(Lost - Alias) X (Crash - racism) X Unbreakable = Heroes
I think the show wishes to be the above formula.
You also have to subtract any trace of decent acting or dialogue.
The similarities between this show and Lost don't just stop at the ad campaign; they're really trying to piggyback on a show that has the exact fanbase they want. But the worst thing of it was that the show was so artlessly directed. Like my girlfriend said, it's like they took the crew of Law & Order and gave them a trash bag full of J.J. Abrams' thrown-out ideas.
They spent too much time with the characters introduced when they should have done the Lost/PTA method of introducing everyone as fast as they can and then go back to them later. How many times do we need to see the cheerleader mutilate herself? That fall explained everything we needed to know; she's Wolverine. We didn't need to see the ribs or the train or the ring in the garbage disposal. They should have spent more time with the Indian dude who seems to be the Professor X of the show. Instead, they tried to ensure that 15 year-old boys with raging hard-ons will continue to watch the show by having Hayden Pantierre in a cheerleader outfit through half of it.
And the NYC painting was enough to make me stop watching the show altogether. So fucking cliche. They couldn't come up with something better than to save New York from destruction?
I'm giving the show one more episode but I think it's already cemented itself in the category of Not Lost, which makes it no good to me.
I'm intrigued enough by it to keep watching until I either decide I like it or give up on it. The Japanese guy and the Indian guy were interesting. The others, not so much.
Hayden Pannatiere = Bruce Willis in Unbreakable
This was the premiere episode, right? Because I felt like I was missing a whole beginning introduction episode. I watched the entire thing and I still feel like I came away not knowing anything, not one thing, about the characters other than their 'abilities;' not even their names.
I think I'm out. The show is more concerned about the 'abilities' than about the characters. None of them question why or how they got their 'powers.' And they are none to discreet with them, and even those who do know, don't seem to be surprised either. While I would be fine to go along with them if it followed an X-Men-type storyline (since the show is so trying to be a comic-book), I think the show will become a Lady In The Water-type meeting of the 'chosen ones' by the end of the season. Not even Laura from Brick was worth watching in this. It's this year's Invasion.
You know I haven't even watched last night's episode yet but after reading that, I don't want to. Still, to its credit, it's better than Invasion in that it was able to hold my attention longer (if only slightly) than the first 5 minutes of the pilot.
As much as I'm underwhelmed by it, I may keep watching for 2 reasons. 1) All the critics keep saying it improves after the first two episodes; and 2) they were filming in a hotel in City of Industry where I briefly stayed back in August and I want to see it.
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 03, 2006, 01:19:51 AM
Not even Laura from Brick was worth watching in this.
You shut your damn mouth.
Anyways, everybody here has gotten so fickle when it comes to TV. Maybe I just keep my expectations low or something, but when shows like this and Studio 60 come out, my response isn't "not as good as they could be," it's "way better than most of the crap out there."
And remember, last night's episode was technically still the pilot, so you can't make any final judgements yet. Pilots suck. Always. They're awkward, gangly little globs of exposition that exist only as a measure of potential, not as a gauge of quality. The only truly great pilot ever was Lost, and now we're spoiled because of it.
Quote from: polkablues on October 03, 2006, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 03, 2006, 01:19:51 AM
Not even Laura from Brick was worth watching in this.
You shut your damn mouth.
Sorry, but she played second fiddle to a lizard.
Quote from: polkablues on October 03, 2006, 05:45:55 PMAnd remember, last night's episode was technically still the pilot, so you can't make any final judgements yet. Pilots suck. Always. They're awkward, gangly little globs of exposition that exist only as a measure of potential, not as a gauge of quality. The only truly great pilot ever was Lost, and now we're spoiled because of it.
Yes, I can make judgments now. If they don't set up the characters in the pilot, why should I care what happens to them during the rest of the series? I'm not comparing this to Lost, but give me a reason to tune in every week for people I can care about. I got that from Homicide, Alias, even Dawson's Creek to name a few.
I think the show tries too hard to be "the great new show on TV" and thats why it fails... its not a bad show, but the expectactions and the hype were too much.
I will give it a couple more episodes and see how it develops. I like the Japanese guy, and I like how the 2nd episode ended (in terms of space/time/abilities, etc). So we'll see how it continues...
But again, I think the biggest problem is that everybody talked so much about the show that they fucked it up... usually this shows are good when they are discovered and nobody has great expectactions... like LOST... who nobody really believed it would be the sucess it was, or Desperate Housewives, or even Two & 1/2 Men.
I dunno if I agree with you that the show's hype caused its demise, I think it's a bad show by most standards. however, it does seem like NBC this season is pushing every show like it's the most briliant thing ever. I don't watch much TV, so maybe NBC has been doing that all along, but this season's it's been a little ridiculous in its hubris.
Yep, I'm with Mac on this. I'm still going to give it one more episode but I'm pretty much out. Laura from Brick was a waste in this show. And it's painfully obvious that she and the Indian dude are gonna get a little Sayid/Shannon action going on.
Quote from: polkablues on October 03, 2006, 05:45:55 PM
Anyways, everybody here has gotten so fickle when it comes to TV. Maybe I just keep my expectations low or something, but when shows like this and Studio 60 come out, my response isn't "not as good as they could be," it's "way better than most of the crap out there."
The only truly great pilot ever was Lost, and now we're spoiled because of it.
Yes, Heroes is better than most of the crap that's on TV and I'd much rather watch it than CSI or most hour-long dramas on network TV. But that's like saying X-Men 3 is a better movie than Catwoman; maybe so, but do I really
have to watch it? Lost definitely spoiled almost everyone's concept of what a show should be but even if I didn't watch Lost or get caught up in the obsession, I still wouldn't like this. 24's pilot was much better written and executed (and more engrossing) than this one is too so it's not just the Lost factor. It's still poorly acted and the writing is average at best... it feels like a Roland Emmerich movie. There's not much energy to the show, except for the Nightcrawler Japanese guy and the Jean Grey cop (who was in the pilot of Lost). And like Mac pointed out, we barely know their names and barely know anything about them besides their powers, which are kind of boring powers if you think about it.
I can appreciate that they want to do the Unbreakable thing where the characters are just regular people who suddenly realize they have superpowers but the problem is that, with Unbreakable, we were allowed to see who Bruce Willis was before he understood why he survived the train crash. With Heroes, it just feels like any other superhero story because we're introduced to them via their powers. That takes away from the "ordinary people doing extraordinary things" aspect they're trying to go for. They're not ordinary people
just because they're cops and cheerleaders and Vegas trash. They're ordinary because they don't do shit. We see them almost immediately doing shit, for fear of viewers turning off. But yet, they take too long with the introductions. I mean, damn, Smallville is able to capture that ordinary person thing better and it's about Superman!
But like I said, one more episode.
Quote from: kal on October 04, 2006, 12:44:49 AM
I think the show tries too hard to be "the great new show on TV" and thats why it fails... its not a bad show, but the expectactions and the hype were too much.
It's trying too hard to be Lost specifically and THAT'S why it fails. Like all the Tarantino copycats in the mid 90s. You have Heroes, which has the sci-fi angle and similar cast diversity as Lost, you have The Nine which has a similar flashback angle as Lost from what I've heard, you have Six Degrees which has the "everybody's connected"-ness of Lost. And that Vanished show on Fox is more like a bad 24 but they have an extensive online game they tried to do that apparently failed miserably because it was poorly executed. I haven't seen The Nine and Six Degrees but I'm sure they're not doing too hot either because all these shows are trading on a gimmick.
this season's new sci-fi/suspense shows: Lost :: all
non-CGI (EDIT: I meant non-
Pixar) CGI animation: Pixar
The Japanese guy's story is still the most interesting. And I'm waiting for the acting to improve.
The Japanese guy is the ONLY interesting part; I wish he had his own show. And the acting won't improve unless they largely recast. I'm done with the show.
I turned off this episode when the Fake Sayid threw his laptop across the room and found a journal in it.
Give the Japanese guy his own show. I don't care if its going to be in Japanese, just do it!
I'll probably continue watching just for him.
Quote from: Ravi on October 09, 2006, 09:11:29 PM
The Japanese guy's story is still the most interesting.
Quote from: othersparrow on October 10, 2006, 08:48:00 AM
The Japanese guy is the ONLY interesting part; I wish he had his own show.
That's because he's the only character who fully realizes his power, and uses it in a "comic book" way. Meaning that he understands the power and knows what he must do with it. The other characters have storylines that are unnecessary to the overall story arc; like the brother's campaign, date rape, etc. What does all that have to do with the destiny of these people? I think there's a reason NBC.com can give 2 minute show recaps.
Instead, why not explore how they got these powers? Gift/curse Spiderman-type storylines?
Quote from: othersparrow on October 10, 2006, 08:48:00 AMI turned off this episode when the Fake Sayid threw his laptop across the room and found a journal in it.
Then you missed the part when fake Sayid just so happened to accidentially bump into the "hidden" door that lead to a secret area.
I'm only really watching it now because there's nothing else on at that time, so I have one eye on it and another on my book.
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 10, 2006, 10:21:50 PM
I'm only really watching it now because there's nothing else on at that time, so I have one eye on it and another on my book.
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Quote from: MacGuffin on October 10, 2006, 10:21:50 PM
I think there's a reason NBC.com can give 2 minute show recaps.
That's still less disturbing than the fact that by episode 3, they're still putting the characters' names on screen when they first appear in the episode because even the show knows we don't know their names yet.
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 10, 2006, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: othersparrow on October 10, 2006, 08:48:00 AMI turned off this episode when the Fake Sayid threw his laptop across the room and found a journal in it.
Then you missed the part when fake Sayid just so happened to accidentially bump into the "hidden" door that lead to a secret area.
If the first thing hadn't made me turn it off,
that would have.
Despite all of this, I still want to like the show. Maybe it will be a big enough hit that 20 years from now, someone will direct a great remake of it.
I thought last episode was really good... finally the characters mixing up...
hiro in vegas was great...
anybody following this anymore?
nobody here watching this anymore?
I just finished watching the last 3 episodes since it started back and I think the writers are doing an amazing job putting all the stories together. It seems like they start answering some questions but there are many new ones coming up, and new characters.
Considering that 'hero' stories have been done in so many ways, this show is very original so far in the way it tells the story.
Still watch it. Still dig it. Love Christopher Eccleston.
I gave up when everyone kept saying "Save The Cheerleader, Save The World" with a straight face. And it felt like they spent way too much time on Ali Larter's character, and I can't take Clea DuVall seriously as a detective.
Quote from: MacGuffin on February 12, 2007, 01:02:03 AM
I gave up when everyone kept saying "Save The Cheerleader, Save The World" with a straight face.
I kind of like how goofy it all is, though. It's very much as if you were to take a comic book and adapt it directly to television without worrying about whether or not a comic book actually works on television. The whole thing is trying to be so sincere and weighty, but it comes off as endearingly silly, which I'm enjoying.
The whole Ali Larter thing also bothers me, but I think there is a clear path to where that is going. She is not a 'hero' so far after all.
The son is also going to develop into a cool character now that starts using his powers.
The "Save the Cheerleader" line was not that bad. I hated the "Are you on the list?" thing more.
Have they come to terms with their powers and actually done something substantial with them yet? Or are they still dicking around in the discovery stage? In any case, if you and polka are still digging the show by the time the season finale comes around, I'll put season 1 on my netflix queue.
Some of those questions have been answered, including where the story is going (kinda). The characters are also connecting more somehow making their purpose more clear. However, some are still exploring their powers and even though they know what they can do, its not clear how will that have to do with the story. The thing is, and for what I read, they really thought the story well before they started so its not that they are just figuring out along the way.
Anybody seen tonights episode? Fucking awesome.
They really nailed it last night. It was the first completely good episode I've seen. No crappy dialogue or wasted story. Just tight, touching and damn good.
Yeah, with the exception that everyone in a 2 mile radius should be dying of radiation poisoning.
Anyway. I hate this show. My wife makes me watch this, seriously.
Yeah, my biggest complaint is that the radioactive character should be sending everyone to radiology, but nope, no one is concerned. Also, Ali Larter's storyline is boring.
Other than that, I really do enjoy it. I don't get into it like other shows, but it's quite entertaining.
Heroes' Creators Look At Year Two
Tim Kring, creator of NBC's Heroes, told SCI FI Wire that he and his writing staff are looking ahead at season two and that if they've taken one lesson from their freshman year, it's this: Don't be afraid to reveal secrets, even big ones, along the way. "I have to admit I feel pretty good about the fact that we didn't leave a lot of things dangling for people," Kring said in an interview at Wizard World in Los Angeles on March 17. "There were one or two moments where there were things we had answers to and we couldn't film them, or we cut them in the editing room, and I regret that. But I do think this idea ... of not being too precious with any one idea is really an important lesson: to be willing to kill people off and take the really tough decisions to kill off characters that may be fairly popular for the sake of reinventing the show. It has to have a kind of constant sense of reinvention, or else we're going to die of our own inertia."
Kring added that he and his writers are trying to avoid the problems that other TV shows encountered after hitting big in their first seasons, only to falter in subsequent seasons. "The other big thing is we just have to reveal things in a timely fashion and not let them build up," he said, pointing to the example of The X-Files, which built up so much mythology over the course of 10 years that no answers were likely to satisfy the audience. Kring added: "I think we want to have some more romance, I think we're missing that. I'd like to have some more romance on the show."
Kring also said that he wants to tell a few more stories along the lines of this year's "Company Man," which detour away from the season's main story arc and delve a bit deeper into the backstory of a single character or two.
With the examples of Twin Peaks and even Lost, Kring is aware of the pressure for Heroes to maintain its quality and appeal. "I'm as worried about that as anyone else," he said. "I would be lying if I said that that doesn't keep me up at night. Because I do think that you only get one chance to really have a first impression, and that first blush, like anything else in life, whether it's food or a relationship, ... always has a certain bloom on it that is hard to relive. That being said, one of the ... basic premises of the show was setting up a world and a premise that would allow us to rejuvenate and not to be locked onto the same characters. So some of that secret weapon is the ability to bring on some new people. And I think since it's a show where I think mostly the reason that people watch it is they're enjoying the characters, ... if we can create new characters that people are intrigued by, you get a chance to start afresh with people. So that's the whole conceit. And then the other thing was the idea of trying to wrap things up in one season. Or one volume. And then start over in the next volume, but something new, so you give people the sense that there are closed-ended qualities to the show." Heroes will wrap its first season with new episodes beginning April 23 in its regular timeslot, Mondays at 9 p.m. ET/PT.
I spent the majority of this episode trying to figure out what the hell happened in the last episode.
Quote from: Gamblour. on April 24, 2007, 09:39:33 AM
I spent the majority of this episode trying to figure out what the hell happened in the last episode.
i watched Parasite like 4 times during the break, so i was fine.. the ending of 0.07% was predictable to me but only because i think that's what we were all waiting for.
I think its great... not easy for a show to be so exciting and intriguing when they go back and forth between present and future, have characters painting the future and thinking they know everything that will happen... the new episode was great and I like that they are finding time for every character (like Lost used to be)
Quote from: kal on April 26, 2007, 01:51:30 AM
(like Lost used to be)
Please don't be like my friend who argued with me that Heroes is better than Lost, like when he said, "I like it because the characters' lives are all intertwined."
Thats not what I meant. I like the Lost episodes when they try to include all or most of the characters and not just when its focused on a little group. That does not mean that I think Heroes is better or that Lost 'lost it'.
Lost is still my favorite show, but I'm very impressed with how good Heroes is.
Quote from: Gamblour. on April 26, 2007, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: kal on April 26, 2007, 01:51:30 AM
(like Lost used to be)
Please don't be like my friend who argued with me that Heroes is better than Lost, like when he said, "I like it because the characters' lives are all intertwined."
Must be a big "Crash" fan.
But not Magnolia.
LOST is Magnolia to HEROES Crash.
i've never actually seen heroes. i'm just shit-talkin.
Those comparisons really make no sense.
Magnolia = GREAT FILM
Lost = ALMOST GREAT SHOW
Heroes = Pretty good show with a lot of potential
Crash = &$*@&#!
So after directly ripping off the Watchmen's big twist ending I'm guessing the second season will deal with and alien who kills Claire. Soon though, four Claire like beings will surface each claiming to be the real Cheerleader: Baby Claire, Future-Half-Robot Claire, Energy Claire and a guy that dresses up in a mecha Claire suite.
I guess there's still room enough in Season 1 to pull a Days of Future Past from X-Men out of the hat.
Maybe Kring will even throw in a little Spider-Man Clone Saga to before the finale. Hack.
Agree. What a filler episode. The whole time, my friends and I were constantly aware of the uselessness of the episode. It doesn't matter how cool the writing or the twists are, it amounts to absolutely nothing. The characters' motivations in the future are completely pointless and I couldn't care less. It doesn't matter how "cool" it is that Peter has a scar or Parkman is kind of an asshole now. This is a future that will never come to fruition, and therefore has no benefit to me as an viewer.
Like my friend said, this could've been a piece of fan fiction.
I liked the episode. Great entertainment. Of course the future will not be like that, but its good to see how they thought about it.
Still, I did not love some of the stories... like Nikki with Peter and stuff like that made no sense.
The whole thing about Hiro was cool. And after a whole season of using his coat, Peter Petrelli was really like NEO now controlling everything like it was the Matrix... badass.
Claire becoming a waitress... not so great... I mean she had a lot of money she could have go somewhere better to hide and stay there... like outside the US?
Sorry you got sucked into this stupid, retarded show, kal. I know you mean well.
I, for one, was watching "The Holy Mountain" on my PC while my wife dragged me in an attempt to watch this show with her once again.
I dont know how nobody here watches this... I think many of you dont want to admit it. The show is actually good, and the finale was better that what I expected.
Actually, I thought the finale was kind of a mess. I still like the show enough to watch a second season, though.
The finale was just about the biggest joke and let down of any season ender I can think of. All of these predictions, all of the build up, all of the plot holes... just leads up to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
SPOILERS
Yes, flying your bro into the upper atmosphere is much better then knocking him out, sedating him (as they did Ted in the past) or capping him in the head and having him regenerate later.
Yes, challenge a dude that can control time to a "who's quicker" match.
Yes, protect that parking meter -- Save the fucking meters! -- but once you have go cuddle your useless, stupid husband.
Yes, I can phase through objects. Think I'll step in front of my wife and stop this bullet with my large intestine. Oh, yeah, forgot, could have just phased her to. My bad.
Yes, I have multiple powers. I can absorb them and use them at my will. Have you seen my power of fists. Here let me show you. Gogo fisticuffs!
Yes, we did just lamely beat the biggest threat in our lives. Oh time to party. Hahahaha good job all. Let's just walk away and not see that the huge threat just either crawled down a man hole or turned into a cockroach.
Yes, I am telepathic, but just like every other hero in this show, I have the secondary ability to eat bullets with my torso. Don't worry, I have a healing factor to. Didn't Cerebro tell you?
Yes, I did play Shaft. I think that's why NBC let me have another show appearance so I could pick up my scale for this episode. Pay no attention that my scene is completely useless and the writers are so lazy they don't even TRY to explain the reason for me being in this present-flashback.
Yes, I'm a rabid fan of a show called Heroes. It's the best show in the world. It's like 24 but with more plot holes and lazier writing. Don't you say that it steals well-known plot devices from popular comic story lines. Kring doesn't even read comics. I will defend this show to my death, despite I watch the evidence of how much crap it is every week.
Good day Heroes.
Quote from: sparrowhoff on February 12, 2007, 01:22:20 PM
In any case, if [kal] and polka are still digging the show by the time the season finale comes around, I'll put season 1 on my netflix queue.
Let's recap.
Quote from: kal on May 23, 2007, 01:09:23 AM
The show is actually good, and the finale was better that what I expected.
OK, so that's one...
Quote from: polkablues on May 23, 2007, 02:36:16 AM
Actually, I thought the finale was kind of a mess.
It's no good.
Quote from: polkablues on May 23, 2007, 02:36:16 AM
I still like the show enough to watch a second season, though.
:saywhat: So NOW what do I do?
Quote from: Raikus on May 23, 2007, 10:10:09 AM
All of these predictions, all of the build up, all of the plot holes... just leads up to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
I can't do it. I just can't. Those first 2 1/3 episodes I watched were just awful. I can't do it.
Season had about a 4:1 good episode ratio. So if you can suffer through those odds then do so.
Me, I'll keep watching it because it gives me something to make fun of.
I stopped watching, but I'm still curious... Have they saved the cheerleader yet?
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 23, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
I stopped watching, but I'm still curious... Have they saved the cheerleader yet?
Of course. That was a long time ago... :yabbse-grin:
Now they had to save
the world new york city.
I think you would like it Mac... you are not so uptight like other people here. Its good entertainment.
Quote from: kal on May 23, 2007, 12:10:13 PMOf course. That was a long time ago... :yabbse-grin:
Now they had to save the world new york city.
How is NYC not part of the world?
Quote from: kal on May 23, 2007, 12:10:13 PMI think you would like it Mac... you are not so uptight like other people here. Its good entertainment.
I just couldn't get into the characters and how the show only made them about their powers and not fully-developed three-dimensional.
Now I hear they have their own versions of Nikki and Paolo for a spin-off show.
Its cause something really bad will happen in NY and they act like if it was the end of the world. Considering the popularity of America in the rest of the world right now, I dont think the world will be over if NYC is destroyed. So saving NY does not equal to saving the world.
The characters developed a lot more during the season... its not about their powers only. Some of them are boring, and some of them are empty, but there are a few characters that are very interesting. I think the same happens with Lost and most shows that feature so many characters.
Dougherty, Roth writing 'Origins' episodes
Source: Hollywood Reporter
"Heroes: Origins" is beefing up its creative roster with top behind-the-scenes talent.
"Superman Returns" co-writer Michael Dougherty and "Hostel" writer-director Eli Roth have each been tapped to write an episode of the anthology spinoff from NBC's hit sci-fi series.
Roth will also direct his episode, which introduces new characters as they discover their extraordinary powers.
Roth and Dougherty, both "Heroes" fans, join another big supporter of the show, Kevin Smith, who was previously set to write and direct an episode of the Universal Media Studios-produced "Heroes: Origins."
Dougherty, who also co-wrote "X2," recently made his directorial debut with the upcoming Warner Bros./Legendary Pictures horror movie "Trick 'r Treat," which he also wrote.
... really? nobody watched the season 2 premiere?
just you and eli roth.
holding hands.
i just saw it... pretty strange... but who knows it may be a good season
Quote from: Cinephile on September 27, 2007, 02:36:28 AM
... really? nobody watched the season 2 premiere?
does anyone care about this show anymore or has it completely gone to shit?
let's delete the thread and pretend this never happened.
i only watched a couple of episodes and i wasnt so excited... im downloading all the episodes but havent watched. everytime i have time to see something and i have to decide between this, friday night lights, the office, or californication, i never seem to pick heroes.
its still been good but theres a LOT of mini-stories happening right now. i think they're going into ep 6 and there's gotta be at least 10 separate stories going on. so i trust they'll start to intersect sooner than later.
'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans
Tim Kring admits mistakes were made at the beginning of season 2, but promises to get back on track
Source: Entertainment Weekly
On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''
But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes — he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes — and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:
THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''
THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.
THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter's story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)
HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''
YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''
Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''
FUCK YOU TIM KRING. Welcome to Season 2, bitch.
now bring on LOST.
all this season i've been quietly gloating to my friends who jumped ship on LOST for this drivel. the biggest problem with that article is kring operating under the assumption that his show was once any good at all.
wow, what a fucking waste Heroes is. SO much potential.
Quote from: MacGuffin on November 07, 2007, 10:50:17 AM
'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans
apology not accepted. kring is the ratner of tv.
can anyone uh.. elaborate on that outburst?
i'm never watching this shit but i love to hear how bad it is.
be as spoilerful as you want.
Yeah, I'm curious too. It seems like everyone was on this shows nutz, but now they went back to their wife and hate it with all their hearts.
What happened?
So.... they shouldn't have saved the cheerleader? :yabbse-undecided:
it really is horrendously bad. my roommates are still really into it and every week i feel like i'm part of an MST3K episode. The events play out as if they were cooked up by a group of 13 year old boys at a sleepover, only if that were true it would at least have some imagination.
for instance,
one hero, Pete, can walk through walls. When he touches you he can bring you through with him. He uses this ability to break a friend out of prison. However, at the end, when the two of them are facing the door to a safe they have to get into, peter forgets he can do this. So naturally, he uses his mind to break the door open (yea, he can do that too. in fact, he can do pretty much everything, except for some reason a bullet to the head will kill him... because hey, every hero has to have a weakness!) Of course, it takes him just long enough to do this for the good heroes to show up and stop him.
another scenario,
another hero can mimic everything she sees on television (or on a cell phone, product placement!) for some reason she only seems to want to learn complicated gymnastics as opposed to, oh i don't know, learning how to be a brain surgeon or something? she uses her ability to break into the house of these thugs who stole a backpack from her cousin that had some comic books in it (really). they come home and catch her in the act, then kidnap her and tie her up in the basement of some abandoned store in hopes of burning her alive. (because you cant just shoot some bitch who breaks into your house. you have to tie her up in an abandoned store and then burn it down. i thought everyone knew this)
i could go on, but my head hurts
I bet Larry David could make this show awesome.
Wow, ok so I don't remember the last episode I saw (maybe the third one from this season), but I'm not caught, and judging from mod, diggler and others, I shouldn't even bother? That's good enough for me. I knew this show would end up terrible. All I ever did was watch it to complain about it.
Quote from: ddiggler on December 04, 2007, 11:51:10 AM
it really is horrendously bad. my roommates are still really into it and every week i feel like i'm part of an MST3K episode. The events play out as if they were cooked up by a group of 13 year old boys at a sleepover, only if that were true it would at least have some imagination.
for instance,
one hero, Pete, can walk through walls. When he touches you he can bring you through with him. He uses this ability to break a friend out of prison. However, at the end, when the two of them are facing the door to a safe they have to get into, peter forgets he can do this. So naturally, he uses his mind to break the door open (yea, he can do that too. in fact, he can do pretty much everything, except for some reason a bullet to the head will kill him... because hey, every hero has to have a weakness!) Of course, it takes him just long enough to do this for the good heroes to show up and stop him.
another scenario,
another hero can mimic everything she sees on television (or on a cell phone, product placement!) for some reason she only seems to want to learn complicated gymnastics as opposed to, oh i don't know, learning how to be a brain surgeon or something? she uses her ability to break into the house of these thugs who stole a backpack from her cousin that had some comic books in it (really). they come home and catch her in the act, then kidnap her and tie her up in the basement of some abandoned store in hopes of burning her alive. (because you cant just shoot some bitch who breaks into your house. you have to tie her up in an abandoned store and then burn it down. i thought everyone knew this)
i could go on, but my head hurts
fuck, that sounds worse than that one scene of californication (which was the worst scene on tv this year).
i feel sorry for anyone who chose this over LOST. in fact, anyone who watches the two and still enjoys this show, from the sound of it, must not be appreciating LOST at all. they would be satisfied with a show that insults their intelligence instead of one that rewards it. LOST is fun to think about, this is just painful.
and i can't believe this is what modage did instead of going to youth without shoes with francis ford coppola, tim timothy roth, and alexandra maria lara.
Quote from: Pubrick on December 04, 2007, 09:19:01 PM
and i can't believe this is what modage did instead of going to youth without shoes with francis ford coppola, tim timothy roth, and alexandra maria lara.
well i didn't choose Heroes. i would've had to leave work early for Youth, which i was going to do, but i got busy, and everyone i thought i was going with cancelled so.... oh well. the old me would've never let that happen though.
but yeah, Heroes sucks. nothing that happens on the show has any consequence. its fucking retarded. anyone that 'dies' can come back to life. anything that HAPPENS in the future can be stopped. nobody seems to learn anything on this show. i only started watching this when it came to DVD after months of prejudice because i kept hearing it was a fun show, but it's really pretty mediocre at its best. and at its worst, its awful and completely unsatisfying. (even kristen bell sucks on this show!) it is the un-LOST and anyone who jumped ship for this should not be allowed back onboard the S.S. LOST. let them drown. fuck them, and fuck Entertainment Weekly and every other publication last season that took little jabs at LOST while they touted this piece of shit show for being so much better. it didn't occur to anyone that Heroes was in its FIRST season! and LOST was in its THIRD season the first two of which were nearly flawless and the third of which had its ups and downs. but Heroes could not sustain its muted momentum for even 1 episode of season 2.
Are you on Lost's payroll or something?
LOST is life!
haha, I meant P.
then yes.
but that doesn't change the truth of what's been said.
i would gladly go on ABC's payroll to promote LOST, considering i do so anyway
There isn't much I wouldn't do for money. I can only think of one thing I wouldn't do, and ironically, it involves money.
Quote from: Stefen on December 04, 2007, 11:00:01 PM
There isn't much I wouldn't do for money.
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...but i won't do that
Dude, I've done that. And it wasn't even for money. Someone just triple dogged me.
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This was my wonderful moment: I watched the first six episodes of Heroes, for the the same reason that anyone did, because everyone was, anyway I watched the first six episodes of Heroes and couldn't watch anymore, thought the show was a complete waste of time, mind-numbing and addictive like all bad television, but then I came to Xixax and found that in fact there were many here that felt the same way.
I made it sixteen episodes into LOST before I had to stop watching. For comparison.
So I decided to give the show another chance and plow through the DVDs. I agree with mod that the show is "mediocre at its best." It does have so much potential, but it insists on getting bogged down by unnecessary plotlines and characters. The entire Niki/Jessica story is a complete waste of time. Split Personality Is NOT A Super-Power! The three of them together stole money, killed people, sold their flesh in more ways then one, one was an escaped prisoner - how is all that heroic? It had nothing to do with the overall saving the world plot. I found myself watching those scenes at double speed just to get through them. You could easily take them out/skip them and not miss a thing. The rest of story lines got more interesting, but it still relied on the characters powers rather than them as people.
Season 2 found me speeding through more scenes because there was a lot to hate. More characters and stories that go nowhere and have nothing to do with the mythology of the show. Thank God the writiers strike shortened the season.
Will I watch season 3? I'm interested in seeing if it does go darker as the promos are showing because I think that's what the show needs. I'm also curious if Kring learned from season 2 mistakes as he admitted.
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I like Heroes.
Is anyone still watching this show?...because I am and I'm hearing that it is going to get good soon.
This show went from promising to terrible faster than any show I've ever seen.
I only watch because I want to see how one show continues to jump the shark week to week.
Ditto.
Its been almost two months since I posted here and while I agree that its still continuing to jump the shark and the writing is pretty terrible, I have been watching this mostly as a guilty pleasure. A guilty pleasure thats potential and quality has been downgraded to B movie trash. Its in the same catagory I put in now, where grind-house pictures and melrose place belong. So bad its good. I don't buy into the 'there's good entertainment and bad and there is no such thing as soo terrible it's amazing' that Tarantino preaches. The premise has always been preposterous, but in the last 6 episodes its been trying to ground itself in some semblance of reality. I got my fingers crossed hoping the best that the next season pushes in a forward positive direction.