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The Director's Chair => Stanley Kubrick => Topic started by: mutinyco on July 12, 2003, 01:55:48 PM

Title: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 12, 2003, 01:55:48 PM
Am I the only person who finds it amusing that Kubrick, dead for 4 years, has the second number of posts only to PTA?
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: Ghostboy on July 12, 2003, 01:58:12 PM
I don't really see anything amusing about it. His films are good and provocative enough to warrant continued discussion. The only thing PTA gets that Kubrick doesn't is "next project" musings.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 12, 2003, 02:20:06 PM
That wasn't a knock on Kubrick. It was a compliment. My point was that because he's not making anymore films you'd think he wouldn't be as relevant. Just goes to show he built 'em to last...
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: bonanzataz on July 12, 2003, 02:29:11 PM
it makes me feel like shit when i realize i've never seen a kubrick film in theaters and i probably never will. there will never be another kubrick film made. he really shook things up and took film to a whole new level. it's almost impossible to comprehend that the man really hasn't ever made a bad movie since the 60s. i've never seen any of his pre-lolita work, i just know the boxed set, but whatever.

there was recently a screening of 2001 in the city and i missed it. i was pissed. i still am pissed. i pray that it gets an imax rerelease some day soon.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 12, 2003, 02:41:36 PM
His movies are shown faily regularly here and there. I saw Full Metal Jacket at BAM with Modine and D'Onofrio. Film Forum showed Strangelove recently. FF also had that monster retrospective back in 2000 where they showed pristine prints of all his films. And, of course, the late 2001 rerelease of 2001 at Lowes Astor in Times Square was the pinacle of moviegoing.

The point is, he made films that were intended to be seen on a large screen. They feel and move differently.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: bonanzataz on July 12, 2003, 02:44:32 PM
mutinyco, you're a much bigger kubrick freak than i and you live in the city. keep me (and the rest of the board) posted for when there will be screenings. i NEED to see at least one of them (preferably 2001) on the big screen before my head explodes.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 12, 2003, 03:29:38 PM
POP!
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: Ghostboy on July 12, 2003, 03:55:13 PM
I imagine big screen showings are pretty regular. 2001, Clockwork and The Shining all play in Dallas at least once a year. Strangelove now and then too.
No matter how many times you've seen The Shining, it will still scare the crap out of you on the big screen. One of my favorite moviegoing experiences was seeing a midnight show of Clockwork, which I emerged from to discover that it was snowing quite heavily. In Texas, this is a rare and beautiful thing.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 12, 2003, 04:00:39 PM
Yes, I suppose "beautiful" is rare indeed in Texas!  :o
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: Fernando on July 13, 2003, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: mutinycoHis movies are shown faily regularly here and there. I saw Full Metal Jacket at BAM with Modine and D'Onofrio.

You mean thay were there to have a Q&A after the sreening? If so, would you share any interesting bits they might have answered or discussed?
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 13, 2003, 01:33:35 PM
Actually, I was sitting dead center and Matthew Modine had me stand up in front of everybody, cause he thought I looked like Pvt. Joker.

They mostly talked about the process. How Kubrick's attitude was that there are no bad ideas. He sometimes allowed the actors to improvise if he trusted them or wanted to see where a scene might go. He very easily set up compositions, as the film isn't shot in a terribly complex manner -- it's quite basic. He also didn't do a great deal of directing the actors -- the reason he did multiple takes is because he was constantly experimenting. He helped the actors to develop the characters, but on set he wanted to see what they would do. It wasn't about technical precision in that sense, although sometimes it was. They said the most difficult scene in the movie was when they're stuck behind the wall while the sniper is taking out Doc and 8 Ball. They were constantly trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: modage on July 13, 2003, 01:36:40 PM
i saw eyes wide shut in the theatres.  TWICE! :-D
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 13, 2003, 01:39:27 PM
I think I saw it about 6 times.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: modage on July 13, 2003, 01:44:40 PM
wow, i think the only movies i've seen six times in the theatre are Batman and Aladdin.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 13, 2003, 02:23:13 PM
It was worth it. Go to:

http://www.movienavigator.org/eyeswideshut.htm

This is the reason his films still work. There's so much to see in them.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: Fernando on July 13, 2003, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: mutinycoI think I saw it about 6 times.

Five times here, and I might add that four of them were the uncensored version, that is without the digital figures and the original chant that Pook composed for the film.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 13, 2003, 08:21:45 PM
The Pook replacement was funny. What was it originally, Hindu text?
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: bonanzataz on July 13, 2003, 09:01:18 PM
what is the pook replacement?
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 13, 2003, 09:34:21 PM
The orgy music. The original chanting turned out to be sacred text, so it was replaced.
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: Pubrick on July 13, 2003, 10:09:25 PM
the chant during the masked ceremony is a backwards recording of a Romanian Orthodox prayer.

"Zisa Domnului catre ucenicii sai...Porunca noua dau voua...Domnului sa ne rugam pentru mila, viata, pacea, sanatatea, mantuirea, cercetarea, lasarea si iertarea pacatelor robilor lui Dumnezeu. Inchinatori, miluitori si binefacatori ai sfantului lacasului acestuia."

translation:

" And God told to his apprentices...I gave you a comand...to pray to the Lord for the mercy, life, peace, health, salvation, the search, the leave and the forgiveness of the sins of God's children. The ones that pray, they have mercy and they take good care of this holy place."
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 13, 2003, 10:15:00 PM
Go P. Either you did some good research or some good drugs...
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: Fernando on July 13, 2003, 11:00:43 PM
Here's something I found at other board dedicated to SK, back then his daughter Katharina was a regular poster there and she clarified a lot of rumors about his dad and films, this is what she said about the orgy chant:

"It was a mistake. Jocelyn Pook told me, that originally the singer was
singing words from the Koran!!
Also, she recorded it some time ago, Stanley simply heard it and liked it.
NO-ONE realized that the text was the equivalent of the Lord's Prayer!
Stanley would have changed it IMMEDIATLY, if he had realized. My Mother,
Christiane, argued hard and long. There is no way that we would EVER wish to offend the Hindu religion, or to cause offence in any way what so ever.
I can tell you, that the film has NOT been edited. Joclyn has re-recorded
that section of music, with the same singer, using some neutral text that will offend no-one. I saw the film in Venice and there is no difference, unless you speak fluent Hindi I guess."
Title: Re: orgy chant discussion
Post by: mutinyco on July 14, 2003, 12:35:32 AM
I read that too a while back. That's why I said Hindu. But it is funny that she somehow went from the Koran to Hinduism...