J.D Salinger and P.T

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March 05, 2003, 10:38:59 AM
I'm both a massive Salinger and Anderson fan (my favourite author and director respectively), and when I watch Magnolia I get this really strong JD Salinger vibe. It's partly the whole purity of children thing ("It is not dangerous to confuse children with angels"), partly the childrens' gameshow/child genius thing ('What do Kids Know' is surely a reference to Salinger's Glass family show 'It's a Wise Child'), and partly the moments of sudden and random - almost Zen-like - realisation and enlightenment. I don't know. What does anyone elese think? Has PT ever mentioned JD?
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UglyApe

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March 05, 2003, 11:45:21 AM
If JD and PTA are your favorite author and director, then you are my new best friend.
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children with angels

#2
March 05, 2003, 04:33:56 PM
I thank you kindly. What do you think about PTA's level of Salinger reference/ideology: is he a fan do you think...?
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children with angels

#3
March 06, 2003, 08:41:18 AM
Nobody has any thoughts on this...? Okay!
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Ghostboy

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March 06, 2003, 09:14:53 AM
I'm a HUGE fan of both Salinger and PTA, but I honestly never thought about it. Now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised, especially with the 'Wise Child' connection. But its definitely not as overt as, say, The Royal Tennenbaums, which seems to wear its Glass family influence on its sleeve.

Sigur Rós

#5
March 07, 2003, 04:27:23 PM
I've only red "The Catcher in the Rye" and I cant see any obvious connections between PTA and J.D Salinger. But Holden Caulfield has some of the same unchecked-agression as Barry Egan :-D

Ghostboy

#6
March 07, 2003, 07:03:25 PM
The connections would be more apparent in Franny & Zooey, any of the Nine Stories, and Raise High The Roofbeam, Carpenter.

Pedro

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March 07, 2003, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: Sigur RósI've only red "The Catcher in the Rye" and I cant see any obvious connections between PTA and J.D Salinger. But Holden Cornfield has some of the same unchecked-agression as Barry Egan :-D

Caulfield man, Caulfield.

bonanzataz

#8
March 07, 2003, 10:02:57 PM
Salinger rocks. I love Nine Stories, I'll have to reread that and read Franny and Zooy which I never got around to. I do see some similarities though. It never would have struck me if I wasn't looking for it. I'm sure Anderson read at least Catcher, b/c everyone that went through high school had to read that book.
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May 20, 2003, 10:39:11 AM
PTA and salinger are also my favorites, i totally saw the comparisons in magnolia and salingers work, my take most of salingers work is how kids are the only ginuine thing we have left and that they are all we have to try to save some of the profain things that come after we take the fall form grace....theres this great book on all this, i dont know if u guys have read it too: J.D. Salinger by: James Lundquist, its amazing.  but i think pta and salinger think alot alike, minus some of the hermit tendencies- but i guess pta's still young. i also like how they both have similar "real life" diolage, and even in thier harsh realities of things, they fit in very very sureal moments, and spiritual discoveries through unusual things- very catcher in the rye and franny and zooey, and how even with alot of melodramatic things happening he fits in tons of great dry humor.  yet i havent found many comparisons in boogie nights or punch drunk love, but hard eight i think has alot as well...the whole story just seams more focused on the characters and feelings than the story and i think jd salinger's stories are alot like that.  but i do agree with another post that mention wes anderson. i think wes has probubly the strongest similarities to jd, however i feel, to be compared to jd, he takes the comedy alot farther and loses some of the feeling in a way that catcher in the rye and magnolia do not.
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May 20, 2003, 11:14:08 AM
In an interview, PTA mentions loving/being influenced by Salinger, and I think he sighted Franny & Zooey.... but I'm not sure.
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May 20, 2003, 11:39:45 AM
Quote from: GhostboyRaise High The Roofbeam, Carpenter.

Anyone red it? It's really great! I can't really see the PTA-connection though....

godardian

#12
May 20, 2003, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: children with angelsI'm both a massive Salinger and Anderson fan (my favourite author and director respectively), and when I watch Magnolia I get this really strong JD Salinger vibe. It's partly the whole purity of children thing ("It is not dangerous to confuse children with angels"), partly the childrens' gameshow/child genius thing ('What do Kids Know' is surely a reference to Salinger's Glass family show 'It's a Wise Child'), and partly the moments of sudden and random - almost Zen-like - realisation and enlightenment. I don't know. What does anyone elese think? Has PT ever mentioned JD?

If you love Magnolia and Salinger and stories of disappointed "genius" expectations, you'll thoroughly enjoy Jonathan Franzen's The Corrections. It's an excellent, highly readable book, and my love for it completely apart from him pissing Oprah off. That was just a bonus.
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#13
May 20, 2003, 12:08:13 PM
Oh, the childrens quiz in Raise High The Roofbeam, Carpenter= What do kids know! Hehe PTA is a thief!

children with angels

#14
May 20, 2003, 12:33:39 PM
Abbey Road: Couldn't agree more with your take on this stuff - it's like hearing me talk... Yeah, I read the Lundquist - superb... I love all the stuff he had to say about Salinger with relation to Zen Buddhism and enlightenment.
With reference to that, I've always thought there's a moment in Boogie Nights where there is that kind of moment of realisation that Salinger often has in his books (more obviously done by PTA in Magnolia with the frogs): the moment when Dirk and co are doing the drug deal and there's this long, long lingering shot on his face as he thinks about what's going on around him and with his life. Following it he immediately gets up and says, "Listen, man: we better get going..."

Godardian: I've never heard of that book - must check it out...

SoNowThen: I knew it! Do you have any idea what that interview was in? I would LOVE to read it... I've always gone on about this connection and people have just looked at me blankly...
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