50 Best Guy Movies Of All Time

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November 11, 2003, 10:58:04 PM
This interview really bothered me:

(CNN) -- Talk about a guy thing. Men's Journal has compiled a list of the 50 best guy movies of all time.

"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly," the ultimate spaghetti western, made the list, which appears in the December issue of the men's magazine.

Men's Journal Executive Editor Mark Horowitz spoke with CNN Anchor Bill Hemmer in New York on Tuesday about how the list was compiled.

HEMMER: [The] criteria is what for this list?

HOROWITZ: These are movies that guys like, generally that guys can watch in groups, that they remember all the lines [and that] they watch over and over again. It tends to be movies women don't like.

HEMMER: Top three films are?

HOROWITZ: "Dirty Harry," number one. "Godfather," number two. "Scarface," number three.

HEMMER: How did you ever slice the tomato on that one?

HOROWITZ: Well, a lot of people think "Godfather" maybe should have been No. 1. Our feeling was "Godfather" is the kind of movie that can turn up on any list as one of the best movies of all time, period. We wanted a quintessential guy movie. And we felt that "Dirty Harry" edges out "Godfather" because all of his virtues are guy movie virtues.

HEMMER: Were you the one [who] said "Godfather" is number two because it's too good to be No. 1?

HOROWITZ: Yes, I think you could say that.

HEMMER: Here is your top five now: "Terminator," "Die Hard," "Scarface," "Godfather" and "Dirty Harry."

HOROWITZ: Right. A lot of people thought "Caddyshack," [a] Bill Murray movie, should have been No. 1. We argued that.

HEMMER: Let's talk about what did not make the list. "Deer Hunter" -- a lot of people want to know why that did not make the list.

The Meryl Streep rule

HOROWITZ: We were talking about "Deer Hunter." It's got [an] elk hunting scene, it's got Vietnam scenes. It seems like a real guy movie. And one of our editors pointed out that Meryl Streep was in it, and he said, you know what, I don't think a movie with Meryl Streep should be on a guy movie list.

HEMMER: Off the list.

HOROWITZ: And that became a hard and fast rule.

HEMMER: "Pulp Fiction."

HOROWITZ: "Pulp Fiction" ... We have "Reservoir Dogs." We have a little bonus at the end of "Kill Bill." We didn't want to overdue it with Quentin Tarantino.

HEMMER: But that's all about women, "Kill Bill."

HOROWITZ: Yes, but it's also just nonstop fighting, not a lot of dialogue.

HEMMER: "Taxi Driver," De Niro, '76, "Some day a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets." Now if you're a guy, that's one heck of a line. ["Taxi Driver"] didn't even make the list.

HOROWITZ: We had some Martin Scorcese movies. We had a couple of De Niro movies. I sort of felt that "Taxi Driver" is a little too arty maybe.

HEMMER: Tell us, who put together the list?

HOROWITZ: We had the whole staff of Men's Journal plus a lot of our writers and friends and other editors we knew. We just solicited opinions from all over the place.

... There were a lot of good movies that -- there were even some movies that I wanted that didn't make it.

HEMMER: How do you like coming in here and getting hammered for your list?

HOROWITZ: You talk to a guy, and you can talk about "Terminator" or "Dirty Dozen," chances are they've seen it five, six or seven times. A woman might go to one of those movies once, maybe twice tops.

HEMMER: We have a list, our viewers have been writing in. They say "True Lies," "Happy Gilmore," "Patton," "Kelly's Heroes" [and] "Dumb and Dumber" [are] all great films.

HOROWITZ: Right, yes, those are all...

HEMMER: Here is my question. ... "Stripes" is only at number 37. What gives there? I am the little acorn that becomes the oak.

HOROWITZ: You know, I think they're all winners.

ono

#1
November 12, 2003, 12:48:43 AM
What bugs me about this is how narrow minded most guys are, that a movie that has Meryl Streep can't be good.  Adaption., most guys I know love, and that's like the least "Meryl" a role you could think of.  And, well, just that this really reflects badly on most guys because of the few who think mindless action makes a good movie.  I mean, I like Dumb and Dumber, Happy Gilmore, and Caddyshack as much as the next guy, but this also shows a submersion in pop culture that's manifested in people who see movies merely as prolonged sitcoms and cop dramas.  That about sum it up, Cinephile?

cine

#2
November 12, 2003, 12:54:48 AM

What would I do without you, Ono?

classical gas

#3
November 12, 2003, 05:02:45 AM
I've never even seen "Dirty Harry".  shit, does that make me less of a man.  fuck "guy movies".  'guy' has become synonymous (sp?) with stupid.  so that list is useless.  although i do like the godfather a lot and enjoyed scareface, although not as much as my friends did.  what was the deal with that music everytime he saw his sister?  were they in love?

Gold Trumpet

#4
November 12, 2003, 08:27:52 AM
I don't mind the list. Actually, I'm happy "Die Hard" made the top 5. I'm hearing the grievances and I'm sure I'll hear more when Godardian gets wind of this list, but c'mon, what the fuck do you expect from this list? These kinds of lists ultimately don't matter and as other lists going in rating the best of genres, the "Guy" movie is an unofficial genre in its own right. Its not saying a guy wouldn't enjoy "The Deer Hunter" because Meryl Streep is in it. (I think the "Meryl Streep rule" is hilarious) All that it means is that it isn't a "Guy" movie. No one should be ashamed to like these movies. I also say lighten the fuck up and get pissed that these guys are American snobs and likely unable to appreciate the genius of Toshiro Mifune in his most ass kicking role, "Yojimbo". Now there's a real "Guy" movie.

SHAFTR

#5
November 12, 2003, 11:07:20 AM
I hated Deer Hunter and wouldn't put it on the list either.  It is a guy movie list so I don't see what is so surprising about it.  I wish SHAFT would have been up there higher.  Also, films with gratuitious nudity should be high on the list.
"Talking shit about a pretty sunset
Blanketing opinions that i'll probably regret soon"

godardian

#6
November 12, 2003, 12:23:50 PM
GT is right (about my reaction): The idea of this list is really presumptuous and irritating. You know who it's most insulting to? The guys it supposedly represents. What's really harmful is that cheap little magazines like Men's Journal actually do have an influence; they are a part of our culture and do put ideas into people's heads about what it means to "be a man," which is of course arbitrary and should be entirely up to the individual man. Character traits and flaws should not be generalized by gender; that's simplistic thinking at its most mindless.

I'm sick of all the endless listmaking our media does anyway, but this is a particularly insipid list. The thing about Taxi Driver being "too arty" made me laugh derisively, though. Do these people know that most men, even most "red-blooded," straight, working-class men, aren't Neanderthals?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

SoNowThen

#7
November 12, 2003, 12:31:06 PM
for my part, I'm a little disappointed more pornos didn't make the list....
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#8
November 12, 2003, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenfor my part, I'm a little disappointed more pornos didn't make the list....

I'm sure you'd have no problem finding some guy's (or girl's) list of favorite pornos somewhere... this IS the Internet, after all! Unless you actually need fucking Men's Journal's opinion on good pornos... and really, as subjective as lists of "legitimate" movies are, don't you think porno is about as subjective as you could possibly get when it comes to judging something on its supposed merits? So much so, in fact, that a list would be fairly useless?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

NEON MERCURY

#9
November 12, 2003, 12:35:07 PM
WHat!!!!!!!!!! :?  :?  :?  :? how come.no one 's mentioning. this h0rmonal powerhouse:

SoNowThen

#10
November 12, 2003, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: SoNowThenfor my part, I'm a little disappointed more pornos didn't make the list....

I'm sure you'd have no problem finding some guy's (or girl's) list of favorite pornos somewhere... this IS the Internet, after all! Unless you actually need fucking Men's Journal's opinion on good pornos... and really, as subjective as lists of "legitimate" movies are, don't you think porno is about as subjective as you could possibly get when it comes to judging something on its supposed merits? So much so, in fact, that a list would be fairly useless?

mon ami, I was poking fun at the "guy movies" list... as in, if we have to disregard any "arty"ness, shouldn't it be a list of cheesey pornos?

'tis all
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#11
November 12, 2003, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: SoNowThenfor my part, I'm a little disappointed more pornos didn't make the list....

I'm sure you'd have no problem finding some guy's (or girl's) list of favorite pornos somewhere... this IS the Internet, after all! Unless you actually need fucking Men's Journal's opinion on good pornos... and really, as subjective as lists of "legitimate" movies are, don't you think porno is about as subjective as you could possibly get when it comes to judging something on its supposed merits? So much so, in fact, that a list would be fairly useless?

mon ami, I was poking fun at the "guy movies" list... as in, if we have to disregard any "arty"ness, shouldn't it be a list of cheesey pornos?

'tis all

Ah... this place needs subtitles for the humor-impaired.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

#12
November 12, 2003, 01:16:41 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: SoNowThenfor my part, I'm a little disappointed more pornos didn't make the list....

I'm sure you'd have no problem finding some guy's (or girl's) list of favorite pornos somewhere... this IS the Internet, after all! Unless you actually need fucking Men's Journal's opinion on good pornos... and really, as subjective as lists of "legitimate" movies are, don't you think porno is about as subjective as you could possibly get when it comes to judging something on its supposed merits? So much so, in fact, that a list would be fairly useless?

mon ami, I was poking fun at the "guy movies" list... as in, if we have to disregard any "arty"ness, shouldn't it be a list of cheesey pornos?

'tis all

Ah... this place needs subtitles for the humor-impaired.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

SHAFTR

#13
November 12, 2003, 02:33:25 PM
Football movies, you know how guys love football movies.

I am a guy.  I love football, I love movies...I hate football movies.
"Talking shit about a pretty sunset
Blanketing opinions that i'll probably regret soon"

Pas

#14
November 12, 2003, 04:31:51 PM
HA HA men ARE all the same !
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