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how would you rank his films so far?

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Reply #90 on: May 30, 2021, 04:24:04 PM
1. Boogie Nights
2. The Master
3. Phantom Thread
4. Punch Drunk Love
5. There Will Be Blood
6. Inherent Vice
7. Hard Eight
8. Magnolia


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Reply #91 on: May 30, 2021, 07:49:38 PM
Is it fair to say Magnolia has become the most divisive film in PTA's ouevre, among PTA's fan? There doesn't seem to be much middle ground on it in assessments?


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Reply #92 on: May 30, 2021, 09:28:37 PM
Magnolia or Vice, I would say.  Or is there more middle ground on Vice?  I like Magnolia more and more with every re-watch.  It's generally solidly my #2. 


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Reply #93 on: May 31, 2021, 07:55:26 AM
I'd say there's a very vocal minority who loves Vice the most  :yabbse-grin:

Interesting enough, people who rank Magnolia high seems to have Vice low and vice versa. Make sense tho since Magnolia is his most PTA-feeling movie and Vice the least.


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Reply #94 on: May 31, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
Magnolia is his most PTA-feeling movie and Vice the least.

You've inadvertently articulated the reason Magnolia is always near the top and Vice always at the bottom for me:  complete emotional investment by me in the characters of the former, and a complete lack of same for the latter.


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Reply #95 on: May 31, 2021, 12:59:02 PM
I don't agree with that assertion at all



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Reply #96 on: May 31, 2021, 01:01:33 PM
Oh, IV had it moments for me.  But my counter-response would be to post ALL of Magnolia...or Boogie Nights..or Punch-Drunk Love...


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Reply #97 on: May 31, 2021, 01:05:05 PM
hyperbole is fine but the foundation of IV is romance and its overall narrative structure is a certain accomplishment whether it was successful or not. IV every bit feels like a PTA movie to me


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Reply #98 on: May 31, 2021, 01:08:16 PM
I could be wrong but I have the feeling that generally the old fans of his (since late '90s/early '00s) have warmer response to his early works (especially BN-Magn-PDL) than the newer fans who seem to prefer the post-TWBB era. Could it be just emotionalism? I dunno.

I have a particular friend who is a die-hard PTA fan for at least twenty years, he digs all of his movies, but every time I bring this discussion he claims that Magnolia will always be his favorite ("Of course he's evolved as an artist since those days and I respect that, he's still great, but my emotional bonding with Magnolia is unparalleled.")


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Reply #99 on: May 31, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
Well for me, Magnolia is number 1 and Inherent Vice is number 2. :)


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Reply #100 on: May 31, 2021, 01:30:51 PM
I could be wrong but I have the feeling that generally the old fans of his (since late '90s/early '00s) have warmer response to his early works (especially BN-Magn-PDL) than the newer fans who seem to prefer the post-TWBB era.

my emotional bonding with Magnolia is unparalleled.")

All true in my case.  The "Feels Trilogy" (BN,Mag,PDL) have always elicited the strongest emotional response from me.  Post PDL is more profound respect and appreciation.


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Reply #101 on: May 31, 2021, 01:50:10 PM
I could be wrong but I have the feeling that generally the old fans of his (since late '90s/early '00s) have warmer response to his early works (especially BN-Magn-PDL) than the newer fans who seem to prefer the post-TWBB era. Could it be just emotionalism? I dunno.

I have a particular friend who is a die-hard PTA fan for at least twenty years, he digs all of his movies, but every time I bring this discussion he claims that Magnolia will always be his favorite ("Of course he's been evolved as an artist since those days and I respect that, he's still great, but my emotional bonding with Magnolia is unparalleled.")

I will always love Magnolia and never forget the seismic impact it had on me when I was younger, but I can look back now and easily see it as the most objectively flawed of any of his films, not that that necessarily diminishes its power. Iím most inclined to rank Master at #1 these days, even if Vice is probably my real favorite.


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Reply #102 on: May 31, 2021, 02:33:24 PM
I could be wrong but I have the feeling that generally the old fans of his (since late '90s/early '00s) have warmer response to his early works (especially BN-Magn-PDL) than the newer fans who seem to prefer the post-TWBB era.

This is more or less accurate for me. My first viewing of a PTA movie was a rented DVD of PDL. Besides Sandler's involvement, I knew next to nothing about it prior to watching. I think this viewing occurred around the time it was first released on home video (anyone here own PDL on VHS, btw?). Hadn't seen anything like it, the style and tone was just fascinating, etc. Years later I saw the very first teaser trailer for TWBB, the one with the DDL voice over and the "Power in the Blood" hymn. The combination of those two things--seeing PDL and being intrigued by the TWBB teaser--solidified my interest in his filmmaking (not to mention finally seeing TWBB itself).

EDIT: Actually, after rereading your post I see that what I just wrote doesn't precisely match up with your idea. Anyway, my basic point is that I prefer PDL and the movies that followed it.


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Reply #103 on: May 31, 2021, 02:56:21 PM
Concerning Inherent Vice, I can understand wilberfanís arguments about emotional investment (or other frequent objections in general) a bit, and I think that is due to Pynchonís writing style and PTA deciding to let heavy pynchonesque doses into the movie, attempting at the same time to add his own sensibilities (mainly the dramatic/melancholic elements which are more distinct in the film than in the book, at least for me) but with the biggest possible respect for the source material. The quirky story/characters werenít simply a basic concept to work with and expand (like TWBB), thatís maybe why the final product seemed Ėor still seems- so peculiar for his standards at that point, even if imo itís a successful adaptation. I love it for what it is (in fact itís that film of his Iíve seen the most times).

[Not really relevant with this specific thread, I just wanted to express some thoughts]


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Reply #104 on: May 31, 2021, 03:27:42 PM
when I shed Pynchon from my perspective and look at the movie written/directed by PTA what I see is a clear intention to create a narrative that lacks a center and possesses a stray theme. it's a fully city-like narrative and its size always impresses me. I think within that there are certain traction problems and they were dealt with as best as they were