they can be good movies, and they can be liked by good people, but just somehow you have noticed a trend of assholes liking them.
BE A SNOB AND LIST
the rock - that's like every meathead's favorite movie
shawshank redemption - it's like the da vinci code of favorite movies
big fat greek wedding
lets see how long this one lasts
Reservoir Dogs
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels
American Beauty
A Clockwork Orange
American Pie
Fight Club
boondock saints -- end of story -- they think its wicked
Although I like most of the movies on this list, it seems that everyone's a "movie buff" if they've seen...
Trainspotting - "So trippy, man!"
Requiem For A Dream - "It's so underground."
Fight Club - "The fights in that movie are so cool."
Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill or Reservoir Dogs - "He's the best director of the 90's!"
Donnie Darko - "It's so Indy."
Matrix series - "Messes with your head, man!"
And then the obvious...
Fast and the Furious, 2Fast 2Furious, You Got Served, Torque, Wrong Turn, things of that nature...
"taking lives" was very popular with the portuguese assholes
When I saw the Donnie Darko screening, there were two asshole jocks sitting next to me. They obviously were fans of the movie, since they were able to quote the dialogue along with the characters -- which they did only on lines like 'go suck a fuck' and any pejorative directed towards Cherita. But after a while they just got sort of quiet. And then at the end, one of them started singing along really softly to the Mad World. It was odd and made me think that they probably were sensitive guys on the inside, far beneath their overwhelming jock facade.
magnolia.
waking life.
mulholland drive.
Ah, too many hours at a video store certainly showed me this:
- Snatch (I can't count the number of times this movie was stolen as well)
- Office Space
- Bowling for Columbine
- Rushmore
- Bourne Identity
So basically, assholes like a lot of the same movies we like, plus the Boondock Saints.
Napoleon Dynamite
Assholes just like a lot of movies for the wrong reasons. Fight Club, American Beauty, and A Clockwork Orange, to name three. I wouldn't be surprised if some girl (or guy) claims to like The Brown Bunny because "that chick from KIDS sucks him off and you can totally see it!"
A lot of movies on these lists are suspect, though. What the hell's wrong with Waking Life? And how could you like that for the wrong reason, or like that and be an asshole?
Team America
How can I forget all things gangster related?
- The Godfather
- Scarface
- American Me (gotta live in a Mexican area to see this)
- The Sopranos (yeah, it's TV, but it still applies)
Animal House
Why do I dislike this thread?
Looks like I'm a real asshole. Yall have named some of my favorite movies. :wink:
Quote from: CinephileWhy do I dislike this thread?
'Cause pete started it.
I think it has to do with the post above you. :shock:
Quote from: CinephileI think it has to do with the post above you. :shock:
No, it's pete.
we need the definition of 'asshole' somewhere too... cause I like most of the movies mentioned before... maybe I'm an asshole... but so are most of you... ... ... ...
How about, "Good movies assholes like for the wrong reasons".
Quote from: Withnail & GarfunkelHow about, "Good movies assholes like for the wrong reasons".
Quote from: ono.Assholes just like a lot of movies for the wrong reasons.
:yabbse-thumbup:
what are the correct reasons for liking a movie then?
Quote from: Small Town LonerLooks like I'm a real asshole. Yall have named some of my favorite movies. :wink:
Why is this confusing? It's not
you like these movies, therefore you are an asshole... it's
you are an asshole, therefore you like [our would like] these movies.
I normally hate cultural grouping and cultural warefare (which is what the first statement is), but this is kind of different. There may be some innate quality in the asshole that attaches him to these movies for the wrong reasons.
HALF BAKED
Quote from: El DuderinoHALF BAKED
:yabbse-thumbup:
Quote from: cronopiowhat are the correct reasons for liking a movie then?
Well, duh. Whatever the Xixax consensus is.
boondock saints
Quote from: cowboykurtisboondock saints
Yeah, you said that 6 hours ago.
Don't you ever feel the need to add little squares here and there?
Anyway, I think this thread lost its potency after the first mention of Boondock.
boondock saints II
dude, I started this thread to be a snob, but then some people totally took it the next level, and then people started reacting with "but ask yourself, WHO are you really?" and that kinda deep thinking. I started this thread because some asshole guy I knew said he loved The Rock, and then it reminded me of all the other meatheads who loved The Rock, so I was like, I bet there are quite a few movies out there like that.
nevermind.
oh, and macguffin, I'd love to meet you in person some time in some bar. we'll pretend we don't know each other. I'll buy you a drink, you'll graciously nod, we'll make a couple of jokes about your weight problem. we'll both get silent 'cause I thought I'd made one joke too many. Then I'll whisper "relax guy, I'm just busting your balls." You'll in turn, whisper, "why not bust them at my place?" and then we can leave together. HOT SEX ON A STORMY NIGHT. Steam will rise from your asshole like a chimney, like a manhole in manhattan. Then to top the night off, I'll take a dozen movies out, and ask your asshole one by one, if you like each of the movies. I can't wait.
Wait, is macguffin gay or something?
Quote from: StefenWait, is macguffin gay or something?
No, I've slept with him as well...
Shut up Thrindle. IDIOT.
Quote from: StefenShut up Thrindle. IDIOT.
You're just sad you aren't on my list. 8)
It's funny cause you have a list. :shock:
Quote from: CinephileIt's funny cause you have a list. :shock:
It's funny you would care.
Quote from: ono.Quote from: Withnail & GarfunkelHow about, "Good movies assholes like for the wrong reasons".
Quote from: ono.Assholes just like a lot of movies for the wrong reasons.
:yabbse-thumbup:
This is the fucking best!
you guys are narrow-minded to even think your criteria for liking movies is superior to anyone else’s. i like talking/arguing film but this is just ridiculous, the utter hypocrisy of the message board is so transparent it puts a smile on my face.
how about this one: "Bad movies, that snobs like for the same reasons they accuse Jocks for liking them, yet they create their own deep meaning that doesn't actually exist in the context of said films; they do this so they can feel too-cool-for-christmas." (look to the most recent Wes Anderson thread for the meaning of this phrase) Now that's a thread.
ie: fight club, clockwork orange (when push meets shove, ain't nothin' but shock value)
-sl-
Quote from: ThrindleIt's funny you would care.
I don't need to care to make a simple observation that you have a shopping list of people to sleep with. 8)
Quote from: CinephileQuote from: ThrindleIt's funny you would care.
I don't need to care to make a simple observation that you have a shopping list of people to sleep with. 8)
No no... I'm pursuing my slut persona, given by Stefen. It's not who I WANT to sleep with, it's who I HAVE slept with.
Quote from: ThrindleQuote from: StefenShut up Thrindle. IDIOT.
You're just sad you aren't on my list. 8)
Yeah, well, you're on mine. "FAT CHICKS MACGUFFIN HAS BANGED"
Quote from: StefenQuote from: ThrindleQuote from: StefenShut up Thrindle. IDIOT.
You're just sad you aren't on my list. 8)
Yeah, well, you're on mine. "FAT CHICKS MACGUFFIN HAS BANGED"
And you're on the "Ugly guys I wouldn't fuck" list.
haha, you just used like 200 words to say "I'm an asshole."
I wonder if my hair will perm like pubic hair when I put my finger in your socket.
Quote from: socketlevelQuote from: ono.Quote from: Withnail & GarfunkelHow about, "Good movies assholes like for the wrong reasons".
Quote from: ono.Assholes just like a lot of movies for the wrong reasons.
:yabbse-thumbup:
This is the fucking best!
you guys are narrow-minded to even think your criteria for liking movies is superior to anyone else's. i like talking/arguing film but this is just ridiculous, the utter hypocrisy of the message board is so transparent it puts a smile on my face.
how about this one: "Bad movies, that snobs like for the same reasons they accuse Jocks for liking them, yet they create their own deep meaning that doesn't actually exist in the context of said films; they do this so they can feel too-cool-for-christmas." (look to the most recent Wes Anderson thread for the meaning of this phrase) Now that's a thread.
ie: fight club, clockwork orange (when push meets shove, ain't nothin' but shock value)
Quote from: socketlevelThis is the fucking best!
Yes. Yes it is.
Quote from: socketlevelyou guys are narrow-minded to even think your criteria for liking movies is superior to anyone else's.
No. No we're not.
Quote from: socketlevelie: fight club, clockwork orange (when push meets shove, ain't nothin' but shock value)
No. No they aren't. Try one of the best of the 90s, and one of the best of the 70s, both with messages much more complex than shock value. Problem is, a lot of people (like you) like them (or hate them) for the wrong reasons. Like shock value. Thank you, drive through.
Quote from: socketlevelyou guys are narrow-minded to even think your criteria for liking movies is superior to anyone else's. i like talking/arguing film but this is just ridiculous, the utter hypocrisy of the message board is so transparent it puts a smile on my face.
more like SUCKIT level..
no, you just use a venue where these "assholes" have no voice. go to sleep tonight feeling strong that you avoid direct confrontation. why don't you bring up the fact that they're assholes the next time you come across one.
didn't think so.
-sl-
Quote from: Cinephilemore like SUCKIT level..
Thrindles height.
but you're talking.
Quote from: socketlevelno, you just use a venue where these "assholes" have no voice.
Quote from: StefenQuote from: Cinephilemore like SUCKIT level..
Thrindles height.
Uh oh, this takes self deprecation to a new level. shit.
Quote from: ono.Quote from: socketlevelThis is the fucking best!
Yes. Yes it is.
Quote from: socketlevelyou guys are narrow-minded to even think your criteria for liking movies is superior to anyone else’s.
No. No we're not.
Quote from: socketlevelie: fight club, clockwork orange (when push meets shove, ain't nothin' but shock value)
No. No they aren't. Try one of the best of the 90s, and one of the best of the 70s, both with messages much more complex than shock value. Problem is, a lot of people (like you) like them (or hate them) for the wrong reasons. Like shock value. Thank you, drive through.
thruth is i hate them both
-sl-
Quote from: petebut you're talking.
Quote from: socketlevelno, you just use a venue where these "assholes" have no voice.
and you're shitting out of your mouth
-sl-
jealous?
a bit.
-sl-
KISS MEEE.
Quote from: socketlevel
and you're shitting out of your mouth
-sl-
can this be locked now?
i feel like crying a lot
hahaa. I get a kick out of this thread.
Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobAlthough I like most of the movies on this list, it seems that everyone's a "movie buff" if they've seen...
That's it right there. People will be all tough and say, "I like good movies. I'm a big fan of movies." and they'll list films like American Beauty, Donnie Darko, and Fight Club then think they've seen all the good films....cause theres only three, you know.
Quote from: peteoh, and macguffin, I'd love to meet you in person some time in some bar. we'll pretend we don't know each other. I'll buy you a drink, you'll graciously nod, we'll make a couple of jokes about your weight problem. we'll both get silent 'cause I thought I'd made one joke too many. Then I'll whisper "relax guy, I'm just busting your balls." You'll in turn, whisper, "why not bust them at my place?" and then we can leave together. HOT SEX ON A STORMY NIGHT. Steam will rise from your asshole like a chimney, like a manhole in manhattan. Then to top the night off, I'll take a dozen movies out, and ask your asshole one by one, if you like each of the movies. I can't wait.
Silly, pete. My chimney's flue exits soot, not accepts it. Find another shaft to sweep. And my manhole doesn't deal in sewage, so you can drip your pipe down another drain.
I find it hilarious that pete's coming on to Mac, Thrindle and Stefen are flirting and socket gets stormed, all intertwining on the same page.
Of, and for the record, I do tell these people to their face that I think they've got a shallow and easy way of interpreting these films. What fun would this thread be if we didn't call these people assholes and wrong? Like ono pointed out, you turned out to be a perfect example yourself. Hit a soft spot, did we?
truly ekzellent thread.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanReservoir Dogs
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels (+ Snatch)
American Beauty
A Clockwork Orange (clearly why kubrick banned it)
American Pie History X
Fight Club
YES. that is it right there.
i would like to add..
-entrapment
-recent horror remakes (TCM, DotD)
-Boogie Nights (and they always hate magnolia)
-Next Friday (not the original)
-Lord of the Rings movies
-TRAFFIC
-Braveheart
-Sixth Sense
-Kibble 1/2
-RUN LOLA RUN
-Shrek 2 (possibly 1)
-Lost In Translation
-GLADIATOR
-GLADIATOR
-GLADIATOR
i adamantly agree with both lists, especially gladiator.
also-
braveheart
goodfellas
observation: wow, even assholes hate brett ratner.
all of the jerry bruckheimer produced movies directed by michael asshole bay
all of the jerry bruckheimer and don simpson produced movies directed by some assholes
the austin powers movies
full metal jacket
monster's ball
scarface
:turn-l:
Garden State.
Varsity Blues
The Punisher
Anything with Marlon Wayans
Anyone with a Scarface shirt is an asshole.
Do we already have a thread about movies people like for the wrong reasons?
When did everyone start hating Thrindle?
Don't answer that, MacGuffin.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: Chest RockwellWhen did everyone start hating Thrindle?
Don't answer that, MacGuffin.
:cry:
Did somebody say Belly?
Quote from: Chest RockwellWhen did everyone start hating Thrindle?
Chest "I've been living under a" Rockwell.
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv368%2Fmongo8780%2FSIMPSOWNED.jpg&hash=12a7188b7c69ba68dae6913c2d6db44c8d1be965)
Wow. When did the badger manage to crawl up EVERYBODY's asshole? :shock:
Well, there are only three kinds of people: assholes, dicks, and pussies. We can safely say that the members of this board are dicks.
Am I an asshole for referencing Team America (I'll stand by this speech being amazing)?
Quote from: Slick ShoesDid somebody say Belly?
That movie isn't that bad. Okay, it is. But it has awesome cinematography, at least it did when I saw it, it probably changed.
In New Mexico (in the hood, where I am from) everyone is all about Blood In Blood Out: Bound By Honor. "I may be white from the outside, but i am brown from the inside! VATOS LOCOS FOREVER!"
Quote from: Weak2ndActAm I an asshole for referencing Team America (I'll stand by this speech being amazing)?
I don't know, but I'm admiring your previous post which features not only one but two SNL screen captures of a man and a woman going into strange shaking fits.
ENTER THE (lame, but sensible, last-five-minutes-of-Full-House-type) VOICE OF REASON
It's not that these people are "assholes;" it's that they're simple-minded towards movies. They make a shallow connection with movies that we can understand on a deeper level (not to be conceded, but we DO know more about movies--we simply pay more attention to movies than most people do), whether that might be a level of love, hate, or indifference.
Take American Beauty. Now, I can watch that and there's a connection that forms between me and the movie. I can appreciate it on multiple, deeper levels. But after that connection forms, it becomes personal. It was an experience that I shared with that movie. But then if I talk to someone who likes the movie for what I sense to be shallow reasons, I get upset. Although Fight Club would be a better example, because many more people like that movie for many more shallow reasons. Same goes for Donnie Darko (because it's "edgy, indie, gothy, etc."), even though I didn't like that movie that much.
Then you get movies like Garden State, which become popular with kids and you can see that it's because, well... the movie was made for kids. It's cuz it has the same music that the kids listen to and young people dealing with young people situations in a young, "emo" way. I don't think people over 40 generally make that much of a connection with that movie. BUT, those reasons for liking a movie are somewhat shallow. So all the kids around here love Garden State and I kinda wanna yell, "That's because you don't know what you're talking about, you emo 'tard. It's a movie about people dealing with uninteresting problems who are just a bit too chic and they come to the final lazy conclusion that 'life is worth living, seize the moment, live life, don't be numb anymore, etc.'" (even though I thought the movie was good--but having all these kids like it makes me much more critical of it because those are shallow reasons to like a movie)
Now, for movies that I love, this is what it feels like: It's like when you fall in love with some beautiful girl, but your friends are just talking about her "hot ass." SOMETIMES this can ruin what you feel for the girl, and sometimes it can make you feel like you're one of the few that really understands or appreciates her. It's similar with movies.
Okay I'm done talking. I was gonna make some better comparisons but I ran out of time.
EDIT:
Okay, I remembered something I wanted to say: Other people's shallow reasons for liking movies cheapens what we feel for movies. And we're justifiably pissed off by that. If you LOVE a movie, and so do some other jerkwads who like it because it's "edgy" or "gory" or "has a lot of cussing and quick camera work," it totally cheapens the purity of the connection that you've made with the movie. It shouldn't--we should be able to rise above all that and simply enjoy what we're able to enjoy--but it does. If a so-so movie is suddenly popular, it cheapens your superior opinion on the film. And let's face that: we know more about movies than the average person. We are movie nerds. That's what we are. So it's valid to say that we know more. MOST people would say that movies are just a form of entertainment, something you do with your buddies on Friday night. These people do not make the same kind of connections with movies that we do. But you and I can't claim cinema as our territory. Cinema is everyone's territory. Everyone watches and has opinions on movies. So when someone says something stupid, and no one else realizes that it's stupid, and there's no one to appreciate your superior knowledge (not necessarily superior opinion), it sucks.
And so we can come on boards like xixax and vent to other people who CAN appreciate that we know movies more than Joe Schmo. Today I heard a couple of girls talking about how awesome Van Helsing is and gave each other high fives. I mean, hey, they enjoyed it and there's no problem with that. But I would've had nothing positive to say to them at that point, so I just kept my mouth shut. And who the eff am I gonna talk to at my high school about Vera Drake? I don't even bring it up, because you know as well as I do that I'm just gonna get a "Vera what?"
Oh, and I have overheard several people busting out the high fives over Boondock Saints. Soooo... yeah.
Quote from: meatballQuote from: Weak2ndActAm I an asshole for referencing Team America (I'll stand by this speech being amazing)?
I don't know, but I'm admiring your previous post which features not only one but two SNL screen captures of a man and a woman going into strange shaking fits.
I take it you've never seen that segment? And yeah, like I said before, that dicks/pussies/assholes speech was the most well-written segment we'll see this year.
Anyway, nail --> :hammer: <-- matt35mm hitting said nail smack dab on the head. Bam!
Quote from: ono.Anyway, nail --> :hammer: <-- matt35mm hitting said nail smack dab on the head. Bam!
(fist pump)
YESSsssss! Validation!
Quote from: matt35mmENTER THE (lame, but sensible, last-five-minutes-of-Full-House-type) VOICE OF REASON
It's not that these people are "assholes;" it's that they're simple-minded towards movies. They make a shallow connection with movies that we can understand on a deeper level (not to be conceded, but we DO know more about movies--we simply pay more attention to movies than most people do), whether that might be a level of love, hate, or indifference.
Take American Beauty. Now, I can watch that and there's a connection that forms between me and the movie. I can appreciate it on multiple, deeper levels. But after that connection forms, it becomes personal. It was an experience that I shared with that movie. But then if I talk to someone who likes the movie for what I sense to be shallow reasons, I get upset. Although Fight Club would be a better example, because many more people like that movie for many more shallow reasons. Same goes for Donnie Darko (because it's "edgy, indie, gothy, etc."), even though I didn't like that movie that much.
Then you get movies like Garden State, which become popular with kids and you can see that it's because, well... the movie was made for kids. It's cuz it has the same music that the kids listen to and young people dealing with young people situations in a young, "emo" way. I don't think people over 40 generally make that much of a connection with that movie. BUT, those reasons for liking a movie are somewhat shallow. So all the kids around here love Garden State and I kinda wanna yell, "That's because you don't know what you're talking about, you emo 'tard. It's a movie about people dealing with uninteresting problems who are just a bit too chic and they come to the final lazy conclusion that 'life is worth living, seize the moment, live life, don't be numb anymore, etc.'" (even though I thought the movie was good--but having all these kids like it makes me much more critical of it because those are shallow reasons to like a movie)
Now, for movies that I love, this is what it feels like: It's like when you fall in love with some beautiful girl, but your friends are just talking about her "hot ass." SOMETIMES this can ruin what you feel for the girl, and sometimes it can make you feel like you're one of the few that really understands or appreciates her. It's similar with movies.
Okay I'm done talking. I was gonna make some better comparisons but I ran out of time.
EDIT:
Okay, I remembered something I wanted to say: Other people's shallow reasons for liking movies cheapens what we feel for movies. And we're justifiably pissed off by that. If you LOVE a movie, and so do some other jerkwads who like it because it's "edgy" or "gory" or "has a lot of cussing and quick camera work," it totally cheapens the purity of the connection that you've made with the movie. It shouldn't--we should be able to rise above all that and simply enjoy what we're able to enjoy--but it does. If a so-so movie is suddenly popular, it cheapens your superior opinion on the film. And let's face that: we know more about movies than the average person. We are movie nerds. That's what we are. So it's valid to say that we know more. MOST people would say that movies are just a form of entertainment, something you do with your buddies on Friday night. These people do not make the same kind of connections with movies that we do. But you and I can't claim cinema as our territory. Cinema is everyone's territory. Everyone watches and has opinions on movies. So when someone says something stupid, and no one else realizes that it's stupid, and there's no one to appreciate your superior knowledge (not necessarily superior opinion), it sucks.
And so we can come on boards like xixax and vent to other people who CAN appreciate that we know movies more than Joe Schmo. Today I heard a couple of girls talking about how awesome Van Helsing is and gave each other high fives. I mean, hey, they enjoyed it and there's no problem with that. But I would've had nothing positive to say to them at that point, so I just kept my mouth shut. And who the eff am I gonna talk to at my high school about Vera Drake? I don't even bring it up, because you know as well as I do that I'm just gonna get a "Vera what?"
Oh, and I have overheard several people busting out the high fives over Boondock Saints. Soooo... yeah.
that was completely unnecessary, why must the thread bend over backwards to explain what is self-explanatory to all but like one person? anyway, well said, but if this thread needs explaining to anyone then they probably don't belong here.
Quote from: StefenIn New Mexico (in the hood, where I am from) everyone is all about Blood In Blood Out: Bound By Honor. "I may be white from the outside, but i am brown from the inside! VATOS LOCOS FOREVER!"
hahah my bro is always quotin shit from that movie.
and WORD to whoever said Monsters Ball. that's a good one.
Kids....and everybody always talks about the part where they beat the guy with the skateboard
assholelist
..i agree w/what everyone said w/ the exception of mulhlndrv
>lost in translation
>requiem for a dream
>saving private ryan
>the doom generation
"the cinematic vapor of godard"
>swordfish
>big daddy, waterboy, billly madison, happy gilmore, little nicky
>wing comander
>clerks/mallrats/jasbsb
>scarface
>wild things
Quote from: NEON MERCURY>clerks/mallrats/jasbsb
The Films of Kevin Smith is more clear/accurate.
Quote from: CinephileQuote from: NEON MERCURY>clerks/mallrats/jasbsb
The Films of Kevin Smith is more clear/accurate.
I hate to name any movie, but I sadly agree with this. His fans generally annoy me and some of my best buddies are his enthusiasts. Chasing Amy is an excellent film, a Criterion and I still refuse to buy it.
Yes... Kevin Smith fans are really the biggest thing that's turned me off from Kevin Smith movies. That and Clerks.
I know a few of these have been said, but this is my personal list that I've piled up.
Donnie Darko
Scarface
Clockwork Orange
Any Wes Anderson movie
Any Quentin Tarantino Movie
Any Slasher flick
Fifth Element
Taxi Driver
Pi and Requiem for a Dream
Usual Suspects
Memento
Napoleon Dynamite
The Matrix (all, including animatrix)
Man on Fire
Elephant
Once Upon A Time in Mexico
Pirates of the Caribbean
Con Air
Armageddon
Independence Day
Team America
Dogville
Tin Drum
Shaun Of The Dead
Mulholland Drive
Un Chien Andalou
Run Lola Run
Almost Famous
Withnail & I
Bride of Frankenstein
Purple Rain
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Amadeus
Shock Corridor
Underground
Out Of The Past
Hedwig and The Angry Inch
Quote from: MacGuffinTeam America
Dogville
Tin Drum
Shaun Of The Dead
Mulholland Drive
Un Chien Andalou
Run Lola Run
Almost Famous
Withnail & I
Bride of Frankenstein
Purple Rain
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Amadeus
Shock Corridor
Underground
Out Of The Past
Hedwig and The Angry Inch
haha, you got that list by just looking at avatars. xixax is a criterion collection of assholes.
Best post ever. :yabbse-thumbup: (Mac's, that is.)
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanYes... Kevin Smith fans are really the biggest thing that's turned me off from Kevin Smith movies. That and Clerks.
i think getting to know kevin smith a bit better (from interviews and whatever) has turned me off of his films. he seems like a cocky fuck.
chasing amy is still the shit though.
-sl-
Quote from: matt35mmENTER THE (lame, but sensible, last-five-minutes-of-Full-House-type) VOICE OF REASON
It's not that these people are "assholes;" it's that they're simple-minded towards movies. They make a shallow connection with movies that we can understand on a deeper level (not to be conceded, but we DO know more about movies--we simply pay more attention to movies than most people do), whether that might be a level of love, hate, or indifference.
Take American Beauty. Now, I can watch that and there's a connection that forms between me and the movie. I can appreciate it on multiple, deeper levels. But after that connection forms, it becomes personal. It was an experience that I shared with that movie. But then if I talk to someone who likes the movie for what I sense to be shallow reasons, I get upset. Although Fight Club would be a better example, because many more people like that movie for many more shallow reasons. Same goes for Donnie Darko (because it's "edgy, indie, gothy, etc."), even though I didn't like that movie that much.
Then you get movies like Garden State, which become popular with kids and you can see that it's because, well... the movie was made for kids. It's cuz it has the same music that the kids listen to and young people dealing with young people situations in a young, "emo" way. I don't think people over 40 generally make that much of a connection with that movie. BUT, those reasons for liking a movie are somewhat shallow. So all the kids around here love Garden State and I kinda wanna yell, "That's because you don't know what you're talking about, you emo 'tard. It's a movie about people dealing with uninteresting problems who are just a bit too chic and they come to the final lazy conclusion that 'life is worth living, seize the moment, live life, don't be numb anymore, etc.'" (even though I thought the movie was good--but having all these kids like it makes me much more critical of it because those are shallow reasons to like a movie)
Now, for movies that I love, this is what it feels like: It's like when you fall in love with some beautiful girl, but your friends are just talking about her "hot ass." SOMETIMES this can ruin what you feel for the girl, and sometimes it can make you feel like you're one of the few that really understands or appreciates her. It's similar with movies.
Okay I'm done talking. I was gonna make some better comparisons but I ran out of time.
EDIT:
Okay, I remembered something I wanted to say: Other people's shallow reasons for liking movies cheapens what we feel for movies. And we're justifiably pissed off by that. If you LOVE a movie, and so do some other jerkwads who like it because it's "edgy" or "gory" or "has a lot of cussing and quick camera work," it totally cheapens the purity of the connection that you've made with the movie. It shouldn't--we should be able to rise above all that and simply enjoy what we're able to enjoy--but it does. If a so-so movie is suddenly popular, it cheapens your superior opinion on the film. And let's face that: we know more about movies than the average person. We are movie nerds. That's what we are. So it's valid to say that we know more. MOST people would say that movies are just a form of entertainment, something you do with your buddies on Friday night. These people do not make the same kind of connections with movies that we do. But you and I can't claim cinema as our territory. Cinema is everyone's territory. Everyone watches and has opinions on movies. So when someone says something stupid, and no one else realizes that it's stupid, and there's no one to appreciate your superior knowledge (not necessarily superior opinion), it sucks.
And so we can come on boards like xixax and vent to other people who CAN appreciate that we know movies more than Joe Schmo. Today I heard a couple of girls talking about how awesome Van Helsing is and gave each other high fives. I mean, hey, they enjoyed it and there's no problem with that. But I would've had nothing positive to say to them at that point, so I just kept my mouth shut. And who the eff am I gonna talk to at my high school about Vera Drake? I don't even bring it up, because you know as well as I do that I'm just gonna get a "Vera what?"
Oh, and I have overheard several people busting out the high fives over Boondock Saints. Soooo... yeah.
well said, i think i understand what you're talking about.
trust me, i'm not trying to be confrontational right now (or at least not just for the sake of it, more for clarification) but it just sounds like elitism to me. the notion of having a thread that is the very essence of the site seems like beating it to death.
how come is it, based upon what you're saying, that almost all of the directors (and more notably, all the main directors with their own sub-sections on the site) happen to be American then? how come the majority of the taste on this site is Hollywood manufactured? it seems to me, if you were trying to disassociate yourselves with the "assholes" (or whatever new definition you gave) then you'd do this by liking film from all over the globe. and before some of you pop your lid, all over the globe does actually include Hollywood and America, but at and equal percentage (and i know you guys like foreign films, but what percentage of the whole do they represent?).
am i writing a response saying how i hate America; NO. what i'm showing you is that there is something fundamental in these films, which goes beyond this alleged philosophy and ideology that you love. fight club has come up earlier on this thread (and in previous arguments) so i'll use it as an example.
are you trying telling me that edward norton and brad pitt staring in the film had nothing to do with you loving it so much? after you take a breath and be honest by saying yes to that and admiting they are a major factor then you should know that these "assholes" think the same way. do the violence and "cool" factor have no bearing on whether or not you'll like the film? come on you know that's part of it, Fincher is a fucking music video director guys, the film is glossy as shit and you love it! this is the guy that went through a fucking garbage can in this film looking at every piece of trash for no reason and it was cool as shit, and in his next film he went through a fucking coffee cup handle. where's the subtext in that? It's done for cool's sake, and you know what? these "assholes" feel the same way about this too. this is not the end, I could keep going on talking about other things like the little flash frames of brad pitt and the non-foreshadowed ending of the film that makes no sense yet it is so fucking "cool." Well believe it or not the "assholes" loved this as well.
There are a bunch of films made that have the same messages as these films you're talking about but you choose to like them more, the violent, "cool," American version. (ie. vanilla sky over it's spanish counterpart) cause it's more digestible. Why? because on the other side of your personality, the non-film geek side, you love the same things as the "assholes" and you have that side as well. I'm not putting my self above, i'm the same way when it's warrented.
I agree that "they" may only have the "asshole" side and you and I have both sides (the geek and the fanboy), but don't try and sell it like it's art cinema, cause i'm not buying it. Fuck man, one of my favorite films of all time is "the Goonies." that's pure fucking gloss-studio-made-garbage but i love it, and i'm not trying to say it's anything that it isn't. so i guess by definition I'm an "asshole" for not liking a film based upon it's level of depth. Why are you so flustered by this notion. It's no surprise these "assholes" like all the films mentioned because the films are garnering their appeal. that is evident in the film, because it's a moneymaker and they want to fill those fucking seats with all types of demographics to make as much capital as possible. next time get mad at fincher or whomever the director is, and the studio for wanting all the cash out there. Not just the cash from the nerd/snob side of you. They're the ones getting those "assholes" to talk their shit and ruin your day.
EDIT IN REGARD TO THE GIRL:
truth is, part of the reason why you might like the girl in the first place is the fact she does in fact have a "hot ass" like your friends suggest. who are you, exclusively mister romantic? are you not turned on by such things? I am. and at the same time i can like the girl who has good taste and intellegence. I don't start saying the girl with the "hot ass" is intellegent becuase she quotes some michael moore, it takes some chompsky for that to happen. Get my drift how this ties into fight club? It's nice when we can find the nice ass and the smart mind, but don't start confusing the ass with the mind. when your buddy says she has a hot ass take it for what it is, a hot fucking ass. cause if you can see it then i'm sure she knows it.
either that or get some new friends buddy, cause they sound like they suck serious fucking balls.
-sl-
I'll pull an Eminem right now and point out what i'm sure someone will eventually comment on after this, yes "I am Canadian." (cannuks will get that one) and i'm not bashing American cinema, i'm just saying 99 percent of it sucks cause it's more about the spectacle and not the plot, characters and story. it's made to make money, even those ones you hold in high regard. I know i come across like a dick and you probably don't listen to a word i'm saying cause i'm opinionated. so the only option i have left is to quote someone you probably respect:
On the subject of filmmaking, Quentin Tarantino once said in an interview with Charlie Rose, “That used to be the thing about Hollywood, that was the one thing we did better than anyone else in the world. Tell a really good story… We’re the worst at it now… We don’t tell a story, we tell a situation in most of the films you see now a-days… You pretty much know what you’re going to see within the first ten to twenty minutes.” This comment was made a decade ago, shortly after the release of his film, Pulp Fiction. He then said, “(However) enough good movies come out of the Hollywood system every year to justify its existence.”
fight club is not one of these.
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Dogville
Tin Drum
Shaun Of The Dead
Mulholland Drive
Un Chien Andalou
Run Lola Run
Almost Famous
Withnail & I
Bride of Frankenstein
Purple Rain
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Amadeus
Shock Corridor
Underground
Out Of The Past
Hedwig and The Angry Inch
haha, you got that list by just looking at avatars. xixax is a criterion collection of assholes.
ha ha ha ha...the smartest post of this thread
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re: all those two people that hate this thread for the self-righteous (And, [gasp!] WRONG) reasons.
this started out to be a fun thread, obviously, when the topic is "movies assholes dig" it's already in a pejorative context, because, asshole, by any context, is referring to someone unfavorable that you'd probably put beneath you (unless you've got low self-esteem). and obviously everyone's definition of asshole is different, that's what makes it a fun thread. but then we've got suckysuckylevel coming out saying "who are you to call them assholes?" which is entirely not the point of this thread. in the topic, and for most of the people who didn't try re-defining ever so simple and snobby subject, it's already tongue in cheeky fun and already assumes that people who post are talking about, D-FUCKING-UH, "assholes"; not jocks/ fake film buffs/ macguffin/ the iranians/ whoever YOU decided to label as "assholes" and to penalize everyone else in the thread for belittling (which makes as much sense as A.I.)
for the two of you to be challenging the "word" asshole because you don't think it's fair to call "those people" (read: assholes) "assholes" is really dumb.
so to summarize:
me: movies assholes like?
suckitatthemostbasicfilmschoolstudentlevel: who are you assholes to call these assholes "assholes", asshole?
matt696969: blah blah blah blah blah.
oh yeah, suckmelevel, if you were around earlier this summer when I posted some videos, then you'd know that I stick it to assholes, strangers, in public places and call them all sorts of racial slurs (actually just "honky").
btw, suckit, I think I saw you tossing an elephant salad so hard, that you climbed into its ass. then you found out it was a pregnant elephant and started fucking the baby elephant in its elephant womb. then the elephant sneezed and gave birth to the virgin-no-more baby while you were projected out of its ass like bill clinton's semen when the secret services performed the heimlech manuever on monica, causing your anus to land squarely on a tree branch. then one republican on the side was like "now that's what I call a tree hugger." while the other republican goes "that's what I call rip him a new asshole". then a third republican says "you know what you guys? you're both right!" then the first republican says "yay! who wants to go to Friendly's?" the third one says "only if we all give nancy reagan the cunnilingus first!" then they all hi-fived each other and walked away.
yeah I witnessed all of that.
Quote from: petebtw, suckit, I think I saw you tossing an elephant salad so hard, that you climbed into its ass. then you found out it was a pregnant elephant and started fucking the baby elephant in its elephant womb. then the elephant sneezed and gave birth to the virgin-no-more baby while you were projected out of its ass like bill clinton's semen when the secret services performed the heimlech manuever on monica, causing your anus to land squarely on a tree branch. then one republican on the side was like "now that's what I call a tree hugger." while the other republican goes "that's what I call rip him a new asshole". then a third republican says "you know what you guys? you're both right!" then the first republican says "yay! who wants to go to Friendly's?" the third one says "only if we all give nancy reagan the cunnilingus first!" then they all hi-fived each other and walked away.
yeah I witnessed all of that.
i did my best to hide that, how the fuck did you get privy to that information. Were you really there?
-sl-
too bad it's apparent that no one takes you seriously. though you are good for a laugh or two. you know, when it's all said and done, that's what could be written on your epitaph, "He was good for a laugh or two."
Quote from: socketlevelhow the fuck did you get privy to that information.
C'mon socketlevel.. you KNOW Canadians don't say "privy." Don't pretend we do. Because we never have and we never will.
I think the problem is that Socketlevel is afraid he's an asshole. He likes films for different reasons (different reasons from me at least) and now he's like "wait... I'm not an asshole, you guys are assholes!"
I guess what I'm saying, SL is that I saw that elephant shit too and I dont' think you're canadian either.
haha dude you're like a cross from the fat dude who owns the comicbook shop and a young republican, with a dash of National Honors Society. I bet you half-snort when you're by yourself, reading these words.
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i did my best to hide that, how the fuck did you get privy to that information. Were you really there?
-sl-
too bad it's apparent that no one takes you seriously. though you are good for a laugh or two. you know, when it's all said and done, that's what could be written on your epitaph, "He was good for a laugh or two."
I had an idea to update the ol' asshole on the elbow line to fit this thread, but failed to bring it to fruition.
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Dogville
Tin Drum
Shaun Of The Dead
Mulholland Drive
Un Chien Andalou
Run Lola Run
Almost Famous
Withnail & I
Bride of Frankenstein
Purple Rain
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Amadeus
Shock Corridor
Underground
Out Of The Past
Hedwig and The Angry Inch
haha, you got that list by just looking at avatars. xixax is a criterion collection of assholes.
i'm not included in that collection. couldn't figure mine out huh?
socketlevel, when you call "the others" elitist, you didn't include yourself. Why is that?
Quote from: meatballi'm not included in that collection. couldn't figure mine out huh?
Who are you?
Quote from: petehaha dude you're like a cross from the fat dude who owns the comicbook shop and a young republican, with a dash of National Honors Society. I bet you half-snort when you're by yourself, reading these words.
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i did my best to hide that, how the fuck did you get privy to that information. Were you really there?
-sl-
too bad it's apparent that no one takes you seriously. though you are good for a laugh or two. you know, when it's all said and done, that's what could be written on your epitaph, "He was good for a laugh or two."
does denis miller know you're stealing his bit?
Quote from: CinephileC'mon socketlevel.. you KNOW Canadians don't say "privy." Don't pretend we do. Because we never have and we never will.
Truth is i don't know why i said it, it was the first thing that came to mind. the joke was a little post modern so i thought i'd go with it. I guess it's kind of cold in my igloo so i'm not thinking straight these days.
Quote from: regularkarateI think the problem is that Socketlevel is afraid he's an asshole. He likes films for different reasons (different reasons from me at least) and now he's like "wait... I'm not an asshole, you guys are assholes!
I guess what I'm saying, SL is that I saw that elephant shit too and I dont' think you're canadian either.
look buddy, i know i can be an asshole (by the definition you guys gave and the fact that i simply know i can be an asshole), i'm not afraid of your perception of me, or even worse the perception i have of myself. what i was trying to do was entirely different.
ok, i'll tell you the truth. you wanna know what i am afraid of? France, in the 60s, all the great French filmmakers (like trufaut and godard) were first critics of cinema. Their venue was a magazine called "Cashiers du cinema," they would discuss and argue the context of film and various other relevant topics. This was the most fundamental reason why the French New Wave (which has inspired so many filmmakers since that time, like tarantino for example) came to be. people told them that they should stop analyzing film and go make it, which they did.
I guess i kind of thought this internet site could be the contemporary form of such discussion. I'm a film student, and this interests me. I have come across others on this site that seem to be in the same frame of mind. for instance, recently i discussed "the village" with some posters and we tried to enlighten each other on the rhetoric of the film. I know this sounds cheesy, but it was kind of cool.
So it's sad that it's degraded to the point of "assholes who like movies for the wrong reasons." This seems to be the majority of the postings. It's an online version of a jackass skit, mediocrity, and all that comes from it is top ten lists of the movies that xixax posters like and how they like the same films for better reasons then other people so they can feel good about themselves. This is a safe way to tackle the topics. Still no reason is given why you like fight club for example, just that it is deep and i should take your word on it. i don't think so, it's just "cool" (now quickly, people send me the forward to that discussion where someone actually did give the reason, we're so afraid of overlap on this site arn't we)
I'm sure i seem hypocritical when i mention i also like fluff movies, which i do. I just look at them in a different light. but i don't confuse those two different ways of looking at films. I think in the end you and i like films for the same reasons, just different films.
Quote from: meatball"socketlevel, when you call "the others" elitist, you didn't include yourself. Why is that?"
I don't know if this is said rhetorically or not, in the case that it's not then i'd have to say because i'm not bashing anyone else's taste for my own satisfaction. If you have seen that i have done so in the past, then I guess i was elitist. i'll work harder not being so in the future. i try and only do so when i'm proving a point about how someone else is being an idiot, you know try and reverse it on them. I only want to bash the films and the filmmakers, not the audience. It's up to the producers to send out good messages to the audience, and when they don't, that really pisses me off.
The thing i found really funny about all of this is that you guys don't think i'm Canadian. That boggles my mind. If it's a joke then it's pretty funny, and i just didn't get it. if not, then you have the wrong perception of Canadians or you're really paranoid. Or I'm more American then I think. Any-which-way I love it.
-sl-
mac, you didn't get mine either.
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the joke was a little post modern so i thought i'd go with it.
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: meatballi'm not included in that collection. couldn't figure mine out huh?
Who are you?
Your worst nightmare . . :|
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budgie?
How did an argument spring out of this thread?
From what I understood, we were to list movies that pseudo-intellectuals and idiots alike enjoyed. It wasn't talking abuot the quality of the movie, and it wasn't stating what people exclusively liked it.
It was supposed to be "Man, I like Donnie Darko, but too many stupid people do, too." Which is an easy observation to make. So many people are into it because it's "werid" but then there are people who appreciate it on a different level, but I guess this whole discussion is lost on some, then insults get started, and the thread goes downhill.
No one's being elitist for saying stupid people enjoy a movie they enjoy, they were just pointing out how Big Lebowski is a really good movie, but it's annoying that so many people watch it once and call it their favorite movie, or just think it's some stoner comedy.
But, whatever, I'll just wait for another socketlevel post, then another responding pete post, and we'll make this thread 17 pages long.
it's even simpler than that--just assholes--they don't even have to like a movie for the wrong reasons, they can like it for the whatever reason, they just have to be assholes.
Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobHow did an argument spring out of this thread?
Welcome to xixax.
Yeah, welcome to Xixax..... asshole.
xixax - Where assholes are like opinions: Full of shit.
Quote from: MacGuffinxixax - Where assholes are like opinions: Full of shit.
Marquee That.
Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobBut, whatever, I'll just wait for another socketlevel post, then another responding pete post, and we'll make this thread 17 pages long.
cool, thanks for taking the ride with us.
but seriously i think i've made my case, you won't have any more from me.
on a side note i saw a great film tonight that you guys should check out if you get the chance (and i searched for it and nothing came up on the site, so sorry if it has already been talked about)
It's "The Five Obstructions." brilliant film and i think so far the best of the year. it's a documentary about how lars von trier absolutely loves this 1967 film by jorgen leth called "the perfect human." He loves it so much that he meets up with leth and tells him he's seen it twenty times. so he proposes a game with leth, where leth has to remake "the perfect human" almost 40 years later. however this time there will be obstructions, it is lars' quest to have leth make a poor movie. trier thinks leth is a perfect filmmaker and wants to humble him.
in their first conversation trier lays out the guidelines for the first incarnation, the film must be shot in Cuba (which leth has never been to), there can be no sets (which the original did, thx 1138 style) and finally no shot can last longer than 12 frames (half a second)! it seems absolutely insane but leth embarks on the task at hand. They show all the films made by leth in this feature. The result is a beautiful film, which is absolutely mesmerizing to watch. The tricks leth plays with to work within these rules are worth taking note of.
the feature goes off from there, and the obstructions become more insightful of leth's character and equally ridiculous in their own right. there are five versions of "the perfect human" made in total, each one with new obstructions. during the journey we see these two influential men talk about art and how they make incredible films. They are both very charismatic and the ability to watch their interplay is entertaining and educating.
go check this out if you get the chance, hopefully it will get released on dvd. i think there is chance because of trier's status as a filmmaker.
-sl-
Quote from: socketlevelon a side note i saw a great film tonight that you guys should check out if you get the chance (and i searched for it and nothing came up on the site, so sorry if it has already been talked about)
It's "The Five Obstructions."
haha sweet irony, pete started a five obstructions thread, you two are more alike than you care to admit. ASSHOLES!!
whoa (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=6420)
hahah, way to be three months late you sack of shit! "meh, five obstructions is art, meh, <snort> meh."
I guess now I can add Five Obstructions to my list. thank you!
you got me, oh you got me. I'm so humbled.
one word of advice, don't cum too soon buddy, they don't like that. the post modern comment (that was in refference to the joke you made, not me. but i bet you were so smug when you quoted me saying it) was to show the pretense of YOUR joke not mine, thanks for quoting me and re-iterating my point. It just seemed right for me to go along with it.
too bad you just can't let it go, and too bad you're adding that to your list. sems like you've changed the criteria for "asshole." glad to be of service.
send me the forward then, i can't seem to find it. we'll get back to your boring posts. so you can be angry at nothing, yet again.
you know it's really interesting how you joined xixax only three or so months before i did (you know the same amount of time this sack of shit missed out on you getting indie-cred becuase you started a post that maybe 50 people will read) and yet you've made over ten times the amount of posts. you got a lot of time on your hands. If all your posts are at the quality of this thread, well shit... shit... I honestly can't think of anything witty enough to equal how pathetic that is.
-sl-
does anyone else actually agree with me? or am i alone on how much a fucking cock this guy is. you know, like the guy in highschool that just didn't know when to end the joke. see, either to soon or too long. too bad:(
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lol, sorry didn't see that, thanks.
oh shit, Walrus, Kookookajoob. sorry i've done it again. can't seem to stop it with this guy, he's like a festering cancer. I can't help but fight him off. i really tried, i really tried. I tried with the post to claer it up, you know change the topic to something cunstructive. but he keeps sucking me down cause he's got nothing interesting to say.
you've actually resorted to the presumptuous "you have so many posts that means you don't get laid!" logic that only hurts you know, if I really don't have a social life. but too bad. I mean you're the guy who volunteers information about your worldview when someone made a joke about canada, you made references to your own saying "too cool for christmas" like five times, and made a reference to your reference in fear of someone not approving of it in the first place, and you were the one who attacked me twice within 30 minutes of each other when you got corrected about your little film recommendation. dude, who sounds more pathetic? a guy posting your mama insults or a guy who is so hurt by those insults that he wouldn't stop talking about himself and making up facts about the other guy?
what, you want me to post pictures of myself partying with the girls and famous filmmakers to prove that I have a life?
Quote from: peteyou've actually resorted to the presumptuous "you have so many posts that means you don't get laid!" logic that only hurts you know, if I really don't have a social life. but too bad. I mean you're the guy who volunteers information about your worldview when someone made a joke about canada, you made references to your own saying "too cool for christmas" like five times, and made a reference to your reference in fear of someone not approving of it in the first place, and you were the one who attacked me twice within 30 minutes of each other when you got corrected about your little film recommendation. dude, who sounds more pathetic? a guy posting your mama insults or a guy who is so hurt by those insults that he wouldn't stop talking about himself and making up facts about the other guy?
what, you want me to post pictures of myself partying with the girls and famous filmmakers to prove that I have a life?
nope, just make a post when you have something to say. Like this one. the mama insults undermine any intellect you might have.
the cumming too soon comment had to do with your presumptions on what i was saying, nothing to do with how much time you're on the site. For all i know i spend more time on here then you do, i just don't pontificate garbage constantly. besides this arguement i try to be a little more fruitful with the dialog. i don't care if you're partying with girls or whatever, that's an easy ploy to get people on your side. go for it, garner whatever appeal you need.
-sl-
You really want the last word dont you?
lol, yeah kind of. but i guess we both do.
you might have given it to me with that, thanks.
-sl-
Given you what?
children, take your "discussion" to pm or i will have to lock this thread. thank you.
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Do you hear that? It's the sound of collective Xixax pantscreaming.
See, I think some of you don't get this topic. From what I gathered we're talking about assholes, not in the sense of 'ohh that kid's an asshole' but in the sense..
like the high school football player or even the geek kid in your chemistry class, they probably both like Donnie Darko, but don't know why really. They just like it because it's different. SO I think, ohh, what an asshole.
Xixaxers, while some of us may be assholes (some moreso than others) we asshole film buffs. We have the right to be assholes because we know what we're talking about.
i'm a dick
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true, but i almost came in my pants just looking at it.
-sl-
Bond movies, but actually i just think im the asshole cuz i dont like bond movies....im just a hater
ok, just saw the marquee. I don't know if it came to be because of this thread, or maybe it was up already. if it was, then:
be a little humbling and put one that also says, "we like asshole movies for the same reasons assholes like asshole movies. we're all a bunch of assholes who deny that, in fact, we're assholes. you fucking asshole!"
...come on, smile, don't take yourselves too seriously.
i'm included in that, so you might want to think twice before defecating on me.
-sl-
You're defecating on yourself, dude.
You think we're taking ourselves too seriously with that marque?
Also, there's no way you suggestion would fit a marque
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i'm included in that, so you might want to think twice before defecating on me.
-sl-
you just took yourself seriously, again. you dumb bag of shit.
Quote from: socketlevelbe a little humbling and put one that also says, "we like asshole movies for the same reasons assholes like asshole movies. we're all a bunch of assholes who deny that, in fact, we're assholes. you fucking asshole!"
That'll be a humourous four-part marquee.
Anyway, stop being a douchebag, suckitlevel. We all like to joke here. YOU stop taking US seriously. Make your fellow Canucks proud.
ah shit, all i was trying to do was point out that id be taking the piss out of myself as well with the last line. i didn't think you were taking yourselves to seriously with the marquee, just the other comment is more controversial and therefore funnier.
it was a fucking joke, even self referential at that. but tempers flared and the shit came pouring out. Which, of course, was lead by uncreative user tag puns. well on ya.
-sl-
btw, i don't need to make my canucks proud, and fuck em if they expect it. pete - just go back to the t.v. and relax, you're safe. i'm happy that i at least got you back in other people's good books.
It's getting really old really fast, socket. You think you can seriously waltz in here and shit up a storm about something so completely arbitrary like our opinions, and THEN turn around and tell us not to take ourselves seriously and THEN tell us all its a joke? Seriously, get the fuck off our proverbial dicks. You brought the whole thing back up after some 3 weeks. Get over it.
-cr-
no, in this case, you'd only be taking yourselves too seriously if you couldn't put up the marquee i mentioned.
you know what, you could even put up the marquee and quote me saying it, i really wouldn't give a shit. i think it would be fucking funny.
you guys took me all wrong.
and in refference to the last post, this part was a joke, not what i said three weeks ago, i still stick to that.
-sl-
if i could draw everyone's attention to the first page in this thread:
Quote from: cinephiléWhy do I dislike this thread?
i'm surprised, at what point did you leave this way of thinking cinefile? when did you loose your balls? maybe when the shit started coming down? or was it when you realized you be in the bunker with me?
could have been you and me against the world. you know, like in Nam, fighting charlie.
(btw - THAT"S A JOKE GUYS)
-sl-
Quote from: socketleveland in refference to the last post, this part was a joke, not what i said three weeks ago, i still stick to that.
Alright I'll give you that. I misphrased.
...and he is STILL taking himself seriously.
Quote from: socketlevelwhen did you loose your balls?
Cinephile has a detachable penis?
Cinephile doesn't even have a penis. Cause he's a little BITCH.
Hey guys, you all suck!! I'm edgy! I'm too much for you!! you can't handle my XTreeeeeem personality!!
PUT THAT ON YOUR MARQUE!!!!!
or are you too chicken?
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Eisenstein at its best. :yabbse-thumbup:
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Eisenstein at its best. :yabbse-thumbup:
i feel the love.
and that's vertov... just kidding.
-sl-
I'm sure he was just referencing the juxtaposition, not your avatar.
American History X.
Too many people here (in Finland) seem to ignore the latter half of the film and just idolize the white supremacy-aspect of the film. Scary stuff.
Got to see a guy ask my tattooist to get a big swastika done on his chest, unsurprisingly, exactly where Edward Norton's character had his...
That fit the definition of "asshole" about right?
It's a shame, 'cause I quite like the movie.
Also Spiderman. Especially the second one.
If only I could kill every person who has said that it's "the best comic movie ever, because, like, y'know, it's deep, 'cause he's, like, Peter Parker AND Spiderman, and, like, y'know, he has real problems."
Quote from: SlimepuppyAmerican History X.
Too many people here (in Finland) seem to ignore the latter half of the film and just idolize the white supremacy-aspect of the film. Scary stuff.
Got to see a guy ask my tattooist to get a big swastika done on his chest, unsurprisingly, exactly where Edward Norton's character had his...
That fit the definition of "asshole" about right?
I agree.
Quote from: Slimepuppy
Also Spiderman. Especially the second one.
If only I could kill every person who has said that it's "the best comic movie ever, because, like, y'know, it's deep, 'cause he's, like, Peter Parker AND Spiderman, and, like, y'know, he has real problems."
I very much disagree. Whether or not you liked it, it doesn't have that "assholes like it" quality. Thinking it's cool to get a swastika on your chest because of a movie is assholeish, but loving a movie for its focus on emotions, responsibility, and the person behind the silly costume is not assholeish at all, I argue. I can understand rolling your eyes at someone who would call it "deep," but I don't think that makes them an asshole.
If anything, it's the "lay people" who thought the movie was "okay," and really the lovers of cinema (movie critics, people on this forum) that have been praising the movie as a huge step forward in the realm of superhero movies.
Ghost World was a huge step forward in the realm of comic book movies.
X-men (2) was a huge step forward in the realm of superhero movies.
Spiderman 2 was a massive step backwards.
Great actors and nice setpieces let down by substandard writing. The whole movie reeks of "eh, it's only a comic book movie"ism. Coincidences, deus ex machina, poor character motivations, the works. At no point did the film makers take the story seriously. If they don't care, why should I?
It was bigger and louder than the first film, and I can appreciate most people loving that, but I cringed through the entire movie watching good actors deliver inane lines in a paper-thin excuse for a plot.
Maybe asshole is too strong a word. Deluded? My problem is with the fact that people think it's deep when in fact it is anyting but.
It's like trying to learn the deeper meaning of Baudrillard by watching the Matrix film.
And to think, all the problems in that film could have been fixed with a pen and some paper...
Quote from: SlimepuppyGhost World was a huge step forward in the realm of comic book movies.
X-men (2) was a huge step forward in the realm of superhero movies.
Spiderman 2 was a massive step backwards.
Great actors and nice setpieces let down by substandard writing. The whole movie reeks of "eh, it's only a comic book movie"ism. Coincidences, deus ex machina, poor character motivations, the works. At no point did the film makers take the story seriously. If they don't care, why should I?
It was bigger and louder than the first film, and I can appreciate most people loving that, but I cringed through the entire movie watching good actors deliver inane lines in a paper-thin excuse for a plot.
Ghost World was great, but I would say that American Splendor was a greater step forward for comic book movies. Ghost World was a great comic book, but the adaptation from book to screen was fairly straightforward (but yes, awesome), whereas American Splendor was truly a "comic book movie." Additionally, I never confused superhero movies and other comic book movies, so I don't really know how Ghost World got into this discussion.
Even if you didn't think Spider-Man 2 was that great, I think you're in the minority among cinephiles if you really think it was as terrible as that, so saying that one must be "deluded" to like it is kinda off. There are a lot of valid criticisms that can be made about this movie, but of all the things to argue, I think saying that the filmmakers didn't care or take the story seriously is the weakest one. Sam Raimi and Co. most definitely care more about Spider-Man (Raimi's like King Spider-Man Nerd) than, say, Bryan Singer cared about X-Men, even though I think X-Men 2 is a good movie. Not necessarily a breakthrough or huge step forward, but it certainly was a case of a superhero movie done right.
There are many elements in Spider-Man 2 where, if you think superhero comic books are generally lame, it's just not gonna work for you. Ultimately, though, I think the movie was very faithful to the original material--so the question is whether or not you're a fan of the Spider-Man comics. If not, then it becomes moot to criticize the film adaptation. I agree with you that the movie isn't particularly "deep," and that the people who feel so are just simple, but the film never tries go and never should have gone deeper than the conflicted feelings that Peter Parker has about being Spider-Man. So I agree that it isn't a "deep" movie, but to call it a massive step backwards?
Finally, I don't think Spider-Man 2 was bigger and louder than the first film. Over half of the movie is focused on the human element, not on Spider-Man v.s. Doc Ock. The action sequences themselves are better than in the first, but there are less of them. I feel that Spider-Man 2 is a quieter, smaller, and more intimate movie than the first film.
I don't mind that you didn't like the movie, but I did have a problem with a few of your criticisms. We disagree is about all that can be said. Oh, and welcome to Xixax. (I'm one of the friendlier members, honestly)
I see what you're saying, and maybe the problems lies in the source material... I just felt that while X-men was treating the subject matter with respect and a modicum of realism Spiderman 2 wasn't... At all. Again, that might hark back to the source material, which I am the first to admit I am not very familiar with.
I know I'm in the minority with my abject dislike of the second film, mainly because of the leaps of logic it does within the plot. For me it didn't feel like having "respect for the source material" but rather a lazy short hand to get things where they needed to be to move the story along. I'm not justifying my vitriol, just attempting to explain the reasons behind it.
Maybe we'll agree to disagree?
And thanks for the welcome. Much appreciated.
I've been quite impressed with the quality and quantity of film fact and opinion to be found on the forum. There's only so much AICN and IMDB comments I can take before seeing red...
Spiderman 2 is not the best superhero movie of all time. Period.
Is it a good "popcorn 7 o'clock on a Friday night" movie? Sure.
It's even better if you read the comic books and know Peter Parker & Spiderman's story. There are lots of one-liners that only a fan would get.
I thought this was really funny and belonged in this thread...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/1SS0RAIDCVIX9/ref=cm_bg_lm/102-1892874-8024135
Classic thread. 8)
Quote from: SiliasRubyI thought this was really funny and belonged in this thread...
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that was really good, but he shot himself in the foot by pretending Kill Bill was for smart ppl.
the best: "You don't have the intellect to understand this movie or what the title means." i think i've said that before.
Why isn't this guy on Xixax yet? Is this guy on Xixax yet?
I'm not sure if he is or he isn't on here, but he'd be interesting poster
citizen kane.
haha.
how about this movie? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390336/ I bet film majoring assholes love this flick.
a LOT OF THEM came out this year. I can only think of 300 and Smokin' Aces.
& Shoot 'Em Up
how this thread was dead for 2 and a half years is beyond me.
superbad
&
the simpsons movie
TRANSFORMERS
really? I felt like only little kids dug transformers. no actual asshole (ie. a fullgrown one who is for sure an asshole and not just a phase of his life) will admit to liking transformers. I may be terribly wrong though.
lol.
EW named Gladiator the 3rd BEST MOVIE OF THE DECADE.
dude that list is so much worse than anything tarantino or pete travers or anyone else that we've thus far complained about has published. that list is shit.
Yeah, but nobody respects EW. They're like a what NOT to do.
"Punch the girl you have a crush on in the face" is # 4 on their top 10 of all time.
Inception.
Assholes also like to hate avatar for street cred.
To paraphrase Noel Fielding on Coldplay: I 'm not
Quote from: pete on September 11, 2010, 10:11:01 PM
hating avatar for street cred.
I genuinely hate
Avatar.
Pretty sure this qualifies.
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thanks for referencing this thread, Pubes
HANGOVER
IRON MAN -Downy has become the new Gibson.
Comic book movies in general have been taken over by assholes. We like to pretend that they're fanboy movies, but they're really asshole movies, mostly. Bros love the montages where the superhero starts getting dressed up in his suit while Aerosmiths, "Back in the Saddle Again" plays. It gets them all pumped up, high-fiving, yelling fuck yeah and shit. It's such an odd pairing too. You would think meatheads would want nothing to do with a guy wearing a suit, but Hollywood has done a good job in appealing to them. Every comic book movie has sultry women, quippy one-liners and pedal to the metal action. They can forget they're watching a movie about a giant bookworm nerd who dresses up in a costume where his balls are all bunched up and showing on a big ass movie screen all up in your face. The nerdy superhero always gets the girl in the movie too. I don't remember it working out like that in the comic books. I remember him always wanting the girl, but because of his nerdy alter ego, he could never get her. Gotta have the hero get some tail!
I think fanboys are the biggest assholes out there. Scott Pilgrim is Sofia Coppola-smug in its own way.
but Kick Ass - that's like a failed Zack Snyder movie right there - I think any studio genre movie that tries to hard to pretend it's above the genre, or that it's doing the genre a favor, will always end up asshole movies. Zombieland is another one, and Fantastic Mr. Fox definitely is one.
That new Statham/Owen/De Niro flick, where the trailer seems kind of serious at first, then all of a sudden "Rock You Like a Hurricane" starts playing. "Rock You Like a Hurricane" is the song you use when "Back in Black" isn't assholeish enough.
Quote from: pete on August 17, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
I think fanboys are the biggest assholes out there. Scott Pilgrim is Sofia Coppola-smug in its own way.
but Kick Ass - that's like a failed Zack Snyder movie right there - I think any studio genre movie that tries to hard to pretend it's above the genre, or that it's doing the genre a favor, will always end up asshole movies. Zombieland is another one, and Fantastic Mr. Fox definitely is one.
Fantastic Mr. Fox? Really? I'm with you on everything else, but, really? It's so cute and harmless.
https://vimeo.com/37865623
in the spirit of movies assholes dig, i would like to add a category called bourgeois bullshit. movies that are (generally bland and conventional) costume dramas and period pieces. usually about upper class (or royalty) people and their petty little problems. think ladies in lavender. the audience who seem to love these movies in my city are waspy types - white middle aged people who refuse to watch anything slightly challenging or unpleasant, yet pride themselves on being sophisticated. and the academy is known for eating this shit up, too.
shakespeare in love
young victoria
the king's speech
life is beautiful
the english patient
the last station
some of the jane austen adaptations (she would be rolling in her grave).
Quote from: chere mill on March 17, 2012, 08:56:47 PM
in the spirit of movies assholes dig, i would like to add a category called bourgeois bullshit. movies that are (generally bland and conventional) costume dramas and period pieces. usually about upper class (or royalty) people and their petty little problems. think ladies in lavender. the audience who seem to love these movies in my city are waspy types - white middle aged people who refuse to watch anything slightly challenging or unpleasant, yet pride themselves on being sophisticated. and the academy is known for eating this shit up, too.
shakespeare in love
young victoria
the king's speech
life is beautiful
the english patient
the last station
some of the jane austen adaptations (she would be rolling in her grave).
Perfect. I would add The Hours and The Queen.
Another category should be movies unnecessarily over-educated white people adore.
The type of movies that white people in their late thirties, early forties who have college degrees in fields that are worthless love. Movies about upper-middle class dysfunctional families that always feature some sort of awkward story lines where each member of the family is trying to find themselves and they do it through things like infidelity, shoplifting, trying to act younger or older, getting in shape, becoming an artist, or just crap that they wouldn't normally do, but because their family life is falling apart, they're giving it a shot.
Movies like The Squid and the Whale, The Ice Storm, American Beauty and Little Children.
They will have a story line about finding their neighbors kid masturbating in the bushes of their back yard and the audience will feel uncomfortable because they too wouldn't know how to deal with a situation like that. Do they pretend they don't see him doing it? Do they alert his parents and risk the repercussions? Do they interrupt the kid and give him the talk about sex that his parents should be giving him? So awkward! If my neighbors kid was masturbating in the bushes in my backyard I'd go outside, turn on the hose and tell him to put his dingaling back in his shorts and get off my lawn before I call the cops. Shoo. Get lost, weirdo.
Haha, nice.
Except I love The Squid and the Whale for Jeff Daniels's character... how brilliantly written his dialogue is, how surprisingly great Daniels is in the part, and ultimately how much it skewers him.
I think that movie's self-awarenes and subtlety is leagues beyond American Beauty for example, which only knows how to express itself with a sledgehammer.
I don't mind Squid and the Whale and I really like The Ice Storm. But we're allowed to like any of these movies because we like others, too.
your unfortunate subcategories, again, assumes that "assholes" refer to only one type of people. don't confuse assholes with bros or meatheads. assholes are assholes, asshole.
^Not even.
There are definite subcategories. You can even break them down by whatever emotional status said bros, meatheads and/or assholes have on their most recent Facebook/Twitter update.
A meathead could easily be having a bad day and post something on Facebook akin to, "shitty st pattys day guys. everyone downtown was wearing green and I didnt get to pinch anything. bitches are dumb but are way smart at reading calendars. no ass grabbing tonight. gonna smoke a bowl then play some guitar and try and feel better. maybe wake up early and work on my truck. dont know. weekend kind of ruined :cry:"
While at the same time, an asshole could be getting home late from the office after effing up while crunching numbers for his clients during tax season and make a tweet that says, "Not making tee time in the morning. Busy day at the office. DEAL WITH IT. God, then career, then family. My performance at the country club will always come fourth."
You really think there's no chance this father/son duo don't both end up in the family room at 3am eating bacon and getting hammered off of cheap boxed wine while watching Kevin Spacey in American Beauty proclaim, "I rule" as they give each other embarrassing high fives and down lows, that they both miss?
God, I hope this is a sign that Stefen is going to start posting more often.
yes please.
about that vimeo vid. couldnt disagree more about some of choices, I dont think 2001, leone (specially OUATITW) could qualify as movies that assholes dig.
btw, from which movie is the guy that paints a hitler stache? shows at the 12sec mark
Quote from: Fernando on March 18, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
btw, from which movie is the guy that paints a hitler stache? shows at the 12sec mark
Smokin' Aces
Quote from: Fernando on March 18, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
about that vimeo vid. couldnt disagree more about some of choices, I dont think 2001, leone (specially OUATITW) could qualify as movies that assholes dig.
Yeah, but the video is more about the type of stuff assholes like to see in movies, i.e, confrontation. I doubt the biggest fans of 300 are even aware of Dr. Strangelove. That said, I remember one Thanksgiving I was surfing channels and 2001 happened to be on, my uncle goes "oh, that's a classic!" So I put it on and were watching and its kind of quiet and slow, just the thing I wanted to watch after dinner, but to him, it's dragging. So he goes "put the game back on, we need something with more action in it." I thought that perfectly summed up his attitude toward cinema, " it's a classic, that's been decided for me. Does it mean I have to watch it? Onto something else. " I wouldn't call my uncle an asshole in the slightest, he's basically funded my whole life, but he's definitely a meathead. I mean, who could blame him though? It's Thanksgiving and he wants to watch the damn game, Kubrick would've done the same.
Quote from: chere mill on March 17, 2012, 08:56:47 PM
bourgeois bullshit.
Quote from: S.R. on March 17, 2012, 10:29:50 PM
movies unnecessarily over-educated white people adore.
Can we include
self-referential movies for zombie twats? Not necessarily zombie movies, although a bunch of zombie movies would qualify. More like movies that cater to the demographic who treat "The Zombie Survival Guide" as the apex of literature.
Zombieland (mentioned on a previous page)
The Evil Dead movies
The Resident Evil movies
Shaun of the Dead
Fido
The Walking Dead, while a TV show, qualifies
The upcoming Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, Boy Scouts vs. Zombies, etc.
Loads of straight-to-DVD or super niche-y shit like Zombie Strippers or Dead Snow
But also...
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter
Pirahna 3D
Hobo with a Shotgun
The upcoming Cowboy Ninja Viking, Kitchen Sink, etc.
Cowboys & Aliens, though not ultimately this kind of movie, easily could have been if executed differently.
http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/7199/films-stupid-people-think-are-clever/
Fight Club is a case of a film people think is clever for the wrong reasons (as the list points out). Anyway, those are less asshole films and more 18 year old budding film fan films.
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Now by the sounds of things, this is a movie which assholes have quickly come to love.
Assholes will always dig Scorsese because Scorsese digs Assholes.
Quote from: pete on October 27, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/7199/films-stupid-people-think-are-clever/
gotta say I agree with every selection, nearly every word. Fight Club, American Beauty, and The Matrix have a special place in my heart as '99 films really reflecting the mass psychosis going on at the time. I still love them all, but when I watched the end of American Beauty recently, and Lester starts talking about how (spoiler) "your life flashes before your eyes when you die" I wanted to fucking throw up. That 1 minute montage RUINED a perfectly fine film up until that point.
Shawshank and The Departed are movies that I absolutely considered my top #1 favorites of all time on first viewing and degraded in quality ever since. The Life Aquatic's whole aesthetic and hollowed out approach to it's characters just makes me want to die. Never been a fan of The Dark Knight as it stands as one of my all time worst cinematic experiences, with babies crying in the theater and some retarded guy stinking up the bathroom for like the ENTIRE SHOW, so I just had to hold it. That's a movie with an aesthetic that I really
DO like, but too big a cast of characters for me to care about anyone but the joker. You can't even technically call it a batman film with how much he stole it.
Love this:
"Realising there was money to be made out of comic book blockbusters masquerading as serious cinema, Hollywood has been ruining fun stories about losers with superpowers by injecting them with 'dark themes' and cod philosophy ever since."
– Sam Parker
and thank you, Thank You,
THANK YOU for mentioning that shit heap of a film they call Inception
Ouch man, I dig Inception.
I think American Beauty is the biggest offender. Fuck yo plastic bag.
Reelist didn't understand what I had written. But Lottery got my point.
There. Under me.
I don't know what you just said
I'm sure there's a very disturbed young man who misunderstood American Psycho and regards Bateman as some sort of ubermensch.
Ubermensch? Now youre just talking jibber jabber
Quote from: pete on October 27, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/7199/films-stupid-people-think-are-clever/
I loved Fight Club and Life Aquatic, guess that makes me an asshole.
Movies digged by assholes I know:
About Time
A Beautiful Mind
Argo
The Prestige
Forrest Gump
I only think two or three of those are actually bad movies. But they all generate far too much hype with so-called "film people" around here. (Repulsive assholes who work at the cinema)
Quote from: pete on October 27, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/7199/films-stupid-people-think-are-clever/
Unnecessary disclaimer:I don't especially like any of these movies.
This article is the definition of clickbait, picking at the lowest hanging fruits they could reach. Has all the insight of a grizzled, world-weary 19 year old college sophomore who now knows better looking back at the films he used to like as an impressionable misguided 15 year old. I feel dumber for having read this.
I actually agree with all of the movies listed, but the article is dumb because the reasons he give are either no-existent or lazy in every sense. He's criticizing people for essentially liking movies because they either hold a certain cultural respectability or just better fit some people's personality, but he's an asshole himself for being so flippant in knocking all those movies just because he can. A lot of smart people like those reasons for smart reasons so it's not an asshole brigade only leading the charge.
Quote from: pete on October 27, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/7199/films-stupid-people-think-are-clever/
Low hanging fruits and not controversial enough.
Assholes dig Kubrick - listen me out.
My theory "Every film discussion that last long enough ends up with references to Kubrick". For empirical proof just look at comments of almost every trailer/poster: "Never ending next-Kubrick" discussions, how something resembles Kubrick, how film made by Kubrick is way much better. Sometimes I wonder, if those people walking through the park are seeing Kubricks hanging from the trees...
From my perceptive, those are bandwagon jumpers - the same kind cheering for all winners in the sport. Those silly remarks not only downgrade cinema as a whole, but also undermine work done by Kubrick. It becomes a meme, instead of topic for serious discussion. Everything is trivial.
Now stone me.
I think kubrick's biggest fans will be the first ones to point out that many of his fans are wrong about him. Also kinda timely - I heard the new space movie by Nolan also has a Hal9000 type character. It seems like every space movie has to/ wants to do a twist on the rogue robot helper now - not the r2d2 type or Data, but all the movies wanna specifically reference Hal. Am I wrong?
I feel like the people who like Fight Club for the wrong reasons tend to also be really into Clockwork Orange for the wrong reasons.
Quote from: pete on October 30, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
It seems like every space movie has to/ wants to do a twist on the rogue robot helper now - not the r2d2 type or Data, but all the movies wanna specifically reference Hal. Am I wrong?
I've noticed this, too. Michael Fassbender's character in Prometheus was basically an anthropomorphic HAL.
I'm sure somebody out there could write their college thesis on how this represents our shifting cultural attitudes toward emerging technology. That's a freebie for whoever wants it.
Haven't watched it in years but the Kevin Spacey AI in Moon was pretty overtly Hallic. It's also played for laughs in the Portal games with Glados
o yeah - Fincher and Nolan are the new Tarantino