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Film Discussion => Digital Streams & Criterion Dreams => Topic started by: jasper_window on May 08, 2003, 09:43:09 AM

Title: Short Cuts
Post by: jasper_window on May 08, 2003, 09:43:09 AM
Anyone have any idea about what's up with Short Cuts?  Such a nice laser disc, what the fuck is going on?
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Post by: Ernie on May 08, 2003, 04:08:37 PM
Just recently bought it on VHS I loved it so much. I'd already want to replace it with a DVD of course.
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Post by: jasper_window on May 09, 2003, 08:11:44 AM
Yeah I really love that movie.  There was a commentary on the laser and I believe the Jack Lemmon Inside the Actor's Studio.  Also try and seek out the book.  They put all the stories by Raymond Carver which influenced the movie.  Excellent read.
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 09, 2003, 09:55:40 AM
Quote from: jasper_windowThere was a commentary on the laser and I believe the Jack Lemmon Inside the Actor's Studio.

The commentary is an audio essay by Michael Wilmington and runs for only 17 chapters. A Pauline Kael interview runs for the same length. And this movie and laser came out long before Actor's Studio was even conceived. You might be thinking of "Glengarry Glen Ross". The laser for that movie has Jack Lemmon commentary (not included on the DVD), and the DVD has clips from his Actor's Studio episode.

QuoteAlso try and seek out the book.  They put all the stories by Raymond Carver which influenced the movie.  Excellent read.

Those stories are on the laser.
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Post by: jasper_window on May 09, 2003, 10:23:02 AM
Thanks for the revision, I'm retarded.  I thought the laser had an Altman commentary, oh well.  Regardless I want that fucker on DVD.
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Post by: jasper_window on May 09, 2003, 10:27:40 AM
I'm delusional.  I just checked the specs for the laser on imdb and boy was I off base.  And so it goes...  have you heard the audio essay by Wilmington?
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Post by: Vivian Darkbloom on April 29, 2004, 10:50:16 AM
The DVD is due to be released in france with the documentary
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Post by: ono on April 29, 2004, 10:54:50 AM
When?  And what is that, Region 2 only?
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Post by: Just Withnail on April 29, 2004, 06:33:52 PM
No shit? Got a link to that info? Mighty interesting.

Edit: Nevermind (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001E70HG/qid%3D1083282108/171-6549439-0060227)
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Post by: Ravi on April 29, 2004, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: WithnailNo shit? Got a link to that info? Mighty interesting.

Edit: Nevermind (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001E70HG/qid%3D1083282108/171-6549439-0060227)

• Le Making Of "Luck, Trust and Ketchup" (90 min en vost)
• Le portrait de Robert Altman (52 min en vost)
• La galerie de photos
• La filmographies
• La bande-annonce

"Le Making Of"?  What the hell is that?
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 29, 2004, 07:14:49 PM
Quote from: Ravi"Le Making Of"?  What the hell is that?

It's a very good documentary from the Criterion laserdisc (which I am a proud owner of):

Summary: A laserdisc version of the 1993 film, presented in its original widescreen ratio of 2.35:1. Supplementary features include: text of stories of Raymond Carver, production information, critical response (including an interview with Pauline Kael & audio essay by Michael Wilmington), deleted scenes and outtakes and Mike Kaplan and John Dorr's documentary "Luck, Trust and Ketchup: Robert Altman in Carver Country" (1993), featuring behind-the-scenes interviews with every cast member and footage of Altman at work. The liner notes include extensive chapter stops and programming details to follow the separate strands of each story individually from beginning to end.
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Post by: SiliasRuby on April 30, 2004, 12:28:56 AM
Damn it, I have the version that came out in Spain and just you guys talking about the french version is making my mouth water
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Post by: cine on April 30, 2004, 01:23:44 AM
Quote from: SiliasRubyDamn it, I have the version that came out in Spain and just you guys talking about the french version is making my mouth water
You should get a doctor to check that out..
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Post by: Vivian Darkbloom on April 30, 2004, 04:37:27 AM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvdrama.com%2Fimagescrit%2Fshortcutscollz2hd.jpg&hash=69d6047cd80154813e89dcd5b1bc299022c55bcb)

It should be released on the 4th of May if it doesn't get delayed again...
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Post by: Just Withnail on April 30, 2004, 07:51:37 AM
I'll definitely be getting one.
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Post by: El Duderino on April 30, 2004, 09:41:04 AM
me too, for sure
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Post by: Redlum on April 30, 2004, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: SiliasRubyDamn it, I have the version that came out in Spain and just you guys talking about the french version is making my mouth water

Ditto. This cover art is so much more cooler than the Spanish one, too!
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Post by: SiliasRuby on April 30, 2004, 01:25:12 PM
It was debatable at first, but once I saw the cover, I KNOW I am going to get this.
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Post by: Redlum on May 01, 2004, 08:38:01 AM
Interesting page on Short Cut's narrative structure (aswell as City of Hope):

http://www.euronet.nl/users/mcbeijer/dan/mns/complex.html
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Post by: tpfkabi on May 01, 2004, 11:22:02 AM
i finally saw this film on Bravo a month ago or so.......i think they played the Player several times, too.
anywho, you can see a big influence on Magnolia.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on May 01, 2004, 09:55:29 PM
Quotei finally saw this film on Bravo a month ago or so.......i think they played the Player several times, too.
anywho, you can see a big influence on Magnolia.
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Post by: cine on May 02, 2004, 02:27:44 AM
Quotei finally saw this film on Bravo a month ago or so.......i think they played the Player several times, too.
anywho, you can see a big influence on Magnolia.
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Post by: ono on May 02, 2004, 02:49:49 AM
*checks watch*

*looks down, sees a penny, picks it up*

*brain explodes vanishes in a puff of logic*
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Post by: phil marlowe on May 02, 2004, 07:35:46 AM
is anywho an actual word or is it just a typo for 'anyhow'

anyhwo if it is then it should be spelled 'anyhoo'
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Post by: ono on May 02, 2004, 12:30:01 PM
anyhoe...
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Post by: tpfkabi on May 02, 2004, 02:16:11 PM
Chris Farley would say 'anywho' and i liked it so i adopted it into anyhow's place.
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Post by: cine on May 02, 2004, 02:27:22 PM
I started the "anywho" fad when I was young. True story. I should sue all you assholes, but I won't. Not until you rip off my other old trend: "Cowabunga."
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Post by: Just Withnail on August 26, 2004, 02:02:58 PM
:-D

Wow (http://www.criterionco.com/asp/release.asp?id=265)
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Post by: cine on August 27, 2004, 12:35:34 AM
Yeah, you told us earlier, remember?
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Post by: Just Withnail on August 27, 2004, 07:18:26 AM
Redirect proof posting.
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Post by: jasper_window on August 27, 2004, 08:09:16 AM
my joy is unexpressable.
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Post by: kotte on February 13, 2005, 01:40:41 PM
So I finally got to see Short Cuts...

I did the mistake I always do when I get a new Criterion disc, I went straight to the extras.
So when I got started the film my expectations were boosted.

I thought the different stories would affect me more, the voyeuristic approach hindered me to feel. I "felt" intellectually, I know things they were going through are painful but there was little immediacy, I never really felt the emotions. I think I'm too young, I can't really connect with middle-age relationships. Eventually I will...

I hated Tim Robbins character, it felt too over-the-top and frankly not real. At the end with the earthquake and what Robbins character did made me realize...that was the purpose. The filmmakers intent cannot have been that we should identify and less sympathise with him. There's nothing really human in him. Not that he's unhumanly mean or stupid or anything. Just that he's totally artificial.

There were definitely some good moments. I could feel Chris Penn's frustrations and sadness...'till he went ballistic in the end. The Finnigan's story was sincere but a bit mundane.

Good performances from everybody involved, especially Altman. Inspite the dated photography of the piece his direction shone through.
I wanna mention Stowe, Penn and Waits especially.

I'm sure if you can tell me what I missed, if I missed something, I'd be very open. Please make me see what's so fantastially great about Short Cuts because I usually love this kind of film.
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Post by: Ravi on February 13, 2005, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: FjodorYou wont be dissapointed. :yabbse-wink:

Quote from: ewardone of the best blind buys one could ever make.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on February 13, 2005, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: kotte
I'm sure if you can tell me what I missed, if I missed something, I'd be very open. Please make me see what's so fantastially great about Short Cuts because I usually love this kind of film.


here's a list of things:


>spoilers>>>>>>

-heuy lewis pissing on a dead chick. and you get to see his penis.  thats a rare thing.  that was heuy lewis right????
-juliane moore's vagina
-a kid that actaully dies
-robert fucking downey jr.
-awesome jazz score
-you got to see how PT anderson remade this into magnolia [complete with a catastophic ending].
-madelien stowe naaaaked.  shes cute
-mathew modine [underrated]
-that wierd blonde chick playing the violine..shes naked too
-anne archer ..shes sort of a milf  :ponder:
-frances mcdormand-nude
-and some other stuff
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Post by: meatwad on February 14, 2005, 02:22:58 AM
don't forget tom waits
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Post by: Just Withnail on February 14, 2005, 11:09:27 AM
He wasn't nude.
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Post by: meatwad on February 14, 2005, 12:17:38 PM
too bad
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Post by: SHAFTR on February 14, 2005, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: kotteSo I finally got to see Short Cuts...

I did the mistake I always do when I get a new Criterion disc, I went straight to the extras.
So when I got started the film my expectations were boosted.

I thought the different stories would affect me more, the voyeuristic approach hindered me to feel. I "felt" intellectually, I know things they were going through are painful but there was little immediacy, I never really felt the emotions. I think I'm too young, I can't really connect with middle-age relationships. Eventually I will...

I hated Tim Robbins character, it felt too over-the-top and frankly not real. At the end with the earthquake and what Robbins character did made me realize...that was the purpose. The filmmakers intent cannot have been that we should identify and less sympathise with him. There's nothing really human in him. Not that he's unhumanly mean or stupid or anything. Just that he's totally artificial.

There were definitely some good moments. I could feel Chris Penn's frustrations and sadness...'till he went ballistic in the end. The Finnigan's story was sincere but a bit mundane.

Good performances from everybody involved, especially Altman. Inspite the dated photography of the piece his direction shone through.
I wanna mention Stowe, Penn and Waits especially.

I'm sure if you can tell me what I missed, if I missed something, I'd be very open. Please make me see what's so fantastially great about Short Cuts because I usually love this kind of film.

Well, I think that Short Cuts was more of an experiment with narrative whereas Magnolia's narrative fits the story.  I was really drawn into Short Cuts and loved the movie, but it doesn't have the emotional punch Magnolia has.
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Post by: soixante on February 15, 2005, 01:34:40 AM
Altman views the characters and events of Short Cuts from a detached perspective.  He doesn't judge anyone or ask us to love or hate any character, he simply observes a series of human interactions, then interlaces episodes to create a larger picture of alienation and despair.
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Post by: tpfkabi on February 15, 2005, 07:10:17 PM
"a kid actually dies"

what?