Is his new album any good? I was a fan throughout high school, but I eventually got fed up with his attitude and self-infatuation. I still think Antichrist Superstar is a great rock album, and Mechanical Animals is just short of being brilliant. I recently went back and listened to those two albums, and enjoyed them, and they made me curious about his new stuff. I heard Holy Wood was pretty lame -- that it didn't live up to the progression of quality represented in Mechanical Animals. Plus, I really hated the title, but maybe he's grown up a bit with this new CD...anyone listened to it yet?
holy shit, i didnt even know it was out yet. thanks.
holy wood isnt lame. its great
lol, what my friend said:
"First track's a throwaway. Kind of ambient stuff that's not necessary. Second track's shitty, I thought oh fuck, here we go with his crap again. Third track surprised me, the fourth track was even better. The fifth was pretty good too. The sixth was a fucking mess. It built and built and then the sixth track just brought it the fuck down. That's about as far as I got listening to it in Mike's car."
So. Might be good, hehe.
Quote from: cecil b. dementedholy wood isnt lame. its great
I'll second that.
The new album is good, but sounds a lot like Holy Wood.
The new album is okay (you've got your standard Manson-esque quotes which I love) and Holy Wood is AMAZINGLY BRILLIANT
he was only popular amungst teenagers, because that was a lame time that whole alterna era, and their was not many fun so called rebels to relate to
as soon as Eminem came out, it was over for manson
You're right, this guy has nothing left. When was the last time this has-been even put out an album
uh, golden age sounds nothing like holy wood. what the hell are you talking about, up there?
its pretty good, a little weird at first. maybe itll get even better with time. after i watch the dvd that came with it ill report back again
Quote from: cecil b. dementeduh, golden age sounds nothing like holy wood. what the hell are you talking about, up there?
its pretty good, a little weird at first. maybe itll get even better with time. after i watch the dvd that came with it ill report back again
the most disturbing thing about him is that picture of him as a teenager with the journey t shirt
by the way fuck you michael moore, manson has done nothing but profit from shit like colimbine, but i guess since moore has done the same he does not have much to say on the subject
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Lovemanson has done nothing but profit from shit like colimbine
how so?
i have heard this theory ..
that as marilyn manson changes with each cd
there is a master plan involved
he is playing out a story of this character of mariyln manson or something.
like the rise and fall of a rock star or something
maybe it's like this ...
portrait - little boy realizing his surroundings
smells - domancy and confusion and collecting ideas
antichrist - the birth of ego
mechanical - corruption of power
holywood - powerless
grotesque - ?
anyone have any insight into this.
or am i just stupid?
its really a backwards storyline involving three albums. in order of story: holy wood, mechanical animals and anticrist superstar. adam kadmon is given some apple of knowledge or some shit, and he has the power to change the world and start a revolution. on mechanical animals his revolution becomes just another product and he becomes the superstar omega. coked up, insane and realising what hes become, adam kadmon takes his own life on anticrist superstar.
ive heard somewere that a book and later a film should be released surronding this.
Has anyone read the Manson book? It's very entertaining and insightful
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: Hot Puerto Rican Lovemanson has done nothing but profit from shit like colimbine
how so?
his whole career was based on feeding teen angst, which is not to hard
anybody can depress a un atractive teenager.
sure we always hear about his connections to anton levay, but what about his lawyers and managers
its just a bunch of rich people, making money off of suckers
its not like he was selling just music he was pushing a image a lifestyle, a lie more or less
and plus he is just a bad alice cooper rip off
well, if you say so...
ive watched the short film by manson that came with the cd. its a 27 minute pretentious little student film-type thing (only its in colour rather than b&w, lol). sorta like jim morrisons film that was shown in the doors. its okay, nothing special.
I don't care for the visuals, it's actually a lot more reserved than I expected, but I love the audio track
I've never been much of a Manson fan... he's sort of like Madonna, to me. He tries to talk a real smart game and discuss himself as if he is an artiste under siege, but... the proof is in the pudding. The breasts were an interesting touch, but... that's pretty much it, for me. Mechanical Animals was his most tolerable, for me. I'd be as interested to hear The Golden Age as I was to hear American Life. Couldn't be any more of a letdown.
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1. his whole career was based on feeding teen angst, which is not to hard
2. anybody can depress a un atractive teenager.
3. its not like he was selling just music he was pushing a image a lifestyle, a lie more or less
1. youre so fucking deep, man. your wisdom is unparalleled.
2. youre really depressing me right now.
3. what exactly are you pushing, motherfucker?
Marilyn, the rock star, is great.
Brian, the person, is.....ah fuck. i cant even describe. just read the book, please.
1. why are people hittin up butterscotch all the time? hes right most of the time. maybe its because hes sayin things people wanna say but just 'cant'.
2. hes right on manson. the way hes gettin fans is the easy way, however his music can still be good.
3. mechanichal animals is brilliant. doubt any 'real' manson fan would state that.
Quote from: LoserterQuote from:
Marilyn, the rock star, is great.
Brian, the person, is.....ah fuck. i cant even describe. just read the book, please.
the fact that you are a fan of his says it all .
Categorizing all Manson fans as goths or Satan Worshippers or whatever the hell it is you think is like saying all PTA fans will have a 5 page dispute over the cover art for PDL
Quote from: tremoloslothCategorizing all Manson fans as goths or Satan Worshippers or whatever the hell it is you think is like saying all PTA fans will have a 5 page dispute over the cover art for PDL
i dont remember saying that, what i said is he is a big record company creation sold to teenagers
do you remember that scene in the movie " airheads"
where that manager is telling a band to act wacky because people like that
i dunno in this day and age i think dissing god is not very cutting edge its more like :: yawns:: been there done that give me something else
i was a fan of the book before i saw the movie.
if you didnt have angst as a teen, you mustve been completely blind, deaf, and numb.
btw- im not trying to start any wars today, that shits lame and fucks up the board. if you feel the need to get indignant, please, pm.
Well alls I know is that the whole antichrist thing wasn't what made me a fan, it was his music. I liked the way it sounded, and I think a lot of other people might feel the same. I know that if I go to a Manson concert I probably won't fit in, but that isn't the point. The gimmick is only effective on people who let it affect them, and their reactions to Manson are something that I find amusement in
Quote from: Lesteri was a fan of the book before i saw the movie.
if you didnt have angst as a teen, you mustve been completely blind, deaf, and numb.
btw- im not trying to start any wars today, that shits lame and fucks up the board. if you feel the need to get indignant, please, pm.
your opinion means nothing in this world why would i bother even care what you say
go back and put on your manson c.d boy your cool :: gives a thumbs up::
Quote from: tremoloslothWell alls I know is that the whole antichrist thing wasn't what made me a fan, it was his music. I liked the way it sounded, and I think a lot of other people might feel the same. I know that if I go to a Manson concert I probably won't fit in, but that isn't the point. The gimmick is only effective on people who let it affect them, and their reactions to Manson are something that I find amusement in
this is kind of funny did you know all his main guys were old haircut metal guys who changed their images to fit in to the 90's
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
his whole career was based on feeding teen angst, which is not to hard
anybody can depress a un atractive teenager.
i dont understand why people say crap like that about artists, musicians or performers.... if its so easy, then why dont you do it and get rich off of it? if its so easy to draw like a 2 year old, then why is picasso the only one recognized for it?
What?
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
his whole career was based on feeding teen angst, which is not to hard
anybody can depress a un atractive teenager.
i dont understand why people say crap like that about artists, musicians or performers.... if its so easy, then why dont you do it and get rich off of it? if its so easy to draw like a 2 year old, then why is picasso the only one recognized for it?
wait are you saying that he pushed his music before his image ????????
i think he pushed image first and music was second
he was more about pushing himself as a pop culture icon, and that image is so fake
why did he name his band after himself ???? it is all about him
and his image is so phoney , its all about trying to impress people like you
and now its done because teenagers have better people to pin their angst on
if i was 14 right now i would be a huge eminem fan
by the way i was a teenager during the manson era and well even then i would rather listen to hip hop
Quote from: godyour opinion means nothing in this world why would i bother even care what you say
go back and put on your manson c.d boy your cool :: gives a thumbs up::
ouch. your awesome, cutting-edge opinions are too much for my frail ego.
Quote from: LesterQuote from: godyour opinion means nothing in this world why would i bother even care what you say
go back and put on your manson c.d boy your cool :: gives a thumbs up::
ouch. your awesome, cutting-edge opinions are too much for my frail ego.
this is true
This is silly now. Butterscotch doesn't like Manson, others do. There really isn't anything else to say
Quote from: EminemIsA WhiteManWhoStoleTheMusicFromTheBlackManAndKilledIt
if i was 14 right now i would be a huge eminem fan
im in shock.
Quote from: tremoloslothThis is silly now. Butterscotch doesn't like Manson, others do. There really isn't anything else to say
ok.
out.
Quote from: tremoloslothWhat?
i think you directed this at me
everyone go here and then come and talk to me about manson and how real he be
http://www.metal-sludge.com/ExposedManson.htm
hey i dont like this "image" crap more than you do, but thats what the industry is like (which doesnt excuse it, im just saying) but dont come down on manson as if hes the only rocker to have a "fake image." come on.
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
why did he name his band after himself ???? it is all about him
they were originally called marilyn manson and the spooky kids but the record company wanted them to drop the spooky kids because the name was too long. hes the front man, i guess thats why it was "marilyn manson and." and everyone knows he has a big ego... what the fuck do i care
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
and his image is so phoney , its all about trying to impress people like you
he doesnt "impress me" i just like the music
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
by the way i was a teenager during the manson era and well even then i would rather listen to hip hop
oh well that solves it, since you prefer hip hop to manson that means youre right and im wrong. well guess what, i prefer manson to hip hop so... does that mean that now im right and youre wrong?
PS, its hard to keep track of who you are when you keep changing your name, you mind sticking to just one? thanks
Quote from: LesterQuote from: EminemIsA WhiteManWhoStoleTheMusicFromTheBlackManAndKilledIt
if i was 14 right now i would be a huge eminem fan
im in shock.
let us pray its toxic shock
Well that really is nothing new to people who have read the Manson book
except for the Tim Skold part since he's a new addition on the latest album.
no cecil i do not think i am better then you because i like hip hop.
and the name thing, well what can i say i get bored a lot
and i am a artist this is how i vent
ginger fishs old band looked pretty cool
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
everyone go here and then come and talk to me about manson and how real he be
http://www.metal-sludge.com/ExposedManson.htm
oh my god they didnt come out of their respective mothers in goth clothing! why dont YOU look at pictures of yourself from 15+ yeas ago. in 20 more years you think youll have the same haircut you have now? you think you wont cut it short (for example) if you need to to get a job? come on, everyones a hipocrite
Quote from: cecil b. dementedhey i dont like this "image" crap more than you do, but thats what the industry is like (which doesnt excuse it, im just saying) but dont come down on manson as if hes the only rocker to have a "fake image." come on.
The way I see it, Manson is a character without a doubt, but it's satirical of other music images
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackManand the name thing, well what can i say i get bored a lot
and i am a artist this is how i vent
well, maybe if you just stick to one avatar or something, just so its easier to recognize you
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
everyone go here and then come and talk to me about manson and how real he be
http://www.metal-sludge.com/ExposedManson.htm
oh my god they didnt come out of their respective mothers in goth clothing! why dont YOU look at pictures of yourself from 15+ yeas ago. in 20 more years you think youll have the same haircut you have now? you think you wont cut it short (for example) if you need to to get a job? come on, everyones a hipocrite
cecil my point was that they are a studio creation, no differnt then britney spears so i proved that
britney was created to sell music to teens and her image was created to give her a sexxy image to well men of all ages , well most men anyway
manson was created to be sold as some anto establishment rebel , but who the fuck was distributing his shit ???????
but hey if you like the music , well more power to you .
and i do not mean that in a sarcastic way
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackManand the name thing, well what can i say i get bored a lot
and i am a artist this is how i vent
well, maybe if you just stick to one avatar or something, just so its easier to recognize you
for you i will, see we differ on a lot of things but still we manage to keep it cival
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMancecil my point was that they are a studio creation, no differnt then britney spears so i proved that
no, theyre not a studio creation at all. but even if they were, what do i care they make good music. the sex pistols were assembled just like the backstreet boys were and well, you know the rest...
Quote from: cecil b. dementedhey i dont like this "image" crap more than you do, but thats what the industry is like (which doesnt excuse it, im just saying) but dont come down on manson as if hes the only rocker to have a "fake image." come on.
they were originally called marilyn manson and the spooky kids but the record company wanted them to drop the spooky kids because the name was too long. hes the front man, i guess thats why it was "marilyn manson and." and everyone knows he has a big ego... what the fuck do i care
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
and his image is so phoney , its all about trying to impress people like you
he doesnt "impress me" i just like the music
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
by the way i was a teenager during the manson era and well even then i would rather listen to hip hop
oh well that solves it, since you prefer hip hop to manson that means youre right and im wrong. well guess what, i prefer manson to hip hop so... does that mean that now im right and youre wrong?
PS, its hard to keep track of who you are when you keep changing your name, you mind sticking to just one? thanks
All pop music is based on artifice. This is why Manson- despite seeming to me a rather second-rate Bowie at best- is so much better than Eminem. I think the "keeping it real" apologetics for the excesses of hip-hop is total bullshit. If they were keeping it real, we'd see documentary footage of poverty, racism, drug addiction, and misery. Instead, they're trying to transcend the harsh reality by glamorizing and exaggerating themselves and their surroundings. Not "keeping it real" at all, actually, but they have to convince themselves and others that they are, as if they needed an excuse.
That's why the Bowies and Mansons are superior- they revel in the fact that what they're doing cannot escape artifice. They're better at the game than the thuggish kids who think they're "keeping it real," which only seems phony in a way that's just not as fun as the phoniness of the pop stars who can enjoy and manipulate it.
This post is dedicated to the great Cindy Sherman, whose
Untitled Film Stills went a long way toward informing my views on the topic.
first of godard, and i say that with the ut most of disgust
i never once tried to hide who i was , you cant do that here i dunno if you know that but your old posts convert over to your new name
and the rest what can i say i flung so much mud at you its almost not worth it since we both know you enjoy playing in the mud
the eminem thing well when it is all over and done eminem will be remembered as some one who added to pop culture and helped move a long a art form. I will take the hip hop cummunitys word for this since they have excepted him as a legit rapper and one of the best ever ta boot
as far as the people here who will speak ill of him well all i can say is sure he is bound to ruffle the feathers of sheep who are programmed to only name drop things that are deemed to be hip
i am doing my best to show some class here , trust me i can shot some pretty low blows
so its up to you go right ahead and shoot back
by the way i love bowie and well by his own admission he is pretty fucking fake
but its the music i dig , it helps that i was not around to see him shamlessly trying to suround himself with lou reed and iggy pop
by the time i was born he was almost done with his berlin era music and he was about to enter the lets dance phase of his life.
around that time he admitted that the " gay " thing was just part of his image he was doing it to try and add to his mystiqe
sorry godard
anyways, i also hated his attempt at drum and bass that was kind of dumb but i did like that song " dead man walking" the melody was stunning but it was ruined by the choice of music he used to surround it
i liked that album hours, it was nice
he is very good at pop music , i would love to see work with bacharach
sorry dont get me started on bowie
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackMan
around that time he admitted that the " gay " thing was just part of his image he was doing it to try and add to his mystiqe
sorry godard
As all pop stars do with everything they make public. You can't proclaim anything to the world on that level without it being to add to your image.
It's silly that you seem to think I like Bowie because of the gay connotations, which have been wildly exaggerated by the press and fans over the years. He claimed he was bi once, and apparently he slept with a few men and lots of women early on and enjoyed both at that period of his life. But in the end, it didn't matter what
he was. What mattered is that through his music and image he toyed with concepts of gender and sex in a fun, fascinating, aesthetically rather defiant way that implicated the listener in questioning assumptions about such things. He certainly did more than, say, George Michael or even Elton John, performers more "gay"-identified than he is, to legitimately yet entertainingly address gender/sex themes in a way that expanded our culture's frame of reference.
I think Marilyn Manson tries to do something similar, but he just doesn't have nearly the finesse and fluidity and intelligence Bowie brought to the table.
For more on Bowie's chameleonism bringing about his artistic downfall when he decided to try to win over the Reagan crowd, see (allegorically)
Velvet Goldmine, or (more literally) any record guide or any Bowie biography/discography. I think there have even been instances where he has verged on disowning the
Let's Dance ere, where he admits that his eighties stuff is professional and empty, not work he's proud of, though it did get him a lot of lucre. Art and commerce had a very particularly unholy alliance in the eighties; guess which one suffered more.
velvet goldmine was shit, and yes i agree that manson is no where near bowie so much so that it makes me ill that people would draw a line towards the two
i think lets dance had some great stuff, and well sure he wanted to get paid
but modern love, and china girl and the theme to cat people
all fucking great
the rest of the 80's well no comment
by the way i think his china girl was much much better then iggys
bowie brought the scarey exotic side to it
bowie rocks. manson rocks. cindy sherman rocks.
and that's all i have to say about that.
Hey you guys, let's start a Bowie thread so that I can agree with Butterscotch on something
Quote from: tremoloslothHey you guys, let's start a Bowie thread so that I can agree with Butterscotch on something
should we hug ?
Could we?
Quote from: tremoloslothCould we?
we just may have to
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Now, i believe i am qualified to talk about this, as i have toured with marilyn manson as an assistant sound engineer.
After shows, he ties his hair back, puts on regular clothes, and sometimes even plays football with the road crew.
He accepts that it is simply an image, in fact, he asked trent reznor, from nine inch nails, how best to become famous, and trent replied, "be the most disgusting, controversial person you can." Guess what, it`s worked.
So stop claiming he is "for real"
He is a really nice guy who barely has a bad word to say about anyone, and his image is just that...an image.
that part about him playing football just may be the death blow to his image
Quote from: SantaClauseWasA BlackManthat part about him playing football just may be the death blow to his image
Yeah, but he plays with real virgin pigskins slaughtered and skinned before the concert in their Satanic sacrifice ritual.
what if he is like puddy from seinfeld in real life
i find this inspirational,my mind is flooding with funny ideas
on stage he is the prince of darkness offstage he is puddy
Quote from: neverevenHe is a really nice guy who barely has a bad word to say about anyone, and his image is just that...an image.
so how he acts on the guns god and goverment doc on the dvd is just a performance then?
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: neverevenHe is a really nice guy who barely has a bad word to say about anyone, and his image is just that...an image.
so how he acts on the guns god and goverment doc on the dvd is just a performance then?
i bet he is just like tim allens charecter in home improvement
It's a sad (or at least boring) day when you pull the new Rolling Stone out of your mailbox, there are four prominent pop-music personalities on it, and the most exciting one is Marilyn Manson...
Actually, maybe it's just sad that I'd be pulling a Rolling Stone out of my mailbox at all. :oops:
Everytime I am able to hear Marilyn Manson talk at length, I feel the promise of him being able to give better music. He is very intelligent. Alas though, he doesn't in anyway and continues to milk his own gimmick to success though the popularity of that gimmick has waned incredibly over recent years and its obvious he needs to fucking change (evolve) somewhat.
~rougerum
you dont think his music progresses from record to record? okay
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetEverytime I am able to hear Marilyn Manson talk at length, I feel the promise of him being able to give better music. He is very intelligent. Alas though, he doesn't in anyway and continues to milk his own gimmick to success though the popularity of that gimmick has waned incredibly over recent years and its obvious he needs to fucking change (evolve) somewhat.
~rougerum
This is a feeling I've had, too. That's why I think the pop artist he's closest to is Madonna... they're better at the art of publicity and attention and pose and performance (not an insignificant skill) than they are at the art of making records. And they can both talk an at least pretend-intelligent/intellectual game, but it seems as if all their ideas emerge in their music as embarrassing sloganeering, dumb confession and ooky-spooky, campy "transgression."
I listened to a few tracks of 'Golden Age' today at the record store. That first instrumental track was awesome. The rest of it does feel very antiquated and immature, but he does have a knack for catchy pop-rock. I haven't heard Holy Wood, yet, other than the forgettable Disposable Teens single, but I don't think he's fulfilling the musical promise of Mechanical Animals, or, as GT said, the intelligence diplayed in his interviews.
His next album should have a picture of him on the cover with no makeup, no costume, just his ordinary everyday appearance.
Ghostboy, go listen to Holy Wood ASAP
Quote from: GhostboyHis next album should have a picture of him on the cover with no makeup, no costume, just his ordinary everyday appearance.
i actually had that idea for him to do in a music video
Quote from: GhostboyHis next album should have a picture of him on the cover with no makeup, no costume, just his ordinary everyday appearance.
I don't know.....wouldn't that kind of reek of the time KISS did that? KISS sucked even more without the makeup. But then again, Manson is a lot better than KISS.
I just saw El Topo this evening. Not only do I suddenly realize that the wonderful video to 'Man That You Fear' owes just as much to Jodorowsky as it does to Fellini, but I suddenly see exactly why Marilyn wants to star in The Son Of El Topo. That would be soe awesome if that got off the ground. I read about this time last year that it was actually in pre-production...
has anyone noticed how he ripped of faith no more's 'be agressive' in mobscene. that cheerleader choir is directly stolen.
my thoughts on manson is that he's ass said very intelligent and very skilled as a rock musician but his music is mostly not my cup of tea. mechanical animals is brillant, anticrist is very very very overrated and holy wood is good but pretty forgetable.
do i detect a pulse.................................CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
time to get this thread started after (almost) a month long coma
Here is my take- So PLEASE don't hate me if it offends you- this is IMO!!!!!!
1.the average listener is prob. around 12-17
2.the satanic angle is cheap/stupid/immature/overused/fake
3.he has marginal music talent
4.why would someone ACTUALLY buy his "art" :roll:
5.he is an entertainer more than a musician(if his noise and persona ACTUALLY entertain you)
6.he gets his fans through gimmicks(see #2)
7. :lol:................ that is what most people do when they look at someone's cd wallet and see a cd of his music in there.
I agree with some of that. Not all. If M. Manson had been around when I was a teen, I may very well have been into him. Maybe he would've been the one to point me towards Brecht/Weill. He seems to have good taste/influences, but they get lost in the execution.
The "satanic" stuff is dumb, but maybe that's his point...?? I don't know, I'm just guessing. He doesn't seem dull enough to actually believe in "Satan."
He doesn't. Read his book
Quote from: NEON MERCURYthe satanic angle is cheap/stupid/immature/overused/fake
tell me where he says he worships satan?
Yeah, while I do think he can be immature, there's really nothing about satan in any of his music. The title Antichrist Superstar is about as close as he gets. At least on his first few albums.
I misjudged Manson too at first. When I heard him talk in Bowling for Columbine, I looked deeper and found out the guy's quite intelligent ! And when I recognized him in Lost Highway, my respect even grew higher :-)
His music can be pretty good too. Agressive yet not repulsive.
Like Reznor and NIN better though
Quote from: BoothI misjudged Manson too at first. When I heard him talk in Bowling for Columbine, I looked deeper and found out the guy's quite intelligent ! And when I recognized him in Lost Highway, my respect even grew higher :-)
His music can be pretty good too. Agressive yet not repulsive.
Like Reznor and NIN better though
Agreed!
Quote from: BoothI misjudged Manson too at first.
yes this seems to be the problem most of the time. people dont know what theyre talking about. if you dont like their music then you dont. get over it.
you dont see me posting "i hate rap because 1) its stupid 2) all songs are the same 3) its vulgar for no reason 4) eminem is a fake. why doesnt he buy clothes that fit him? its not like hell outgrow them and have to buy new clothes. and even if he does he can afford it." or ignorant crap like that in the rap threads
Quote from: cecil b. dementedQuote from: NEON MERCURYthe satanic angle is cheap/stupid/immature/overused/fake
tell me where he says he worships satan?
i NEVER said he worships satan He is playing that "ANGLE" He is using it in some sort of marketing ploy. b/c younger(SOME) people (i.e. high school students) find his vibe cool :roll: , rebellous, lewd, ETC., so they latch on to that they think it is cool. he is entertainment to some-SHOCK ROCK-w/o the TALENT- ( NIN are way better=shock w/talent)
C.B.D.:i thought the point of this board was/is to post opinions/messages/ideas/etc. i am stating MY OPINION...........if you wanted to stae your opinion(on rap music et al) than you should THAT IS WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR(i thought)sooooooooooooooooo...please don't take anthing i said personally. thank you
oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!notice how his popularity is ffffffaaaaaaaaaddddddddinnnngggg OUT> :wink:
Quote from: NEON MERCURYnotice how his popularity is ffffffaaaaaaaaaddddddddinnnngggg OUT> :wink:
If any part of our popular culture can be perceived as being "won or lost" as a popularity contest, we have all been in deep shit for a very long time. I try very hard to judge on the merit of the work and the persona only, not how many kids buy the records/see the film/(I would say read the book, but... *sigh*)
marilyn manson is a dirty dirty man.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051204/ap_en_mu/people_manson
Shock Rocker Manson Reportedly Marries
Sun Dec 4, 6:11 AM ET
LOS ANGELES - Shock rocker Marilyn Manson married his longtime girlfriend Saturday in Ireland, People magazine reported on its Web site.
Manson, whose real name is Brian Warner, married 33-year-old Heather Sweet in front of about 60 guests at Castle Gurteen, the home of a friend in Kilsheelan, County Tipperary, the magazine reported.
Sweet is a burlesque dancer who uses the stage name Dita Von Teese. They have been dating for four years and Manson proposed at their Los Angeles home in March 2004, People reported.
It was the first marriage for both.
Manson, 36, wore a black silk taffeta tuxedo and Von Teese was in royal purple silk taffeta with a corset. They were married in a non-denominational ceremony conducted by underground filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky, a friend of Manson, the magazine reported.
Quote from: Ravi on December 05, 2005, 12:35:28 AM
They were married in a non-denominational ceremony conducted by underground filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky,
hey, i'm just glad he's getting work.
Marilyn Manson playing author in 'Wonderland'
Shock-rocker Marilyn Manson will play "Alice in Wonderland" author Lewis Carroll in a movie that also marks his writing and directing debut.
Manson, whose real name is Brian Warner, is heading to the upcoming Berlin Film Festival's European Film Market to drum up financial support for "Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll," which is budgeted at about $4.2 million.
The film is set to begin production in the summer.
"It's a kind of art house horror; what people expect from Manson, they're going to get here," said the film's producer, Alain de la Mata of French sales company Wild Bunch.
Manson will attend Berlin to preview some of the music he has composed for the film as well as a trailer featuring the production's early art and costume design.
The Berlin Film Festival runs February 9-19.
Marilyn Manson Reveals He Came Close To Suicide; LP 'Was My Salvation'
'This was me realizing who I am, so this is the most important record I've ever made, in every possible way,' rocker says.
Source: MTV
There was a point not too long ago — but before news of the dissolution of his marriage to Dita Von Teese went public in late January — that Marilyn Manson realized he just didn't want to live anymore. His life was in utter turmoil, he had hit a wall creatively, and the idea that he didn't "have somebody to hold hands with through hell" was too much to handle.
"I was clearly at the point where I was ready to give up, and it wasn't that I didn't have the motivation to ... it was almost as if I couldn't bring myself to make a conclusion," Manson explained. "I can look back on it now like it was a different person, and I refuse to ever get to that place again. But it was mostly because I didn't feel that I had someone who was going to walk with me through the horrible reality that we live in. Did I want to kill myself? Yes. Did I come close to doing that? More than I'd like to think. The only thing I can say about it is, I feel like maybe I wasn't strong enough to make that choice. I guess I was just more lost than anything. I didn't have anything to attach myself to. I didn't have any emotions or fears — nothing to have hope for.
"There's a big difference, I discovered, between wanting to die and not wanting to live," he continued. "When you want to die, you at least have a goal. When you don't want to live, you're really just empty. That's the point I was at before I was able to make [his new LP, Eat Me, Drink Me]."
Manson said he needed to find a reason to want to live, and in time, did so in actress Evan Rachel Wood, who eventually became the rocker's girlfriend. "Finding someone who's willing to drown with you creates a situation where you no longer want to drown," he said.
It was meeting Wood, he said, that helped him salvage his muse and finish Eat Me, Drink Me. He recorded the effort — which follows 2003's The Golden Age of Grotesque, leaked online Tuesday and hits stores June 5 — in a Hollywood studio with guitarist/bassist Tim Skold. "It would be an understatement to say this record saved me," Manson said. "This record was my salvation. This was my rebirth. This was me realizing who I am, so this is the most important record I've ever made, in every possible way."
The album title can be interpreted to hold several meanings, not the least of which are the obvious references to "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" — he's been fascinated with the book and its author, Lewis Carroll, for years — vampires and the Catholic Eucharist. Manson also said the title was partly inspired by German cannibal Armin Meiwes.
"Once you've been in a position where you don't want to live, and you find a reason to live, you're perfectly justified to decide how you would chose to die," Manson said. "And if I had a choice, being devoured and devouring the person you're obsessed with is the most romantic idea possible. The only complication is the practicality of it, that one person just gets full and the other person's dead. I mean it in a literal sense and a metaphorical sense, but I think that I don't plan on being eaten anytime soon. I clearly want people to consume me with this record. I am offering myself as a sacrifice, and letting people see what's inside of you is really the same thing to me."
For the first time in Manson's career, he has written songs not about ideas, issues or his own beliefs, but about himself — a personal diary, if you will, spread out across 11 tracks. They include "The Red Carpet Grave," "They Said That Hell's Not Hot" and "Mutilation Is the Most Sincere Form of Flattery."
"I always probably chose ... I wouldn't say the wrong way, but I chose a different way of defining myself," he said of his previous studio efforts. "I didn't realize to prove that I believed in everything I was saying, or prove my powers as an artist, I always chose the most difficult thing. Whatever fit. I didn't realize just being me is the most difficult f---ing thing possible, and just making a record simply about how I'm feeling, it felt so perfect that I was able to finally realize that I didn't want to run away from music.
"I hadn't lived up to my capability," he continued. "I was trying to put all of these emotions or ideas or just energy into painting and cinema because I felt strangled with music — felt I couldn't do what I wanted to do. I didn't realize I was doing it wrong. By not trying to defend myself with my music, I'm simply letting it represent me. This is probably the way everybody starts out writing songs, and of course, I worked backwards. It's like going from heroin to Diet Coke — neither of which I'm a fan of."
Manson tried things with Eat Me, Drink Me that he'd never tried before by truly collaborating with Skold, who infused guitar solos into the songs — something Manson previously tried to shy away from. Working with Skold also encouraged Manson to take his vocals in new directions.
"The music led me to feel like I had to step up to a different level of doing what I do," he said. "It's very bizarre when I think about the fact that I wanted to make a very romantic record. That's been something in me, and I just made a mistake of trying to express my emotions and dedication and my idea of romance — I made the mistake of choosing marriage as the gesture to say it, when I realize now that a song can say it much stronger.
"It's not a negative comment on my past relationship, because I think the biggest mistake of it was marriage," he continued about Von Teese. "But it allowed me to see who I really was, and I've finally realized a lot of things that I started to slowly believe were false in who I am, including being a singer and a rock star. I started to see when I became friends with [Wood] that these were things that are what make me likeable, or make up my personality, and I somehow was completely oblivious to that. The fact that this record is something that people are identifying with so much on a basic emotional level is because I was trying to identify with one person, which I guess makes the simplest universal way of speaking to everyone. ... I am sharing some part of me that I've always hidden."
Starting in July, Manson will team up with Slayer for a run of U.S. co-headlining gigs. He said the pairing was inspired by a book he knew as a child.
"It was [Hal Lindsey's] 'Satan Is Alive and Well on Planet Earth,' and that was my theory with this tour ... now you know exactly where to find him," he explained. "I think our differences complement each other, and the uniting element in all of it is the darkness that both bands represent."
Fans can expect a more ostentatious stage show from Manson this time around, and they'll also be seeing a different backing band taking the stage: Skold, former Prodigy bassist Rob Holliday and drummer Ginger Fish.
"The show isn't going to be something that is basic or unimaginative in any way," he said. "This show will be probably my greatest undertaking in theatrics, and me trying to really bring back the power of rock star."
Marilyn Manson's Sex Scene: 'Stellar Acting' Or The Real Deal?
Steamy sequence with girlfriend Evan Rachel Wood in rocker's 'Heart-Shaped Glasses' clip causing a stir online.
Source: MTV
Did they or didn't they?
That's the question Marilyn Manson fans have been asking themselves since the full version of the rocker's self-directed video for "Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)" first appeared on YouTube and the like last week. The song is the first single from his upcoming studio LP Eat Me, Drink Me.
So are the sex scenes in the dark and disturbing clip between Manson and actress/girlfriend Evan Rachel Wood the real deal, or just frighteningly convincing simulations?
While a "source" close to the production allegedly told Radar magazine the couple didn't fake the scenes — stirring loads of online speculation about the on-camera coitus — Manson himself remained fairly neutral about the cause célèbre during a recent interview with MTV News.
"Let's say there were some conservative people involved [with the video] that got a little upset about things that were taking place, and there's been rumors back and forth, but I will not confirm or deny them," he said. "I did insist that Evan be paid the most that any actress has ever been paid in music-video history to be in this, even though she wouldn't have asked for it. There's no one else that could've been in it, because it was inspired by her."
The sex scene, which kicks off the first two-and-a-half minutes of the clip, depicts Manson and Wood violently kissing while writhing around locked in a passionate embrace, making purposeful love. The scene then cuts to Manson and Wood driving down a highway in the dark, with Wood daring Manson to go faster. The rocker takes his hands off the wheel to snap numerous pictures of Wood, 19, who lifts her leg up to the wheel and holds a knife to her mouth while wearing heart-shaped glasses. Manson has said the song was directly inspired by Stanley Kubrick's 1962 rendition of Vladmir Nabakov's notorious, pedophilic novel "Lolita."
In the next scene, Manson is seen performing the tune before a huge audience, and Wood — still donning the glasses — watches him intently from the crowd. Shots of the couple driving continue to flash throughout the video, and the scene shifts to the bedroom, where the two seem to be drenched in blood. In another scene, Wood seductively massages her nether regions while watching Manson's onstage performance.
"Anyone who is lazy or, I guess, has the lack of depth to expect [a video from me] to be shocking and then say it's not shocking, is essentially the same as saying your partner is bad in bed when you're a masturbator," Manson explained. "I wasn't intending to be shocking — I was intending to make something romantic, in the tradition of 'Bonnie and Clyde' and 'Rebel Without a Cause.' It's a dark video — I'll say that. It begins with a very explicit sex scene and ends with this sort of thunderstorm of blood and driving a Corvette off of Mulholland Drive, on fire. So, I think it's one of those 'buyer beware' situations. You can't be mad at me when you know what you're asking for."
The video was shot using 3-D technology developed by "Titanic" director James Cameron, which Manson said is "essentially like reality — it's like sitting in a room with the person, and its more of a surreal experience. It's sort of a hyper reality — that's what Cameron referred to it as."
Shooting the clip proved challenging, Manson said, as he needed multiple crews to shoot the action from different angles in order to ensure the video's 3-D effect. "This camera technology is uncharted territory," he continued. "There were two crews there: one that was mine and one that hated me. Everything that I wanted to do was technically wrong to the people who hated me, because of the stellar acting and performances that took place in the sex scenes. They considered it to be pornographic, because they thought there may or may not have been too much realism to what was being filmed."
And Manson admits the scenes — in which Wood moans like a banshee, at times — seem very realistic but wouldn't confirm fans' suspicions one way or the other. "It does look real," he said, with a telling snicker.
A spokesperson for Manson's label would not confirm whether the scenes were legit or, as Manson contends, just prime examples of "stellar acting." It should be noted, though, that rumors of steamy onscreen sex being real is a tried and tested publicity ploy. In fact, it was rumored that actor Mickey Rourke had actual sex with co-star Kim Basinger in 1986's "Nine 1/2 Weeks" and Carré Otis in 1990's "Wild Orchid." More recently, Sienna Miller denied she had sex with Hayden Christensen in the film "Factory Girl."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFYdRHYZ67w
i can't believe it. despite the controversy, despite the fact that i think manson looks like shit and his act is tired, despite the fact that i think his relationship with evan rachel wood is nauseating, despite the ridiculously obvious lolita references and horrible lyrics, i really really like this new single.
it's catchy.
i was waiting for someone else to say it.
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i agree man. i'll even steal the album. i've heard this track more than suvivalism and whatever else those NIN is shitting out these days.
The new Manson material has surprised me too, but it's nowhere near as good as Year Zero.
great album, GREAT solos