Influenced by...

[tpfkabi]

if you read reviews of Godard/Truffaut during their time, they also talked about how much they ripped older directors.......i'm sure it was the same with Scorsese before them.......Welles was famous with Kane because he brought back a lot of old techniques.........i guess the only way to find an all orginal director would be to find the first film ever filmed.......of course, what makes all the aforementioned great was that they added their own personal touches........it sounds kinda smug and i know a lot of you probably know a lot more about cinema than i do, but there's a lot of truth in that.......i guess the older and older that cinema gets, the more layers are added because Tarantino/the Andersons, etc have studied all of these

[Gold Trumpet]

I disagree, we are more influenced by the younger directors.  Think about it, you see a film by (insert Young Director here) and you find out that he was influenced by (insert Old Director here) and you check out that film/director.

Now you change your view and say you were influenced by the old director when in fact you were INFLUENCED by the younger one.

The influence you are talking about is the initiative influence. If you go by what I said in where most logical approaches to film are in older filmmakers, the final influence does come from them because they are the ones that force you to think on your own in developing a logical style. To separate between the initiative and the final, its like saying you discovered the first film by one filmmaker and that led you to see his later and more developed work. By the end, you are hardly influenced by that first film at all.

[SHAFTR]

I disagree, we are more influenced by the younger directors.  Think about it, you see a film by (insert Young Director here) and you find out that he was influenced by (insert Old Director here) and you check out that film/director.

Now you change your view and say you were influenced by the old director when in fact you were INFLUENCED by the younger one.

The influence you are talking about is the initiative influence. If you go by what I said in where most logical approaches to film are in older filmmakers, the final influence does come from them because they are the ones that force you to think on your own in developing a logical style. To separate between the initiative and the final, its like saying you discovered the first film by one filmmaker and that led you to see his later and more developed work. By the end, you are hardly influenced by that first film at all.

but that first film influenced you to check out the other films.

[Gold Trumpet]

but that first film influenced you to check out the other films.

Yes, it did, but what influence does it have after seeing all the films?

[NEON MERCURY]

..for me its both.....like for theh nnewer ones....aronofsky, qt., soderberg..pta.....etc...

and the old ones like lynch mallick..stanley...stone....
i don't know really its about the same ...
i'm innnlfuenced by good directors young or old.....

[SHAFTR]

but that first film influenced you to check out the other films.

Yes, it did, but what influence does it have after seeing all the films?

I think the initial influence is what is important.  That initial younger director sparks your interest and draws your attention to other films.

If I watch Vanilla Sky and find out that it's a remake of Open Your Eyes, and than watch that film...I have been influenced by Cameron Crowe.

[Gold Trumpet]

but that first film influenced you to check out the other films.

Yes, it did, but what influence does it have after seeing all the films?

I think the initial influence is what is important.  That initial younger director sparks your interest and draws your attention to other films.

If I watch Vanilla Sky and find out that it's a remake of Open Your Eyes, and than watch that film...I have been influenced by Cameron Crowe.

But....the initial influence cannot keep up with you continually growing. If I took my intitial influence really to heart as most important, I'd say every Kubrick film were the most influential films for me. They really aren't and my opinion of Kubrick now is harsher than most people may think. Lesser films led me to Kubrick and Kubrick led me to other films and those other films to other films and so on. If you take the intitial influence, where does it really begin then? Does it start with the film that just made you like movies? I definitely couldn't say Die Hard is influential for me now in matters of judging films.

[SHAFTR]

I definitely couldn't say Die Hard is influential for me now in matters of judging films.

maybe it was?

Kevin Smith films were influential in getting me interested in films.

[SoNowThen]

who gives a fuck who you were influenced by
who gives a fuck if you copy from other people

as long as you make it watchable and interesting

QT rips off shitty old blacksploitation pictures I would never waste my time watching

Ratner apparently loves a ton of foreign films that are my favorites

yet I will watch a QT over a Ratner film any old day of the week


and I firmly plan on lifting scenes/shots/dialogue verbatim from movies I like

[Sanjuro]

voted for old..
there are only a handful of directors now that really impress me.  i mean before you had kurosawa, kubrick, etc. very hard to compete with that.
but sometimes its amazing how a masterpiece just pops up.  times are just diffrent now but thats not to say that todays directors wont be great.

[Pubrick]

the notion of "influenced by" is funny to me. u only know the ones u consciously choose to rip off. and little things that are inherent in cinematic language, tho u may not give credit to sumone, u prolly saw it first like in a Sergio Leone film.

since i only am consciously influenced by one filmmaker, dead, i voted for old.

[kotte]

the notion of "influenced by" is funny to me. u only know the ones u consciously choose to rip off. and little things that are inherent in cinematic language, tho u may not give credit to sumone, u prolly saw it first like in a Sergio Leone film.

Technically, if you use a closeup you're ripping off...so we're talking about conscious off ripping.

[The Silver Bullet]

who gives a fuck if you copy from other people

Personally, I think the person doing the copying should themselves. At least, they should if they want to be considered one of the greatest directors to have ever lived, which in a Rolling Stone article, Quentin Tarantino said he does...

there are only a handful of directors now that really impress me. i mean before you had kurosawa, kubrick, etc. very hard to compete with that.

Yeah, but it's not like they were the only directors working or anything either. You can say that filmmakers today aren't as good as those of yesterday, but you also have to remember that you only remember the greats.

since i only am consciously influenced by one filmmaker, dead, i voted for old.

Who, out of interest?

[Pubrick]

Who, out of interest?

Leni Riefenstahl.

subconsciously there are probably a few more, but to know them u would hav to ask me in a dream.

[The Silver Bullet]

if you read reviews of Godard/Truffaut during their time, they also talked about how much they ripped older directors.......i'm sure it was the same with Scorsese before them.......

Did you just say that Scorsese came before the French New Wave?