when it comes to the sex pistols vrs the clash , i have to give the nod to the pistols
see the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
where as the pistols just didnt give a fuck, thats what i like
they did and said whatever the fuck they wanted they tore shit up and terorized london, their tv show aperance on the bill grundy show was fucking amazing, give me 1 of those over 10 million bono at red rocks yelling " No war"
remember sid doing " my way" how fucking great was that ........... and yes we all know that song ended goodfellas so dont waste this post with a tell me about the frogs from magnolia type statement
were better then that
but like i said when it comes to punk the clash brought politics into the mix and fuck that shit
thats why i loved the beastie boys circa 84-89 they were just so great, i was too young to remember this but i bought a bunch of old tv show aperances and interviews and they were so fucking great, young brash rude and rich , licence to ill and pauls boutique are two of the best albums ever , and even though critics like to re write histroy they were just as rude and fucked up during their pauls boutique era, i have the interviews to prove it. They were fucking pimps
then the beastie boys turned to shit and well ........
then came oasis and they fucking rocked my world , they were so fucking cool, rock stars with attitude and Style
they were so fucking cool and they would tell everyone they were the best band in the world and then they would wish aids on pretentiouce fucks who got on their nerves
these are my heros
maybe thats why i loved hip hop as a teen, oasis brought me back into rock, or well into rock
before hip hop i guess i just loved what was pop on the radio and that was a good time for music maddonna before she started to think she was important , prince before he went nuts, micheal jackson ( see prince explanation)
i prefer the pistols as well
And that's why I choose the Clash
Quote from: tremoloslothAnd that's why I choose the Clash
what the hell do you know? youre a thread ruiner. *I* destruct myself. beat that
I could destroy you too if I felt like it oh snap
you can destruct my thread, but never my self.
the clash had great songs, but the pistols had the total package and i love the fact that glen from the pistols who wrote the songs would steal abba songs and punk them up
and of course add new lyrics, not the same lyrics abba used
thats funny really funny , he was a huge abba fan
hmm... the clash vrs. the pistols.
I think even though theyre both punk, theyre kind of on different sides of the punk spectrum.
The clash did have better songs than the pistols, and politics aside theyre were better. but the pistols not giving a fuck and glen being an abba fun are appealing...
i still love the clash more than the pistols. :?
You gotta love the Pistols...
There's a video somewhere where they get on a boat and go play God Save The Queen in front of the Queen herself. Before the end of the song there's like 10 coast guard boats all over them. Funny stuff.
And Vicious is just way too awesome...and by awesome I mean TOTALLY SWEET
Quote from: Pas RapportAnd Vicious is just way too awesome...and by awesome I mean TOTALLY SWEET
Yeah, I know. It makes me want to flip out and cut off his head.
Quote from: PawbloeQuote from: Pas RapportAnd Vicious is just way too awesome...and by awesome I mean TOTALLY SWEET
Yeah, I know. It makes me want to flip out and cut off his head.
i think non political rap picked up the slack the pistols left behnd from earlly run dmc and the beasties to people like the ol dirty bastard
guys just who just dont give a fuck and they are out to to subvert the mainstream and fuck it up for fun
thats why i always say that NWA and the old school 84-89 era beastie boys were what punk should of stood for
fuck all that fugazi minor threath shit, the ramones wernt trying to hide from the mainstream, they were trying to bring the mainstream to them
they wanted to be bigger then kiss , but without sacrificing their sound
thats fucking cool, subvert and destroy
take the mainstream and make it your own
do you think any of those 90's indie bands had any impact on the world , most of them now work at kinkos
but Eminem, now here is guy who gets paid by a HUGE Company to say and do anything he fucking wants and people give him oscars for it
and the fucking guy is so cool he doesnt he show up to get it, because he could give a fuck
thats fucking punk rock, he took pop culture and made it his own while staying true to himself
mean while those guys in pavment and jon spencer are going to be forggetn by histroy and as we speak they are asking people " how many copies of this would you like and what color ink would you want"
Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantaloneswhen it comes to the sex pistols vrs the clash , i have to give the nod to the pistols
see the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
where as the pistols just didnt give a fuck, thats what i like
they did and said whatever the fuck they wanted they tore shit up and terorized london, their tv show aperance on the bill grundy show was fucking amazing, give me 1 of those over 10 million bono at red rocks yelling " No war"
remember sid doing " my way" how fucking great was that ........... and yes we all know that song ended goodfellas so dont waste this post with a tell me about the frogs from magnolia type statement
were better then that
but like i said when it comes to punk the clash brought politics into the mix and fuck that shit
thats why i loved the beastie boys circa 84-89 they were just so great, i was too young to remember this but i bought a bunch of old tv show aperances and interviews and they were so fucking great, young brash rude and rich , licence to ill and pauls boutique are two of the best albums ever , and even though critics like to re write histroy they were just as rude and fucked up during their pauls boutique era, i have the interviews to prove it. They were fucking pimps
then the beastie boys turned to shit and well ........
then came oasis and they fucking rocked my world , they were so fucking cool, rock stars with attitude and Style
they were so fucking cool and they would tell everyone they were the best band in the world and then they would wish aids on pretentiouce fucks who got on their nerves
these are my heros
maybe thats why i loved hip hop as a teen, oasis brought me back into rock, or well into rock
before hip hop i guess i just loved what was pop on the radio and that was a good time for music maddonna before she started to think she was important , prince before he went nuts, micheal jackson ( see prince explanation)
above = one of the best posts ever
I will give the Pistols the edge, but must mention that the Clash had a greater output, and it's very hard for me to love a band based on just one album. but, fuck, punk is punk, and the pistols are oh so much more punk to me.
liam loves the pistols, btw.
Quote from: SoNowThenQuote from: AlguienEstolamiPantaloneswhen it comes to the sex pistols vrs the clash , i have to give the nod to the pistols
see the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
where as the pistols just didnt give a fuck, thats what i like
they did and said whatever the fuck they wanted they tore shit up and terorized london, their tv show aperance on the bill grundy show was fucking amazing, give me 1 of those over 10 million bono at red rocks yelling " No war"
remember sid doing " my way" how fucking great was that ........... and yes we all know that song ended goodfellas so dont waste this post with a tell me about the frogs from magnolia type statement
were better then that
but like i said when it comes to punk the clash brought politics into the mix and fuck that shit
thats why i loved the beastie boys circa 84-89 they were just so great, i was too young to remember this but i bought a bunch of old tv show aperances and interviews and they were so fucking great, young brash rude and rich , licence to ill and pauls boutique are two of the best albums ever , and even though critics like to re write histroy they were just as rude and fucked up during their pauls boutique era, i have the interviews to prove it. They were fucking pimps
then the beastie boys turned to shit and well ........
then came oasis and they fucking rocked my world , they were so fucking cool, rock stars with attitude and Style
they were so fucking cool and they would tell everyone they were the best band in the world and then they would wish aids on pretentiouce fucks who got on their nerves
these are my heros
maybe thats why i loved hip hop as a teen, oasis brought me back into rock, or well into rock
before hip hop i guess i just loved what was pop on the radio and that was a good time for music maddonna before she started to think she was important , prince before he went nuts, micheal jackson ( see prince explanation)
above = one of the best posts ever
I will give the Pistols the edge, but must mention that the Clash had a greater output, and it's very hard for me to love a band based on just one album. but, fuck, punk is punk, and the pistols are oh so much more punk to me.
liam loves the pistols, btw.
the clash had the tunes, and they knew how to play their instruments
so yeah they rocked
but sthe pistols, thats a fucking beatiful story sid never played bass in his life, glen matlock was a happy go lucky pop fan who would write pop songs and since they couldnt play their instruments , the songs came out so funny
and johhny just looked anoyed , but in the right way
sometimes i singer like eddie vedder looks anoyed and you want to punch him the balls
but johhny had style , and the rest they just looked like they were having a great time geting away with it, steve jones always had that look like " this is too fucking funny, i cant beilive were this huge"
get a copy of the bill grundy show , let me look for a transcript
remember when they came back in the 90's some smart ass asked them why they are soming back they point blank looked at him and said " Money you asshole"
thats prety funny, they could of bored us with what kiss said about how young kids never had a chance to see them in their prime yadda yadda
kiss had a prime?
fuck do i hate gene simmons
Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonesQuote from: SoNowThenQuote from: AlguienEstolamiPantaloneswhen it comes to the sex pistols vrs the clash , i have to give the nod to the pistols
see the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
where as the pistols just didnt give a fuck, thats what i like
they did and said whatever the fuck they wanted they tore shit up and terorized london, their tv show aperance on the bill grundy show was fucking amazing, give me 1 of those over 10 million bono at red rocks yelling " No war"
remember sid doing " my way" how fucking great was that ........... and yes we all know that song ended goodfellas so dont waste this post with a tell me about the frogs from magnolia type statement
were better then that
but like i said when it comes to punk the clash brought politics into the mix and fuck that shit
thats why i loved the beastie boys circa 84-89 they were just so great, i was too young to remember this but i bought a bunch of old tv show aperances and interviews and they were so fucking great, young brash rude and rich , licence to ill and pauls boutique are two of the best albums ever , and even though critics like to re write histroy they were just as rude and fucked up during their pauls boutique era, i have the interviews to prove it. They were fucking pimps
then the beastie boys turned to shit and well ........
then came oasis and they fucking rocked my world , they were so fucking cool, rock stars with attitude and Style
they were so fucking cool and they would tell everyone they were the best band in the world and then they would wish aids on pretentiouce fucks who got on their nerves
these are my heros
maybe thats why i loved hip hop as a teen, oasis brought me back into rock, or well into rock
before hip hop i guess i just loved what was pop on the radio and that was a good time for music maddonna before she started to think she was important , prince before he went nuts, micheal jackson ( see prince explanation)
above = one of the best posts ever
I will give the Pistols the edge, but must mention that the Clash had a greater output, and it's very hard for me to love a band based on just one album. but, fuck, punk is punk, and the pistols are oh so much more punk to me.
liam loves the pistols, btw.
the clash had the tunes, and they knew how to play their instruments
so yeah they rocked
but sthe pistols, thats a fucking beatiful story sid never played bass in his life, glen matlock was a happy go lucky pop fan who would write pop songs and since they couldnt play their instruments , the songs came out so funny
and johhny just looked anoyed , but in the right way
sometimes i singer like eddie vedder looks anoyed and you want to punch him the balls
but johhny had style , and the rest they just looked like they were having a great time geting away with it, steve jones always had that look like " this is too fucking funny, i cant beilive were this huge"
get a copy of the bill grundy show , let me look for a transcript
remember when they came back in the 90's some smart ass asked them why they are soming back they point blank looked at him and said " Money you asshole"
thats prety funny, they could of bored us with what kiss said about how young kids never had a chance to see them in their prime yadda yadda
BRILLIANT!
clash
Clash all the way! Sex Pistols are no good!
Clash
Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonessee the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
What rules? Ian Mackaye sang a song called Straight Edge where he sang about his lifestyle choices. He never pushed anything on anybody. And the Clash's politics leading to Minor Threat's political content? That connection is incidental at best...
aw
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Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonessee the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
What rules? Ian Mackaye sang a song called Straight Edge where he sang about his lifestyle choices. He never pushed anything on anybody. And the Clash's politics leading to Minor Threat's political content? That connection is incidental at best...
aw
ian can eat a dick
Quote from: AlguienEstolamiPantalonessee the clash had better songs, but they fucked it all up for me by dragging in stupid politics, which lead the way for shit like ian mckaye and his stupid fucking rules
The Sex Pistols were awfully political, too, in their own way, don't you think?
"God Save the Queen"?
"Anarchy in the UK"?
In fact, a good deal of their notoreity came about
because they were brave enough to openly mock the Royal Family.
Here's where I stand, though: The Clash were the better songwriters and musicians, but The Sex Pistols were far more important and influential.
"Pretty Vacant" is such a great song.
do you think the pistols gave a shit about politics, they were just being brats shooting snot at the queen, it would be like writting a song called
" ohh hillary be my lewinsky, and unlike bill i wont leave a trace, cause i will shot it down your throat and in your face, no blue dress to leave a mess you will be buck nekid on the floore just like the rest"
i just fucking wrote that , wow i am great
ok some whaat dated, but i like george bush so fuck you, i wont diss him
would you catch the pistols singing about the war in Nicaraggwa ???????
dude youve always been wrong about music mesh give up
pretty vacent is the theme song to your fucking head
va-cunt. we're pretty vaaaaaaa-cunt
Quote from: Cecil B. Dementedva-cunt. we're pretty vaaaaaaa-cunt
yeah i guess i would like to think that mesh is a cunt
I don't see how we can compare these two bands seeing as how they're both on different levels in the landscape of punk - however I must say that Joe Strummer certainly put a lot more thought and emotion into his work, letting the listening public in on his views of the politcal climate at the time, whereas the Pistols simply wanked off a bunch of power chords to give us 2 minute bursts of chaotic noise. And anyways, isn't anarchy, a main principle of the Pistols, a complete lack of order and government? So calling the Sex Pistols politically inclined is pretty backwards . . . and how influential were they anyway? Any mall punk poser will mention the Pistols, but they've never sat down and listened to "Never Mind the Bollocks . . ."
Sid is just a dead icon, revered by Hot Topic shoppers and 5th Avenue fashionistas as a "symbol of rebellion," his snarl splashed across baby t's and keychains . . . Johnny's a pissed-up recluse in L.A., schmoozing with Billy-fucking-Idol and various no-names, planning the next fucking Pistols reunion tour . . .
The true Sex Pistols legacy has burbled its last little breath as it succumbs to antiquity and high-gloss marketing for a greedy, trend-hungry public who ignore the real philosophy of punk and instead buy scads of Simple Plan CDs . . .
The Clash, however, still maintain a high place in the Pantheon of Punk Legends. They'll always be known as the band with a voice and a message. They could convey their feelings far more effectively than any band can today and they still kicked ass doing it. Even to this day, when I hear any one of their albums rumble and grind out of my headphones, I still get chills. Even though Strummer himself is becoming another icon after his unfortunate death, his glare remains one of strong-held convictions and the essence of punk.
Clash, definitely. . . I don't give a fuck about what anyone else thinks about it.
Quote from: RapturousAmbivalenceClash, definitely. . . I don't give a fuck about what anyone else thinks about it.
You, my friend, are punk
Quote from: RapturousAmbivalenceI don't see how we can compare these two bands seeing as how they're both on different levels in the landscape of punk - however I must say that Joe Strummer certainly put a lot more thought and emotion into his work, letting the listening public in on his views of the politcal climate at the time, whereas the Pistols simply wanked off a bunch of power chords to give us 2 minute bursts of chaotic noise. And anyways, isn't anarchy, a main principle of the Pistols, a complete lack of order and government? So calling the Sex Pistols politically inclined is pretty backwards . . . and how influential were they anyway? Any mall punk poser will mention the Pistols, but they've never sat down and listened to "Never Mind the Bollocks . . ."
Sid is just a dead icon, revered by Hot Topic shoppers and 5th Avenue fashionistas as a "symbol of rebellion," his snarl splashed across baby t's and keychains . . . Johnny's a pissed-up recluse in L.A., schmoozing with Billy-fucking-Idol and various no-names, planning the next fucking Pistols reunion tour . . .
The true Sex Pistols legacy has burbled its last little breath as it succumbs to antiquity and high-gloss marketing for a greedy, trend-hungry public who ignore the real philosophy of punk and instead buy scads of Simple Plan CDs . . .
The Clash, however, still maintain a high place in the Pantheon of Punk Legends. They'll always be known as the band with a voice and a message. They could convey their feelings far more effectively than any band can today and they still kicked ass doing it. Even to this day, when I hear any one of their albums rumble and grind out of my headphones, I still get chills. Even though Strummer himself is becoming another icon after his unfortunate death, his glare remains one of strong-held convictions and the essence of punk.
Clash, definitely. . . I don't give a fuck about what anyone else thinks about it.
read the thread posts first then re read what you wrote ok, its a fair comparrison
the movmenet was strong they were very different but strong
who do you prefere is the question, i said the clash had the tunes, but i hates their politics
the pistols had no tunes but i loved their attitudes
and i think if punk went the way of the pistols it would of not died or went underground, it would of alterted the ,mainstream and subverted the mass's and changed the 80's as we know it
punk died because it took itself to be too self important, and being on a indie label like dischord or kill rock stars, is just as well as having no career
we can disagre, but my theroy is when it comes to things like punk why shun the mainstream, when you can make the mainstream your bitch
look at eminem he gets paid MILLLIONS to say whatever he has on his mind and they give him a fucking Oscar, AND HE DOESNT SHOW UP TO PICK IT UP
one might say well he didnnt because he thought he would lose, well turning down the chance to sing at the oscars was preetty punk rock on his part
he says and does what he wants and he took a nation of teenagers to follow him much like madonna did in 1984
eminem is bigger then kurt cobian spin and other fag rags wont admit it, but its true
and he is what punk should of been about taking the mainstreama nd subverting it and destroying it and re making it in your own fashion
isnt that why the original punks worshiped jerry lee lewis and chuck berry because they re invneted music and did it in their own terms
and eminem is our generations jerry lee lewis
i hate these what is punk what is not, what is a punk attitude what isnt debates. the very nature of it "isnt punk" at all
And that's why Cecil is punk
how did you know im a prostitute?
I really don't know what to say to that
Quote from: tremoloslothI really don't know what to say to that
That statement could kill any thread. Well done.
you are speaking in abstarct tones " how do we know this or that or who or what"
the point is who could of done more for punk
i say the pistols,
for example when the stones came out they didnt write their own songs, but they had the right imgae and with time the songs came out of them and the rest is history
but thye always had the cool image , look at how great brian jones looked and mick was a born front man, keith took some time but brian jones was born for it and died for rock and roll
the pistols had the right image and well they wrote their own songs, if you can call them songs, but thye would of gotten better, no wait something that great can only last a short time
but they should of had more copy cats then the clash did, 80's american punk based themselves on politics and stupid shit when it should of been about freaking out the mainstream and then getting all the girls to go nuts like Elvis did
like the beatles did
like eminem is doing now
ya know what jon spencer is doing right now he is getting my white mocha cappachino ready for me at his job at starbucks, meanwhile eminem is getting paid millions to re create pop culture
he found fucking 50 cent and who is hotter now
this is Em's world and he did it the DIY Way , since 89 he would perform in local rap shows and make mix tapes and try and sell them and no one gave a fuck then one day the whole world gave a fuck thats punk baby
the ramones would of been proud that was their plan, to be the next stones and biger then kiss who was huge at the time, and they refused to change their style
to bad it didnt work out for poor joey and the boys, but i bet they would of respected eminem
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: tremoloslothI really don't know what to say to that
That statement could kill any thread. Well done.
And isn't that punk?
Even though AlguienEstolamiPantalones prefers the Sex Pistols and I prefer the Clash, I must say that his interpretation of punk is definitely the right one. Punk is a philosophy, a way of life, an attitude. What it's not is wristbands and Hot Topic t-shirts and little assholes like Simple Plan and Averil-fuckin'-Lavigne peddling their shitty "I'm-a-punk" pathos to millions of screaming fad-swallowing girls with acne problems. I do not like Eminem. I find him a misogynistic homophobe (but then again, aren't all rappers gay-bashing womanizers?). However Eminem does conduct himself in a way that is punk to the core (i.e. not giving a fuck). And again, The Sex Pistols were the ultimate snotty little rude schoolboys, their smarmy sneers outmatched only by their crusty abandon. The Clash tried to inject some awareness into their punk schtick but they tried really hard not to fall prey to the rock formula of that time (Peter Frampton, anyone?). Strummer actually kicked Mick Jones out of the band after he tried to mold their sound into one that would be friendly to the mainstream. All three of these artists never sold out, they just became famous . . .
I don't want to start a heated battle over who was better, the Pistols or the Clash, I see your reasoning behind your support of the Pistols. We can't forget that they actually spearheaded the first wave of punk and it's invasion of mainstream. Their legacy was one of overwhelming drug use, sex, violence, and apathy. They shocked the Queen Mother and mothers alike. They STARTED the punk movement in Britain, they STARTED the first punk fad in 1977, but back then it was some much more dirty and grimy, really true and essential, worthy of the title punk. Soon every schoolboy or girl was razoring their school jumpers and shaving their hair, seeing that yes, there was a word for what they felt, that word was punk. The Sex Pistols became a truly filthy stain on musical history, and for that they deserve all the recognition in the world. But now, with the onslaught of so many shitty bands and Vans Warped Tours, we've lost that raw anger and rebellion that lived so many decades ago. That feeling went underground, went back into tiny clubs and garages, it went back under the radar again.
I don't think we'll ever see another Sex Pistols, another band with the same principles, the same feelings, the anger, the fury, the unadultarated punk sensability. We'll never see another Clash, another Damned, another Bad Brains, another band that could match the emotion of that era (the 70's and 80's), because today, it's all about the money. Some artists, like Eminem, have found a way to make millions without compromising their sound and their principles. They can deliver their message and then cash their fat royalty check. You mentioned the Beastie Boys, they had originally played a part in the NYC hardcore punk scene back in the eighties, alongside DC greats like the Minutemen and Minor Threat (yeah, it's a MacKaye band, so what?), but then they found that they could use the emerging medium of rap to express their views to a larger audience. What you got was that hard, raw sound melded into backbeats and samples on Paul's Boutique and other early works. If you can exploit the mainstream and still get your message across (political or not), then you've succeeded.
Subverting the mainstream is a delcate process that many true punk bands tend to forgoe, they couldn't care less about signing some stupid fucking multi-million dollar deal, they just wanna bring punk rock to the people.
I care passionately about punk and I get so fucking mad when I see its name forsaken to sell records to posers and fad-followers who gladly snatch up the latest recycled sound in order to maintain social standing with their "in" friends.
Pistols hands down.
But fuggit, the Clash is good-time listening too.