HFPA just never cared about Paul. They didn't even give Paul any nominations for There Will Be Blood or Phantom Thread, which performed quite well later at the Oscars.
https://variety.com/2021/awards/awards/critics-choice-nominations-2021-1235131779/
8 nominations of Critics Choice Awards including:
Best Picture
Best Director
Best Actress
Best Young Actor
Best Acting Ensemble
Best Original Screeplay
Best Editing
Best Comedy
The GG director snub is bad news for the BP win in the Oscars, which was never happening anyway.
Plus they just gave him his first personal nom after 25 years of career.
Right now I think the realistic Oscar nom shots of the movie are
Best Picture
Best Director
Best Screenplay
Best Actress
Best Editing (Andy keeps getting noms here and there which is good)
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Best Sup. Actor (Cooper needed noms today but the film keeps getting Ensemble noms/wins which is good enough to keep him into consideration)
If we're talking about Globes snubs, West Side Story's Screenplay nom is inexcusable. Return of King and Million Dollar Baby last BP winners to miss Globe Screenplay. And add the box office flop and remake stigma...
BP truly is going to be Belfast vs Power of the Dog... lol..
But considering Power of the Dog is a slow Netflix film with mediocre audience scores, congrats Belfast! I really hope it doesn't win Screenplay too and they split with PTA but Branagh winning 3 Oscars for this film hilariously tells you all you need to know about the industry awards
Yeah I knew the Globes always did stupid shit but the fact that they've never given him a personal nom for director OR screenplay in his entire career til now is insane
The thing that is making me crazy is the complete lack of cinematography noms or critics acknowledgement. Nothing looks even remotely as good as it this year. The fact that Power of the Dog is winning all the cinematography awards is fine... it's way too glossy and digital for my taste so I don't really get it—I feel like it's getting awards purely for the beauty of its locations but the cinematography doesn't add much to it. I'm being too harsh, there are some great compositions, natural lighting, etc... but it's still got that Netflix-y sheen... look at what TWBB did with somewhat similar locations and it's no comparison. Belfast getting nominated for cinematography drives me crazy too—that's like the worst thing about that movie in my opinion. To me, realistically (considering the Academy's taste) it should be Dune and Tragedy of Macbeth splitting wins, with LP and Power of the Dog getting nominated and then I don't really care what else—West Side Story's got some amazing shots so I'm fine with it getting in there but I'm a little tired with the Kaminski/Spielberg pairing at this point. Maybe Spencer? Nightmare Alley? (French Dispatch, in an ideal world, but that doesn't seem like it's happening).
Sorry for the cinematography rant, I know it's naive but it really does look so good and do so many interesting things that nobody else is doing... wish it would get a little consideration for that. ESPECIALLY when Once Upon a Time in Hollywood got in for like every cinematography category and this looks better imo. That Bob Richardson clout takes you far. I have a lot more wishes in terms of awards stuff this year — give Worst Person in the World some original screenplay and actress noms! Toss Macbeth into the best picture lineup! Give BCoop at least a nom, who gives a shit about the 8 min screen time! — but doesn't seem like any of those are too likely.
Given the general preference that the awards voters show for digital* over film (let alone the b/w which somehow automatically means nom bait), i'm not sure they have any idea what good cinematography really means nowadays.
*I don't have anything against digital necessarily, but especially period movies really need to be shot on film tbh. The Power of the Dog is hurt by the digital cinematography IMO.
Agreed. I loved Power of the Dog, but it might be the most digital-looking movie I've seen since 28 Days Later.
The Australian Academy nominated it for:
Picture
Director
Supporting Actor (Bradley Cooper)
Screenplay
This is "important" since they share membership with Oscars. And each category has rather strong correlation
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/aacta-international-awards-nominations-2022-belfast-1235064365/
It flopped at the Los Angeles Critic Awards big time. Runner-up in Screenplay and Editing.
Won Best Picture from St. Louis Film Critics.
Runner-up for Original Screenplay
http://www.stlfilmcritics.org/awards
Dang. I wanna see Mass.
Quote from: Yes on December 17, 2021, 09:49:20 PM
The Australian Academy nominated it for:
Picture
Director
Supporting Actor (Bradley Cooper)
Screenplay
This is "important" since they share membership with Oscars. And each category has rather strong correlation
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/aacta-international-awards-nominations-2022-belfast-1235064365/
This might be good news for his directing nomination chance for the shared voters of the Academy here have nominated him. LP might not do very good in the directing category of these critics awards, but at the Academy not many people would care what critics think.
Uh oh
(https://i.imgur.com/zT1siCC.png)
https://nypost.com/2021/12/28/activists-boycott-licorice-pizza-over-racist-depictions/ (https://nypost.com/2021/12/28/activists-boycott-licorice-pizza-over-racist-depictions/)
This is how much impact it'll have:
Quote from: Yes on December 29, 2021, 12:33:49 AM
This is how much impact it'll have:
You underestimate the Asian American community and you must be ignoring the social atmosphere right now because of increased attacks on Asians this past year as a result of Covid. Tensions are high and people are walking on egshells. President Biden signed an Anti-Asian Hate Crime bill in May with the support of BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans. Do you understand the gravity of that? No, seriously, do you? If Asian Americans mobilize against this film on social media and in mainstream media, this will make #OscarsSoWhite look like a day at the beach.
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: Yes on December 29, 2021, 12:33:49 AM
This is how much impact it'll have:
You underestimate the Asian American community and you must be ignoring the social atmosphere right now because of increased attacks on Asians this past year as a result of Covid. Tensions are high and people are walking on egshells. President Biden signed an Anti-Asian Hate Crime bill in May with the support of BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans. Do you understand the gravity of that? No, seriously, do you? If Asian Americans mobilize against this film on social media and in mainstream media, this will make #OscarsSoWhite look like a day at the beach.
No it won't. Whether or not it should is a different question. did you forget the writer of Green Book still won an Oscar despite publicly tweeting Islmaphobia and supporting Trump. Every year a film has problematic discourse of some kind. The Oscars aren't until March, the noms not for another 2 months
But then again you've oddly been adamant this film would fail constantly
If anything it will help it. Streisand Effect and all. Which is a mighty fine coincidence. :)
Everyday, for whatever subject, lazy "journalists" write about activists (who? where? how many?) demanding stuff, it usually lasts less that one day.
Quote from: Yes on December 29, 2021, 12:46:36 AM
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: Yes on December 29, 2021, 12:33:49 AM
This is how much impact it'll have:
You underestimate the Asian American community and you must be ignoring the social atmosphere right now because of increased attacks on Asians this past year as a result of Covid. Tensions are high and people are walking on egshells. President Biden signed an Anti-Asian Hate Crime bill in May with the support of BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans. Do you understand the gravity of that? No, seriously, do you? If Asian Americans mobilize against this film on social media and in mainstream media, this will make #OscarsSoWhite look like a day at the beach.
No it won't. Whether or not it should is a different question. did you forget the writer of Green Book still won an Oscar despite publicly tweeting Islmaphobia and supporting Trump. Every year a film has problematic discourse of some kind. The Oscars aren't until March, the noms not for another 2 months
But then again you've oddly been adamant this film would fail constantly
Actually, I wrote a very detailed review about how much I really liked it. The only thing I've been adamant about is that MGM and PTA messed up the marketing for this and failed to get anyone, outside of the film geeks who were already going to see this, excited for it. Now, the moviegoers outside of film geeks have mainly heard about a weird age gap and racist Asian jokes.
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: Yes on December 29, 2021, 12:46:36 AM
Quote from: Montclair on December 29, 2021, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: Yes on December 29, 2021, 12:33:49 AM
This is how much impact it'll have:
You underestimate the Asian American community and you must be ignoring the social atmosphere right now because of increased attacks on Asians this past year as a result of Covid. Tensions are high and people are walking on egshells. President Biden signed an Anti-Asian Hate Crime bill in May with the support of BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans. Do you understand the gravity of that? No, seriously, do you? If Asian Americans mobilize against this film on social media and in mainstream media, this will make #OscarsSoWhite look like a day at the beach.
No it won't. Whether or not it should is a different question. did you forget the writer of Green Book still won an Oscar despite publicly tweeting Islmaphobia and supporting Trump. Every year a film has problematic discourse of some kind. The Oscars aren't until March, the noms not for another 2 months
But then again you've oddly been adamant this film would fail constantly
Actually, I wrote a very detailed review about how much I really liked it. The only thing I've been adamant about is that MGM and PTA messed up the marketing for this and failed to get anyone, outside of the film geeks who were already going to see this, excited for it. Now, the moviegoers outside of film geeks have mainly heard about a weird age gap and racist Asian jokes.
To be fair, PTA will never have a movie that appeals outside of film geeks. It's more apparent than ever now. Even though this is advertised as his most accessible, it still operates in ways that will be alienating to the masses. No other movie currently looks like this, behaves this way.
I just don't think some online discourse is going to impact the movie in any way. Once upon A Time in Hollywood had a year of the Bruce Lee backlash and it still did well with awards.
3rd place for Actress and Screenplay at National Society Film Critics
Didn't win any Golden Globes. No surprise there. It does feel like the wind has been taken out of its sails awards wise, so even the screenplay Oscar probably isn't happening anymore. Ah, well. The 5 minutes where it seemed like it could happen were fun.
Quote from: Drill on January 10, 2022, 03:27:16 AM
Didn't win any Golden Globes. No surprise there. It does feel like the wind has been taken out of its sails awards wise, so even the screenplay Oscar probably isn't happening anymore. Ah, well. The 5 minutes where it seemed like it could happen were fun.
To be fair the globes seem to ha PTA for some reason so its not really much of a sign.
They nominated him for the first time after 25 years of being into the business, so hopefully he will live long enough to finally be awarded at 76.
Quote from: PaulElroy35 on January 10, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: Drill on January 10, 2022, 03:27:16 AM
Didn't win any Golden Globes. No surprise there. It does feel like the wind has been taken out of its sails awards wise, so even the screenplay Oscar probably isn't happening anymore. Ah, well. The 5 minutes where it seemed like it could happen were fun.
To be fair the globes seem to hate PTA for some reason so its not really much of a sign.
If you're paying attention, (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/podcasts/the-daily/golden-globes-awards.html) I'm not sure you'd want to 'win' a Golden Globe. As far as I'm concerned, Paul dodged a bullet.
Quote from: Drill on January 10, 2022, 03:27:16 AM
Didn't win any Golden Globes. No surprise there. It does feel like the wind has been taken out of its sails awards wise, so even the screenplay Oscar probably isn't happening anymore. Ah, well. The 5 minutes where it seemed like it could happen were fun.
Nah, he can still win Screenplay. Globes are meaningless.
SAG noms are out and...well, if Alana and Cooper are eligible (are they though?), then I guess MGM really put all they've got on House of Gucci instead of LP.
The only nomination for LP is Bradley Cooper for supporting actor.
wrongright was right about this for once. :yabbse-grin:
Nah. I didn't expect Licorice in Ensemble. Hoffman was never happening. Haim was 50/50. Gucci is A-list actors hamming it up. Cooper making it for such a small role is a miracle honestly. Wrongright is also wrong (lol) because they said Don't Look Up was winning BP and Leo couldn't even get a nom here
Licorice Pizza still did extremely well at the BAFTA longlist. Better than House of Gucci did. It qualified for Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Supporting Actor, Screenplay, Cinematography, Costume, Editing, Production. Gucci alone missed Director
I do think that the concerted effort by the Academy to include more diverse and leftfield members among its voters has helped PTA's future Oscar chances, as evidenced by all the nominations that PT received. The old Hollywood guard didn't seem very interested in him (helping to explain the almost complete snub of The Master), but there are a lot more international and younger voters now, among whom PTA is much more revered. For instance, I distinctly recall Olivier Assayas saying that he'd loved PT, which he watched on an academy screener (and presumably voted for?).
I reckon we could be onto a Kubrick thing here and PTA's only ever Oscar win will be for Cinematography, rather than Picture, Writer or Director.
I remember Ben Affleck winning Best Director and praising PTA, who wasn't even nominated that year.
In 2017. when bunch of directors was asked about their favorites of that year... Almodovar said Phantom Thread.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on January 13, 2022, 05:00:29 AM
I do think that the concerted effort by the Academy to include more diverse and leftfield members among its voters has helped PTA's future Oscar chances, as evidenced by all the nominations that PT received. The old Hollywood guard didn't seem very interested in him (helping to explain the almost complete snub of The Master), but there are a lot more international and younger voters now, among whom PTA is much more revered. For instance, I distinctly recall Olivier Assayas saying that he'd loved PT, which he watched on an academy screener (and presumably voted for?).
the old hollywood guard liked him. Boogie Nights and Magnolia got him nominations. Blood was one of the year's biggest films. Punch-Drunk Love was his only film that didn't overperform in that period but understandably so. The Master situation was just bad luck. Weinstein gave it an awful campaign, the Scientology aspect clouded it and then critics were more enamored with Amour that year. Affleck and Bigelow snubs go to show how wacky a year it was. But he was still WGA and BAFTA nominated. Inherent Vice pulled off the Screenplay nom nobody saw coming and then Phantom Thread did what it did.
Bradley Cooper won Toronto Film Critics Best Supporting Actor. Film was Picture and Screenplay runner-up (to Drive My Car)
Did we intentionally skip over the news that the esteemed Georgia Film Critics Association (https://www.georgiafilmcritics.org/p/2021-awards.html)awarded
BEST PICTURE
BEST ACTRESS (Alana)
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR (Bradley)
ORIG SCREENPLAY
BEST ENSEMBLE
BREAKTHROUGH AWARD (Alana)
to LICORICE PIZZA?
Makes sense. The Georgia age of consent is 16.
https://twitter.com/kcfilmcritics/status/1482801134553157636
Quote from: Yes on January 16, 2022, 02:25:12 PM
https://twitter.com/kcfilmcritics/status/1482801134553157636
"It's finger licking good!"
The only award that matters
The NYTimes put out their picks for who should be nominated, and they didn't put down Licorice Pizza for any of the categories, even screenplay.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/01/14/movies/critics-oscar-nominees.html
Welp it's dead. Dargis thinks the Todd Haynes Velvet underground documentary should be nominated instead. I guess PTA can return the tux rental and tear up that speech
Can someone post their predictions in this thread?
Quote from: Robyn on January 19, 2022, 04:23:40 AM
Can someone post their predictions in this thread?
They're not predictions. Just personal preferences
https://twitter.com/landonhjohnson/status/1482812882010079232
Ah! Well, these will never happen.
Quote from: Robyn on January 19, 2022, 04:23:40 AM
Can someone post their predictions in this thread?
Sure. To be clear, they're not positing these as predictions, just who they'd nominate if given the choice.
BEST PICTURE:
'Drive My Car'
'Passing'
'The Power of the Dog'
'Azor'
'Annette'
'The Card Counter'
'Bad Luck Banging or Loony Porn'
'The Disciple'
'Bergman Island'
'Spencer'
'Memoria'
'Summer of Soul'
'The Souvenir Part II'
'The Velvet Underground'
'The Tragedy of Macbeth'
'Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy'
'West Side Story'
BEST DIRECTOR:
Jane Campion for 'The Power of the Dog'
Rebecca Hall for 'Passing'
Ryusuke Hamaguchi for 'Drive My Car'
Mia Hansen-Love for 'Bergman Island'
Todd Haynes for 'The Velvet Underground'
Joanna Hogg for 'The Souvenir Part II'
Questlove for 'Summer of Soul'
Steven Spielberg for 'West Side Story'
BEST ACTOR:
Benedict Cumberbatch for 'The Power of the Dog'
Hidetoshi Nishijima for 'Drive My Car'
Denzel Washington for 'The Tragedy of Macbeth'
Oscar Isaac for 'The Card Counter'
Adam Driver for 'Annette'
Fabrizio Rongione for 'Azor'
Aditya Modak for 'The Disciple'
BEST ACTRESS:
Kristen Stewart for 'Spencer'
Tessa Thompson for 'Passing'
Kirsten Dunst for 'The Power of the Dog'
Penélope Cruz for 'Parallel Mothers'
Toko Miura for 'Drive My Car'
Katia Pascariu for 'Bad Luck Banging or Loony Porn'
Ruth Negga for 'Passing'
Honor Swinton Byrne for 'The Souvenir Part II'
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS:
Claire Foy for 'The Electrical Life of Louis Wain'
Ariana DeBose for 'West Side Story'
Kotone Furukawa for 'Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy'
Aunjanue Ellis for 'King Richard'
Aoba Kawai for 'Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy'
Kathryn Hunter for 'The Tragedy of Macbeth'
Fusako Urabe for 'Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy'
Toko Miura for 'Drive My Car'
Park Yurim for 'Drive My Car'
Ruth Negga for 'Passing'
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR:
Kodi Smit-McPhee for 'The Power of the Dog'
Pablo Torre Nilsson for 'Azor'
David Alvarez for 'West Side Story'
Masaki Okada for 'Drive My Car'
Benicio Del Toro for 'The French Dispatch'
Jesse Plemons for 'The Power of the Dog'
Mike Faist for 'West Side Story'
Kiyohiko Shibukawa for 'Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy'
Toni Servillo for 'The Hand of God'
BEST SCREENPLAY:
'Azor'
'Annette'
'The Card Counter'
'Bergman Island'
'The Disciple'
'The Hand of God'
'Preparations to Be Together for an Unknown Period of Time'
'Parallel Mothers'
'The Velvet Underground'
'The Souvenir Part II'
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY:
'Drive My Car'
'Passing'
'The Power of the Dog'
'The Last Duel'
'The Tragedy of Macbeth'
'Prayers for the Stolen'
'West Side Story'
Art Directors Guild nomination for LP:
https://variety.com/2022/artisans/awards/art-directors-guild-2022-nominations-full-list-1235160949/
that's a great nom. So well deserved. Unexpected, too, since it happened over Belfast and Power of the Dog. Hopefully a good signifier
LP's nominated for PGA!
https://variety.com/2022/awards/awards/pga-awards-nominations-2022-being-the-ricardos-tick-tick-boom-netflix-1235165145/
Also congrats to Andy Jurgensen for the nomination of ACE Eddie Awards, LP is nominated for best edited feature film (comedy)
https://variety.com/2022/artisans/awards/ace-eddie-awards-nominations-2022-full-list-belfast-king-richard-no-time-to-die-1235164534/
WGA awards nom for Paul, as expected:
https://twitter.com/variety/status/1486764071298822144?s=21
Great. Also I'm assuming no one in Hollywood has actually seen Being the Ricardos.
Paul for DGA!
https://twitter.com/itsdougjam/status/1486814940027445251?s=21
!!!
His most successful run with the Guilds next to TWBB, impressive!
Rough day for wrongright and LastSnowKing
Shit, with that much love from all the guilds, I am starting to think he may actually get a "it's their time" Oscar for screenplay.
BAFTA nominated for picture, director, screenplay, editing & best actress :bravo:
So happy Alana got nominated, I wish it would pick up a few more cinematography nominations though, it looks better than all of the nominees here.
Some BAFTA love for Licorice Pizza!
Though I suspect Belfast will take the Best Film / Screenplay categories because it's BAFTA, this surely bodes well for some Oscar noms too.
Great showing at BAFTA. Between the guilds and now this, looking really strong for Oscar noms. Alana can make it after all.
Let's just hope it's finally PTA's time for the Screenplay
Congratulations! Hopefully all this British love would work for the Oscars noms too!
Those of you more East-erly than I (which is probably MOST of you?)--will have an advantage next Tuesday morning...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZhDW3XlmyS/
I wonder why it's "8:18 AM". Any significance there? And is this usual? Seems like a detail I'd remember if that ultra-specific scheduled time was a regular thing but also I have little faith in my ability to remember details like that so wait for me to ask this same thing next year.
It probably has to do with morning show slots. It's probably the end of the 2nd or 3rd commercial break or something...
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 03, 2022, 06:02:15 PM
I wonder why it's "8:18 AM". Any significance there? And is this usual? Seems like a detail I'd remember if that ultra-specific scheduled time was a regular thing but also I have little faith in my ability to remember details like that so wait for me to ask this same thing next year.
It's standard
Quote from: Yes on February 03, 2022, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 03, 2022, 06:02:15 PM
I wonder why it's "8:18 AM". Any significance there? And is this usual? Seems like a detail I'd remember if that ultra-specific scheduled time was a regular thing but also I have little faith in my ability to remember details like that so wait for me to ask this same thing next year.
It's standard
Okay thanks; see you all next year with the same question.
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 03, 2022, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: Yes on February 03, 2022, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 03, 2022, 06:02:15 PM
I wonder why it's "8:18 AM". Any significance there? And is this usual? Seems like a detail I'd remember if that ultra-specific scheduled time was a regular thing but also I have little faith in my ability to remember details like that so wait for me to ask this same thing next year.
It's standard
Okay thanks; see you all next year with the same question.
Lol it's a ridiculously early tradition so I don't blame you
Paul Thomas Anderson ('Licorice Pizza') could reach Oscars milestone thanks to Alana Haim (https://www.goldderby.com/article/2022/paul-thomas-anderson-licorice-pizza-oscars-alana-haim/)
So guys i know awards arent hugely important but whats your predictions for Licorice Pizza as far as oscar nominations go?
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on February 07, 2022, 04:10:23 AM
So guys i know awards arent hugely important but whats your predictions for Licorice Pizza as far as oscar nominations go?
Given the guild and industry momentum:
Picture (PGA+BAFTA+Globe+AACTA+NBR)
Director (DGA+BAFTA+AACTA+NBR)
Screenplay (WGA+Globe+BAFTA+AACTA+NY)
Editing (ACE+BAFTA)
These should happen. Picture is locked and Screenplay, too. PTA isn't really a director who makes DGA but is snubbed (Sorkin, Taika, Cooper, Farrelly, McDonagh, Garth Davis, even Ridley Scott or Clint Eastwood). Editing is the least certain but it's made everything it needed to.
NEXT IN LINE:
Actress (Globe+BAFTA)
Supporting Actor (SAG+AACTA)
SAG is a very crucial precursor so Bradley Cooper oughta be in. He also made the Australian Oscars which has industry overlap. Haim is 50/50
POSSIBLE BUT NOT EXPECTED:
Production Design (ADG)
It can slip in but didn't make BAFTA so unlikely.
PROBABLY NOT:
Costume Design
Costumes didn't catch on this time like Phantom Thread and Inherent Vice
Quote from: Yes on February 07, 2022, 04:49:30 AM
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on February 07, 2022, 04:10:23 AM
So guys i know awards arent hugely important but whats your predictions for Licorice Pizza as far as oscar nominations go?
Given the guild and industry momentum:
Picture (PGA+BAFTA+Globe+AACTA+NBR)
Director (DGA+BAFTA+AACTA+NBR)
Screenplay (WGA+Globe+BAFTA+AACTA+NY)
Editing (ACE+BAFTA)
These should happen. Picture is locked and Screenplay, too. PTA isn't really a director who makes DGA but is snubbed (Sorkin, Taika, Cooper, Farrelly, McDonagh, Garth Davis, even Ridley Scott or Clint Eastwood). Editing is the least certain but it's made everything it needed to.
NEXT IN LINE:
Actress (Globe+BAFTA)
Supporting Actor (SAG+AACTA)
SAG is a very crucial precursor so Bradley Cooper oughta be in. He also made the Australian Oscars which has industry overlap. Haim is 50/50
POSSIBLE BUT NOT EXPECTED:
Production Design (ADG)
It can slip in but didn't make BAFTA so unlikely.
PROBABLY NOT:
Costume Design
Costumes didn't catch on this time like Phantom Thread and Inherent Vice
This is a really well thought out analysis; thanks for writing it. Can't think of anything I disagree with.
On a side note, the fact PTA continues to be under-appreciated by the DGA has always seriously befuddled me.
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 07, 2022, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: Yes on February 07, 2022, 04:49:30 AM
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on February 07, 2022, 04:10:23 AM
So guys i know awards arent hugely important but whats your predictions for Licorice Pizza as far as oscar nominations go?
Given the guild and industry momentum:
Picture (PGA+BAFTA+Globe+AACTA+NBR)
Director (DGA+BAFTA+AACTA+NBR)
Screenplay (WGA+Globe+BAFTA+AACTA+NY)
Editing (ACE+BAFTA)
These should happen. Picture is locked and Screenplay, too. PTA isn't really a director who makes DGA but is snubbed (Sorkin, Taika, Cooper, Farrelly, McDonagh, Garth Davis, even Ridley Scott or Clint Eastwood). Editing is the least certain but it's made everything it needed to.
NEXT IN LINE:
Actress (Globe+BAFTA)
Supporting Actor (SAG+AACTA)
SAG is a very crucial precursor so Bradley Cooper oughta be in. He also made the Australian Oscars which has industry overlap. Haim is 50/50
POSSIBLE BUT NOT EXPECTED:
Production Design (ADG)
It can slip in but didn't make BAFTA so unlikely.
PROBABLY NOT:
Costume Design
Costumes didn't catch on this time like Phantom Thread and Inherent Vice
This is a really well thought out analysis; thanks for writing it. Can't think of anything I disagree with.
On a side note, the fact PTA continues to be under-appreciated by the DGA has always seriously befuddled me.
It's insane but DGA is representative of the top 5 films and PTA has only had 1 top-tier contender prior to Licorice Pizza (There Will Be Blood). At least the Academy came through for Phantom Thread
It's the writing guild who has respected him the most: Boogie Nights, Magnolia, There Will Be Blood, The Master, Licorice Pizza. They have more quirky taste, despite the Inherent Vice oversight
It underperformed unfortunately but still made Picture, Director, Screenplay.
PTA now has 11 nominations on his career
Do you think no nomination for editing, actress and supporting actor may affect chances in the screenplay category? (Which is the only one out of the three that can happen, isn't it?).
Thought Picture and Director might bring at least one acting nom along, unfortunately Alana got snubbed.
Quote from: d on February 08, 2022, 07:51:04 AM
Do you think no nomination for editing, actress and supporting actor may affect chances in the screenplay category? (Which is the only one out of the three with a rwal chance, isn't it?).
Yes. I don't think it will win that. Branagh will be the favorite for it. McKay might even win the WGA even though he was DGA and Oscar snubbed for Directing
No Alana :yabbse-sad:
After the Alana/Andy/Bradley omissions I was expecting PTA getting snubbed in BD as well, yet hopefully he made it. Feels weird that it managed to get 3 major noms and nothing else, but I assume they considered PTA as the real MVP of the film.
PTA now has 11 Oscar nominations in his career.
Looks like Original Screenplay is his only shot, and that category is very precarious, with the biggest obstacle probably being that it's the best spot to reward Branagh for Belfast.
Quote from: pynchonikon on February 08, 2022, 08:03:55 AM
After the Alana/Andy/Bradley omissions I was expecting PTA getting snubbed in BD as well, yet hopefully he made it. Feels weird that it managed to get 3 major noms and nothing else, but I assume they considered PTA as the real MVP of the film.
Me too, but it's (sadly) understandable reasoning. It's his equivalent of Short Cuts getting only Director lol
I can't believe they snubbed Bradley. Alana was incredible, but it obviously wasn't 'showy' enough for them (look at the nods - Penelope did knock it out the park for Parallel Mothers though) but Bradley as well? Also Production design and Costumes again, probably not showy enough, despite all the incredible work on display. Can't believe I live in a realm where Dune gets noms over a PTA flick...I'm sour over this...
Yeah, I don't think this is winning screenplay anymore. Its best chance probably would've been if Sorkin got nominated and split votes with Belfast. Now that TWPITW was nominated instead, it will probably split votes with this allowing Belfast to win.
At least he's racked up the Director nominations. I think he's caught up to Tarantino and Fincher now.
Quote from: Drill on February 08, 2022, 09:04:16 AM
Yeah, I don't think this is winning screenplay anymore. Its best chance probably would've been if Sorkin got nominated and split votes with Belfast. Now that TWPITW was nominated instead, it will probably split votes with this allowing Belfast to win.
At least he's racked up the Director nominations. I think he's caught up to Tarantino and Fincher now.
Yep. Worst Person will steal the hipster and highbrow votes that PTA otherwise would have had 99% of
Kinda like Green Book winning over Favourite because it split with First Reformed. Belfast isn't winning BP thankfully but still
Not directly related to LP, but I just have to comment that Drive My Car must surely rank as one of the most challenging and highbrow films ever to be nominated for Best Picture. Great movie, by the way! Kinda hope it wins because I'd love to see Hollywood give Hamaguchi a sizeable budget to do something. Obviously it won't win.
Quote from: max from fearless on February 08, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
I can't believe they snubbed Bradley.
I don't quite understand the over-the-top love Bradley Cooper has gotten for this role. He was entertaining in it, but he was basically just giving a performance he's given many times before (dating all the way back to Wedding Crashers). As far as supporting performances in the movie go, I thought Penn did more interesting work, Safdie did more interesting work, Joseph Cross did more interesting work, and the MVP of the whole damn movie was Harriet Sansom Harris.
Quote from: polkablues on February 08, 2022, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: max from fearless on February 08, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
I can't believe they snubbed Bradley.
I don't quite understand the over-the-top love Bradley Cooper has gotten for this role. He was entertaining in it, but he was basically just giving a performance he's given many times before (dating all the way back to Wedding Crashers). As far as supporting performances in the movie go, I thought Penn did more interesting work, Safdie did more interesting work, Joseph Cross did more interesting work, and the MVP of the whole damn movie was Harriet Sansom Harris.
Plus Bradley is in the movie for all of what, 5 minutes?
Well, this should definitely keep him in business with MGM.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1491096755248799748
Quote from: ©brad on February 08, 2022, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: polkablues on February 08, 2022, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: max from fearless on February 08, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
I can't believe they snubbed Bradley.
I don't quite understand the over-the-top love Bradley Cooper has gotten for this role. He was entertaining in it, but he was basically just giving a performance he's given many times before (dating all the way back to Wedding Crashers). As far as supporting performances in the movie go, I thought Penn did more interesting work, Safdie did more interesting work, Joseph Cross did more interesting work, and the MVP of the whole damn movie was Harriet Sansom Harris.
Plus Bradley is in the movie for all of what, 5 minutes?
Honestly, JK Simmons is hardly in his movie for much longer (just more spread throughout) and was nominated
Quote from: Drill on February 08, 2022, 01:22:01 PM
Well, this should definitely keep him in business with MGM.
Maybe. If De Luca moves on not convinced MGM would hang on to Paul... maybe if he won director or picture?
Not sure how they're planning the Oscar ceremony this year, but it would not surprise me to see Hoffman and Haim come out as presenters for one of the below-the-line awards.
I'd enjoy that. Would feel like a win-win--especially if they were natural and charming and having fun (as opposed to a stiff teleprompter reading). It would give the film a little boost as well, I would think. (I'll bet Alana getting to present an Oscar would help make up for not being nominated...)
By any measure, an astounding debut for Haim. If you had said a year ago that she'd win a half-dozen critics' awards, land a BAFTA nomination and be in the conversation for a Best Actress Oscar nomination straight through the eve of the nominations, you'd likely be laughed out of the room.
It remains to be seen if she'll be a one-hit wonder. This was a role written for her and directed by the man I consider to be the best current director of actors on the planet.
But regardless of whether she goes on to star in a dozen major films or simply fades back to being a pop star, what you can't take away is that this was a Oscar-worthy performance. Don't know if anyone else makes this comparison, but it reminds me a bit of Faye Wong in Chungking Express.
Alana will be his Shelley Duvall but without doing a Shining with someone else lol
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 08, 2022, 06:17:08 PM
By any measure, an astounding debut for Haim. If you had said a year ago that she'd win a half-dozen critics' awards, land a BAFTA nomination and be in the conversation for a Best Actress Oscar nomination straight through the eve of the nominations, you'd likely be laughed out of the room.
It remains to be seen if she'll be a one-hit wonder. This was a role written for her and directed by the man I consider to be the best current director of actors on the planet.
But regardless of whether she goes on to star in a dozen major films or simply fades back to being a pop star, what you can't take away is that this was a Oscar-worthy performance.
Very well put. :bravo:
Quote from: Find Your Magali on February 08, 2022, 06:17:08 PM
By any measure, an astounding debut for Haim. If you had said a year ago that she'd win a half-dozen critics' awards, land a BAFTA nomination and be in the conversation for a Best Actress Oscar nomination straight through the eve of the nominations, you'd likely be laughed out of the room.
It remains to be seen if she'll be a one-hit wonder. This was a role written for her and directed by the man I consider to be the best current director of actors on the planet.
But regardless of whether she goes on to star in a dozen major films or simply fades back to being a pop star, what you can't take away is that this was a Oscar-worthy performance. Don't know if anyone else makes this comparison, but it reminds me a bit of Faye Wong in Chungking Express.
Remember when the first photo of Alana and Cooper in the truck were leaked, and we were all trying to figure out if that even *was* Alana, and a lot of dread of "Oh no, he cast Haim" was shared? Boy how things have changed.
Not that much for me. :yabbse-grin: But Alana wasn't bad outside of a few forced lines reading, she was totally game.
I would've thought that the fact this is MGM's first Best Picture contender in decades, plus the acclaim, plus the not-too-disastrous box office returns (factoring in the relative fortunes of other similar releases during the pandemic) means that the studio would be inclined to work with PTA again, especially if they need 'quality content' for their deal with Amazon. But what do I know.
Two interesting Oscars trivia:
-LP became the fourth film in history to be nominated only for Picture, Directing and Screenplay. The previous three are Bad Girl ('31), Little Women ('33) and 12 Angry Men ('57). Note that these films were nominated for Adapted Screenplay.
-PTA became the youngest filmmaker alive (b. 1970) to reach 3 nominations for Best Director. Jason Reitman (b. 1977) has 2.
Interesting. I didn't suspect that it was that rare for a movie to only get these three nominations.
And I guess PTA is slightly better than Jason Reitman, then. :ponder:
Quote from: Drenk on February 09, 2022, 06:13:19 AM
Interesting. I didn't suspect that it was that rare for a movie to only get these three nominations.
And I guess PTA is slightly better than Jason Reitman, then. :ponder:
ah drenk your negativity has been missed :yabbse-grin:
There's no negativity in this post. The first line is a fact: this is interesting. The second line is a joke.
There is negativity in the precedent message where I say that Alana Haim is an average actress who's only Oscar worthy because Emma Stone received one. Not that being Oscar worthy is a good thing.
She's only oscar-worthy because Emma Stone received one? What does that mean? That Stone lowered the bar or something?
Quote from: pynchonikon on February 09, 2022, 06:10:40 AM
Two interesting Oscars trivia:
-LP became the fourth film in history to be nominated only for Picture, Directing and Screenplay. The previous three are Bad Girl ('31), Little Women ('33) and 12 Angry Men ('57). Note that these films were nominated for Adapted Screenplay.
-PTA became the youngest filmmaker alive (b. 1970) to reach 3 nominations for Best Director. Jason Reitman (b. 1977) has 2.
Interesting stat.
Here's How Each Best-Picture Nominee Could Win an Oscar (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/09/movies/best-picture-nominee-oscar.html)
"Belfast" and "The Power of the Dog" will probably face off for the top prize, but each contender has a path to other statuettes. We explain.
'Licorice Pizza'
Any best-picture nominee that also picks up director and screenplay nods is doing something right, but I'm a little surprised that's all "Licorice Pizza" has to work with. Previous Paul Thomas Anderson movies like "Phantom Thread," "There Will Be Blood," "The Master" and "Boogie Nights" earned plenty of nominations for their cast members, but the "Licorice Pizza" lead Alana Haim and its showy supporting actor Bradley Cooper didn't manage to punch through. None of the film's below-the-line department heads were recognized, either.
With eight previous nominations and no wins, the writer-director Anderson is one of Hollywood's most overdue figures to take home an Oscar, but he'll need a film with more across-the-board support if he wants a shot at best picture.
Likeliest win: Best original screenplay.
Quote from: Drenk on February 09, 2022, 03:39:31 AM
Not that much for me. :yabbse-grin: But Alana wasn't bad outside of a few forced lines reading, she was totally game.
None of her lines felt forced to me, but I also didn't necessarily think she gave a Best Actress performance. (Which isn't to say I think she gave a performance any more flawed than the Best Actress nominees, just that this wasn't exactly a character that required an Oscar bait-y performance.)
alana is probably my favorite performance of the year and is a better performance than every Actress nominee. A near career low for Colman. Colman and Cruz.. fine.
Only few Lead performances approached Alana for me: Reinsve in Worst Person is one. Krieps in Bergman Island was great. Waterston in World to Come. Tilda was tremendous in Memoria but I think the 2nd half of that film is too much of a gear shift for that character.
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 10, 2022, 01:45:29 AM
Quote from: Drenk on February 09, 2022, 03:39:31 AM
Not that much for me. :yabbse-grin: But Alana wasn't bad outside of a few forced lines reading, she was totally game.
None of her lines felt forced to me, but I also didn't necessarily think she gave a Best Actress performance. (Which isn't to say I think she gave a performance any more flawed than the Best Actress nominees, just that this wasn't exactly a character that required an Oscar bait-y performance.)
thats the thing though oscar baity performances SHOULDNT win. Alana gave a great performance that was saying " hey look at me we arent i great please give me the oscar".
I used the phrase 'Oscar bait-y' because I was sleepy and couldn't think of a more appropriate phrase at the time. Now it's morning, I'm under-caffeinated, and still can't think of the right phrase. But 'Oscar bait-y' doesn't really accurately reflect what I meant.
I'm fully on board that she's deserving of Best Actress nom. And she'd *probably* get my vote for the win, too. It just didn't seem like a performance that actually *would* win.
Quote from: Rooty Poots on February 10, 2022, 12:19:15 PM
I used the phrase 'Oscar bait-y' because I was sleepy and couldn't think of a more appropriate phrase at the time. Now it's morning, I'm under-caffeinated, and still can't think of the right phrase. But 'Oscar bait-y' doesn't really accurately reflect what I meant.
I'm fully on board that she's deserving of Best Actress nom. And she'd *probably* get my vote for the win, too. It just didn't seem like a performance that actually *would* win.
Oh of course it's not the type that would win. It will be Chastain or kidman for their generic biopic 'look at me arent I amazing" roles.
Yhe only hope is steart wins for actually giving a more interesting performance then those 2.
Paul wins BAFTAs best original screenplay!
https://twitter.com/thr/status/1503085836543442949
Do we dare get our hopes up a little?
(To embed the tweet.)
https://twitter.com/Screendaily/status/1503085792549351436
Jonny and Alana's speech:
https://twitter.com/bafta/status/1503105456155373576
Screenplay Oscar was always Branagh vs PTA.. but Belfast has underperformed everywhere. Next week is WGA but Belfast is not nominated because it wasn't eligible. So PTA should win that (pending an upset by King Richard), which might do it. I was worried of Worst Person stealing some highbrow votes but Belfast just seems too weak a contender
Quote from: Yes on March 13, 2022, 04:21:49 PMScreenplay Oscar was always Branagh vs PTA.. but Belfast has underperformed everywhere. Next week is WGA but Belfast is not nominated because it wasn't eligible. So PTA should win that (pending an upset by King Richard), which might do it. I was worried of Worst Person stealing some highbrow votes but Belfast just seems too weak a contender
What do you think the films chances at critics choice tonight are ?
Quote from: DickHardwood2022 on March 13, 2022, 04:46:19 PMQuote from: Yes on March 13, 2022, 04:21:49 PMScreenplay Oscar was always Branagh vs PTA.. but Belfast has underperformed everywhere. Next week is WGA but Belfast is not nominated because it wasn't eligible. So PTA should win that (pending an upset by King Richard), which might do it. I was worried of Worst Person stealing some highbrow votes but Belfast just seems too weak a contender
He should win Screenplay. I'd be a bit surprised if he lost it. He attended the ceremony instead of BAFTA and the critics choice are merely Oscar predictors
What do you think the films chances at critics choice tonight are ?
Nevermind PTA lost the Critic Choice
Quote from: Drill on March 13, 2022, 02:22:19 PMDo we dare get our hopes up a little?
I guess not.
Was he even there?
Remember in general European film awards like PTA better than American film awards. I still don't but it winning best screenplay at the Oscars.
https://twitter.com/Lulamaybelle/status/1503185561900650501
https://twitter.com/thefilmstage/status/1504270945971748867
https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/status/1505414998025146368
PTA lost the WGA to Don't Look Up of all things. There goes the Oscar hopes.
Oscar will be Belfast or Don't Look Up.
Maybe wrongright got the last laugh after all
At least I don't have to watch now.
He is too good for the Oscars.
Quote from: Yes on March 20, 2022, 07:43:24 PMPTA lost the WGA to Don't Look Up of all things. There goes the Oscar hopes.
Oscar will be Belfast or Don't Look Up.
Maybe wrongright got the last laugh after all
Anything but Don't Look Up. McKay's chokehold on a large faction of academy members is so confounding.
Quote from: ©brad on March 22, 2022, 10:37:30 AMQuote from: Yes on March 20, 2022, 07:43:24 PMPTA lost the WGA to Don't Look Up of all things. There goes the Oscar hopes.
Oscar will be Belfast or Don't Look Up.
Maybe wrongright got the last laugh after all
Anything but Don't Look Up. McKay's chokehold on a large faction of academy members is so confounding.
It is honestly embarrassing what a lot of film industry folk vote for during awards season. Still, I guess it helps to explain the current state of Hollywood!
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 22, 2022, 11:22:30 AMIt is honestly embarrassing what a lot of film industry folk vote for during awards season. Still, I guess it helps to explain the current state of Hollywood!
Not from Hollywood myself but I'm frequently astounded at the amount of "industry professionals" who seem to not really like cinema as an art form nor are interested in cultivating a refined taste in the medium.
Quite a lot of people I know in the industry over here loved Don't look Up, and engaged on endless facebook discussions on it's "message" and "fantastic screenplay", as if the subject matter gave the film instant validation.
I've been in film sets and writers rooms where some very respected and well paid pros barely watch movies outside of whatever Netflix or Hbo Max are telling them to watch. I'm not shocked anymore when the guilds vote for crowdpleasers instead of more artsy stuff. Truth to be told many of these guys resent artsy films and their directors.
That's why PTA is more of a critic's filmmaker, people with the disposition and patience to dig into his stuff and find it's value. A lot of the professionals don't really "get" what the fuss is about not only with LP but with his whole career.
It's been a weird Oscar season. Too drawn out, allowing for multiple surges of momentum and ebbs and flows of support.
I suspect that if the nominations were done today, PTA wouldn't even get the Best Direction nomination. So at least there's the consolation that he got three more nominations notched in his impressive career belt.
Right now, I suspect he's sitting behind both McKay and Branagh for the win, as the Academy members decide whether they want the virtue-signaling of honoring Branagh's career or McKay's climate change movie.
Quote from: Alexandro on March 22, 2022, 12:21:17 PMQuote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 22, 2022, 11:22:30 AMIt is honestly embarrassing what a lot of film industry folk vote for during awards season. Still, I guess it helps to explain the current state of Hollywood!
Not from Hollywood myself but I'm frequently astounded at the amount of "industry professionals" who seem to not really like cinema as an art form nor are interested in cultivating a refined taste in the medium.
Quite a lot of people I know in the industry over here loved Don't look Up, and engaged on endless facebook discussions on it's "message" and "fantastic screenplay", as if the subject matter gave the film instant validation.
I've been in film sets and writers rooms where some very respected and well paid pros barely watch movies outside of whatever Netflix or Hbo Max are telling them to watch. I'm not shocked anymore when the guilds vote for crowdpleasers instead of more artsy stuff. Truth to be told many of these guys resent artsy films and their directors.
That's why PTA is more of a critic's filmmaker, people with the disposition and patience to dig into his stuff and find it's value. A lot of the professionals don't really "get" what the fuss is about not only with LP but with his whole career.
Very enlightening thoughts that we should always keep in mind.
Since he still manages to gather noms there must be a considerable amount of respect for him among the industry, but never enough passion to go all the way.
Hopefully he will soon have the Departed-moment (in the sense of overdue narrative) of his career, when he will be too undeniable to be disregarded.
PTA just doesn't make zeitgeist films or movies that are emotionally accessible to broad consensus.
The industry throws itself over CODA, a film with a social conscious about an underrepresented community. Adam McKay has a chokehold on the industry for insisting he's the new Oliver Stone/Michael Moore--making "important" films that appease the liberalism of Hollywood.
But truly what bothers me the most is this fake overdue narrative surrounding Kenneth Branagh of all people. Belfast is a completely insular period piece yet there's a seemingly large sentiment of people believing it's time to finally give Branagh his due.. for what? Working 40 years in Hollywood? Directing less than 3 good movies? Stroking off to Shakespeare? How the industry would find the director of Artemis Fowl more rewarding of consolation than the director of Boogie Nights and There Will Be Blood says all you need to know about awards? But that's just how it's always been.
Quote from: Yes on March 22, 2022, 03:31:26 PMPTA just doesn't make zeitgeist films or movies that are emotionally accessible to broad consensus.
The industry throws itself over CODA, a film with a social conscious about an underrepresented community. Adam McKay has a chokehold on the industry for insisting he's the new Oliver Stone/Michael Moore--making "important" films that appease the liberalism of Hollywood.
But truly what bothers me the most is this fake overdue narrative surrounding Kenneth Branagh of all people. Belfast is a completely insular period piece yet there's a seemingly large sentiment of people believing it's time to finally give Branagh his due.. for what? Working 40 years in Hollywood? Directing less than 3 good movies? Stroking off to Shakespeare? How the industry would find the director of Artemis Fowl more rewarding of consolation than the director of Boogie Nights and There Will Be Blood says all you need to know about awards? But that's just how it's always been.
I have the feeling from the early screenings' reactions and the NBR awards, that there was the "it's his time" willingness at the beginning of the season. Then more people actually saw the film, Twitter found out what it's really about, things got ugly, and we know the rest. Branagh and his basic oscar bait on the other hand have been the pundits' darling all these months.
The BAFTA screenplay win has to do simply with the fact that the reception in Europe was much warmer than in the US.
Quote from: pynchonikon on March 22, 2022, 05:43:26 PMQuote from: Yes on March 22, 2022, 03:31:26 PMPTA just doesn't make zeitgeist films or movies that are emotionally accessible to broad consensus.
The industry throws itself over CODA, a film with a social conscious about an underrepresented community. Adam McKay has a chokehold on the industry for insisting he's the new Oliver Stone/Michael Moore--making "important" films that appease the liberalism of Hollywood.
But truly what bothers me the most is this fake overdue narrative surrounding Kenneth Branagh of all people. Belfast is a completely insular period piece yet there's a seemingly large sentiment of people believing it's time to finally give Branagh his due.. for what? Working 40 years in Hollywood? Directing less than 3 good movies? Stroking off to Shakespeare? How the industry would find the director of Artemis Fowl more rewarding of consolation than the director of Boogie Nights and There Will Be Blood says all you need to know about awards? But that's just how it's always been.
I have the feeling from the early screenings' reactions and the NBR awards, that there was the "it's his time" willingness at the beginning of the season. Then more people actually saw the film, Twitter found out what it's really about, things got ugly, and we know the rest. Branagh and his basic oscar bait on the other hand have been the pundits' darling all these months.
The BAFTA screenplay win has to do simply with the fact that the reception in Europe was much warmer than in the US.
Twitter reactions have no impact on how people vote. Literally zero. Social media is so divorced from the industry and reality. Adam McKay wouldn't win SAG if true, every actor and film in history would be canceled. Jane Campion would be shut out on Sunday for her Williams Sisters remark if Twitter influenced awards. And the movie made almost every guild it could have, except the Costume. PGA + DGA + WGA + ADG + ACE and Cooper hit SAG. I wouldn't say the European reception is much better when the broad American guilds say otherwise. Hollywood just likes to vote for movies that "matter" to them. Always have. Career/narrative/overdue wins are so rare, as is. Glenn Close would have won for Hillbilly Elegy or The Wife if true. Scorsese wouldn't have waited until Departed.
I've seen that anonymous producer's Oscar ballot reactions doing the rounds. Not much about Licorice Pizza, but their comments on Drive My Car, among other things, only reinforced my opinion about some Hollywood industry people. They apparently seem to think that it had no business being nominated for Best Picture purely because it's Japanese... Astonishing, really, that this is still a way of viewing cinema, engaged in by professionals, in the year 2022.
I'm sure that specific spirit is alive in the industry, but the anonymous ballot is also, in my opinion, a bit—they know what's expected of them and therefore indulge their audience.
I'm not sure pretending to be a little bit bigoted for one's imagined audience is any better, really.
Those in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.
Quote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.
PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.
If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone
Quote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.
PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.
If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone
He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off.
I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.
Quote from: jviness02 on March 24, 2022, 12:56:30 AMQuote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.
PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.
If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone
He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off.
I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.
Belfast, I at least anticipated it would win BP which yeah, understandable. Horrible, of course. But ok.
Screenplay, I thought they'd have the dignity to pass on. Other than Green Book recently, Screenplay has become the place to throw a bone to the cool choice or auteur who will never win Director or Picture..Spike Jonze, James Ivory, Tarantino. Jojo Rabbit sucks but people love Taika and that's a "weird" high-concept comedy that I understand why writers would appreciate (despite the lack of taste). Belfast just did not seem like something writers who backed, like, Promising Young Woman and Get Out would respond to. Once Belfast began losing steam and flopping and fading I assumed the moment passed, yet here we are
Quote from: jviness02 on March 24, 2022, 12:56:30 AMQuote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.
PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.
If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone
He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off.
I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.
As an aside, regarding the bit about PTA having a reputation for being private and not an 'industry personality', it is amusing to imagine how thoughtful, quiet-seeming individuals like PTA, the Coens, Christopher Nolan etc tactfully negotiate their dealings with the kind of loudmouth Hollywood insider asshole that anonymous Oscar ballot conjures up. You must have to learn how to compose a fantastic poker face.
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 24, 2022, 07:54:58 AMQuote from: jviness02 on March 24, 2022, 12:56:30 AMQuote from: Yes on March 23, 2022, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: jviness02 on March 23, 2022, 07:31:31 PMThose in the industry don't automatically have impeccable taste, yes. However, it also needs to be state that these awards are given by their peers. It's a popularity contest. I don't mean that in an overly pessimistic way, either, but people will literally vote for their neighbors over someone else not simply because it's their neighbor, but they are blinded by how good their work is because it's their neighbor.
PTA is loved, he's friends with Apatow and Spielberg. Peers with QT and Nolan. He and Maya are connected to the comedy guys. He has 11 nominations from the Oscars. You'd think he'd have enough support from his buddies by now to win.
If he can't beat out a stupid Kenneth Branagh movie that's so insular and niche and lost almost everything... if he can't beat out Adam McKay who has already won and made his most mocked and unsubtle movie yet.. hard to imagine his contemporaries and friends would ever rally to throw him a bone
He also has a reputation for being a very private guy who's not an "industry" personality and who doesn't play the awards game. I think there is just as much going against him as for him from the peers aspect. Plus, his films are normally more obtuse than the average film which is always going to turn a section of people off.
I'd love for him to win, but I also don't think this particular moment has shaped up any easier for him to win. Belfast sucks, but it's the exact kind of movie that has won boat loads of Oscars for years. We all assumed it would win months ago. I think the only reason we got hopeful was because Belfast unexpected lack of success during the other awards and the new favorite(POTD) not being in the same category. I really don't think DLU will win. I will be very shocked if McKay wins a second Oscar.
As an aside, regarding the bit about PTA having a reputation for being private and not an 'industry personality', it is amusing to imagine how thoughtful, quiet-seeming individuals like PTA, the Coens, Christopher Nolan etc tactfully negotiate their dealings with the kind of loudmouth Hollywood insider asshole that anonymous Oscar ballot conjures up. You must have to learn how to compose a fantastic poker face.
That 2007 Oscars with Coens sweeping for No Country For Old Men truly one for the record books. Especially with PTA in the mix. they did win for Fargo a decade prior, but a clean sweep and BP? With consensus voting nowadays, good luck
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 24, 2022, 07:54:58 AMAs an aside, regarding the bit about PTA having a reputation for being private and not an 'industry personality', it is amusing to imagine how thoughtful, quiet-seeming individuals like PTA, the Coens, Christopher Nolan etc tactfully negotiate their dealings with the kind of loudmouth Hollywood insider asshole that anonymous Oscar ballot conjures up. You must have to learn how to compose a fantastic poker face.
They can be ruthless in their own ways. The Coens aside, I've heard or read stories of pretty much every major director's "strong temper", to say the least. They don't behave like that all the time of course, but you don't get to make films with such artistic integrity and impose your will like that just by poker facing when encountering resistance. Sometimes they have to push really hard to get their way.
Who thinks that Will Smith is a secret Licorice Pizza fan making the selfless decision to shift The Discourse away from said picture?
Quote from: RudyBlatnoyd on March 28, 2022, 08:57:19 AMWho thinks that Will Smith is a secret Licorice Pizza fan making the selfless decision to shift The Discourse away from said picture?
He's a showman. It's what he's meant to do.
Seemed to also resemble Daniel slapping Eli.
"I'm going to bury you underground Eli. Keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth."