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Title: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 07, 2004, 01:10:26 AM
Anyone else watching this 'stranded-on-a-desert-isle' show? Every week keeps getting better. Along with "Alias," JJ Abrams really knows how to keep the cliffhangers coming (a polar bear on the island?!). The characters are really well defined, with every one of them having some secret(s).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 07, 2004, 01:59:50 AM
Yeah, it's pretty decent, though I thought the previews gave away way too much on episode three (I just sat there, waiting for the Marshall to wake up).  Terry O'Quinn better pay off huge with all that lingering they're doing...

My biggest fear is that the whole island will be a 'Rimbaldi device' with no real answers, only more cock-teasing and confusion.  But still JJ's delivering the goods, so I'll stop whining...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on October 07, 2004, 09:27:37 AM
Pssh. Everyone knows it's Arvil in a secret volcano control room flipping levers.

Is anyone else sensing a supernatural vibe here between the bald, soon to be Rambo guy and the young kid? Little yin/yang going on? Especially with the sudden rain stoppage.

My only fear for the show is they'll throw weird stuff out there just for the sake of it and not tie up the loose ends.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 29, 2005, 11:56:49 AM
Ok after 14 episodes I can say that JJ Abrams and the writers of this show are geniuses. By now we may think we know a lot about the characters and what is going on but the truth is that we have no fucking idea of what will happen. It keeps getting better and better and I'm fucking addicted. I also watch Smallville so it bugs me that I have to TiVo one of the shows so I can watch them both, but damn this is a good show and has everything.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: kotte on April 02, 2005, 05:08:05 PM
I am really fucking impressed by Dominic Monaghan in this. He's really shook off his Ring baggage.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 07, 2005, 04:24:58 PM
I blubbered like a baby last night. Powerful episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 07, 2005, 05:57:38 PM
It was great... its really getting more and more intense each week... only 2 episodes to go... I think the Season Finale will be really fucked up
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 07, 2005, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinI blubbered like a baby last night. Powerful episode.

Yeah, I didn't cry, but I'm really, really glad they kept everything soooo simple.

Spoilers

So they show that Jack's engaged, and it could've been 'different' or 'interesting' if he left he was wife, but no. He gets married. It's that simple. And that's more jarring that he has a wife, a loved one, elsewhere. No one on the island is like that.

And then Boone could've been brought back. Jack could've cut off his leg. But no. He just dies. And that's all that needed to happen. When they keep it simple, it's so real. It's almost a novelty on the show too. They sometimes overwrite the characters' backgrounds.

I think this episode was the best written one, next to Sawyer's two episodes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 07, 2005, 10:31:39 PM
I thought it was still corny, but a lot less corny than a lot of other television shows (SPOILER: "I didn't save you... [everyone all together now]... you saved me... *sniff*"  that was pretty bad]

Quote from: Gamblor Ain'tWorthADollarSpoilers

Quote from: Gamblor Ain'tWorthADollarhe has a wife, a loved one, elsewhere. No one on the island is like that.

We don't know that... they keep revealing stuff as they go.  Something else could have happened.  He seemed pretty alone in the more recent flashback.

Quote from: Gamblor Ain'tWorthADollarAnd then Boone could've been brought back. Jack could've cut off his leg. But no. He just dies.

Of course his life is lost right when the child is born.  Is Boone really gone?

Also...a question about last week's episode... what did the person on the radio say right before the old plane fell?  I forget the flight number, but Boone says something like "we're the survivors of flight XX" and I thought the response was "there WERE no survivors of flight XX" and my wife thinks the person said "This IS flight XX"

This show is gonna end up like the Prisoner... it will only ask more questions... once you answer them, you lose viewers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 07, 2005, 11:32:31 PM
SPOILERS

About Boone, I totally agree. A life was lost, but a life was gained. I don't think it's a reincarnation, but it's a testament to beginnings and endings.

You're right about Jack's wife. I was assuming that stayed married until Jack went to Australia.

Also, I disagree about this being like Prisoner. The first season of this show is setting up all the questions. It's relentless in its refusal to give answers though. It's always hinting at something. I think the answer will be a huge payoff that will bring more viewers. I think it would be perfect to actually round out this series, after a season or two, and have the people leave the island. Like a loooong movie, beginning, middle and end. All the answers will be refreshing, because there are secrets that the characters are uncovering along with the audience.

And the radio said "There were no survivors on flight Oceania 815" or something like that, I believe.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 08, 2005, 12:40:15 AM
The thing about it is that they can start revealing some questions... but think of HOW MANY questions...

- The Frenchwoman?
- Where the hell did Ethan come from?
- What the hell happens after they turn on that light (the episode before)
- The Monster?
- The numbers that brought the Frenchwoman and Hurley (printed on the door).
- More connections between the characters (Sawyer and Jack, Kate and Sawyer, etc.)

I'm probably forgetting some important ones... but its just there is so much going on that its impossible for them to reveal all the answers so fast... this is why its a good show also and everyone is hooked... nobody is trying to solve a mystery... but many... and more appear every episode!

The trailer for the Next Episode and the 2 Hour Season Finale seemed very intense... I hate to think they will end it with an incredible cliffhanger and we'll have to wait four months to know what the fuck happens...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2005, 12:53:20 AM
Lost: The Complete First Season hits DVD on 9/6 (SRP $59.99), featuring "five hours of bonus material, including the original pilot, behind-the-scenes footage of the making of the show; audio commentaries, a blooper reel, roundtable discussions with cast and crew, and a Matthew Fox photography featurette."

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 09, 2005, 03:24:47 PM
*SPOILERS*








Is Boone gone for good?
Sure, the character died. But that hasn't killed speculation he might return. "Lost" actor Ian Somerhalder won't say. Source: Los Angeles Times

Ian Somerhalder is keeping tight-lipped about the true fate of his character Boone on ABC's hit series, "Lost."

Despite the heroic efforts of Jack (Matthew Fox), Boone died in Wednesday's episode from injuries he suffered when a wrecked plane he was crawling around in slipped from a tall tree and fell to the ground.

"I am hoping that I will [return]," Somerhalder said in a phone interview Friday morning from his home in Oahu, Hawaii, where the series is filmed. "I am not sure that I am, but again it's that really cheesy cliché thing — it's 'Lost,' so you truly never know."

Boone was the first major character to be killed off the show, which revolves around a group of plane-crash survivors stranded on a mysterious South Pacific island. Somerhalder, 26, said all the series' regulars were told there was a chance their character could die during the course of the season.

"We are on this island that is the most dangerous place," said the former model. "It would be illogical if there weren't casualties, and the cold hard reality is that people are going to die."

But Somerhalder isn't headed for the unemployment lines anytime soon. He recently signed a deal with ABC/Touchstone.

"It is for a couple of things," he said. "A one-hour drama most definitely."

Somerhalder is also heading off to South Africa next week for a movie called "The Breed."

The blond, blue-eyed actor, previously seen in the 2000 WB series "Young Americans" and 2002 feature "The Rules of Attraction," learned on Jan. 24 that Boone was going to meet his maker.

"Actually, I only remember that [date] because it was right after the Golden Globes," he said, laughing. "I was in the wine country wine tasting when I found out, which made it a little easier."

But Somerhalder said he wasn't really upset about the demise of his character.

"I didn't even think about it," he said. "That is one of those things. It was more about, 'Shoot. I am going to have to leave Hawaii and leave this group of people I adore.' "

The actor admitted he was scared when it came time to shoot his death scene. "You are so worried to make it correct. I was frightened of it, but we got through it. Foxy [Matthew Fox] is the best actor I ever worked with, and I have worked with some really amazing people."

Websites and publications have been questioning whether Boone might pop up on subsequent episodes, but mum's the word from Somerhalder.

He's just moving forward, hoping to produce his own film projects through his company, Journey's End Films.

"Once things calm down there are a couple of scripts, one in particular which I can't wait to do," he said.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 25, 2005, 09:21:29 PM
BLAH BLAH SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






SO. The season finale.

Good lord, they have barely answered anything. Are these guys pirates? Where's that ladder go? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. It will take all of season 2 to figure these questions out. But I will still watch because it's a great show. I love the histories and backstories. Hurley's adventure getting to the plane was great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 27, 2005, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblor Posts DrunkAre these guys pirates?

****SPOILERS***



i have a feeling the guys who took Walt are the same people Danielle was going to meet at the black smoke, "the others" she's always referring to...  the blond haired girl that was in the cabin is prolly her daughter.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 27, 2005, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: Jay Tee Em****SPOILERS***



i have a feeling the guys who took Walt are the same people Danielle was going to meet at the black smoke, "the others" she's always referring to...

I thought that was pretty obvious.  She said "but they said they were coming for the boy", which made the viewer say "oh my" because you knew it was going to be Walt.

as far as "where does the ladder go?", the answer is "nowhere".  The reveal showed that the ladder stops way before the bottom of whatever's in that hatch.

I like it when they leave characters in a life-threatening situation at the end of the season.  It's obvious that they're trying to figure out whether they want to keep those actors/characters.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 27, 2005, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
I thought that was pretty obvious.  She said "but they said they were coming for the boy", which made the viewer say "oh my" because you knew it was going to be Walt.

what put doubt in my mind was the fact that they had a boat.  i assumed "the others" were the survivors from Danielle's crew and they went crazy or sumpthin. where'd the boat come from? i guess we'll find out next season.

Quote from: RegularKarateI like it when they leave characters in a life-threatening situation at the end of the season.  It's obvious that they're trying to figure out whether they want to keep those actors/characters.

there's no way they'll kill Sawyer off, his character is just too great.  besides, it looked like he was just shot in the arm.  they just needed a reason to get the gun away from him so Walt could be kidnapped..... if you were referring to all of them, they'll put the fire out and repair the boat, no sweat.



my predictions for next season:

-the guys on the raft will put 2 and 2 together and figure out it was "the others" that kidnapped Walt and return to the island.
-they will find survivors from the tail of the plane, one of them being Michelle Rodriguez who will hook up with Jack.
-Kate and Sawyer will bang.
-Jack will die.
-just kiddin about Jack.
-Boone will return as some sort of apparition that only Shannon can see and may or may not just be in her head.
-"the others" will kill Danielle.
-Locke will turn into a full fledged villain.
-Hurley's fat ass won't lose any weight.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 29, 2005, 12:01:39 AM
The numbers is still the most intriging question for me...

As far as the characters... I think they will all be back... I think I heard JJ Abrams saying something about that, but also the show is very successful as it is and its not that you see any of the characters heading to a new show or anything... so I guess they'll be back at least for a while

Damn its amazing how after 25 episodes they kept so many things... like the freakin monster in the first episode is still a mystery...

Oh well... 4 months to see what happens next
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 29, 2005, 01:24:46 AM
Quote from: andykalAs far as the characters... I think they will all be back... I think I heard JJ Abrams saying something about that

yeah but he also said most of the questions people had will be answered in the finale.  that was obviously a crock of shit.

Quote from: andykalDamn its amazing how after 25 episodes they kept so many things... like the freakin monster in the first episode is still a mystery...

what to you mean?  now we know the monster may or may not be a puff of poorly cgi'd black smoke. :yabbse-tongue:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 29, 2005, 10:40:26 AM
There has been talk on other boards that the black puff of smoke is nanobots, there is a .gif from the pilot that shows this black puff exploding one of the jet engines, so it seems that the creators like Crichtons book Prey
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on July 20, 2005, 10:40:29 AM
Check out the new season 1 promo from the UK:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/

Directed by David LaChapelle

Kinda weird but I like it and there is another one here with portishead music:

http://trent.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on July 20, 2005, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: EEz28so it seems that the creators like Crichtons book Prey

Let's not go crazy... nobody liked Crichton's book, "Prey".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 26, 2005, 04:07:21 AM
can u believe the first season JUST finished last nite over here? i hear the next season is starting like in a couple weeks over there! i will definitely be stealing it this time.

the polar bear was answered inasmuch as Walt imagined it and it happened. i didn't like the ending, it was disappointing, as has been said to death nothing was revealed. but also it was the worst written and worst acted episode of the whole series. if they'd started the show on that note, i would never have watched.

i know americans are famously useless at discerning accents, but whoever hired those stupid actors in the airport to sound australian must be SHOT IN THE NUTS. omg, "dee yee went me to weigh u, deee?" they were horrible even for KIWI accents. the only featured extra who didn't make me laugh my ass off was the guy who told hurly "back o' the loyne". u know what a real australian accent sounds like, right? it sounds like Clare! so it's not like they hav no idea. jesus that was the first thing that sucked.

secondly, still showing us backstory on the day of the flight in the last episode? wtf. we get it, their lives intertwined. they could've revealed so much more but then it wouldn't hav been a cliffhanger. then a 15min slow motion montage. hahah, come on. worst written episode ever. hurly just repeating like a dumb idiot "the numbers are bad the numbers are bad the numbers are bad!" yeah that's gonna stop locke!

setting up that Jack is going to go against Locke in the next season "i got ur back", was laughable. and i'm speaking as sumone who LOVES this show! ok enuff exclamations, i was just expecting to be given a little more credit. what else, the only bad acting that looked decent was michael's desperation when walt got taken.

so yeah as mentioned before, the ppl on the boat are some of 'the others', they're probably living inside the island sumhow, that's where the tunnel goes. no idea what the hell the smoke was, or what the numbers mean, but they did enter gate 23 and that meant sumthing to kate, maybe the other numbers mean sumthing to jack, locke, etc.

still, the best new show of the year, the hottest female cast of any show.. annnnd it owns us all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 26, 2005, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: Pubrickworst acted episode of the whole series.

That trend will continue now that Michelle Rodriguez is a regular on the show.

Quote from: Pubrickthe hottest female cast of any show..

Too bad they have to ruin it by making Michelle Rodriguez a regular on the show.

Quote from: Pubrickso yeah as mentioned before, the ppl on the boat are some of 'the others', they're probably living inside the island sumhow, that's where the tunnel goes.

Did I mention Michelle Rodriguez will be a regular on the show? :yabbse-puke:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on August 26, 2005, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Pubricki know americans are famously useless at discerning accents, but whoever hired those stupid actors in the airport to sound australian must be SHOT IN THE NUTS. omg, "dee yee went me to weigh u, deee?" they were horrible even for KIWI accents. the only featured extra who didn't make me laugh my ass off was the guy who told hurly "back o' the loyne". u know what a real australian accent sounds like, right? it sounds like Clare! so it's not like they hav no idea. jesus that was the first thing that sucked.

That's what happens when you hire a bunch of American actors who aren't good enough to get hired for real roles, and then expect them to do accents.

In other news, isn't Michelle Rodriguez great?  Everyone I know thinks so.   :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 27, 2005, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: polkabluesIn other news, isn't Michelle Rodriguez great?  Everyone I know thinks so.   :yabbse-thumbup:

You know a lot of blind and deaf eunuchs.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 27, 2005, 05:46:13 PM
I'm excited about the new season... but unless they start answering some questions soon people are gonna get bored... otherwise it will be reduced to jack vs. locke (like before), charlie with his heroin (like before), and more unsolved mysteries (like before) that will make the show suck and people get lost because you dont even know what the fuck is happening to the original plot anymore
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 27, 2005, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: name deleted by modage
Quote from: polkabluesIn other news, isn't Michelle Rodriguez great?  Everyone I know thinks so.   :yabbse-thumbup:

You know a lot of blind and deaf eunuchs.
hahaha. i too hope they brought her in just to kill her off. bad casting choice unless she plays a blind and deaf eunuch herself.

imdb shows another new character being introduced, played by an african with an unpronounceable name, was he one of the dudes who took walt? u'd hav to be a major Recall Allstar to remember, but i think he was on the boat.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on August 28, 2005, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: andykI'm excited about the new season... but unless they start answering some questions soon people are gonna get bored... otherwise it will be reduced to jack vs. locke (like before), charlie with his heroin (like before), and more unsolved mysteries (like before) that will make the show suck and people get lost because you dont even know what the fuck is happening to the original plot anymore


I read an article in USA today a while ago that said many questions would be answered in the very first episode with definite answers not more questions.  I guess they realized that creating a ton more questions and answering none in the final episode pissed a lot of people off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on September 02, 2005, 10:37:26 PM
okay i am PSYCHED to start watching season 1 on tuesday, but already worried about the potential letdown in season two.  with j.j. off doing mi3, will lost suffer an alias like nosedive?  macguffin your thoughts....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 03, 2005, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: modagewith j.j. off doing mi3, will lost suffer an alias like nosedive?  macguffin your thoughts....

I wanna read the EW cover article to get an idea of where they are taking the series, but right now I would say Lost has the better writing staff than Alias, so I have higher hopes that it will stay it's course (despite the casting of Michelle Rodriguez). Where Alias has gone wrong is that it tried something different that didn't work and then they tried to go back to basics by wiping the slate clean, but that has only made the show feel repetitive.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on September 04, 2005, 12:48:29 AM
and the less said about the last season of Felicity, the better.

wow, what a borefest.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 19, 2005, 12:34:26 AM
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ABC thriller 'Lost' wins Emmy for best drama

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The popular new castaway thriller "Lost," which helped lead a ratings rebound at the ABC television network last season, won the Emmy Award on Sunday for best drama series.

The eerie episodic drama, about a group of plane crash survivors marooned on a spooky, remote island, was widely seen as sparking a new wave of high-concept, supernatural shows coming to prime time this fall. The Emmys are the U.S. TV industry's top awards.

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Backstage notes: Abrams praises 'Lost' cast

J.J. Abrams, who won the directing nod for a drama series, explained why the first season of "Lost" ended with riddles rather than resolution. "Our goal was to frustrate the hell out of you," he joked. "We tried to give the end a sense of a new chapter. ... It's an amazing thing to see this thing evolve."

As for "Lost's" success, Abrams credited the series' talented, diverse cast. "We cast actors who inspired us," he said. "As well as a script can be written or the show be directed, ultimately it's the cast that compels people to watch."
 
And with ABC, "Lost" has found a loving home, Abrams said. "(The network was) remarkably supportive of us and the show," he added. "It feels like it is where it should be." Likewise, the series' creator said Hawaii is perfect locale for his baby. "They were faster than any crew I've ever worked with," Abrams said of the island work force. "They do an amazing job."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on September 21, 2005, 09:04:04 PM
SPOILERS








1) Not much was revealed... I thought we would find more out.
2) I knew the scottish dude would be the guy from the begining
3) Why would the INSIDE of the hatch door say "Quarantine"... they know they're quarantined, the point of the sign is usually to keep people out.
4) Still an exciting episode... I hope the others show up on the outside... I think the guy inside is a good guy and NOT working with "the others".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 21, 2005, 11:11:53 PM
This was an awesome episode. Probably the best use of the flashback so far, maybe next to any of Sawyer's stories. And I love how they made Jack look younger...just like when he was on Party of Five.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on September 22, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate
3) Why would the INSIDE of the hatch door say "Quarantine"... they know they're quarantined, the point of the sign is usually to keep people out.

Unless it's not the people inside that are being quarantined, but the people outside.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 22, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: RegularKarate
3) Why would the INSIDE of the hatch door say "Quarantine"... they know they're quarantined, the point of the sign is usually to keep people out.

Unless it's not the people inside that are being quarantined, but the people outside.

Thats what I thought.

SPOILERS

I loved the beginning, showing the guy go through his day like anybody else. And the way they built the whole place was cool. Also I liked that they focused a lot on Jack, Kate and Locke, and the Hatch, and they didnt go into what happened to the guys at the raft yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 22, 2005, 10:04:16 AM
SPOILERS


I have to watch the episode again but apparently the person Jack's ex-wife killed in the crash was Shannon's father.   :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on September 22, 2005, 12:05:07 PM
I don't know what to make of this at all but i do think that the scottish guy is a good guy with some sort of super natural powers.  When Jack first met him he said the surgery was a failure and then the scottish dude was like well what if it just turned out alright?  And then it did.  How or why he ended up in a hatch on a mysterious island filled with electronics from various decades? i don't know.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 22, 2005, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: TictacbkI don't know what to make of this at all but i do think that the scottish guy is a good guy with some sort of super natural powers.  When Jack first met him he said the surgery was a failure and then the scottish dude was like well what if it just turned out alright?  And then it did.  How or why he ended up in a hatch on a mysterious island filled with electronics from various decades? i don't know.

This is what a friend of mine posted on the Lost message board on ABC.com.



Quote from: My friend Benhttp://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon2hr.jpg

This is the logo on Desmond's jumpsuit, and his medicine cabinet, and
the computer, and several places along the walls of the hatch.  It's
tough to make out, but some of our brighter minds have discerned that
the company (as this is surely a logo) is called Dharma.

"Dharma is a cosmic principle that is difficult, if not impossible, to
define. Our Dharma is our true place in the cosmic process: in time, in
space, in awareness, in thought, deed and desire. The eternal principle
of Dharma determines the harmonious functions of the cosmic machine. In
order that we fulfil our role in the divine play we must behave within
our Dharma. That is, we ought to do the right thing, at the right time,
In the right way, and for the right reason. By this we attain balance.
To establish balance within ourselves ensures our own welfare and the
welfare of society. And opens the path prepared for us by the divine."

You can also see, in the center of what is a recreation of the I Ching
circle, a swan.  I don't think it's too far of a stretch to connect the
dots thusly:

Desmond is a representative of a group that turns spiritual "ugly
ducklings" into "swans".  And there you have it, folks, the key to the
entire series.


I think he's part right.  I think it's more that Desmond is the happy medium between Jack and Locke.  If he works for Dharma and dharma is, roughly, about balance, then I think that he is the only way that Jack and Locke are going to be able to work together.  Because the logo may look like a swan but it looks like a yin-yang as well.  And Desmond did say he was almost a doctor, so he's got the science like Jack, but got Jack thinking "what if" about Sarah being able to walk again, he has faith like Locke.  The episode's title is "Man of Science, Man of Faith."  We assumed that it was referring to Jack and Locke but now I'm positive it's referring to Desmond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 22, 2005, 04:09:51 PM
SPOILERS maybe

My sister sent me a link about Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes, how we all have a twin, and how the cursed numbers on Lost hook up with them. Here's a link:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=562343&forumStart=0
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on September 22, 2005, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: GamblourSPOILERS maybe

My sister sent me a link about Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes, how we all have a twin, and how the cursed numbers on Lost hook up with them. Here's a link:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=562343&forumStart=0

It's a very cool theory.  Or it would be, if it wasn't made up out of whole cloth.  There is no such thing as Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes.  Somebody (either someone connected with the show or a fan of the show) concocted the whole thing.  Fun to read, though!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 22, 2005, 08:26:29 PM
Well I'll be...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 22, 2005, 09:32:13 PM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: GamblourSPOILERS maybe

My sister sent me a link about Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes, how we all have a twin, and how the cursed numbers on Lost hook up with them. Here's a link:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=562343&forumStart=0

It's a very cool theory.  Or it would be, if it wasn't made up out of whole cloth.  There is no such thing as Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes.  Somebody (either someone connected with the show or a fan of the show) concocted the whole thing.  Fun to read, though!

That's disappointing.  First Walken isn't running for president, now this shit!   :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 22, 2005, 10:22:31 PM
If you Google any of those things you realize its bullshit... but its still very interesting if its somehow connected to the show...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on September 28, 2005, 09:45:12 PM
Boo episodes doubling back on themselves...


Hooray for sharks.


These last two episodes would've made a sweet 2 hour long premiere.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on September 28, 2005, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: TictacbkBoo episodes doubling back on themselves...

This was my favorite element of it... I was really pleased that we haven't hardly moved past the end of episode one.  In fact I see them doing this in the next episode too, as long as they don't take it to far, I'd dig it.

anyone notice the tail of the shark?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on September 28, 2005, 09:59:37 PM
spoiler i guess....



hell yea i noticed the tail of the shark with that symbol or something  close to that symbol that was all over the hatch.  What do you think that countdown was?  And who was Desmond waiting for?  And who is sick? and what did one snowman say to the other snowman?


man i like this episode more and more by the minute.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on September 28, 2005, 11:17:55 PM
Well, that sickness desmond is talking about is probably what rousseau was talking about when she said her group all got sick and started dying.

i totally missed that symbol on the shark tail, but then to me the whole episode was really dark, probably just the tv

That countdown thing was really creepy, 108, which by the way is the sum of the numbers

Good start to the season overall
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2005, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: Tictacbkand what did one snowman say to the other snowman?

Do you smell carrots?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 29, 2005, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: TictacbkThese last two episodes would've made a sweet 2 hour long premiere.

Along with next week's episode, it would have made an even sweeter 3 hour long premiere.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 29, 2005, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow
Quote from: TictacbkThese last two episodes would've made a sweet 2 hour long premiere.

Along with next week's episode, it would have made an even sweeter 3 hour long premiere.

Maybe show the whole season in back to back episodes... that would be nice... if not just think that the season will last until May... thats 20 more episodes in more than 6 months!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on September 29, 2005, 08:49:32 PM
Here's what the numbers mean:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sh/47743274/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on September 29, 2005, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: edisonHere's what the numbers mean:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sh/47743274/

Maybe that's what they mean, but what do they mean?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 29, 2005, 09:55:38 PM
Wow... how they came up with all this is incredible... I love this show

I saw the shark tale too... its too much... I want some damn answers!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 01, 2005, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: TictacbkBoo episodes doubling back on themselves...

This was my favorite element of it... I was really pleased that we haven't hardly moved past the end of episode one.  In fact I see them doing this in the next episode too, as long as they don't take it to far, I'd dig it.

anyone notice the tail of the shark?

I agree, I absolutely loved that we got to see the same stuff from different perspectives. I mean, the show moved slow enough last season, at least they're making it interesting with varying perspectives. and we still get more information instead of just one collective getting the same information at once.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 01, 2005, 01:27:53 PM
i just finished season one last night.  watched the 2 fromt his season today and now i'm caught up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on October 02, 2005, 12:40:14 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg

A promo for Lost for the UK, directed by David LaChappelle.  Quite odd and wonderful.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 02, 2005, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: edison in JulyCheck out the new season 1 promo from the UK:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/

Directed by David LaChapelle

Kinda weird but I like it and there is another one here with portishead music:

http://trent.blogspot.com/

A little late on that one bud
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 05, 2005, 09:42:26 PM
Hmm, I can't believe I'm saying this but I wish they held back on some of the info they gave. It was like three episodes worth. I mean, I guess I can't complain, I got some answer, but I like it divvied out in smaller bits.

SPOILERS:


Desmond's a great character, hope he sticks around longer.

I can't believe they showed Jin speaking english in next week's episode. First of all, that's a big reveal for a "next on..." clip. Secondly, WHY the fuck is he speaking english all of a sudden? Why would he hide it?

Here's my theory: So, the film explained that it's a big experiment, somewhat. I think maybe the island crashed the plane, and that the two groups of people are the experiment. One formed a pseudo-utopia, where it's not entirely hostile. The other group, the tail end of the plane, formed a very hostile group. Maybe a Lord of the Flies thing. They're polar opposite groups. I dunno, that would be a dull way to do it. But maybe it'll be cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on October 06, 2005, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: GamblourSPOILERS





Here's my theory: So, the film explained that it's a big experiment, somewhat. I think maybe the island crashed the plane, and that the two groups of people are the experiment. One formed a pseudo-utopia, where it's not entirely hostile. The other group, the tail end of the plane, formed a very hostile group. Maybe a Lord of the Flies thing. They're polar opposite groups. I dunno, that would be a dull way to do it. But maybe it'll be cool.
Maybe they all died on the plane crash, and this is all just a crazy dream.

Yeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.

So far this season, rather than being totally absorbed, so far I'm just skeptical of how they're going to pull all this stuff off.  But either way, the character stuff is what I watch for.  I think most of the fans of the show watch because they'll follow those characters anywhere.  And it will only get crazier as it goes on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 06, 2005, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: matt35mmYeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.

Totally disagree... that moment made me go (internally) "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!"  Which is what I watch this show for... even the fucking "On Next Week's Episode" has cliffhangers!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on October 06, 2005, 12:27:39 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: matt35mmYeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.

Totally disagree... that moment made me go (internally) "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!"  Which is what I watch this show for... even the fucking "On Next Week's Episode" has cliffhangers!
But if you didn't know, and you saw it on the show, it'd be tons more "what the fuck!?!?!"  Now when that moment happens on the show, it won't be surprising.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 06, 2005, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: matt35mmYeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.

Totally disagree... that moment made me go (internally) "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!"  Which is what I watch this show for... even the fucking "On Next Week's Episode" has cliffhangers!


I'm with you on this one...minus the "internally"...me and everyone in the room watching it with me literally yelled something along the lines of "what the fuck!"

As for the episode...all i have to say is "what the fuck?"  They managed to flood this episode with a shitload of information on the experiment and developed Desmonds character into something lovely, but it also created a whole knew mass of confusion.  The more i know, the more i wonder "what the hell is going on" and i love it.  

So heres another question, regarding the other side of the island...the people with the cage and the clubs and whatnot who are holding sawyer, michael and jin...do you think they're "the others" or the people from the tail of the plane? or niether?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 06, 2005, 09:11:57 AM
I don't think they're the others, I think they're just the tail end people. And they're really bastardly, and eventually both groups will come together. I just hope JJ Abrams is smart and cuts this off after a few seasons and resolves it well, it could be amazingly great.

I really like how Rodriguez was used in the season finale, talking to Jack at the airport bar. When she says she's in the back of the plane, it's pretty emotional because you know she's going to die. Now they've reversed that and brought her back, and she can punch the fuck out of Sawyer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 06, 2005, 09:31:10 AM
Good episode, holy crap there was so much info

I think the other group was so hostile to the rafters because they probably had a run in with the others at some point and it didnt turn out so great: There is a spoiler around that the others... have killed most of the tail section
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 06, 2005, 10:59:09 AM
yeah, the tail ender's are not 'the others'.  and i knew michelle rodriguez was a plant in the hole to get information from them from the beginning.  and i liked her better in the bar because she was being nice and charming and not her usual routine of 'tough' chick which i felt "wow, thats great.  they're using her as an actress instead of just a 'type'", but as this episode revealed, no that was just setup to show a contrast in how she used to be and how she is now.  hopefully they will bring out both when she sees jack.  my girlfriend wonders if the crazy black guy with the spear is the black woman who 'knows her husbands still alive' husband.  and the way desmond said 'see you in the next life' REALLY goes to support the theory they're all dead or in comas or something but the creators insist that isnt the case.  so maybe it just means 'another life' like they've all gotten a chance to start over on the island here.  they're also pitting jack and locke against each other pretty hardcore lately, i liked it better when they mostly got along but i guess theres no drama in that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 06, 2005, 03:54:59 PM
Who do I blame? The characters for not knowing Michelle Rodriguez ( :yabbse-angry: = That's my impersonation of her) was an obvious plant, or the producers for hiring such an awful "actress" (note the quotation marks) that I was able to tell she was one of The Others (just going by what Jin called them).

God, I hope two polar bears maul her... and then Sawyer puts that gun up her ass and pulls the fuckin' trigger 'til it goes 'click'.



And I'm also in the camp that believes Jin speaking Engrish is a great reason to anticipate next week's episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 06, 2005, 07:27:01 PM
Rose's husband is not the black guy with the spear....and i'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 07, 2005, 03:19:58 AM
hmm you're no wizard of menlo park, so i'd say if you actually do know more than the rest of us for some reason, cut it with the spoilers. the idea of rambling on and on about what might be true is fun to read, but you're not doing that. you act like you're somehow in the know, which I don't trust. you are the others right now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 07, 2005, 08:29:05 AM
I also was overwhelmed after so much happening in the episode. The last two were great, but it was also moving very slowly. Now it suddenly changes completely.

It was cool also to see so many people down there, fixing the computer, trying to figure out what the hell... its awsome when you can see that the characters have the same confused look that you have.

I knew also immediately that Michelle was with them and that she didnt survive alone. I still think that, even though they can be hostile and defensive of others, it should have been a much bigger shock for her (and the others) to learn that they were all part of the same flight and that other people besides them survived.

The video also makes you think of the whole experiment... including the fricking shark with the fricking tatoo on his fricking tail.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 07, 2005, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: Gamblourhmm you're no wizard of menlo park, so i'd say if you actually do know more than the rest of us for some reason, cut it with the spoilers. the idea of rambling on and on about what might be true is fun to read, but you're not doing that. you act like you're somehow in the know, which I don't trust. you are the others right now.

I'm not in the know, i just dont stay from spoilers and i'm sorry for what i posted but I just find it hard to not say anything to a comment I know to be wrong

Very cute about the menlo park comment by the way
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 12, 2005, 09:10:57 PM
spoilers...
Initial reaction: I didn't like this episode much.

I'm kinda sick of the backstory linking up perfectly with the story taking place on the island.  I liked it better when they were just there to just develop the characters and fill you in on their past.  

Jin speaking english=whatafuckincopout.  I mean if you're gonna make it a dream atleast don't have it be the first scene, let me wait a little for it.  

And in the span of this episode I developed an extreme disliking for Michelle Rodriguez.  She can't act, and when she tries she's comes off as some man-looking Angelina Jolie or something.

And what the hell happened to the supernatural side of this show?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 12, 2005, 11:22:04 PM
the backstory tie-in is something you'll probably have to get used to.

It makes sense to match it up... it's pretty much always matched up, but now that we've seen the characters lives we see the details.  

The supernatural side is still there...

Michelle Rodriguez always sucked, but she is ESPECIALLY annoying now... I really hate that they're going to try to do something between her and Sawyer... so annoying and predictable.  I really want Sawyer to kill her like he said.

So... the people from the tail... Canabals?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 12, 2005, 11:28:42 PM
Either cannibals or they all died of disease. Michelle Rodriguez is horrific (looking). Charlie SUCKED especially. My roommate, who doesn't watch often, was like why the fuck is this guy having immature arguments, "Dude you're just one of them" "I thought we were friends!" wah wah, Charlie sucks. And the bottle storyline, didn't really get why the Korean woman was the one to deal with it.

Episode decent, but uneven. Kate in a shower is always magnificent.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2005, 12:12:02 AM
First off, edison is forbidden to speak about future episodes.

And I'm beginning to think the hatch is based on the Simpson's episode where Homer had to vent the gas every so often.

Quote from: RegularKarateMichelle Rodriguez always sucked, but she is ESPECIALLY annoying now... I really hate that they're going to try to do something between her and Sawyer... so annoying and predictable.  I really want Sawyer to kill her like he said.

I'm hoping Sawyer is playing possum and will break her defenses down by killing her with kindness.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 13, 2005, 12:41:44 AM
I don't think the back of the plane people are eating eachother...but i do think that a number of them has been killed by the others.

I also agree it'd be sweet if Sawyer was pulling a con on the island where he woos Rodriguez and then gets what he needs and feeds her to the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2005, 12:35:56 PM
SPOILERS FOR LOST AND FOR WOLVES OF THE CALLA

If you've read Wolves, maybe you already know what I'm suggesting here.

maybe the others come and demand a new sacrifice every now and again.

Maybe Sawyer and gang are being held to be the next sacrifices.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 13, 2005, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: RegularKarateSPOILERS FOR LOST AND FOR WOLVES OF THE CALLA

If you've read Wolves, maybe you already know what I'm suggesting here.

maybe the others come and demand a new sacrifice every now and again.

Maybe Sawyer and gang are being held to be the next sacrifices.

DUDE!  I thought the exact same thing.  Freaky...

Spoilers-esque:
Midway through last season I had a major brainstorm in which "Lost" was really a huge crossover with Stephen King's Dark Tower series.  Specifically, the island is a hub one of the beams, the Others are followers of the Crimson King, who brought the plane down to get Walt, a powerful psychic, in order to use him as a Breaker (the whole "Dharma Initiative" might be a Breaker operation).  Of course, ka conspired to get all the other characters on the plane so they would be able to stop the whole thing.

Do I really believe this to be the case?  No.  But it would be pretty fucking cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 14, 2005, 12:29:56 AM
Alright, finally saw this just now, and i though it was ok. I think the dog is gonna dig up the bottle and cause some trouble by handing it to Jack or Locke. Backstory this time was blah, nothin much new there. Can't wait for Rose and Bernard to get together, now thats probably gonna be a tear-jerker. I think the reason the number of the other group has dwindled is because they were tortured/killed by the others or perhaps the island monster sucked them down or threw them into the trees like the pilot.

This is a pretty funny spolier pic (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotmilk4us.png) from this previous episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on October 14, 2005, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: edisonThis is a pretty funny pic (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotmilk4us.png)  , not a spoiler (at least to those who have seen the episode), so dont get your underoos in a bunch
i don't think u understand what a spoiler is. if someome has seen whatever ur talking about, then obviously nothing is a spoiler to them. a spoiler can only be experienced by those who are not privvy to what u are discussing/showing.

i'm not even reading this thread cos the new season hasn't started here, i've just noticed that u don't seem to understand the notion of a spoiler, a suspicion confirmed by the quote above.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 14, 2005, 08:11:10 AM
"Lost" actor, wife robbed at gunpoint in home

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A cast member of the Emmy-winning TV series "Lost" and his wife were robbed at gunpoint in their Honolulu home, police and a spokeswoman for the actor said on Thursday.

A spokeswoman for actor     Josh Holloway confirmed that he and his wife had been robbed.

Honolulu police declined to identify Holloway but said a couple living at his property was awakened at 4:10 a.m. local time on Wednesday by a man wearing gray-and-black shirt and baseball cap holding a handgun.

Local KHON-TV reported that the robber took cash and the keys to a Mercedes-Benz car later found in the area.

Holloway, 36, plays Sawyer on ABCs top-rated show "Lost" about survivors of a plane crash trying to survive on a mysterious, uncharted Pacific Island.

"My family and I are fine and appreciate everyone's concerns and good thoughts," the actor said in a statement. "We are very grateful for the help of the Honolulu police department and the support of the local community."

The show is shooting its second season on Hawaii's Oahu.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 14, 2005, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
Quote from: edisonThis is a pretty funny pic (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotmilk4us.png)  , not a spoiler (at least to those who have seen the episode), so dont get your underoos in a bunch
i don't think u understand what a spoiler is. if someome has seen whatever ur talking about, then obviously nothing is a spoiler to them. a spoiler can only be experienced by those who are not privvy to what u are discussing/showing.

i'm not even reading this thread cos the new season hasn't started here, i've just noticed that u don't seem to understand the notion of a spoiler, a suspicion confirmed by the quote above.

Ok, so I said, that the pic is NOT a spoiler to those who have seen the episode, so that means it IS a spoiler to those who have not seen the episode. I guess ill change it to: "This is a pretty funny pic that is a spolier to those who have not seen the episode or to those who live in a place where the new season has not started yet" Is that better?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 14, 2005, 11:36:13 AM
Why didn't Sawyer just beat the shit out of the robber?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 14, 2005, 11:55:14 AM
Because its all just a big con
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 19, 2005, 09:08:52 PM
i dont know what to think about tonight's episode.  i'll let other people post and then i'll conform to your thoughts.

it was a change of pace, at the very least.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 19, 2005, 09:15:52 PM
i dont like them telling us that someone will die in 3 weeks.  i like even less that lost wont be on for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 19, 2005, 09:47:13 PM
I don't think anyone is going to die in 3 weeks.  They just said they'll be "lost forever."  My theory: Walt is lost forever...because he is converted to an other.


As for tonights story...too much Sun.  Yea it was nice to learn more about her and her island/past life, but what happened to the episodes where they were about all the people on the island?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 19, 2005, 11:20:48 PM
The Koreans backstory=boring! I remember last week, when they found the bottle, it was like a who's who of characters that are boring and don't matter anymore, i.e. Claire, Shannon, and Sun. This episode was bad.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: TictacbkI don't think anyone is going to die in 3 weeks.  They just said they'll be "lost forever."  My theory: Walt is lost forever...because he is converted to an other.

I guess you missed the spoiler over at aint it cool then.

So far i've seen half of this and while the backstorys this season are becoming pointless the island stuff is keeping me hooked. I have only seen to the part when the Others cross in front of Jin and Mr. Echo and that teddy bear dragging on the ground was creepy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 20, 2005, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: edison
Quote from: TictacbkI don't think anyone is going to die in 3 weeks.  They just said they'll be "lost forever."  My theory: Walt is lost forever...because he is converted to an other.

I guess you missed the spoiler over at aint it cool then.

Are you a fatuous fuck or just a stupid kid? Do you not understand any of the implications of nuance in the English language? Do you not get that when you say things like "missed the spoiler" that you are SPOILING something for Tictacbk, by telling him his assumption is wrong? He is tabula rasa with his idea of someone not dying, and then you come and say something, for whatever inane reason, that spoils and ruins the best part of this show: speculating what will happen!

MacGuffin might only have been half serious, but I am COMPLETELY serious. Ban Edison.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 09:11:14 AM
i didnt say anything about anyone dying. he made two comments (about someone dying and about walt) so it could be about either. Why is everyone such a baby about this show, its no like yall are even talking about it anyway, so Mac can do all this

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*SPOILERS*








Is Boone gone for good?
Sure, the character died. But that hasn't killed speculation he might return. "Lost" actor Ian Somerhalder won't say. Source: Los Angeles Times

Ian Somerhalder is keeping tight-lipped about the true fate of his character Boone on ABC's hit series, "Lost."

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and no one gives a damn and i make some comment and its all "shut up, you'll ruin it!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: GamblourMacGuffin might only have been half serious, but I am COMPLETELY serious.

I was more than half.

Quote from: edisonso Mac can do all this


and no one gives a damn and i make some comment and its all "shut up, you'll ruin it!!"

Because I gave a fair warning that what you read below will be a Spoiler if you haven't seen that episode. Plus, that article was posted AFTER that episode was shown. I wasn't spoiling future episodes for everyone, only for those who haven't watched that far yet.

Quote from: edisonWhy is everyone such a baby about this show

Because not knowing where the show is going is what makes it so great. You tell us what's going to happen, it ruins our involvement and the mystery for us.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 05:50:32 PM
A. I still stand by my statement that I didnt say anyone was going to die, so you can take what I said about aintitcool however you want.

2. How can yall be so "involved" in the show what all yall talk about is speculation and I have yet to read of anyone following the mythology or the neat little things they throw in (like how Jin said Orange was love and then Sun was drinking Orange juice, or how her name ties in, or how the girl in Orange hooked them up; also the tie-in websites:Hanso foundation, Mr. Clucks website) that the creators have thrown out there for us to follow.

C. I promise I'll never post on this thread again :(

4. MacGuffin:Because I gave a fair warning that what you read below will be a Spoiler if you haven't seen that episode.

Well I did that a few pages back and Pubrick jumped on my ass that I didnt know what a spoiler was and I posted a statement much like yours. So I guess everyone is out to get me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: edison2. How can yall be so "involved" in the show what all yall talk about is speculation and I have yet to read of anyone following the mythology or the neat little things they throw in (like how Jin said Orange was love and then Sun was drinking Orange juice, or how her name ties in, or how the girl in Orange hooked them up; also the tie-in websites:Hanso foundation, Mr. Clucks website) that the creators have thrown out there for us to follow.

Just because we don't talk all the hidden bits and such, doesn't mean we don't see or know about them. Sorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website. If want to bring them up, that's fine, but what you are continuing to do is spoil future episodes.

"Involved" means speculation about the characters because we care about them. It also means we don't want things ruined for us because that surprise element is gone.

Quote from: edison4. MacGuffin:Because I gave a fair warning that what you read below will be a Spoiler if you haven't seen that episode.

Well I did that a few pages back and Pubrick jumped on my ass that I didnt know what a spoiler was and I posted a statement much like yours. So I guess everyone is out to get me.

Umm, no. What you did was give away, without any warning, a piece of story bit for an episode that hadn't aired yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinSorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website.

Oh thats right, you guys dont discuss anything in geeky detail

Quote from: MacGuffin
Just because we don't talk all the hidden bits and such, doesn't mean we don't see or know about them.

Well how about bringing them up, that would bring more discussion about things that really happened and less about what might happen.

Quote from: MacGuffinIf want to bring them up, that's fine, but what you are continuing to do is spoil future episodes.

Like I said, I will not post anything more about the show


Quote from: MacGuffinUmm, no. What you did was give away, without any warning, a piece of story bit for an episode that hadn't aired yet.

Umm, yes. What I did was post a pic saying that it was a spoiler to those who had not seen the episode, and that was after the episode had aired.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 20, 2005, 06:40:51 PM
look.  

speculation = fun.  :-D

spoilers = not fun. :(

the subtle but HUGE difference?  advance knowledge.  

if you dont know whats going to happen, feel free to return to this thread and guess.  if you do, dont tell us.  thats all.  no big deal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 07:12:03 PM
But do you see how this all started? I made a post about a pic that i stated was a spoiler to those who had not seen the show, then I got jumped on when for the previous 3-4 pages every other post had spoiler in bold and no one said a damn thing about it. I know my big mistake was the comment about Bernard but ever since people have been taking what im saying and twisting it, and like i said many times i didnt say anyone was dying, it was gambling man who said i did and so did you:

Quote from: Modagei dont like them telling us that someone will die in 3 weeks

So do you know someting we dont? Because the preview didnt say someone was dying.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 07:59:04 PM
Quote from: edisonOh thats right, you guys dont discuss anything in geeky detail.

Quote from: MacGuffinSorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website.

Quote from: edisonWell how about bringing them up, that would bring more discussion about things that really happened and less about what might happen.

Quote from: MacGuffinIf want to bring them up, that's fine.

Quote from: edisonUmm, yes. What I did was post a pic saying that it was a spoiler to those who had not seen the episode, and that was after the episode had aired.

So you totally forgot about leaking info about Rose? That's how all this started.

Quote from: edisonI know my big mistake was the comment about Bernard...

I guess you didn't. That spoiler happened BEFORE the picture posting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinSorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website.

The sites Im talking about are created by ABC and not some geek fan.

Quote from: edisonWell how about bringing them up, that would bring more discussion about things that really happened and less about what might happen.

Quote from: MacGuffinIf want to bring them up, that's fine.

I dont want to be the only one......especially if no one is going to respond to them.

Quote from: edisonUmm, yes. What I did was post a pic saying that it was a spoiler to those who had not seen the episode, and that was after the episode had aired.

So you totally forgot about leaking info about Rose? That's how all this started.

Quote from: edisonI know my big mistake was the comment about Bernard...

Quote from: MacGuffinI guess you didn't. That spoiler happened BEFORE the picture posting.

Which I reedited, but when I specifically say that my post is a spoiler (such as the post about the picture) and then to be told I dont know what a spoiler is when I state that what I am posting is not a spoiler to those who had seen that nights show, and if you have your logic hat on will realize that it is in fact a spoiler to those who had NOT seen the show, well then if that is going to happen only to me then so be it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 20, 2005, 08:52:49 PM
I wish Mom and Dad would stop fighting...

But seriously, everybody, let it go.  Read what modage wrote a few posts up, take it to heart, write it on a Post-it and stick it to your monitor if you have to, and then we will all get along with our lives.

Yes, edison, you have been misinterpreted a couple of times.  I hope that's all the validation you need to get past it, because I have the feeling that's all you are going to get.  

So please, please, please... let's move on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 08:55:24 PM
After this post polkablues will be lost forever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 20, 2005, 09:00:20 PM
Possible Spoilers

My sources tell me that in next week's episode, we'll find out that polkablues was in the back of the plane.

Was that a spoiler?  That was a spoiler, right?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 20, 2005, 09:03:16 PM
seriously...i mean lets talk about last nights episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 20, 2005, 09:08:29 PM
So Hurley's still fat...what's the deal?

The episode was just too boring for me to comment any further.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 20, 2005, 09:09:20 PM
Quote from: JimmyGatorseriously...i mean lets talk about last nights episode.

I loved it.  I'm actually happy to see them getting back to more personal stories, as opposed to the dense, fanboy mythology that we got in the first three episodes (not that I'm opposed to dense fanboy mythology, mind you).  It's great that they have the balls to base an entire episode around one of the characters having lost her wedding ring.  It's always those small catharses that are most powerful on that show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 10:36:38 PM
ok, its gone now.....thanks polka

I really liked that moment when they bumped into each other, and Hurley's line about which Korea did she come from was funny.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 20, 2005, 11:27:43 PM
Yeah... I just watched it now cause I missed it last night and I was excited to come in here and see so many new posts (went from 6 pages to 8). I am now dissapointed that the two pages are pure BS about edison and his lack of understanding of the very simple instructions.

Anyhow... I liked and thought it was a very good episode overall... I did not like that they didnt show anything about any developments inside the hatch, or the shifts, etc etc... everyone was out there again. And I also want to see Desmond again soon.

The part with the 'others' walking by and the bear was creepy... and they were many too... which is more creepy.

The Korean backstory is not the most exciting and they are not the most loved characters, but its still necessary and I think it was well done.

Can believe they are already showing repeats for 3 weeks... ABC sucks
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 21, 2005, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: andykI am now dissapointed that the two pages are pure BS about edison and his lack of understanding of the very simple instructions.

But it was so fun to do, wish you could have taken part too.

Does anyone have a count on how many dirty legs walked by? Cause that's a pretty decent group of people to fight with.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 21, 2005, 12:57:12 AM
Im trying to figure out why is your name Edison... but cannot figure it out...

Anyway just remember what you said and stop participating in this thread... and you'll be fine... its fun to fight for maybe a second in here, but then it gets old... ask everybody else!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 21, 2005, 02:17:19 AM
Anybody else get the impression from the legs that we saw (plus the teddy bear), that the line of Others might have all been kids?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 21, 2005, 03:42:27 AM
Quote from: polkabluesAnybody else get the impression from the legs that we saw (plus the teddy bear), that the line of Others might have all been kids?

like the Lost Boys in Peter Pan gone bad... yea that did cross my mind.  I also thought maybe the kid with the teddy bear was Danielle's son that was taken from her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 21, 2005, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: andykIm trying to figure out why is your name Edison... but cannot figure it out...

You can stop trying because there is no real meaning, I once went by eez28 but now I dont have a z28 so the first thing that came to mind was edison.

I thought it was said that daniells's kid was a girl, and so after the season finale there were many theories going around that the girl who threw the bomb on the raft was Alex.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: meatwad on October 21, 2005, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: edisonthere were many theories going around that the girl who threw the bomb on the raft was Alex.

i thought the girl who threw the bomb on the raft and the man with the beard who spoke were the professors from the film they watched in the hatch
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 21, 2005, 02:38:44 PM
i missed the episode before the last.  i feel a little lost in the discussion right now.  what were some key points of the episode (fat guys story)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 27, 2005, 08:30:08 AM
Darren Aronofsky will direct 'Lost'

Who knew cult director Darren Aronofsky was a fan of the boob tube? The Requiem for a Dream helmer has just signed on to direct an episode of ABC's Lost, which will likely air at the beginning of May sweeps. "It was one of those fantastic calls out of the blue," says Lost exec producer Carlton Cuse. "His agents let us know he liked the show, and we jumped at the opportunity. Apparently, he had been watching Lost while up in Montreal shooting The Fountain and got hooked." Speaking of which, won't this interfere with completing Fountain, the director's six years-in-the-making sci-fi epic starring fiancée Rachel Weisz and Hugh Jackman? "I think he will be done," speculates Cuse. "We scheduled it so that [the episode] is coming on the heels of finishing The Fountain. And we will try to put together a story that will be well-suited for Darren's talents and visual imagination."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 27, 2005, 09:28:15 AM
SWEET!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 27, 2005, 10:24:06 AM
oh my god oh my god oh my god

That's awesome.

Me and Darren both like Lost, that means we're like kindred spirits, connected across vast distances by our beings, or something.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 27, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
I no longer need porn.  Just the thought of Darren Aronofsky directing "Lost" and I'm good to go.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 27, 2005, 03:48:39 PM
I hope he directs the episode that kills Michelle Rodriguez, where Charlie pumps her full of heroin and she OD's. Then Hurley gets addicted to weight loss pills and Shannon and Kate do... you know.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on October 27, 2005, 04:46:32 PM
that's interesting.   i haven't seen it but i'm on a tv frenzy and someone could lend me the first season.  is it good?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 27, 2005, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: cronopiois it good?
is heroin addictive?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 27, 2005, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: cronopiothat's interesting.   i haven't seen it but i'm on a tv frenzy and someone could lend me the first season.  is it good?

Short answer:

YES
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 09, 2005, 08:52:15 AM
There is a funny LOST Quiz that tells you which character is more like you.

http://dw.com.com/redir?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fquizfarm.com%2Ftest.php%3Fq_id%3D3264&siteId=3&oId=2061-10786_3-5940241&ontId=10784&lop=nl.ex

I got Jack. There was a code to post for the results with all the info but couldnt figure out how to do it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 09, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
Apparently I'm Michael.  With a close second-place tie of Kate and Shannon.

I have no idea what that says about me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 09, 2005, 09:37:07 PM
new episode.  please tell me didnt just do what i think they did.  i HATE michelle rodriguez.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 09, 2005, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: modage on November 09, 2005, 09:37:07 PM
i HATE michelle rodriguez.

I want to see her get punched in the face.  Regardless of whether or not it happens on the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 10, 2005, 12:03:16 AM
Sayid better torture that bitch!  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 10, 2005, 11:15:25 AM
Mac, your hatred for her has completely rubbed off on me. I fucking HATE that bitch. FUCK.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 10, 2005, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Gamblour on November 10, 2005, 11:15:25 AM
Mac, your hatred for her has completely rubbed off on me. I fucking HATE that bitch. FUCK.

EDIT: SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER  (sorry, guys)

I've gone the other way.  I used to not like her, now I'm like, "Well, I don't hate her like Macguffin does!"

But shooting Shannon, right after they made her all sympathetic and relatable... there will be consequences.

Best episode of the season so far.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 12, 2005, 02:07:04 PM

SPOILERS


Yeah... anyone who liked her or was really trying to like her will realize she is a bitch... Why didnt she just leave them and walk alone on the beach if she is so smart and tough? Cant believe what just happened... that family really had it bad... first the father, step brother, now Shannon... damn

It was a good episode but I realize how much I miss things from the first season... like Sawyer being Sawyer... or even the Hatch... where the fuck were Kate and Jack today anyhow? or Hurley? And bring Desmond back!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 13, 2005, 04:35:09 AM
Not only that but now we have to spend atleast one episode seeing what happened to the other side of the plane.  Granted, thats cool and all its like a whole new story...but where the hell has jack/kate/desmond/anything having to do with the hatch been?  It may be a while until we find out if they dwell on the tail of the plane for a while.

I had this thought...is Shannon really dead? or are we supposed to think she is when Sawyer really is.  Niether of them is in very good condition.  However, I really hope Shannon is dead, her character started to go no where.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 13, 2005, 03:55:53 PM
I wonder who is still doing the shifts with the computer... Locke seemed very into it but obviously he wasnt there at all during the last episode... and considering that now he will be again getting into the story with Charlie and the Heroin... I dont think he will be back in the hatch soon
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 13, 2005, 04:22:30 PM
Maybe the next episode will do that little parallel thing they were doing at the beginning. They'll show us the hatch storyline, while slowly advancing and reiterating the other stories.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 13, 2005, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: andyk on November 13, 2005, 03:55:53 PM
I wonder who is still doing the shifts with the computer... Locke seemed very into it but obviously he wasnt there at all during the last episode... and considering that now he will be again getting into the story with Charlie and the Heroin... I dont think he will be back in the hatch soon
i was thinking the same thing, but assumed it could've been Jack and Kate cause they werent in the last one at all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 16, 2005, 01:36:37 PM
JUST A REMINDER: to anyone tivo-ing/recording the new LOST tonite, it's 5 minutes longer, so dont forget to adjust your recording settings or you'll miss the very end.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 16, 2005, 02:18:58 PM
Why is it five minutes longer?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 16, 2005, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: Gamblour on November 16, 2005, 02:18:58 PM
Why is it five minutes longer?

Because it's Sweeps Month.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 16, 2005, 09:07:56 PM
SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN"T SEEN IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO SPOILERS ARE FOR

hmm it was an interesting episode. I did like seeing their history, but it was still pretty tame/lame. It just wasn't very exciting. My favorite part was finally hearing what they said on the radio: "We're the survivors..." and kinda seeing how their events shaped their mindset as a group is interesting. But where's my sweet, sweet Kate?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on November 16, 2005, 11:37:04 PM
SPOILERS OF COURSE

Quote from: RegularKarate on April 07, 2005, 10:31:39 PM
Also...a question about last week's episode... what did the person on the radio say right before the old plane fell?  I forget the flight number, but Boone says something like "we're the survivors of flight XX" and I thought the response was "there WERE no survivors of flight XX" and my wife thinks the person said "This IS flight XX"

Quote from: Gamblour on April 07, 2005, 11:32:31 PM
,,the radio said "There were no survivors on flight Oceania 815" or something like that, I believe.

and tonight we finally got the answer, which was really the only really good part of the episode other than getting to see one of the others up close and personal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 17, 2005, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on November 16, 2005, 11:37:04 PMand tonight we finally got the answer, which was really the only really good part of the episode other than getting to see one of the others up close and personal.

Besides Ethan in Season 1?


Interesting how the Dharma symbol for the "tailies" was not the swan logo.  :ponder:



Man, if my "life now" meant being stuck with that bitch, I'd want the Others to take me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 02:22:13 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on November 17, 2005, 12:30:04 AM
Man, if my "life now" meant being stuck with that bitch, I'd want the Others to take me.

My plan: take Cynthia Watros off into the jungle and go about starting our own new civilization, if you know what I mean.




....................................





Sex, that is.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 17, 2005, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 02:22:13 AM
Sex, that is.

I don't quite follow....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 01:52:40 PM
Quote from: Gamblour on November 17, 2005, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 02:22:13 AM
Sex, that is.

I don't quite follow....

You see, when a man loves a woman, or is just physically attracted to her, or is drunk, he inserts "something" into "something"... the rest is a little hazy, I slept through that day in Health class.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 17, 2005, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 01:52:40 PM
Quote from: Gamblour on November 17, 2005, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 02:22:13 AM
Sex, that is.

I don't quite follow....

he inserts "money" into "her pocket"...

I think I'm beginning to understand.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 17, 2005, 11:03:40 PM
It wasnt bad... but it kinda broke the standard of the last 30 episodes... which is... focus on everyone, and ONLY ONE, and the flash backs, and all that bullshit.

I dont see the need to develop all these new characters and stories and all that... I just wanted to see what the fuck is happening to the characters you actually care about and follow for over a year!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 21, 2005, 03:11:21 PM
I have a feeling it was planned for season 2 to start here, and all of this to span more than one episode.  But then when everyone got pissed that there were no answers at the end of season 1 they decided not to start season 2 with a whole new side of the plane.  If this is the case, i think it was a good move, I would've been pissed if i didn't see what was in that hatch...but now i haven't even seen the hatch in weeks, the "security system" is non  existent, and i don't even know what I'm waiting to see anymore.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 23, 2005, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: Tictacbk on November 21, 2005, 03:11:21 PMi haven't even seen the hatch in weeks, the "security system" is non  existent, and i don't even know what I'm waiting to see anymore.

That's what makes the show great, man!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 23, 2005, 01:46:01 PM
Tonight I bet it will be all about the bicth Ana Lucia and her flashbacks
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 23, 2005, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: andyk on November 23, 2005, 01:46:01 PM
Tonight I bet it will be all about the bicth Ana Lucia and her flashbacks

I think it's supposed to be Kate day tonight... I read somewhere that tonight we find out what it was she did that had her on the run from the law in the first place.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 23, 2005, 09:18:34 PM
AMBIGUOUS SPOILER

He should have hammered a bullet into her fucking head with the butt of the gun.  Forget shooting her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 24, 2005, 12:12:14 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 23, 2005, 07:47:31 PMI think it's supposed to be Kate day tonight... I read somewhere that tonight we find out what it was she did that had her on the run from the law in the first place.

Wow, could your source have been more wrong? I mean, there's wrong, and then there's wrong. Whatever your source says, I'll add one week.

Quote from: andyk on November 23, 2005, 01:46:01 PM
Tonight I bet it will be all about the bicth Ana Lucia and her flashbacks

I'll listen to you from now on.

Quote from: hacksparrow on November 23, 2005, 09:18:34 PM
AMBIGUOUS SPOILER

He should have hammered a bullet into her fucking head with the butt of the gun.  Forget shooting her.

Man, I could've read off an entire list to Sayeed of what good that would have done.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 24, 2005, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on November 24, 2005, 12:12:14 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 23, 2005, 07:47:31 PMI think it's supposed to be Kate day tonight... I read somewhere that tonight we find out what it was she did that had her on the run from the law in the first place.

Wow, could your source have been more wrong? I mean, there's wrong, and then there's wrong. Whatever your source says, I'll add one week.

In hindsight, I might have been reading next week's "TV Guide". 

On the other hand, had I played that right, I could have looked freakin' psychic.

Anyway.  Ana Lucia: worst cop ever?  Discuss.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 25, 2005, 07:01:13 PM
This episode was structurally weak. The whole bit "What happened to [the guy who shot you]" and then BOOM flashback to what happened. It's never been so transparent before, like "What happened? Heeeeere's what happened." And then the whole pregnancy reveal, it just didn't work. They should've gone ahead and shown it before all that with Sayeed, or just not have had that conversation.

Ana Lucia is still a bitch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 26, 2005, 01:17:51 AM
I agree with everything Gamblour said.  I'm just glad everyone is finally in one spot now.  I feel like now that all of that has been established the show can finally hit a certain flow it lost while jumping around so much from each side of the island. 

The hatch has just become something thats references via "Locke...the button."  It'll stay that way until Desmond reappears.  Apparently those others that got killed were in the Dharma jumpsuits. 

I'm hoping the security system comes back and throws Anna Lucia into a tree. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on November 26, 2005, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Gamblour on November 25, 2005, 07:01:13 PM
This episode was structurally weak. The whole bit "What happened to [the guy who shot you]" and then BOOM flashback to what happened. It's never been so transparent before, like "What happened? Heeeeere's what happened." And then the whole pregnancy reveal, it just didn't work. They should've gone ahead and shown it before all that with Sayeed, or just not have had that conversation.

Ana Lucia is still a bitch.

one of the things i originally appreciated about Lost was the way they would show flashbacks and then later in the episode the character would say something or react to something and you would know that they said or did what they did because of what had happened in the past. it was a wonderful and subtle excercise in character development. that scene was like spoon feeding me the character's personality and it was pretty insulting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 26, 2005, 08:25:28 PM
Lost Numbers Appear in Ireland Lottery... Mostly


   Everyone knows that Hurley won the lottery (and inherited quite a streak of bad luck) by using the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42, numbers which have since popped up quite often on the show.
   The numbers have become so popular that usage of that specific number combination has surged in lotteries around the USA and possibly the world. However, unluckily (or luckily if you believe in the power of the numbers), the numbers have yet to prove to be a winning combination.
   Until November 19, 2005.
   At the Irish National Lottery, the winning numbers for November 19 were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 24 (Bonus: 19). Notice anything about the numbers? Yes, the first five are exactly the same as the Lost numbers, and the sixth - 24 - is 42 reversed.
   The official website for the Irish National Lottery indicates that 298 people matched 5 of the numbers correctly (and one reader reports that it's 4 times the average number of Match 5 winners). One wonders how many of these winners plugged in 4, 8, 15, 16, and 23.
   Which begs the question: Should we worry about a Hurley-like jinx for these people? Or will the luck of the Irish cancel it out?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 27, 2005, 02:43:06 PM
I just looked at my DVR queue for the next couple of days.  I don't remember the ad saying this on Wednesday night but this week's episode is going to be an "extended" one as well.  So set your recording device of choice to stop recording at 10:05.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 27, 2005, 11:23:37 PM
Im out of town so I watched the episode by downloading it on iTunes... pretty nice and fast... the first chance I got to do it I downloaded in 15 minutes and watched it happy.

Anyways, I knew it was going to be about Ana Lucia because after shotting Shannon they had to try and show the reason of why she is such a bitch and I believe they are trying to make people like her, or at least stop wanting her dead.

I also read like polkablues that very soon they will reveal Kate's biggest secret, and I think it will happen in this next one because it would be cool if they focus a lot on her taking care of Sawyer and his reaction when he regains conciousness, as well as the interpretation of Ecko and the others about the Hatch. They didnt show it well, but the place where they stayed on the other side of the Island may have something to do with the hatch too, and it had the Dharma symbols too.

Other than that, I liked the episode... it was entertaining and it really finished a number of issues that were bothering me... like the old guy getting back to his wife, Jack meeting Ana Lucia (it was great when he heard the name and looked shocked), Jin and Sun, everyone knowing finally that the raft didnt make it, and of course seeing Locke, the hatch, and the beautiful Kate back in the action.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 27, 2005, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: andyk on November 27, 2005, 11:23:37 PMI also read like polkablues that very soon they will reveal Kate's biggest secret, and I think it will happen in this next one...

It'll be this next episode. Last week's teaser said so.

Quote from: andyk on November 27, 2005, 11:23:37 PMThey didnt show it well, but the place where they stayed on the other side of the Island may have something to do with the hatch too, and it had the Dharma symbols too.

Quote from: MacGuffin on November 17, 2005, 12:30:04 AMInteresting how the Dharma symbol for the "tailies" was not the swan logo.  :ponder:

Notice too how Mr. Ecko stared at the Dharma symbol in the hatch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 28, 2005, 02:04:38 PM
just started watching this show and love it. about halfway through season 1, just a minor question i have that may have been answered, or else possibly not even worthy of a question, but anyway, in the episode when kate and sawyer find the u.s marshalls case in the lake with the waterfall, what is the case doing so far from the beach in that lake? and who are the dead people in the lake? passengers? were the chairs they were in airplane seats? couldn't tell. if they are from the plane, what was the u.s marshalls case doing under their seat, and not his, and how did they get launched so damn far?

maybe not important but this was kind of bothering me. great show, anyhow. neet to finish season 1 and download season 2 to catch up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on November 28, 2005, 05:39:04 PM
i just assumed the case was under their seats because you put your shit under the seat in front of you and they must have been the people kate and the marshal were sitting behind.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 29, 2005, 12:41:25 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 29, 2005, 02:21:41 AM
Quote from: Ultrahip Lobster Supper on November 29, 2005, 12:41:25 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.

The plane broke in half in midair and continued to travel a ways before the actual crash.  It makes sense that a lot of stuff fell onto the island before the bulk of the plane actually went down.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 29, 2005, 08:40:47 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 29, 2005, 02:21:41 AM
Quote from: Ultrahip Lobster Supper on November 29, 2005, 12:41:25 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.

The plane broke in half in midair and continued to travel a ways before the actual crash.  It makes sense that a lot of stuff fell onto the island before the bulk of the plane actually went down.

and remember that jack was tossed way out into the jungle and when he woke up he had to run to the crash site, so its not all that crazy to believe that the luggage could have also drifted into that lagoon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 29, 2005, 09:15:45 AM
fair enough. i'm satisfied for now, but maybe look for a larger, more compelling answer to this problem somehwere in season 3.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 30, 2005, 09:05:44 PM
What an awesome ending, too bad there is not a new one till 06
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 30, 2005, 09:09:19 PM
fuck are you serious?

good episode, though nothing except daddy issues with Kate that was new.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 30, 2005, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: Gamblour on November 30, 2005, 09:09:19 PM
fuck are you serious?

scheduled for jan 11
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on November 30, 2005, 09:25:28 PM
SPOILERS:  as soon as i saw the "hello" typed I knew it would be walt.  still a kick ass way to end the episode.  any ideas on the missing part of the video?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 30, 2005, 09:54:19 PM
Goddamn that was a good episode.  I'll say more about it later i'm still pondering it.



SO its really not on again til January? wtf?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 30, 2005, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: JimmyGator on November 30, 2005, 09:25:28 PM
SPOILERS:  as soon as i saw the "hello" typed I knew it would be walt.  still a kick ass way to end the episode.  any ideas on the missing part of the video?
SPOILERS
not only did i call it would be walt but i also said the words "dad.  question mark." before they came up.  do i write for this show or what?  and the jack/kate kiss i've been waiting a season and a half for was underscored with some unsettling music.  troubling.  i cant believe i have to wait till NEXT YEAR for new episodes!?!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 01, 2005, 12:21:38 AM
Quote from: edison on November 29, 2005, 08:40:47 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 29, 2005, 02:21:41 AM
Quote from: Ultrahip Lobster Supper on November 29, 2005, 12:41:25 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.

The plane broke in half in midair and continued to travel a ways before the actual crash.  It makes sense that a lot of stuff fell onto the island before the bulk of the plane actually went down.

and remember that jack was tossed way out into the jungle and when he woke up he had to run to the crash site, so its not all that crazy to believe that the luggage could have also drifted into that lagoon.

Just to add, Charlie's guitar was found far away from the crash site too.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 01, 2005, 01:02:18 AM
It's been almost what, 50 days, and those strings haven't broke yet? maybe he had spares, but i doubt it. have we discussed how much drive shaft sucked when they showed them? it was the worst brand of pop rock ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 01, 2005, 01:26:00 AM
Quote from: Gamblour on December 01, 2005, 01:02:18 AMhave we discussed how much drive shaft sucked when they showed them? it was the worst brand of pop rock ever.

That's why they were in the One Hit Wonder section of the record store that Hurley went to after he quit his job.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 01, 2005, 09:08:36 AM
ah good point.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 01, 2005, 10:35:47 AM
Quote from: Gamblour on December 01, 2005, 01:02:18 AM
It's been almost what, 50 days, and those strings haven't broke yet? maybe he had spares, but i doubt it. have we discussed how much drive shaft sucked when they showed them? it was the worst brand of pop rock ever.

I still prefer them to Nickelback.




And has anyone noticed the vague similarities between Kate and Hitchcock's Marnie?

SPOILERS FOR BOTH

Man issues
Mothers hate them despite their efforts to help them
Use their looks to facilitate theft
Killed men who hurt their mothers

Maybe I'm slightly stretching (though the Bernard Hermann-esque Kate theme doesn't help) but that had to be an influence.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2005, 09:03:24 AM
Why, God, why wasn't it a charge that would get her kicked off the show like that Desperate Housewives guy?:

Two 'Lost' Stars Charged With DUI

HONOLULU - Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros, who star on ABC's "Lost," were arrested within 15 minutes of each other in Kailua for allegedly driving under the influence of an intoxicant.

Both failed field sobriety tests and were released Thursday on $500 bail each, police said. The actresses, who were in separate cars, were arrested after their vehicles were spotted weaving on Pali Highway, which connects Kailua and Honolulu, police said.

Watros, who portrays Libby on "Lost," was arrested at 12:05 a.m. Rodriguez, who plays Ana Lucia, was arrested at 12:20 a.m., according to police records. Rodriguez was booked under the name Mayte Michelle Rodriguez.

Calls placed by The Associated Press after business hours seeking comment from "Lost" spokesman Jeff Fordis weren't immediately returned.

Rodriguez, 27, and Watros, 37, were to appear at a driver's license revocation hearing at Kaneohe District Court on Dec. 29, police records showed.

Motorists arrested for operating a vehicle under the influence of an intoxicant automatically have their driver's licenses revoked. They are given a temporary license that allows them to drive, but under several restrictions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 02, 2005, 11:50:19 AM
See what happens?  Goddamn tail section doesn't know how to act. 

Too bad it wasn't Damon Lindelof or one of the producers... the cops could have got a plea deal going where the license would be reinstated in exchange for writing Michelle Rodriguez off the show.

If it hasn't been said before, I'm saying it now:  Ana-Lucia is the Jar-Jar Binks of Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on December 02, 2005, 12:09:49 PM
Everyone STOP bitching at Ana Lucia... you sound like a bunch of pussies... she is ONE character on a show tha has like 12 main characters and where there is so much going on more than her... Everyone hated Sawyer at the beginning, or many other characters at the beginning when you didnt know them... now Ana Lucia is not the best character, and Michelle Rodriguez is not the best actress, but give her a frickin break.

Instead of talking about her, why dont you tell me how the fuck Walt is running wet around the jungle and he managed to find a chat room? Thats freaky.

It was so cool when Kate finally said everything and Sawyer woke up and heard her... well done... and the tension between those 3 is gonna get interesting over the next episodes...

Fuck ABC and their 1 month + hiatus on Lost... I need to see whats going on!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2005, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: andyk on December 02, 2005, 12:09:49 PMEveryone STOP bitching at Ana Lucia... you sound like a bunch of pussies... she is ONE character on a show tha has like 12 main characters and where there is so much going on more than her... Everyone hated Sawyer at the beginning, or many other characters at the beginning when you didnt know them... now Ana Lucia is not the best character, and Michelle Rodriguez is not the best actress, but give her a frickin break.

Sawyer - who you loved to hate; you can understand Kate's attraction to and repulsion of him; he has personality
Ana Lucia - you just hate; you cannot understand what Jack (will) see in her; she has no other face than mad (character and "actress")

That's the difference.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 02, 2005, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: andyk on December 02, 2005, 12:09:49 PMEveryone STOP bitching at Ana Lucia... you sound like a bunch of pussies... she is ONE character on a show tha has like 12 main characters and where there is so much going on more than her... Everyone hated Sawyer at the beginning, or many other characters at the beginning when you didnt know them... now Ana Lucia is not the best character, and Michelle Rodriguez is not the best actress, but give her a frickin break.

we sound like a bunch of pussies?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on December 03, 2005, 01:07:42 PM
Its mugshot time....SMILE!


]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html%5B/b)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 11, 2006, 10:14:27 AM
NEW EPISODE TONIGHT!!!

And I thought I'd share something 2 friends of mine (who just finished watching Season 1 last week and came over this weekend to watch season 2 which I have on DVR) wrote over the weekend.  All of the research is, as far as they know, accurate, except for what's obviously not.


Shakespeare and "Lost": Written in the Numbers
By Drs. Adam B. Hunault and Teresa A. Jusino
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The Tempest, like "Lost", takes place on an island.  Coincidence?  We think not!  As The Tempest begins, there are 4 characters stranded on this island.  After the shipwreck, there are 15 total named characters that end up on the island...
   
William Shakespeare, author of The Tempest, lived from the 1500s to the 1600s – he was born on 4/23/1564.  He was one of 8 children.  He was the eldest son, and his youngest brother was born 16 years later.  He married Anne Hathaway, who was 8 years his senior.  She has 4 letters in her first name and 8 in her last name.  Shakespeare died on 4/23/1616, but his work wasn't assembled until the first folio, published in 1623.  Shakespeare's mother died in 1608 and his wife in 1623.
   
Shakespeare's lifelong relationship with the mysterious "Lost" numbers doesn't end there.  During his career, he wrote plays in 4 major categories (tragedies, comedies, histories and romances), as well as 154 sonnets of 16 lines each. 
   
Shakespeare's first play was probably Titus Andronicus – this 15 letter title is the earliest instance of Shakespeare referencing "Lost" numbers in his work.  The Bard went on to write six plays with 4 word titles, as well as 4 plays named after a pair of characters, e.g. Romeo and Juliet, (4 x two = 8).  Of all of Shakespeare's plays, 4 dealt with the Roman Empire, while 8 more take place in the Italian Renaissance.
   
In his histories, which were among his earlier plays, Shakespeare had not yet achieved the sophistication necessary to cleverly conceal his "Lost" numbers.  There were 8 major histories, often divided into two "cycles" of 4 plays each.  Shakespeare clearly drew his inspiration from the "Lost" numbers on the first of these cycles (Richard II, 1 Henry IV, 2 Henry IV and Henry V – 2+4+4+5=15), while the influence of "Lost" numbers is obvious in his decision to write about Henry IV (4) and Henry VIII (8).  The most famous of characters in the histories is Sir John Falstaff, who has 4 letters in his first name and 8 letters in his last name; the character appears or is mentioned in 4 plays.  Arguably the most famous line in all the histories in King Henry's exhortation "Once more unto the breach, dear friends!" which appears in Henry V, act III scene 1, (3+1=4).
   
The comedies are by far the most fertile source of "Lost" numbers in Shakespeare.  Shakespeare's most memorable comedic heroes, Beatrice and Benedict from Much Ado About Nothing, each have 8 letters in their name, a sum that their union at the end of the play brings to 16.  Shakespeare's comedies famously end in marriage – 4 people get married at the end of The Taming of the Shrew and at the end of Midsummer Night's Dream, while Shakespeare's personal best was undoubtedly the 8 characters who got married at the end of As You Like It (a total of 4 marriages).  One comedy that did not end in marriage was The Merry Wives of Windsor, but it nonetheless featured a "love square" of 4 characters formed by Falstaff and the three titular wives, while the mischief in The Comedy of Errors revolves around two sets of twins (2x2=4).   The title character of The Taming of the Shrew is Kate, who has a 4 letter name, and who may have been named after the character on "Lost."  Historians differ on this point, but the inclusion of characters named Kate or Katherine in 4 plays (Shrew, 1 Henry IV, 2 Henry IV, Henry V) seems to bear out the theory of Shakespeare's fascination with this instance of the "dark lady" archetype. 
   
In his tragedies, Shakespeare mainly used "Lost" numbers in Hamlet.  That play's iconic "To be or not to be" soliloquy occurs in Act 3, scene 1, (3+1=4).  Hamlet is often noted for its extreme pathos:  8 characters meet a violent end in the play (not including the Ghost, who dies before it begins).  However, traces of the "Lost" numbers also crop up in Romeo and Juliet, where Shakespeare gives more stage time to Romeo of the 8 lettered Montague family and his friend Mercutio (also 8 letters) than to Juliet, whose name cannot be linked to the "Lost" numbers.  More recently, Macbeth has been adapted into a film 42 times and, perhaps not coincidentally, is widely reputed to be cursed.
   
Shakespeare's least understood plays are the enigmatic "problem plays," or romances.  There are 4 of these plays.  In addition to The Tempest, which bears a clear resemblance to the premise of "Lost," the baby Perdita who was at the center of the action in A Winter's Tale is believed dead for 16 years before she returns to Bohemia.  Perdita, in Spanish, translates to "little lost one."
   
However, Shakespeare's relationship with the acclaimed television drama doesn't end with his use of the numbers.  Through his writing, he was trying to depict the struggle between science and faith, which was done with greater success through the characters of Jack and John Locke on "Lost."  Shakespeare shows his inclination toward the Lockean ideal of a "state of nature" most clearly by virtue of the name "John" being the most used name in his plays, even naming one of them "King John."  He only uses the name Jack – with its French spelling, "Jacques" – once, and the speech given him, the "Seven Ages of Man" speech, is a defeatist one in which nature is an enemy to be fought against, otherwise we would fall victim to it and be left "sans everything."  Shakespeare's most popular character, Falstaff, is called both Jack and John at different times, which is fitting since he is his own worst enemy.
   
"Lost" has clearly influenced many famous writers besides Shakespeare—some obvious examples being the philosopher John Locke's "tabula rasa" clean slate theory and argument that human authority must bow to nature, or his French colleague Rousseau's "wild child" theory about children raised from infancy in the forest.   However, we will leave the study of these links to other teams of dedicated scholars.  For our purposes it suffices to point out the very clear influences of "Lost" on William Shakespeare's plays, some of the seminal works in the English language.  These influences have curiously been omitted from serious scholarship until recent years.


Dr. Adam Hunault is a renowned expert in Star Trek, specializing in the Original Series and how it relates to modern philosophy.  He earned his doctorate in Geekology in 2005 with a celebrated dissertation on Star Trek's "47 Conspiracy."  He currently teaches Advanced Buffy-verse Studies and chairs the Star Trek  Department at Harvard University.

Dr. Teresa Jusino is most well-known for her paper, "Hamlet: Early Prototype for Norman Bates?" and "Cordelia and Edgar: Only the Good Die Young?", which were delivered at New York University in 2000.  She earned her PhD in Shakespeare and Pop Culture in 2001, and currently teaches a course in Firefly and the Modern World at Yale University.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 11, 2006, 02:27:33 PM
That seems very interesting, but I really dont know how much the writers took all that stuff in consideration for what they created. I think a lot of the stuff that happens, like where the numbers come from, or WHY those numbers dont have explanation. There are so many theories and stuff I read online, its amazing how it relates to so many different things. The whole thing is so out there that it kinda makes sense. I dont know... but I'm excited about new episodes returning tonight!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on January 11, 2006, 02:49:02 PM
Ugh... I hate that kind of numerology shit... anything and everything can be connected by numbers because everything is made up of numbers and there's really only ten of them.

Kudos to your friends for liking Lost enough to connect it to something random like that.

Can't wait for the new episode(s) tonight... is the first one going to be a recap or rerun do we really get two?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 11, 2006, 03:35:48 PM
Nah, I think its a recap of the first 48 days for EVERYONE... and a new episode after that!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 12, 2006, 12:08:40 AM
Great story-centered episode. Not much emotion, but some great plot going on. The smoke....man. My friends, fairly unfamiliar with the show, thought it looked horrible. I let it slide.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on January 12, 2006, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: Gamblour on January 12, 2006, 12:08:40 AM
Great story-centered episode. Not much emotion, but some great plot going on. The smoke....man. My friends, fairly unfamiliar with the show, thought it looked horrible. I let it slide.
Yeah, it's too bad TV shows don't have enough time or money to produce good CGI.

I thought it was a pretty emotional episode.  The flashback story had a lot of emotion.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 12, 2006, 07:56:21 AM
Little by little they make another connection, and they explain little things we are carrying from the beginning, which is good... The Mr. Ecko story was very good, and unexpected. They still have to show the reason why he also ends up on the Island. I just want to see more Locke, which I think after the previews for next week, we will.

The episode was very good, great way to come back and make people get excited again!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 12, 2006, 09:28:26 AM
Best episode of the season so far.  I might even be inclined to put it up there with Walkabout from season 1, maybe not for pure emotion but Eko's past is almost as interesting as the island.  As much care as they've put into his backstory, they're definitely going to have him and Locke get in a tussle somewhere along the way.

And SOMEBODY watched City of God before directing this episode...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 12, 2006, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: kurtzsparrow on January 12, 2006, 09:28:26 AM
And SOMEBODY watched City of God before directing this episode...

Explain...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 12, 2006, 09:59:53 PM
i thought of that too during the opening minutes.  not directed anywhere near as kinetically but my mind still went to City Of God. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 12, 2006, 10:46:38 PM
Just cause of the kids playing soccer in a "favela"? And guns and shit like that in the middle?

You guys need to leave your country for a bit...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 13, 2006, 04:20:23 AM
Quote from: kal on January 12, 2006, 10:46:38 PM
You guys need to leave your country for a bit...

What's that? Are you being condescending? I must have missed the kids playing soccer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 13, 2006, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: kal on January 12, 2006, 10:46:38 PM
Just cause of the kids playing soccer in a "favela"? And guns and shit like that in the middle?

You guys need to leave your country for a bit...


So ALL countries except for the US are color-corrected a little yellow like Brazil and Nigeria seem to be?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 13, 2006, 02:25:13 PM
Believe it or not... many of them are. Especially in areas like that, where you have the people living in very dry areas with no water and in some cases no power. I can see the similarity if you have only seen it on City of God, but really its like saying that the writers also saw The Beach or Castaway before writing Lost. It doesnt mean anything if you've seen many places like that in your life.

And I also meant it cause they are playing soccer, barefoot, etc... which is a very common thing in those places and in most poor villages around the world... they usually dont play football or baseball
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 13, 2006, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: kal on January 13, 2006, 02:25:13 PM
I can see the similarity if you have only seen it on City of God, but really its like saying that the writers also saw The Beach or Castaway before writing Lost.

The City of God comparison had not only to do with the yellow tint and the soccer but that a ganglord puts a gun in a 6-year-old's hand and tries to make him kill someone.  Looking at all those and the fact that the writing and producing staff on Lost are big pop culture geeks, that City of God comparison isn't really that uninformed.  I can see why you would say I need to get out of my own country more often but that's like saying we need to see more movies because Kate's backstory and Hermann-esque music reminds me of Hitchcock.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 19, 2006, 02:20:03 AM
Great episode tonight.  This season is starting to build towards something amazing.

Best last line ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 19, 2006, 08:13:15 AM
Quote from: polkablues on January 19, 2006, 02:20:03 AM
Best last line ever.

So true, sucky flashback and a lame reason for the marriage split but that confrontation scene and the last line saved this episode
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 19, 2006, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: edison on January 19, 2006, 08:13:15 AM
sucky flashback and a lame reason for the marriage split

Jack should have at least taken a sledgehammer to her spine.  "You're leaving me?  Well, I'm taking back the use of your legs, you ungrateful bitch!"  CRACK!!!

And it should all have been set to Coldplay's "Fix You."



Quote from: polkablues on January 19, 2006, 02:20:03 AM
Great episode tonight. This season is starting to build towards something amazing.

Best last line ever.

I haven't been that pumped by the end of an episode since the Numbers ep.  They've turned a corner here.  Shit is gonna go DOWN!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 19, 2006, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on January 19, 2006, 09:42:37 AM
They've turned a corner here.  Shit is gonna go DOWN!

but by the way this show goes, we probably wont see anything more about the "army" comment till like another 3-4 episodes, with 2-3 weeks of repeats in between. they love to throw shit out there and then do nothing about it. but yeah, when it finally does get going this should be an awesome season finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 19, 2006, 10:03:31 AM
I... umm... I didn't say all that.  I agree... but I didn't say that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on January 19, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
if you ask me that was the best flashback of the season.  jack is most interesting character.    best episode yet.  so much was awesome about it i don't know where to begin.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 19, 2006, 12:32:01 PM
i thought it was the first lackluster episode of the entire series.  and i love jack but the writing just wasnt up to par.  the story and bits of info to be dispersed werent bad but the execution and whole rhythm of the show was off.  from the opening minutes till the end.  michael putting jack in the room in the opening minutes was a weird way to start the episode, like 'where did that come from?' not like 40 minutse of building and THEN you can see him being driven to that.  and then they were like 'i hope sawyer gets his bandage changed' which i thought was a good line but then cut to sawyer and kate 'i think you need your bandage changed'.  jack goes crazy rogue without giving much reason for it, seemed out of character and nothing had just driven him to that except kate's disskiss and getting locked in the room.  his meeting with the others was also totally anticlimactic and he was TOTALLY unreasonable.  they were like 'lets talk' and he was like 'no, let me find michael' not like 'okay yeah.  first question: where is michael?  why are you taking our dudes?  whats with the hatch?  why are you here?  why are you letting us live here?  can we all live together peacefully?  we'll come to you or you come to us.  why is walt special?  whats going on?' you know like A THOUSAND FUCKING REASONABLE QUESTIONS TO ASK and he doesnt want to talk.  RIDICULOUS and worst: out of CHARACTER.  the last line was great, but as someone elsewhere proposed "shouldn't he be asking sayid about training an army?"   and i still hate the idea of kate with sawyer and jack with ana-lucia.  but jack and kate will be together someday, i know in my heart...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on January 19, 2006, 12:47:41 PM
i think it was in character.  the whole theme of the episode was he is constantly trying to fix something.   he needed to fix the situation with michael to verify that he is a "miracle worker."  that's why he came up with the idea of starting an army.   it was frustrating that he didn't get anything accomplished with the others, but i think it only builds more suspense in the minds of the viewers. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 19, 2006, 01:10:15 PM
I have to agree with modage on every point except that it was a lackluster episode.  There wasn't much good dialogue but the Others still made up for it, even if Jack should have asked better questions.  A friend of mine and I came to the conclusion that the last episode is going to be Jack asking the others to help them get off the island and the others say, "Yeah, sure. All you had to do was ask."  And they'll pull out a yacht made of titanium with a full tank of gas.

Jack should definitely have talked to Sayid about this instead of that miscast hose beast... hopefully Michelle Rodriguez has to do time for that DUI and gets written off the show.

Also, they should have taken Eko with them to find Michael.  At first I thought maybe it was because they didn't entirely trust any of the tail section but then Jack starts talking to Shooter McGavin over there about building an army so... maybe it was a racial thing.   :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 19, 2006, 02:01:08 PM
Was it me, or did M.C. Gainey look like Mr. Heatmiser from A Year Without A Santa Claus?

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.houseofplum.com%2Fgallery%2Fheatmiser.jpg&hash=46be71e0fb64d755c70f00b76335eb7cf8c6cfd2)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 19, 2006, 03:18:53 PM
But i dont think anyone really wants to bother sayid just yet because he lost his girl like what a day or two ago?

....but then all the more reason to ask him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 19, 2006, 08:06:22 PM
Yeah... remember everything happens in only a few days... thats maybe a reason why Sawyer had too much energy after being almost dead two days ago. But Sayid was still grieving and feeling very depressed... and Jack probably knew that asking a question like that to him or Ecko would start a new discussion and problem... Ana Lucia has nothing, so she cant refuse to help him.

I liked the episode... I also wanted them to ask so many other questions to "The Others", but the situation was so strange I guess at that point they just wanted to get our of there alive. When you look at it from outside its very easy to be rational and smart, but it wouldnt be smart for the writers to make them seem so cool in that situation.

Hurley trying to score will be a very interesting and funny adition to the storyline. And Locke calling Sawyer James at the end was just funny...

I liked Julie Bowen, not anymore. Ungrateful bitch!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 25, 2006, 08:10:48 PM
mod is right.

and the new episode SUCKED
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 25, 2006, 09:42:27 PM
well i went on record to say that last week was the only lackluster episode of the series, but this weeks was worse.  i don't like what they're doing with their characters.  they're creating conflicts because they realized that now that all the original survivors get along and the tailies are integrated (which was the whole drama of the first half of this season, getting everyone back together and meeting the new people) they have no drama.  so they're trying to stir up drama's but it feels completely false.  after everything the've told us about these characters to have them do things that are so OUT OF CHARACTER is one of the worst things a show can do.  (alias in the later seasons was a big offender in this category).  i dont believe for a second that charlie would act so crazy or locke would be so irrational or etc. etc. etc..  conflict is fine, but it doesnt seem to be growing organically, it seems forced.  and the flashback was sort of pointless.  i hope they get back to greatness next week and these two episodes are not the beginning of the shows decline.  it's too soon!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 25, 2006, 11:52:36 PM
drive shaft was in diapers. i mean my god.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 26, 2006, 02:20:16 AM
It was just weird.  An entire episode with, quite literally, no narrative development. 

It's like in the early days of animation, where they'd have the main artists draw the frames that show the big movements of the characters, and then the low-paid interns would draw the "in between" frames to fill in the motion.  This episode was like an "in between" frame.

The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby.  Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was.   :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 26, 2006, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: polkablues on January 26, 2006, 02:20:16 AM
The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby.  Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was.   :ponder:

I agree, though I can't separate that actress from her DUI photo. She was supposed to be, and kinda was, really hot but it didn't reach its full potential. Rodriquez is still pug fugly.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 26, 2006, 09:45:37 AM
Quote from: modage on January 25, 2006, 09:42:27 PM
well i went on record to say that last week was the only lackluster episode of the series, but this weeks was worse.  i don't like what they're doing with their characters.  they're creating conflicts because they realized that now that all the original survivors get along and the tailies are integrated (which was the whole drama of the first half of this season, getting everyone back together and meeting the new people) they have no drama.  so they're trying to stir up drama's but it feels completely false.  after everything the've told us about these characters to have them do things that are so OUT OF CHARACTER is one of the worst things a show can do.  (alias in the later seasons was a big offender in this category).  i dont believe for a second that charlie would act so crazy or locke would be so irrational or etc. etc. etc..  conflict is fine, but it doesnt seem to be growing organically, it seems forced.  and the flashback was sort of pointless.  i hope they get back to greatness next week and these two episodes are not the beginning of the shows decline.  it's too soon!

It's too soon to start worrying about the show's overall quality.  It seems like they only have half a season's worth of plot that they're padding out to fit a whole season but there's no way for us to tell yet if any of this is going to factor into some major shit later on in this season or even in the next one.  The Sun/Jin flashback episode from earlier in the season was some hardcore padding too.  I didn't like the episode when it first ran but looking back on it, it was great... but there was nothing to advance their story nor what was going on on the island that they couldn't have stuck into other episodes.  Last night's was like that too but if what I have been waiting for to happen happens, then this episode will be a pretty big turning point in some respects. 

Quote from: Gamblour on January 26, 2006, 08:23:47 AM
Rodriquez is still pug fugly.

But it was the first time she didn't make me want to take a sledgehammer to her face.  She was almost... endearing.  Almost.

Quote from: polkablues on January 26, 2006, 02:20:16 AM
The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby. Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was. :ponder:

POSSIBLE SPOILER

After last week's commercial for this week, I thought to myself when Hurley says "Have we met before?", that Libby was IN the psych ward as a patient.  Couple that with a theory my girlfriend heard (from where, I don't know) that Libby is a pathological liar and there you are.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 26, 2006, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: edison on January 19, 2006, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on January 19, 2006, 09:42:37 AM
They've turned a corner here.  Shit is gonna go DOWN!

but by the way this show goes, we probably wont see anything more about the "army" comment till like another 3-4 episodes, with 2-3 weeks of repeats in between.

I knew it

Quote from: modage on January 25, 2006, 09:42:27 PM
i hope they get back to greatness next week

Hate to rain on your parade but the next new episode is in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 26, 2006, 06:07:12 PM
see, but it's not the padding i mind.  in fact, as long as it's GOOD padding i much prefer it to the characters acting completely OUT of character for drama's sake which is mostly what has bugged me about the last two episodes.   let jack and kate go golfing or jin and sun have a flashback, it's all good.  just dont let them come face to face with the others and NOT ASK a single question.  thats bad writing.
Quote from: Gamblour on January 26, 2006, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: polkablues on January 26, 2006, 02:20:16 AM
The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby.  Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was.   :ponder:

I agree, though I can't separate that actress from her DUI photo. She was supposed to be, and kinda was, really hot but it didn't reach its full potential. Rodriquez is still pug fugly.
me too!  it's TERRIBLE.  i cannot NOT think of that photo EVERY TIME i see her.  i told my girlfriend about it but then said she could never see it.  its detracting from the show for me.  rodriguez looks the same as when i see her on the show: HATE. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 27, 2006, 08:05:40 PM
Yeah this episode was pretty bad... I just came back from a trip and sat down very happy cause I was watching Lost and the Episode 100 of Smallville... and they ruined my fucking friday... I think I'm going out now just to get it out of my head.

With Charlie I just think its pointless to keep explaining his story... it was clear with the first flashback and the brother... no need for this. He reminds me of MERRY all the time and I so far I dont think he brought anything good to the people in the Island... so I dont really care for him.

What bothers me the most is that it seemed like last week's epsiode didnt happen... nobody really discussed it and nothing new happened. Its one of those episodes that you can skip and there is nooo problem.

Hope they go back to the good stuff next week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 27, 2006, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: kal on January 27, 2006, 08:05:40 PM
Hope they go back to the good stuff next week.
Hate to rain on your parade but the next new episode is in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 27, 2006, 09:08:44 PM
damnit

I hate TV, there is nothing!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rudie Obias on January 29, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
darren aronofsky is directing an episode during the may sweeps!!!  i just read that in the new issue of lost magazine.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 29, 2006, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: rudiecorexxx on January 29, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
darren aronofsky is directing an episode during the may sweeps!!!  i just read that in the new issue of lost magazine.

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=8258.0
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 08, 2006, 09:33:14 PM
well, this was another terrible episode, no?  the past 2 have been terrible.  i now definitley see what your saying mod.  everything about tonight was so contrived.   the one really nice moment was when moonlight sonata was playing.  but i think they're ruining the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2006, 09:40:17 PM
yes, and it KILLS ME TO SAY IT, but it was utter shit.  save for hurley and sayids moments together, kate confronting sawyer and the reveal at the end atleast sets things up for real drama even if they had to make EVERY character act COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER to do it.  3 in a row, i'm worried REALLY REALLY WORRIED it might never come back.  jack, kate, sawyer, locke, charlie = nobody acting how they would reasonably act.  and save for the reveal of sawyers accomplice everything was completely predictable. 

why would locke need to babysit charlie?  first season he left it up to free will and fate and now he has to take things away from him and embarrass him?  why is jack so irrational and gung ho about getting to the guns?  how could locke fall for sawyer?  why in gods name would sawyer do ANYTHING like this?  'he's bad.'  i dont think so.  he hasnt been bad for a long time.  and the way he was taunting jack like some kind of schoolyard bully was awful.  in the first season he and jack clashed because of their personalities.  and sawyer has been pretty cool and likable for a long time.  why did he feel the need to flip out?  he won kate and jack had recently saved his life.  why all the hate?  'they're running the place now and i dont like being bossed around'.  i dont buy it for a second.  thats the writers lazily creating conflict where one had worn away.  and charlie doing what he's done has put him over the deep end of unforgivable.  its not in his character AT ALL, but neither was the way locke treated him.  still, even if he wanted to get locke back there is no way in fuck he would do something to sun like that who was a complete innocent.  never.  the writers have just created hate for those two because they needed it and i dont know if i can forgive them for that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on February 09, 2006, 12:13:05 AM
i liked this episode a better than last week's. i keep telling myself that maybe sawyer did this because he doesnt want people to run around shooting everything that moves. and i can understand charlie getting desperate like that. he seems childish like that. the way his big brother constantly brushed him aside makes it seem possible that he's tired of being treated like that. the only one who is pissing me off is Locke. he's acting way out of character and I can't even make up some outlandish desperate explanation for him. the preview for next week looked more promising.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 09, 2006, 12:30:30 PM
I liked this episode, way more entertaining than last weeks borefest, but I knew that last week was set up for something. With that mention of how Sawyer is acting out of character by turning all bad-ass all of a sudden, I believe that all these episodes of him being "good" was him really being out of character and he is plain and simple a bad guy who doesn't like to be messed with. Remember he killed that guy in Australia who begged for mercy and while he may have really liked Kim Dickens he still could have run off with her but opted to take her money. There is no way his Sherriff role can last for long, all they have to do is get anna-lucia to kick his ass all over the island and off one of the many cliffs like she did when she first met him. Liked Hurleys line about "when are we" clearly a stab at all the talk about theories of when the show is taking place. Next week looks pretty exciting but doesn't every episode look that way when it comes to previews?

Fun Info:
Kate's mom was he waitress when sawyer had his meeting with his partner
The screenplay Hurley is reading will soon be released as an actual novel
Author of Occurrence at Owl Creek bridge went missing in Mexico
Glen Miller, who composed the song at the end, also went missing during WW2 over the English channel
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 09, 2006, 01:01:36 PM
Mod is overreacting again.
There were some stretches here for sure (mainly Locke believing Sawyer so quickly and Jack getting so gun-crazy), but I think everyone is missing the point of Sawyer's flashbacks.  Sawyer's doing this because he was getting too attached.  He can't deal with being attached to anyone as shown in the flashback.

anyway, it was better than the last one, for sure.  I think they're just reestablishing relationships and having to do it in an akward way.. that's what happens with television shows.  I still have some faith.  It won't get bad until at least season 3 and it won't be horrible until the end of 4 or beginning of 5.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 09, 2006, 02:01:53 PM
They're building up to something.  That moment when Locke says "Will you help me?" to Sawyer, he meant more than "Will you help me move the guns?"  You could see it in his eyes; there was more to that statement than that.  Something big is definitely happening. 

One of my friends had the exact same reaction as mod, to which I told her that she's not entirely wrong.  This season, while I have had no major complaints with it, isn't as spectacular as season 1, but there's some great stuff just around the bend.  It's not like the show has gone in a COMPLETELY different direction (even taking into account Charlie, Locke, and Sawyer of late) or anything too ridiculous.  But right now, it's like how some Stephen King novels have 200 pages of everything you'd ever want in a suspense story at the beginning and 200 pages at the end, but in the middle, the characters are just running around like morons, biding their time until the supreme awesomeness of the end finally shows up.

I believe in them.  I think the writers/producers have learned enough from the Wachowski brothers to not make the same mistakes they made with Revolutions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 09, 2006, 11:58:07 PM
I also think they are building up to something big... I dont think they are stupid when they write this and I think they needed some of this nonsense to happen in order to get to where they really want to get for the season finale.

That being said, I loved the episode because I think Sawyer is one of the most interesting characters. And what he did today, as some of you mentioned, is acting exactly like himself. He had a rough time being shot and all that, but now he is strong again and he saw that while he was gone, things went out of hand. He used to have the stash with everything, and he used to be in control of his situation. Now, he came back and everything changed, so he needed to step up.

It was cool to see that the whole episode was going to that clash between Locke and Jack, and then it was Sawyer against everyone. And Charlie is just lost and stupid, and the more he says he doesnt want the heroin, the closer he will get to it.

Couldnt see the preview from next week (got the ep. on iTunes) but I'm sure it will get better and better. For me it's really the only show besides 24 where I think they really care about not fucking up their story and making the characters do what their personality really makes them do. And I think the quality of the writing is as good as ever... but having such a great first season is very hard to always be so great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 14, 2006, 12:23:34 AM
I thought the episode was good, I like Sawyer's position on top now, it's an interesting new dynamic. But the writing was pretty bad, eg the interrupting flashback at the end followed by "I guess I'm not a nice person". Great, we got it one million times before. Also the dialogue, "we're con artists, this is what we do." What a horrible line. but Sayid and Hurley had some awesome moments. And Charlie's bad episode was kinda validated.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 14, 2006, 09:38:43 AM
i think you guys are forgiving the show because you're trying to see where its going and not that it has to be terrible to get there.  i want it to get to a crazy interesting place too, i just wish they didnt have to go against all manner of logic and character development to do so.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 14, 2006, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: modage on February 14, 2006, 09:38:43 AM
i think you guys are forgiving the show because you're trying to see where its going and not that it has to be terrible to get there.  i want it to get to a crazy interesting place too, i just wish they didnt have to go against all manner of logic and character development to do so.

Of course we are, because we don't want to think that they might be full of shit and the season and a half that we've been invested in this show might have been a waste of time.  It's still too early to judge; we won't really get a clearer picture of where they're going until at least the season finale.  And everything going on is building up to the season finale, not the end of the show.  This finale, much more than the first finale, will make or break the show.  If they don't answer enough questions, at least half their audience will tune out for good and that will kill it.  The plus side is, I think the writers know this.  Of course, I'll be pissed if the season finale turns the show in a shitty direction.

All in all, it could be a lot worse than it is.  I'm about to give up on this season of 24 because it's really been nothing but cut-and-paste of the previous 4 seasons from the get-go.  David Fury writes one of the best hours of TV I've ever seen but can't get the writers of 24 to do something they haven't already done?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 14, 2006, 02:06:10 PM
Maybe the reason why this season is not so good...

Abrams Laments Missing 'Alias' Finale, 'Lost'
By Daniel Fienberg

Even when J.J. Abrams seems tired -- and at San Francisco's WonderCon, he arrives looking as if it's been weeks since his last night's sleep -- it's difficult to believe that he's approaching his 40th birthday later this year. Hearing Abrams confess that he only has so many hours in his days is even more striking.
Abrams is addressing a crowd of rabid devotees about "Mission: Impossible III," the high pressure, megabudget summer sequel that marks his feature directing debut. It's kind of a big deal for Paramount, but for the genre fans in attendance, it may pale in comparison to Abrams' ABC dramas "Alias" and "Lost." Unfortunately, for the past year or so, Abrams has been eating, drinking and breathing fireballs, high-tech gadgets and Tom Cruise. That commitment has caused his involvement on both shows to be seriously reduced.

"I wish I could take more credit for 'Lost' this year, but I can't," Abrams says, referring to the show's second season. "Everyone's like, 'I love 'Lost' this year!' and I'm like 'I had nothing to do with it!'"

It was during production on the "Lost" pilot that Cruise called Abrams and set "Mission: Impossible III" plans in motion. With the franchise sequel already running behind thanks to several director shifts, Cruise was ready to get rolling, but Abrams recognized his responsibilities to "Lost." He asked the most powerful actor in Hollywood for a one-year delay, which Cruise granted.

"I said to [co-creator Damon Lindelof], 'Look, this has come up' and he said, 'Dude, you've got to do it.' He was so cool about it," Abrams recalls. "I'm not just grateful that meeting Damon was sort of the catalyst for and the alchemy to create the pilot and series, but that he and Carlton Cuse really took all the reins to run the show this year. I've been perfectly involved this season, but I'm as much a fan of theirs as anything."

Abrams has more regrets about having to let go of his older series. After a five year run, "Alias" will go off the air this May. Unfortunately, the Jennifer Garner spy series will vanish at exactly the moment Abrams will be concentrating on launching a very different spy venture.

"I wanted to direct the last episode of 'Alias,' but I have to go on the international tour for this, so I won't get to do that, which is a very sort of heartbreaking idea that the show will end without me there," Abrams explains.

Even after hearing about the writer-director's divided attentions, one intrepid "Lost" viewer is still looking for answers.

"Is the island Jesus?" he asks.

Abrams does a double-take, pauses, smiles and plays along.

"Yes," he says.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 14, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
FUCK, he's not going to come back to finish Alias?!?  damnit.  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 14, 2006, 02:24:39 PM
Everyone I talked to seemed to think last weeks episode was the best/ so good.  I just hope xixax didn't bias my opinion of the show last week, but I don't think it did.  I tried to explain to people that they're completely manipulating the characters to create conflict.  People I argued with said, "But dude the flashbacks explain why there are acting like that!"  and while it's sort of true, i think that's the problem.   they're using the recent flashbacks to justify their erratic behavior.  if i remember correctly, the flashbacks use to be more of a way just to get to know the characters and wasn't tied to the eppisode nearly as much as it is now.  last week was a perfect example:  he would say something in the flashback and then he would say that same exact thing in the present time.    it's not like jack's recent behavior was foreshadowed at all up until his recent flashback episode.  it's not like he seemed like from the get go.  which makes it seem obvious, at least to me, that the recent conflicts are so contrived.  

and up until last weeks episode i told myself that they're just stalling until the good stuff.  i can't think that way anymore.  it seems like the whole future of the show is gonna grow from the last few weeks' contrivances.  which will really be a problem cause i just won't buy into what happens from here.  it's not like things are just gonna go back to the way there are.   i wanted to like the past few episodes, i really did, but i just don't think i can.  

someone talk some sense into me.  
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 15, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
well Lost is back on track and THANK GOD.  because seriously, at the beginning of the episode i was thinking 'you know, it may never come back at this point', but i'm just going to assume those episodes being off was a fluke and it wont happen again.  probably in the grand scale of things they wont be that noticable even (when speeding through the dvds without waiting weeks/months between episodes).  so yeah, tonites episode was completely great from beginning to end.  even having the awesome evil dude from Carnivale show up in Sayid's flashback helped through it over the edge of awesome.  i wish he actually had more to do, (an other perhaps?)  i see that they're trying to break everybody off into little sects and thats cool and the way it was done tonite was more reasonable.  everyones actions seemed justified and in character.  locke changing the lock on jack seemed reasonable because they've been clashing like hell recently AND he knew about jack trying to 'start an army' behind his back and confronted him about it.  good stuff.  Sayid losing it a little bit because A. he's a torturer and he knows how to get the info and if you're telling the truth and B. since his honey is dead he deserves a little freak out.  completely justified.  the little look that asshole gave when he got the door shut on him was creepy as hell too.  and jin blowing off sawyer, also good. small moment but yeah, everyone would hate him.  the only way he got hurley to go with him is through blackmail.  see, everything made sense.  so  :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup: to co-creators Lindelof and Cuse for writing this episode and getting the show back on track.  THANK GOD.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 16, 2006, 12:23:45 AM
The fucking frog nearly killed it.  Great episode (actually, unlike Mod, I thought they've been great ever since the Eko episode, not counting the Charlie mishap), but man... that fucking frog story....

Anyone notice that the army guy who asked Sayid if he had a wife and kids was Kate's dad?  It was a picture of her that he was looking at in the truck.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 16, 2006, 10:13:27 AM
yeah i noticed.  kate was totally young.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 16, 2006, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: modage on February 15, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
well Lost is back on track

Told ya.

Definitely best ep since Eko's flashback.

But what's Sayid's angle with Charlie?  "Have you forgotten?"  What's he getting at?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 16, 2006, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: modage on February 15, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
the awesome evil dude from Carnival show up in Sayid's flashback

You mean CLANCY FUCKING BROWN!!!!  Jesus, that was awesome...

also, the countdown getting past zero, did anybody else freak out?  I mean I knew they couldn't just let it go, but one the heiroglyphic things started showing up, I was really losing it.

Great episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on February 17, 2006, 05:24:46 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on February 16, 2006, 12:39:55 PM
also, the countdown getting past zero, did anybody else freak out?  I mean I knew they couldn't just let it go, but one the heiroglyphic things started showing up, I was really losing it.

that scene was such a tease. i got blue balls jsut from watching it. great episode though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on February 18, 2006, 07:26:00 PM


These gaps between new episodes are killing me!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 18, 2006, 08:46:33 PM
Loved the episode... but hated that they keep teasing on everything and there absolutely NO answers... thats the good thing about watching a show on DVD once its out... you can jump to the next episode, and the next...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2006, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: polkablues on February 16, 2006, 12:23:45 AMAnyone notice that the army guy who asked Sayid if he had a wife and kids was Kate's dad?  It was a picture of her that he was looking at in the truck.

More trivia:

The Other was named Henry Gale, same name as Dorothy's uncle in Wizard Of Oz. And was in a hot air balloon that The Wizard was going to take Dorothy home in.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 02, 2006, 12:49:37 PM
So, what... no review from mod telling us why this week's episode was on or off track?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 02, 2006, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 02, 2006, 12:49:37 PM
So, what... no review from mod telling us why this week's episode was on or off track?

Even mod has to admit that was the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series so far.  He just... he just has to.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 02, 2006, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 02, 2006, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 02, 2006, 12:49:37 PM
So, what... no review from mod telling us why this week's episode was on or off track?

Even mod has to admit that was the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series so far.  He just... he just has to.
good to hear.  i actually saw the Strokes last nite so i have not actually watched it yet though i did glance at my phone at 9:03 and go 'we're missing Lost right NOW'.  but i'll be sure to check in tonite with my thoughts!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 02, 2006, 04:20:51 PM
My guess is that you just set Mod up to be disapointed.

I agree that it was good episode though I was a little more into the last one than this.  This one just revealed a lot more than pretty much anything since the first handful of the season.

I wonder how much it's going to slow down now.  If sweeps weren't coming soon, I would say that it would be one more event-packed episode then slowness for a long while, but maybe it'll just be a whole bunch of shit happening then a big avalanche of information.

But yeah, this one: I like what they showed and what they set up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 03, 2006, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 02, 2006, 04:20:51 PM
My guess is that you just set Mod up to be disapointed.
nah, i dont treat each episode of lost like it's own film.  i dont really rank some over others or set myself up for disappointment. the only exception was it was always great until suddenly nobody acted reasonable and it wasnt, and now it's back.  so, that said tonite was great.  i liked (and was at first thrown by) having the flashbacks all take place on the island.  that could open the show up to going back on itself hundreds of times by showing what certain (unshown) characters were up to DURING the episodes you saw and still take place on the same timeline.  like this episode you didnt see Jin, Sayid, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie, etc. etc. etc. and every episode has tons of characters who arent in them so when the 'run out of' or want to switch it up they can just keep playing with the timeline of events since the crash.  which is really cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 09, 2006, 12:06:34 PM
No new episode last night?


Im out of town but I thought there was one...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on March 09, 2006, 02:03:13 PM
new one on the 22nd
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 09, 2006, 04:42:15 PM
That sucks...

No Lost, no Office, no Smallville... at least two hours of 24 this week...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 22, 2006, 04:35:14 PM
also, (not to be a total obsessive) but when henry gale gives the dimensions of his balloon, he gives the same exact dimensions as Steve Fosett's "Solo Spirit" balloon. the solo spirit was the first hot air balloon to make it around the world in 2002. 

check it out: http://solospirit.wustl.edu/flight.html#balloon

!!!!!SPOILER!!!!
also, before they throw henry in the locker, you can see a picture on the wall behind jack of a hot air balloon. based on this i figured that henry's story has to be bullshit. that is, until i saw this: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1282henryballoon5fu.jpg

sorry if i ruined it everyone
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on March 22, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on March 22, 2006, 04:35:14 PM
also, before they throw henry in the locker, you can see a picture on the wall behind jack of a hot air balloon. based on this i figured that henry's story has to be bullshit. that is, until i saw this: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1282henryballoon5fu.jpg

Beware to all....that link is a huge spoiler
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 22, 2006, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: edison on March 22, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on March 22, 2006, 04:35:14 PM
also, before they throw henry in the locker, you can see a picture on the wall behind jack of a hot air balloon. based on this i figured that henry's story has to be bullshit. that is, until i saw this: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1282henryballoon5fu.jpg

Beware to all....that link is a huge spoiler

seriously. i read his post first obviously, so yeah, thanks. fix your post diggler.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 23, 2006, 01:40:47 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.

You know me all too well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 23, 2006, 07:28:32 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.

It just goes to show you that they know their audience.



Sun is so getting kidnapped this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 23, 2006, 07:40:47 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on March 23, 2006, 07:28:32 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.
It just goes to show you that they know their audience.
yeah i feel like they were talking to the audience there. 

does anybody else think they're making charlie less and less likable so they can kill him off?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: modage on March 23, 2006, 07:40:47 AM
does anybody else think they're making charlie less and less likable so they can kill him off?

Maybe. 

Does anyone else feel like Kate's turned into the character who occasionally pops up to help people out with their domestic problems, then disappears for the rest of the episode?  Such a waste.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 23, 2006, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.

i think they're making a desperate attempt to build up her character before they kill her off. 

apologies to everyone who clicked on my link before. i fixed the post   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 23, 2006, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on March 23, 2006, 12:44:51 PMi think they're making a desperate attempt to build up her character before they kill her off. 

Wait. It that a spoiler, or wishful thinking?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 23, 2006, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 23, 2006, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on March 23, 2006, 12:44:51 PMi think they're making a desperate attempt to build up her character before they kill her off. 

Wait. It that a spoiler, or wishful thinking?


i sure as hell hope it's a spoiler.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 24, 2006, 12:20:22 AM
SPOILERS (also, beware 24 spoiler)

Of course I had to click on that, even though I didnt want to. I still have my doubts about it. But based on next weeks description of the episode, I think Henry will have a big part (check the ABC website for that) and will definitely help Locke and Jack. The end, where he gives his theory of 'what could happen if it was a trap' was excellent... hope it would be true.

Somebody will definetly die before the end of the season, and I also think Charlie has the lucky number. He is boring anyways, and they already killed one of the hobbits (on a different show) so they just may kill this one too.

I wish Kate and Hurley had more screen time. Although Kate and Sawyer will probably play a big part during May sweeps, and Hurley always has his 60 seconds of comedy in every episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 24, 2006, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: kal on March 24, 2006, 12:20:22 AM
they already killed one of the hobbits (on a different show) so they just may kill this one too.

If that's the case, then Elijah Wood had better not be on Conan anytime soon.   :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 29, 2006, 09:05:17 PM
wow i really liked it tonight. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 30, 2006, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: JimmyGator on March 29, 2006, 09:05:17 PM
wow i really liked it tonight. 

Yeah... good stuff.  For one of the few times this season, I'm very excited and anxious for next week.

SORT OF SPOILERY STUFF (but not really)

Good batch of easter eggs in this ep, too: the woman whose house Locke was inspecting was Sayid's torture-girlfriend from Iraq, and I'm just about 100% convinced that Locke's dad is the "real" Sawyer, the one who conned Sawyer's parents when he was a kid.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 30, 2006, 09:03:56 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 30, 2006, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: JimmyGator on March 29, 2006, 09:05:17 PM
wow i really liked it tonight. 

Yeah... good stuff.  For one of the few times this season, I'm very excited and anxious for next week.

SORT OF SPOILERY STUFF (but not really)

Good batch of easter eggs in this ep, too: the woman whose house Locke was inspecting was Sayid's torture-girlfriend from Iraq, and I'm just about 100% convinced that Locke's dad is the "real" Sawyer, the one who conned Sawyer's parents when he was a kid.


MORE SPOILERY STUFF


WE KNOW WHERE THE FOOD COMES FROM!!!! (sort of) :multi:

I was disappointed about one thing: I had heard we would see what put Locke in the wheelchair last night.  Up until the end of the last flashback when Helen rejects his proposal, I kept saying, "OK, those guys are going to shoot Locke in the spine."  "Locke is going to run out into traffic after her car and get hit."  "Blue ice from the planes overhead will crush his lower back."  But nothing.

It's looking like Locke's dad is the real Sawyer but for that reason, I hope they don't do it.  He's the ONLY other con artist we've seen on the show.  Besides, how would that information be useful to Sawyer on the island?  I would only think it would prove itself important once they get off the island (if that is to happen), when Sawyer can go and find Locke's dad, and that's IF he decides to after shooting the wrong guy in Australia, which we know he has feelings of guilt over.  And Locke's dad/real Sawyer is too important to both of their backstories for it to just be another Magnolia moment for the audience like Locke and Nadia's overlap.

But could anyone make sense of what the announcement was saying?  I think the lockdown has to do with the food delivery and a friend of mine made the connection that the map might be showing how to get to the food, at least that's part of it.  I initially thought that the map was an escape route in case the numbers weren't put in but the blast doors don't come down if the numbers aren't put in so both those conditions would have to be met. 

I don't even know.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 31, 2006, 12:41:36 PM
SPOILERS

That was a good episode.

The map on the wall looked to me like a map of where all of the hatches on the island are maybe.

Ok, I had the episode downloaded so I paused it and it definitely is a diagram of the hatches. There's a big circle in the middle with a question mark in it surrounde by 6 hatches. They all have their symbols drawn on them. And then whoever wrote the map wrote "I AM HERE" next to the swan hatch.

Look (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9564/vlcsnap130179322pm.png)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 31, 2006, 02:07:37 PM
here's a crazy article about the map from entertainment weekly with close ups of the map that you can read.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178388_3_0_,00.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 05, 2006, 11:34:52 PM
Tonight's episode wasnt very exciting... I like Hurley and it was good to see the bald jewish guy from Sex & the City acting loco... but the episode in general was bad, slow, and not very exciting. It didnt make me believe for one second that what was happening for Hurley was true.

I also wanted to see more of what I guess we'll see next episode related to Henry Gale, the Hatch, etc. Last episode was so good, that this one dissapointed me.

Sawyer's remarks are always funny... last week when he told Hurley to go back to the buffet, and today when he was talking about open the mini-markets and hiring Sayid to work there... he is just funny. I'm also dying to see if he will ever find out about Locke and the real Sawyer... anyone remember the many conversations when Locke didnt want to call him Sawyer and pissing him off? Good stuff.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 06, 2006, 12:14:04 AM
Yeah, this episode may have been the most predictable one yet.

Speaking of predictability, I'll betcha money that he's building a church.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 06, 2006, 07:40:44 AM
yes i knew his friend was imaginary right away, (in a post-6th sense world you can no longer fool me if nobody else acknowledges him except the doctor who knows hes crazy), but i thought the places they went with it were great.  plus the backstory actually managed to shed more light on the hurley character unlike some other ones that have been more or less treading water.  he really IS crazy.  and the last moment was awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 06, 2006, 08:03:21 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 06, 2006, 12:14:04 AM
Yeah, this episode may have been the most predictable one yet.

Speaking of predictability, I'll betcha money that he's building a church.

Yes.  And yes.  But it wasn't all bad.  Watching Hurley go Ralphie in A Christmas Story on Sawyer was worth all the contrivances.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 06, 2006, 12:53:39 PM
they never have two show stopping episodes in a row. this was another diversionary episode, although i must say that last reveal was pretty great.  i thought libby was a rather uninteresting character until this point. 

hurley: "no girl like you would ever like me"

libby: "it's a good thing i'm CRAZY!!" :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 06, 2006, 08:37:35 PM
it was a good enough episode, but that last moment was done so poorly, come on.  the dramatic music.  the slow pan. 

what it was revealed was cool.  the way it was done.  not so much. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on April 06, 2006, 08:57:38 PM
I would say that it was the best out of all the filler episodes. Hurley's story was interesting.

I wish they could find a better way to kill time on this show though. When they're killing time, you know they're killing time, and it's killing me. Most of these episodes could be shortened to half an hour and still say everything they need to. There's a difference between suspense and just dragging it out as long as you possibly can.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 10, 2006, 09:29:11 AM
Problem for me is they shouldnt be killing so much time having so many things going on and so much to resolve... damnit!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 12, 2006, 08:26:09 PM
Looks like RK was right.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 12, 2006, 09:25:17 PM
Tonight was kinda slow, but I liked it.  I'm a fan of those two and was looking forward to thier reunion throughout the first season and a half and was happy to get to see a little more, even though it was yet another kinda predictable episode.

Quote from: hacksparrow on April 12, 2006, 08:26:09 PM
Looks like RK was right.

wanna know how it ends?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 13, 2006, 01:19:56 AM
I liked how this was the first episode in a long time that actually seemed aware of how many different story threads the show is currently juggling, and tried to at least touch on all of them.

All I can say is, thank god for Henry Gale.  I dig that guy more and more with each self-satisfied smirk.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 13, 2006, 04:56:10 AM
i thought tonights was a repeat,  i read a whole article about it...damn.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 13, 2006, 01:47:37 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 13, 2006, 01:19:56 AM
I liked how this was the first episode in a long time that actually seemed aware of how many different story threads the show is currently juggling, and tried to at least touch on all of them.

All I can say is, thank god for Henry Gale.  I dig that guy more and more with each self-satisfied smirk.

Agreed and agreed.

I have been behind for the past month or two, so I finally got caught up over the past week. The Henry Gale character has made season 2. It's such a dynamic story, completely showcasing the boundaries of friend/enemy relationships on the show. And that you know he's bad, but still want to trust what he says. Goddamn, he is so well written.

Hurley's episode was sooo boring and really, as has been said, contrived. Bruce Davison was nice, but even he couldn't save it. Yesterday's was pretty good, though I'd always imagined that they had been a couple for a long, long time. They seem to have the "I've known you forever" kinda relationship. But whatever. It's all pretty good, I'm excited to see what they do with the map, Kate and Jack, etc. And the entire episode, I was wondering where Michael had been for 7 or however many episodes. That's gonna be awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 13, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
anyone else check micheals afro? finally some hair continuity!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 25, 2006, 07:47:39 PM
'Lost' Actress Chooses Jail Over Service

HONOLULU - "Lost" actress Michelle Rodriguez pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a single count of driving under the influence, choosing to pay a $500 fine and spend five days in jail rather than do 240 hours of community service.

Rodriguez, who portrays police officer Ana Lucia, and cast member Cynthia Watros were both charged with drunken driving after they were pulled over Dec. 1 in separate cars within 15 minutes of each other.

On Tuesday, a judge gave Rodriguez the option of jail time or community service.

She was to surrender to authorities at Kaneohe District Court later in the day.

Watros, who plays Libby on the ABC castaway drama, pleaded guilty to drunken driving in January and was fined $312, ordered to undergo an alcohol assessment and 14 hours of counseling. She also had her license suspended for 90 days.

Both Rodriguez and Watros were spotted weaving on a road in Kailua, on the island of Oahu, where "Lost" is filmed. Both failed field sobriety tests.

Rodriguez recorded a blood-alcohol level of 0.17, more than twice the legal limit of .08. Watros had a blood-alcohol level of 0.10.

In 2004, Rodriguez pleaded no contest in Los Angeles to three traffic violations, including drunken driving. She completed a three-month alcohol program and is serving a three-year probation term.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 26, 2006, 07:38:04 AM
I got excited until I saw the length of the sentence.

But then she could still get shanked in those five days.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 26, 2006, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow on April 26, 2006, 07:38:04 AM
I got excited until I saw the length of the sentence.

But then she could still get shanked in those five days.

Dude, this is Michelle Rodriguez.  She could glare a shank dull.

I mean, just look at the woman:
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi35.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd179%2Fpolkablues%2Fmichellerodriguez3cm.jpg&hash=8f24dddb97af110666d26cbf9865a25c1b16263b)

They're going to have to put her in solitary as a preventative measure....

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2006, 01:09:35 AM
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!  My Eyes!!!!! Feels Like Burning!

I'm Blind. Damn you, Polka. Damn you all to Hell!!!!



Rodriguez Blames Steroids for Bad Behavior

Lost star Michelle Rodriguez has blamed her drink driving and subsequent bad behavior on her use of steroids. The star was sentenced to serve five days in a Hawaiian jail Tuesday, after pleading guilty to a drink driving charge. The actress insisted in court the steroid injections she had been taking twice monthly to treat allergies to "dust and cockroach resin" made her "manic." She developed the allergies upon arriving in Hawaii last year, where she films her hit TV show. During her December arrest for drink driving in Hawaii, she screamed and yelled at officers, at one point daring them to "put a gun to my head and shoot me." She had to be carried into the police station because she sat down in the station garage and refused to stand up, according to a police source. She said in court, "I wasn't right in my head. None of that verbal behavior was directed towards them. It was directed towards myself." About her arrest, she said, "I personally am thankful that I was stopped because of the fact that I didn't acknowledge my own behavior and how sporadic it was until all hell broke loose in my life." While in court, Rodriguez also asked the judge to take into consideration that she only got her driver's license seven years ago, so she could do a "car racing movie" and that "all of my driving experience started and was acquired from a car racing school." The actress claims she's "lost everything" because of her drunken driving arrest and had to sell her house and car to help pay for legal costs. When asked why she chose jail time over 240 hours of community service, she said, "I kind of have to go back to my life, go back to making some money. This sort of gave me a hard hit."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on April 28, 2006, 09:41:21 AM
and she's got 'uuuuuuge nips!

Fuck hugh, Michelle Rodrodhugenips.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 01, 2006, 07:08:47 AM
www.abc.com is now offering online versions of some of their shows including, obviously, Lost. The epsiode has 3 30 second advertisements that you must watch if you want to see more than the first five minutes of the episode. The quality isn't amazing, nor can you watch it in full screen. But if I ever miss an episode and I'm feeling way too impatient/lazy to download a torrent, this might end up being pretty convenient.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 02, 2006, 07:46:02 PM
Buena Vista has announced Lost: The Complete Second Season - The Extended Experience (due 10/3, SRP $59.99) will be a 7-disc box set including all of the season's episodes, along with the Lost Connections interactive documentary, The Lost Flashbacks (unseen footage on the characters' backgrounds), 3 featurettes (Lost: On Location, Secrets of the Hatch and Fire and Water: Anatomy of an Episode), audio commentaries, bloopers, deleted scenes and more.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 03, 2006, 09:02:43 PM
FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 03, 2006, 09:03:32 PM
 :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 09:07:42 PM
PLAY THAT ENDING AGAIN!!

DAMNIT I HATE WATCHING THIS ON TV... HOW EASIER WOULD BE TO WATCH ALL THE EPISODES TOGETHER ON DVD... I CANT FUCKING WAIT!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 03, 2006, 09:10:45 PM
Holy Jesus Christ.

Why did "Henry Gale" say that Anna Lucia had killed 2 of their good people?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 03, 2006, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: A Matter Of Chance on May 03, 2006, 09:10:45 PM
Holy Jesus Christ.

Why did "Henry Gale" say that Anna Lucia had killed 2 of their good people?

She killed Goodwin and the other she fought with and killed during one of the raids on the tail section, when Eko killed those 2 guys.

Quote from: RegularKarate on May 03, 2006, 09:02:43 PM
FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 09:20:59 PM
Did you see how Shannon also got killed right after she got laid? I guess thats why Jack and Kate havent done it yet... keep Kate alive!

This was huge... I'm still shocked... For anybody interested you should read todays ASK AUSIELLO on TVGuide.com. It's ALL LOST with several questions answered. Not many spoilers, nothing big, but its good.

SHOCKED!!!  :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 03, 2006, 09:38:06 PM
Did anyone see the ad for the 'Hanso Foundation?' Or am I just an idiot?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 09:42:42 PM
YES, I saw it

These guys are insane and they want to make us insane too!!!

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
OK THIS IS INSANE!!!

Please call the number on the AD... 1877-HANSORG

ITS FUCKING CRAZY AND IM LOSING IT!!!

It gives you a password for the website, but I couldnt hear it. I have to call back later. Its like someone hacks into the phone while you are waiting in line for an operator and tells you the password for you to find the truth about the organization... its fucking brilliant...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 03, 2006, 10:59:17 PM
LOST

FUCKING

RULES


crazy theory #1 (real crazy): not really michael.  sawyer was reading a manuscript called Evil Twin or something.  they've cloned Michael or gotten somebody to look just like him and sent him back to take care of business.  its pretty far out there, but that was my first thought.

theory #2: michael learned some real crazy shit when he went away that he didn't tell anyone about and has bought into some others philosophy about the good ones and bad ones and done some business. 

theory #3: in order to make certain everyone will be as passionate about getting back walt as he is, he had to do this business.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 04, 2006, 12:27:48 AM
Spoilerific Q:

Chicken or the egg: Libby and Ana get killed off for getting DUIs, or get DUIs because they found out they're getting killed off?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2006, 12:30:23 AM
Besides the Ask Ausiello of this morning with Lindelof and Cuse, Ausiello Report had a last minute BLOG addition tonight following the Episode.

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

They answer the question about the DUI also...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 04, 2006, 01:18:05 AM
Quote from: modage on May 03, 2006, 10:59:17 PM
LOST

FUCKING

RULES


crazy theory #1 (real crazy): not really michael.  sawyer was reading a manuscript called Evil Twin or something.  they've cloned Michael or gotten somebody to look just like him and sent him back to take care of business.  its pretty far out there, but that was my first thought.

theory #2: michael learned some real crazy shit when he went away that he didn't tell anyone about and has bought into some others philosophy about the good ones and bad ones and done some business. 

theory #3: in order to make certain everyone will be as passionate about getting back walt as he is, he had to do this business.


Remember Claire's flashbacks to when they were keeping her in the hospital hatch?  The drugs they were giving her made her compliant and totally accepting of the situation she was in.  It looks like Michael's been given a big ol' dose of the good shit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 04, 2006, 03:05:08 AM
SPOILER

I don't know. I'm leaning more towards mod's third theory. It was clear that he was going for his own arm so he could live but make it look like henry went on a shooting spree. But why he would stick around after that happening, I don't know. Plus, he already knows that they are going to get guns and go back with him so killing two people and shooting himself in the arm is completely unecessary.

God dammit, I just proved myself wrong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 04, 2006, 05:51:14 AM
SPOILER

First thought is that Michael was brainwashed.  He didn't mean to kill Libby, clearly meant to kill Michelle (perhaps in retaliation).  It looked to me like when he saw Henry Gale, it was like he had come for him.  In the previews of next week, I think it showed Michael in that cell all by himself, so maybe Henry left -- making Michael look innocent. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 04, 2006, 07:52:37 AM
SPOILER

I think it's as simple as the others telling Michael, "Do this and we'll give you Walt back."  He went on the whole first half of the season: "I'll do whatever I have to to get my boy back... my boy, my boy, my boy..."  This is the payoff.

Quote from: kal on May 03, 2006, 09:20:59 PM
Did you see how Shannon also got killed right after she got laid? I guess thats why Jack and Kate havent done it yet... keep Kate alive!

I thought the same thing.  And Libby was most certainly going to give up the goods to Hurley.

But Sun survived her "You're alive" bang with Jin...  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 04, 2006, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: modage on May 03, 2006, 10:59:17 PM

crazy theory #1 (real crazy): not really michael.  sawyer was reading a manuscript called Evil Twin or something.  they've cloned Michael or gotten somebody to look just like him and sent him back to take care of business.  its pretty far out there, but that was my first thought.


heres the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1146749931/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8683100-8699921?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Awesome episode, now its going to get really crazy I assume for the next 3 episodes. As a matter of fact, Aronofsky was supposed to direct the episode next wednesday. too bad, would have been sweet, my theory is that mike is in cahoots with the others to get his boy back. It was funny how Henry got Locke all confused with that "I came here to get you" line, love how Henry knows exactly how to push Locks buttons ("push buttons" hahah, oh yeah so who is doing that now, havent shown it in a while). That casting choice for Henry was just perfect. Oh yeah and wasn't that also crazy how we find out that Jack has a sister!?!?!?.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 04, 2006, 01:31:31 PM
Holy Fucking Shit. Mac should be rejoicing the fictional death of Michelle Rodriguez.

SPOILERS
mod, I think the bad twin thing was there just to fuck with people. goddamn, I want to know why Michael shot Ana Lucia. Also, what was the final conversation between Henry and Ana Lucia about? Were they just talking about Ana killing the others? Or was there something more to it?

This episode was amazing. Hurley will be so sad now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 04, 2006, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 04, 2006, 01:31:31 PM

mod, I think the bad twin thing was there just to fuck with people.

No, it's a real book that's actually being released as a cross-promotional thing.  It's coming out as being written by that character that died on the plane.  It seems kind of lame to me that they're doing that, but since it supposedly doesn't have much to do with the actual island itself, it doesn't bug me too much.

Supposedly though, the fictional author "wrote" another book that is out of print and may be more Lost related.  Man, that sounds really confusing, I'm gonna stop thinking about it.

Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 04, 2006, 01:31:31 PM

Hurley will be so sad now.

hmmm... he'll be sad, but I don't think she's dead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 04, 2006, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on May 04, 2006, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 04, 2006, 01:31:31 PM
Hurley will be so sad now.

hmmm... he'll be sad, but I don't think she's dead.

I agree.  We have no reason to be certain that she is at this point.  Though she'll probably be unconscious long enough for confusion to reign.

And, having thought it over, I think hacksparrow's theory about Michael is the right one.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 04, 2006, 03:45:23 PM
i gotta start watching this show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 04, 2006, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: ©brad on May 04, 2006, 03:45:23 PM
i gotta start watching this show.

and you gotta stop reading this thread until you're caught up
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 04, 2006, 04:50:16 PM
another theory. 

IF michael was telling the truth about there being about 22 savage-type people out there with bare feet and scraping by, its another plane crash.  not the others. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 04, 2006, 05:31:15 PM
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DING-DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD,
THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD!

WHICH OL' WITCH?
THE WICKED WITCH.

DING-DONG, THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD!!!





Quote from: polkablues on May 04, 2006, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on May 04, 2006, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 04, 2006, 01:31:31 PM
Hurley will be so sad now.

hmmm... he'll be sad, but I don't think she's dead.

I agree.  We have no reason to be certain that she is at this point.  Though she'll probably be unconscious long enough for confusion to reign.

"Lost" Star Finds New Show
Wed Apr 19, 2:55 PM ET

And another one bites the dust?

Try as the Lost writers might to keep a lid on series-shifting spoilers, when one of its stars is tapped to join another TV show, it would seem that that person's fate on the island is pretty much sealed.

(SPOILER ALERT: If you aren't interested in hearing about a possible death on Lost, read no further. And avoid the Internet for the next four weeks.)

According to the Hollywood Reporter, Cynthia Watros, who plays Hurley's love interest, Libby, has been cast in a CBS comedy pilot, calling into severe question her chances of making it out of Lost's second season alive.

Watros has signed on to star opposite Love Monkey's Tom Cavanagh in the sitcom My Ex-Life, centering on a divorced couple turned best buds who are sharing custody of their children. The show is aiming for a slot on CBS' fall schedule, which will be announced next month.

In what appears to be attempt to minimize revealing Lost plot points, the Reporter notes that Watros has committed to be a guest star and not a regular on the show. However, with her character being one of the two divorced parents in My Ex-Life, it seems that the guest star line is just a smoke screen.

Per usual, Lost producers aren't talking. They've already killed one regular this season--Shannon (Maggie Grace) was mistakenly gunned down by Ana-Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez)--but with tension mounting between the so-called Lostaways and the Others, it would be surprising if there wasn't at least one more grave to be dug on the island.

Watros is one of three full-time cast members to have joined Lost this season, along with Rodriguez and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko). The three were among the "Tailies," those who were in the rear of the plane and survived on the other side of the island.

Fans, for one, have long been speculating on who would be the next Tailie to go, with early rumor-mongering centering on Rodriguez as the marked woman. Rodriguez and Watros were both arrested on DUI charges last year. Watros copped a plea and lost her license, but Rodriguez, who faces potentially more serious legal trouble because she's on probation in another case, decided to fight the rap and is set to go to trial next week. Tabloid reports have suggested that Rodriguez is a disruptive force on the set, and her character has never endeared herself to Lost's die-hard fans after killing Shannon.

But producers sought to quell predictions of Ana-Lucia's demise--or at least create a misdirection--saying that her personal life would not affect her tenure on the show.

Further suggesting that Watros may be, well, lost forever, is the industry precedent of offing stars who land pilot gigs on other networks.

The most notable would be Drea de Matteo, who, despite proclamations to the contrary, met her demise on The Sopranos shortly after signing on to Joey. More recently, 24's Dennis Haysbert (President Palmer) announced last year he had joined the CBS drama The Unit. By the end of this season's first episode, President Palmer was dead.

Lost ends its second season with a special two-hour finale May 24. In the meantime, pray for Libby.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2006, 07:26:38 PM
They said that before... I read it a week ago... but also somebody said that it was only a pilot so nothing was confirmed... so who knows.

How ironic is the whole thing... I was just thinking...

At the beginning of the episode when Episode is ALMOST killing Ana Lucia I thought it was going to happen and it didnt. When it didnt, I was like.. of course they are not killing her yet. Then she wants revenge, so she gets the gun from Sawyer to kill Henry. That gun ends up killing her because she doesnt have the guts to finish the job. Poor bitch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 05, 2006, 09:17:48 PM
"Lost" Book Clues In Fans

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Bad Twin has only been available for three days, but the book has already nabbed endorsements from two high-profile names: Sawyer and Hurley.

Hyperion Books released the mystery novel Tuesday, marking one small step for Lost promotional tie-ins and one giant leap from fiction to reality.

The book, written by fictitious Oceanic Flight 815 passenger Gary Troup—for those without their decoder rings, his name is an anagram of "purgatory"—is being billed as the last manuscript from the author, who supposedly dropped the book off at his publisher just days before perishing on the made-for-TV flight.

ABC announced plans to market the character's book last November and have since managed to crowbar in several scenes which find castaways perusing the manuscript, which miraculously managed to survive the crash, the ocean, the fires and the routine pillages by the seemingly illiterate Others with all its pages in tact.

Just as miraculously, the completed book also managed to find its way to a Disney-owned publishing house.

"We got this manuscript from this guy and we couldn't reach him," Hyperion president Bob Miller told the Associated Press. "He apparently got on this plane in Australia and has been lost at sea."

The book's cover features a tantalizing selling point for would-be Troup fans, declaring the mystery "His Final Novel Before Disappearing on Oceanic Flight 815."

The plot, pieced together for fans who may actually read the book and not just scan lines for clues pertaining to the series, centers on the detective Paul Artisan who is hired to track down the "bad twin" Zander Widmore by his "good twin" Cliff. Along the way, Artisan enlists the help of a good buddy who just so happens to be well-versed in biblical parables and metaphors on the meaning of life.

As expected, Bad Twin is chalk full of cheeky references to the primetime juggernaut, including several mentions of the 17th century philosopher John Locke (that's the sound of legions of Lost fans perking up), a makeshift boat named "Escape Hatch," allusions to life being complicated and unable to be boiled down to something as simple as, say, "a string of numbers," and of course, most of the action takes place on a mysterious—and fictional—island.

"As with every island, there was something slippery and mysterious about Peconciquot," the book reads, per an excerpt from the Toronto Sun. "It was connected to the larger world, and then again it wasn't. It had a logic of its own, a highly local mythology that made perfect sense within its confines yet fitted uneasily with the mind-habits of the world beyond its boundaries."

That clears that up.

For those fans wishing to check out more of Troup's work, they may want to dig up his first novel, The Valenzetti Equation. That is, if it actually existed they might. The book is described as centering on a mathematical equation which predicts the apocalypse and while no more specifics have been released, it's likely Lost fans could hazard an accurate guess as to which numbers may be involved in the solution.

Still, should fans decide to crack open Bad Twin, they'd be in good, albeit fake, company.

On Lost's Feb. 8 episode, Hurley pulled the immaculately preserved manuscript from the plane's wreckage and just this week, unlikely bookworm Sawyer was happened upon extolling the literary merits of the whodunit.

Of course, thinly-veiled as the novel may be, one mystery still remains: Who actually wrote it. While Stephen King and Ridley Pearson, both self-confessed fans of the show, have drawn speculation as the author, harsh critics dismiss the theory, claiming the tome is too poorly written to come from the mystery masterminds. Most likely, the book was a committee effort.

But for those who just aren't into the whole reality thing, an interview with Troup has been made available on Amazon.com.

Lost's season finale airs May 24.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 06, 2006, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 05, 2006, 09:17:48 PM
Of course, thinly-veiled as the novel may be, one mystery still remains: Who actually wrote it. While Stephen King and Ridley Pearson, both self-confessed fans of the show, have drawn speculation as the author, harsh critics dismiss the theory, claiming the tome is too poorly written to come from the mystery masterminds.

Thereby catapulting Dan Brown to the top of the speculation list.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 06, 2006, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: polkablues on May 06, 2006, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 05, 2006, 09:17:48 PM
Of course, thinly-veiled as the novel may be, one mystery still remains: Who actually wrote it. While Stephen King and Ridley Pearson, both self-confessed fans of the show, have drawn speculation as the author, harsh critics dismiss the theory, claiming the tome is too poorly written to come from the mystery masterminds.

Thereby catapulting Dan Brown to the top of the speculation list.

There's an easy way to determine this.  If the last lines of each chapter sound like they would be good places to stick commercial breaks were it on TV, then it's Dan Brown. 

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 08, 2006, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 08, 2006, 02:03:31 PM
Interview: J.J. Abrams
The co-writer and director of M:i:III!

IGN FilmForce recently took part in a conference call interview with J.J. Abrams, the co-writer and director of Mission: Impossible III, his feature film helming debut. Abrams is currently one of the most powerful creative forces in U.S. television, having created such series as the powerhouse Lost, the departing Alias and the past hit Felicity.

Abrams spoke to the press about the rigors of making M;I:III, as well as what fans of Lost and Alias can look forward to:

Q: And with Lost, do you have to come with a season cliffhanger that will top the hatch in the last season?

Abrams: I can tell you that Damon Lindelof has done just that. The ending of this year of Lost blows the ending of last season out of the water. It is an incredible finale.

Q: But there has not been like a single thing... like last year, the hatch was sort of a dominant mystery. Now there is so many. What is the one thing that you can leave hanging?

Abrams: You will see what happens but I can tell you that a lot of it has been there and has been building from the beginning of this season. It is not out of the blue, but what happens at the very end of this year is... for me, it is like the greatest finale I have ever heard.


FUCK YEAH
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 10, 2006, 12:30:22 PM
Lost in 'Lost'
By Bill Keveney, USA TODAY

One theory posits a huge psychological experiment. Another tinkers with numerical analysis. Other schools of thought examine collective consciousness, electromagnetism and theology.

An Ivy League seminar? Hardly. It's speculation about the meaning of Lost, the second-season ABC drama (tonight, 9 ET/PT). Devout online followers slide each episode under the microscope, seeking to answer questions that go far beyond if and when castaways will get off their mysterious island.

Though some fans would seem to be putting in the time necessary to earn a Ph.D. - and numerous Ph.D.s analyze the show - a CliffsNotes may be in order for new students. Lost follows the survivors of a Sydney-to-Los Angeles flight that broke apart and crashed on a tropical island. After encountering an inchoate "monster," a polar bear and other odd doings in the 2004 premiere, junkie rocker Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) asked a question that still consumes fans: "Where are we?"

Some devotees seek a unified theory that explains the mysterious island, why these particular people are there and why no rescuers have arrived more than a month after the crash.

The show's producers say that there is no single explanation and that a simple answer would leave viewers dissatisfied. "We go on record saying, 'Here's what it's not,' " says Damon Lindelof, who created Lost with J.J. Abrams (Alias, Mission: Impossible III).

Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the executive producers who oversee Lost, say the survivors are not dead and trapped in some kind of purgatory. Nor does Lost take place as a dream or hallucination in one character's mind - a concept they call "the snow-globe theory," after the hospital drama St. Elsewhere, which was revealed in its 1988 finale to have all taken place in the snow globe of an autistic boy.

That doesn't deter cybersleuths who are enamored of those theories. "What's cool about the fan community is that it doesn't seem to care what we say or don't say," Lindelof says.

To encourage extensive analysis, Lindelof, Cuse and the writing staff have seeded Lost with so many clues that they can't fit them all in a TV show. The series has jumped wholeheartedly into multimedia synergy, creating everything from Lost-related websites (such as www.thehansofoundation.org) to spinoff books (Bad Twin, a real novel written by fictional Gary Troup, one of the passengers on Oceanic Flight 815) that may or may not provide helpful hints.

Last week, ABC inserted a faux Hanso Foundation commercial during the show to launch the Lost Experience, a parallel Internet hunt designed to give players additional clues but not affect the viewing experience of those who don't play.

The maturation of Internet communication has led to a level of scrutiny and viewer/writer interaction above and beyond such spellbinding ancestors as Twin Peaks, The X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. With thousands of fans collecting string - or expounding on String Theory - viewers can feast on a thesis's worth of analysis every week at sites such as thefuselage.com, lost-tv.com, lost-forum.com and lost.cubit.net.

"With Lost, there are so many ways to interact ... that there's so much more of a community that gets into more research and more levels of discussion," says Lynnette Porter, an associate professor in humanities at Florida's Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and co-author of Unlocking the Meaning of Lost: An Unauthorized Guide.

Last week, viewers got plenty to ponder when Michael (Harold Perrineau), single-minded in his pursuit of kidnapped son Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), shot fellow survivors Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) and Libby (Cynthia Watros). Tonight, fans will get more information on the underground hatch that is a remnant of a huge island psychosocial experiment, the Dharma Initiative. Appropriately, the episode is titled "?," named for the question mark in the center of what appears to be an island map.

The season's final episodes also will offer a resolution to the situation of Michael and Walt, who was seen at times as an apparition, and the survivors will prepare to take on The Others, a mysterious group who kidnapped Walt. Desmond, the man discovered in the hatch at the start of the season, will return as well, and viewers will learn why the plane crashed.

The theories

Lindelof and Cuse, speaking from Lost's Hawaii set last week as they wrapped up Season 2 and outlined Season 3, say there are too many questions for a simple explanation. "We know where they're at and what's going on, but that wouldn't qualify as a unifying theory," Lindelof says. Numerous questions yield multiple answers, they say.

"One layer speaks to electromagnetism, another to psychological experimentation, another to why they can see Walt. Coming up with one answer that unifies all those things is next to impossible. Hopefully, every sublayer will be explained" by the end, they say.

Although the theorizers are Lost's most intense and vociferous fan group, the producers say they ultimately have to focus on the much larger audience of casual viewers, developing characters and relationships to retain their interest. (Lost is averaging 15.3 million viewers this season, ranking 15th among prime-time shows.)

For those who want to analyze, however, they welcome speculation. "We don't want to eliminate too many theories," Cuse says. "What people enjoy about the show is being able to theorize."

That they do. From websites to Entertainment Weekly, trying to figure it all outhas become a participatory sport. Prominent theories and areas of investigation:

•Island as laboratory This season's revelation of the Dharma Initiative, a secret organization with a stated goal of human betterment, led many to embrace the theory that Lost is a huge experiment. The Hanso Foundation, which has ties to Dharma and delves into such topics as mental health and life extension, also suggests social-science tinkering. The hatch, which requires a recurring sequence of numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42) be punched into a computer every 108 minutes, suggests a Skinner Box, named for famed psychologist B.F. Skinner.

•Electromagnetism This was an early favorite after a compass wouldn't work properly in the first season. Theorists note the shadowy Hanso Foundation conducts research in this field, and the hatch was designed for such study. This theory may help explain the malfunction of the plane's instruments.

•Time-space continuum In physics, String Theory suggests other dimensions of space and time, which could help explain why rescuers haven't found the castaways. Shifts in time could help explain why a medical facility where pregnant Claire (Emilie de Ravin) was held looked as if it had been abandoned for years when survivors discovered it just weeks later, Porter says. A website credited to ABC parent Disney (www.oceanicflight815.com) also raises the question of time: A baggage claim ticket for survivor Jack Shephard (Matthew Fox) appears to be dated Sept. 21, 2009.

•The numbers The appearance of the sequence on a winning lottery ticket owned by survivor Hurley (Jorge Garcia) has spawned a cottage industry of number crunchers. One theory says they match up to the retired uniform numbers of New York Yankees. Producers have reacted to fans' interest in the numbers, featuring them on everything from field hockey uniforms to police cars, Porter says.

•Collective consciousness Past connections among survivors - Sawyer drinking with Jack's father, Jack's father hiring Ana Lucia, Locke working for Hurley's company - have led many to surmise that those links are tied to their presence on the island. The psychic aura of the island raises the question of whether characters are insinuating themselves into each other's consciousness in the individual characters' flashbacks that are a Lost signature, says Porter's co-author David Lavery, a professor at Middle Tennessee State University.

With speculation comes disagreement, which may be half the fun. Orson Scott Card, author of the best-selling Ender's Game science-fiction series, says a collective-consciousness theme would turn whatever solid ground viewers can count on into quicksand. "One thing we're counting on is that the back stories are true," says Card, who is editing an upcoming book of essays, Getting Lost: Survival, Baggage and Starting Over in J.J. Abrams' Lost, due in August.

Lost may be teasing viewers at times, too. Producers say it isn't purgatory, but the name Gary Troup is an anagram for that transitional realm, Porter says.

Lost's many literary and philosophical allusions don't provide specific explanations, but they offer a cornucopia of considerations. Characters bear the names of famed philosophers Locke and Rousseau. The novel Watership Down is about rabbits that must flee their warren, and tesseracts, or time ripples, are found in A Wrinkle in Time, two of the many books read on the island.

An Ambrose Bierce story on Lost's reading list, An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, toys with the snow-globe theory, telling the story of a man who thinks he has escaped hanging only to find it occurred in his own mind just before he is hanged. But Lavery points to Bierce's The Damned Thing, which is about an invisible monster.

Other essayists cite philosopher Francis Bacon and mathematician René Descartes in their musings. "I think Lost, more than anything else on TV to date, provides a forum for philosophical and critical discussion," says Amy Bauer, an assistant professor of music at the University of California-Irvine who moderates a peer-reviewed online journal, The Society for the Study of Lost (www.loststudies.com).

Everything about Lost is designed for analysis, says Joyce Millman, who wrote one of the Getting Lost essays. She credits the writers with "a rich variety of references: scientific, biblical, pop-cultural, literary, historical, philosophical."

Millman, whose essay is called Game Theory, sees Lost's structure attracting fans via familiarity: She thinks it works like an interactive video game. "The story line and the action develop on multiple levels. There are hidden clues that function like the Easter eggs in gaming," Millman says. "Lost is a big game, and the act of watching it forces you to play along."

The nature of theorizing

Trying to make sense of mystery is human nature. "That's what people like to do. We see all these patterns, and we try to make meaning out of them," Porter says.

Lindelof and Cuse say other Lost writers monitor the fan theories and websites because they don't want to get drawn into just serving that audience. But they learn from and respond to fan concerns. Dissatisfaction with the number of answers in last season's finale has led to more of them in this season's final, two-hour episode May 24.

Some fans are "surprisingly close" with theories, Lindelof says, but don't have "enough information yet to totally get there."

Card enjoyed the first season more and says he's not certain Lost is revealing answers quickly enough. Its future success depends on providing enough answers and making them complicated enough to be worth the fans' commitment.

"Real suspense comes from answers, not questions. Suspense comes not from wondering what's going on but from wondering what happens next," he says. "If you withhold answers, it becomes impossible to satisfy."

Some fans will never be satisfied with the pace or quality of Lost's answers. Others wonder whether the producers can maintain their brilliant balancing act of characters, mystery and allusions. "The producers have ... set the bar very high," Bauer says.

At least one dedicated fan leans more toward Zen than analysis. As in life, not everything in Lost will make sense, nor does it need to, says Charlie Starr, another Getting Lost essayist and a teacher of English and humanities at Kentucky Christian University in Grayson.

"Maybe we're not supposed to be theorizing. Maybe we're supposed to surrender to it. We've got to be people who can handle mystery, to surrender to the text and let it take us where it wants to," says Starr, referencing English poet John Keats. "With Lost, maybe the best thing to do is simply to watch with a sense of wonder and surprise."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 10, 2006, 10:20:15 PM
I loved the playing with dreams and visions in this episode, very nice. Can't wait for the end of this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2006, 10:39:03 PM
SPOILERS

Libby went out exactly as I expected.

Marvin Candle's idle arm was moving in this orientation.

The psychic was lying to Eko about being a fraud just to make sure he would get on Flight 815.  If he was really a fraud, he wouldn't have bought a pregnant girl a plane ticket to LA.

I wish Aronofsky had directed this episode, just to see what he would have done.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 11, 2006, 12:17:30 PM
Oh, wow I didn't even notice that was the same psychic that Claire went to.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 11, 2006, 12:54:16 PM
i didn't recognize the face either but my girlfriend insisted it was.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 11, 2006, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow on May 10, 2006, 10:39:03 PM
SPOILERS

Marvin Candle's idle arm was moving in this orientation.



He also gave a different name if I am not mistaken?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 11, 2006, 03:01:29 PM
Anyone else thing that the fact that both DUI ladies were killed in the same episode?

I mean the writers claimed that Killing off Ana Lucia had been planned since the begining and they in fact thought about NOT killing her when the DUI came up, but it seems like a strange place to kill Libby... she still had that Hurley mystery going on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 11, 2006, 06:39:31 PM
It seems like the production window would be a little tight for this not to have been planned ahead of time.

I'm picturing Damon Lindelof browsing through The Smoking Gun, spotting the mug shots, and frantically dialing the writing staff: "KILL THEM OFF!!! NOW! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 11, 2006, 06:48:16 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on May 11, 2006, 03:01:29 PM
Anyone else thing that the fact that both DUI ladies were killed in the same episode?

Quote from: Weak2ndAct on May 04, 2006, 12:27:48 AM
Spoilerific Q:

Chicken or the egg: Libby and Ana get killed off for getting DUIs, or get DUIs because they found out they're getting killed off?



The announcement of Aronofsky directing an episode came October 27. The DUIs happened December 2nd. Someone do the math.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 11, 2006, 06:59:58 PM
If you all read the Ausiello Report from last week and this week you will see it was planned. Both of them. And Epsiodes are written way before they are shot, and way before the DUIs happened. The Ausiello Report has a very good interview with Lindelof and Cuse about both deaths.

www.tvguide.com
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 13, 2006, 09:07:40 PM
Just finished reading the book. It was funny because there is a character named Cindy who is a flight attendant, and I was reading the book on the plane and the flight attendant was named Cindy. Anyhow, the book is very good. There are many LOST references and connections, but nothing major and I didnt find any "clues" or anything. Its a good way to market and sell the book, but Im not sure if its meant to do anything else.

I recommend it just as a good book... and for us Lost fans and people interested in the biz in general, its cool to see the many products and ideas that can come out of one clever and successful thing such as Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 14, 2006, 12:51:38 PM
You should change your name to "Sucka"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on May 14, 2006, 06:27:10 PM
Then we could say "Duck, You Sucka"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 14, 2006, 07:54:31 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 14, 2006, 10:34:56 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 15, 2006, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: kal on May 13, 2006, 09:07:40 PM
Just finished reading the book. It was funny because there is a character named Cindy who is a flight attendant, and I was reading the book on the plane and the flight attendant was named Cindy. Anyhow, the book is very good. There are many LOST references and connections, but nothing major and I didnt find any "clues" or anything. Its a good way to market and sell the book, but Im not sure if its meant to do anything else.

I recommend it just as a good book... and for us Lost fans and people interested in the biz in general, its cool to see the many products and ideas that can come out of one clever and successful thing such as Lost.


I thought I read somewhere or heard on one of the various audio/video clips that have been planted on the internets that the Cindy in the book is based on the "real" Cindy on the show, that she is his girlfriend. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 17, 2006, 01:37:08 PM
'Lost' fans won't find reruns
ABC's prime-time president mollifies the hit show's audience by banning repeats. Twelve new series are due.
Source: Los Angeles Times

NEW YORK — Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and his name is Steve McPherson. The ABC president of prime-time entertainment bestowed a generous gift upon the legions of "Lost" fans Tuesday morning in Manhattan, promising: No More Repeats.

"Lost," whose unpredictable schedule of reruns throughout the season annoyed fans so much that the website IsLostARepeat.com was launched to keep track, will return in the fall with seven original episodes, and then go on hiatus until January or February, when it will return to the schedule with straight original episodes until May, McPherson said at a news conference at the annual television "upfronts," at which the networks' fall lineups are announced for advertisers.
 
The exec had something in his bag for "Grey's Anatomy" fans as well, announcing that Dr. McDreamy and company are moving to Thursday nights next fall.

It was a lot to take in, and that does not even count all the new characters in the 12 new shows that will grace the ABC schedule next year. Which is why "Grey's Anatomy" is being moved, so ABC can use it to launch "Six Degrees," a new drama by J.J. Abrams ("Lost," "Mission: Impossible III") and his company, Bad Robot, about six New Yorkers who go about their lives without realizing the effect they will have on one another.

"If anybody has seen ["Grey's"] lately, and if you saw it last night, there's certainly not a better show on television," McPherson said. "There may be a show as good, but I congratulate whoever's show that is.... The two-hour block of 'Grey's' and 'Six Degrees' for us is incredibly strong ... and with the comedies leading into it, it really establishes another place on the schedule for us."

...

When it comes to "Lost," it's all about the fans. "Lost" will stay in its current Wednesday time slot and run for seven episodes in the fall. Then ABC will launch "Day Break," starring Taye Diggs as a detective who literally lives the same day over and over — and it's a bad one — for 13 weeks.

"We really listened to the fans," McPherson said. " 'Lost' is a show people really love. They make an appointment for. They absolutely just get furious when it's in repeat."

The show's executive producers, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, said on Tuesday that they loved the new schedule and would design the third season around the new air order.

"Now when 'Lost' is on, it's on," Cuse wrote in an e-mail. "And the audience doesn't have to wait all the way until the spring for the show to return, which given the cliffhanger nature of our finale would be too long. We're incredibly excited about it. It allows us to really keep the momentum of our particular type of storytelling."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 17, 2006, 09:09:18 PM
^ awesome.

"they're not who they say they are.  they're pretending"

i CANNOT wait for next week. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 17, 2006, 09:19:45 PM
Of course for the first time in a long while I'm not gonna be home next Wednesday...it won't be the same on VHS! 

I completely forgot what Walt looked like.  I could've sworn he looked way different.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 17, 2006, 09:24:14 PM
he looked way younger.  next season (if he makes it) he'll probably have a beard like michael.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 17, 2006, 10:11:08 PM
he looked different yeap...

I calso cant wait... and I'm going to be on a plane all night Wednesday... which means I will have to download it the following day... it sucks!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 17, 2006, 11:06:21 PM
2 hours after the show aired and not one person here mentioned the fact that TWO Magnolia cast members were on tonight's show?   :saywhat:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 18, 2006, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow on May 17, 2006, 11:06:21 PM
2 hours after the show aired and not one person here mentioned the fact that TWO Magnolia cast members were on tonight's show?   :saywhat:

April Grace even came across as a weird alternate-reality version of her Magnolia character.  "I'd like to ask you some questions..."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 18, 2006, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: modage on May 17, 2006, 09:09:18 PM
"they're not who they say they are.  they're pretending"

i CANNOT wait for next week.

But that's not anything new. We already knew that when Kate found the beard in the locker and Mr. Friendly, sans beard, was in Claire's flashbacks in the medical hatch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on May 18, 2006, 07:23:32 PM
other than April Grace, who else from Magnolia was on the show?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 18, 2006, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Ultrahip on May 18, 2006, 07:23:32 PM
other than April Grace, who else from Magnolia was on the show?

Michael Bowen, who played Stanley's dad, was the first Other Michael walked up on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 18, 2006, 10:36:59 PM
i thought that was him, (from kill bill also right?)  but he looked significantly differnet the longer i looked at him so i figured it was not him.  but i recognized the other one for sure.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 18, 2006, 11:00:01 PM
SPOILER

When he dragged Walt into tent, I wanted Walt to say, "I need you to start treating me better."  But it never happened.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 18, 2006, 11:45:39 PM
So is Locke sailing the boat? 
Next week is gonna be INSANE.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 19, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
Desmond?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 19, 2006, 11:24:06 AM
my beef with michael is that he never listens to what other people says to him. i was thinking what the cute girl, the french chick's daughter, was saying to him. that the others is not as hostile as they seem to be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 19, 2006, 12:58:28 PM
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SPOILER ALERT! Major plotlines revealed!

Among the many theories that have been formulated to explain the island, the monster, the numbers, and the 666 additional mysteries lurking within ABC's Emmy-winning drama Lost, the most popular is that the passengers of Oceanic flight 815 are stuck in purgatory. But here in a lush thicket of jungle on Oahu, life bears a closer resemblance to a ring of hell reserved for torturing pretty Hollywood actors.

In the shadow of a crooked tree, Matthew Fox (Jack) and Evangeline Lilly (Kate) bat away hungry gnats dive-bombing their glistening skin. Outside the vine-choked doors of the hatch, Harold Perrineau (Michael) is being painted with sticky fake blood. And stomping through the underbrush is Josh Holloway (Sawyer), his dimpled mug pinched with panic. Things are a little crazy around here today, since sequences for the final four hours of Lost's brilliantly puzzling second season are being shot concurrently. And — oops — Holloway prepared for the wrong scene. Now he's cramming for a cumbersome mouthful of typical Sawyer snark. '''The artist formerly known as Henry Gale' — what is that?'' says the actor, shaking his head. He asks if he can ditch the tricky quip. Nope. Make it work, he's told.

And he does, though the scene itself ends tragically, with Jack and the gang learning that Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) and Libby (Cynthia Watros) have been shot — by Michael, no less, though he has pinned their murders on that duplicitous Gale guy. Now the stage has been set for a fateful confrontation with the ominous, jungle-dwelling Others in the two-hour May 24 season finale. ''Being the one who pulled the trigger was freaky,'' says Perrineau. ''The hatch used to feel like a safe haven. Now ghosts live there.'' Burying his wildly bearded face in his hands, he half jokes: ''Why am I doing this career? I don't have to kill anyone if I work construction!''

Such is the soul-searching that takes place when you're part of the most enigmatic enterprise on television. In fact, a visit to the set of the cult pop phenomenon suggests a new Big Theory for the show: Lost has become an allegory for itself. A group of people on an island, their fates shaped by unseen, life-threatening Others — namely, the show's Burbank-based writers, and the 15.3 million viewers who are simultaneously fascinated by and frustrated with its peekaboo plot development. ''I've never had a truer sense of not knowing what the hell is going on than I've had working on this show,'' says Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko). ''The only way you can influence your fate is to put your soul into your performance and hope it registers with the audience.''

If there were ever a time for Lost's cast to make a good impression, it would be now. In a clearing of crunchy grass, the nefarious Mr. Friendly (M.C. Gainey) twirls a bolo and barks at his fellow Others: ''Don't shoot! We need him.'' At the beach, long-lost button pusher Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) chugs from a bottle of booze and spills a secret. (Hint: It's sick.) Down in the hatch, Eko mops up Libby's blood and speaks of damnation. And as they load their weapons, Jack and Sawyer bond over the memory of Ana Lucia. ''At least I get to kill somebody now,'' says Sawyer, cocking his shotgun with an emphatic crack. ''Brutal'' is how Naveen Andrews (Sayid) describes the finale. ''People here are scared. They want to know if they're going to survive.''

Fox, on the other hand, calls it ''mind-blowing. It leaves us scattered and vulnerable in the face of a larger foe — or who we think is a larger foe — and walks us right up to the start of next season.''

Executive producer Damon Lindelof vows a darker and more revealing finale than last year's still-unresolved Walt-napping, and that inconclusive peek into the hatch. This time, we'll see Walt again, learn what caused Oceanic flight 815 to crash, find out what that mysterious button actually does (if anything), and more. Lost co-pilots Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are already sweating the feedback. Their sophomore-season ambition was to spin a complex and surprisingly personal story that pushed the Lost saga to a defining moment. Now it's time to face the judges. ''I feel like we've been practicing a dive in anticipation of the Olympics,'' says Lindelof. ''But until we break through the surface, and hear the audience reaction, we won't know if we've executed it.''

Secrets and lies, scams and conspiracies, mystical visions and mind games, all embedded with densely coded allusions and other distracting tidbits — that's been the Matrix-y stuff of Lost's second year, one that was perfectly epitomized by the big reveal of the island's fabled monster: a tentacle of billowing black smoke, flickering with fleeting images. Lost used to be merely intriguing: Now it's about as shifty as a White House press conference. ''Season 1 was about 'Here we are,''' explains Lindelof. ''Season 2 has been going deeper: 'What is our reality? Are we really here? Is this even a place on the planet?'''

Lindelof and Cuse (who came aboard when co-creator J.J. Abrams left after Lost's seventh episode to direct Mission: Impossible III) began sussing out season 2 last spring by brainstorming the contents of the show's Pandora's box: the hatch, a quarantined bunker buried beneath the jungle. The producers always had some general ideas, but now they had specific names. Desmond. Alvar Hanso. Dr. Marvin Candle. The Dharma Initiative. And the button, a computer key that must be pushed every 108 minutes lest...something happen. ''When they pitched the button, my first reaction was 'No f---ing way!' And I mean that in a good way,'' says ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson, who denies rumors that the network mandated the hit series steer clear of the sci-fi side of the road. ''I'm constantly amazed by their imaginations.''

Lost's shepherds are also deep-thinking guys whose soulful concerns are imprinted on the show. Lindelof, 33, and Cuse, 47, both speak of spiritual awakenings during adulthood; they aspire to use Lost as a vehicle to tell stories of redemption and, according to Cuse, explore the question of ''how does one lead a life.'' During the show's conception, Lindelof was grappling with an array of internal debates prompted by the death of his father. At the same time, he was falling in love with his future wife, and finding the spiritual connection he was seeking through exposure to her Catholic beliefs. ''For me,'' he says, ''Lost is about meaning — and the search for meaning.''

For the actors tasked with embodying this journey, season 2 has required a risky leap of faith, and not just because they're usually kept in the dark about the plot. (Says Yunjin Kim, who plays Sun: ''When a character reaches some kind of redemption, perhaps it's time to start packing your bag.'') The cast was warned that new characters and an infusion of island mythology were likely to yield a different kind of show from season 1 — and less screen time. ''It hasn't been easy,'' says Dominic Monaghan (Charlie). ''I like to work. You just have to submit to the storytelling.'' Adds Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin: ''The challenge for all the actors now is to find our place in the mythology. Because clearly, if there is no place for us, we won't be around. The deaths on this show have shown that.''

Even the second season's central figures have wrestled with Lost's evolving texture, perhaps none more so than Terry O'Quinn, who has gone from boar-hunting mystic to hatch-trapped cosmic victim. ''I've told the producers that I miss the old John Locke,'' says O'Quinn. ''I wish he hadn't found those damn buttons sometimes. But these ups and downs reflect everybody's. You can't always choose the way things go. That's life.'' But those who persevere are rewarded with enlightenment. Holloway says he was baffled and bothered by all the fat jokes that producers were giving Sawyer to lob at Hurley (Jorge Garcia), not knowing they were setting the stage for Hurley's meltdown in April 5's trippy, I-see-imaginary-friends episode. Says Holloway: ''That's when I learned [to] trust these writers. They know what they're doing.''

Wellll...almost. They did cast Michelle Rodriguez as Ana Lucia, whose surly portrayal of the haunted cop polarized audiences. ''In the case of Michelle, there seemed to be a split in opinion over what she was like as an actor and what she was like as a character,'' concedes Cuse. But ''we feel Michelle fulfilled the role we wrote for her.'' Ana Lucia's death, he adds, was always part of the plan, and in fact, the Blue Crush star requested a one-year tour of duty. But her rough edges did scuttle plans for a romance with Jack, and contributed to the decision to make the May 10 episode a double homicide. Watros, however, wasn't initially marked for death: ''We worried [Ana Lucia's] death might not have the [same] emotional resonance as if we had killed a sympathetic character. By adding Libby to the death toll, it would really intensify the audience's feeling toward Michael going into the final episodes,'' explains Cuse, who denies that Rodriguez and Watros were targeted because of their much-publicized arrests for drunk driving. While producers declined to reveal their original intentions for Libby, they will say that Hurley's secret loony-bin admirer will pop up in Desmond's flashback in the season finale, as well as other characters' flashbacks next year. (While Watros recently shot a CBS comedy pilot, she'll still be available for future Lost episodes.)

Additional plans for Lost's third season are also taking shape. There will be new locations and new characters (one rumor has Desmond joining the cast full-time, but producers won't comment). The season's big theme sounds timely, twisty, and terrifying. Hints Lindelof: '''Us versus Them.' But who's the 'us,' and who's the 'them'?'' And perhaps the most promising tease of all for Lost fans will be a welcome change in ABC's erratic, repeat-heavy scheduling of the show, which the producers believe has hindered their serialized storytelling. McPherson doesn't disagree. ''The ideal schedule for this series would be to run for 22 consecutive weeks,'' he says. ''But we have a 35-week season. We are looking at a number of scenarios, like the possibility of three huge chunks.''

Of course, another theory could explain why Lost is down about 200,000 viewers from last year (and it's not just because it now faces American Idol's results show): Some viewers may simply have reached ambiguity overload. Truth is, Lost has to be judicious about plot development. Lindelof and Cuse say they would love to write the drama knowing that it had an end point, ideally about five seasons. But Cuse believes the show can survive on character-driven redemption tales for years, and both he and Lindelof recognize that Lost must deliver the goods, however long it's on the air. ''The more I hear about disgruntled Americans who believe there never was an exit strategy for Iraq, the more I understand why they want to know that the story we're telling has a...well, an exit strategy,'' says Lindelof. ''If they can't get answers to mysteries in real life, they most definitely want answers on their TV sets on Wednesday nights. And they deserve them.''

What those answers will be remains to be seen. Fox, at least, is willing to say what one of them won't be. ''Nobody is going to wake up on this show and mysteriously end up somewhere else.'' Promise? ''That's a promise.''

Told of Fox's pledge, Lindelof betrays a mischievous smirk. ''Well, then,'' he says, ''I guess we're going to have to do that.''
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 23, 2006, 12:37:11 AM
'Lost' Actress Rodriguez Sentenced Again

LOS ANGELES - Actress Michelle Rodriguez, who served five days in jail in Hawaii last month for drunk driving, must serve 60 days for violating her probation with that arrest, a spokesman for the city attorney said Monday.

Judge Rex Hesseman also sentenced the former star of television's "Lost" to 30 days of community service with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, stints with the Mothers Against Drunk Driving victim impact panel and the city's hospital and morgue program, said spokesman Frank Mateljan. She must also attend an alcohol education program.

The 27-year-old actress is scheduled to begin her jail term on May 31, Mateljan said.

A message left with her attorney, Henry Holmes, was not immediately returned.

Rodriguez was arrested in Hawaii last December on the drunken driving charge. She pleaded guilty last month.

The Honolulu arrest violated the three-year probation term the actress was given in 2004 after pleading no contest to charges of hit-and-run, driving on a suspended license and driving under the influence of alcohol, Mateljan said.

Her probation on those charges has now been extended until June 2009.

Rodriguez's "Lost" character, Ana Lucia, was killed off in an episode broadcast earlier this month. The show's producers have said that plot twist had nothing to do with her arrests.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 24, 2006, 03:24:44 PM
finale time! set your tivo's to stun


...yes I am bored at work
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 24, 2006, 10:02:44 PM
I think the worst relationship I'll ever have is with Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 24, 2006, 10:35:14 PM
Because you know you won't ever leave it, no matter what it does.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 24, 2006, 10:38:40 PM
And it just keeps slapping me around. Fuckers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 24, 2006, 10:59:10 PM
My life is terrible now, I have to wait until fucking September. But anyway, holy shit, that finale was not the best thing I've ever heard of, as Abrams said of it, but pretty amazing. So many questions. Just incredible.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2006, 11:35:22 PM
i had a knot in my stomach the entire time.  i wish every episode all season could be this intense.  i LOVED it.  best 2 hours ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 25, 2006, 01:09:57 AM
last 2 minutes left me lost though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 25, 2006, 01:13:49 AM
Best fucking line... "I think I crashed your plane." God, that gave me chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 25, 2006, 01:45:01 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 25, 2006, 01:13:49 AM
Best fucking line... "I think I crashed your plane." God, that gave me chills.

No, best line was Locke: "I was wrong."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 25, 2006, 07:51:51 AM
Quote from: pozeR on May 25, 2006, 01:09:57 AM
last 2 minutes left me lost though.

Then it's not just a clever name.


SPOILERS

OK, so Desmond's girlfriend is the daughter of the guy who owns the construction company that Michael worked for as well as the company that manufactured Sun's pregnancy test.  Now, if she had people looking for some sort of electromagnetic anomaly, this means that she knew this was going to happen and presumably that Desmond would have something to do with it.  This solidifies my theory that part of the mystery is that the Dharma Initiative has found a way to predict the future and manipulate events via chaos theory.  The connections are too great for it to be just coincidence, except that, you know, that's how it's written.  But if the writers are holding to the idea that everything can be scientifically explained, then there's your explanation for the pre-flight connections.  This is not just "one of those things."  This, please, cannot be that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 25, 2006, 11:04:51 AM
one thing i don't like is how this episode disproves the theories that the apocalypse/something apocalyptic has happened while everyone was on the island and returning home/rescue by someone else is impossible even though the island is so huge.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 25, 2006, 12:03:21 PM
An Explosive "Lost" Finale

As the second season of Lost concluded in a brain-bending two-hour finale Wednesday, viewers found answers to some of their questions while others were left unresolved.

(Warning: Obviously, the following article will reference plot points of the Lost season finale. Read no further if you don't want to know.)

Among the major mysteries explained: how Oceanic Flight 815 came to crash on the island; what exactly pushing the button does; and the story behind that guy, Desmond.

Still unclear: why 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Who are the Others and what are they doing? Whatever happened to that polar bear? And the monster? Also, how does Vincent the Labrador keep his well-fed figure?

The episode commenced with the revelation that the sailboat that appeared on the horizon at the close of the penultimate episode belonged to former hatch-dweller Desmond, who is found drunkenly holed up below deck after realizing that two and a half weeks of sailing had brought him back to the island.

The finale's main theme centered around Desmond's backstory, which begins upon his release from military prison after his dishonorable discharge from Her Majesty's Armed Forces. As he leaves jail, he encounters the father of his true love, Penelope Widmore, who attempts to pay him off to stay away from his daughter. (Interestingly, Papa Widmore is a central character in the Lost spinoff book, The Bad Twin.)

Instead, Desmond elects to compete in Widmore's boat race around the world in order to regain his honor. He sets off in a sailboat donated to him by none other than the ill-fated Libby, whom he happens to encounter in a coffee shop. Just before he leaves for the race, Penny tracks him down to tell him that she'll wait for him, no matter what.

Of course, he winds up marooned on the island, where he is drafted into his button-pushing mission by the previous hatch inhabitant, Kelvin.

After spending three years holed up together in the hatch, Kelvin reveals an important clue to the island--a crawl space in The Swan station that contained a system termination switch operated via a special Dharma key.

"This is the only other way out, partner," a boozed-up Kelvin tells Desmond. "The fail safe. Turn the key and this all goes away."

Kelvin also (finally) explains "the incident" referenced in the Dharma Initiative orientation video and why the button must be pushed.

"The incident? There was a leak, so now the charge builds up and every time we push the button, it discharges it before it gets too big," Kelvin says.

After finding Kelvin plotting an escape using his sailboat, Desmond kills him, then keeps pushing the button as a one-man team until Locke, Jack and crew burst into his hatch and take over. The last time viewers saw Desmond, many episodes ago, he was fleeing the hatch, apparently making his way to his sailboat and from there, on to the outside world.

Unfortunately for him, his escape plan failed, putting him right back where he started.

"There's no outside world, there's no escape," Desmond cries, as he is dragged ashore by Jack, Sawyer and Sayid.

Upon his unwilling return to the island, Desmond is recruited by the newly disillusioned Locke to help stop button-pushing convert Eko from pushing said button.

After he and Eko watched the orientation video in The Pearl observation hatch, Locke decided pushing the button was unnecessary and became convinced he was merely a puppet in a larger experiment.

Eko, on the other hand, became convinced of the life-or-death necessity of entering the numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) every 108 minutes. He and Locke come to blows over the button and he locks Locke out of the hatch. But Locke manages to trick him into leaving his post, then locks him out so he and Desmond can watch the clock count down to zero.

In desperation, Eko convinces Charlie to help him find the extra sticks of dynamite used to blow open the hatch at the conclusion of the first season, and uses it to try and explode his way into the control room to enter the numbers. The resulting explosion leaves both Charlie and Eko stunned, but fails to give them access to the button.

Meanwhile, Desmond has realized that the button actually does need to pushed, as he makes the key connection that it was his failure to do so that caused the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 some two months earlier.

Locke remains unconvinced and smashes the computer used to enter the numbers, forcing Desmond to take the only step left--using the special Dharma key to activate the system termination switch. A blinding explosion and deafening sound follow, as the hatch and Desmond are presumably blown to smithereens. Charlie staggers back onto the beach (where he shares a smooch with Claire), but Locke and Eko remain unaccounted for...at least until next season.

Meanwhile, despite being sniffed out as a turncoat by Sayid, Michael manages to succeed in his plan to turn Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley over to the Others in exchange for Walt. The Other calling himself Henry Gale reunites Michael and Walt and turns over the motor boat to Michael, telling him to follow the compass bearing at 325 in order to find rescue.

"Who are you people?" Michael asks. (An excellent question.)

"We're the good guys, Michael," Henry replies. (Not a satisfactory response.)

As the traitorous Michael motors off with Walt, Kate, Jack and Sawyer are left gagged and bound by the Others, while Hurley is freed and ordered to return to camp and let the rest of the plane crash survivors know they are not welcome to come sniffing around.

In a final scene guaranteed to leave Lost fans with something to ponder while waiting for the show's return this fall, two Portuguese-speaking men working out of a snow-bound research station notice a huge electromagnetic abnormality and pick up the phone to make an emergency call to...Penny, Desmond's true love.

"Miss Widmore," one of the men says. "I think we've found him."

Boom. Roll credits. See you in September.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 25, 2006, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2006, 11:04:51 AM
one thing i don't like is how this episode disproves the theories that the apocalypse/something apocalyptic has happened while everyone was on the island and returning home/rescue by someone else is impossible even though the island is so huge.

I'm actually glad for that.  Think about it, if they had nothing to go back to, then who gives a shit what happens to them and if they get off the island?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 25, 2006, 06:13:57 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2006, 11:04:51 AM
one thing i don't like is how this episode disproves the theories that the apocalypse/something apocalyptic has happened while everyone was on the island and returning home/rescue by someone else is impossible even though the island is so huge.

I didn't even know that was a theory. I think the theories people theorize are pointless. I know it's fun, but I'd rather the writers take me in their direction, not my own. I think I have that philosophy towards everything cinematic, though.

And the best part of the show was the sudden reintroduction of the whispers, affecting everyone but Michael. Pretty goddamn interesting. It's sad how Locke has lost his faith.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 26, 2006, 01:51:32 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on May 25, 2006, 05:38:16 PM
I'm actually glad for that.  Think about it, if they had nothing to go back to, then who gives a shit what happens to them and if they get off the island?
when they or some of them get off the island in the last episode they find out and it somehow explains how the plane crashed was how it would've been great.

Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 25, 2006, 06:13:57 PM
I think the theories people theorize are pointless.
but they might be right. or better. see: revolutions and the theory about neo being able to stop the sentinels/powering down because he and everyone else were really robots.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 26, 2006, 08:43:29 AM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 25, 2006, 06:13:57 PM
I didn't even know that was a theory. I think the theories people theorize are pointless. I know it's fun, but I'd rather the writers take me in their direction, not my own. I think I have that philosophy towards everything cinematic, though.

I'm like that with individual films but when it's something like this where you have so much time in between installments and with people talking about it all the time, you can't help it.

But I look at the theories in the same way I look at Super Bowl pools: sure, you don't NEED to get into it to enjoy the game but it does enhance the experience.

Quote from: picolas on May 26, 2006, 01:51:32 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on May 25, 2006, 05:38:16 PM
I'm actually glad for that. Think about it, if they had nothing to go back to, then who gives a shit what happens to them and if they get off the island?
when they or some of them get off the island in the last episode they find out and it somehow explains how the plane crashed was how it would've been great.

Too Planet of the Apes.  Granted, the uncertainty that the world was not there anymore was cool but if the world wasn't exactly as it was when they left, it would have been just as bad as a St. Elsewhere snowglobe. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 26, 2006, 10:18:06 AM
SPOILERS
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Ok so here is the thing... I have a lot of unanswered questions of course. It was crazy because I watched it on the plane last night during a 9 hour flight, and I was dying to go online and read stuff here and see what everybody thought. I loved it. It was intense, even more for me being on the plane.

I was thinking about Libby... I dont remember any backstory of her and why she was in Australia or on the plane. Nothing also about  a dead husband. What I was thinking is, why if it was all planned that she worked for Widmore and her giving the boat to Desmond was a way to get him away from Penny? What if the plan was for him to get trapped there intentionally and dont come back? or maybe it had something to do with the book, Bad Twin. Widmore is the name of one of the characters, which is actually the guy that we see as Penny's father. He doesnt mention a daughter on the book, but two sons that are twins. One of course its kinda on a mission around the World. They are oposites. Etc... its all connected.

Weird, but it could be.I also read somewhere that somebody said that Libby's husband, Dave, was actually Hurley's imaginary friend. Could be. They also said that Libby's bad wig when she is with Desmond looked like "the Others" and their fake wigs and beards. It could somehow make sense?

I cant fucking wait until next season!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 26, 2006, 10:51:48 AM
any thoughts on the statue?

i was reading somewhere that it resembled the collossus of rhodes, which was broken off at the knee during an earthquake.


damn this show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 26, 2006, 11:15:19 AM
MCFARLANE TOYS GETS 'LOST'
Six Exclusive Action Figures Coming to Stores This Fall

McFarlane Toys will soon give Lost's legions of fans something new to obsess over. A series of Lost action figures is scheduled to be released late fall, 2006, and is destined to populate office cubicles around the country.

McFarlane Toys' Lost Series 1 captures six fan-favorite characters from the series' first season: Jack, Kate, Locke, Hurley, Charlie and Shannon. Each 6-inch Lost figure will have a detailed base and photographic backdrop, capturing an episode-specific moment in the character's story. In addition, each package will include a detailed prop reproduction central to the character's story, enabling fans to "own" a piece of the show's mythology. For example, Kate's figure will be packaged with a reproduction of the toy airplane that plays so prominently into her backstory. More than just action figures, McFarlane's Lost figures will once again raise the bar for fans and for the industry.

We will also be releasing Lost deluxe boxed sets -- re-creating key moments between multiple characters, and small-scale dioramas -- replicating central locations such as the mysterious island and the infamous hatch.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 26, 2006, 11:58:04 AM
I can't wait to play doctor with Kate.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 26, 2006, 01:15:46 PM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=36305
QuoteNext Season's Lost Sneaked

Producers of ABC's hit series Lost, which aired its surprising second-season finale on May 24, told SCI FI Wire that it sets up the upcoming third season, which will focus more on romance—and on the mysterious Others. "The Others are an important part of season three, and there's a lot of mysteries and a lot of questions about the Others that the audience is going to be curious about going into season three," said executive producer Carlton Cuse in an interview. "And those are the things we're going to explore."

Cuse added: "There will definitely be some new characters on the show next year. ... Obviously, Michael Emerson, who plays Henry Gale, he's someone who's going to be very prominent in the show next year." Fans were also introduced to a new character who promises to figure in next season's storylines: Penelope Widmore, played by Sonya Walger.

In the finale, viewers find out where Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) was, what happens when the button doesn't get pushed, why the plane crashed and the fate of Michael (Harold Perrineau) and Walt (Malcolm David Kelley). At the end, Jack (Matthew Fox), Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Sawyer (Josh Holloway) are prisoners of the Others. And Claire (Emilie de Ravin) gives Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) a kiss.

"I'm excited about love in season three," said executive producer Bryan Burk, adding: "Don't forget now the people have been on the island for 60-plus days. They're now obviously more familiar with each other. ... The concept of love [is there], and ... it weaves its way through all of our characters. It's going to be much more prevalent in season three."

Now that Lost has finished shooting, the season-three writers met recently for a "boot camp" in Hawaii, where they broke the main story arcs for next year. "It's fun, because we're still kind of following on a macro level the same trajectory that we talked about years ago," Burk said. "The details are changing on this, and new characters that we hadn't thought about are here, ... but what's fun is kind of the whole big journey is still kind of where we had originally talked about it. And it feels as I had always said from day one, when I was doing interviews in season one, I kept saying that the show doesn't really start kicking in for me until seasons two and three. ... Somebody smarter than me recently said in a TV Guide letter, ... 'If you think you're still watching a show about people who crashed on an island, you're watching another show.' There's a lot going on, and as we move forward, ... we're getting deeper into the center of the onion." —Patrick Lee, News Editor

Romance. Eh. Those were the scenes that made me cringe during the finale. Those and the sweet Unsolved-Mysteries-Dramitization effects/editing scene when Desmond got "captured."

More Henry Gale. Yes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 26, 2006, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on May 26, 2006, 10:51:48 AM
any thoughts on the statue?

That wasn't even fair, showing us something that mindfuckingly provocative, knowing that we won't get to pursue it until next season (and probably a little ways into next season, at that). 

"I don't know what's more disturbing: that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it only has four toes."

:shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 26, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 26, 2006, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 26, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.

.... and the polar bear, and the cable into the water, and how the pilot was placed in the trees, and where the smoke comes from, all these things and probably many more are shown and we probably will never get a clear cut reason/answer for any of them.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 26, 2006, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: edison on May 26, 2006, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 26, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.

.... and the polar bear, and the cable into the water, and how the pilot was placed in the trees, and where the smoke comes from, all these things and probably many more are shown and we probably will never get a clear cut reason/answer for any of them.

Well I'm rewatching the first season from the pilot onward, and I'm hypocritically formulating theories to justify what's going on. The smoke/stomping monster can't be some manmade thing. I think it's a manifestation of certain strandees emotions. I know this is an old theory, but it plays into why Hanso would want to do experiments on the island. Equally, the idea of manifestations explain the polar bear (and why they're testing Walt), and why Eko and Locke both confronted the monster and survived.

Cable in the water? I don't remember that. The pirate ship, I thought that was part of Rousseau's group? I must be wrong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 26, 2006, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: Gamblour le flambeur on May 26, 2006, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: edison on May 26, 2006, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 26, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.

.... and the polar bear, and the cable into the water, and how the pilot was placed in the trees, and where the smoke comes from, all these things and probably many more are shown and we probably will never get a clear cut reason/answer for any of them.

Well I'm rewatching the first season from the pilot onward, and I'm hypocritically formulating theories to justify what's going on. The smoke/stomping monster can't be some manmade thing. I think it's a manifestation of certain strandees emotions. I know this is an old theory, but it plays into why Hanso would want to do experiments on the island. Equally, the idea of manifestations explain the polar bear (and why they're testing Walt), and why Eko and Locke both confronted the monster and survived.

Cable in the water? I don't remember that. The pirate ship, I thought that was part of Rousseau's group? I must be wrong.

the cable appeared in the episode when Sayid ran off because he was ashamed for torturing Sawyer and as he is walking on the beach he comes upon the cable which he follows it into the jungle which leads to Rousseau
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 27, 2006, 02:02:05 AM
What the Dickens?
Entertainment Weekly's Doc Jensen's post-finale ''Lost'' theory: Here's why Desmond and his lady love are crucial to the story -- and what ''Our Mutual Friend'' has to do with it

In the brief time that I've been in the Lost theorizing business, I've thrown a lot of ideas at you. The History Rubric. (Still looking good after the season finale, even if I was wrong about finding a landing strip.) The Evil Aaron Hypothesis. (Looking shaky, though some elements remain viable.) The Human Extinction Argument. (Looking rather endangered, since the last scene of the finale established that there is indeed life outside The Island.)

But now that the second season of the show has come to an end, I have come to a conclusion, myself. Not just about the second season, but about all of Lost. It's my ultimate theory, and from here on out, my intention is to fold all my Lost thinking into this Big Picture framework. Consider this, then, my ''One Ring to Rule Them All'' concept of Lost.

I call it the All You Need Is Love (and Desmond) Theory of Lost.

Sound corny? Maybe... as corny as Desmond proclaiming, ''And I will win this race for love!''? Maybe... as corny as Desmond announcing, ''I have to get my honor back!''?

Fine. Call it corny, but I'm nutty for the idea. And I think I'm right. With its season finale, Lost revealed its true identity: It's actually a gloriously old-fashioned, ridiculously idealistic romantic epic. But the Romeo and Juliet of this love story aren't Jack and Kate (but I did love their non-verbal Han/Leia ''I love you''/''I know'' nod-and-blink exchange — a fittingly coy way to end the show's bad-guy-triumphant Empire Strikes Back season), or Charlie and Claire (that kiss — an abrupt turnabout in their relationship, don't you think?), or Jin and Sun (even though their relationship is Lost's main source of human grounding).

No: The star-crossed lovers of Lost are Desmond and Penelope Widmore, the English heiress whose powerful and possibly Dharma Initiative-connected father Arthur Widmore (see: the Lost tie-in book Bad Twin) seems determined to make sure that his daughter and the lovelorn hatchman will never, ever be together.

In fact, you can forget Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, and the dozen other characters that we've come to know intimately well over the past two years. When Lost is all said and done, it will stand exposed as the story of Desmond and Penelope, two people we barely know, and the lengths these crazy kids will go to in order to be together again — and the lengths to which Daddy Big Bucks will go to keep them apart.

In my view, Desmond/Penelope has suddenly become the defining narrative thread of Lost. Everything else is a subplot within that larger context. I know this is a peculiar argument to make, since until now, Desmond has technically been a supporting character in the larger Jack arc, and a mere footnote in the broader island mythology. And who knows? Maybe he'll remain a marginal figure in terms of total screen time.

But Lost can be all about Desmond and Penelope even if it isn't literally all about Desmond and Penelope. Just ask Desmond's favorite author, Charles Dickens. A Tale of Two Cities is a great example of a cast-of-thousands opus whose two main protagonists don't truly emerge until the second act of the novel. Desmond's progress in the season finale from a cynical, self-pitying drunken sot to an idealistic, self-sacrificing romantic hero reminded me of Two Cities' Sydney Carton; and as Desmond turned the fail-safe key in the final moments, I recalled Carton's famous final worlds: ''It is a far, far better thing than I do than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.''

As for Dickens' Our Mutual Friend — which Desmond designated as the last book he intended to read before he died — I must confess, I haven't read it. But my understanding is that the novel is a mosaic of characters and incidents, much like Lost. Moreover, the character that could be classified as its chief protagonist, the presumed-dead John Harmon, haunts Dickens' last completed work like a phantom; one source dubs Harmon the ''absent center'' of the story. That's a great description of how I view Desmond: He's the absent center of Lost. (At least, absent until now.)

By the way: I am told that the Big Twist in Our Mutual Friend — SPOILER ALERT! — is that Harmon adopts a new identity for the purpose of clandestinely evaluating the moral fiber of a woman whom he has to marry in order to claim his inheritance. Tests of character, subversive surveillance, false identities — that's Lost, too, isn't it? (Could it be that Arthur Widmore actually sent Desmond to the Island to test his worthiness as a husband to his daughter?)

[A tangent, but a relevant and maybe important one: Just like John Locke, Desmond's name could be another densely coded reference that Lost is becoming famous for. First of all, Desmond connects you to Desmond Morris, the writer, controversial scientist, and surrealist painter. His books The Human Zoo and Manwatching could be Dharma source texts. And then there's Desmond's last name — Hume. Did you all catch it on the envelopes of all the letters he had written to Penelope? Hume links you to yet another important philosopher, David Hume, who was influenced by John Locke, and who was also concerned with issues of ethics, identity, free will, and determinism. You know, the essential Lost themes.]

Lest I've crashed your brain with potentially wrong-headed references, I'd like to suggest one more possible Lost link. It's the main reason for the title of this theory. Anyone remember The Prisoner? If you've never seen this landmark cult pop series from the 1960s, spend the summer break from Lost becoming obsessed with it. In the infamous final episode of The Prisoner, Number Six has his own character-defining, key-turning moment. Moreover, he inspires a bloody revolt against his mysterious captors that plays out to the tune of the Beatles ''All You Need Is Love.'' The complicated and deeply symbolic climax of the show offers both an endorsement and critique of 1960s counterculture... but that's an essay for another time. The idea I want to leave you with today — an idea I promise to unpack in a future Doc Jensen column — is that Desmond is the Number Six of Lost, albeit an ironic version of the character. Like Number Six, he embodies the romantic pursuit of idealism in a marked-by-cynicism, dogmatic culture war, and manipulative power politics. But again: an essay for another time.

Regardless, here's my bottom line (for now): With the season finale's emphasis on Desmond, and with other Lost media suggesting that Desmond's Widmore-colored backstory is intertwined with the Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative mythology, a profound shift in focus has occurred: Lost is the Desmond-and-Penelope show now. And I think the series will be better for it. By introducing a more embraceable romantic hero to root for, and by recontextualizing the entire Lost saga around a more emotional narrative arc, the producers have given us something that we kinda desperately needed: a more conventional rubric for their unconventional ideas. The Desmond/Penelope storyline opens up the show and suggests new possibilities, not the least of which is this: the prospect of a happy ending. Through Desmond and Penelope, Jack and company now have reason to hope.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 01, 2006, 02:47:25 AM
Lost S2 Finds DVD in October
The series hatches a second season set in Oct.

On October 3, 2006, Buena Vista Home Entertainment will release Lost - The Complete Second Season on a seven disc DVD set. The long-awaited release will contain every single episode from the revered second season of the mystery/drama, and will be packed to the rim with bonus materials and extra features. It will be available for the MSRP of $59.99.

The Lost - The Complete Second Season DVD will feature the following bonus materials:

*Lost Connections
*Lost: On Location
*The Lost Flashbacks
*Secrets of the Hatch
*Lost Bloopers
*Deleted Scenes
*Fire and Water: Anatomy of an Episode
*Audio Commentaries and more

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 04, 2006, 10:59:33 AM
LOST TO BE TURNED INTO A MOVIE?
(www.wenn.com)

The makers of LOST want to end the hit TV show after a maximum of five years and are planning a feature-length movie spin-off.
Co-creator DAMON LINDELOF is so worried producers and studio executives will drag the show out he is making his opinion on the matter clear now.
He says, "We'd love to end the show after four year, five years tops and do a movie."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on July 05, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
Thats if they can make it stay this good for 3 more years... which is not easy.

What is with the DVD release on October? The season will probably start in September... and the point is that people who havent seen the show have a chance to catch up before the new season begins... I dont get that release date.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on July 05, 2006, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: kal on July 05, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
Thats if they can make it stay this good for 3 more years... which is not easy.

What is with the DVD release on October? The season will probably start in September... and the point is that people who havent seen the show have a chance to catch up before the new season begins... I dont get that release date.

i'm pretty sure it starts a week after the dvd release.  it's different now because they're splitting the season into two parts, which sucks because you have wait longer but is nice because once new episodes start there wont be any reruns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on July 05, 2006, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: kal on July 05, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
Thats if they can make it stay this good for 3 more years... which is not easy.

Well, on the special features of season 1, they talk about how they know the story arc through a fifth season. So hopefully, that means it will be fucking great the entire time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 22, 2006, 10:15:43 PM
Lost Season 3 Scoops From Comic-Con!
Source: Coming Soon

"Lost" co-creator/executive producer Damon Lindelof, executive producers Bryan Burk and Carlton Cuse, and stars Jorge Garcia (Hugo) and Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) attended the San Diego Comic-Con today and talked about the upcoming season three starting on October 4. The presentation was briefly interrupted by a planned protestor, a Rachel Blake, who yelled at them for supporting the Hanso Foundation and told people to go to HansoExposed.com.

Here are the highlights of what they said!

- Season three will have a vastly different feeling, but at the same time reembrace the roots of the series.

- Season three will focus more on adventure.

- The first six episodes in the fall will be like a mini-series and focuses on the captivity story of Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

- We'll learn more about The Others and Alex's story.

- An event will happen mid-season that will blow people away!

- J.J. Abrams will co-write the first episode which is titled "The Tale of Two Cities." He'll also direct the seventh episode, which is the first episode of the second half of the third season (early next year).

- They are going to reveal what happened to Locke, Desmond and Echo.

- They are adding new regular characters, which they are casting for now.

- You'll see more scenes from the outside world (taking place at the same time they are on the island).

- Desmond and Penny's relationship forms a new seed for a new element in the series.

- Libby will be back to fill in the gaps.

- Within the first few episodes Kate "gets with someone".

- They are going to explain the medical miracles.

- They debunked the rumor that the monster is a cloud nanobot.

- The hyroglypics on the countdown clock are signs of the underworld.

- They have 4 to 5 seasons planned out, and they knew the beginning and ending from the start. Going beyond 5 seasons would be stretching it, they said.

- If they introduce a question on the show, they already know the answer.

- They do look at fans' reactions and that does affect how they do things on the show.

- They showed a promo for the 13 "Lost" diaries that will be on Verizon, which featured Hugo finding a camera and interviewing people on the island.

- A "Lost" game from Ubisoft is coming next year which features a new story.

- On the season two DVD, you can expect one feature which has all of Sawyer's famous lines!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on July 23, 2006, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on July 22, 2006, 10:15:43 PM
- Within the first few episodes Kate "gets with someone".

Oh, I hope it's me...   :love:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 25, 2006, 04:37:17 PM
"Lost" Lands New Star, Reveals Numbers

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Lost has added another bad guy to the island mix. Or, actually, he could be a good guy. Really, the odds are 50-50 either way.

Rodrigo Santoro, the South American import dubbed by press as the "Brazilian Tom Cruise"--a reference to his heartthrob status only and not to any off-screen antics--is joining the cast of the Emmy-snubbed drama next season.

It's unknown whether Santoro, who acted as theatrical eye candy opposite Laura Linney in Love, Actually and Demi Moore in Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, will be a regular addition to the cast or simply a recurring character, though neither would be a guarantee of his character's longevity.

Show producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof remained characteristically mum on the details of the 30-year-old actor's role, confirming the casting to TVGuide.com, but refusing to divulge whether Santoro's alter ego will be an Other, part of a character's flashback or a member of the off-island world.

"We don't really want to be at all specific about what we're doing with the character or what he's going to play," Cuse told TVGuide.com. "Part of the surprise and the enjoyment of watching the show is sort of getting a chance to meet a new character and see how his role is going to unfold in relation to the rest of the cast."

Still, says Cuse, Santoro, who is so critically lauded in his native country that "Brazilian Tom Hanks" may be a more accurate nickname, will play against the expectation of his character, at least in terms of his pinup-worthy looks.

"The ladies like it when he takes his shirt off--not to say he'll be competing with Sawyer in that category," Lindelof told the Website. "On Lost, what you see is never what you get."

Despite his more than established career abroad, Lindelof said Santoro's relative anonymity Stateside made him an ideal match for the show.

While the producers clammed up about the show's new character, they did shed some light on what's coming up for some of the old ones.

The writer-producers spoke about the upcoming third season at San Diego's Comic-Con Saturday.

Cuse said the run-up to the season's first hiatus--the show takes a 13-week break after the airing of its first six episodes--"will look a little like a miniseries." Lindelof added, "Something happens midway through the year that will fry everybody's brain."

The Lost masterminds also said that they'll be amping up the adventure elements of the show this season and will revisit the off-island world they tapped into with the season finale.

"We're laying the seeds for a whole new element," Cuse said.

As for the characters themselves, Desmond, played by lone Lost Emmy nominee Henry Ian Cusick, will return. Lindelof also promises that the two-seasons-strong love triangle among Kate (Evangeline Lilly), Jack (Matthew Fox) and Sawyer (Josh Holloway) will have a resolution.

"Within the first six episodes, she'll be officially making her selection," he said.

Meanwhile, fans of Hurley (Jorge Garcia) will be happy to know that the lovelorn island dweller will be getting some extra face time, albeit on the very small screen.

Producers will be rolling out 13 two-minute mobisodes--i.e., mobile phone episodes--through Verizon this fall titled The Lost Diaries. The series will focus on Hurley as he finds a video camera--that Dharma Initiative really did think of everything--and chronicles different events on the island.

"It has been hard to get it off the ground because we don't want them to be...lame," Lindelof said.

It's proving to be a banner week for Lost fans. As if details of the new season spilling out weren't enough, one of the show's most-hyped mysteries will soon be solved.

The Lost Experience, the online interactive game launched last spring to give fans clues to the island, will spill the meaning behind Hurley's lottery numbers--4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42--which are prevalent throughout the show. Their importance will be revealed to gamers who complete the third phase of the challenge.

The show's third-season premiere, "A Tale of Two Cities," airs Oct. 4.
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Post by: MacGuffin on July 28, 2006, 10:50:17 AM
Mitchell on 'Lost' patrol for season
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Elizabeth Mitchell has joined the cast of ABC's hit drama "Lost" as a regular.

Mitchell will play Juliet on the Emmy-winning series from Touchstone TV and studio-based Bad Robot Prods. Details about Mitchell's character are being kept under wraps, but some sources indicate that Juliet might be a new love interest for Jack (Matthew Fox).
 
Mitchell is one of two regular players "Lost" has added for next season. Brazilian actor Rodrigo Santoro signed on to co-star on the series this week.

The actress, who most recently co-starred in NBC's drama pilot "Haskett's Chance," next will be seen opposite Tim Allen in the feature "The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause."

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on July 28, 2006, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Lucid on July 28, 2006, 09:37:34 PM
What a great incentive for me to finally start watching the show.  I should probably catch up on the first two seasons to fully appreciate it by the time Santoro comes along this fall.
if it takes some douche bag to get you to start watching the best show on television you should probably not bother and just buy girl teen mags instead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on July 28, 2006, 11:42:51 PM
Go rent Love Actually and have all the giggly moments you want.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 16, 2006, 04:33:59 PM
Lost Cast & Crew on Season Three
Source: The Associated Press

The cast and crew of ABC's "Lost" gathered at the Turtle Bay Resort in Oahu, Hawaii on Tuesday to mark the release of the DVD set, "Lost: The Complete Second Season - The Extended Experience," available in stores on September 5. Here are a few interesting clips from The Associated Press about the event:

"The hatch has definitely had its moment," confirmed executive producer Bryan Burk, referring to the mysterious underground bunker that was the set for much of the series' second-season drama. "Lets just say it was one big explosion."

As for the story: If the first season was all about the original plane-crash survivors adjusting to their new lives on a deserted island, and the second season was all about the so-called "tailies" (those who were in the tail of the plane, whom the originals had thought were dead), "this year," Lilly said, "we've opened this up to another whole other people, a whole other location, a whole other facet through which we can tell stories."

Michael Emerson, who plays the leader of "The Others" group, noted, "What I know is that we get to go live with The Others, where they learn a little more about their life and, hopefully, their mission, their agenda, whatever that might be. Maybe we'll get to warm up to them."

Producer Burk promised that many of the second season's looming questions would be answered in the first six episodes.

Cuse said the new season will include more action and adventure, and that new characters could well serve as love interests. And, he added, Sawyer (Holloway) and Jack (Matthew Fox) will definitely be competing for the romantic affections of Kate (Lilly).

"Lost" returns to ABC on October 4.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 17, 2006, 12:15:17 AM
The 'Lost' cast answers your questions
Source: USA Today

Last week, we challenged you to come up with questions for the Lost cast that would make them think, yet not incur the wrath of their overlords. USA TODAY's William Keck passed your inquiries along to the stars at Tuesday's Season 2 DVD party. Here's what the castaways had to say:

Terry O'Quinn (Locke)

Q: Will the third season see more of the "omnipotent Locke," the "easily manipulated Locke" or perhaps a side we haven't seen before?— Jerry Darby

A: "I don't think they're going to go back; it's an evolution. Locke and I were frustrated last season. He thought he was seeking the meaning of life, but then found this thing where he had to push this button every few minutes, which wasn't very satisfying. He's got to move on. He's got to find his place in this family. He's looking for someone else to acknowledge him in such a way that will define him to himself."

Josh Holloway (Sawyer)

Q: I am a Lost fan from Norway and Sawyer is my favorite character. My question is do you think Sawyer will ever find out who the REAL Mr. Sawyer is?" — Maryann Bjordal

A: "I hope so. I hope they answer that. I want to see where that plays out. I want to see him face that guy. Maybe it's the bearded guy (Mr. Friendly) on the island. There are probably lots of interesting twists to come in the Sawyer flashbacks."

Daniel Dae Kim (Jin)

Q: Which role (besides your own) would you like to play if you had the opportunity to pick?— Sports_Playa

A: "Good question. I like different sides of a lot of characters. Locke has a very fantastic mysterious side. Eko has this spiritual side to him. And Jack has this conflicted heroism. And I love the character I play too!"

JORGE GARCIA: "I enjoy the lines that Sawyer gets. As far as the memorable lines on the show, I think its between him and Hurley."

Jorge Garcia (Hurley)

Q: "If Lost were a reality show, which character do you think would still be standing (not voted off) on the last episode and why?"— Tonya Parker Morrison

A: "I have no idea. It's stupid to say Hurley, but why wouldn't I vote for myself? He's fairly well liked. I think it would be cool to see him lead a little more this season. There is going to be a need for people to take charge, and the opportunity may be there for him to do it."

Q: Your character came this close to hooking up with Cynthia Watros last season. Did you lose an on-set bet that she got killed off before the big romantic scene?— Ray Bradley

A: "That romance was fun. It meant a lot to me because a guy my size usually doesn't get a love interest in a prime time show. It was a special thing as far as breaking categories. I'm curious how this tragedy may effect him — and finding out that Michael was the cause. There may be some kind of change in him — perhaps more stoic. Or maybe vengeful."

Bryan Burk (producer)

Q: (Among) the background people that haven't been speaking, have any of them actually moved into speaking roles or do they just bring in new people and pretend that they were in the background all along?" — Michael Riordan

A: "We use a lot of the same atmosphere people. There are people there who are still there from the pilot, wearing the same outfits from when the plane crashed. We keep referencing Scott and Steve— one of them has died, but I'm not sure if the writers even know which one anymore. There were two actors playing Scott and Steve, but we believe they switched names along the way... It's absolutely possible that these people could get lines. Who gets lines changes on a minute by minute basis. One of our editors ended up getting a role in the first episode."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 22, 2006, 07:36:07 PM
Interview: Michael Giacchino
The Lost composer chats about his Season Two score, forthcoming Season Three cues and creating a consistent body of work.

Michael Giacchino is quickly becoming one of the leading composers in the TV, film and video game industry. After making his debut with the score for the Lost World: Jurassic Park video game in 1997, he has worked steadily for some of the biggest names in the entertainment industry, providing the music for projects including Alias, The Incredibles and Lost. His longtime collaboration with J.J Abrams continues in coming projects with Abrams' forthcoming Star Trek XI film; but in the meantime, he is currently celebrating the release of Lost Season Two on DVD.

During the recent red carpet event launching the Lost set, Giacchino spoke to IGN DVD about his work on Seasons One, Two and Three. In addition to discussing his general creative process, Giacchino talked at length about his work on the show, and spilled his feelings about the burden of bringing new sounds to this spectacular series.

IGN DVD: By Season Two, a lot of the show's leitmotifs or audio cues have been pretty firmly established. What's the challenge in terms of moving from one season to the next and expand that musical palette?

Michael Giacchino: Well, this year it was kind of fun to expand it with Henry Gale, and also expand it into the whole Others thing. I mean, the Others were revealed slowly, kind of more and more to us in Season Two, and what started off as a very simple motif for them slowly developed into something more complicated. It's just this thing that kind of naturally happens that as they unfold the story I'm able to then glean more out of that, get more inspiration from it and start adding to what I'm doing. But the simpler and more cryptic it is, the more simple I stay, and that's just kind of a natural way of working on the show. But it is a challenge, and to find new ways to use Locke's music, new ways to use, you know, Charlie or Hurley - all of those guys - it's always a challenge to try to find [something new], but you also don't want to be too different because that's their thing. That's who they are and that's what they are. It's kind of like following an opera.

IGN: You've been very busy in recent years doing Alias, Lost and The Incredibles to name just a few projects, and are creating a canon like that of Danny Elfman - a certain sound that people identify with your work. What's the challenge for you moving from one project to the next and being able to do something new while not straying too far from what people associate with your work?

Giacchino: It is tough, but hopefully what I always try to do is create either an orchestral set-up that is different from every [other project]. I mean, if you look at Alias, the Alias orchestra is completely different from what the Lost orchestra is, so they have different sounds to them. When I was a kid I used to play this game where I would listen to my parents watch TV in the other room and I would listen to the shows and try to figure out what shows they were watching just by listening to the music. Certain shows were very easy to figure out because they had a specific orchestration set up, and other shows were kind of nebulous and they sounded like other shows. So for us, every time we do one of these new shows or do a film for me the first job is, okay, what's the orchestra going to be, and how is that going to relate to the story, and everything that is going on in the film or TV show. We create a sound that is unique to that, and hopefully once I'm done, like if you're listening to Lost, it doesn't sound like any show on TV. Or if you're watching Alias, it sounds like you're watching Alias and not something you've heard a million times before.

IGN: How different is scoring for film as opposed to scoring for TV?

Giacchino: It's the same thing. People ask me all of the time: what is it like for games, what is it like for TV, what is it like for film. They're all unbelievably similar, you know? Television has not as big a budget as film does, [so] most of the differences are financial and schedule. But as far as creativity goes, they're all very similar. You're always trying to find the story. That's the main goal - just find that story.

IGN: At the end of last season, and now the beginning of Season Three, there's a lot of stuff going on with the core cast members and the Others. What was your first challenge when you came back to work on the show?

Giacchino: This year? I haven't even seen an episode yet, so it will probably be some time mid-September when I actually see something. I've like been kind of saying, 'don't tell me, don't tell me', so the honest answer is I'm not sure yet. I'll find out as soon as they send it to me and I can kind of figure out what the heck I'm supposed to do with [the material].

IGN: Do you prefer not to know what is going to happen from one episode to the next?

Giacchino: Yes. I definitely prefer not to know.

IGN: Is that as a viewer or for creating the music?

Giacchino: Just for creating the music. For me, it's like if something happens to you in life - like if your girlfriend breaks up with you, you're going to react emotionally a certain way. If she comes back to you and breaks up with you again you're going to be like, 'okay, we did this already'. So you're not going to react the same way. So when I'm watching the show, I like to kind of get the gut reaction down and write the gut reaction rather than write the reaction now that I've watched it a bunch of times because I feel in initial more than any other it's so important to just be in the moment of what's going on. Because it is a show that you could argue that it's crazy, it makes no sense and could never ever happen, but as long as you're in the moment of the story, I think that you're able to pull people in and think, 'well, maybe this is really happening'.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 23, 2006, 01:14:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on August 24, 2006, 12:36:03 PM
looks like everyone's getting new glass eyes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 08:21:25 PM
Interview: Michael Emerson
Lost's Henry Gale creeps us out on the red carpet.

Among the many conflicted characters on TV's Lost, there are seemingly none as complex as Henry Gale. This mysterious stranger ventured into the survivors' lives last season as an enigma, seemingly appearing from nowhere with enough tales to take the cast from here to Kansas. His true identity as one of the Others was soon discovered by Sayid, Locke, and the rest, but not before actor Michael Emerson provided the other characters - much less the audience - with enough doubts to sustain their suspension of judgment.

Emerson is a stage actor who in recent years has enjoyed a number of roles on both the small and big screen. In addition to his stint on Lost, he previously appeared in the Adrian Lyne film Unfaithful, in a recurring role on The Practice, and perhaps most memorably to IGN readers in the original Saw as one of the agents of Jigsaw's twisted imagination. IGN spoke to Emerson at the launch party for the Lost Season Two DVD release, where he offered a few insights both about his character and the approach he takes in rendering these remarkably distinctive and frequently frightening characters.

IGN DVD: So do you think Henry Gale has a place to be redeemed this season?

Michael Emerson: Oh, yes. You mean will he rise in the sympathy system of the viewership? Yes, I think he will.

IGN: How so?

Emerson: I think not by changing his fundamental character by us perceiving him afresh by virtue of context or new circumstances. I think the more we see of what his day to day problems are, what his agenda is, the better we will like him. I'm not saying we'll really, really like him.

IGN: It seems like everybody on the show is guilty of something. What do you think Henry gale is guilty of?

Emerson: I don't know. Hubris? Arrogance? Over-education? I don't know what it could be (laughs).

IGN: Prior to this you were known for being in Saw. What draws you to these 'creepy' characters?

Emerson: A better question might be what is it about those characters that appeals to audiences, or an even better question is why do audiences perceive them as creepy? Let's say I got to the studio one day and I play it in neutral - I don't make any judgment about the character or the material or anything. And then when it comes out and it's all chopped together and there's music and stuff, people go 'my God that's scary!' But I don't know what the scary element is. I don't know if it's something in me. I don't know if it's in the playing of it or the perceiving of it. It's an interesting issue, though.

IGN: Now that viewers know who you are, how much did you know when you first came in - and how much did you adjust your performance to sort of play to the ambiguity of the role?

Emerson: I had no idea who he was or where they were going with it, nor did we take any story meetings or anything like that. It was just show up on the set and say these words, and I was sort of winging it, but I think maybe they were evolving an idea of the character as well. So they watched how I solved little problems and they thought 'ah- maybe that's alright'. So maybe we've all grown into the role a little bit or found a direction for it by, I don't know, accident partly. But no, there was never much discussion about the story or the arc or anything like that. It's really interesting.

IGN: Did that absence of direction make it harder or easier to create the character?

Emerson: I was sort of relieved. It sort of lets me just play around with the thing. I get to just come in and act instinctively, a little bit - which is a dangerous thing, probably. I wouldn't want to overdo it on the instincts. But it has all gone alright so far, which is not to say that every part you ever get works out very smoothly, because some times even the smallest parts are like pushing a big rock up a steep hill - none of it seems to be right. But this one has always felt good, I have to say.

IGN: How familiar were you with Lost before you joined the cast?

Emerson: It was on every Wednesday in our home because my wife is a Lostaholic, but I would watch most of them. I would be doing housework and stuff passing through the living room, so I was pretty well caught up on it, but once I got the job then of course I had to cram a little bit.

IGN: Who would you say is your favorite character?

Emerson: I know my wife likes Locke, but she likes Sayid too. I don't know - there's so many likeable characters to choose from. You've got to love Locke, though; he's a sturdy fellow and you feel sympathy with him. You feel like you're in good hands.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 24, 2006, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: Michael Emerson
my wife is a Lostaholic
also alcoholic.

Quote from: Michael Emerson
I would be doing housework and stuff
cos his wife is an alcoholic.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 11:38:08 PM
Cusick carries lone Emmy torch for 'Lost' cast
Source: USA TODAY

LANIKAI, Hawaii —Lost's sole acting Emmy nominee, Henry Ian Cusick, may have lost out at last weekend's Creative Arts Emmy Awards, where he was up for guest actor on a drama series. But he has plenty to celebrate: a new marriage, a new beach home and a series regular spot playing Desmond in the hit ABC drama's third season (premiering Oct. 4, 9 p.m. ET/PT).

This August afternoon is moving-in day for Cusick, a UK import whose mysterious Lost character also hails from the UK. Desmond attended medical school and survived a military prison before ending up shipwrecked on the island, where he spent three years in the hatch pushing a button to stave off a cataclysmic event.

Cusick says it wasn't that bad. "I am very happy with my own company. I could just about cope with being in the hatch myself."

The actor's account of how he thinks he got the role sounds like a Lost character's crossover flashback. Cusick happened to be staying at the home of actor friend Brian Cox (X2: X-Men United), who lives next door to Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse. Cusick says he met Cuse briefly and believes "a seed (was) planted, because they had been looking for either a Scottish or Irish character."

Cusick, who is of Scottish and Peruvian descent, is super casual on the day before reporting to work on Lost's Hawaii set, wearing swim trunks and T-shirt, his hair long and face unshaven.

It soon becomes clear that there's not much he is allowed to say — or maybe even knows — about his new season story line. "Desmond has an underlying faith in something," he says. And he describes his character as "a decent man who has been dealt some bad ones but keeps on going."

He might have good reason to hang on: Desmond was revealed in last season's finale to be the island's link to the outside world.

Desmond's wealthy girlfriend, Penelope "Penny" Widmore (played by Sonya Walger, who producers say will return), received a late-night phone call informing her of the island's whereabouts in the finale's final moments. Cusick speculates that Penny may be Desmond's "driving force."

For the past 14 years, Cusick's own heart has belonged to former London theater director Annie Wood, whom the actor wed on July 15. It was a small, civil ceremony that was more practical than romantic, says Cusick, the son of a minister and nephew of a priest who once considered attending seminary.

"American law doesn't acknowledge common-law wives, so Annie had no legal standing in the States," explains Cusick, 39. "We had to get married for the visa (or) Annie would have had to come and go every three months."

They have three sons, all of whom sport Dad's long, messy hair. Judging by their playful behavior this afternoon, Eli, 12, Lucas, 8, and Esau, 6, are adjusting to American life in their rented home. (Cusick chose not to buy, having heard that "anyone who buys here seems to get killed off" the show.)

"They're so hyper," says Cusick, excited that his wife has arrived with boxes of the family's clothes. "How fantastic is it to live and work in Hawaii? We haven't even unpacked, and the boys have already jumped in the pool in their underpants."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 27, 2006, 11:56:06 PM
Interview: Terry O'Quinn
Locke lets us in on a few Lost secrets.

As Locke on the hit series Lost, Terry O'Quinn is certainly one of the cast's venerated elders, dispensing common sense and philosophy in almost equal measures. But off screen, the actor is equally experienced - and after more than 25 years as an actor, he should be. His previous roles include turns in such films as Heaven's Gate, Silver Bullet, Young Guns, and The Stepfather, where he played the malevolent paterfamilias not once but twice.

Today, however, O'Quinn has found a relatively secure gig on Lost - not the least of which because he is one of the show's most-loved characters; even his fellow cast members pick Locke as their favorite. IGN recently spoke to O'Quinn during the launch party for the Lost Season Two DVD; in addition to offering insights about who is his favorite character, O'Quinn talks at length about his experience playing Locke, being a button-pusher, and properly enjoying his forthcoming action figure.

IGN DVD: What is the one thing you wish you could have found in the hatch besides the tires for your car?

Terry O'Quinn: Obviously Locke wished he could have found the meaning of his life in the hatch. That's what he was looking for - his job, his destiny, his task, his meaning, and it turned out to be pushing a button and he found that very disappointing.

IGN: Have you ever been a button pusher in real life?

O'Quinn: A button-pusher? No. Never. I've been doing this since I was in college and before that I did nothing. The button pushing was a whole new experience for me and I found it very dissatisfying and I was unhappy for Locke. Locke was unhappy and I was very sympathetic.

IGN: Do you think Locke was frustrated because of his isolation of just pressing a button all the time?

O'Quinn: I think he was frustrated because he thought getting into the hatch and finding [what was in it] was going to give him some definition and was going to maybe be the answer to his life's work. It was kind of like the old man and the mountain: if he got up there he was going to get the answer and he was going to find some peace of mind and some meaning - something that would drive him forward. But it didn't.

IGN: Do you think he does next season?

O'Quinn: I don't know if he finds it, but I think he continues to seek it. I think he has to. I think he's driven and often to his detriment to hurt himself and hurt others simply to find 'why are we here?' only on a personal level. You know - he's asking that question: why am I here?

IGN: It seems everyone on the island is guilty of something and maybe that's why they're there. What is Locke guilty of?

O'Quinn: I don't know. Of a specific crime, I don't know. He's guilty of being a sucker, being too easy and wearing his heart on his sleeve. Of falling for anybody who comes along and anything. He's guilty of being too trusting, but on the other hand, it makes him innocent of everything because he wants to believe, he wants there to be magic, he wants things to be good.

IGN: Overall, how would you characterize your experience of working on Season Two compared to Season One?

O'Quinn: Season Two seemed to go by much more quickly in a way because the experience wasn't as varied. Season One was discovering this character and discovering all these little things - he knew so much and he was willing to relate things to people. And Season Two, he went down this hole and started pushing this button, and the magic seemed to go away. So Season Two seems to me like one long episode. In Season One were very specific talks and talking with people; I remember scenes, I remember talking with Jack about his leadership, talking to Sawyer about my sister, talking to Charlie about the drugs. I remember all of that very clearly. Season Two was all about pushing the button, I'm frustrated, I'm mad at this and I'm mad at Jack, Henry Gale is twisting my arm. It was the hatch, basically.

IGN: How much do you feel you've had some influence or inspiration to the writers in terms in contributing some of your own personality or some of your frustrations with what you would interpret into playing that character?

O'Quinn: I think plenty. I think the writers respond to what they see in the cast big time, not necessarily in terms of story points but certainly in terms of performance points and where they take the character. If they're going from point A to point B, they might let the character decide what B and C are, I mean the actor, to a certain extent, but they know they're going to get to D. So I think that the writers are influenced a good bit by the actors.

IGN: How do you feel about being an action figure?

O'Quinn: Well I haven't seen it. That was never one of dreams to be an action figure so I don't know. Somebody asked me if I hoped the action figure had props and I said yeah, a little gun to shoot himself (laugh). Or if you get one, buy him and release him in the garden with a little knife where he can hunt mice.

IGN: We've asked everyone so far who their favorite character is on the show and they've all said Locke. Who is your favorite character?

O'Quinn: Well I'd have to agree with all of them (laughs). I bow down to their superior intelligence. My favorite character to look at is Kate. I mean I love working with Sawyer, I love working with Dominic Monaghan, I love working with Matthew, I like working with Ian. It's a bunch of good actors. My favorite person to greet when I get to work that would have to be Evangeline. She's a great hugger.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 28, 2006, 07:52:30 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on August 27, 2006, 11:56:06 PM
IGN: How do you feel about being an action figure?
i'm so sick of this fucking question. it is number one on my list of dullest pieces of yawn inducing SHIT a person can be asked. if i ever get an action figure made of myself, god forbid, and it's televised, i can only wish, i will break it in half and throw the pieces at the camera and the interviewer. then i'll change the subject and continue the interview as if nothing happened.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on August 28, 2006, 09:37:38 PM
i wouldn't mind an action figure. it's a dumb question though. kind of like "how does it feel to WIN?" or "what were you thinking when you scored the goal?" or "you have won. (points mic at winner)"

reminds me of http://youtube.com/watch?v=5x8ARIxg51I&mode=related&search=
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 31, 2006, 12:42:58 PM
Interview: Evangeline Lilly
The luminous Lost leading lady talks about the Season Two DVD set, Season Three secrets and who Kate should be canoodling with.

Before 2004, Evangeline Lilly was a virtual unknown, having done almost no professional work to speak of as an actress. Two years later, she's a magazine cover girl, a highly-touted leading lady, and the star of one of the hottest television shows on the air: Lost. Suffice it to say she makes success look great, leaving the rest of us mere mortals floundering for her attention - especially when you're one of 20 journalists hoping to quiz her about the new Lost Season Two DVD set.

Thankfully, IGN did catch up to Lilly at the Season Two party, albeit not in traditional interview circumstances; a helpful publicist pulled her over to talk for just a few minutes, where she generously offered some insights about the past, present and future of Kate, her character on the show.
   
IGN: Compared to Season One, how would you characterize or differentiate your experience working on Season Two of Lost?

Lilly: Season Two was less stressful because I had a little experience and I had something to draw from. It was also less stressful because we had other people to share the load with us; bringing in the tailies, in my opinion, was such a great relief for us because it meant that other people were there to carry the load a little bit for us. I think that Season One was kind of special in that it was the inception and it was my first baby steps into the industry, and it was a trial by fire. But definitely I think Season Two was easier and I'm hoping Season Three gets even easier.

IGN: What in particular do you think will grab people on the DVDs?

Lilly: Well, the features are incredible. The bonus features are great for satisfying the real Lost geeks who follow the show, who follow the program, and people who are obsessed with theories and the ideas behind it. I mean, it's a whole thing, the logo on the show. For me, the best part of the DVD bonus features was the fact that it had the true stars of the show on there which are the crew and the writers and the directors and the producers. These are people who make or break the show completely and utterly and you get to see their faces and here them talk and see what it's like to make this show. They get into great detail about what it's like to make a show and I even learned things that I didn't know. I didn't know about how they color adjust the scenes in order to make sure that everything matches. I just assume that it goes and that they make it. But there is all these different things and there are people out there who are hungry for that information.

IGN: Do you have an opinion who Kate should end up with - Jack or Sawyer?

Lilly: I actually used to have an opinion for most of Season One and Two. I used to feel that Sawyer was better for Kate because they were on the level with each other. They were really compatible in the way that they mutually understood and respected each other and Jack was always a little above Kate, a little high and mighty for Kate. But I feel like Kate has grown enough in these two seasons that she's kind of on a level with both of them now. I feel like it could split either way and Kate will be fine.

IGN: Will one of those relationships blossom more in Season Three?

Lilly: I don't know. You'd have to ask the producers. I can't confirm or deny these rumors.

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

IGN: What are you looking forward to personally and professionally in Season Three?

Lilly: Personally, I'm looking forward to yet again settling a little bit farther into the idea of the lifestyle in this industry because that's something that's also new to me. For the first two years, the first one in particular, it was very stressful and it was very intense and I just like the idea that as every year goes by that intensity will mellow and I will be able to spend a little bit more time relaxing and enjoying the benefits of the job and the industry rather than constantly trying to play catch up and learn and grow.

IGN: Did working in Hawaii help you feel more comfortable moving into 'Hollywood'?

Lilly: Probably because I think that being isolated from the Hollywood world of premieres and red carpet events was probably good for me because I could ease into those at will and by my own choice. But in other aspects, when it comes to fanfare Hawaii is nuts and in L.A. they're all so jaded. They don't care. They see another star and it's like, 'oh yeah, we've seen a hundred of them before. You're a dime a dozen'. Which is a little bit easier to deal with.

IGN: Can we expect Kate to be with the Others at the start of Season Three based on what happened at the end of Season Two?

Lilly: I would expect so. So far what I have filmed has been fifty/fifty. I filmed my first episode with Henry Gale, my first scene, I mean, with Henry Gale which was really, really wonderful. I think that everyone knows that he's a fantastic actor and he's an utter gentleman in real life, but it was fun to work with a gentleman and have them call action and have him be this really, really creepy guy.

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

IGN: Has living in Hawaii changed the way you dress and live?

Lilly: Yeah, definitely it's changed. I can't wear scarves and boots and coats and hats anymore and I miss it like crazy. Of course I do. I'm a good Canadian girl. I miss all that good stuff. I miss tobogganing and I miss snowboarding, but I've also learned to surf and I've become a water baby which I used to be relatively terrified of the water and I kayak all the time now and I'm able to run year round on the beach which you can't obviously do in Canada. So there is all of that and it has been really great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on August 31, 2006, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on August 31, 2006, 12:42:58 PM
Interview: Evangeline Lilly

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

[...]

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

Not a bad interview. Here's to Kate canoodling with Jack.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on August 31, 2006, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on August 31, 2006, 12:42:58 PM
Before 2004, Evangeline Lilly was a virtual unknown, having done almost no professional work to speak of as an actress.
WHAT?  She was the spokeswoman for the #1 Chat Hotline in America!  Acting her ass off in those commercials seen nationwide!

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on August 31, 2006, 05:45:27 PM
What's worse is those aren't really all that attractive.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on September 01, 2006, 11:28:04 AM
Check this shit out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SomaRkeKD5c
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 03, 2006, 01:13:04 AM
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Best Buy exclusive!

Lost (Season 2) with an exclusive bonus disc containing "Reckoning," a complete 43-minute episode that catches viewers up on Season 2 through a narrated series of scenes from previous episodes. Other features on the bonus disc include:

*Lost on Location: "What Kate Did" and "The Other 48 Days" — behind-the-scenes looks at the making of two episodes, including cast and crew interviews. Gives the fans a chance to see just what it takes to make Lost a reality.
*Deleted scenes
*2 deleted-scene Easter eggs hidden in the menu
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 05, 2006, 09:26:29 PM
Eko of a Traffic Arrest

The Lost crew certainly know how to find themselves in traffic court.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who plays the possibly deceased drug lord-turned-faithful button pusher Mr. Eko, was arrested early Saturday morning in Waikiki, becoming the third cast member from the hit ABC show to be arrested on a traffic violation in the past year.

The 39-year-old Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who also starred in Get Rich or Die Tryin' and Oz, was picked up at 2:25 a.m. for disobeying a cop and driving without a license, after which he spent six hours in jail before posting $500 bail. He is scheduled to appear in district court Sept. 26.

The fact that Akinnuoye-Agbaje was on the island of Oahu at all is a pretty decent indicator that he'll be showing up for Lost's third season, despite his having been down in the hatch with Desmond and Locke as an electromagnetic force of indeterminate origin tore through the space and subjected everyone else on the island to a bright white light and a high-pitched noise.

Some of Eko's fellow Tailies haven't been so lucky. Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros, who also got more than a glimpse of the inside of a Hawaiian jail last year after being arrested on DUI charges, were both killed off of the show in May, victims of Michael's stop-at-nothing plan to find Walt.

Watros, who played mental patient/pretend-clinical psychologist Libby, and Rodriguez, who portrayed the surly Ana Lucia, failed sobriety tests within 15 minutes of each other Dec. 2 on Oahu's Pali Highway. Both were taken into custody and released on $500 bail.

But while Watros pleaded guilty to one DUI charge in January and received a fine and counseling and had her driver's license suspended for 90 days, Rodriguez had racked up two speeding tickets in Honolulu and was on probation for two driving-related incidents in Los Angeles. She ended up pleading guilty and opting to spend five days in a Hawaiian jail and cough up a $500 fine rather than do 240 hours of community service.

Back in L.A., Rodriguez admitted she had violated the terms of her probation and was sentenced to 60 days in county jail. Due to overcrowding and the fact that she was a nonviolent offender, however, the Fast and the Furious star was only locked up for four hours and 27 minutes on May 25 before she was sent on her merry, yet hopefully slower, way.

Lost's creators denied that Rodriguez's legal woes had anything to do with her character getting bumped off. Then again, if they reacted every time a cast member violated a law, there'd be no one left to discover just what the Others are up to. Except Walt, that is. He's too young to drive.

Per the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, at least six other castaways have had run-ins on the mean (and usually slow-moving) streets of Hawaii:

Sawyer: Josh Holloway paid $153 in fines for going 53 miles-per-hour in a 35 mph zone Sept. 21, 2005.
Charlie: Dominic Monaghan has had two speeding tickets that have ended up costing him $324 in fines. A citation issued Mar. 10 for driving without a valid license has since been dismissed.
Sayid: Naveen Andrews had to shell out $122 after breezing through a 45 mph zone at 70 mph Oct. 15, 2004. He then topped himself Mar. 9, 2005, going 70 in a 35 mph area. Andrews pleaded no contest and paid $232.
Boone: Ian Somerhalder was lucky to not meet the same fate as his Lost character after going 42 in a 25 mph zone. He shelled out $202 and landed a role in the wi-fi horror flick Pulse.
Steve: Flashback denizen Christian Bowman was fined $112 for going 53 mph in a 35 mph zone. He wrote a letter to the court and the citation was reduced to 48 mph.
Michael: Harold Perrineau Jr. got a ticket for having no car insurance and no safety check. Case dismissed after the actor was able to produce proof of insurance.


We think it's about time ABC cuts its losses and commissions a bus to ferry the large cast around.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2006, 01:33:48 AM
'Lost' soul mates
By Bill Keveney, USA TODAY

BURBANK, Calif. — Lost's second-season finale — "Live Together, Die Alone" — might be a good motto for the men who wrote it.

Longtime friends and executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof are at the center of the success of the third-season ABC drama (which returns Wednesday at 9 ET/PT). Their spinning of the tale of plane-crash survivors in an isolated world, and their miserly parceling out of clues to the island's mysteries, enthrall millions.

The creative partnership — forged by a call to Cuse when Lost's co-creator J.J. Abrams had to ease away to direct Mission: Impossible III— works because of, rather than despite, their contrasts on many levels.

Cuse, 47, who gave Lindelof his first TV writing job on Nash Bridges, is the mentor — tall, wearing a crisp oxford shirt and jeans, with an authoritative voice made for voice-overs. Lindelof, in Cuse's office as they review a script, is younger (33) and shorter — the protégé in jeans, purple T-shirt and Yankees cap. He has what he calls a "hyperbolic" nature, tempered by Cuse's calm.

Cuse, father of three, is the early bird, ticking off his tasks as the sun rises. Night owl Lindelof, sleep-deprived as a new first-time father, works in the wee hours. Both write, frequently together.

Lindelof enjoys spending three hours breaking down scenes in the editing room. Cuse is the problem solver, working out details with producers in Hawaii, where Lost is shot.

"We have complementary talents," Cuse says. But "we see the show very similarly. There's very little we don't fundamentally agree on, whether it's the direction of the show, the aesthetics or the stories we want to tell people."

The prospect of bringing an island world to life once terrified Lindelof. Now, they both say, the show has become its own entity. Cuse says it guides them like The Force in Star Wars. Lost "is bigger than us," says Lindelof. "It's like, when one of us has an idea, we feel that's what the show wanted us to do."

The Force obviously is with them:

•Lost has achieved cult-worship status, marked by numerous books and fan websites, with broad enough appeal to draw an average 15.4 million viewers (down 4% vs. Season 1) while facing No. 1 American Idol part of last year. It won an Emmy and Golden Globe for best drama; Abrams won a directing Emmy.

• It's the most popular ABC show on iTunes, with more than 8.5 million downloads. Sales of Season 1's DVD have topped 1.6 million copies, trailing only 24's first season among drama series, and the Season 2 set was No. 1 in sales for the first full week of September. This summer, Lost experimented with a multimedia Web hunt called The Lost Experience.

• The series spawned a wave of serialized mysteries that feature large casts, unite strangers or touch on otherworldly elements: Invasion, Surface and Threshold last year; Jericho, Heroes, Vanished and The Nine this fall.

To remain a success, Lindelof and Cuse say they need to make sure the characters come first. So far they've succeeded, says author Stephen King, whose apocalyptic The Stand influenced Lost.

"They're great storytellers," says King, a fan. "Very few TV show creators seem as able to convey the sense of awe the unknown causes in us, and the hold it has on our imaginations."

From conception to sensation

The concept for Lost— an island drama with elements of Castaway and Survivor — was devised late in the 2004-05 development season. Alias' Abrams, skilled in action and suspense, was set to make it. With the time constraints, Lindelof, an up-and-coming writer with an interest in sci-fi and comic books, came on.

He was "completely in sync" with Abrams, says Bryan Burk, a longtime Abrams associate who heads Lost's extensive post-production from the Disney lot. At their first meeting, "he walked in wearing a Star Wars fan club T-shirt. We're like, 'Hey, how are we not best friends already?' "

"Damon has an incredible sense of story," Abrams says. "We immediately clicked in terms of the importance of character and emotion." Presuming Lost was the longest of long shots, the pair decided to make the pilot they wanted, breaking traditional casting and plot rules.

The critical and audience reception confirmed others wanted it, too. But Abrams was taking on his first feature film directing assignment, and overseeing Alias and more pilots. And Lindelof was spooked by the looming challenge. "I quit the show three times," he says.

Cuse talked him out of leaving and eventually joined the show.

Lindelof "was suddenly, in my absence, besieged by all this stuff. Carlton provided the bolstering he desperately needed," says Abrams, who wrote Wednesday's premiere with Lindelof, and hopes to direct an episode this season. "They've taken the show we created and continued it in a way that I really admire."

"Initially, I thought it would be Damon the pure writer-artist-auteur, and Carlton would bring skills from having run so many shows successfully," ABC entertainment chief Steve McPherson says. "But it's like they morphed into one person. They seem to do everything together."

Hammering out the plot kinks

In the writers' room, decorated with pictures of Hawaii and the show's cast — with one board featuring photos of departed characters, under the heading R.I.P. — Lindelof is chatty, giving his fellow writers an update about caring for his month-old son, Van, and the toll it takes on sleep: "I'm reacting like five minutes after things happen."

After a few minutes of chatter, Cuse tries to get the staff focused on the season's eighth episode.

"Yeah, kids are great, all right," says writer Adam Horowitz, drawing laughs by gently mocking Cuse's businesslike transition.

As writer Edward Kitsis lays out the episode, broken down into five acts on a dry-erase board, Lindelof and Cuse do much of the talking. Lindelof free-associates more, as Cuse crystallizes points of the discussion. The episode is part of a season the producers say will offer more romance and adventure, examine the dynamic of Us vs. Them and — in one of their many cryptic references — play with our conceptions of time.

During the hour-long meeting, pop culture and literary references are tossed about. The discussion caroms from Peggy Sue Got Married to An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Star Trek: The Next Generation, A Christmas Carol, Eyes Wide Shut and Wonka bars.

Lindelof is a fount of pop culture details; Cuse knows science facts. "Carlton is the guy you'd want to be on the island with," Lindelof says. "I would be entertaining at the campfire."

In one scene, a knotty problem is suddenly solved by a character switch that both stokes a new romance and stirs jealousy. Cuse says later, revisiting The Force metaphor: "As we were working toward a solution, the show told us what needed to happen."

As Lost's plentiful religious references might suggest, both men seek spiritual meaning. Lindelof approaches from a Jewish upbringing, with Cuse having been raised Catholic.

On this day, Lindelof and Cuse are dealing with elements of seven episodes, including revisions to a script they are writing together. As they head to an editing room to assess a scene from the second episode, a visual-effects coordinator walks up with a laptop to show a riveting season-opening sequence. Abrams comes out of a room where he's reviewing scenes from his new series, Six Degrees, and the three watch intently. "That's cool. That's crazy," Abrams says.

Later in Cuse's office — which features two old Dodger Stadium seats, numbered 15 and 16 (from the infamous sequence 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) — they review their script, then discuss another one with fellow producer Jeff Pinkner.

On most days they're together only about half the time, splitting up duties. "He trusts me to do the things I do, and I trust him," says Lindelof, whose nearby office is a Lost mini-museum, with Mr. Eko's "Jesus stick," a concert poster for Charlie's band Driveshaft, and a model of Oceanic Flight 815 — angled downward.

The trust extends to their experienced colleagues. "In the same way that Damon and Carlton and Bryan trust me to be in the jungle supervising and executing the show, I trust them to do the final cut of the show," says Jack Bender, who oversees operations in Hawaii.

But organization only goes so far when plotting a series with no specific end date. Cuse and Lindelof, signed through the end of this season, say they can see the show concluding after five seasons, but they know it could go longer considering TV's economics.

Regardless, they have "a superstructure" set up that they think will keep the story on track, and a definite endgame. But that doesn't mean this TV entity will stop evolving. "We're putting this puzzle together, but there's no picture on the front of the box. And people keep adding new pieces, but they still have to fit together," Lindelof says.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on September 29, 2006, 11:18:23 AM
i kept waiting for the part where they reveal damon lindelof and carlton cuse are in fact lovers. that's the way to end a fluff piece.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on September 29, 2006, 12:08:09 PM
Shit, the season premiere is this week, isn't it?  I'm only on disc 4 of season 2.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on September 29, 2006, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: Ravi on September 29, 2006, 12:08:09 PM
Shit, the season premiere is this week, isn't it?  I'm only on disc 4 of season 2.

Nope:

Wednesday, October 4 at 9/8c
"A Tale of Two Cities"
SEASON PREMIERE


You have plenty of time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2006, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: Fernando on September 29, 2006, 01:38:27 PM
You have plenty of time.

But it's taken him 20 days to get to disc 4:
http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6100.msg232068#msg232068
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on September 30, 2006, 01:30:40 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on September 29, 2006, 01:53:25 PM
But it's taken him 20 days to get to disc 4

I'm watching as much as I can on the weekends.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 04, 2006, 01:11:51 AM
The shadowy Others take charge on 'Lost'
By William Keck, USA TODAY

OAHU, Hawaii — Who are The Others, and what do they want with Jack?

It's the most precarious predicament looming over Lost as the hit ABC drama that is averaging 15 million viewers a week returns tonight (9 ET/PT) for a third season of island mystery and adventure.

This balmy August day, star Matthew Fox (Jack) is seated in his trailer, having just wrapped an emotionally draining season-premiere scene, another pre-plane-crash flashback with his character's former wife, Sarah (Julie Bowen).

The earlier part of Fox's week was spent shooting island scenes of being trapped like a mouse by The Others, the treacherous tribe so far portrayed as dirty, barefooted, heavily armed hillbillies. He'll spend much of his time under control of The Others before the series goes on hiatus after a Nov. 8 cliffhanger, then returns in February.

Despite his character's fragile mental state, Fox, 40, can crack a smile. Sprouting whiskers he intends to grow into a heavier beard as his character remains in captivity, Fox says, "I honestly think it's going to be the best year yet. I can tell by the way the producers are talking about the year ahead that the show's going to do a lot of things it hasn't done.

"And philosophically, it's going to touch on some cool issues."

After spending much of last season down in a gloomy hatch pressing a button to stave off a cataclysm, Jack now will see his buttons pushed by The Others. "The Others specifically want something from Jack," says Fox, adding that his character will be on the verge of losing his mind. "Jack is somebody who is obsessed about his need to control situations, and suddenly somebody else is pushing the buttons."

The situation will be a challenge for all the crash survivors who were captured, executive producer Carlton Cuse says. "Each of the characters has their own experience in captivity. They have to restart their lives again in a brand new society. Jack doesn't know where he is or what's happened to Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Sawyer (Josh Holloway). He doesn't even know if they're alive."

Throughout Season 2, the muddied faces of The Others began revealing themselves through the jungle's heavy brush.

But hints along the way, such as Kate's discovery of fake beards, costumes and makeup in a locker, indicated that their villainous ways were not as they seemed.

Michael Emerson portrays the crafty Other who assumed the identity of Henry Gale as he taunted Jack and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) as their captive last season. Now a series regular, Emerson reminds viewers to heed the foreshadowing line his character spoke to Michael (Harold Perrineau) in the season finale: "We're the good guys."

"Not only does he believe that, but it's probably true," Emerson says.

Dressing for success

Tonight, The Others will unveil their new fall wardrobe. And don't expect them to be living in what producers dubbed "Yurtville" — that primitive community of skin tents where Michael was reunited with Walt and that was discovered abandoned by Sayid (Naveen Andrews) in the finale.

"The viewers will be introduced to a surprising, civilized new setting. It appears we've been on the island a long, long time," Emerson teases.

When it comes to revealing specific plot points, the cast and producers turn evasive. They're hoping to re-create the "holy mackerel" moment achieved in last season's opener when the contents of the island's hatch were revealed: A man, Desmond, was living in a souped-up subterranean apartment. "The first five minutes of Season 3 we really think is going to blow people's minds," Cuse says. "I think we have come up with something that is compelling and surprising."

Adds Holloway: "It's so awesome. It's epic. ... They're using part of an existing set and adding on to it. The location is so secluded and gives you a feeling of isolation, which is the magic of the show."

As the season progresses, island flashbacks will provide viewers with more information on the actions of The Others since the crash of Flight 815. "One of the things we're exploring this year is how we tend to objectify people in society that we don't know anything about," Cuse says. "We start to see what the world might look like from The Others' point of view and what their view of our people might be."

Says Fox: "For two seasons, the audience and these characters have vilified these mysterious Others. In one fell swoop, we're going to be thrust into 180-degree switch of perspective in looking at the situation from their point of view."

Humanity and love?

Emerson, who shares scenes in the premiere with Lilly's Kate, says Henry will become more humanized by revealing his true name (a name "I never would have chosen," he says). And he'll be involved in a romance of sorts. In fact, he says, "themes of seduction and rejection will predominate this year."

It may be no coincidence that Jack, Sawyer and Kate, the players in one of TV's hottest love triangles, ended up on The Others' most-wanted list. "The love story is a part of it," Cuse says. "The Others have been observing our characters, and (the three) will be pretty surprised to discover that."

But the love triangle that launched almost right from the series debut soon will crumble when Kate chooses between Sawyer and Jack, and Jack meets the mysterious Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell).

Like so much on Lost, the newcomer's name is no coincidence. Shakespeare's Juliet, one of literature's greatest romantic figures, fell in love with a handsome member of an opposing clan.

Already conceptualizing a long run for Juliet, Cuse says, "It will be really compelling when we get her first flashback story and find out who she was off the island."

Though Fox acknowledges Jack still has feelings for both Kate ("on some deep level") and ex-wife Sarah ("you'll see that unresolved stuff with Sarah put to bed"), he is looking forward to seeing whether Jack and Juliet evolve into a great love story.

"The circumstances in which these two people meet are far from romantic," he says. "But what she brings into Jack's world creates an interesting vibration."

Eager to return to his real island family — wife Margherita, their daughter, Kyle, 9, and son, Byron, 4 — Fox exits his trailer, thankful that his own captivity has ended for another day. He immediately is intercepted by a production assistant who hands him a sealed envelope with the next top-secret Lost script. Slapping the envelope, the sly Fox looks over his shoulder and teases, "Wouldn't you like to see this?"

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*READ AT OWN RISK*

'Lost' returns in fine form despite flaws 
* * * 1/2 (out of four)
By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY

The best is back.

Not quite at its best, mind you. I prefer Lost when it's less claustrophobic and more optimistic than it is in Wednesday's much-anticipated third-season premiere. But whether you love this episode or not (and some assuredly will), there is just something about the show's sweep, reach and audacity that lifts Lost so far above the run-of-the-mill norm, it might as well be on its own island.

If you doubt that claim, all you have to do is watch the astounding opening segment of this episode, written by Lost co-creators Damon Lindelof and J.J. Abrams. In one eye-popping five-minute stretch, they and director Jack Bender encapsulate the show's signature style and appeal: the contrast of beautiful scenery with hideous events, the note of tension that plays under even the most seemingly benign behavior, the images that seem to be one thing and turn out to be another, and the characters who cry out for further exploration.

Though there are many characters worth exploring, most of them will have to wait for another week. Tonight's tightly focused outing stays centered on Jack (Matthew Fox), Sawyer (Josh Holloway) and Kate (Evangeline Lilly), who are being held captive by Henry Gale (Michael Emerson) and The Others — which is where we left them at the end of last season.

Separated from each other, the captives respond in ways fans have come to expect. Jack is aggressive and proactive, determined to fix the situation as quickly as he can. Sawyer is insolent. And Kate, who has gone through a bad stretch, is defeated.

As if they were trapped in a particularly intense episode of The Prisoner, or maybe Planet of the Apes, the three captives face a bizarre array of tasks and punishments as they are set upon by captors whose behavior seems inexplicable. Secrets are revealed, escape plans are made, but the overriding tone is one of despair.

Though all three endure physical torments, the torment of memory is reserved for Jack, the show's nominal hero and our surrogate on the island. At a low point in his island stint, Jack flashes back to a low point in his life: his divorce from his wife (Julie Bowen) and his conflict with his father (John Terry).

With so few characters on display and so little interaction with the rest of the island, tonight's premiere may be smaller in scale and more scenically confined than some would like. The advantage, though, is that you ease back into the show without needing to remember exactly where you left off.

And where was that? When last we saw them, Michael had retrieved Walt from The Others — his reward for leading Jack, Kate and Sawyer into a trap — and the two of them headed off the island. Hurley had been sent back to camp to warn the castaways to keep their distance; Sayid, Jin and Sun were exploring uncharted island territory; and Locke, Eko and Desmond were dealing with the consequences of destroying the hatch, their fates still up in the air.

Even with so many castaways sidelined, this is a fine start for a great series, yet it does raise red flags. After a season where he seemed to be outsmarted at every turn, it would be nice to see Jack win one again for the team. Yes, we want him to be a fully drawn human with flaws, but he's in danger of becoming all flaw and no hero.

What's more, while myth and fantasy are a large part of Lost's appeal, the writers have to be careful not to let the intricacies of the myth overwhelm the show. The don't-go-there template is not X-Files; it's Alias, a series that became so entranced by its puzzle and its villains that it let the main characters vanish behind them.

We're not headed down that road yet. But even the best shows have to be wary of what's ahead, and ready to step back.

When a show is this good, we can't afford to let it get lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 04, 2006, 08:06:03 PM
First Five minutes?  Total Twilight Zone... loving it....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 04, 2006, 09:11:48 PM
This whole thing was great, so was the promo for next week's - "I WANT THAT BOAT!!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 04, 2006, 09:22:36 PM
yeah it was awesome.  the way Juliet kept talking to Jack i wanted him to punch her face in.  i dont care what they reveal about her character down the line, i'll hate her forever for this.  i think the episode would've been even more awesome had when she said she was coming in to feed him again he had done the exact same thing and tackled her again and tried to escape.  it would've shown that he's CRAZY DRIVEN like in the flashbacks.  oh well!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 04, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
The fact that she kept smiling when she talked is what bothered me.  She smirks in such a condescending way.  I wanted Jack to punch her in the face too but she's not completely insufferable like Ana Lucia.  I like that she's strong enough to knock him the fuck out in one punch.  Ethan never did that.  But I guess this is part of the Others mystery.  They obviously train like boxers.

So is anyone admitting yet that the 3 month break in between these 6 episodes and the remaining 17 is a bad idea?

And does that "You're not my type" quip from Zeke mean he's gay or that he just likes 'em big-boned?

I love this show.

Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 04, 2006, 10:15:45 PM
and we know where the bears came from...

The only thing I didnt' like in this episode was the "is she happy?" line... I understand the point of the sentiment, but I just don't think he would immediately ask "Oh, does it say in your file there that my ex-wife is happy?  because if you say 'yes', I'll totally believe you".

I'm a little worried that we know too much about the island now... I know they're going to have to either introduce a shit load more questions or just not answer anything else for two seasons.

Quote from: othersparrow on October 04, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
So is anyone admitting yet that the 3 month break in between these 6 episodes and the remaining 17 is a bad idea?

No, I understand and appreciate the reasoning behind this... it's like two seasons in one... it's not like we're getting less Lost, we're just not guessing whether each week will be new or a repeat like we have been.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 05, 2006, 01:10:50 AM
Quote from: modage on October 04, 2006, 09:22:36 PMi think the episode would've been even more awesome had when she said she was coming in to feed him again he had done the exact same thing and tackled her again and tried to escape.  it would've shown that he's CRAZY DRIVEN like in the flashbacks.  oh well!

But I think that they learned his Achilles Heel; what tamed Jack. Which is why Henry Gale Ben tells Juliet, "Good work."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: othersparrow on October 04, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?

Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 05, 2006, 01:23:11 AM
Quote from: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:17:47 AM
Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Not that I knew it was Carrie, but The Stand was a shit choice because that book would have had to have been carried around in a wheelbarrow it's so big.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 05, 2006, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: othersparrow on October 04, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?

Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Actually, it was The Stand that Juliet had. The guy with the glasses and yellow shirt had Carrie, and the Black woman had Insomnia I believe.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:32:18 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on October 05, 2006, 01:23:11 AM
Quote from: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:17:47 AM
Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Not that I knew it was Carrie, but The Stand was a shit choice because that book would have had to have been carried around in a wheelbarrow it's so big.

I just remembered all the book club dialogue about how "there's no metaphor there... it's just standard religious symbolism... blah blah blah," and immediately assumed (even before I saw Juliet holding the book with STEPHEN KING so prominent across the front) it must be The Stand.

Why the hell would it be Carrie, though?  Carrie doesn't have anything to do with anything.  Anyway, the important thing is that I didn't lose my five dollars, because my brother bet that the book was It.

Did anyone else get the impression that while the producers were looking to cast the part of Juliet, they happened to watch Running Scared, saw Elizabeth Mitchell in that, and stopped looking?  Nobody in the world can play creepiness masked as friendliness quite like she can.

EDIT:
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 05, 2006, 01:30:09 AM
Actually, it was The Stand that Juliet had. The guy with the glasses and yellow shirt had Carrie, and the Black woman had Insomnia I believe.

Totally vindicated.   8)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on October 05, 2006, 01:45:12 AM
what a wonderful show.  this is the first full thing i've ever seen in actual HD and it blew me away.  boom boom boom
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 05, 2006, 07:09:09 AM
Loved it. Jack is seriously the best character in this fucking thing with the possible exception of Henry "Ben" Gale. Sawyer and Kate kissing next week will piss me off to no end, I know it. I actually liked Juliet; I think she actually likes Jack and dislikes Ben, judging by how she acted toward Jack (which, while possible it may have been for show, I thought was mostly genuine and she didn't like having to do it) and how she acted toward Ben (seemed pretty disdainful to me).

Meanwhile we learned this about the island:
The others have a suburban community there
They had the polar bears
Jack's nuts
Zeke's nuts for nut (maybe)
They know everything about Jack

Quite a lot for one episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 05, 2006, 08:16:44 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 05, 2006, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: othersparrow on October 04, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?

Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Actually, it was The Stand that Juliet had. The guy with the glasses and yellow shirt had Carrie, and the Black woman had Insomnia I believe.

I'll look again but I remember Juliet's book looking way too thin for The Stand, even the original printing was over 800 pages. 

The red/orange book that one of the women had was definitely this Carrie:

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fec3.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FP%2F0671039725.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg&hash=9a3e46b66ddc4b49894bedc823fb3697d898b09f)

But anyway, why would a book club not be reading the same book?

Quote from: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:32:18 AM
I just remembered all the book club dialogue about how "there's no metaphor there... it's just standard religious symbolism... blah blah blah," and immediately assumed (even before I saw Juliet holding the book with STEPHEN KING so prominent across the front) it must be The Stand.

Why the hell would it be Carrie, though? Carrie doesn't have anything to do with anything. Anyway, the important thing is that I didn't lose my five dollars, because my brother bet that the book was It.

Not that it's not already too blatant with any direct Stephen King reference (which is now blowing my mind because when Henry's locked up in the hatch, they give him Dostoevsky to read and he asks, "You don't have any Stephen King?" to stay in character), The Stand is too well known as a major influence on the show. 

Carrie fits that book club talk as well.  I was asking if it was a hint since it's about telekinesis and all that but now that I think of it, the book itself is irrelevant since it's clear Juliet and the other formerly known as Henry Gale are at odds, probably divorced, and the Stephen King thing is just a representation of that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on October 05, 2006, 08:32:50 AM
ok so time for me to stop reading this thread again.

i didn't do a year-end review when the 2nd season finished here cos it was ridiculously late, just like 2 months ago.

see you all (in this thread) in a year! (reason i can't steal shows is cos my monitor is totally broken, colours don't look right and is too dark, until i get a new one it's too much effort to steal a show, put it on cd/dvd in avi form or whatever, take it to someone else's computer and watch it.) sucks cos if i'd be watching it at the same time as you jerks, i'd be posting in here pretty much non stop. as it is, it's just no fun to come in late with it.. the communal discovery/speculation is half the fun.

oh well, long live this show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 05, 2006, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on October 04, 2006, 10:15:45 PM

The only thing I didnt' like in this episode was the "is she happy?" line... I understand the point of the sentiment, but I just don't think he would immediately ask "Oh, does it say in your file there that my ex-wife is happy?  because if you say 'yes', I'll totally believe you".


I actually believe that Jack asked that because he was hoping she WASN'T happy with this Other Man.
Shit I've dealt with a fucked-up girl who was all ready to marry me for our few months dating, and then when we decided "we cant do that right now" she finds a guy who is NOT in school and is a real retard and I have no idea what he's like and then...
well, finding out a person you cared for is happy when you're not...you'll accept that they are and want to throw up over it no matter what.

ok enough personal drama


I thought the beginning was cool, a li'l silly when he sends Ethan and Goodwin off real quick-like to be "survivors".  But then, when I think silly is too much, I look back to the first episode where Kate, Charlie and Jack walk past some bushes and Vincent is hiding in them.  They play this OMINOUS MUSIC that makes you go "SHIT! that dog is EVIL!!!!"
Yup. Like the Shifty-Eyed Dog from The Simpsons? hahah ok I got over that moment fast and looked more into the show.
I can't wait for the rest of the season.  I do not think they can let it dissolve into complete crap because I would hate that and then kill the people who make television.
THE END.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 05, 2006, 12:30:58 PM
Yea I couldn't tell what his motivation for asking if the wife was happy...was. I was thinking the whole time that I'd want her to be miserable, but it seemed his reaction was one of those ubiquitous 'tears of joy/regret' moments, and not necessarily anger that she's happy without him. But fuck, I can't get over Kate-Sawyer. Those fuckers are going to be haunting my nightmares.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 05, 2006, 05:26:51 PM
Really great season opener IMO. I like the direction this seems to be going in but I just can't stand Jack's flashbacks anymore. Couple funny parts I thought: "You're not my type" line, the quip about the bears doing it in 2 hrs and then Sawyer asking how many there were. Then the really creepy part when Ben told Kate to get ready for the next 2 weeks. Yikes. Wonder what kind of torture/training they have in mind. It was cool and all to see that money shot of the island but there is no way those two guys could have ran all that way and been there in an hour.

Pubrick: So why can't you get another monitor before next year?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 05, 2006, 06:08:50 PM
I dont think the fact Ethan and the other guy went fast means they got in an hour. If you think about it, between the crash and the whole mess it took several hours until people realized what happened and were able to regroup and start taking care of each other... but anyways I thought the openning sequence was excellent... like the 2nd season, with the music, and making you wonder who the fuck that is and if its a flashback or what is going on.

Pubrick, I may have a cheap solution for you, but I dont know if you can get it. The cheapest DVD players on the market (less than $50 in the US) read almost every format availble. I have a Philips DVD player that cost me $39.99 in BestBuy a while back and reads .avi, .mpegs, etc... I usually watch the downloaded shows with that when I dont use my laptop.

Anyways, I cant wait for next week... it was an amazing episode and they only showed Kate, Jack and Sawyer... I want to know what the fuck happened with Desmond and Locke!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 05, 2006, 06:49:30 PM
this.  show.  is.  so.  awesome. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on October 08, 2006, 06:28:44 PM
I don't know what to make of the season premiere.  Unlike most other episodes, this one had nothing recognizable to grab onto.  We're thrown into a completely foreign situation with no idea of what's going on.  And I thought the hatch was weird...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 12, 2006, 02:04:04 AM
Wow... where the hell is everyone?

It's very late, just finished watching tonights episode and I was expecting already something here about it...

Anyways, I didn't like the episode that much. It was one of those episodes where nothing really happens... but they are leading to.... whatever the fuck huge thing will happen next. The only big thing was Sawyer-Kate, but it was too short to make an impact.

Jack-Ben and the redsox was stupid... it suddenly seemed like a different show... but I love this shit so I'm hoping this episode was necessary so that we can get to the next one... thats all I can say... and Sayid is smart enough to detect the footsteps on the dock but he doesnt think they may come from a differet direction...

Where is Desmond, Locke and Hurley!!!!!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 12, 2006, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: kal on October 12, 2006, 02:04:04 AM
Jack-Ben and the redsox was stupid... it suddenly seemed like a different show...

I loved that part.  Somehow, suddenly tying it in to "the real world" had a very unsettling effect.  Like we, as an audience, can't afford to dismiss it as fantasy, because they know about real stuff that's happened!!!  It was a nice moment of levity, for sure, but oddly uncomfiting at the same time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 12, 2006, 06:47:38 AM
And that's why we all should have realized before the season 2 finale that nothing happened to the outside world.  Because it's set in our world.

SPOILERS

At first I was really pissed off that Sun wound up fucking the bald dude when she had convinced Jin (and the rest of us) that she hadn't been with another man, but that was justified pretty well by the opening flashback; she can lie through her teeth and not give a fuck.  So I was satisfied.  Not happy but satisfied.

And let's talk about the fact that Ben/Henry has been living on the island all his life?!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 12, 2006, 12:07:37 PM
yea i like the fact that they've kept what's been happening in real time, which rules out the whole apocalyptic storyline.  sayid was a retard for thinking they wouldn't come from the water. nathan did it in the first season. 

anyone else think they bald guy's "suicide" was fishy?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 12, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
OK, I liked this episode. The Red Sox moment was actually quite sweet for just the reason polka said. It's much more unsettling for some reason to see that all this stuff is happening in conjuction with all the events of the rest of the world still going on. No longer can we expect to see this show as an insular (pun) piece of fiction, even though they tried to prevent that through the flashbacks, but I think that moment really hit home the fact that they aren't simply isolated in this little pocket world.

Kate-Sawyer didn't piss me off as much as I thought it would, mostly because it was difficult to ascertain her emotions in the whole thing. That one lady that held the gun to Kate is clearly not as sweet and naive as the first episode might have suggested. In both episodes there've been hints that she's just as unsympathetic and manipulative as ny of the other Others...but I wonder how her part will play out.

I think Sun is suddenly a much more interesting character. Her fear of her father seems to have affected her pretty deeply, what with her lying and/or hiding the truth to escape blame.

Ben is cool. I'm sure he'll be one of the highlights of the season. Living on the island his whole life....hmm...

Desmond Locke and Hurley will be next episode, kal. At least, Locke, Eko, and Hurly will be next episode, going by the preview.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 12, 2006, 01:21:14 PM
best line of the show, "you never made me soup."  Which tells us benny's been in Jack's place? 

episode was pretty darn great the more I ponder on it.  sun's first flashback showing how she was easily capable of lying to her father as a child.  at first, it left you feeling, "I don't care about this, I don't wanna see her flashback, what the hell is going on with des/locke/ecks?!"  then of course how easy it was to lie to her husband and progress those lies.  and did she really get pregnant on the island or is it baldy's baby?  and the action with jin beating baldy but not killing him then his body landing on his car - i didn't think sucide, i thought father having concerns of jin not getting the job done, someone else took care of it.  and then the whole ben telling jack what happened in the last sixty days thing - laughing at the remarks of the sox winning the series then seeing it happen bit.  i thought that was really good.

i initially thought it was an okay 'build up to' episode, but the more I think about it, it may have been better than the opener.  longer and less commercial breaks that's for sure.  aaah, the magic of this show...   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 12, 2006, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on October 12, 2006, 12:07:37 PM
anyone else think they bald guy's "suicide" was fishy?

Actually, my first thought was, "Damn, Sun's dad sent a guy after Jin to make sure the job was done."  Because it just seemed too soon for him to jump.  He's an Ivy League educated guy, he can't think this through? 

But sometimes a bald Korean falling out of a window is just a bald Korean falling out of a window.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 12, 2006, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: pozer on October 12, 2006, 01:21:14 PM
best line of the show, "you never made me soup."  Which tells us benny's been in Jack's place? 

Nah, he was just flirting with her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 12, 2006, 02:09:35 PM
I think you have to be somewhat masochistic to enjoy this show (which I do). Every week I go back for a beating.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 12, 2006, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: polkablues on October 12, 2006, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: pozer on October 12, 2006, 01:21:14 PM
best line of the show, "you never made me soup."  Which tells us benny's been in Jack's place? 

Nah, he was just flirting with her.

I think they were together before and something happened... that is why Ben is "out of the book club" and that is als why when the other woman (the one that got shot by Sun) goes downstairs and sees them talking... Juliet acts like what the fuck you care...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2006, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: polkablues on October 12, 2006, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: kal on October 12, 2006, 02:04:04 AM
Jack-Ben and the redsox was stupid... it suddenly seemed like a different show...

I loved that part.  Somehow, suddenly tying it in to "the real world" had a very unsettling effect.  Like we, as an audience, can't afford to dismiss it as fantasy, because they know about real stuff that's happened!!!  It was a nice moment of levity, for sure, but oddly uncomfiting at the same time.


What I thought after that scene played out was, Are they planning to do to Jack what they did to Michael and have him turn against his friends?  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 12, 2006, 03:58:52 PM
i also thought of kals interpretation.  and like mac am wondering WHAT THE FUCK are they doing to the 3 of them.  like some sort of human psychology experiment?  and also, do you think the others WANTED kate and sawyer to hook up?  methinks: maybe.  but i cannot figure out how the others got onto the boat without being seen by sayid and jin.  they couldnt have come from the woods or walked up the beach and if they sailed up in another boat they wouldve seen that too.  the only other way is to swim, but nobody was soaking wet.  i'm so glad sun shot the deadwood chick, because never let anyone tell you that you wont shoot them.  because that just makes me want to shoot them more.  i HATE elizabeth mitchells character of michelle rodriguezian proportions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2006, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: modage on October 12, 2006, 03:58:52 PMand like mac am wondering WHAT THE FUCK are they doing to the 3 of them.  like some sort of human psychology experiment?  and also, do you think the others WANTED kate and sawyer to hook up?  methinks: maybe.

I think so. Then they tell Jack something like, "See, Kate made her choice. There's nothing for you here. We'll send you back to your wife and home if you do this for us." They already hinted to this last night. Ben says, "If you cooperate, we'll send you home." Jack later says, "Home? Is that where you sent Walt and Michael?" Ben, "Yes."

Also, Danielle's daughter asked about the guy opposite Sawyer's cage from last week's episode (Carl), and said that Kate's dress was hers. Maybe the Others did this experiment with the two of them previously?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 12, 2006, 05:52:47 PM
I thought the same thing, actually. It seemed wierd to me that they separated Jack from everybody else, including Kate and Sawyer, while Kate and Sawyer are not only together but also with other people. I think they most definitely planned on there being some action between Kate and Sawyer, perhaps because they realize that that's what keeps Sawyer in his place and also because that'd torment Jack even if he outwardly doesn't show it. I'm sure they'll show him something of it before too long.

So if that explains why they wanted Sawyer and Kate then I guess the next question would be why Jack is so important to begin with. I doubt it's as simple as the fact that he's the "leader" of the group.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 12, 2006, 09:24:50 PM
Yeah, so these two episodes...very very awesome. Though I have many qualms with Jack's flashback, given that he seemed very much like the good son turning on his dad in the first season, now there's all this animosity that's built involving his wife, and I don't think the two events connect emotionally and chronologically. They're gonna have to do some footwork to cover that, I think. In any case, the transition back to present time where Jack just fucking goes ballistic and they cut mid-punch, that was some incredible work. Sun's backstory was also amazing. I was very distracted (roommate cleaning and fucking thunderstorm warning cropped screen bullshit), but it made me see how incredibly manipulative Sun is and how they've made her both sweet and heartwarming as well as coldly dishonest, all at once and in synchronicity. It's very strange, but makes here character much more dynamic and, for once, interesting.

Bald lover landing ON Jin's car...nice touch.

The preview for next week, "I think the explosion blew off your trousers"....haha, that seems like a very interesting idea of rebirth for Desmond. Hopefully Locke too, his fall from faith last season was moving and sad to see.

Also, Jeremy Blackman's dad is gonna be pissed when he finds his girlfriend shot on the boat.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2006, 11:52:40 AM
"Lost" Hit by Battleship Patinkin

Forget the Others. The greatest single threat to the survival of Oceanic Air Flight 815's castaways may just be Mandy Patinkin.

On Wednesday night, the mild-mannered star of stage, screen and Crestor commercials saw his two-season-old CBS crime drama, Criminal Minds, come within about 200,000 bodies of toppling ABC's Lost.

For the 9 p.m. hour, Lost tallied 16.9 million viewers; Criminal Minds, 16.7 million, Nielsen Media Research stats said.

That was the closest Criminal Minds has come yet to Lost during a regular-season matchup. And it was the latest sign that ABC's former Emmy winner has shoring up to do with its fan base.

CBS declared Wednesday's results a "virtual tie," and boasted that Criminal Minds beat Lost for the first time ever in household ratings. (As opposed to total viewers, which is akin to an old-fashioned headcount, household ratings represent the percentage of TV homes that are tuned to a particular show.)

Unbowed, ABC declared Lost the most watched show of the hour, and proclaimed it the highest-rated show of the night among demographically desirable 18-to-49-year-olds.

Still, the show was down 10 percent in viewers from last week's third-season premiere, which itself was down 20 percent in viewers from its second-season premiere.

Second-season characters and plotlines, such as Michelle Rodriguez's Ana-Lucia and "They enter the hatch," have taken the brunt of blame for the listing Lost, at least at Jump the Shark, where the site's users debate the exact moment when Lost became lost.

But for all the suggested reasons as to where the show has gone wrong, the Jump the Shark category that has elicited the most votes is the one that suggests nothing has gone wrong: "Never jumped."

Ratings-wise, Lost isn't so much freefalling, as Criminal Minds is skyrocketing. Last season, Lost averaged 15.4 million viewers; Criminal Minds, 12.5 million.

Criminal Minds is making up some, but not nearly as much ground with young viewers. On Wednesday, Lost held a 53 percentage point advantage in the 18-to-49 demo over the show starring the cholesterol-lowering medicine pitchman.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 13, 2006, 12:28:16 PM
Which just goes to show you... what the fuck show is Criminal Minds?  I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on October 13, 2006, 01:48:14 PM
that was good. i loved the "you're shittin' me" look on jack's face when he heard that bush got reelected, superman died, and the red sox won the series.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
Just watched it last night... it was great.

I think there's even more behind Sun than we've seen.  She may have had baldy killed herself.

I think the guy that tried to escape with Sawyer and the former owner of Kate's dress are plants.  They're there to earn trust.

I also think that Michael IS on his way home, but he'll be back.

also: Season 1: Cave, Season 2: Hatch, Season 3: Villiage... maybe we'll see people get off the island sooner than expected.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on October 13, 2006, 02:13:57 PM
SPOILER








Quote from: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
I think the guy that tried to escape with Sawyer and the former owner of Kate's dress are plants.  They're there to earn trust.

Wasn't she the former owner of Kate's dress the one who helped Claire escape?  Did she have some ulterior motive for letting her out?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 03:17:26 PM
FURTHER SPOILERS

Right, I thought that woman was Alex -- the French lady's kid.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 04:16:10 PM
do we really still need to write SPOILERS!!!

I guess I missed that... weird... I'll have to rethink my theory, but it's still possible.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 05:17:33 PM
SPOILERS

I'm just doing it because everyone else is. In other news...

SOILERS

I just shit myself.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 14, 2006, 08:23:28 PM
Quote from: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 03:17:26 PM
FURTHER SPOILERS

Right, I thought that woman was Alex -- the French lady's kid.

Yes, she is Alex, she helped Clair escape from the medical hatch last season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 14, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
anyone else think kate's been turned?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 14, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on October 14, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
anyone else think kate's been turned?

No.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 14, 2006, 11:50:12 PM
haha. I had that same exact response planned but decided against it.

Reasons I don't believe Kate has turned:
1) it'd require an incredible leap of logic from what's been actually shown this season
2) Kate wouldn't turn that easily, and thus the process would be gradual and probably depicted in the show itself since she's a major character and hasn't disappeared or anything
3) if the Others are planning on turning on of their three captives I'd think it's Jack since he's isolated from everyone else
4) I dunno...no evidence to say that she has turned, that I can see.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 15, 2006, 12:46:44 AM
Quote from: polkablues on October 14, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on October 14, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
anyone else think kate's been turned?

No.

nope
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on October 15, 2006, 02:17:40 AM
that was one of the best episodes ever. the image of jack through the tv reflection/seeing tv for the first time in months and the kiss were what made it. i can't wait to find out why you would stay on an island forever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on October 15, 2006, 01:47:14 PM
because you can grow amazing weed on the island. im fairly certain that this season we'll discover that's the others main objective. all these psych-experiments, all these games, all designed to come up with the finest strand of pot there is. it would certainly explain the nigerian drug plane, and why everyone seems to be hallucinating all the time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on October 15, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 15, 2006, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Ravi on October 15, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM

Yeah, season 5 is going to end with Matthew Fox waking up in a hospital bed with Neve Campbell, Scott Wolf, and Lacey Chabert standing around him, going, "Charlie! You're okay!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 15, 2006, 07:15:41 PM
Quote from: polkablues on October 15, 2006, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Ravi on October 15, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM

Yeah, season 5 is going to end with Matthew Fox waking up in a hospital bed with Neve Campbell, Scott Wolf, and Lacey Chabert standing around him, going, "Charlie! You're okay!"

And Matthew Fox will say, "I had a dream that I was a spinal surgeon on an ABC drama that came on at 9pm on Wednesdays." And Scott Wolf will say, "That's so weird, I had a dream that I was a brain surgeon on an ABC drama that came on  at 10pm on Wednesdays."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on October 17, 2006, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: polkablues on October 15, 2006, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: Ravi on October 15, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM

Yeah, season 5 is going to end with Matthew Fox waking up in a hospital bed with Neve Campbell, Scott Wolf, and Lacey Chabert standing around him, going, "Charlie! You're okay!"

:laughing:  :shock: Just three years ago in that same day...

Quote from: ShanghaiOrange on October 15, 2003, 08:20:56 PM
At the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 07:12:04 AM
I didn't like last night's episode. Some considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being? Also, Locke's flashbacks were a pretty far drop from his previous ones about his relationship with his father. When did he get involved in this giant marijuana family? Why? I didn't see these answered but maybe it's been hinted at before and I missed it and/or don't remember it.

The polar bear chase ending with Hurley was a pretty cheap attempt at suspense. Unless it turns out Hurley is a werebear, then it'd be cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 19, 2006, 09:00:53 AM
You didn't miss anything re: the commune.  Of all the main characters on the show, we know the least about Locke.  Everyone else has been more or less explained in their backstories.  Locke has the most pieces missing from his, so for every hippie drug dealing commune he turns up in, there's probably 5 things we have yet to learn about him. 

Locke has always regarded the island as an entity unto itself.  In season 2, he lost his faith but faithful Locke is back and I'm glad. 

The only thing I'm disappointed by is that I thought the black smoke had Eko in the same way that it tried to get Locke right around the season 1 finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 19, 2006, 11:39:04 AM
how about that ending though? just when i thought the show was getting it's feet on the ground... the whole thing with desmond talking about locke's speech has my brain in knots
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 19, 2006, 11:48:04 AM
liked it.  saw the ending coming cause i kept thinking about the desmond 'locke said so in his speech' line followed by his 'oh never mind' shrug off to hurly's reply.  i like lockes pregressive flashbacks.  like that we don't know how he ended up on the farm.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: othersparrow on October 19, 2006, 09:00:53 AM
Locke has always regarded the island as an entity unto itself.  In season 2, he lost his faith but faithful Locke is back and I'm glad. 
Hmm, well considering I missed some of the first season (if they ever drop the DVD price I'll definitely be getting it), I always thought Locke considered the island more part of their destiny, that they were fated to crash there, and not as a being in and of itself, that could be communicated with via hippie drugs no less. It just seemed like a wierd transition, the only explanation being that the episode in the hatch at the end of last season suddenly made him realize this. I can understand him reverting to his opinion that the island/hatch is more than simply an island and even that he was meant to crash there, but suddenly needing to "speak to the island"? I dunno, I guess that's why they showed the hippie flashbacks with the meditating chamber and all that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 19, 2006, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 07:12:04 AMSome considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being?

But hasn't it always been a supernatural being? Locke can walk, Sun is preggo, Rose's cancer is in remission, the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Jack sees his dead father, Shannon sees Walt... and so on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 19, 2006, 12:13:38 PM
I don't think we need to see how he ended up on the farm, I think it's pretty obvious and hopefully they won't waste time filling in that gap.

I don't think the island is "supernatural all of a sudden".. there's nothing new there.

So what kind of time travel are we dealing with here? 

oh, and...
Quote from: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
I think the guy that tried to escape with Sawyer and the former owner of Kate's dress are plants.  They're there to earn trust.

Listened to the podcast and they confirmed that this is not the case since they've done that before and didn't want to do it again (not that that's stopped them before)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 19, 2006, 12:55:29 PM
by the way, the beginning had me thinking the whole episode was gonna be just like the one of the simpsons where homer coated his mouth with candle wax so he could withstand wiggum's 'acid like' chili pepper, then ends up trippin' out the whole show. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 02:08:15 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 19, 2006, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 07:12:04 AMSome considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being?

But hasn't it always been a supernatural being? Locke can walk, Sun is preggo, Rose's cancer is in remission, the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Jack sees his dead father, Shannon sees Walt... and so on.
Yea, that's all true. My point was that the whole "speaking to the island" bit seemed like a pretty far leap ("leap of logic" wasn't really the right way to put it; I meant more of a gap in Locke's development from last season to this), assuming he suddenly realized that this was possible after the hatch incident since he hasn't tried it before to figure anything out. I'm aware the island has always had supernatural undertones and unexplained mysteries, but that whole sequence still seemed out of place somehow, to me at least. Oh well, I'll think on it some more.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 19, 2006, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 02:08:15 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on October 19, 2006, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 07:12:04 AMSome considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being?

But hasn't it always been a supernatural being? Locke can walk, Sun is preggo, Rose's cancer is in remission, the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Jack sees his dead father, Shannon sees Walt... and so on.
Yea, that's all true. My point was that the whole "speaking to the island" bit seemed like a pretty far leap ("leap of logic" wasn't really the right way to put it; I meant more of a gap in Locke's development from last season to this), assuming he suddenly realized that this was possible after the hatch incident since he hasn't tried it before to figure anything out. I'm aware the island has always had supernatural undertones and unexplained mysteries, but that whole sequence still seemed out of place somehow, to me at least. Oh well, I'll think on it some more.

Go back and watch the first season.  From very early on, Locke has considered the island to be a living entity.  Plus, his going on a vision quest was a direct callback to when he sent Boone on one in the first season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 19, 2006, 05:01:50 PM
I don't think it's as simple as 'Desmond can see the future!' During last night's great episode, he seemed more like he'd already been there, done that, and didn't have use for it anymore. I think it's more like he's already lived him, or somebody informed him of it. He seemed like he knew he should've stayed mum when he mentioned it to Hurley. Speaking of Hurley, his creepy look at the end of the episode gave me the chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 19, 2006, 06:14:58 PM
anyone else think the introduction of the two new characters was kinda awkward?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 19, 2006, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on October 19, 2006, 06:14:58 PM
anyone else think the introduction of the two new characters was kinda awkward?

Not awkward....just weird. Because they were just bystanders who talked, as opposed to the sudden introduction of Artz, who became important to the plot.

This was one of my favorite episodes. But I apparently missed Desmond's psychic moment at the end...need to d/l it, I guess. The spirit quest was the coolest fucking thing the show has done. And then weed? It makes so much sense. Like War of the Worlds kid guest starring.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 19, 2006, 07:14:12 PM
The deja vu part with Desmond/Hurley/Locke was the strangest thing... more than Locke talking to the Island and all that...

I dont know what to think of it... how did Desmond knew? And why was he naked after the implosion?


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 19, 2006, 10:27:05 PM
This was one of the best episodes.

Locke's flashback was really just a progression from being betrayed by those close to him, so he created/joined a surrogate family, and then effed that up too.  anything in between is fluff and unneeded, it should be easy to infer.

i wish desmond's 'speech' moment wasn't so obvious, like when the blond haired dude came up at the end and said "good speech, eh."  it was clear when locke started talking about his plans that this was what desmond was alluding to earlier, and it didn't strike me as weird or 'what-did-it-all-mean' as you guys make it seem.   haven't alot of the characters had dreams that show the distant future in someway at some point?  it seemed almost logical after locke's lynchian dream sequence (great), only furthering the island as an entity. 

tensions are high and i love it.   i love the choice not to cut back and forth between all the different stories thus far this season, rather keeping it focused on one or two characters at hand, making it almost claustrophobic.

the first three have been great, here's hoping the next three are just as awesome.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 20, 2006, 06:58:09 AM
Quote from: polkablues on October 19, 2006, 04:38:37 PM

Go back and watch the first season.  From very early on, Locke has considered the island to be a living entity.  Plus, his going on a vision quest was a direct callback to when he sent Boone on one in the first season.
OK thanks - that would definitely help. Now I just need to find a cheap way of getting it.

And yea the two new people coming in was really awkward indeed. I wasn't even aware they were supposed to be new people, which made it even more awkward.

I give the episode a little more credit than I first did but I still think it's the weakest of the first three. Just personal preference, though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 22, 2006, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 02:08:15 PM
Yea, that's all true. My point was that the whole "speaking to the island" bit seemed like a pretty far leap ("leap of logic" wasn't really the right way to put it; I meant more of a gap in Locke's development from last season to this), assuming he suddenly realized that this was possible after the hatch incident since he hasn't tried it before to figure anything out. I'm aware the island has always had supernatural undertones and unexplained mysteries, but that whole sequence still seemed out of place somehow, to me at least. Oh well, I'll think on it some more.


from what I can muster, Locke thought that even The Hatch was an entity the Island had guided him towards, and then came the 2nd season.  The Hatch was found to be totally man-made and kind of even depressing at some points because so much bad shit happened there and it was all about button-pushing.
Perhaps the last episode of S2 was the Locke who has always had faith in the Island testing it once and for all.  And now that we see The Hatch is but a transient entity, Locke can move on and put his faith BACK IN the Island like before.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2006, 12:31:58 AM
SPOILERS ABOUT NEXT WEEK EPISODE
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Ok I just read that someone will indeed die next week. Someone very important. It was in this weeks Ask Ausiello...

Ausiello: Sawyer's not the one you should be worrying about. Next week, a major character (as in a series regular) whose name is not Sawyer will join Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby in the big island in the sky. And you're not going to believe who it is. I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 25, 2006, 09:21:22 AM
by next week do you mean tonight's episode or the next one?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2006, 09:57:19 AM
well i put that early today.... so i mean next week, not next episode :)

also:

ABC Sets 'Lost' Return Date

Network yanks 'Extreme Makeover,' gives 'Legal' a Sunday shot

Zap2It.com

October 24 2006

"Lost" is coming back after its hiatus, and we now know when. The same can't be said for "Extreme Makeover," whose return to ABC turned out to be extremely brief.

The network has yanked the better-living-through-surgery show after just one airing last Friday, in which it pulled down fairly weak ratings. Reruns of "Grey's Anatomy," which had been airing in the timeslot, will move back there staring Friday, Nov. 3 (the Halloween special "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" fills the hour this week).

ABC made a couple other scheduling moves Tuesday, setting a February return date for "Lost" -- which will then run uninterrupted through the end of the season -- and giving "Boston Legal" a one-time-only airing in its old Sunday timeslot next month.

"Lost" will return to the schedule on Wednesday, Feb. 7, almost exactly three months after its final fall episode airs Nov. 8. The scheduling strategy is an effort by ABC to avoid repeats of the heavily serialized show; it has three more episodes to go in its initial run this fall and will have 16 weeks of uninterrupted episodes when it returns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 25, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: kal on October 25, 2006, 12:31:58 AM
SPOILERS ABOUT NEXT WEEK EPISODE

My guess is Jin.  Sun shot Henry Gale's new woman and so he'll respond in kind.

But there's a theory going around that Desmond is dead and only Locke and Hurley can see him now.  Does anyone remember if anyone directly addressed him last week once they got back to the beach?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2006, 10:55:20 AM
Thats something I thought and I didnt say anything cause I thought it was stupid... hehe

I actually think that Desmond became a series regular, so I dont think he would stay all season as a ghost. But I did think at one point that maybe Hurley was the only one who could see him because he did not interact with anyone else during the episode and even when Locke gave his 'speech' he didnt go to talk to him or paid attention to him. The only one looking at him was Hurley.

But I think it was just another creepy Lost moment... I think he is alive.

Jin is a good option... and it wouldnt upset me so much... if it were Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Jack or Hurley I would be devastated...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 25, 2006, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: othersparrow on October 25, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
But there's a theory going around that Desmond is dead and only Locke and Hurley can see him now.  Does anyone remember if anyone directly addressed him last week once they got back to the beach?
No I don't believe anyone talked to Desmond or noticed him except for Locke and Hurley. I actually thought it strange that no one did, since I don't believe most people know of Desmond, but I may be wrong there. I don't get why Hurley would be able to see him; Locke makes sense I guess since he was with Desmond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 25, 2006, 04:37:05 PM
I think the synopsis for tonight said 'Nikki talks to Desmond' or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 26, 2006, 09:40:45 AM
SPOILERS

Well, thankfully we can put the "Deadsmond" theory to bed.  But the "Kate is an other" theorists probably shit themselves after she escaped from and WENT BACK in the cage.

It was an OK episode.  Nothing too thrilling but nothing boring either.

But I'm guessing Stanley Spector's dad is the one with the tumor.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 26, 2006, 01:32:43 PM
'okay episode?'  this was the best one this season thus far!  and the even betters are coming quick!  dammit i love this show.  don't even need to explain why this one was so good - if you saw it, you know why. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 26, 2006, 01:43:57 PM
The Others are Quentin Tarantino fans - that's why they're so fucked up!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 26, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: pozer on October 26, 2006, 01:32:43 PM
'okay episode?'  this was the best one this season thus far!  and the even betters are coming quick!  dammit i love this show.  don't even need to explain why this one was so good - if you saw it, you know why. 
Agreed. Best show of the season thus far.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 26, 2006, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 26, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: pozer on October 26, 2006, 01:32:43 PM
'okay episode?'  this was the best one this season thus far!  and the even betters are coming quick!  dammit i love this show.  don't even need to explain why this one was so good - if you saw it, you know why. 
Agreed. Best show of the season thus far.

I third that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on October 26, 2006, 06:41:52 PM
It was good, but I hope Desmond can't see into the future. Like, 108 minutes in to the future or something. I know last night they pretty much told us he can, but I'm going to keep pretending he can't until charlie says "You can see into the future?!?!" and Desmond answers "You got it, brother." So far, everything has been shown to be with in the realm of possibility, however improbable. And I liked that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 27, 2006, 04:30:40 PM
I thought the episode was great, but I dont know if the best of the season. The thing was that a lot of Sawyer cant be bad.

It was great when he called the guy in prison "Costanza". And when Kate takes the shirt off and he uses the bucket of water to cool himself down. Funny.

I read somewhere that the woman that went to see the bald guy in prison was Shannons mom? Dont remember.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 30, 2006, 02:01:15 PM
Matthew Fox Talks Lost, Vantage Point
Source: ComingSoon

While he's best known for playing Dr. Jack Shephard on ABC's "Lost," actor Matthew Fox has been branching out into other things during his hiatus from the show, including the upcoming Warner Bros. football drama We Are Marshall, which opens in December. In that, he plays real-life Marshall University Assistant Coach Red Dawson, who lost his entire college football in a plane crash in 1970, then had to help a new coach (Matthew McConaughey) assemble a new team.

Having shot the movie over the summer, Fox is back in Hawaii shooting the new season of "Lost" and when he took some time off to talk to ComingSoon.net about the football drama, we also asked him a few questions about "The Others" and his feelings on the direction in which the show has been going. "I understand the audience missing some of those other dynamics, but the story is dictating right now that we're looking at the story more from The Others' perspective than our original survivors' perspective," he told us. "I think that's a really amazing thing that the show is doing. Because Jack is now part of those Others—being held in captivity there—I've gotten to work with these new actors and create completely new relationships and dynamics, and that's been really exciting for me. The stuff that's happening between Jack and Juliette and Jack and Ben and the relationships that my character has with The Others, I think there's an understanding between us as actors that on the day that we work, there is a certain dynamic that we strike, but I'm getting to know them both as people, and they're amazing. I just love them as actors, and I'm really excited about working with them all the time and how psychological the work is."

Are there any worries about Jack being the next main character to get killed off from the show? "I don't worry about it too much," Fox admitted. "I feel really fortunate to be a part of this project, and from an objective point, I do understand that it's an element of the show that's important. You can't create this island in which life is always in the balance and then not have people perish. I think that's just part of the show, so yeah, that's always in the back of my mind, but I don't sweat it too much. If that times comes for Jack Shephard, it's because that's what is meant to happen in the story, and I have an enormous amount of faith in Damon Lindeloff and J.J. [Abrams] and Carlton that they're on top of that."

There are other benefits to there being twice as many stories and cast members on the new season, as well. "It has created some more time off for me, because I'm doing all of my work essentially on one set, so I have two or three days where I'm working 14 hour days and then I'll have a week of time off while they're doing other stories, and that's been incredibly nice for me. I worked on two films over my hiatus, I worked six days a week all the way through, so getting back to 'Lost,' I was excited but at the same time, getting this much time off has been a real relief, it's been nice."

Obviously, We Are Marshall was one of those two movies, but Fox also had time to appear in the political thriller Vantage Point, scheduled to come out next year. "'Vantage Point' was a script that I actually read about a year and a half ago," Fox replied when asked why he picked that project to during his break. "That was a movie that I was looking at for my first hiatus actually, and then something happened where it couldn't get made then, so when it came back around, it looked like it might fit into my second hiatus. I just think it's a really smart, intense and incredible thriller. I also feel very strongly about Pete Travis as a director. He directed this movie 'Omagh,' which I think is a terrific film. We really saw eye-to-eye on what needed to happen for that character, and it's a very, very different character than what I play in 'We Are Marshall.' It's a very intense character but intense in different ways [from Red Dawson]. I felt great about the two projects individually, and I also felt great about how different they were, but the 'Vantage Point' experience was different in a way that I can't really talk about too much without giving it away."

In the movie, Fox plays a secret service agent so we asked if he had the chance to talk to or study with actual agents before making the movie. "Those guys are really reticent to talk about their profession, so getting that opportunity was great and Pete really pushed for that to happen and we had some research materials as well that we studied. Then we had people on set all the time that were consultants to make sure that what we were doing jives with some reality."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 01, 2006, 11:13:55 AM
One of the cast members is apparently going to be on Regis & Kelly tomorrow.  My guess is that's the one who kicks it tonight.

They really need to keep shit like that under wraps.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 01, 2006, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: othersparrow on November 01, 2006, 11:13:55 AM
One of the cast members is apparently going to be on Regis & Kelly tomorrow.  My guess is that's the one who kicks it tonight.

Your guess means that Mr. Eko will die tonight... Or Denzel will make an appearance in a flashback.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 01, 2006, 11:41:42 AM
would that also jive with the character dies whose flashback episode it currently is? 

also: can we in the future never post spoilers for someone is going to die.  thats the one thing i never want to know again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on November 01, 2006, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: modage on November 01, 2006, 11:41:42 AM
also: can we in the future never post spoilers for someone is going to die.  thats the one thing i never want to know again.

Yes, I vote that we just leave all spoilers about un-aired episodes out of this thread entirely.  I thought we had an unspoken gentleman's agreement about this.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on November 01, 2006, 01:33:27 PM
You admins should put the biggest admin edit spoiler warning ever.

admin edit: spoiler warning

edit: on the previous page!  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 01, 2006, 02:00:59 PM
no!  cause then we admins are still SPOILED.  :yabbse-sad:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 01, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: modage on November 01, 2006, 11:41:42 AMalso: can we in the future never post spoilers for someone is going to die.  thats the one thing i never want to know again.

Unfortunately, ABC has been touting this in the recent TV commercials.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 01, 2006, 02:46:58 PM
Good thing I only watch ABC is when Lost is on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 01, 2006, 09:04:55 PM
The Others chick really creeped me out, how unflichingly she was able to speak bullshit to Jack. I hope she's not as two-faced as she seems to be...

Anyway, pretty good episode. Except those two new characters are still really awkward.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on November 01, 2006, 09:08:37 PM
...spoilers....

Quote from: Chest Rockwell on November 01, 2006, 09:04:55 PM
those two new characters are still really awkward.

I hope their writing gets better for them. Right now it seems pretty clunky. I also winced when she asked about the TVs and Locke said 'well don't I feel stupid.'

Anyway, I thought this episode was the most interesting one of this season. Next Wednesday I will be on a plane and thus not watching Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 01, 2006, 10:57:51 PM
SPOILERS

I did not know anyone was going to die. I was surprised, and that weird Regis and Kelly theory was correct....

I'm not sure how I feel. It feels like a big waste, now only Bernard is left from the tail section, right?

That videotape was brilliant.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 01, 2006, 11:39:52 PM
SPOILERS

i dont like how tidy everything has been cleaned up as far as introducing 3 major characters and getting rid of them.  it's like season 2 never happened.  it felt like it was 'time to get rid of somebody' more than i thought his story was really done with.  there have been several occasions in the show where they hint at something that you feel can be explored in an interesting way and then they wont do that.  ("how long would it take to train an army?")  i thought that locke and eko's differences could've been explored further as their butting of heads was not as severe as it could've been.  eh, he was an interesting character and i felt there was more to him than we had time to see.  maybe thats the point.

yeah the new people are SO awkward.  and damn things are just getting crowded, i think they may finally have too many characters and are losing the balance when charlie and sayid are wandering around in the background giving a line or two. 

also: to believe julia or is THAT TOO part of the elaborate con.  i kinda hope so because if ben is so bad why dont they just get rid of him?  ben, meet cage, we're overthrowing you.  and if the stuff ben told jack about 'we were going to break you to get you to do stuff for us' wasnt a lie, its really really hard to believe.  why go through these lengths?  why not have just introduced yourself in the first place?  hey we're the others feel free to chill with us, oh ps. is anyone a spinal surgeon?  there have got to be other motives here. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pete on November 02, 2006, 08:52:22 AM
the blond housewife HAS to be evil, otherwise it's just too easy.  but, as someone who just watch it every once a while without following it too closely--can someone fill me in on why the Others are so terrible and threatening?  What have they done?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 02, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
Eko is monster mash
By William Keck, USA TODAY

Last season, Lost's Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) looked the island's mystical monster straight in the eye and lived to tell about it.

Last night on the ABC drama, Eko wasn't so lucky — the monster killed him.

With Eko's death, just one tail-section passenger is still around: Sam Anderson's Bernard. Last season, Michelle Rodriguez's Ana-Lucia and Cynthia Watros' Libby were shot by Michael (Harold Perrineau). With the departures of Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Perrineau and Malcolm David Kelley (Walt), there are no series regulars who are black.

Akinnuoye-Agbaje asked to be written off the series. After losing both parents last year, he wanted to return to his London home and work on a film he'll direct.

Elizabeth Mitchell, who plays Juliet, got to know him off the set. "We got along really well," she says. "He's about to direct his first movie about his life, which is an incredible story. He'll be missed."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on November 02, 2006, 11:33:54 AM
bernard wasn't really a tail section passenger though, he was out of his seat when the plane went down.

those two new characters better get interesting fast, every time they speak i get pulled out of the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on November 02, 2006, 12:08:16 PM
maybe possible spoilers, hell i don't know
ADMIN EDIT: DEFINITE SPOILERS (THINK ABOUT IT)
NOTE: If it wasn't in an episode or a commercial, it's a spoiler about things to come therefore should be properly labeled as such.

i kinda wonder if the newbs are others, planted from the beginning, and are just now starting their 'assignments.'

regarding last weeks episode: "further instructions"

Although it did not happen in the episode, the plot synopsis from the initial press release stated that "Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 02, 2006, 11:25:42 PM
Well, there are many things that dont go together...

First, the whole Ben/Henry illness and stuff seems strange. That and what Juliet said about getting rid of him. There are no signs until now that he is a bad guy, or at least that he is not worse than the other Others. Besides, he is not 'the leader', as far as they said before this season. He reports to somebody else.

They have boats, and they have access to a lot of things from the 'World', so why cant he travel and get an operation? Or the Hanso Foundation can provide? Unless they have nothing to do with the Hanso Foundation, Dharma and Widmore, which means that there are yet other Others on the Island.

Also, if they wanted to get rid of him so bad, why did they sent Michael to rescue him? They could have left him there as a hostage and if he got back someday there would be a new leader already.

All that, plus what modage said of them introducing themselves in a friendly way, at least with Jack, and getting him to cooperate.

Also, I did not like Ecko's dead because it was totally expected and it sucked. When Ana Lucia died, nobody had a clue. Same with Shannon, and with Boone's accident. This was expected for many reasons. They were saying somebody will die all along. They are showing a parttern that whoever has the flashback that particular episode is the one dying. And this episode was good, but they focused so much on Ecko that the other characters didnt exist.

The other seasons, particularily the first one and beginning of the 2nd season, everyone participated somehow in most episodes, even if it was mostly about the flashback character. Now, in five episodes since the season started we've had Charlie say 3 or 4 lines, which were stupid. Claire does no exist. Desmond is almost doing nothing. Hurley also had like 10 seconds of screentime this episode. Jin and Sun were not there. I dont know, it seems like its changing a lot from the original format, which is what made the show great. The story and the mysteries are still good and thats what keeps us hooked, but even if we like this episodes cause we are so excited about seeing what happens next, you cannot compare them to the other seasons in terms of writing and coherence. Everything is connected, but something that before was very clear now you have to really think hard to connect the dots and see why they decided to do what they did.

And those 2 new characters suck. That is a proof they did not know how to introduce them. They did a great job introducing the tail guys, and Henry, and Rousseau, but this also show that they got a little sloppy. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 03, 2006, 12:23:49 AM
'Lost's' Mr. Eko says goodbye
The character's death prompts anger and sadness, but actor Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje says the time was right.
Source: Los Angeles Times

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The "Lost" monster is back.

The billowy black smoke that ambiguously frightened the castaways in past seasons returned with a vengeance on Wednesday, pummeling the island's favorite "tailie," Mr. Eko, the priest. In the most affecting death scene on the ABC drama thus far, Mr. Eko, who once had confronted the monster and forced it to retreat, this time surrendered, reciting the 23rd Psalm.

Mr. Eko, played by Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, is the fifth central survivor to die since the jetliner crashed on the island. But the death of the criminal-turned-priest — or was he a man of faith who committed crimes for a greater good? — was the first to evoke such sadness and rage.

On ABC message boards and fan website lost-tv.com, Lost fans wasted no time expressing their feelings about the loss of the Nigerian priest who sat in the tail section of the plane and took a 40-day vow of silence when he survived the crash:

"How ... HOW?!?!?! Can you kill off arguably the most interesting, thought-provoking character in the series?" wrote one.

"He was my favorite character, and I am bawling like a dummy," wrote another fan.

"It's as if Eko was our good friend and more than a TV character," wrote a third. "We ... mourn the loss of Eko from the show."

The posters are not the only ones grieving. From the beginning, the show's producers knew Mr. Eko's time on the island would be brief. So they hastened the pace of the character's development, which, in turn, made the audience feel more attached.

A priest with a troubled past, Mr. Eko was the perfect counterpart to Locke (Terry O'Quinn), the only other castaway who seems aware of his destiny on the island. Fans on the Internet lamented the things they will miss the most: not seeing the church Mr. Eko was building on the island completed; and the personal touches he carved on the stick he carried. Others were downright furious, calling it "the worst episode ever."

With the other characters who died — Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby — "there was a quotient of shock value but there was the idea that it made sense, that it was the characters' time," co-creator Damon Lindelof said. "I think the audience may feel that Mr. Eko was taken before his time. The way that he dies is very significant. It is more spectacular, as it were."

When planning Mr. Eko's untimely demise, the writers looked at the episode in the second season in which Mr. Eko came face-to-face with the monster inhabiting the island and refused to relent, Lindelof said. What if the monster did not give up, as it seemed at the time? What if the monster was "just intelligence-gathering for a later date?"

"We wanted to make clear that the monster remains a dangerous force," executive producer Carlton Cuse said.

For his part, Akinnuoye-Agbaje said during an interview at the Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills last week that his character's story arc was designed to "provoke thought and evaluation of your choices, your judgments, and what you believe."

"It was such a great way to go," Akinnuoye-Agbaje said of his character. "He was really comfortable with being on the island and had started to build a church and looked at his plight as an opportunity to strengthen and deepen his faith."

But did the man whose faith remained steady, despite all of the challenges the mystery island posed, deserve to die so violently? Fans were split: Some thought it was Mr. Eko's turn to pay for lives he has taken; others were more moved by the character's compassion. Akinnuoye-Agbaje understands the reaction. As he got to know Mr. Eko, he often asked himself: Is Mr. Eko a priest masquerading as a criminal, or a criminal masquerading as a priest?

"No matter how many heads he chops up, you know his heart is pure," Akinnuoye-Agbaje said. "Even in the law, when you're convicting a criminal, it says intent. So it always goes back to the heart. From the very beginning, Eko kills a man to save his brother's life, which sends him on a spiral of murder, plunder and what have you to survive. But that was the deepest act of compassion: to give up his soul to save another's."

Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who also stirred emotions with his fierce portrayal of gang leader Simon Adebisi on HBO's "Oz," said he accepted the role because he had never been asked to play a character whose essence was compassion and inner peace.

At the time, Akinnuoye-Agbaje was focused on completing a biographical script for a film he will direct about the African, Asian and West Indian immigrants brought to Britain after World War II to work and were forced to leave their children in the care of strangers, sometimes for good. Akinnuoye-Agbaje hopes to begin production in a few months, which is why he had to say goodbye to "Lost."

"There's a whole generation of African kids born in Britain who had this cross-cultural identity crisis," said Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who was born in Britain and was raised there and in Nigeria. "And they didn't fit in Nigeria either because they were these white people inside Nigerian bodies. This story gives this a voice but it's also a story of victory because it shows my struggle through that process to come where I am."

Although Losties on the Web argued that there was more ground to cover with Mr. Eko, Akinnuoye-Agbaje said he felt that once Mr. Eko helped Locke find his faith again, his mission on the island was realized.

"The way he died is brutal, but it's a beautiful ending " Akinnuoye-Agbaje said. "Eko lived this life of torture, living double lives and that's a lot of energy to be running for your life, pretending to be this guy, that guy, never really showing who you are.... There was no point but to surrender [to death] so he just gave himself to it. Not out of fear, but acceptance."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 08, 2006, 10:21:06 PM
I'm saying it again... muthaFUCK this three month wait shit!

And fuck Taye Diggs too!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 08, 2006, 10:30:11 PM
a good episode, but i had expected more as it was the mini-season finale.  and now kate and jack can never be together.    :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 09, 2006, 12:17:55 AM
That was quite an episode. Quite a cliffhanger, as well. I can't fucking stand that Kate and Sawyer did the nasty. I've been hoping, against my better judgement, that she and Jack might end up together but then this shit...

FUCK I can't wait 16 weeks. FUCKFUCKFUCK.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on November 09, 2006, 05:43:39 AM
This unfortunately was the worst of the bunch. 

Kate's backstory isn't really interesting, other than how cute she looked wearing her hair like that.  And the love triangle is one of the weaker parts of the show right now.   

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 09, 2006, 06:50:35 AM
Quote from: JG on November 09, 2006, 05:43:39 AM
And the love triangle is one of the weaker parts of the show right now.   
I might have believed you except for that...

Granted, the love scene was a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on November 09, 2006, 11:18:48 AM
well, the show was almost as good as my philly cheese steak sandwich.  thanks again mordecai... never mind.  kate's flashbacks felt like ones of hers i've already seen before.  she did look damn cute though.  the kate & sawyer 'get it on' scene was indeed cheesy - the oc like material.  but the last 14 or 13 minutes were pretty grand. 

'sixteen new episodes - not one. single. repeat... not one!'  aaaah, i'm forgetting about the hiatus already.......... NOT!  

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 09, 2006, 01:15:51 PM
Pretty good episode, nice tension at the end. But:

How much greater would it have been if right when Kate and Sawyer started getting on, it cut to ALL the Others crowded around the surveillance monitors where Ben usually sits, with popcorn, bobbing their heads, like, "Niiiiiiiiiice!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 09, 2006, 01:40:19 PM
When did Matthew Fox turn into a real actor?  He always used to seem like more of just a genial screen presence, but he's been cranking it up to eleven recently. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on November 09, 2006, 02:04:35 PM
This episode actually made me dislike the last one more. 
I liked the ending, but it was twenty minutes stretched into an hour... padding it with Kate and Sawyer getting together (seriously, some of you were actually surprised by that at this point?) and Kate's boring unnecessary flashbacks.

I'm hoping this chunk of episodes was just a teaser for the REAL season starting in February.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 09, 2006, 02:40:45 PM
I was expecting Nathan Fillion to curse in Chinese.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on November 09, 2006, 03:06:12 PM
Why is it that Mal's women keep drugging him?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on November 09, 2006, 03:50:26 PM
i feel like this whole mini season could've been covered in half the amount of episodes. while i do enjoy some of the character development this season, i'm starting to get impatient (and i was always the one to defend the show when my friends would complain about it going no where)

hopefully it gets off the treadmill next year
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on November 09, 2006, 10:54:12 PM
i really hate that they did that. there was a million better things they could have been doing. they could have run away. they could have snuck into the building to look for jack. they could have found that young girl and asked her what the fuck was going on. they could have killed a guard, taken his gun and taken him hostage and bargained for jack. but no, they fucked. they just stayed there and fucked. and then cuddled and talked.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 10, 2006, 10:17:40 AM
I dunno, I didn't like it but not for that reason. I mean, there's no point to doing anything stupid because they are really at the mercy of the Others at this point, being cut off from their own island and all. They can't just run and hide, because they can't go anywhere, and would end up either being caught or having to come back anyway once they figure out that the only way to get back to the island is through the Others. Additionally, taking someone hostage wouldn't really help, either, for the same reason. Perhaps sex was the best thing they could do for psychological reasons, but even so the scene was still awkward...I mean, sex when being held by the Others would be, I would think, the last thing on their mind, given that they are being held prisoner with cameras on them and all that, and the chance one of the Others could come at any moment and bash their skulls in. I guess the sexual tension between the two just had to be released that badly.

In any case, Jack is quickly becoming the most interesting character to follow. As polka stated, Matthew Fox is rockin' it right now; Ben and ice queen are both interesting characters to boot.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 10, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
"Ice Queen" is up to something.  She wants Ben out of the picture so she can be leader.

I'm don't really like the episodes so far, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they are building up to something good.  I feel bad condemning the season when we're only, what, 6 episodes in?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 10, 2006, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ravi on November 10, 2006, 11:15:44 AMI'm don't really like the episodes so far, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they are building up to something good.

Like the two fruit chopping new characters being the stars of the show?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 10, 2006, 12:37:25 PM
They're the new Kate and Sawyer, I tells ya!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 10, 2006, 06:00:33 PM
Quote from: Ravi on November 10, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
I'm don't really like the episodes so far, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they are building up to something good.  I feel bad condemning the season when we're only, what, 6 episodes in?

That's pretty much the same thing people were saying after the first 6 episodes or so of last season, and these 6 were WAAAY better than those 6.  I don't think we have anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 11, 2006, 04:27:55 PM
I just saw Running Scared for the first time last night, and now I think ice queen is even creepier. I don't know whether or not she was hired for LOST after Running Scared came out, but if she was, I can see why they picked her. What the fuck is her character's name again, anyway? Probably something icy like "Meredith" or "Cruella."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 11, 2006, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on November 11, 2006, 04:27:55 PM
What the fuck is her character's name again, anyway?

Juliet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 13, 2006, 09:50:38 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 09, 2006, 01:40:19 PM
When did Matthew Fox turn into a real actor?  He always used to seem like more of just a genial screen presence, but he's been cranking it up to eleven recently. 

Only recently? That guy has been rocking all three seasons, I've always thought he was the best of the bunch, next to Locke.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 13, 2006, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: polkablues on November 11, 2006, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on November 11, 2006, 04:27:55 PM
What the fuck is her character's name again, anyway?

Juliet.  Smirky McGee.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on November 13, 2006, 04:08:21 PM
Oh man. I just saw this because I was away on Wednesday. For a while I was like, "eh," frustrated and jet lagged. Then when Jack went into insane-mode I too went insane. This was really great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 14, 2006, 12:35:42 AM
Only 3 more months... people try not to post in this thread until February because everytime I see it I want to destroy my TV
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on November 15, 2006, 02:59:55 PM
ok
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on November 19, 2006, 07:45:21 PM
For those of you that havn't heard, during each episode of "Black Groundhog Day" there are new 'Lost' moments from the 2007 season.

Here's moment #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7jpLLTKZis

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on November 24, 2006, 05:24:38 PM
Lost is my new favorite TV series, movie, book, song, country and meal  :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 05, 2006, 01:30:30 AM
The Maine Event
EW.com tagged along as the executive producers of ''Lost'' traveled north to meet their show's most famous fan, horror maestro Stephen King
Source: Entertainment Weekly

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In the Dec. 1 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Lost fans will find a nice treat to help get through this weird winter hiatus. It's actually something that's been cooking in the EW oven since last summer, and we decided to serve it up in our special ''Inspirations'' issue, in which we asked a bevy of your favorite pop culture people to discuss their influences. If you know Lost well, then surely you know that the producers of the show are huge fans of Stephen King. And if you read the author's monthly column in EW, you know our resident It man is a huge fan is a huge fan of Lost, too. In light of this mutual admiration, we thought it was about time these guys got together and talked — with us listening, of course.

Officially, their 90-minute conversation took place on Aug. 11 at Stephen King's office in Bangor, Maine. I had the privilege of hanging out with this fab foursome — King, plus Lost producers JJ Abrams, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. I say ''hang out'' because even though I was technically there to moderate, no moderation was necessary. King took charge from the start, serving the role of interlocutor with ease. The producers were candid and had questions of their own.

The conversation unexpectedly stretched well beyond the initial back-and-forth in King's office. ''Unexpectedly,'' because somewhere in the chat, when the subject of movies came up, the following exchange took place:

DAMON: I heard The Descent is awesome.

STEPHEN: Oh yeah. Oh, I saw that the other day.

DAMON: Did you like it?

STEPHEN: Are you guys going to be around tonight? We ought to go see that.

DAMON: Yeah, we're around!

CARLTON: Yeah!

DAMON: I hear it's scary as all hell.

STEPHEN: It is. It's great. It's a horror movie for big people.

DAMON: Let's go.

JJ ABRAMS: Should we have dinner?

It went from there. After King brought an end to the official conversation (''I'm hungry! You got everything you needed, Doc J?"), we went to his house for a little bit and hung out in his basement library, where Damon and Carlton revealed a few secrets about the upcoming season, all of which you've now seen — The Hydra Station, Sawyer figuring out the feeding mechanism in his cage, and Desmond's precognition powers.

Afterward, we went to dinner at one of King's favorite places, and the patrons greeted him with the perfect combination of warmth and respect and healthy distance. In general, I was struck by how the good people of Bangor seemed very protective of their famous neighbor. Or maybe they just like to mess with out-of-towners. Earlier in the day, when I drove Damon and Carlton from the airport to King's office, I kinda got mixed up with the directions. So we stopped and sought help from two different people with offices in the general vicinity of where we needed to be, and they obliged by giving us very specific instructions on where we should go. They told us where we could go, all right — in the exact opposite direction of where we needed to be. At the time, this was very frustrating, but in retrospect, we all found this very, very cool. Good on you, people of Bangor.

And by the way, when we finally found King's office, he couldn't resist the joke waiting to be made: ''Ah, so you were... lost?'' Rimshot!

During dinner, I wrestled with a Maine lobster as King and the producers talked. I could barely follow their dishy chatter, because Messy MacLobster was giving me some serious problems. Afterward, we went to the movie. When we arrived, a backpack-wearing young man sitting outside the theater looked our way, then did a double-take. He stood and drifted toward us, as if in a trance. ''Mr. King,'' he said, ''I just wanted to say I'm a big fan...'' A sledgehammer joke was waiting to be made, but not by King, who was nothing but gracious: He shook the dude's hand and thanked him as we walked toward the entrance.

JJ paid for our admission, Damon picked up the snacks, Cartlon got to sit next to King. ''Talk about an iconic moment in one's life,'' Cuse said later. ''To be sitting there in the movie theater and discovering that he was a guy who talked back to the screen was an incredibly revelatory moment. We were watching a horror movie trailer, and somebody in that trailer said 'What am I doing here?' and King called out in his Maine accent, 'You're in a bad horror movie!' He was such a good guy.''

Afterward, we found our cars in the parking lot. We said thank you, like, a million times, and King said he had fun, wished us well, and drove off. It started to rain, big fat drops, but we didn't leave. We couldn't. ''We absolutely must process what just happened here,'' said Abrams, who had driven down for the day from his own home in Maine. ''Did that just happen?''

''It's always great when you meet your idol and he fulfills all your expectations," Cuse said. "I thought he was enormously charming and so... normal. I loved the moment when we were driving up, and you were lost driving, and I was on the phone with the assistant who said 'Stephen will come out and meet you. He's wearing a black Halloween T-shirt'' — and there he was, waving us in. He was such a good guy. It was kind of mind-blowing to find out he was as big a fan of Lost as we are of his work. That was actually kind of hard to accept.''

Lindelof has similar thoughts: ''I kept waiting to see the chink in the armor. I never did. My favorite moment was this: We all had opportunity to drive with Stephen King during the day, and he drove me from dinner to the movie theater. As we were driving over there I saw — down at my feet in his car — a scratch off lottery ticket. I picked it up and looked at it and asked: 'Is this yours?' And he said, 'Yep.' And I said, 'You buy scratchers?' He said, 'Yep, Someone's gotta win.' I just thought it was just so awesome that Stephen King, who really has won the lottery in every way, shape, and form, is still the kind of guy who stops at the local convenience store to buy a scratcher.''

Anyway: It was a cool day, and I was lucky to be there. And if you pick up the new issue of EW, you can get a great sense of what it was like, as well as hear some provocative talk about the current state of Lost. And in the coming weeks, I'll share some stuff that I saved just for you faithful EW.com readers. Until then: Namaste!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 05, 2006, 09:36:50 PM
ABC protects 'Lost'
Shift ensures the show won't have to battle 'American Idol'
Source: Variety

ABC is moving "Lost" out of the way of the "American Idol" juggernaut.

Alphabet on Tuesday unveiled a January sked that has the spooky Wednesday drama moving back an hour to 10 p.m. when it returns Feb. 7. Shift -- the third timeslot for the show in as many years -- ensures the skein won't have to battle the Fox behemoth.

A year ago, "Lost" scored boffo numbers at 9 p.m. during the fall but took a notable ratings hit once "Idol" returned in January. Skein has since held steady in the ratings, but ABC execs clearly don't want to risk further slippage.

Net's affils should be happy with the shift. With "Lost" at 10 p.m., ABC will likely deliver local stations their best new lead-in numbers for the slot in years.

In addition to shielding "Lost" from "Idol," ABC is also protecting it from rising CBS drama "Criminal Minds" and NBC's "Deal or No Deal," which moves into the 9 p.m. Wednesday slot next month.

As for what will compete against "Idol," ABC has decided that laughter -- and games -- are the best medicine. Net has slotted its laffer "Knights of Prosperity" Wednesdays at 9 p.m., directly against the "Idol" results show. It'll be paired at 9:30 with another new comedy, "In Case of Emergency."

Laffer hour is set to debut Jan. 3, a month before "Day Break" was set to end its run. ABC News programming will fill the 10 p.m. Wednesday slot in January before "Lost" returns.

"Day Break" will either be yanked after its Dec. 27 broadcast or moved to another night. No word on what will happen with the remaining five episodes of the skein, if ABC doesn't move the show to a new night.

ABC will round out its Wednesday lineup with new episodes of "George Lopez" and "According to Jim" from 8-9 p.m. Net will double-pump "Jim" for a few weeks starting Jan. 3, with "George" bowing Jan. 24 at 8 p.m.

On Tuesdays, William Shatner is expected to take on Simon Cowell and Co. as quizzer "Show Me the Money" shifts to 8 p.m. on Jan. 2. It'll be paired with "Big Day" and "Help Me Help You" at 9 and 9:30, respectively.

"Help Me" may eventually be replaced by newcomer "Notes From the Underbelly," though ABC didn't announce any firm plans for that show.

ABC's Sunday, Monday and Thursday skeds are unchanged for now. At some point, the net will have to make room for the return of "Dancing With the Stars" in March, prompting another round of sked shuffles.

On Fridays, ABC will continue to vamp with repeats. Saturday will be a mix of movies and specials.

Still on the bench: six unaired episodes of "The Nine" and "Six Degrees," as well as midseason contenders "October Road," "The Traveler" and "Masters of Sci-Fi."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 03, 2007, 04:56:04 PM
'Lost' Landings
Fans and the show's exec producer disagree over the recent casting
Source: EW

When word recently leaked that Lost had cast actress Bai Ling for a three-episode stint starting in February, even loyalists began to wonder whether Lost had finally lost it. It seems that Ling — known for her work in Red Corner — doesn't exactly command much respect. Wrote one poster at thetailsection.com: ''I kind of view [her] casting as a jump the shark situation. I hope I'm wrong.'' Well...you are! At least partially. Contrary to reports, the actress will appear in just one episode of the ABC drama — flashbacks in which the secret of Jack's (Matthew Fox) made-in-Thailand tattoos will be revealed. Moreover, Lost thinks Bai Ling is awesome! ''She's off-the-charts sexy and a damn good actress,'' says exec producer Carlton Cuse. On the other hand, Losties seemed rather high (and then very, very hungry) about another bit of quirky casting: Cheech Marin, who is somewhat short, has been tapped to play father to Hurley, who is somewhat...not short. ''He's quite a good actor,'' says Cuse, who used to be Marin's boss on Nash Bridges. ''People only think of him as the doobie-smoking '70s dude. But he played Tyne Daly's love interest in Judging Amy. C'mon!'' While we're being wacky: How about asking Don Johnson to match stubbled cheeks and drawls with Sawyer? ''No,'' says Cuse. See? Those Lost guys do know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on January 14, 2007, 11:55:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070115/ap_en_tv/tv_abc_lost

'Lost' producers in talks about end date
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer

Makers of the tropical island drama "Lost" say they're talking with ABC executives about setting an end date for the series.

There's no sense the finale is coming anytime soon. But knowing they have a deadline will help writers of the convoluted drama lay out how they want the story to end, producers said Sunday in a meeting with TV critics here.

"Once we figure out when that will be, a lot of the questions will go away," said Carlton Cuse, an executive producer. "Lost" is in its third season.

The producers, citing Fox's "The X-Files," said they didn't want to wear out their welcome. "That was a great show that probably ran two seasons too long," Cuse said. "That is a cautionary tale for us."

"Lost" is due back on ABC's schedule next month following an extended hiatus after the season's first six episodes and will air uninterrupted through May. The schedule was a direct result of fans' complaints about reruns disrupting their concentration in past seasons, producers said.

It's likely next year that all 22 episodes will run consecutively, much like Fox is doing with "24."

One prominent critic — ABC Entertainment President Stephen McPherson — said he thought the first six episodes this season concentrated too heavily on the stories of Jack, Kate and Sawyer at the expense of other members of the large cast.

The producers said that will be rectified right away for the season's second half as "Lost" goes back to the beach.

"Lost," which is shifting back an hour to 10 p.m. Eastern time, Wednesdays, on ABC's schedule, has seen a 14 percent drop in its audience this year, according to Nielsen Media Research. Producers contend the numbers are deceptive because of a comparison with the second season, when "Lost" was a cultural sensation.

The producers concede that it's a demanding story for viewers to keep up with, and not one that people can join in the middle.

"We want them back," executive producer Damon Lindelof said of the lost fans. "We really believe in the show and the audience we're getting. But if we write towards getting them back, we may alienate the audience that we already have."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 15, 2007, 01:27:19 AM
McPherson: 'Lost' on track, ready for marathon
Source: Hollywood Reporter

PASADENA -- Speaking to the assembled television press bright and early on Sunday morning, ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson -- more relaxed and jovial than during similar sessions in recent years -- insisted that despite claims that the megahit "Lost" had literally lost its way creatively during the kickoff of its third season this past fall, he believes the show is in fine shape, thanks very much.

"You know, I liked it. I think that (executive producers) Damon (Lindelof) and Carlton (Cuse) made a clear choice that that first installment would be really about the experience of Jack and Kate and Sawyer and The Others," McPherson said. "I thought it was really a riveting six episodes, and the production values, I think they exceeded even their own standards. But I like it when they're all together, and I think we're headed toward that when you come back after (the hiatus)."

Indeed, some have criticized the decision to launch "Lost" in the fall for seven weeks and then give it a four-month rest throughout much of the fall and winter. (It returns to ABC's schedule next month.) In hindsight, McPherson admits this way have been something of a mistake in hindsight and looks to go the route Fox does with "24," running all 20-something episodes consecutively with no repeats, next year.

"I even said last fall, ideally the way you would do 'Lost' is 22 straight (episodes), 23 straight, as many as we had done," McPherson said. "I think for us, given where we were in our development, we really needed to (launch it) in the fall. ... I think coming into next fall there's a good chance we would run it 22 straight either in the fall or in the spring."

McPherson also spoke to the idea that committing to so many serialized dramas last fall may well have been a tactical error, certainly considering the weak performances of "The Nine" and "Daybreak." But he stands behind having committed to them despite his admission they were both "big disappointments."

"The shows were incredibly well-produced," he maintained. "We loved the shows creatively. ... It may have just been the timing."

The programming guru added that both "The Nine" and the poorly rated freshman drama "Six Degrees" still have a chance to return to the sked this spring despite having been pulled. "Six Degrees," in fact, is currently in production to finish out its original 13-episode order.

In the main McPherson stressed that things are pretty good in ABC-ville. The ballyhooed move of "Grey's Anatomy" to Thursdays opposite "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" this season has worked out better than anyone could have expected, with "Grey's" regularly beating "CSI" in the coveted adults 18-49 column, and "we have two of the top three new shows in 'Ugly Betty' and 'Brothers & Sisters,'" he pointed out. "We're up in total viewers on Monday night without 'Monday Night Football.' We're the number one network 18-49."

That said, many of ABC's rookie series have struggled to find their footing. That includes the comedy "The Knights of Prosperity," a half-hour built around the antics of an oddball group of New Yorkers who set their sights on robbing Mick Jagger. But McPherson maintains he is still committed to the genre. "The great thing is that people are taking chances," he believes. "I mean, for us, taking chances is what redefined us. ... We hope we can get a bigger audience for (comedies). But I also don't think that the sitcom is dead. I don't think I could point to a great multicamera show that has been put on the air, marketed well, and failed. So it's frustrating. It's challenging. We definitely want bigger audiences for them. I believe that comedy is due to kind of explode."

McPherson gamely fielded a number of other conversation threads during the Q&A that ranged from his opinion of the controversial "The Path to 9/11" -- which he said the network "loved" and stood by despite accusations that key facts were distorted to make the Clinton administration look bad -- to the bleak state of TV movies on broadcast TV.

McPherson noted that ABC is likely to go the entire season without airing a made-for ("Path to 9/11" aired on the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks and outside of the regular season.) but he said he still believed there were "select opportunities" for longform programming on the network. McPherson's sole news bulletin for the scribes who turned out for his Sunday early-a.m. session was that "Dancing with the Stars" will return to ABC's schedule with a pair of two-hour editions on March 19 and 26.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 17, 2007, 01:27:32 AM
Lindelof Talks Lost's End
Source: SciFi Wire

Damon Lindelof, co-creator and executive producer of ABC's hit show Lost, told SCI FI Wire that 100 episodes is the magic number for the series, and that he would like to see it end in the fifth season. "Personally speaking, from the word 'go,' it always felt to me somewhere in the neighborhood between 90 and 100 episodes was going to be a version of Lost where we never had to do the bad season," Lindelof said in an interview after a press conference at the Television Critics Association press tour in Pasadena, Calif., on Jan. 14. "We knew season one was going to be introduction, season two was going to be into the hatch, season three was going to be the others. I don't want to tell you what season four is going to be. And then there was a wrap-up season, a shortened version, that would put you somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 episodes. At the end of season four we'll have produced 93 hours of the show. And I would imagine that would be very close to where it would end, ideally."

Lindelof and co-producer Carlton Cuse created a stir at the press tour when they announced during the panel that they are in discussions with the network about finding an end point to the show. They didn't give any details on the discussions, or a specific end date for the show, but Lindelof said in an interview that they have always had one in mind.

"We all looked at each other at the very beginning and said, 'By the grace of God will this show even survive 13 episodes,'" he said. "So Carlton and I are able to now sit down with [the network] and say, 'Remember in the very beginning when you were having us convince you that this thing could go on for years and years and years and we all agreed it couldn't? Well, now, just because it's successful doesn't mean that that's changed.' The reality is, they can produce a sixth or seventh or eighth season, but would anybody be watching? Because the show will be so miserable by that time. Was it really The X-Files anymore when [David] Duchovny and Gillian Anderson weren't on the show? For me, The X-Files wasn't about, 'Have aliens invaded?' It was about Mulder and Scully—a skeptic and a believer—and once that element of the show was gone, the show was over. So we don't want to produce those episodes of Lost, and in fact, we're not going to produce those episodes of Lost."

As for what Lost is about, Lindelof has a clear idea, and a specific plan about what needs to happen to the characters before the story concludes. "This show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their lives, who get on an airplane and crash on an island and become physically lost on the planet Earth," he said. "And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again. When you look at the entire show, that's what it will look like. That's what it's always been about."

Lost returns with the first of an uninterrupted run of episodes on Feb. 7. It will still air on Wednesdays, but in a later timeslot, at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mikey B on January 19, 2007, 11:24:57 AM
The number of 100 episodes seems logical and the really the way to go. It makes sense that all the weird unusual mysteries would be discovered and done by that time. Its now only a matter of how and and what the answers are. I'm so glad they made that decision for it not to be dragged out, like a mental patient kicking and screaming and intead they're just gonna end it, peiod during the middle or late begiing of the first season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 22, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Lost Gets Back To Basics
Source: SciFi Wire

Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin in ABC's hit SF series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming second half of the third season will focus on the entire cast, rather than the story of Jack, Kate and Sawyer, which was showcased in the first six episodes of the season. "It's been a season of transition, I think," Kim said in an interview at the Television Critics press tour in Pasadena, Calif., last week. "Because we went from an ensemble show to one that focused on a smaller number of characters. So for a lot of us, it's meant having more free time than we originally thought. But now it's changing again, and we're getting back to the island, and we're finding a rhythm."

Kim is bilingual in real life, but his character is just beginning to learn English, and as his character becomes more fluent in the language, Kim said that he looks forward to interacting more with the other cast members. "It's something that the producers and I have been talking about for a little while," he said. "It just leads to different kinds of interaction with the other characters on the show. I think it would be great to have a change of pace for Jin in that way. ... Part and parcel of speaking English is becoming involved with the main action of the island. Right now, I don't think Jin and Sun are that involved with the mythology of the show. They have a kind of separate subplot that exists independent of what the other characters are doing a lot of the time. And I'm looking forward to seeing how they fit into the big picture."

Another change coming in the latter half of the season is a lighter tone, Kim said. The relationship between Jin and his wife, Sun (Yunjin Kim, who is no relation in real life), will grow even stronger in the next few episodes. "Everyone talks about the island having redemptive qualities," he said. "And I think it was redemptive for their relationship as well. As far as where their relationship goes from here, I'm curious to see myself. I'm sure a baby will change our dynamic. It generally does. ... We've already shot a few things where it's lighter. It's a different kind of feel to a scene with Jin in it. It's a welcome change."

As for the rumor of an impending character death, Kim didn't deny it, but hoped that audiences would be watching the show for reasons other than finding out who will be the next to be killed off. "Our show for some reason has taken on this mystery of who's going to die next," he said "And I'm not sure how that happened or why it's happening. And I'm hoping that it doesn't become the main focus of what the audience is looking for."

Lost returns on Feb. 7 in a new, later timeslot, 10 p.m. ET/PT on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 02, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
All will be revealed, 'Lost' team promises
By Bill Keveney, USA TODAY

When ABC's Lost returns on Wednesday, fans will find answers and favorite characters over the course of 16 consecutive new episodes, executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof say. Specifically:
Expect these answers

•How Locke ended up in a wheelchair before arriving at Lost's island.

•How Jack got his tattoos.

•What The Others' Ethan was doing before he came to the island.

•What happened to Desmond, who may be having premonitions, when the hatch exploded in the second-season finale.

•The effects of the purple sky, which followed the hatch explosion, on the island.

•More details about the Dharma Initiative, the island psychosocial experiment.

Look for these story lines

•Resolution of much of the November cliffhanger (Wednesday), with Jack operating on Ben and urging Kate and Sawyer to escape. The episode will feature Juliet's first flashback.

•Relationships, including Kate-Sawyer, Claire-Charlie and Juliet-Jack. Interestingly, Kate still has some feelings for Jack.

•The surprise pregnancy of Sun, with some relevant questions: Who's the dad? How does being pregnant put her in danger?

•The return of favorite beach castaways, who were mostly left off-screen in the fall, in a Feb. 14 "beach-centric" episode, Lindelof says. Lost will get off The Others' island after the third episode, the first of four featuring flashbacks of original characters.

•Coming back to the second season's final moment, when Desmond's lost love, Penny Widmore, apparently tracked the location of the island.

Catch these guest stars

•Cheech Marin as Hurley's father in a Hurley flashback.

•Bai Ling appearing in a Jack flashback.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 06, 2007, 01:36:02 AM
Lost Special Goes Online

ABC is posting the Lost Survivor Guide, a special on the SF show, on ABC.com and Yahoo! TV, starting Feb. 6. Hosted by executive producer and co-creator Damon Lindelof and executive producer Carlton Cuse, the Survival Guide will bring viewers up to date in anticipation of the show's return on Feb. 7.

The special focuses on the flashbacks of a core of characters, illustrating who they were and what they were doing before the crash, and how the island has changed their lives, for better or worse. The special will also explore the island and may reveal secrets that might have been missed upon first viewing.

In addition to the Lost Survivor Guide, ABC.com has made available all six of the current third season's previously aired episodes on its broadband video player. Lost returns in a new Wednesday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot and will air new episodes without reruns and interruptions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 06, 2007, 10:21:08 AM
FUCK IT STARTS TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

:bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 08, 2007, 09:45:55 AM
MINOR SPOILERS

God, I missed this show!  Such higher quality "holy shit" moments than 24 can ever really deliver. Hopefully, they realize just how pissy the hardcore fans got at a three month break just 6 weeks after another 3 month break, and how the casual fans (like my mother) may not tune back in again because it was too long a wait.

This was definitely a better episode than the first 6 this season.  I'm not fond of Juliet's permanent smirk but I like the character more now.  And I haven't had a chance to check the message boards or re-watch the episode but now we have a new company connected to Dharma and hopefully, some deaf lip-reading geeks can tell us a little of what Ben said to Juliet when Jack left the OR.

The big winner, though, was the "wookiee prisoner gag."  Priceless.

I feel whole again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2007, 10:43:38 AM
ok, LOST is my reason for living BUT i will say these things.  this season, like Arrested Development Season 3, is not up to par.  it's not bad, it is just not as great.  i'm not usually in the camp of 'it's not going anywhere!' lost watchers, but i think this season is not on the right track so far.  we're 7 episodes in and really are just now starting to go anywhere.  (and not in the clever season 2 way where it kept doubling back on itself, that was brilliant). 

number one, the others were a terrifying presence because they were such a mystery.  THE OTHERS.  creepy henry gale shows up and has got to be evil.  they're snatching people out of their camp for nefarious purposes and showing up in the woods.  ethan.  to actually have to show the others and explain this mystery and humanize them takes away this element from the show.  i had secretly been hoping the 'we're the good guys' was to mean that THESE others are not the REAL others on the island, but i don't think thats the case.  i guess it had to be done at some point BUT still, its like Young Hannibal Lecter or The Keyser Souze: The Movie.  its scarier knowing less.

in regards to 24, i'll tell you: i have watched 4 seasons in the last month and am currently going through season 5 and the entire time the show has been slowly winning me over with the caveat: it's still no LOST.  and maybe absorbing SO MUCH of that show has also changed my viewing of LOST with fresh eyes to be more slow as molassas.  sure it can't compete with 24 for thrills but there were elements of mystery and the bigger picture that make it more satisfying viewing.  i'm not sure if thats still the case.  i hope the show finds its way and starts to reapproach greatness because right now i'm not so sure.

i hate juliet, i don't care about her backstory, i will never sympathize with her.  she is the new ana lucia.

2nd deadwood chick.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 08, 2007, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: modage on February 08, 2007, 10:43:38 AM
(and not in the clever season 2 way where it kept doubling back on itself, that was brilliant). 

Don't make me go back through the pages and search for proof, but weren't you very critical of Season 2 for much of its duration?  Is it possible that you only recognize brilliance in hindsight?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2007, 06:25:09 PM
no, season 2 is easily as good as season 1 EXCEPT there were about 4 consecutive episodes midway through that were a season 3 level of quality. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 08, 2007, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: modage on February 08, 2007, 06:25:09 PM
no, season 2 is easily as good as season 1 EXCEPT there were about 4 consecutive episodes midway through that were a season 3 level of quality. 

Okay, I went back and looked through the old posts and you're right; it was just those few of your "hated it" episodes that I was remembering.  You're still wrong about this season, though.  As far as I'm concerned, they could make this entire season about the Others and not even go back to the main island until season 4, and that would be cool with me.  The more bits and pieces I find out about them, the more compelling the remaining mystery becomes.  And Juliet is one of the best characters on the show now.  Top five, easy.  For as long as we don't have to sit through another Charlie flashback episode, this season owns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 08, 2007, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: polkablues on February 08, 2007, 07:54:40 PMAnd Juliet is one of the best characters on the show now.  Top five, easy.

She has completely taken "Henry Gale's" place as the-one-you-love-to-hate. And yet, she's almost like the female version of Jack.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 08, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on February 08, 2007, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: polkablues on February 08, 2007, 07:54:40 PMAnd Juliet is one of the best characters on the show now.  Top five, easy.
And yet, she's almost like the female version of Jack.
I got that same vibe during last night's episode. A lot of the mystery behind her persona has been dispelled, which is really my one complaint with last night's show. She's still one of the more compelling characters right now. And I'm with polka in that at this point I don't give a shit about the main island. For the most part I always thought their stories were not as interesting, so this focus on Jack/Kate/Sawyer and The Others is refreshing because it's actually interesting.

Also, that brainwashing bit was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen on network TV.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 08, 2007, 09:29:55 PM
I agree, Juliet is probably my favorite character right now. She's a really terrific actress.

What was with the guy from Portland wearing eye-liner? Or was it just me?

Did I miss any references back to seasons 1 or 2? I feel like Edmund Burke was familiar, perhaps other things...it's been so long, my brain hasn't retained all that information about the first two seasons. Burke did kind of look like a manorexic Chapelle from 24.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 08, 2007, 10:01:59 PM
some of you seem mad that a lot of the mystery has worn off, but i'm willing to bet that within a few episodes, we'll have a few more mysterious characters.   

anybody catching references to "jacob?"  

i love this show. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 08, 2007, 10:31:28 PM
besides the Biblical quotation during the techno clockwork orange scene, where are other instances?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 09, 2007, 02:03:56 PM
the room 23:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvp2PF8XilY

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Room_23
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 09, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: Gamblour le fountain on February 08, 2007, 10:31:28 PM
besides the Biblical quotation during the techno clockwork orange scene, where are other instances?

they referrenced him in "I Do," where Danny says something like "he wasn't on Jacob's list." 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 09, 2007, 04:28:54 PM
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'Lost' and Found
The cast and creative forces behind ABC's revolutionary drama spill secrets, answer critics, and mull over how and when they would like to seal the hatch for good

No more mysteries. No more clues. No more questions wrapped inside questions with secret compartments for extra questions. What you need from ABC's castaways-in-paradise cryptodrama Lost are answers, and we're going to give you one — right here, right now. The exact wording is being formulated by star Matthew Fox as he sits in the shade of a twisted tree, pulling tufts of grass from the Hawaiian soil. The answer is simple and definitive, and his brown eyes flicker with defiance as it passes through his lips: ''No.''

Don't worry: Elaboration is forthcoming. We're nestled in the lush foothills of Oahu's north shore, where Lost is shooting the 13th episode of its controversial third season. If you recall the opener in October, you'll recognize this idyllic village setting, with its cookie-cutter cabins and garden gazebo, as hostile territory. ''Welcome to Othersville,'' says Michael Emerson, a.k.a. Ben, the creepy-cunning leader of Mystery Island's devious denizens, the Others. ''Everything's relaxed. The stakes are low. And naturally, all of this is a big setup for...something.'' The spoiler cops won't allow us to reveal that something, let alone expand upon such intriguing sights as Others-recruited fertility doc Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) pushing Ben in a wheelchair, or Jack (Fox) cheerfully lobbing a football to his sworn enemy Mr. Friendly (M.C. Gainey). ''Everyone should be wondering what the hell is going on,'' explains Fox during a break. ''Has Jack been converted by the Others? Drugged? Is he pretending? All sorts of scenarios could be happening here.'' (At that moment, Evangeline Lilly — a.k.a. Kate — buzzes by and interjects: ''Don't believe a word he says. He's a liar!'')

Intriguing possibilities followed by maddening murkiness — that sentiment seems to sum up Lost lately. As the show ends its three-month hiatus with 16 consecutive episodes (designed to eliminate momentum-killing repeats) in a new 10 p.m. time slot on Wednesdays (to shield it from that Nielsen polar bear called American Idol), Lost finds itself at a crossroads: its heady pop-phenom days in the rearview, and life as just a really good show looming ahead. The problem? A nagging sense that ''really good'' isn't good enough. Sucks to be a piece of highly profitable game-changing genius, doesn't it?

Coming off season 2's explosive finale, season 3's initial batch of six episodes fell short of lofty expectations and triggered concerns that Lost's mojo was as ephemeral as its infamous smoke monster. There's too much emphasis on the Others! Where are old faves like Sayid and Hurley? Mr. Eko's death was lame! I hate the new castaways Nikki and Paulo! Locke's sweat lodge was too...sweaty! While the demand for satisfying resolutions to dangling plot questions intensified and suspicions of written-out-of-their-rears hucksterism multiplied, the audience began to dwindle (down 19 percent from the same period in fall 2005). Lost's geek buzz teleported over to NBC's Heroes, and the drama drew fewer viewers in its last two fall episodes than — oh, the unsexy horror! — Mandy Patinkin's Criminal Minds on CBS. Suddenly, the show everyone loved to theorize about had become the show everyone loved to bitch about.

Yet cast and crew see another side to the story: The critics are wrong. Those who pine for episodes filled with beloved characters and familiar situations can't appreciate the true ambition of Lost, which is to tell a deep, sprawling, intricate saga; one that is slowly, if sometimes tangentially, building toward an ultimate end. Mistakes have been made (Mr. Eko's sudden demise, a lackluster fall cliff-hanger), concede executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, but they also believe that their allegedly dubious creative choices are about to be vindicated. Hopefully. ''I feel like we're playing a chess game,'' analogizes Lindelof, ''and in the first six moves, we've lost our queen and two bishops, and the audience is saying 'They are the worst chess players in the world!' What they don't realize is that we're nine moves away from checkmating you. If we lose, we lose. But that's the play, and we're standing by it.''

Nobody is more proud — and more defensive — about Lost than Fox. The fall from amazing grace? That's just the headline-hungry media tearing down what the cast and crew built up. The ratings decline? Those were simply hype-intrigued looky-loos who've decided Lost isn't for them and gravitated toward less complicated fare. ''Good riddance,'' says Fox. Besides, as the actor rightly points out, the show still ranks No. 5 ''in the category that makes this world go around'' — the 18-to-49 demographic. And what of the devotees who yearn for those innocent invisible-peanut-butter-flavored beach days? ''The people who rag on it that way aren't strong enough fans, really,'' he says. ''Those people are copping out.''

So...Lost hasn't lost it? ''No.''

It's an answer. Simple. Definitive. Defiant. The question is, Do you buy it?

To be clear, the creators of Lost don't have their heads buried in the sand. They hear the grumbling. They recognize that Lost's future is dependent upon making viewers happy. And guess what? Lindelof even considers some of their complaints to be ''legitimate...but that doesn't make them any easier to hear.''

So what happened? The producers believe the primary cause of discontent stems from the way they made use of season 3's weird if well-intentioned scheduling. Their plan was to utilize the fall ''miniseason'' to set up an array of story lines and tell one complete arc: Ben's scheme to manipulate Jack into operating on his tumor-choked spine. But with too much plot to deploy, the scribes opted to craft narrowly focused episodes that left no room for other characters, much less the show's myriad of ongoing subplots. Lost's pilots concede that season 3 should have emulated 24's model of consecutive installments. Next year, it likely will, says ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson: ''The show is best when [episodes air] in big chunks, if not all together.''

There are other regrets, too, none bigger than the clumsy killing of Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje). The producers wish they could have sicced Smokey on the warlord-turned-holy man later in the season, but the death was moved up to accommodate the actor's wish to exit the show. Not that anyone sounds terribly bothered by the accelerated execution. ''I don't miss him at all,'' says Terry O'Quinn, whose Locke matched wits and sticks with Eko. ''They cast people so perfectly that you confuse the actors and the characters. You feel an affinity for the ones you're supposed to, and friction with the ones you're supposed to. That was a very friction-filled relationship.'' (Akinnuoye-Agbaje declined to comment.)

However you viewed those half-dozen hours, the producers hope that you'll look at the big picture, three-quarters of which has yet to be unveiled. And they believe that you won't be disappointed by the masterstrokes yet to come. ''If the viewers don't like season 3 as a whole,'' says Cuse, ''then I'll be upset.''

What to expect in coming weeks? Plenty. There's flashback action for Claire, Hurley, and Sayid, the secret of Jack's made-in-Thailand tats (somehow connected to guest star Bai Ling), and the long-awaited tale of how Locke wound up in a wheelchair. (''I was afraid it'd be anticlimactic,'' says O'Quinn. ''It's not. It's pretty stunning. You're gonna go, 'Man, no wonder this guy wants to stay here!''') Also, the castaways discover that the Others possess a submarine. Want mythology? You got it. The kidnapped kids and stewardess Cindy (Kimberley Joseph) make an appearance in episode 9 (Feb. 21). The Others' connection to that utopian weird-science project, the Dharma Initiative, is slated to be revealed in episode 11 (March 7), which also features a visit to a new hatch (dubbed the Flame). And throughout, expect to see the repercussions of Ben's spinal surgery. ''There is a period of not being at full power, and in any hierarchical organization, that is a period of danger,'' says Emerson. ''That leaves a vacuum at the top, and other people may try to swoop in and occupy it.''

Meanwhile, back on the beach (Remember that place? Kinda sandy?), the Oceanic 815-ers will finally be dealing with the aftereffects of Desmond turning the fail-safe key, which imploded the hatch and lit the sky purple. In episode 8 (Feb. 14), the lovelorn Scottish soldier — new and improved with precognitive abilities! — informs a central character that he or she will die; he is also the subject of a flashback device employed ''in a way we never have before and never will again,'' hints Lindelof. ''It'll either blow people's minds or chase them away for good.'' (That sound you just heard? ABC execs chuckling nervously.)

Viewers were certainly interested in chasing away Nikki (Kiele Sanchez) and Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro), those heretofore unseen comely castaways whose wedged-in entrance would've been more stilted only if they'd been wearing winter parkas. While even Lindelof acknowledges that they are ''universally despised'' by fans, that's going to change, he vows: ''We had a plan when we introduced them, and we didn't get to fully execute that plan. But when the plan is executed, Nikki and Paulo will be iconic characters on the show.''

Speaking of icons, the love triangle of Kate, Sawyer, and Jack morphs into something of a quadrangle as Juliet cozies up closer to Jack. ''I don't think she knew he'd be the right person to help her [escape] until she started talking with him, and then, yes, I firmly believe her intention was to get him on her side,'' says Mitchell. ''But I think she also likes him. That's unexpected for her.'' Their nebulous relationship may not sit well with Kate, who for now has made her bed with Sawyer. ''I don't think that book is closed at all,'' says Lilly. ''Kate has a real journey to go on with Jack, in that they've never addressed the underlying current of attraction and love between them.... It has to be addressed.''

And yet, the talents behind the show concede that none of this may prove satisfying to those who pine for what Lilly calls ''the golden year'' of season 1. Lost is an evolving entity that is growing toward a final payoff, they say, and it must be allowed to switch focus (see: the Tailies, the Others) or plant slow-cooking subplots (see: Penelope, the four-toed statue) that serve the larger saga. Moreover, this is a mystery — which means the Big Answers (What is the island? What is the monster?) come much later. Get used to this, folks: ''None of the big questions are going to be answered until the end of the series,'' says Cuse, adding that according to the master plan, the Lost story has just passed its midpoint. ''How could we tell you those answers without deflating the central mystery of the show?''

Therein lies the inherent conflict surrounding this drama as it segues away from the romance of its beginnings. Call it Paradox Lost: The very thing that titillates fans and has them furiously creating conspiracy-theory websites also frustrates the bejesus out of them. Perhaps execution is everything. When Lost captures the imagination (and it surely can, as evidenced by Feb. 7's top-shelf return outing, ''Not in Portland''), there's no better mythology-rich pop culture puzzle. When the show doesn't — or, at least, when it decides to get all poignant and stuff with those Jin/Sun or Bernard/Rose episodes — the whole thing starts to teeter-totter like an ill-conceived game of Jenga. Occasional misfires are acceptable to hardcore fans, but they no doubt feel suspicious to those for whom the flameouts of Twin Peaks and The X-Files still burn. Which leads us to a critical question: Are the producers just screwing with us until the grand finale, stretching out story lines like taffy because they're out of ideas?

To paraphrase Mr. Fox: No. Or at least, not yet. They very much fear the day that they'll have to start filling time until they can unleash the finale they've already been plotting. That's why Lindelof and Cuse have begun talking to ABC about settling on an end date for Lost, before the show runs the risk of degenerating into irrelevance and/or self-parody. (Lindelof has publicly stated that episode 100 would be the ideal stopping point.) ''We know all the big moves we have left,'' explains Cuse. ''The reason we're having these discussions now is that we don't want to stall. By defining an end point, it gives the audience the confidence to know that this is going someplace.'' In theory, ABC's McPherson agrees with the producers' logic: ''It's important not to let things just peter out and end because they've lost traction.'' That said, he remains cryptic about the finer details of Operation Kill Cash Cow: ''At this point, it's just notions that everyone is kicking around.''

Those conversations could prove tricky. ABC may have come up with the concept for Lost, but it was co-creator J.J. Abrams, Lindelof, and Cuse who managed to make something artistically and financially remarkable out of it. And with their deals set to expire after season 3, Lindelof and Cuse have more than a modicum of leverage. Negotiations with the producing pair are said to be friendly, although with other Lost writers recently renewing their contracts, a contingency plan may be in the works. Asked if he's prepared to continue Lost without the duo, McPherson says, ''We'll keep them as long as we possibly can. We're going to lock Damon and Carlton in the basement.'' (Okay, but isn't that what the hatches are for?)

Among the cast members, there is actually considerable support for the idea of losing their jobs sooner rather than later. Establishing a farewell date ''is really necessary for our enthusiasm as actors,'' says Lilly. ''The idea that the show could go on ad nauseam is very crippling as an actor, because then you start to degrade the idea of the material in your mind.'' She adds that if ABC agrees to wrap the show at a creatively optimal (if financially premature) time, it sends a message that ''Lost didn't just set out as a precedent-setting television show, it's going to finish as one.''

And that's essentially what Lindelof and Cuse want: a happy ending to their trippy, trying, triumphant fairy tale. For Cuse, it looks like this: ''We get to end the show on its own terms. Whether other people like what we've got planned is TBD, but we think our ending is cool, and that's always been our criterion.'' Adds Lindelof: ''Then we want a big parade, like when John Glenn comes back from space in The Right Stuff.'' You deliver on your promises, guys, and we'll take care of the confetti later.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on February 09, 2007, 06:48:31 PM
i got a very strong 2001 vibe from the most recent episode -- ben's voice sounds sort of like HAL when he's lying down, and then that immediately gets followed by jack watching the conversation through the glass, unable to hear.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 09, 2007, 09:41:11 PM
there was also a red light looming in the background in the operation room. 

the episode had a kubrick feel in general, as this scene (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lvp2PF8XilY) was like something out of a clockwork orange. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 15, 2007, 09:03:34 AM
I don't think it needs to be said, but spoilers below.

Well I thought last night's episode was definitely a worthy follow-up to last week. Desmond is the most interesting character on the main island at the moment. Charlie is the most annoying, but this new mystery about his impending death (and Desmond's foresight) is interesting enough to rival what's happening on the Others' island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 15, 2007, 10:03:34 AM
Now even mod has to admit that last night's episode was of top-shelf season 2 quality if not season 1.  Unless he decides to be skeptical about it and writes it off as a Quantum Leap rip-off.

REQUISITE SPOILERS

This episode reminded me, for you Six Feet Under fans, of the Season 3 premiere when Nate was in limbo during his brain surgery.  The woman in the jewelry shop must be Desmond's subconscious (either that or Dharma can manipulate everyone much better than anyone realizes) in the same way that the dead were to the living on Six Feet. 

I'm kind of torn between accepting his quantum leap as having really happened and looking at it as a Wizard of Oz (referenced by the man's red shoes)-type thing.  With Charlie singing on the street (and Wonderwall... "Maybe/You're gonna be the one that saves me...") and the woman, I think it's more an internal rationalization that everything happens for a reason.  But then again, there's still the fact that he has memories of his entire life including things that have yet to happen.  So who knows?

Two things I was let down about: 1) I don't know that I like the Final Destination subplot introduced for Charlie.  I'll have to see where it goes because it will get tiresome if Desmond is constantly pushing him out of the way of falling trees and out of the way of ditches and shit; and 2) I was that I was hoping this episode would tie in directly with Penny's search for an electromagnetic anomaly in the South Pacific.  Maybe that he would have told her about it or something.  But no.  Not a complaint, just disappointed that my hunch was incorrect.  But other than that, it's the best episode since the one with Hurley's imaginary friend, I think.

And there were Hanso, Apollo Candy and Oceanic Airlines ads on the sidelines at the soccer game. (http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=220)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 15, 2007, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: jacksparrow on February 15, 2007, 10:03:34 AM
Now even mod has to admit that last night's episode was of top-shelf season 2 quality if not season 1.  Unless he decides to be skeptical about it and writes it off as a Quantum Leap rip-off.
honestly, i was not feeling it.  and here's why.  LOST at its best is an extremely complicated juggling act.  there are a dozen main characters, and in order to keep all of them in the air, it takes a lot of skill.  last night, when we saw sayid and charlie and sun and claire (new bangs) i had almost forgotten they are on the same show it had been SO LONG since they had anything to do.  granted we just came back from a 4 month break but even earlier this season i don't remember them having too much to do either. 

even though or if jack and kate and sawyer are some of the main or most interesting or most popular characters, when you reduce LOST to focusing on only/mostly them for so long you lose the other characters and even they become less interesting.  so to come back from this break and have the first episode be again ONLY jack kate sawyer i think was a mistake.  and for the following to be ONLY desmond, an even bigger one.  they shouldnt ignore jack kate and sawyer just like they shouldnt have ignored the rest of the island the previous episodes.  its more interesting when you have both storylines to cut back and forth to.  obviously its not possible to feature every character in every episode but if they were able to focus on multiple storylines concurrently it would be better than this whiplash of going in opposite directions episode to episode. 

i see that last nights episode was somewhat breaking the mold of the show but didn't feel like it had very much to offer otherwise.  to switch subjects, 24 is great and everybody loves jack bauer.  but if 24 were ONLY jack bauer for episodes on end and there werent any other peripheral storylines and characters to cut to, it wouldnt be as interesting.  LOST is great because it (was) a true ensemble show whose structure enabled every character to be the MAIN character for at least one episode.  but even if they become the focus, when you lose track of too many other characters for too long, you are failing them and the show. 

i think the main problem is tv is ruining this for me.  if these could be watched without commercials and without a week between them i think the bigger picture would be seen easier than episode by episode.  if i had the willpower to wait till these were out on DVD (and attempt to block out all the spoilers floating around, probably impossible) i would.  i do not enjoy doing this.  i want TO LOVE THIS SHOW.  its ALL I WANT.  and i sit there and i watch and i'm feeling nothing. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 15, 2007, 12:02:12 PM
the scene where desmond throws down his tie reminded me a bit like the one in "out of sight".

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on February 15, 2007, 12:36:55 PM
a bit?  that was intentional, no doubt.  even when he pulls back his hair.  thought that homage was quite nice. 

fantastic show, friends... desmond is definitely in the top 3 characters I'd wanna see a whole entire episode devoted to.  Right behind jack & benny.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 15, 2007, 02:34:01 PM
It's sad that mod's heart is turning to stone, but that was one of the best episodes of the series so far.  In a lot of ways, Desmond is the true protagonist of the whole story; everyone else's goals mostly involve surviving the island and figuring out what's going on, but Desmond actually has this one overriding purpose that goes beyond all that.  Seeing that goal wrenched from him was heartbreaking.  And...

TINY LITTLE SPOILER

...could this mean the most pointless character on the island is going to die soon?  Is it Christmas again already?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 15, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: jacksparrow on February 15, 2007, 10:03:34 AMI was that I was hoping this episode would tie in directly with Penny's search for an electromagnetic anomaly in the South Pacific.  Maybe that he would have told her about it or something.  But no.  Not a complaint, just disappointed that my hunch was incorrect.

Ninth question down:

The Isle Files
Will Michael and Walt return? When will we get the Others' backstory? Just in time for the show's Feb. 7 return, ''Lost'' producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof tackle the best of the many tough questions you sent in

''LOST'' AT SEA Rest assured, we haven't heard the last of the Michael and Walt story, say our exec answer men.

You've got questions, we've got answers — straight from the mouths of Lost exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. We sifted through more than 2,000 queries from EW readers and presented the most pressing to the powers that be.

What happened to Michael and Walt?
CARLTON CUSE: We put a pin in the Michael and Walt story for the season, but by no means is it over. It would be very strange for the end of Michael and Walt to just send them off in that boat without any acknowledgment of what has happened. But if you look at the bigger picture of Lost, there's a circularity to the way that story is going to unfold in the overall mythology, and that is a long, planned approach. Yes, we'll get back to the Michael and Walt story, and it will be really compelling when we do. But that's most likely a year 4 story.
DAMON LINDELOF: Michael and Walt are the first characters on the show to ''get off the island.'' But the pervasive question remains: What is ''off the island''?

Are we going to get the history of the Others in one shot, or will this be revealed over time?
LINDELOF: It's definitely unfolding. We will begin to find out how certain members of the Others joined the Others. Episode 7 should play as a surprise to some audience members that Juliet was not born on the island — she came off the island and was recruited by the Others. So some of them were born there and some of them were recruited, but what they are there to do will be revealed before who put them there and why.
CUSE: The connection between the Others and Dharma gets revealed in episode 11.

When will we see Libby again? Will we ever learn how she got into the mental hospital with Hurley?
CUSE: Given everything else we have to tell, that's going to be a mystery that's going to have to get answered in year 4.
LINDELOF: There's really one significant missing piece to Libby's story. We saw in the season finale last year that she met with Desmond, she gave him his boat, and we know that her husband died — and then we know that subsequent to that, she spent some time in a mental institution, the same one as Hurley. The question the audience wants answered is, How did she get from A to B — from Desmond to the mental institution? We know the answer to that question, but the only way to tell that story is through another character's flashback, and that character would have to be another character on the show who is not among the beach dwellers.

What is the significance of the horse that Kate saw?
CUSE: People seem mystified by this. I would say this: We have seen a number of apparitions on the island, from Jack's dad to Kate's horse. You'll be getting more of an understanding of those apparitions during the course of this season.
LINDELOF: What is the nature of those apparitions? By definition, an apparition shouldn't be something you could go up and touch, or that other people should be able to see. And yet, Kate's horse is real. It is living in the physical world. Sawyer sees it; Kate goes up and touches it. Does the horse bear a striking resemblance to a horse that provided her an escape in her past as a fugitive, or is it the same exact horse? That is a fundamental question. But look at the show in total. Here's Christian Shepherd [Jack's dad]. Here's Yemi [Eko's brother]. Here's the horse. Here's Walt. [Remember, Walt appeared to Shannon, and later to Shannon and Sayid in a backwards-speaking vision.] Are all those things the same thing, or are some of them different things?
CUSE: We're also using these things to set up an animated sitcom spin-off called ''Kate's Horse and Sayid's Cat.''
LINDELOF: That's right. Sayid's cat is coming up in episode 11. We're not joking.
CUSE: Except for the animated part.

What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''

Last season, we saw in Ana Lucia's flashback that she witnessed an argument between Christian Shepherd and a woman in Australia, in which Christian demanded to see his daughter. The burning question/conspiracy theory that fans have is this: Is Claire Jack's half sister?
CUSE: We're not going to answer that question — but the show will. In the next six episodes.

Did Desmond's failure to press the button REALLY cause the plane to crash — or is there more to this story?
LINDELOF: In terms of the pragmatic reality, Oceanic 815 never would have crashed had Desmond pushed the button. But is there a larger, more faith-based, spiritualized reason that these people happened to be on that plane when he failed to press the button? If Desmond hadn't run into Jack at that stadium, would he have made the same choices that he made in his life? They all impact each other's lives. The fact that that guy is on that plane up there, and Desmond brings that plane down, it speaks to an interrelatedness among characters, why these people, why do they all connect. No amount of mythological answers will ever speak to this. That's the one thing that when the show ends, you won't have a causal explanation for why did all these people interconnect. Why some, why not others? The answer is just that they just do. The show is a massive Rube Goldberg device, in which all the components of the machinery are humans.

Even though The Hatch blew up, will we return to the mystery of the Dharma map that Desmond's previous Hatch occupants were painting on the retractable blast door?
CUSE: We will be visiting another Dharma station soon. But the map becomes less important, because when they visit this new station, they'll be getting some new information that helps them understand where the Dharma people lived and where their stations are.

Will Penelope ever become a significiant character, and when will we get a follow-up to the monumentally dramatic revelation at the end of season 2 that the EM burst was detected off the island?
CUSE: Penelope's story continues in episode 8 [Feb. 14] in Desmond's flashbacks. We put that scene at the end of the season finale for a reason, and like the anagram, they're components to a larger revelation. You'll learn more about why we put that scene at the end of season 2 by the end of season 3.

Does time pass differently on the island than off the island?
LINDELOF: That's a really perceptive question. We know that the Others taped the Red Sox win the World Series in 2004... so that would seem to indicate that time flows the same both on and off. But then again, when the sky turns purple and the ground shakes... wait. Hold on. Carlton is wringing my neck.
CUSE: Yes. Time passes very slowly because they don't have American Idol to watch.

In the ''death of Mr. Eko'' episode, it was my interpretation that the Monster was able to assume human form, i.e., Eko's brother. Am I crazy for thinking that? And will we learn anything more about the Monster's origins this season?
LINDELOF: You're not crazy. You will see the monster again this season. Its origins, however... well, you'll have to wait.
CUSE: Whether or not you learn more about it will depend on how obsessive you are. If you enjoy recording the program and studying individual frames, you might. But really, is that healthy?

Is there a mystery you will never solve?
LINDELOF: We will never give story time to revealing the construction of the infamous rope bridge.
CUSE: And honestly, we're never going to tell you why the French lady has a Yugoslavian accent.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 15, 2007, 09:38:36 PM
Hm, if Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was 13/14 when we last saw him, and the next time we see him will be when he's 15/16....that will be a pretty awkward bit of show continuity.

Also, what in the hell did they mean by this: "one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons"......I have that episode on my computer, but I'm not about to go looking for an anagram. Unless it's got something to do with Jacob. They didn't even vaguely mention the skeletons, they haven't brought them up since season 1, and it seems like a pretty random/obscure time to do it in that episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 15, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
These guys have so much fun with people like us going crazy about this... its excellent.

I wish someone would stop Desmond from saving Charlie next time  :)

BTW, I just read that last nights episode had the lowest ratings ever for a new Lost episode... which is NOT good at all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 16, 2007, 09:02:16 AM
Quote from: kal on February 15, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
BTW, I just read that last nights episode had the lowest ratings ever for a new Lost episode... which is NOT good at all.

But it's still the number one show on iTunes and iTunes can keep The Office in business, so who knows?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 16, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
It was very low but its still higher that most shows... however its bad because it shows how stupid people already think the show is not good anymore and stopped watching.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 16, 2007, 10:44:36 AM
New 'Lost' episode hits a ratings low

LOS ANGELES - "Lost" crashed in the ratings this week, hitting an all-time low for a new episode. ABC's drama about plane crash survivors stranded on a mysterious island drew an estimated 12.8 million viewers Wednesday, according to preliminary figures from Nielsen Media Research. That's well off the peak of more than 20 million for the drama that became an instant sensation when it debuted in September 2004.

ABC has worked hard to try to protect a show that helped turn the network's fortunes around, moving it to 10 p.m. EST Wednesday this year to steer clear of Fox's blockbuster "American Idol" and CBS's increasingly strong "Criminal Minds."

After "Lost" fans complained about reruns interrupting the show's serial flow last season, the network tried an experiment: It split the current season in two, airing six episodes before an extended break and then resuming with 16 additional episodes.

The show's Feb. 7 return was heavily promoted and drew nearly 14.5 million viewers. But the bounce didn't last, with the show slumping this week.

Although protected from top-rated "American Idol" in its new time 10 p.m. time slot, "Lost" now has the disadvantage of trying to draw viewers at an hour when fewer people are watching television. This Wednesday, Valentine's Day put a 7 percent dent in overall TV viewership.

In the show's defense, ABC noted that it beat the competition among the advertiser-favored young adult crowd, drawing 7.3 million viewers age 18 to 49 compared to the 5.8 million that tuned in to CBS' "CSI: New York."

"Lost" also handed ABC nearly 4 million more viewers in the time slot compared to last year, when short-lived drama "Invasion" aired, the network said.

But there's no question that "Lost," once riding big ratings, buzz and cachet, has lost significant ground.

Some fans and critics complain that the story has gotten confusing and unsatisfying. The show, named best drama at the 2005 Emmy Awards, was shut out at the 2006 ceremony.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 16, 2007, 11:38:07 AM
Pfft, whatever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 16, 2007, 02:25:21 PM
i wonder if they're ever going to factor in how many people watch it online. ever since abc.com put the episodes online the next day, thats usually how i watch the show.

it's a shame so many people think it's jumped the shark. as soon as a show requires viewers to exhibit the least amount of patience they lose interest. The only good thing i can see coming from this is that the dip in ratings will convince abc to end the show sooner as opposed to dragging it out 4 seasons too long like x-files.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 16, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: Gamblour consider le fountain on February 15, 2007, 09:38:36 PM
Hm, if Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was 13/14 when we last saw him, and the next time we see him will be when he's 15/16....that will be a pretty awkward bit of show continuity.

or pretty intentional?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on February 16, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070216/ap_en_ot/tv_lost_is_lost

Will 'Lost' ratings plunge doom series?
By LYNN ELBER, AP Television Writer

LOS ANGELES - The show was smart and intriguingly spiked with supernatural and sci-fi twists. It featured hot new stars who graced glossy magazine covers — until the ratings tumbled. So much for "The X-Files," which enjoyed a nine-year run before misguided plots and a time slot change eroded its appeal. Flash forward to today and you'll find its counterpart in "Lost," another spooky, cerebral, sexy show — which may end up killed off before its time.

"`Lost' is the tragedy of the season," said Marc Berman, TV analyst for Media Week Online as well as a fan aggrieved by what he considers ABC's bungled handling of a favorite show. "They really prematurely put the nail in the coffin. It's too late to save it."

The saga of plane-crash survivors stranded on a dangerous and surreal island once drew an impressive 20 million-plus viewers as it helped raise ABC from ratings purgatory, gained cultural-phenomenon status and won the 2005 Emmy for best drama. But eight episodes into its third season, "Lost" has taken a painful nosedive, with an audience of 14.5 million for its Feb. 7 episode and 12.8 million — its lowest ever — for this week's show.

"Lost" will return for one more season, Berman predicted, and then likely sink from sight. (ABC declined requests for comment.)

Like Fox's "The X-Files," "Lost" has been pelted with viewer complaints (especially on many formerly adoring Web sites) about confusing plots and dangling mysteries — who the ominous "Others" are; whether the survivors are part of an elaborate scientific experiment; what is real, imagined, important or trivial. It has endured scheduling changes that were intended to help but ended up hurting, including a prolonged midseason absence that Berman called "suicide" and a move to 10 p.m. EST Wednesday.

Also like "The X-Files," "Lost" proved that offbeat tales and characters can mean a limited shelf life.

"Whenever you get outside one of the big three franchises — cops, doctors or lawyers — and into the more high-concept shows, they tend to burn bright but burn out faster," said veteran network executive Tom Nunan, now a TV and film producer ("Crash," "The Illusionist").

"Our expectations are higher, they're expected to reach greater milestones in a more original fashion," said Nunan, a follower of the show who believes it still deserves hit status.

"The X-Files" managed to maintain ratings growth into season five and didn't crash until its final year, 2001-02. "Lost" is slumping badly in year three.

"Viewers have become very unhappy with the show because they've left people hanging for too long," Berman said. "They've opened up too many cans of worms and haven't resolved enough issues."

Taking the focus away for long stretches from lead characters including Hurley (Jorge Garcia), Locke (Terry O'Quinn) and Sayid (Naveen Andrews) is another fan grievance, voiced even by those who feel warmly toward "Lost."

"You won't see characters for a bit, then you see them again and you have to recollect what was going on," said Chris Becker, 43, of Newport Beach.

But Becker, who admits to a fondness for science fiction, said he intends to stick with "Lost" to the last: "You're this far into it, you want to see how it ends."

That final chapter should have been years off for a property which, along with "Desperate Housewives" and "Grey's Anatomy," helped ABC (owned by Walt Disney Co.) regain ratings traction and buzz. The network tried to protect "Lost," moving it out of the way this month of returning Fox juggernaut "American Idol" at 9 p.m. Wednesday.

Switching "Lost" to 10 p.m. also created a stronger lead-in for lucrative local evening newscasts, important for ABC and its affiliate stations.

"The networks own a lot of affiliates. Strategically, as a business plan it's a little more clever than some people are giving it credit for," said Nunan, who was president of the now-defunct UPN network and worked at ABC, Fox and NBC.

But he dings ABC for failing to provide a strong lead-in for "Lost," which now follows either its own reruns or sitcoms. Another challenge: There's a smaller pool of viewers available during the 10 p.m. time slot than earlier in prime-time.

The series' producers said earlier this year they don't want to outstay their welcome, as they believe "The X-Files" did, and that they were talking with ABC about setting an end date for "Lost."

Certainly, however, no one had anything immediate in mind.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 16, 2007, 05:56:14 PM
As much as I hate to admit it and somehow disagree... they are not so off with those predictions and reasons.

The break was too long, the fact that there are so many unanswered questions from season 1 and 2 bothers a lot of people, and the inclusion of new characters (some of them with no purpose) also left important characters behind. Some of us love the show and dont want to admit it, and we defend it and wait for answers with more patience, but the truth is that the show has changed a lot from what it was and they made some decisions (artistic and commercial) that made a lot of people lose interest.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 17, 2007, 06:23:30 AM
http://www.decalgirl.com/browse.cfm/4,4309.htm
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 17, 2007, 08:36:34 AM
yes this is terrible news.  as much as i gripe, i still have the faith that the next episode will always be the one to turn it all around.  getting cancelled early would be terrible.  lowest ratings ever DURING SWEEPS!  not good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 17, 2007, 11:42:52 AM
Well, to an extent it does seem like the creators are losing grip on their own material. But I keep watching because individual episodes are still so damn good, and I have confidence that by the end of the season they will know what they're doing. Whether the general public will stick it out with them is uncertain, but I also feel pretty certain ABC will let them do their thing for two more seasons. They owe the show that much.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 18, 2007, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on February 16, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: Gamblour consider le fountain on February 15, 2007, 09:38:36 PM
Hm, if Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was 13/14 when we last saw him, and the next time we see him will be when he's 15/16....that will be a pretty awkward bit of show continuity.

or pretty intentional?

I mean, considering not even a year of being on the island has passed, time moves slowly, and if we were to return to Walt from the time they left in year 4, as Lindelof described, that wouldn't work so hot.

or would it?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 18, 2007, 07:32:36 PM
i think something like 75 days has passed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 21, 2007, 10:43:32 PM
i hope isabelle is not a dude.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 22, 2007, 08:48:21 AM
OK, last night's episode was the first major disappointment for me... maybe ever.  I've defended the less than stellar episodes and, in retrospect, have even grown to appreciate certain episodes I wasn't so hot on the first time around.  But Jack's flashback this week was far and away the most uninteresting one in the run of the show. 

Maybe it's partially because of the fact that I enjoyed last week's as much as I did and this paled in comparison.  And definitely it's partially because the marketing people were pressured by ABC execs to act desperate overhype this week's episode that "reveals 3 mysteries" while, with the exception of the translation of part of Jack's tattoo, it reveals nothing more than we saw in the ads.  Yeah, that's gonna bring back the people who tuned out because they felt like the show was fucking them around.

I'm starting to get where mod is.  I've been content with them having little mini seasons that work an entire subplot over a couple of episodes without focusing on any of the other characters.  But this episode was one too many.  I know this is "the season of the Others" and I'm fine with that; it's just feeling like they're stretching it too thin.  Give us something else already. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 22, 2007, 11:09:15 AM
minor spoilers:


the lack of communication between the characters is starting to grate on me.

"you had a back yard?" "yea"..... (where?)
"you can't go back, they will kill you".... (why? why the hell are you here kid?)

"we're here to watch"...(watch what? no don't talk to the little girl, answer me!)

sorry. i'm always first to defend the new season among my friends, but last night was really just treading water, seemingly existing only to get jack and ben to the main island. i still love the show, but i really hope the storyline gets a little more focused.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 22, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
Last night's episode was probably the worst I've seen from this show. They're really pushing the Jack-Juliet thing a little too forcefully and a little too fast. The ending was cheesy. The flashback was lame, and I typically like Jack's flashbacks the most. After the last two episodes this was a major drop-off. But whatever, here's hoping they come back next week and beyond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 22, 2007, 01:44:32 PM
Just a thought: this wasn't the episode they had to reshoot because some dumbfuck x-rayed the film at the Honolulu airport, was it?  Because unforeseen time constraints could potentially contribute to the awkwardness of the ending and the episode in general.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 22, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
Even if they had to reshoot it, the problem here was the script I think.

The flashback sucked. The rest kept going slowly in the same direction.

I also agree that I was waiting Jack to ask Cindy and the people staring at him what the fuck was happening instead of yelling like an angry gorilla.

I think Mod said it, if we were watching the DVD and one episode after the other, maybe you wouldnt notice what is happening so badly. However, not seeing Locke for over 4 months is fucking stupid. I think that is what ABC/Producers dont realize. It may have been only 3 days in the island, but for the audience its 4 months of not knowing what the fuck happened with Locke, Sayid, etc. We know a lot about the Others and the other island, and we know about Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, whatever...

I think this show is a lot about the characters and for the 3 million people who loved Locke or Ecko this show sucks now and thats why they are not watching it anymore.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 22, 2007, 09:57:23 PM
I'm agreeing only slightly with the sentiment about the episode. It was slow. Next to nothing was revealed. However, Jack's Thai girlfriend was very beautiful, but is it really against some custom of theirs to not tattoo people for whatever reason? Seemed a bit unexplained. "We're here to watch." What? You just got to see Jack, the guy from the same flight as you, the same reason you're trapped on the island. Why aren't you spewing answers at each other?!?! That was frustrating.

Overall, my devotion stands. It's still amazing for many reasons, and even this episode had its moments, eg Sawyer lighting Kate's torch, I found it compelling.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 23, 2007, 09:57:40 AM
Quote from: kal on February 22, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
Even if they had to reshoot it, the problem here was the script I think.
Yes, but if that was the case then it would be possible that they couldn't reshoot the original script as originally written because of the time/money constraints.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 27, 2007, 01:24:39 AM
Lost Revisits Hurley's Past

The upcoming Feb. 28 episode of ABC's Lost will revisit the backstory of Hurley, played by Jorge Garcia, co-executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis told SCI FI Wire. "What's exciting about the next one is it's really in the tradition of some Hurley episodes, like 'Everybody Hates Hugo,'" said Kitsis, who co-wrote the episode with Horowitz. "It's kind of a lighter episode. It's emotional, but what also, I think, people will really be excited about is we're back on the beach. You'll definitely get another piece of Hurley backstory."

"And I would say, make sure you watch 'til the very last second," Horowitz added.

As Lost fans know, Hugo "Hurley" Reyes is a reluctant lottery-winning millionaire who spent time in a mental institution and believes his special lottery winning numbers are cursed.

"Adam and I are lucky enough that this is our third Hurley story," Kitsis said. He and Horowitz also wrote 'Dave' and 'Everybody Hates Hugo.' They say that they've become the Hurley specialists on the show.

"We fell in love with him, and we tell everyone to back off," Horowitz said with a laugh. "We love writing for Hurley. ... It's a challenge coming up with any story, but the truth is, actually, the story this week was something that was conceived a really long time ago. So it was one of those stories we've been waiting to tell."

The writers added that there is more story coming for Locke, the troubled character played by Terry O'Quinn, who was in a wheelchair when he crashed onto the series' mysterious island. Why? "I don't want to give away anything, and I can't give away anything," Horowitz said with a laugh. "I value my job. But I will say that that episode, it's been a long time coming. It will create some new story paths for the audience to be interested in Locke. And we fully hope the question in everyone's head is answered, and they're all very happy with the answer and excited by it. But we're excited, because it has opened up some new things with that character that we hope you guys will like."

Kitsis and Horowitz confirmed that the rest of the season will also explore the backstories of Claire (Emilie de Ravin), Sayid (Naveen Andrews) and two characters new to this season, Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro) and Nikki (Kiele Sanchez). Lost airs at 10 p.m. ET/PT on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 28, 2007, 01:05:23 AM
'Lost' navigates its way back to the beach crew
By William Keck, USA TODAY

PASADENA, Calif. — Hugs abound on tonight's Lost as Kate and Sawyer return to the beach after a 9-month absence — finally restoring the increasingly gloomy ABC drama to an upbeat ensemble.
For the past year, many of Lost's supporting players have been left stranded by the shore, sifting the sand from their shorts as the series turned a darker focus on new villains and a handful of heroic holdovers.

Fan favorites from the first season such as Charlie, Claire, Sayid, Hurley and Locke have been seen only sporadically. And perhaps not coincidentally, the former top-10 show's ratings have taken a dive. (The last two episodes in the new 10 ET/PT slot have drawn fewer than 13 million viewers each, down from a peak of 23.5 million.)

But Lost loyalists are buzzing in anticipation of tonight's beachside reunion, kicking of a string of flashbacks focusing on Hurley tonight, followed by Sayid, Claire and Locke. Charlie will also have considerably more to do on screen until his flashback airs at a later date in an uninterrupted, repeat-free run continuing all the way through to the two-hour season finale (May 23).

And, says Dominic Monaghan, who plays Charlie, "As the rollercoaster hits the end of the season, they're going to start relying on us quite a bit more."

Over lunch at the Ritz Carlton Hotel last month, Monaghan, Emilie de Ravin (Claire), Naveen Andrews (Sayid) and Jorge Garcia (Hurley) expulsed frustrations and toasted their resuscitated roles.

The most outspoken of the group, Andrews parades about with the bravado of a lion, getting an immediate laugh by noting, "Even though I like getting paid for doing nothing, it is nice occasionally to work."

Monaghan agrees. Having "done a lot of surfing this year," he has come to understand that "With 14 members in a cast who all want to work, as one person works more, thus work is being taken away from another actor. You have to make your peace with that."

But all are careful not to appear ungrateful. After all, on Lost, unhappy or troublesome actors have seemingly found their characters shot in the chest or hurled through the air to untimely deaths.

"Legitimately, the actors are frustrated," acknowledges executive producer Carlton Cuse in a later phone interview. "They're all really good at what they do, and it's difficult when they don't get a chance to do it."

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Flash back with Hurley, Sayid, Claire and Charlie

Hurley - February 28

"This focuses on the relationship with my dad," Garcia says. Cheech Marin pops up in the papa role, and viewers will get their first glance at a fit, young Hurley.

On the island, Hurley will demonstrate his continuing heartache for his murdered love interest, Libby: "You finally get to see a moment," Garcia says.

Expect Charlie and Jin to play significant roles. "Hurley sees it as his responsibility to try to make Charlie move into a different head space," Monaghan says. "So he takes Charlie on a little mission to shake him up."

Claire - March 14

"It goes back to when Claire is 17," de Ravin says. "There's a big jump from where her life is now to where it was then. I play a completely different character because her life is so dramatically different — a lot of very deep emotional issues there that she's still dealing with on the island."

De Ravin sports a black wig for this flashback to Claire's dark teenage phase. "You meet her parents and see what she's been dealing with," de Ravin says.

A flashback last season led viewers to believe that Claire's father and Jack's father might be one and the same. True? "You'll see," she says with a grin.

Sayid - March 7

"We learn about Sayid's time in Paris and find out what happens to a torturer when he's forced to answer for past sins," says executive producer Damon Lindelof. In present time, executive producer Carlton Cuse adds, "Sayid leads an expedition to the mysterious Dharma station known as 'The Flame.' " A cat from Sayid's past makes an island cameo.

All Andrews will offer up is: "There's loads of heavy emotions ... and I'm cooking in it."

Charlie - Date not announced

Producers have chosen to keep secret when Charlie's next flashback will air, which probably has something to do with Desmond's premonition in the Feb. 14 episode that Charlie is destined to die. (Characters' deaths traditionally have occurred at the conclusion of their flashback shows.)

"I have to be careful to not tell you too much," says Monaghan, hinting only that "the Charlie stories are going to be coming toward a bottleneck. The Hurley, Sayid, Claire and Locke stories are all pushing together into a Charlie journey."

And if Charlie does in fact die? "That's fine," he says with a shrug. "This job is going to end for everyone. I've achieved everything that I wanted to do. It's been a fantastic opportunity for me, and it's done exactly what I wanted it to do: distance me from playing a hobbit (in TheLord of the Rings) and have people in America know I can act."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 28, 2007, 01:26:24 AM
Michael Ausiello said that there is a new character to be introduced in April. It's a girl, and apparently she is not a 815 survivor or an Other.

The casting? Marsha Thomason from Las Vegas (HOT!)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SHAFTR on March 01, 2007, 02:30:23 PM
I finally caught up with Lost a few weeks ago and I thought this week's Hurley episode was awful, perhaps the worst Lost episode yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 01, 2007, 02:48:07 PM
Did you see SEE last week's?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 01, 2007, 03:26:28 PM
really dissapointed... :(
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on March 01, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
heroes is the younger brother who eventually outgrew his older brother, lost and is now able to kick his ass. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 01, 2007, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: pozer on March 01, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
heroes is the younger brother who eventually outgrew his older brother, lost and is now able to kick his ass. 
i still have no respect for Heroes because it feels so much like an also ran.  i will try to resist as long as i can, stewing in the hate i have for all the promos.  if Heroes can get to the third season without starting to stumble as Lost has, then i will respect it.  but until THAT DAY...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 01, 2007, 07:29:01 PM
mod, forget heroes for now... although i know eventually u'll be hooked on it

arent u worried about what is happening with lost?

i mean this was the first episode was in the beach, and everyone was back... except for jack. what the fuck was it? nobody really asked questions in detail of what happened, how are they like, etc...

i love hurley and i would have loved that flashback a year ago... but i saw no point in todays episode... his personal fear and problems are too small for what is happening with the entire show i think...

and the car? the beer? that car was there maybe for 10 years or more... i have trouble starting my car when i leave for a month. when i had the accident with another car and it was parked for 3 months we couldnt start by rolling it down in the garage...

the beer has expiration date... they should show sawyer with fucking diarrea.

i was not mad enough the past episodes, but this one really made me angry. im all week looking forward to what happens next and it feels like they are fucking wasting everybodys time. episodes are short enough and there is too much going on for them to waste time without moving forward.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 01, 2007, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: kal on March 01, 2007, 07:29:01 PM
them to waste time without moving forward.


The ironic thing is that when you watch the episode on their website, that's the slogan Toyota has on top of the video.

I guess I'm just not greedy. I really have faith in the writers that they're taking this show somewhere great. I'm pretty patient, and I do enjoy these episodes where it's just about character. This was much better than past Hurley episodes, like the one with his imaginary friend, that one is pretty bad. This episode was a lot of fun. They don't have to discover a new hatch every week for me to like the show. Time passes slowly on an island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 02, 2007, 01:14:21 AM
I thought ast night's episode was a welcome breather (I bet it'll be more appreciated on DVD) from the gravity of the situation. Every episode does not need to reveal something, nor does it need to advance the main plot; last night was the first episode this season where we just saw some decent interaction between the supporting characters. These kinds of episodes work for what they are, nothing to get angry over.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 02, 2007, 02:47:30 AM
I'm just frustrated because we used to have more interesting interactions between the characters... I mean Locke... he hasnt said more than 4 lines this season... I'm looking forward to get more from him because he is one of my (and a lot of fans) favorite character. Or at least usted to be...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 06, 2007, 08:19:07 PM
Season 3 so far is really, really bad. 10 million people seem to agree...

I think they are really getting over their head by starting thousands and thousands of little mysteries that make no sense. They make situations enigmatic while a single easy question by a character would clarify everything, which is VERY frustrating since it creates a total suspension of disbelief.

Killing off Ecko was totally silly he had became a top 3 character.

I'm so disapointed by this show.

Desmond is the new Locke btw it seems
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on March 07, 2007, 11:10:52 PM
Did anyone else think tonight's flashback story was totaly dope?  :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 08, 2007, 01:05:24 AM
Quote from: shnorff on March 07, 2007, 11:10:52 PM
Did anyone else think tonight's flashback story was totaly dope?  :bravo:

The woman's cat story gave me chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 08, 2007, 02:10:14 PM
Lindelof and Cuse on The Treatment (http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt070307damon_lindelof_and_c).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 15, 2007, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: kal on February 12, 2007, 12:44:15 AM
nobody here watching this anymore?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 15, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
with no doubt the best episode so far this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on March 15, 2007, 01:39:57 PM
Agreed. One of the all-time best endings, too.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 15, 2007, 03:44:49 PM
So Jack and Claire are brother and sister? I'm glad I've kept watching. I almost stopped after those first few episodes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 15, 2007, 08:26:58 PM
I can't believe it...a Claire and Charlie storyline that wasn't completely awful! In fact, it's probably my favorite. One of the better flashbacks, and I agree, one of the best episode endings. Jack's goofy spike was absolutely perfect. Can't wait for the rest of the season. Overall, I'm glad the way they've structured this season. It's good to know I don't have to wait until April like other shows (The Office, Heroes) to get more, better quality shows.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 16, 2007, 12:13:41 AM
best. ending. ever.

jack's face, kate's face... priceless.

the rest was pretty good too... i really look forward to next episode about locke (where apparently we finally find out what happened to him and the wheelchair)

im getting excited about this again... yay
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 16, 2007, 06:48:55 AM
Quote from: kal on March 16, 2007, 12:13:41 AM
best. ending. ever.

jack's face, kate's face... priceless.
i pretty much wanted to post this with "intriguing" and "most" somewhere in it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 16, 2007, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: picolas on March 16, 2007, 06:48:55 AM
Quote from: kal on March 16, 2007, 12:13:41 AM
best. ending. ever.

jack's face, kate's face... priceless.
i pretty much wanted to post this with "intriguing" and "most" somewhere in it.
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 16, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
you are missing the last shot when he had the touchdown and his face... it was the best jack face
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 16, 2007, 11:35:40 AM
Quote from: kal on March 16, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
you are missing the last shot when he had the touchdown and his face... it was the best jack face


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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 16, 2007, 01:20:32 PM
you are missing when it cuts to black and says LOST... it was the best cut
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 16, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: JG on March 16, 2007, 01:20:32 PM
you are missing when it cuts to black and says LOST... it was the best cut
my version doesn't have that cut. it continues with mr friendly dropping his pants and jack running like a girl towards him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on March 21, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
pappa Anthony Cooper looked absolutely terrified tonight
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 21, 2007, 10:26:43 PM
LOST is officially back on its feet again.  the past three weeks have all been great.  i didn't want to speak too soon before and jinx it, but i knew it could redeem itself and it definitely has.  hurleys ep was good and lightweight but at least a good re-introduction to many of the characters we had left behind.  sayids episode was great, so was claires, and locke's was amazing.  thank you god(s).  LOST is back.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 21, 2007, 10:41:38 PM
SPOILERS!!!



great episode really... how fucked up was jack walking towards the submarine ready to leave and the shit blowing up... the locke story is still one of the best in every flashback... ben was excellent too... and the ending was superb like last week... i agree LOST is back!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2007, 01:07:25 AM
Quote from: modage on March 21, 2007, 10:26:43 PMsayids episode was great, so was claires, and locke's was amazing.

All three of their flashback endings have left me misty-eyed. Just seeing Locke seem so small in the wheelchair...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 22, 2007, 01:10:19 AM
It's nice to see Locke, after he's been singing castrato for about a season and a half, back with a pair of balls again.  We might finally be getting closer to the Jack vs. Locke epic struggle for island domination that we've been waiting so long for.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 22, 2007, 09:49:57 AM
We have our third Magnolia cast member on the show!  Marcy was Locke's benefits clerk at the beginning.

SPOILERS



"You fell eight stories and survived so don't tell me what you can't do."

:yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup:

Quote from: modage on March 21, 2007, 10:26:43 PM
LOST is back.

Reading this made me more emotional than the episode did but you should have waited until after next week if you were afraid of jinxing it.  Lindelof and Cuse said it's a Nikki/Xerxes Paolo flashback.  I'm a bit skeptical but it looks good so far.


So if Locke's dad is on the island and it's not the black smoke taking his form, then A) it's a set-up because; B) Locke's dad, Charles Widmore, and Christian Shepard are all in cahoots with Hanso and the Dharma Initiative; and C) Locke's dad is definitely the real Sawyer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 22, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: jacksparrow on March 22, 2007, 09:49:57 AM
Reading this made me more emotional than the episode did but you should have waited until after next week if you were afraid of jinxing it.  Lindelof and Cuse said it's a Nikki/Xerxes Paolo flashback.  I'm a bit skeptical but it looks good so far.


Very Spoilery



so next week is the nikki/paulo episode.  i have a feeling they have a slick explanation for their sudden "appearance". have you noticed rose and bernard have been MIA for a while? i think when desmond went back in time he inadvertantly changed who got on the plane, with nikki and paulo taking their place. check this out:

again, spoilery images (if i'm right, that is)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-1241.html

and

http://www.thetailsection.com/expose/lost-expose-10.jpg


so yea, i need to get a life....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2007, 01:04:57 PM
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Will Locke be the key to 'Lost'?
Series mythology has cast him as the show's most enigmatic character. Actor Terry O'Quinn just hopes they let Locke keep his mojo.
Source: Los Angeles Times


Spoiler alert: TiVo viewers be warned. This article contains plot points from recent episodes.



In the last two episodes of "Lost," John Locke told a few lies, killed an "Other," blew up a hatch full of communication devices and then set off more explosives in the Others' submarine to prevent anyone from leaving or arriving on the island. It's a far cry from the weeks he spent in a hole in the ground last season, punching computer buttons, only to emerge feeling like he wasted his time.

"Lost" mythology has cast Locke, played by the Emmy-nominated Terry O'Quinn, as the show's most enigmatic character. When Locke has his mojo, it seems, so does "Lost." In fact, the arc of Locke, and even O'Quinn's own story, closely parallel the highs and lows of the ABC serialized ensemble drama that changed television three years ago. Now, 80 days into the journey of the plane crash survivors, what most viewers intuited from the beginning seems to hold true: Locke is one important dude.

But is he the most significant castaway? The creators of "Lost" would never say anything that definitively, but they were willing to offer a glimpse of the way they've embedded some of the series' most telling elements in his story from the beginning. Co-creator Damon Lindelof confirms that in the end, Locke will be among the ones who matter most. Executive producer Carlton Cuse added this, with all the finality he could muster: "The character of John Locke is just the very heart of the show."

When Locke boarded Oceanic Flight 815, he was in a wheelchair. But when the plane crashed, he could mysteriously walk, and that seemed to bond him to the island forever. Wednesday's episode finally revealed to viewers how he became paralyzed: His con artist of a father, who years ago manipulated Locke into giving him a kidney, pushed him out a high-rise window, hoping to kill him. Then it did what "Lost" does. It delivered another whopper: Locke's father is tied up and gagged on "Other" territory.

"That was a big 'What?!' " O'Quinn said, describing how he felt when he first read the script. "It leaves you with a big question mark, but there was plenty revealed in this episode too."

Mysteries, loads of them, are the hallmark of this ABC series, sometimes frustratingly so. Since "Lost" returned in February from its three-month hiatus in a new 10 p.m. slot, it has shed nearly 2 million viewers, though it continues to rank as a top 10 show among the advertiser-coveted 18- to 49-year-olds.

As a fan of his own show, O'Quinn says he understands the audience's frustrations with schedule changes and the questions that outnumber the answers in the series, a dilemma brought on mostly by the flashback device that focuses on one character per week and the large number of characters.

"If I take Locke's story individually and just follow it from its beginning point to now, to me it's cohesive and it's understandable and it's interesting," O'Quinn said. "But because there are so many people, it's very patchy. It comes in fits and starts, and that's tough for the fans of the show to have to work to tie everything together."

Strong man

In the first season, Locke was a self-assured survivor who motivated Jack (Matthew Fox) to leadership, helped Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) work through his heroin addiction, built a crib for Claire's (Emilie de Ravin) baby and insisted that they blow open the hatchway. The unflinching Locke also sacrificed fellow castaway Boone's life, deliberately broke a transceiver, won his round against the menacing polar bear and dared to look inside "the eye of the island."

"I would get mail and e-mails from people that said the character had given them hope," O'Quinn said. "It was touching, and I thought the character was serene and strong. But then he became weak and addled, and I was upset that a strong card had become a weak card."

After the castaways went down the hatch in the second season, Locke was more than happy to save the world by pushing a button every 108 minutes. But when he learned that the hatch is supposedly a psychological experiment, he assumed the task he had been performing was meaningless, and that's when his faith began to unravel. Slowly, Locke regressed into the man he had been before the crash: a depressed office worker with no direction. And O'Quinn's discontent mounted.

"It's interesting because the actor took a parallel journey to the character," Cuse said. "Terry's frustration was really a good thing. And his growing disillusionment with his role was also a really good thing, because that's exactly what we wanted the character to do."

As the creators dreamed up Locke, Lindelof couldn't help but think of the Charles Atlas comic book ads he used to see when he was a child: the scrawny kid on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face by a bully, then starts weightlifting and whacks the bully in the face when he returns.

"I think that's basically who John Locke is," Lindelof said. "We keep showing you stories about him making bad decisions and being abused and conned and suckered, all because he wants to be loved. Now, he's on the island, he's not preoccupied with needing to be loved anymore. He just wants to know his place in the world, which I think is something Terry is also experiencing as a human being."

O'Quinn acknowledges that his fans' concerns that Locke was being emasculated troubled him because he felt he had never before had the chance to play a "person of strength and clarity, but with a lot of dimension."

"Maybe that's because I wasn't good enough to do it before," O'Quinn said. "Or maybe nothing suited me quite as well before, but it was a character that evolved, that had a lot of doubt and angles and strength and clarity. I guess what was unique to me was that I was playing a character to whom people responded really strongly and positively."

Fans have surmised that Locke was named after 17th century philosopher John Locke, who theorized that the mind is a tabula rasa (the title of the third episode of the series) — that is, individuals are born with a clean slate, without innate mental content, and build knowledge from their experiences.

Dead right, Lindelof said. The fictional Locke had lived a life marked by pain and disappointment until he regained his ability to walk on the island, which he interprets as a sign that destiny brought him there to give him a second chance. In this way, Cuse said, the character is a springboard to explore the issue of faith versus empiricism.

"The very original idea for Locke was that we needed a character who was going to have some sort of mystical quotient going on with him," Lindelof said. "He was going to be very mysterious and quiet. This plane crash is the best thing that's ever happened to this guy."

Whether Locke holds the key to the deepest mysteries of the island, O'Quinn has no idea.

"I don't know how central he is," he said, "but ... it usually means something when he's around. I think it's because of the deeper quality in him. Of this group of characters, he's the one that's actively looking for an explanation, not just a way home."

O'Quinn, who had worked with co-creator J.J. Abrams on "Alias," fit the role, Cuse said, because like Locke, he "marches to the tune of his own drummer." The actor often walks two hours barefoot on the beach from his home on the North Shore of Oahu, Hawaii, to the set.

"While all of the other actors are gathered on Kailua or Lanikai, the populated side of the island, Terry has set up camp away from civilization," Cuse said. "In many ways, he has the qualities of a kind of powerful and intuitive loner who are in close parallel to Locke as a character. He's a very self-reliant guy who really forged a life outside his work as an actor, and I think that gives him a quiet strength."

To the endgame

Through Locke, the creators set up the show's premise in the only scene in the pilot in which he speaks. In it, Locke and Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) are about to play backgammon and Locke explains the game: "Two players, two sides. One is light, one is dark." The scene ends with Locke asking, "Walt, do you want to know a secret?"

"That hook coming out of the pilot wasn't just that secret that he told Walt — that he used to be in a wheelchair and now he's mysteriously healed," Lindelof said. "That's everything the show is. Do you want to know a secret? And cutting away before you actually answer that question."

To this day, Locke and the other survivors — not to mention the viewers — do not fully understand how momentous it was when the sky turned purple and the ground shook when Locke finally refused to push the button, forcing Desmond to activate a fail-safe device.

"At one point, Locke believed he had found the answer — the meaning — and was yet again disappointed," O'Quinn said. "Although I don't think he was disappointed to be disappointed. I remember when I was very young, my appendix ruptured and I was unconscious for several days because I had gangrene and everything. And when I woke up, I was surrounded by nuns. And I thought, 'Oh, I'm in heaven and it's really gonna suck.' I think that's what Locke felt after pushing the button for about a month. 'Oh, this is my destiny. OK, it sucks.' "

Although O'Quinn is not fond of the weaker and unstable version of Locke inhabiting the island, he understands the journey the writers have outlined.

"I think what they're suggesting is that Locke hasn't dealt with his past," O'Quinn said. "That maybe it's impossible for the past to be simply wiped away. And maybe that's what they're saying about the island or the people or the story — that everyone has something to deal with."

Now that Locke has blown up the submarine, it seems all of the castaways will have plenty of time for introspection. And fans will have lots of time to ponder. It will be five weeks before viewers see Locke and his father again, but when they do, the results will be an intense set-up for the season's climax, Lindelof said.

"I think when Locke blew up the submarine he was saying, 'I'm not going to think too hard about this anymore,' " O'Quinn said. "I like it here. I don't want anybody to come here and mess it up, and I don't want anyone to leave. It's not a socially responsible choice. But, hey, if that's who he is, that's who he is. Maybe we'll find out it's all for a good reason. But I'm not particularly concerned with whether John Locke is a good guy or a bad guy. Just that he's an interesting guy and he comes from a source of strength."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 22, 2007, 05:33:41 PM
WOW. One of the top episodes of the entire season.

And a great article, thanks Mac.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 28, 2007, 12:30:32 AM
Andrews: Lost Mulls January Start

Naveen Andrews, who plays Sayid on ABC's hit series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that he believes the network may be mulling a later start for the upcoming fourth season, which would begin in January and run straight without a break, a la Fox's 24. "I believe that's the plan," Andrews said in an interview while promoting Grindhouse, in which he has a role.

This year, Lost premiered in the fall, ran for six weeks, then took a 13-week hiatus before returning in March with original episodes. The audience for the once-white-hot series cooled considerably, though it remains a top-10 show. The show also moved to a later timeslot, Wednesdays at 10 p.m., which may have been a factor in the audience drop.

"I think they should make it sort of like what it was before," Andrews opined. "I liked it when it started a little bit earlier, because a lot of the audience are kids, aren't they? I thought, hmm."

ABC recently announced that it was renewing Lost, but made no mention of start dates or timeslotes.

As for future episodes involving Andrews' character, a former intelligence officer for the Iraqi Republican Guard? "It would be nice if he were seen a bit more," Andrews said. "That's a start."

Andrews added about the show's direction: "I loved the first season. Now I'm really proud of it, and I put it up there with the work that I'm most proud of, and we'll always have it. They can't ever take it away. It'll always be there. And, you know, I'm not a writer. It's their choice to do what they want to with that show, and they will."

Lost remains in production, with four or five episodes yet to film, including the season finale, Andrews said. Grindhouse opens April 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 28, 2007, 10:10:23 PM
LOST is officially dead again. 

what a waste of an episode. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 28, 2007, 10:26:44 PM
FUCK THAT!

They turned Lost into a self-contained episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents.  I don't really care that Nikki and Paolo were written into the show simply to be written out in this way.  Bottom line is they're gone.  Lost has always been suspenseful but that ending was straight up morbid, which I don't think they've ever done before.  They won't get away with that sort of thing again but for what it was, it was good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 29, 2007, 04:13:36 AM
Yeah, screw the haters.  This was the best episode of Tales from the Crypt ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 29, 2007, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 29, 2007, 04:13:36 AM
Yeah, screw the haters.  This was the best episode of Tales from the Crypt Expose' ever.

I thought it was brilliant. A really interesting revisit of many things from the past seasons, including Charlie kidnapping Sun. That was a really nice touch, I thought. Also, Nikki and Paulo's lives are very indicative of live together, die alone, which they alluded too. I think for a nonepisode, this and the Hurley-centric one were both as good as they could've been. And I thought they were great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 29, 2007, 12:04:02 PM
Even though it was the most pointless, uninformative filler episode in the history of television, it was still entertaining. I felt like I was watching some kind of freak meta-Lost fan-made spin-off or something. It was fun to revisit the pilot, see Shannon and Boone, and Mr. Artz, who I wish was a regular and hadn't been blown up. Though I hope this whole episode wasn't made just so they can say "Ooo look, we can listen to everything the Others do with this convenient walkie-talkie now".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on March 29, 2007, 03:46:39 PM
Count me in for those who enjoyed last night's. LOST is so aware of itself as a show now that they can pull stuff like this off and still make it enjoyable.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 29, 2007, 03:58:31 PM
the last shot with nikki looking up gave me the chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 02:16:36 AM
QuoteEven though it was the most pointless, uninformative filler episode in the history of television, it was still entertaining.

a lot of people have said this episode was nothing more than a filler episode. "self-serving" was a quote from the lostpedia forum. i'm not so sure it is, given what i take to be hints throughout the episode: 1) when nikki died on the set of expose, her "con-target" said that they could always bring her back to life somehow. i thought this was the writers being self-referential. 2) john locke stating that nothing on the island stays buried for very long.

i don't think the writers went to the trouble of slowly introducing, and then post-fitting paulo and nikki into scenes just to kill them off in this episode leaving the rest of the survivors with a walkie talkie. i think this is the beginning of a new plot twist and thus not pointless and not a filler.

the whole story of paulo finding the "tv screens hatch" (i forget its name) and knowing of ben before any of the others is just a little bit too much to be just thrown away by the writers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 30, 2007, 06:21:27 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 02:16:36 AM
1) when nikki died on the set of expose, her "con-target" said that they could always bring her back to life somehow. i thought this was the writers being self-referential. 2) john locke stating that nothing on the island stays buried for very long.

Good points but I'll bet their acting in this episode made the producers change their minds.

Welcome to Xixax, pzyktzle.  You'll want to introduce yourself here (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.0).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 07:09:54 AM
Quote from: jacksparrow on March 30, 2007, 06:21:27 AM
Good points but I'll bet their acting in this episode made the producers change their minds.

:-D agreed. the acting is sub-par in terms of lost standards, but still light years ahead of a lot of other shows. i'll bet the producers won't change their minds.

Quote from: jacksparrow on March 30, 2007, 06:21:27 AM
Welcome to Xixax, pzyktzle.  You'll want to introduce yourself here (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.0).

cheers. will do.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 30, 2007, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 07:09:54 AM
:-D agreed. the acting is sub-par in terms of lost standards, but still light years ahead of a lot of other shows.
it was on par with a bad soap at best.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 30, 2007, 09:54:04 PM
Did anyone saw how Sawyer repeated "Who the hell are you?" like three more times in the episode? It was funny when he said it last week because its what everyone else was asking about them, but this was already mocking the show and telling us they know how bullshit those characters are.

I liked also seeing the older scenes and getting some clues... the fact that that douchebag was at the station before and didnt say anything really bothers me... but how come we never saw a fucking spider (especially that kind of spider) before on the show and suddenly they are surrounded by dozens?

And also, that fucking plane was full with assholes, criminals and crooks... Sawyer, Kate, these two idiots, Jin did his share of dirty work, Sayid was a torturer... and everybody else... a pretty fucked up group of passangers on the same plane... which explains why they all ended up there maybe
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 30, 2007, 11:14:23 PM
Quote from: kal on March 30, 2007, 09:54:04 PMbut how come we never saw a fucking spider (especially that kind of spider) before on the show and suddenly they are surrounded by dozens?

The way I understood it, if you listen carefully, before Nikki gets surrounded by the spiders, you could hear the mechcanical noise of the smoke monster.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 02:19:46 AM
Quote from: picolas on March 30, 2007, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 07:09:54 AM
:-D agreed. the acting is sub-par in terms of lost standards, but still light years ahead of a lot of other shows.
it was on par with a bad soap at best.

so basically you think the acting was the worst acting possible? what is worse than a bad soap?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 31, 2007, 02:39:02 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 02:19:46 AMwhat is worse than a bad soap?
bad audition for a bad soap.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 02:43:43 AM
Quote from: picolas on March 31, 2007, 02:39:02 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 02:19:46 AMwhat is worse than a bad soap?
bad audition for a bad soap.

check mate  :-D
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 03:03:34 AM
... and while i'm youtubing:

*possible spoiler*
if you don't know what the valenzetti equation is then you haven't seen this video. old, but good the "sri lanka" video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-eHEYswgK8) is the culmination of the lost experience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_experience)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 31, 2007, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 30, 2007, 11:14:23 PM
Quote from: kal on March 30, 2007, 09:54:04 PMbut how come we never saw a fucking spider (especially that kind of spider) before on the show and suddenly they are surrounded by dozens?

The way I understood it, if you listen carefully, before Nikki gets surrounded by the spiders, you could hear the mechcanical noise of the smoke monster.

They explained this with Arzt saying that the pheromones of a female spider could attract males from miles. The ones that bit her obviously were very close by.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 05, 2007, 02:12:38 PM
I can see why no one has posted yet. Definite eh.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 05, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
Nah, there was lots of tasty stuff in that episode.  It was just more of a transitional story than anything: "how do we get these people out of here and back to there?"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 05, 2007, 02:33:32 PM
I wasn't too thrilled with the flashback stuff but the island stuff was good.  In any case, the show has its confidence back; they had the balls to raise more questions instead of answering them for the first time in a while and I missed that.  This was the first episode all season that didn't have a "make or break" kind of feel.  

It didn't overdo it with the "OMG, Vincent turned into the smoke monster and killed Hurley but Libby's back from the dead" type stuff to keep people interested.  It wasn't "the biggest, baddest, most ball-draining episode of Lost ever in your fucking life!!!"  It was just an episode of Lost.  Now that people are starting to watch again, I'm glad they can get back to this kind of episode.

The big thing for me is, if the others have dossiers on the survivors and have no desire to kill any of them, what could they possibly gain by sending Juliet as a plant to the beach that they couldn't do already?

And where could they possibly have gone that Juliet wouldn't be able to find them?  She was with them for years.  What new spot could she not imagine they went to?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 05, 2007, 03:59:29 PM
for some reason i can't find a torrent of this ep anywhere.. it's episode 15 right? if anyone has a link gimme a pm as i don't want to check the thread.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2007, 04:06:13 PM
You can watch the episodes at ABC.com:

http://abc.go.com/site/allshows.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 05, 2007, 04:13:20 PM
not if you're canadian.

okay i'll never check the thread again startinnnnnnnnng now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 05, 2007, 10:53:20 PM
I think what I found weak about this episode, and maybe it explains why I wasn't upset by episodes strictly about the others or Nikki/Paulo and Hurley/VW Bus episodes, is that they divided their attention between too many stories. Sawyer and the vote, Kate's flashback, Kate and Juliet....it felt like the show's energy was spread too thin. It wasn't bad, it was just a very bland episode.

And why was Jack still passed out in the hallway if Kate woke up so quickly? They were away for days, and they come back and he's still lying there? That was strange to me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 06, 2007, 12:13:43 AM
I just hope they dont wait until Locke's next flashback episode to show what happened with him and his dad... I liked the Hurley-Sawyer story more than the others in this one. I do think Juliet has to know something... it cant be that everyone knew they were leaving and had everything done but her... she was not a prisoner or anything... I dont know it seems like the story developed a little confusing from the night when Locke blew up the submarine and then found his dad, to this...



Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on April 06, 2007, 01:23:31 AM
did anyone else notice that locke returned from the sub completely soaked and without a gun (as well as his backpack), and yet we see him board the sub from the jetty/pier without any need to get into the water at all?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 06, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: picolas on April 05, 2007, 04:13:20 PM
not if you're canadian.

okay i'll never check the thread again startinnnnnnnnng now.

I found it on Torrentz.com THROUGH google but not through the site (wtf!)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 06, 2007, 04:45:45 PM
got it thankyou
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 07, 2007, 12:39:13 AM
best site for torrents is mininova.org
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on April 07, 2007, 02:22:18 AM
www.tvrss.net
is your friend.  it will pick you up when you're in trouble downtown, and call you when you're sad
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on April 07, 2007, 03:38:02 AM
supertorrents (http://www.supertorrents.org) does it for me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 07, 2007, 03:51:48 AM
thank you all for coming to my aid repeatedly during this struggle, friends.

had i the interest, i would download and watch the episode several times more to show my gratitude.

special thanks goes to meatwad who supplied me with the very first link to the torrent in a pm late last night.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 10, 2007, 11:58:05 PM
SPOILERS for Tonights Episode (in Ask Ausiello). He says its 'the best episode of the season so far'.


Question: Any chance of some Lost scoop?— Roisin
Ausiello: As a matter of fact, there's a pretty good chance, since I illegally and unethically obtained an advance copy of tonight's Juliet-centric outing. Now, before we get to the spoilers, I feel it's my responsibility to tell you that this is easily the best Lost episode of the season. Bar none. You want answers? This one's got 'em in spades. Not only will we find out how Juliet came to the island, but we'll learn why she stuck around and the reason her people gassed her. And unlike some of the show's other "answers," these make perfect sense in the context of the overall narrative.

We'll also discover that:

* Claire's kidnapping didn't exactly go as planned.
* Juliet carried on an affair with an Other whose name wasn't Ben or Henry.
* There are real feelings between Sawyer and Kate. I know because there's a moment between the two of 'em that made me go all misty-eyed and sniffly, and that's never happened to me while watching these two before.
* Sun's fetus has bigger problems than figuring out who its daddy is.

And stealing a page from Ain't It Cool News' playbook (thanks, Herc; wish I'd thought of it myself!), here are some of the episode's standout quotes:

* "I had the day off."
* "If you choose to stay, I promise you we will *a** ******'* *i**."
* "The last thing either of you needs right now is more blood on your hands."
* "Because I did it to her."

One question this episode didn't answer is which category Elizabeth Mitchell will win her Emmy in: lead or supporting. You've come a long way, Dinah Lee Mayberry.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 11, 2007, 07:50:32 AM
Something better happen tonight! I'm starting to doubt that they have an idea for a cool ending and it's just gonna be polarbears and Smokemonster going crazy...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 11, 2007, 10:03:01 PM
LOST is officially back on its feet again.

what a great episode. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 12, 2007, 01:18:36 AM
Quote from: JG on April 11, 2007, 10:03:01 PM
LOST is officially back on its feet again.

For the last time, Lost was never off its feet.

I hereby revoke your seat on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 12, 2007, 10:07:57 AM
i LOVED last nights episode.  don't think it was the best of the season, (didn't quite top Locke's from the recent batch) but it was goddamned good. 

MAJOR SPOILERS

everytime Juilet is onscreen i can hardly help myself from saying aloud how much i hate her.  i loved that the episode spent the bulk of the backstory trying to make her sympathetic only to pull the rug out at the end to say NOPE SHE IS FUCKING EVIL.  LOVE it. LOVE IT LOVE IT.

i loved that Sayid and Sawyer tracked her down.  Sayid has never been fooled by anyone. ever.  he knows who is not who they say they are, he knows if you're lying, he will hang back to not upset the Jack relationship but be waiting and watching her close.  LOVE IT.

did i misinterpret this or do you think that The Others are all cancer patients (and doctors/researchers)?

the thing i love about LOST that i can't think of any other show that does this (as well) is the way it constantly doubles back on its own timeline.  midway through the episode when they got to the first episode of season 3 was amazing.  and then seeing the events that happened just after that, filling in the grey areas.  and then it jumps forward in a later flashback and there is still so much to learn of how Juliet went from only wanting to leave the island to participating in evilness.

i love that "see you in a week" sets up such great tension for the upcoming episodes.  we know she's evil, sayid and sawyer know she's evil.  nobody else knows.  what could she possibly be doing there? and if the show follows the rough 1 day per episode model that means that a week will coincide exactly with the 2 hour finale, which means its going to be a(nother) mindblower.

on episodes of LOST like this one there is such a sense of forward motion that it makes it so disappointing on the inbetween weeks when you know there are places to go and you're not going there.  the last few weeks have been good but this week was great. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 12, 2007, 10:33:40 AM
Juliet isn't evil EVIL.  She's just this season's Michael.  "I'll do whatever it takes to see my sister again."  Except she's better at lying.  I really wasn't expecting a confirmation that she was full of shit until closer to the end of the season.

And when she finally grabs Sun to take her back to the Human Project others, who's gonna be able to stop her with her awesome karate skills?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 12, 2007, 11:36:41 AM
This is the best show on TV.

No other show makes you feel like you cant wait a week to see what is next, not even 24.

The episode was amazing and Juliet's acting was superb. She did great in both flashback episodes.

One of my favorite scenes of Lost is really when the Others gather out there and see the plane going down... amazing moment.

And its great that they jump back and forth in the timeline, its great to see all those dead characters over and over again.

And these are the moments when I'm so happy they had that 3 month hiatus and we dont have to see repeats, because this is the typical episode that they would put a repeat after last year.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 12, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
i feel that the episodes is better when the whole cast is gathered. minus locke who will probably appear in the next episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 12, 2007, 01:55:16 PM
This is the most Lost episode of Lost since Season 2. Absolutely amazing, agree with everything that's been said...except mod's 'hatred' of Juliet. She's so beautiful, I can't help but be on her side no matter what.

The writing on this episode was so pitch perfect, but in a way not risky. I found myself completing many of the characters' sentences. In any case, one of the best in terms of developing plot, but not full-blown answering questions.

I don't think Lost has ever lost its footing. For christ sake, judging it one episode at a time doesn't take into account the entire arc of a season.

So Sun is preggers too. Is she next?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on April 14, 2007, 12:29:56 AM
Indeed, very good episode. I was worried last couple of episodes when Juliet started becoming a good character. That final scene was a brilliant stroke of manipulation on the writers' parts, completely shattering everything we've seen of her this past half-season.

The montaging toward the end was a little silly, is my only complaint.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 14, 2007, 01:36:53 PM
'Lost' in Transition
Finally, some answers! The show's producers come clean about sagging ratings, the Nikki/Paulo debacle, and the beginning of the island's end
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Jack is back on the beach! The Others can't make babies! And ding-dong...Nikki and Paulo are dead! Yes, the stormy third season of Lost is finally clearing up, in case you haven't noticed — and judging by the ratings, you haven't. Since the castaway drama returned to ABC in its new time slot (10 p.m. on Wednesdays) on Feb. 7, viewership has slipped by nearly 20 percent to 11.7 million, and the series is down 12 percent from its season 1 highs. Exec producer Damon Lindelof is blunt about the ratings drop: ''It sucks.''

To be fair, numbers alone don't tell the whole story of Lost's health. Despite the decline, the show still wins its time slot in the 18-49 demo, and it's also one of the most watched shows outside of its time period, thanks to Internet downloading and DVRs. ''Because we moved it to 10, it does seem as if the percentage of DVR recording has gone up. It's tough for people to stay up,'' says Larry Hyams, ABC's chief of research. ''The numbers should be building toward the season finale.'' While ABC has renewed Lost for another year, the producers admit that their demanding enterprise isn't the weekly must-see that it once was, especially during this strangely scheduled, awkwardly crafted third season. ''We've always felt Lost was a cult show at heart. I think what we're seeing now is a marketplace correction,'' says exec producer Carlton Cuse. ''The research shows that for the most part, the audience that started with the show is still with us, though they may be watching it in different ways.''

The producers are working very hard to keep the fans who are still watching satisfied and tuned in. That's why they (literally) buried Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro's unpopular newcomers, Nikki and Paulo. Originally, the diamond-swiping crooks were to have anchored a winking arc of stories; one twist-ending episode would have devoted its flashback to actress Nikki's cheeky TV show, Exposé about strippers who solve crimes. But faced with mounting disdain toward the abruptly introduced characters — and ramped-up viewer frustration with the show's aggressively enigmatic storytelling — the producers decided in December to telescope their ideas into a single, kiss-off episode. ''Back when we had more good faith with the audience, we could have gotten away with these shenanigans. Given the backlash against them, we had to clean up the mess,'' says Lindelof. ''We're now judged on an episode-by-episode basis. There's not a lot of room for error.''

The encouraging news: A sneak peek at upcoming episodes finds Lost delivering some serious storytelling goods. The April 18 outing sheds more light on Desmond's future flashes and brings a new character to the island. The April 25 installment — building on the recent disclosure that women who get pregnant on the island appear doomed to die — reveals the paternity of Sun's baby and has an ending that will leave theory spinners reconsidering their scenarios. And on May 2, fans will learn the answer to one of Lost's biggest mysteries, ''something we set up way back in season 1,'' says Lindelof. Care to be more specific? ''No way.''

The season's final three episodes are cloaked in mystery. Will the May 9 hour, entitled ''The Man Behind the Curtain,'' finally lay bare the Dharma Initiative mythology? ''No comment,'' teases Cuse. ''But it would be interesting if we finally met someone who was actually part of the Initiative.'' As for the two-hour May 23 finale, rumors of war and death abound. (RIP, Dominic Monaghan's Charlie and Michael Emerson's Ben?) Lindelof says they wrote the finale mindful that viewers probably won't see Lost again until January 2008 — when it would launch a rerun-free season, and perhaps the beginning of the end of the show itself. The producers have long approached Lost as a novel with a definitive final chapter, and have been in negotiations with ABC about determining and announcing an end date for the series. Such a move would be fairly unprecedented in broadcast television — and could imbue Lost with renewed urgency. But for now, neither side is commenting on the talks. ''Discussions continue'' is all Cuse will say.

However season 3 ends, Lindelof hopes Lost will again be on friendly terms with its rabid — but easily frustrated — audience. ''We made a promise back in the pilot,'' he says. ''We believe by the end of the season we'll have made good on it. And don't start pestering us about which frigging promise. Trust us. You'll know.''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 18, 2007, 11:30:02 PM
Past midnight and still no posts? Thats strange.

I really liked this episode. SPOILERS.

I honestly loved it when this bastard got killed in the first minute, but it was too good to be truth. I did not care much about the flashback, but it did reveal some interesting things about Desmond and how he got there.

Jin telling ghost stories was the best part. I liked also that Sawyer knew that something happened with Jack after Kate came in crying and wanting to have sex. Still, it was good that he did not care about it and still had sex. The ping-pong between Jack and Sawyer was cool too, as they didnt have a moment like that since last season.

I wonder how that helicopter got there, as the range of a helicopter is not much. If there is a ship somewhere close by, I'm sure Penny is on it and that is what we will see in the finale.

It was a really good episode. Too bad Charlie is still alive though  :saywhat:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 19, 2007, 09:19:49 AM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft255%2Fhutchy_boi%2Fvlcsnap-10028353.png&hash=24c64f3c8d3305ec63cfa01f1a5bc4bf1d89edf8)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 19, 2007, 10:07:01 AM
^ i thought there was something weird about that picture (besides being a horrible photoshop job)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 19, 2007, 10:40:49 AM
If the Jay and Jack podcast callers are any indication, that is the most universally noticed easter egg of the run of the show.  I think that shitty photoshopping was what caught the eye.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 19, 2007, 01:38:24 PM
Wow, I did not see that before :yabbse-undecided:

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 19, 2007, 07:30:20 PM
For some reason, I couldn't remember that that was future lady and assumed it was Barbara Bush....  :doh:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 19, 2007, 10:51:24 PM
Quote from: sparrowhoff on April 19, 2007, 10:40:49 AM
If the Jay and Jack podcast callers are any indication, that is the most universally noticed easter egg of the run of the show.  I think that shitty photoshopping was what caught the eye.

yeah! damn. i thought i was special then realized everyone on the internet had already caught it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on April 26, 2007, 11:28:43 AM
I love this show. Great episode.

I really want Juliet to be good, and I sat through this entire episode wondering if she just took Ben's intructions as a chance to leave them behind and help out the people on the beach. That tape message at the end was great.

However, I also sat through the episode thinking "I hope Sawyer doesn't knock up Kate and turn the island into a baby farm." But it will get interesting anyway, so I don't really mind.

Also, I could tell that the parachute girl didn't really say "Thank you for helping me" and that the guy lied about the translation, but I couldn't tell what she'd said. Apparently she said "Eu não estou só" which is Portugese for ""I'm not alone." The guy lied about it for some reason.  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 26, 2007, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: elpablo on April 26, 2007, 11:28:43 AMThe guy lied about it for some reason.  :ponder:

You mean, the guy whose head exploded a couple weeks ago and is now, somehow, still alive?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 26, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
the guy must be a robot or something.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on April 26, 2007, 02:44:25 PM
anyone read this dude's lost diary over at tmz?

http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/26/lost-diary-d-o-c/#continuedcontents (http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/26/lost-diary-d-o-c/#continuedcontents)

i like it.  and i like this:

"Assuming they aren't all in purgatory, and assuming this woman isn't lying (after all, she was looking for Desmond) here is a quick theory that will no doubt be proven wrong: Once the plane crashed on the island, Henry Gale called back to the Hanso/Dharma people to tell them what happened. The powers that be decided they couldn't have rescue teams come looking for the plane because they might find the island. So they somehow staged a fake crash site to keep people from looking. Could be, right?"

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 26, 2007, 02:58:25 PM
I agree with that because at that point, the only other possibility I can think of is that the island itself is one constant across a number of alternate realities and so people can potentially come into that bubble from any of those realities.  Maybe this woman came in from an alternate existence in which Biff is the richest man in Hill Valley Flight 815 really crashed and everyone actually died.

But smart money's on the Dharma cover-up.

Oh, and Kate's pregnant.  What's up with that?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 26, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
Smart money indeed - is it too far-fetched to think they could have actually gotten the plane that drifted into the sea?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 26, 2007, 05:51:09 PM
my initial impression was that island time is different than real time, something that has been tossed around a lot this season (mittelos = lost time).  thus, the parachuter comes from sometime in the near future, a future where the losties have died and their bodies have been found.

but that theory has its flaws as well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 26, 2007, 08:20:59 PM
Quote from: A Matter Of Chance on April 26, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
Smart money indeed - is it too far-fetched to think they could have actually gotten the plane that drifted into the sea?

possibly, but she mentioned that there were no survivors. if people were missing from the plane they would have said so.

the others are pretty brilliant manipulators (locking kate in an easy to escape cage, putting her in that dress) they're playing matchmakers!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 26, 2007, 08:37:56 PM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on April 26, 2007, 08:20:59 PM
the others are pretty brilliant manipulators (locking kate in an easy to escape cage, putting her in that dress) they're playing matchmakers!

Good call!

And I don't know if this is still part of the lore of the island, but the idea of being able to leave and arrive to the island...it seemed before that it was both impossible to find and impossible to leave. Desmond in the second season talking about how he couldn't leave the island...maybe he just meant fatalistically. Now, it seems that this was completely made up by the Others. Am I slow, or is this something that's been slowly eroded away over time?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 27, 2007, 12:53:44 PM
I think the cover-up is probably what happened. They made sure nobody will come looking for the island. When such a big plane goes down, there will be an important search and rescue operation.

The rest about the others playing matchmakers could be very interesting with Kate and Sawyer. They seem to know that something is already happening to her. Maybe they gave them hormones or something before hoping they would bang, or maybe the island not only makes people heal but also conceive easier.

One thing I was wondering is that Sun is pregnant for only 53 days. They've been on the island 90 days. I dont remember at what point exactly Sun took the test but the timing is kinda weird. I mean usually women dont feel pregnant until the 3-4 week. I did not look into that because Im hoping the writers know what they're doing.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 27, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: kal on April 27, 2007, 12:53:44 PM
Maybe they gave them hormones or something before hoping they would bang, or maybe the island not only makes people heal but also conceive easier.

Juliet said that sperm counts on the island were five times higher than normal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 27, 2007, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 27, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: kal on April 27, 2007, 12:53:44 PM
Maybe they gave them hormones or something before hoping they would bang, or maybe the island not only makes people heal but also conceive easier.

Juliet said that sperm counts on the island were five times higher than normal.

There you go. I forgot that.

Kate's pregnancy would be interesting also for Jack.

Thank god Ana Lucia is dead, or she would also be pregnant with a baby from Sawyer. Maybe even Bernard and Rose can have a baby :)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2007, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: kal on April 27, 2007, 11:48:09 PMThank god Ana Lucia is dead, or she would also be pregnant with a baby from Sawyer.

Or imagine a Libby/Hurley baby.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 28, 2007, 12:14:50 AM
...amusing how juliet and the others are only concerned with sun and kate's possibly pregnancy. 40 survivors and no one else has been gettin' busy?  what else is there to do?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 28, 2007, 10:42:08 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on April 28, 2007, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: kal on April 27, 2007, 11:48:09 PMThank god Ana Lucia is dead, or she would also be pregnant with a baby from Sawyer.

Or imagine a Libby/Hurley baby.

or imagine them having sex. :saywhat:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2007, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: ddiggler6280 on April 28, 2007, 12:14:50 AMwhat else is there to do?

Ping-pong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 28, 2007, 05:17:20 PM
No joke. They had a golf course also and I guess they got bored of playing golf after 2 days?

What the hell do all the other survivors in the background do? They never know what is happening, never get involved. Sometimes I feel it would have been better to have less survivors. But then they would not be able to introduce stupid new characters like Nikki and Paulo... Mmmm thats great!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 03, 2007, 02:00:58 PM
So I really liked last nights episode, maybe my favorite of the season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 03, 2007, 04:12:42 PM
holy balls, it was so awesome.
Even though we all knew about locke's dad...It was really funny how he believes the island to be hell "ain't it a lil hot fo heaven" me likey.

I can't wait for Michael to come back.

And should Jack be trusted? What's goin on there?

Oh. And i want to eight rope Juliet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 03, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
I got goosebumps so bad during the entire scene from when Locke's dad says, "Tom Sawyer," until the end. That was so fucking intense, Josh Holloway definitely has pure rage pegged. Interesting that Locke managed to con Sawyer, really poignant, subtle way of saying the apple doesn't fall too far. Probably the most intense episode ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2007, 12:43:51 AM
It was great... I was waiting for so long to see that look on Sawyers face... and its one of the first 'connections' between characters that is openly revealed to them.

Locke has once again found his purpose and he is focused like in Season 1 with the Hatch... and its great to see how the situation with Jack and the rest is getting worse... I wonder if Jack became stupid or if he is smarter than Juliet and everyone else.

I loved that Locke's dad called Ben "bugeye"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 04, 2007, 09:29:21 PM
ABC to Announce Lost End Date
Source: E! Online

Kristin Veitch at E! Online has learned that ABC is planning to announce the end date for "Lost" very soon. Veitch says that "the exact number of remaining episodes and seasons is still muddy—and might not be exactly two seasons."

She added that ABC is planning to push back the return date for the show to January of next year in order to air new episodes back-to-back, and it is also very likely that "Lost" will change time slots next season.

Veitch also says that fans can expect a "massive, mind-blowing, cast-related 'game-changer'... which is revealed in the season finale."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 04, 2007, 10:42:59 PM
Smart money is on a full fourth season with a commitment to an abbreviated fifth season, with the possibility of a full-length fifth season if ratings come back into form.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2007, 11:45:34 PM
As much as they want the ratings to increase with this press and making it seem like 'its ending, so the questions will be answered soon', I think ABC is happy with the ratings at this point. Its still one of the best rated shows and one of the top 10 in the demographic.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 05, 2007, 12:10:38 AM
Also, if I'm not mistaken, it's still the most-purchased show on iTunes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stefen on May 05, 2007, 01:56:48 AM
You guys are still watching this show? I watch the promos from the show their having this week, about the show they had last week, and it doesn't even make sense from the show they showed a promo about three weeks ago.

How are they gonna get new fans if they don't even make sense? They need to take some pointers from the OC. Now that's a show that made me make sure I watched the promos they had from the week before about the week before, so I could catch up for next weeks episode. I'm an OC expert and I never even watched a full episode. Just every weeks promos. Seth better get back with Summer and Ryan needs to chill with the agro shit. When do Ryan and Kirsten get together? Major milf.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 05, 2007, 07:03:29 AM
The promo they showed a few weeks ago was a "last few episodes of the season" promo.  They smashed up to 5 episodes of shit into 15 seconds.

What I don't think anyone is connecting, which polka kind of referred to on the last page, is that the ratings are going down because so many people are watching it on iTunes, or getting it for free on torrent sites.  I have only seen one article so far that connects online viewing with Nielsen ratings and that was in reference to The Office.  I don't understand why this isn't a bigger thing or one that's taken into greater consideration. 

I don't think it's possible for a show with a story arc that requires you watch the first 2 seasons will attract new viewers towards the end of season 3 with easy-to-follow promos.  At this point, the only new viewers the show will get are people who have finally been worn down by their friends who watch the first season or sci-fi geeks who have recently come out of long comas.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 05, 2007, 07:24:44 AM
Quote from: sparrowhoff on May 05, 2007, 07:03:29 AM
or sci-fi geeks who have recently come out of long comas.
Man: Do Sonny and Cher still have that stupid show?
Kent: No, uh, she won an Oscar, and he's a Congressman.
Man: Good night!

in other news i've become really good at reading this thread without actually reading any posts.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 05, 2007, 08:29:10 AM
about 8 weeks ago i decided i'd had enough of the promos and stopped watching them completely pausing the show in the moment the show ends.  abc's ad dept is too desperate and makes every week seem like it will be the most dramatic week ever!  not to mention spoiling everything like SOMEONE WILL DIE!  i just don't need that.  i think it's improved my viewing.  i listen to the podcasts though where they give you a small tease of whats coming up without totally ruining everything. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 06, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
One mystery solved: 'Lost' to end in 2010
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY

The end is in sight for ABC's acclaimed island mystery Lost, but fans will have to wait until 2010 for all the answers.

In a highly unusual move, the network announces plans today to end the show after three more shortened seasons of 16 episodes each. The episodes will air consecutively, repeat-free, from February to May.

ABC's bold step marks a response to the show's producers, who have been eager to set a finish line to better plot out their convoluted mystery of plane-crash survivors and to placate fans who are frustrated that the show seemed to be vamping its way to a conclusion.

"Among fans there was an unease that they were making an investment in a show that's complicated without any sense of where that's going to lead them," co-creator Damon Lindelof said in an exclusive interview. "From the very beginning, fans and even critics have been saying, 'Are you making it up as you go along?' " which was "a legitimate question."

Now, with a still far-away ending in sight, Lindelof says he and executive producer Carlton Cuse have "specific designs for ending the next two seasons" and promises that with the answer-filled season finale May 23, viewers "will begin to get an idea of what that design will be, and it will not be at all what they expect."

The finale completed filming in Hawaii on Saturday, a day after Lindelof and Cuse signed new contracts that will keep them working on Lost exclusively for the duration. With 48 more episodes due, the show will have completed 60% of its planned six-season run.

"It's practically unprecedented in network TV to announce the end of a show this far out," Cuse says.

ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson says the unusual long-term commitment is "a unique situation" he would be unlikely to repeat for other series. "It's one of the best shows that's ever been on," he says. "It's got brilliant storytelling, incredible character work, and takes chances beyond anything that's on the air now."

With Desperate Housewives, Lost re-energized ABC in fall 2004 and became a top 10 series. But after two time-slot switches, interruptions for low-rated repeats and a mystery that tried the patience of some fans, Lost has lost some steam. Ratings are down about 14% this season, though Lost still ranks highly among young adults and is the most heavily recorded show on DVRs.

McPherson concedes that splitting the current third season in two "was not the best for the show" and says the network also is discussing a return to an earlier time slot to draw more family viewership.

Shorter seasons will allow plots to be more tightly constructed and "will make it a real event," Lindelof says. "We won't have to do episodes where people are standing on the beach looking at the water and wondering what's going to happen next."

Will Lost risk losing fans' interest with an eight-month lag? "People wait longer than eight months for the next books and films in the Harry Potter story and they don't seem to lose interest," Cuse says. "We have faith that our audience, knowing exactly how much of the story we have left, is going to be with us for the rest of the ride."

But, Lindelof says, "the last five minutes of (this month's) finale are going to seal our fate."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 07, 2007, 12:04:40 AM
That's actually great news.  I think the show will thrive creatively with short seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 07, 2007, 01:12:22 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 06, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
"People wait longer than eight months for the next books and films in the Harry Potter story and they don't seem to lose interest," Cuse says.

yeah but once they're out we don't have to wait a week before turning a page.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 07, 2007, 01:31:08 AM
I just dont like the idea of waiting 8 months and only getting 16 episodes instead of 22 or 24... it reminds me of how much I hate the HBO strategy for their shows. But at least its good to know the show will have 3 more seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 07, 2007, 09:24:10 AM
I think this is ideal.  I'm not thrilled about having to wait 8 months for the next season but it's better than the shit they did in season 3.  However, I am very thrilled about 16 episodes. That means those 16 episodes will be tight as hell, presumably.  Each of us can go to every season and pull out at least 5 episodes (more for seasons 2 and 3) that could have been cut or incorporated into other episodes.  So let's hope they take this opportunity to not switch hands when jerking us off like they like to and just go hard and fast so they can get out of the car.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 07, 2007, 05:39:41 PM
Next on Fox: When Analogies Go Horribly Awry.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on May 09, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
!!?!!?!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 10, 2007, 01:03:56 AM
Quote from: sickfins on May 09, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
!!?!!?!

That was Jacob.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 10, 2007, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on May 10, 2007, 01:03:56 AM
Quote from: sickfins on May 09, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
!!?!!?!

That was Jacob.

a.k.a christian shepherd?

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2007, 11:22:07 AM
I still think Jacob looks more like Locke in a wig but... shit yeah, that could very well be Christian.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 10, 2007, 11:39:57 AM
on another note, remember how young ben could see his mother? and that she told him that he wasn't ready or something, correct me if i'm wrong. but this reminded on how jack could see his father a couple of days after the plane crashed on the island. just something i noticed, i don't know if there's a connection. if ben can see and talk to dead people, then jacob is christian?

hm....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 10, 2007, 01:25:23 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all well and good, but what's up with Nestor Carbonell not aging?!!??!?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2007, 02:20:44 PM
We may get the answer to that in the next couple of episodes.  I doubt they'll touch on it that much in season 4, depending on what the theme of that season is.  Because if he's a native and Ben is the only Dharma employee there, then there's a whole lot that we don't know about these people.  Namely, what is their scientific agenda?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 10, 2007, 04:45:41 PM
This is fucked up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 10, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
soooo fucked up,

Do you think Ben shot Locke where his missing kidney was?

Also, I wonder what happened to Ben's "girlfriend"...did she die in the gas too?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 10, 2007, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: shnorff on May 10, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
Also, I wonder what happened to Ben's "girlfriend"...did she die in the gas too?

And what kind of parents would give woodworking tools to a seven-year-old girl?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2007, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: shnorff on May 10, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
Also, I wonder what happened to Ben's "girlfriend"...did she die in the gas too?

Bet in his next flashback we find out he knocked her up and she died from pregnancy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 10, 2007, 11:15:37 PM
Ok this is fucked up still... but some comments...

- Amazing how much the kid looked like Michael Emerson... even some gestures. Good casting.

- I hope Locke doesnt die. Right after he beat the shit out of the russian I was thinking he was the best character and how happy I was that he is back being like in the first season.

- I dont know if I want this to get more supernatural than what it is. Its cool when some of the weirdest things have a simple explanation. I have enough with the black smoke and now the invisible man...

- Jack is officially a dick. Sawyer and Sayid should beat his ass.

- I missed Hurley and Desmond this episode.

- I want Charlie to finally die.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 11, 2007, 10:42:35 AM
Ok, a guy from work and I went over it, and there are SO MANY f'in daddy issues:

-Jack and his pops
-Kate and her stepdad
-Ben and his dad
-Locke and his dad
-Alex and Ben
-Michael and Walt
-Hurley and Cheech
-Sawyer and his alter ego, and his dead daddy
-Claire and Jack's dad
-Desmond and Penny's dad
-Sun and Jin and Sun's dad, also Jin's dad, but that's a stretch

That's quite a few.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 16, 2007, 11:28:34 PM
Tonights episode was blah... but I guess it makes sense... the calm before the storm.

I hate that this is the second time they do the 'Charlie is dying' thing and its obvious that he will not die when everyone is expecting it... so I knew something was going to happen.

The highlights were:

- Rose and Bernard
- Hurley in his 2 minute appearance
- The excitement/sadness that the finale is next week, meaning there is only one more episode before a 9 month break  :(
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 17, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
could this be cassidy? who was conned by sawyer.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 17, 2007, 10:20:32 AM
^that does look a lot like cassidy.

this felt more like the first hour of a three hour finale, but it did have a lot to set up. i like how they tied in where the cable on the beach led to. next week is gonna be intense!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 17, 2007, 10:35:17 AM
Man, I got so choked up when Charlie gave Hurley a goodbye hug.  That really got to me.  I haven't had a lump in my throat that big since Rose and Bernard reunited. 

I thought it was a good episode but yeah, I knew that they were faking us out with the flashback, that he wouldn't die at least in this episode.  Killing off Charlie would be kind of shitty but if it actually does get Claire off the island, fine.  They wrote themselves into a corner with her and the "you have to raise your baby or some bad stuff will happen" shit.  But if she leaves with Aaron, the world's biggest 2-month old, it's fine by me.

Fuck, I may cry at work because I keep thinking about that hug. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 17, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: mogwai on May 17, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
could this be cassidy? who was conned by sawyer.

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the one conned by sawyer and then helped kate, no? could very much be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 23, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Wow that was the strangest most beautiful ending. What a doozy.

Was the deceased Ben, maybe? They took care not to mention a sex, or at least I didn't notice one mentioned...so maybe it's some girl but I think Juliette would have had some people show up.

Ah whatever, what a wild way to end the season. Best episode yet, I think.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 23, 2007, 10:53:35 PM
SPOILERS - PUBRICK, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST YOU READING ANY FURTHER ON THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF SEASON 3.


Fucking fantastic!  Best season finale so far, no question about it.  But they're lucky that they got that end date locked down because with it, that was a legendary episode, the kind that geeks will be talking about for years like the JFK assassination.  Without that end date, it would have been the mother of all shark jumpers.  Now that we know something about the future, I think that would have been the last straw for a lot of people.  But since we know we have 48 more episodes after this, it's all good.

Sad to see Charlie go.  I really hoped he would make it.  Hurley's deus ex bus was a great moment, cheese-filled as it was. 

I first thought it was Ben in the box, since no one went to the funeral, but who knows?  All we know is it definitely isn't Hurley since the coffin was normal-sized (unless the producers know that Jorge Garcia is going to get his stomach stapled).  It could be Locke as well.  Kate's reaction to the idea of going to this person's funeral makes me think it's someone whom she's currently not on the outs with. 

A friend of mine suggested that they might change the show now to be closer to something like The Nine, that the island stuff will become the "flashbacks" and they'll show us this future.  Not sure how I feel about that but it's not a bad way to go.  Might be a stretch for the casual fan to stay with but it just regained its title (if it ever lost it) of TV's most gripping show, in particular with Jack's line of "You go upstairs and find my father and if I'm drunker than him, you can fire me."

It was a good day today.  Aced my math final, Jordin Sparks won American Idol like I predicted back in January, and Lost's season finale was kickass!   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 23, 2007, 10:58:02 PM
LOST IS THE BEST TV SHOW OF ALL TIME.

yes.  my mind is fucking blown.  i'm so sad right now i can't believe it.  thank you, season 3.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 23, 2007, 11:10:36 PM
Ah yes I agree all around. That episode truly did solidify this show's status as one of the best experiences since, shit, moving pictures. Fuck, I can't even think about it clearly. Can't wait to see where it goes from here. Hopefully they'll continue with these future flashbacks if only every now and then. That last clip was such a downer and a tease.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 23, 2007, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on May 23, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Was the deceased Ben, maybe? They took care not to mention a sex, or at least I didn't notice one mentioned...so maybe it's some girl but I think Juliette would have had some people show up.

after a tivo reviewing the newspaper clipping says...

LOS ANGELES
A Man found
downtown


and thats all i could make out.  when he goes to the wake, the guy asks him "friend or family?" and he says neither.  that leads me to believe Ben is the most likely candidate.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 23, 2007, 11:32:13 PM
I thought Michael or Locke, personally.

And yeah, hurrah for Lost. Is this only coming back in January? Or February? If so that hurrah owns a hint of sadness.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 23, 2007, 11:34:08 PM
SPOILERS

I'm like everyone else here, completely shocked, excited, happy and sad.

Besides the final seconds of the show which were unbelievable for anyone who's been watching this for the past three years, the whole 2 hours were fantastic. I kinda hated the amount of commercials every 2 seconds, because I'm used to download the show with no commercials. I just could not wait until tomorrow to watch this.

The whole flashback scene, and Jack beating the shit out of Ben, and Locke seeing WALT and then the moment at the end. Everything was so so well done. Charlie speaking with Penelope and then dying. We know that Naomi was not sent by Penelope after all, so who is she? We know for the future-flash that they were rescued, but that doesn't mean they got rescued at that moment or how many years into the future they went. The mother-daughter reunion was not so great, but whatever everything was too much.

I also think it was Ben, or maybe Locke who died. But then again when you start thinking about it many of the castaways had no family (Sawyer, Sayid, etc.). It was probably Ben though, because of Kate's reaction.

The fucking one-eyed guy is invincible, apparently like Locke. Hurley's moment was great because he did not get much action in all these plans and nobody wanted his help cause he is fat and draws too much attention, so its great that he did that.

I cant believe how good this was, and that we have to wait until February to see what happens... I thought last year that I could not wait after the finale but now its really something else. Best TV show by far.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 24, 2007, 12:11:27 AM
I watched this with no commercials biatch. thank you tivo.
Agreed, best ending/season finale ever. Best show of all time.  :bravo:

How CRAZY would it be if season 3 marks some sort of symmetry and season 4-6 will all be future flashbacks?

Did anyone else think Charlie had a chance at swimming out the window?

Also it was a nice touch how Jack was using a Crazr phone to hint at the future.

I pity people who don't watch this show..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 24, 2007, 12:44:11 AM
I'm seriously so ecstatic. I was just pacing the floor for twenty minutes reexplaining the episode to my brother, who only watches the show once in a while but always likes being filled in.  this episode is going to make me watch all of season 3 in a new way, even the seemingly lightweight episodes like hurley's flashback (where he finds the car), take on new meaning.  i'm just satisfied on every level. 

in addition to the episode providing some of the coolest twists and revelations EVER, it was probably the most well done episode of the year. from the music to charlie's bad ass acting (loved the good vibrations bit), everything felt so incredibly epic.  it was like watching the best movie of 2007 (so far) on network television.   

cool parts (in addition the obvious, obviously): 

good vibrations/"you all everybody!"/charlie's heroic death
jack beating the shit out of ben
mikhail's [lack of an] eye
jack's beard
epic shots (arriving to the tower; 2001 homage when we see the two jurls talking from charlie's POV)
the notion the christian shepperd could still be alive. 

i unno, i still have a lot to think about,  but i'm gonna get all crazy and write in big fonts now...

LOST IS INCREDIBLE. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 24, 2007, 01:07:27 AM
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dead man seems to be LOCKE. The paper seems to say "Jo........". But who the hell knows. Look at his image.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)

Also here is a link from someone creepier than us that already has screenshots about every single scene of the episode.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/ (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 24, 2007, 01:11:23 AM
So wait, Walt hit puberty in a matter of days?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 24, 2007, 01:16:19 AM
Can I go around and kick in the nuts all the people who spent the whole season complaining about how the show had lost its way?  Can I please?  Is it too much to ask that we never doubt Lost again?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 24, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
Quote from: sparrowhoff on May 23, 2007, 10:53:35 PM
SPOILERS - PUBRICK, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST YOU READING ANY FURTHER ON THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF SEASON 3.

thanks sparrow!

i managed to even avoid the pic above your post. and for the record tonite's episode finished just a few hours ago and it was the one where we find out how locke lost his groove/legs. next week is about the useless new characters.. i now bid this thread adieu. i'd also appreciate it if you guys don't refer to anything spoilerful outside this thread, obviously. i saw a comment about nikki/paulo in the heroes thread and it confused me.

see y'all in human giant!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 24, 2007, 09:38:20 AM
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Quote from: kal on May 23, 2007, 11:34:08 PM
I also think it was Ben, or maybe Locke who died.

I know that between the moment Jack makes the call to Not Penny's Boat and that moment with him and Kate at the airport in the future (2007?), a lot is going to happen.  But I can't see Locke or Ben leaving the island without being dead first.  Ben hasn't been off the island in 30 years and has NOTHING for him out there.  Same with Locke more or less.

Quote from: kal on May 24, 2007, 01:07:27 AM
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dead man seems to be LOCKE. The paper seems to say "Jo........". But who the hell knows. Look at his image.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)

That clipping has a name like Jo... Lantham, it looks like.  Either someone we haven't met, an other whose name don't know, or maybe a Sawyer alias.

And whoever Kate had waiting for her at home... maybe it was her son as opposed to husband. 

Too many things... too many things... too many things... too many things...




Quote from: MacGuffin on May 24, 2007, 01:11:23 AM
So wait, Walt hit puberty in a matter of days?

He must have seen kal's avatar.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 24, 2007, 11:32:36 AM
Fuck. I just realized I downloaded and watched a torrent of the second hour and didn't realize it was split into two. Either way, I was able to follow it and it was amazing. I've been thinking that it was dumb of them to announce an end date because now every time they found a way off the island I would know it wasn't real, but of course they knew exactly what they were doing all along.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 24, 2007, 12:09:54 PM
this was a complete wtf moment:

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv720%2Fithica45%2Flost.jpg&hash=9d13b9a3ff201da428c11055aedc768a88b068cb)

sayid killing one of the others, the easy way. :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 24, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Sayid has seen combat, knows when people are lying, is not above torture as a means of getting people to tell the truth, ALWAYS knows what's going on but no one listens to him most of the time, and can snap a man's neck with his feet still bound.

He's the Jack Bauer of the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 24, 2007, 01:46:58 PM
Going by that intense close-up of the newspaper clipping, it looks like Jo-- Lantham of New York. I don't remember any characters being from New York off the top of my head.

And I agree about the Charlie scenes (nice correlations, JG and sparrow). He was never a character I particularly liked but he had some awesome, awesome scenes here (big kudos to Dominic Monaghan) and it was the best death of a major character yet. That look in his eyes when he shows his hand to Desmond, and the slow cross he forms on his head and shoulders. Powerful.

Also, Matthew Fox did an awesome job as usual. He managed to balance a character that's a likable leader but still not really sympathetic because of his seeming obsession with getting everyone off the island, and the flashforward scenes are all incredible, taking that more subtle obsessive quality that's been bubbling under the surface all along and making it palpable. The flashforward is great because it really does feel like a direct result of what's happening in the main storyline, for instance the transition of Jack's character, or the mistake made by calling the boat.

I'm thinking in some way they'll be playing with time in future episodes. Jack will find a way to reverse his decision next season, and then we'll see what should have happened and the island's story come to an end in the fifth season (is my guess). Perhaps all the electromagnetic shit/purple sky on the island will be involved. Being rescued and recovering in civilization certainly can't fill up 48 more episodes, at least.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 24, 2007, 04:42:12 PM
The point is we have no idea when that future was taking place... and if they got indeed rescued at that moment or maybe later on.

There are many island mysteries for them to leave the island. Now that Walt is back (or maybe he is not) maybe Michael will be back as well. The Jacob storyline is there, and a bunch of other things like the smoke monster and other Dharma-Others questions.

The amazing thing is that feeling, which reminded me of Castaway, of going back to the real world and not being able to understand things or adapt. Who knows that else happened to them in that time, but we have seen Jack in fucked up situations before, and he never was like this. He wanted to die, he wanted to go back at any cost. He says in the finale that he loves Kate, but then they are not together in the future.

My point is, there is enough on island and off island stuff for them to do 48 amazing episodes. The thing now is for us to wonder how it will go from here to the season premiere. Its a long way to go, but it will be amazing I'm sure. I loved the beginning of season 2, and season 3 was also excellent. So after a finale like this I will expect the next episode to be even more mind blowing.

The show got a lot better ratings last night, and I'm sure with everyone talking about the incredible finale a lot of people will catch up and tune back in next year.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: john on May 24, 2007, 05:42:43 PM
This is a damn fine show, highlighted by a very good season finale.

But this board cuts television shows a lot more slack than films. Maybe, collectively the interest here for television is more passive and not as passionate as it is for film.

Because Lost has degenerated numerous times into bullshit theatrics and soap opera tactics. Last night, while very good, still wasn't much of an exception.

I mean, I like it... it has some really elevated moments.

It just really seems like well made, superficial fun to me. Not bad by any regard, just not as weighty as it believes itself to be.

And Charlie's death, while nicely shot, seemed really forced.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 24, 2007, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: kal on May 24, 2007, 04:42:12 PM
Now that Walt is back (or maybe he is not) maybe Michael will be back as well. The Jacob storyline is there, and a bunch of other things like the smoke monster and other Dharma-Others questions.
I doubt it was Walt in the flesh. That wouldn't make sense, as he would have been with Locke in the final scene, or with Michael....or something. It was staged in such a way that it looked like an hallucination. I'm thinking Jacob (or the island) was talking to Locke in the form of Walt. Wasn't there a thing in the first season where Walt could hear voices and see the future? Also, the Others wanted Walt back when he was on the island. Sawyer even took care to bring that moment up when he shot Tommy. I think the Others wanted Walt for the same reason they wanted Locke, because they suspected he could converse/interact with Jacob (the island). So it makes sense to me at least that Jacob would use "Walt" as his messenger. Perhaps Shannon's run-in with Walt last season was also the same thing.  I dunno, just an idea.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 25, 2007, 02:08:50 AM
Quote from: sparrowhoff on May 24, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Sayid has seen combat, knows when people are lying, is not above torture as a means of getting people to tell the truth, ALWAYS knows what's going on but no one listens to him most of the time, and can snap a man's neck with his feet still bound.

He's the Jack Bauer of the island.

I remembered Jack Bauer at the beginning when Sayid is telling Jack not to come back. He said that he would give his life if it meant that they were getting rescued. But after he says that he says "do you understand me?". Thats classic Jack Bauer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 25, 2007, 02:50:05 AM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on May 24, 2007, 08:39:01 PMPerhaps Shannon's run-in with Walt last season was also the same thing.  I dunno, just an idea.
i think that's almost certainly what it was.

- when it went to jack sitting against the wall at the end, just then i was thinking oh my god this is the future and the brilliance was paralyzing.

- i think it would be incredible if the next season took place in the future and was about getting back and the reason for getting back was informed by flashbacks to the island/ultimate rescue. i don't think the standard coverage of events on the island will show it now that they're all together. and standard flashbacks are pretty much obsolete now that they've done this. really this is one of the most brilliant twists ever. they remain lost in the real world. the show can only end the moment both we and they aren't. or can it?

- for the first time ever i fully trust the people in charge of this. it's been difficult to trust such a thing ever since the matrix.

- i loved the locke gun-pointing at jack. you don't want jack to die but you just know he shouldn't answer the phone but you don't know why but he really shouldn't! it was a great moment for locke when he said "jack.." and lowered the gun too cause he's been bordering on monster for a while.

- if the guy in the casket is someone we haven't met, he's got a lot to live die up to.

- i've heard a theory that when they get back to the real world the present they remember has been altered in some way, which explains why jack's dad is alive and kate isn't a fugitive and (pure speculation) perhaps other things like hugo isn't rich.. good, yet unexplainable changes and they all know it's not their world. this might be what jack means by "I'm sick of lying!" and it would explain his addiction a little.

- i don't know why the "ahahwoo-oooooh ooh. yea yea yea yea ya"-music wasn't playing in hurley's van. aside from maybe killing the element of surprise. but it would've been an awesome addition throughout the whole scene. i might have to re-edit/youtube it.

- easily the best use of the phrase "through the looking glass" since the original.

- even though i can't wait 9 months, they couldn't have given everyone more to talk about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 25, 2007, 04:06:55 PM
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 25, 2007, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
that is incredible(y funny).  it will have a billion views in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 25, 2007, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
Very tarantino in its violence and music splicing together.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 25, 2007, 04:51:34 PM
WHO THE HELL IS JOHN LANTHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 25, 2007, 10:40:42 PM
hmm, michael?  maybe he was forced to change his identity upon leaving the island?  edit: hey now, a google search for john lantham led me to a wikipedia page for artist john latham..

either way, the fact that this episode will have us guessing for so long is awesome. 

Quote from: modage on May 25, 2007, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
that is incredible(y funny).  it will have a billion views in a few weeks.

yeah, this is really great. 

edit 2:  more on john latham from wikipedia. 

"Perhaps the culmination of Latham's fusion of art, science and sociology was the concept of Flat Time. In its most basic form, it is represented by a canvas attached at the top to a cylinder which rolls up and unrolls on an electric motor. The back of the canvas faces outwards so that the image is only visible along the cylinder at the point where it unrolls. This represents the present moment in passing time which can only be made sense of when related to what has already gone, the past, represented by the image on the back of the canvas."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 26, 2007, 06:33:19 AM
Quote from: pozer on May 25, 2007, 04:06:55 PM
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

So where did you read that?

EDIT: Never mind. (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 26, 2007, 08:04:43 AM
that must be michael who died. and is survived by his teenage son (walt?).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 27, 2007, 07:11:39 PM
Quote from: modage on May 25, 2007, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
that is incredible(y funny).  it will have a billion views in a few weeks.
UPDATE FROM YESTERDAY: #20 - Most Viewed (Today) - Autos & Vehicles - English

woo.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 31, 2007, 11:41:55 AM
"Lost: The Complete Third Season -- The Unexplored Experience" streets Dec. 11 on DVD and Blu-ray Disc. The 23-episode, seven-disc set comes with a one-on-one with star Matthew Fox, a featurette on "The Others," a documentary chronicling 24 hours in production and a selection of never-before-seen flashbacks. Also included are behind-the-scenes looks at 10 episodes, audio commentaries, deleted scenes and bloopers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on June 08, 2007, 11:36:52 PM
I heard that Harrold Perrinau (Michael) was considering an offer to return as series regular for S4.

Let the fucking S4 rumors begin while we fucking wait like idiots...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 13, 2007, 04:33:21 PM
Producers: 'Lost' won't end 'with a blackout'
Source: Hollywood Reporter

NEW YORK -- Even after Sunday's controversial conclusion to "The Sopranos," two "Lost" executive producers said Wednesday that they weren't planning a murky ending to their hit ABC drama.

"We will not be ending with a blackout," executive producer Carlton Cuse told an audience gathered in Midtown Manhattan for the second day of Promax/BDA's annual conference.

He and co-creator Damon Lindelof answered questions -- but not any of those questions -- and said that they do have an ending for the show that was fleshed out along with the last three seasons during a recently completed writers' "minicamp" before the start of production in August.

"Lost" will end in spring 2010 after 48 more hourlong episodes, 16 per season. Lindelof said "Lost" has to move from asking more questions to answering the questions posed during the series' run.

"Obviously, we can't wait to the 48th hour to say, 'Here are all the mysteries of the show,' " Lindelof said. But Cuse also noted the reality of the sometimes vociferous and heavily engaged viewership of the show, which uses the Web to advance theories and post explanations and even freeze-frames to parse further meaning.

"I'm not sure there is any ending that will satisfy everyone," Cuse said. "Our hope is that the ending will be ... the logical conclusion of the story."

Cuse said the first season was about the Oceanic Flight 815 survivors landing on the island and realizing they weren't going to get rescued. The second season was about the hatch, and the third season was about the Others.

"Next season, well, we'll talk about that later," Cuse said.

While "Lost" viewers will have to wait till next year to see the next TV episodes, Cuse and Lindelof said in the fall there will be a series of "Lost" mobisodes featuring the entire cast and rolling out first on Verizon Wireless and then probably appearing on ABC.com. They said they're keenly aware of the eight-month gap between last month's finale and the return of "Lost" at the beginning of next year.

"How do you keep the show alive in the minds of the audience in that time?" Cuse asked. They're also planning to go back to San Diego's Comic-Con International, where the show was launched, to address May's Season 3 finale and what they had in mind.

Cuse said the mobisodes, about 90 seconds each, will give the hardcore "Lost" viewer more information that they probably weren't going to get through the show itself. What it won't be, they said, was a mini version of "Lost."

"It needs to be interesting enough and well produced enough that people feel they're getting enough bang for their buck, even if it's free, the bang for their time," Lindelof said.

Lindelof said the negotiations for the talent took a long time, but they wanted to make sure that all of them were involved in the mobisodes.

"Nobody wanted to see two people sitting on a beach that we've never heard of talking and saying, 'Hey, did you hear what Jack and Kate did today?' You want to see Jack and Kate. It's taken us three years to get those deals in place," Lindelof said.

Cuse said that being a showrunner now is much different than it was 10 years ago. "You have to be more of a brand manager," he said. He said there are 37 ancillary parts to the "Lost" brand from T-shirts to mobile phone applications to a planned video game. It led to a discussion of several missteps, including the tie-in novel "Bad Twin" that Cuse said didn't meet their bar and the introduction of two previously unseen survivors, Nikki and Paulo.

The characters came out of "Lost" viewers' questions about why the show focused only on the same 12 characters and not the "socks," the unnamed survivors who provide the background around the camp. Cuse said "socks" comes from the term "sock puppets," which the writers call the extras.

"We're like, 'Trust us, you don't care about those guys,' " Lindelof joked.

They said they realized almost immediately that adding Nikki and Paulo was a mistake, even before the viewer outcry. Many of the scenes they shot would get cut on the editing room floor, not because of the actors but because they were concerned about how they fit into the story. Lindelof said that it was a lesson for the writers to stay true to the show's vision even if the viewers don't seem to like it.

"We buried them alive," Cuse said of Nikki and Paulo. "OK, you guys don't like Nikki and Paulo, there."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 25, 2007, 11:49:37 PM
Perrineau Returns to Lost
Source: Sci-Fi Wire

Harold Perrineau, who played Michael on ABC's Lost, will be returning to the series next season, network president Stephen McPherson reluctantly admitted on July 25 to reporters.

Pressed in a news conference at the Television Critics Association's summer press tour in Beverly Hills, Calif., McPherson admitted the casting after an emergency phone call to the show's executive producer and co-creator, Damon Lindelof. The announcement will also be made July 26 at Comic-Con International in San Diego.

"We just spoke to Damon because of the fury that is going on here, and he told us we could tell you that Harold Perrineau is returning to the show," McPherson said.

Perrineau played Michael Dawson from 2004 to 2006 on the show and was last seen taking his son, Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), and heading off to parts unknown in a small boat. (It's not clear whether Kelley will also return.)

McPherson said that Lindelof will make the announcement at Comic-Con. "The show has a long history with Comic-Con, and we made the decision that the announcement should be made there," he told the disgruntled critics. The network executive agreed to give away the big secret after the reporters grumbled.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on July 27, 2007, 08:45:10 AM
Pubrick, are you there?  Thoughts on season 3 please.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 27, 2007, 10:48:53 AM
The Lost Panel at Comic-Con!
Source: ComingSoon

"Lost" co-creator/executive producer Damon Lindelof and executive producer Carlton Cuse attended the San Diego Comic-Con on Thursday. A brand-new exclusive clip of Dharma footage was shown, coyly introduced as footage discovered in a Norway vault that has been restored to be shown first to the Comic-Con crowd. The video begins with the Dharma training video spokesman introducing Station Six, or The Orchid. He explains it is not a botanical research station and apologizes for the necessity to deceive family and colleagues. Holding up a rabbit marked as number 15, there is some kind of confusion and another bunny is suddenly in a cage above. There is a quick frame with text about "loves Jacob". The spokesman screams to turn off the camera. There is a subliminal upside-down image of someone riding a bicyicle. The video starts again with a second take, and the film melts away.

Here are the highlights from the presentation:

Damon Lindelof: Thanks to the fans, we've been given an ending to the show. There will be three more seasons of 16 episodes each. We're not going to be on until February of next year, that's the bad news. But we will be running straight, no re-runs.

Carlton Cuse: Now we know for certain that there are going to be 48 episodes left. We know exactly how much time we have to fill, which is really helping us as storytellers. Three seasons of 16 episodes is also good because unlike a show like "24" that resets every year we have all this carry-forward mythology. It's a very hard show to write and keep fresh, so it gives us more time to do our work and keep the show good.

Q: The violence in season 3 was really amped up. Please tell me that in the end we're not going to find out that The Others are the good guys.

Cuse: We wanted to make the season tell a complete story, the story this season was the story of The Others, with a beginning, middle and an end. We wanted a final conflict between the groups and that involved a body count. That's just the way the story unfolded.

Lindelof: I would argue though, that were you to go back and look at season 1, that more acts of violence that our guys committed against each other than the violence committed by the others against our guys. It's just that our guys are much prettier. When Sawyer is punching you in the face, you're kind of like, "More please. You're so attractive, do you want to take your shirt off and continue the beatings. When Picket or Friendly is beating you up it's like brutal violence, not the kind of violence we subscribe to. So we promise as the show moves forward, that violence will be perpetrated by catastrophically good looking people.

Q: Where's Michael?

Cuse: Probably most of you saw this, but it was announced yesterday at the television critic's meeting that Harold Perrineau will be back on the show.

Lindelof: This was kind of a bummer for us because we got spoiled. That was an announcement we were hoping to make at the con...

Cuse: We'd planned to announce that to you guys here, but we hadn't been aware that the other event was the day before Comic-Con, so the timing wasn't really in our brains. Harold will be returning.

Lindelof: But we won't be talking about how or when.

Q: Will there be any more flash forwards?

Cuse: The answer is yes. Going forward, the show is going to feature flashbacks and flash-forwards.

Lindelof: The question becomes how forward are we going to go? If you continue to watch the show you're going to be pleasantly surprised and we'll leave it at that.

Q: Did Ben get caught in Rousseau's trap on purpose?

Cuse: He got caught by accident.

Lindelof: We will be revealing why Ben was heading across the island when he accidentally got caught.

Q: Will the story stay on the island?

Cuse: Going forward, you're going to be seeing story in the past, present and future, in all three timezones. What you saw with Kate and Jack was not the end of the show.

Lindelof: We wanted to communicate to the audience that the show has never really been about getting off the island. People have been asking us all along, 'Is there going to be an After-Lost?", to see what their lives are like once they're rescued. We've been sitting on this knowledge that there's a whole chapter of the story that takes place off the island. But we couldn't start telling that until we could say that the show was going to end, because if you'd seen the Kate & Jack story as just another episode instead of "one less" episode, you probably would have thrown up your hands and said, "they're f-ing stalling!" But in the context of moving toward the end, we're saying come with us to the end. We're not wasting time.

Harold Perrineau comes out.

Lindelof: I know I speak for everyone on the show when I say how excited I am to have Harold come back. Harold is actually the first and only actor who's ever left the show and part of a design to have them come back. It was excruciating to keep our mouths shut for a season.

Harold Perrineau: And for me. And they've had more information than I had. I'm really excited to be back in Hawaii and hanging out with friends.

Cuse: Michael's story is one of the most compelling for us on the show. Here's a character who will do anything for his son, and took some very extreme actions. In a series that deals a lot with the power of this island to be redemptive, and what characters need to do to redeem themselves, we feel that Michael's foray is going to be really compelling next season.

Lindelof: We can confirm that Harold's not coming back for a quick pop. He is coming back to the series as a regular. He has rejoined the cast. We just won't tell you when, but it will be early in the fourth season. I think the way that we're doing it is going to be fairly awesome.

Q: What questions are we NOT asking that we should be asking?

Lindelof: That's kind of the Möbius loop of questions.

Cuse: Who's in the coffin?

Lindelof: Another question I would ask is, who's on that freighter out there, and what do they want out of the island?

Cuse: The other question I would ask which we're not going to answer is, Kate and Jack obviously got off the island. Did anyone else get off the island?

Lindelof: What about those skeletons from season 1? What about those guys?

Q: There has been speculation that Libby possibly worked for Dharma, will we have a flashback with her in the future?

Cuse: It is our intention to get to her story, and we think you'll be very happy when we do finish that.

Lindelof: You're not exactly barking up the wrong tree with your speculative online questioning.

Q: Will Rousseau be getting her own flashback soon?

Cuse: Yes, we're not sure if it will be next year or the year after.

Lindelof: Some very important things will be revealed in that story. Barring unforseen circumstances you'll be seeing that story in the next season or two.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on July 30, 2007, 03:36:16 AM
Quote from: JG on July 27, 2007, 08:45:10 AM
Pubrick, are you there?  Thoughts on season 3 please.   

good timing, it just ended last week.

unfortunately, i had a bad experience with the season finale and i don't think i'm ready to talk about it yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on July 30, 2007, 04:16:36 PM
you're turning into sphinx.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on July 31, 2007, 07:57:17 PM
i wonder if next year's schedule will mean that new zealand and australia will get to watch with us.  i don't really know how it works, but the more the merrier. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on July 31, 2007, 10:44:55 PM
so, i haven't started watching lost yet (when i move into my new apartment, my new roommates and i were all planning on starting it up), but i found this and didn't see it posted here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 08, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Has Mars been Lost?
Source: Moviehole

Imagine being stuck on a deserted island with Veronica Mars?

Man, I'd be burying the wood required to build a boat... deep.

According to TV Guide, Kristen Bell may be in talks to join the cast of the castaways caper, "Lost".

She would play a new character called Charlotte – who'll potentially stay-on full time (so long as she doesn't get busted for drink driving in Hawaii).

The character breakdown for Charlotte says:

Charlotte: Late 20s. Very attractive in a naturalistic, athletic way, her looks are only one small part of charms. Precocious, loquacious, and funny, Charlotte a very successful academic who also knows how to handle herself in the real world. On a personal level it is hard to crack the hard shell of poise and certainty around her, but when it DOES crack its like an egg; lots of repressed and pent up emotions spill out. (Starts with Episode #402 - August 29, 2007 in Hawaii). RECURRING ARC WITH A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR SERIES REGULAR FOR NEXT SEASON.

Sounds like spot-on casting, and so long as someone with a bigger name – say anyone connected to "Friends" – doesn't come in and swoop up the gig, we might see Neptune's spunkiest spy back on duty shortly.

Whoever they cast will be flown to Hawaii pronto – their first episode films in less than a fortnight.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 08, 2007, 01:54:52 AM
That is the best news I've heard in my life... unbelievable!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on August 08, 2007, 08:23:21 AM
wow, seriously.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on August 08, 2007, 10:41:45 AM
Yippeeeee...sorry for the giddiness but fuck it...yipeeee!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on August 08, 2007, 11:35:55 AM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 08, 2007, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: A Matter Of Chance on August 08, 2007, 11:35:55 AM
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wow, suzanne somers joined the cast too??!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 11, 2007, 10:27:03 AM
Official... its NOT happening.

She rejected the offer cause she doesnt want to relocate to Hawaii. Damnit :(

It was too good to be true!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stefen on August 12, 2007, 12:29:58 PM
lol
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 19, 2007, 02:28:07 PM
Sopranos Scene-Stealer Gets Lost!

Uncle Junior's poker buddy just hit the jackpot.

Ken Leung – whose memorable turn as Uncle Junior's mentally unstable protégé on The Sopranos last season turned many a head in Hollywood (mine included) – is joining the cast of Lost next season, sources confirm to me exclusively.

It's believed Leung will be playing the recurring role of Russell*, a brilliant mathematician who is capable of great insights and has a tremendous knowledge across various scientific fields. He's expected to first turn up in February's season premiere.

Non-Sopranos fans may know Leung from his role as Kid Omega in Brett Ratner's franchise killer, X-Men: The Last Stand.

* May not be the character's real name.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on August 19, 2007, 10:35:19 PM
Quote from: kal on August 11, 2007, 10:27:03 AM
Official... its NOT happening.

She rejected the offer cause she doesnt want to relocate to Hawaii. Damnit :(

It was too good to be true!


this sucks for 2 reasons. 

1. she was already in hawaii filming Forgetting Sarah Marshall

and 2. she just joined Heroes for a mulit-episode arc instead.

damnit!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 19, 2007, 10:48:26 PM
no it's good. i would hate for Lost to suddenly become overrated.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 22, 2007, 12:02:36 AM
Lost has found more new blood.

Sources confirm that The Wire's Lance Reddick has been cast in the recurring role of Arthur Stevens, the intimidating corporate recruitor character. Reddick also had a lengthy arc on HBO's Oz, where he starred opposite returning Lostie Harold Perrineau.

This comes on the heels of another key piece of Lost casting: the addition of Sopranos scene-stealer Ken Leung. However, the specifics of his character remain shrounded in mystery. Rumors had him playing a brilliant mathematician named Russell, but now there's buzz that he's coming on in a top-secret role that no one (save for Darlton) knows anything about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on August 22, 2007, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: kal on August 22, 2007, 12:02:36 AMSopranos scene-stealer Ken Leung
augh this guy belongs in the annoying actors thread. i could totally see him on lost though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 23, 2007, 01:10:51 AM
Exclusive! Meet Your New Lost Castmembers!
Source: E! Online

We're hearing that creepmaster Jeremy Davies (Saving Private Ryan) is doing eight eps of Lost this season, and one Rebecca Mader will have a major recurring role as well...perhaps as the much discussed Charlotte? More as we hear it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 28, 2007, 05:20:46 PM
'Lost' Scoop: Jeff Fahey Joins Cast
The star of the cult flick ''The Lawnmower Man,'' most recently seen in ''Grindhouse,'' has ''exactly the right sensibilities'' for the island, say Lindelof and Cuse
Source: EW

The new season of Lost is still over five months away (arrrrggggh!!!), but shooting on the first episode is underway, and the show's five new cast members are officially in place. Yes, we said five: Executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse tell EW.com that Jeff Fahey — a cult-pop fave most famous for The Lawnmower Man and most recently seen in Grindhouse — has been added to the show, joining previously announced newcomers Jeremy Davies (Saving Private Ryan), Lance Reddick (The Wire), Ken Leung (The Sopranos), and British actress Rebecca Mader (The Devil Wears Prada, Love Monkey).

The producers wouldn't comment on the character that Fahey will be playing, but said he was the first and only choice for the role. ''The Lawnmower Man and [the 1995 TV series] The Marshall are personal faves,'' says Cuse. ''And he has the most intense eyes of any guy out there, and I say that as a non-gay man.'' Adds Lindelof: ''Fahey is one of those actors who feels like he fits into the Lost model: He's enormously talented and will be vaguely recognizable to some people, but he'll be able to land on our island without most people going, 'Oh, I know who that guy is.' And especially for the part we cast him for, he has exactly the right sensibilities.''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 16, 2007, 09:17:55 PM
"Lost" star Terry O'Quinn takes early Emmy

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - "Lost" co-star Terry O'Quinn was named best supporting actor in a drama at the Emmys on Sunday, as the U.S. television industry opened an awards gala expected to shape up as a farewell bash for "The Sopranos."

The bald-pated actor won the award on his second nomination for his role as the heroic John Locke, who mysteriously regains use of his legs on ABC's hit castaway thriller. He edged out a field of nominees that included Michael Imperioli, who portrays a sociopathic mob lieutenant on the "Sopranos."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 20, 2007, 06:00:51 PM
Lost resurrects Libby!

OK, so technically, the ABC hit isn't bringing Cynthia Watros' short-lived character back from the dead. But Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse confirms to me exclusively that the actress will be playing Hurley's dearly departed sweetheart again this season for multiple episodes, presumably in more flashbacks.

"She'll be in enough of the show for us to fill in the missing pieces of her story," says Cuse. "We could not be more pleased. Cynthia is a smart and engaging actor, and [executive producer] Damon [Lindelof] and I have some very cool parts of her story left to tell."

It's by pure chance that Emmy winner Watros was even available for the return engagement: Her fall pilot, The Rich Inner Life of Penelope Cloud, wasn't picked up, which left a spot open on her dance card.

Libby Theory: http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-theories/lost-theory-the-libby-factor.php
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on September 30, 2007, 02:42:36 PM
lost season 3 dvd - blooper reel (spoilers!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cfWCh9evM
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on September 30, 2007, 03:24:57 PM
Michael Emerson gives me the creeps, even when he's laughing  :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 01, 2007, 01:14:39 AM
Lost Season-Four Spoilers Leaked

Producers of ABC's Lost offered SCI FI Wire a few spoilers for the upcoming fourth season and said that more questions will be answered and more flashbacks and flash-forwards likely when the show returns early next year.

Executive producer and co-creator Damon Lindelof said the fourth season will continue "to answer and ask a lot of questions." But, he added, "season four is going to be a whole new show in a lot of ways. We're really excited with what we're doing and hope that it'll offer as many surprises as the finale did."

Among the spoilers Lindelof revealed: "Michael [Harold Perrineau] is coming back. Definitely. As for Walt [Michael's young son, played by Malcolm David Kelley], we've always known Malcolm was going to grow faster than we could shoot the show. And we planned for it. Trust us. Please trust us."

The show's producers have already figured out what they will do with the mysterious character of Jacob, who was introduced at the end of season three. Picking his words carefully, executive producer Carlton Cuse said, "Yes, we do know how Jacob will be depicted. Notice the careful wording of my answer. And no, Jacob did not appear before he was met by Locke." Cuse also declined to say whether an actor had been chosen to portray the character.

Flashbacks will continue to explain the backgrounds of some of the characters, but there will also be glimpses into the future, the producers said. (In the season finale, viewers saw what appeared to be a flash-florward to Jack [Matthew Fox] and Kate [Evangeline Lilly] after they had been rescued from the island.)

The producers said that it is inevitable that the time-bending story of Lost will continue to use both looks backward and forward. "It's absolutely inevitable, not to migrate completely away from flashbacks, but at least to find a new paradigm for storytelling that changed up the nature of the show," Cuse said. "Moving forwards, you'll get a mix. Every week will hopefully be a guessing game as to not just WHO will be focused on, but WHEN we're focusing on them. Flash-forwards will be a part of season four, yes."

The reverberations of the death of Charlie Hieronymus Pace, played by Lord of the Rings's Dominic Monaghan, at the end of the last season will inevitably continue at the beginning of season four. "The reverberation of that death echoes right into the premiere of season four," Lindelof said.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 01, 2007, 03:12:08 PM
Only 7 years to go until the Season 4 Premiere... thanks for making me pee my pants again. I hate this fuckers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 02, 2007, 01:28:07 AM
Lost Listens To Fans?

Producers of ABC's SF series Lost told SCI FI Wire that they are heeding the feedback from fans, some of whom have fallen away from the once-smoking-hot series.

In an exclusive Internet interview to promote the upcoming season-three DVD release on Dec. 11, executive producer Carlton Cuse said producers have made decisions on which characters to highlight based in part on fan feedback.

"People asked questions about the other characters on the beach," Cuse said. "Are we ever going to learn anything about them?" In response, the writers expanded the storylines of Nikki Fernandez and Paulo (played by Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro). "But once we did it, people were angry that we were taking time away from our main characters and giving it to Nikki and Paulo, so we listened to the fans and decided to bury them alive," Cuse added.

As for the upcoming fourth season, Cuse remained coy when asked about what fan ideas they're heeding. "Yes," Cuse said. "Got any?"

The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 04, 2007, 02:30:30 AM
Lost Writers Eye The End

Producers of ABC's Lost told SCI FI Wire they know how the show will end, though the series finale won't happen until 2010. The producers even know what the final shot will look like, they said in interviews.

Co-creator and executive producer Damon Lindelof said that the writers will be working toward the end of the series over the next two years. "We always knew the ending," he said. "We just didn't know how much time to take before we got there. So, yes, it still completely fits with where we're at in the storytelling right now."

Lost will become more focused because the end is in sight, the producers added. "With 48 episodes to go, it's exciting to be working towards an endpoint we're already familiar with," Lindelof said.

During a press conference for the release of the Lost season-three DVD set on Dec. 11, executive producer Carlton Cuse said that the show will be using flash-forward scenes, but warned cryptically that "it would be wrong to think that the flash-forward you saw is the end of the series." Viewers got their first glimpse at a possible future in the third-season finale last spring.

Cuse added that he already has the final image of the series in mind. "Yes, we do know what the last image of the show is," Cuse said. "And it won't be a black screen!" he added, alluding to the controversial cut that ended HBO's The Sopranos. The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2007, 12:16:17 AM
Voice cast: 'Lost' calls for Stevens
Source: Hollywood Reporter

The mysterious Minkowski, whose voice was heard on the other side of the satellite phone found by the "Lost" gang, now has a face as Fisher Stevens has been tapped to play the role on the ABC/ABC Studios series.

Stevens will recur as Minkowski on "Lost." The character, which was referenced several times toward the end of last season, was only heard talking to Jack (Matthew Fox) on the phone and told the survivors in the third-season finale in May that they will be rescued.

In the "Lost" fan blogosphere, the name of the character has been tied to German mathematician Hermann Minkowski, whose Minkowski space -- a four-dimensional system including the three dimensions of space plus the dimension of time -- was used in Einstein's theory of special relativity.

Stevens, who recently co-directed the critically praised documentary, "Crazy Love," is repped by Fortitude and the Collective.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 25, 2007, 06:53:43 PM
Kiwi stuntwoman Zoe Bell's acting career is rocketing ahead with a role in the hit television series Lost.

Bell, who grew up on Waiheke Island, makes her acting debut playing herself in the Quentin Tarantino movie Death Proof, which is to open in New Zealand on November 8.

Bell said from Los Angeles yesterday that her next project was in Hawaii filming episodes of Lost, starting next week.

The series, now in its fourth season, follows a group of passengers marooned on a mysterious island after their plane crashes.

Bell described it as "a little acting role" that would involve some stunt work.

She also has two upcoming action movie projects in which she has the lead role.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 25, 2007, 11:59:20 PM
'Lost' actor Daniel Dae Kim arrested

Actor Daniel Dae Kim was arrested on suspicion of drunken driving early Thursday by Honolulu police — the fourth actor on ABC's "Lost" to run into trouble with the law while filming in Hawaii.

Kim, who plays Korean tough guy Jin-Soo Kwon, was taken into custody before 3 a.m. local time and released after posting bail, police said.

A telephone message left with Kim's publicist after regular business hours was not immediately returned.

Other "Lost" stars facing problems with the police in Hawaii include Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros, whose characters were killed off in 2005 after they both were arrested and pleaded guilty to drunken driving.

Rodriguez, who played Ana Lucia, was sentenced to five days in jail and $357 in fines. Watros, who played Libby on the show, had her license suspended for 90 days and paid a $312 fine.

A year ago, Adewale Akinnuoye Agbaje, the actor who played "Mr. Eko," was arrested for a traffic violation and accused of disobeying a police officer and driving without a license. The charges were dropped, but his character also was killed off.

Kim, 38, was born in Busan, South Korea, but grew up in Easton, Pa., and has a masters degree from New York University.

On the show, he portrayed a chauvinistic thug who at first was overly protective of his wife, but then began to warm up to other characters on the mysterious island where "Lost" is set.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on November 07, 2007, 05:24:51 PM
uh oh, someone asked for a raise!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 08, 2007, 06:09:22 PM
Strike Splits Lost Season

With the airwaves likely to be dominated by reality programming and reruns in the months ahead, Lost fans still have something to look forward to.

In the wake of Fox's decision to postpone the seventh season of 24 indefinitely, ABC has taken the opposite tack and decided to air the eight episodes of the castaway drama that were completed before the writers' strike, show runner Damon Lindelof said Wednesday.

But don't expect too much resolution before the series goes dark once again—the final episode, Lindelof said, will end in a cliffhanger that won't be resolved until the strike concludes.

"It's as much of a conclusion as, say, Ana-Lucia and Libby getting shot," Lindelof told E! Online TV columnist Kristin Dos Santos.

"An eight-episode season is an incomplete season, and I am not going to try to spin it any other way."

After wrapping up its third season in May, Lost was slated to return to the air with an uninterrupted, rerun-free 16-episode stretch, but obviously the strike has thrown a wrench into that scenario.

"I can't look the fans in the eye and tell them we're executing the original plan anymore," Lindelof said, adding that the storyline will likely have to be tweaked to accommodate the change in schedule.

The partial season is expected to kick off in February.

With the strike in its fourth day, networks now look likely to run out of fresh programming far sooner than anticipated, with most shows expected to be forced into reruns by Thanksgiving.

The networks had initially estimated that a backlog of finished scripts and completed episodes would keep most shows on the air into early 2008.

However, with many show runners refusing to cover nonwriting tasks on their series, including casting, editing and directing, production has stalled entirely on a number of prominent shows.

"When we're off the job, pretty much everything stops," Desperate Housewives creator Marc Cherry told the Los Angeles Times Wednesday.

Stars continued to turn out to show their support for the writers, with Ray Romano and the casts of shows including Ugly Betty and General Hospital taking their turns on the picket lines in L.A. Thursday. Robin Williams, David Duchovny, Julianne Moore, Tim Robbins, Roseanne Barr, Holly Hunter and David Hyde Pierce were spotted New York.

Meanwhile, speaking out in opposition of the strike Wednesday, former Disney chief Michael Eisner called the protests "insanity" and "too stupid" while warning writers they were giving up real income in the hopes of securing digital revenue that studios do not yet have.

"For a writer to give up today's money for a nonexistent piece of the future, they are misguided, they should not have gone on the strike," Eisner said at the Dow Jones/Nielsen Media and Money conference in New York. "I've seen stupid strikes, I've seen less stupid strikes, and this strike is just a stupid strike."

With no new talks between the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers on the horizon, Industry watchers now fear the strike is likely to continue well into 2008.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 06, 2007, 12:42:35 AM
Lost Deaths Necessary
Source: Sci-Fi Wire

Producers of ABC's Lost told reporters that they did a lot of soul-searching before they killed off characters at the end of the third season to pave the way for the upcoming fourth.

"This year was about the Others," co-executive producer Carlton Cuse said in a news conference. "The ending of the show we felt had to resolve the story of the Others. We promised a showdown. That showdown had profound consequences on both sides."

Damon Lindelof, the show's co-creator and producer, said the character of Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) was the hardest for him to accept. "It was incredibly hard to say goodbye to Charlie," he said. "We really felt the season needed to end with the loss of one of the major characters and began setting it up very early in the year. Charlie's sacrifice was brutal for us to write, and Dom's performance made it particularly brutal to watch. The reverberation of that death echoes right into the premiere of season four."

Less difficult to lose were Nikki Fernandez (Kiele Sanchez) and Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro), who were buried alive in the middle of the third season. They were introduced at the beginning of the third season because "people asked questions about the other characters on the beach," Cuse said. "Are we ever going to learn anything about them? So we decided to bring Nikki and Paulo out of the chorus. But once we did it, people were angry that we were taking time away from out main characters and giving it to Nikki and Paulo, so we listened to the fans and decided to bury them alive."

The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008. The DVD of the third season hits retailers on Dec. 11.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on December 06, 2007, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: damon lindelof
"so we listened to the fans and decided to bury them alive."

if only they could bury Tim Kring alive..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 08, 2007, 12:39:11 AM
Lost Answers Offered
Source: SciFi Wire

The producers of Lost offered up a few answers behind the mysteries in season three and a few hints about the upcoming fourth season. The third season drops on DVD on Dec. 11.

Executive producer Carlton Cuse admitted that the people who were on the jet that crashed into the island all have to pay a price for being there. "Yes, and that price is $3.95," he kidded. "In seriousness, the show is about redemption. All the characters on this island are confronting the failures of their past and revisiting issues that go to the core of their emotional makeup."

Cuse also 'fessed up about the person in the coffin seen at the very end of season three. Was it someone we've seen before? "Yes," he said without elaboration.

Damon Lindelof, a co-creator and producer, was asked about why the expectations set up for the return of young Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) never seemed to materialize in the third season. Will he be seen again? "Oh, you'll see him again. But you're going to have to be patient. Sorry."

Fans first complained that not enough answers were revealed in the first half of the split-up season, but Cuse said, "We think the balance at the end of the season was right. We see each season of the show like a book. The answers were essential for this book of the show to feel complete."

One of the pressing questions by hardcore fans is how many days the survivors have been on the island. Lindelof said, "By the end of season three, the survivors have still been on the island for less than a hundred days ... but don't forget that you may be jumping into the future next year, so anything goes!"

The space-and-time-travel element was explained when the creators nailed down an end-time for the series. "When ABC/Disney allowed us to end the show in 48 more episodes, it was time to begin a new modality of storytelling, which includes flash-forwards," Cused said. "The show is like a mosaic. There are tiles in the present, in the past and now in the future as well. When all the tiles are in place, the story of Lost will be complete."

The third season seems to push Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Jack (Matthew Fox) even further apart and more toward Sawyer (Josh Holloway), but the last episode muddied the waters a bit. Cuse teased, "The Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is something that will go on for a long time. And who says they don't have a chance?"

The creators don't think of their characters as ambiguous when it comes to good and evil, specifically Ben (Michael Emerson) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn). "We would use the word complex," Cuse said. "We are interested in exploring how good and evil can be embodied in the same characters and the struggles we all have to overcome the dark parts of our souls."

The unveiling of Jacob, the mysterious leader of the Others, didn't necessarily satisfy questions in season three. "If you felt the unveiling of Jacob provided answers, you are probably in the minority! We felt it was important to introduce Jacob as more than just a name at this point, as he will become important downstream," Cuse said. The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 12, 2007, 02:03:34 PM
Season 4 trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdfL7tejkc
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 14, 2007, 04:53:13 PM
'Lost' returns: Half empty or half full?

TV viewers will begin the new year without Jack Bauer, but they will spend at least two months with their favorite castaways.

Soon after the strike began, Fox announced it would indefinitely postpone the midseason premiere of its Emmy-winning drama "24" to protect the integrity of its time-stamped story line.

Today, ABC announced it was moving ahead with plans to air "Lost" but, in a surprise move, will do so in the "Grey's Anatomy" Thursday night time slot, beginning Jan. 31. This is the third time-slot move for "Lost" in four seasons and the first time it will not air on Wednesday nights, even though doing so means possibly cutting the season in two halves and potentially alienating more viewers. 

Both "Lost" and "24" have done better in the ratings when the networks air episodes without interruption in the scheduling. To that end, ABC, in a highly unconventional move in May, announced that "Lost," the series that helped lift the network out of last place, would have three more seasons of 16 uninterrupted episodes each, airing from February to May each year.

The decision came after a tumultuous year for the series, after ABC aired its third season in two parts — six episodes in the fall and 16 in midseason — and the size of its audience declined by 14%. When the show returned in midseason, it picked up momentum, convincing ABC executives that Losties, as the show's fans call themselves, prefer their show to have a straight run.

But the strike has altered those plans. Instead of shelving the series a la "24," ABC is taking the chance of possibly having to air the series in two parts because the producers completed only eight episodes before the strike began. But giving it the slot occupied by "Grey's Anatomy," which has run out of original episodes because of the strike, could give it a boost. "Lost" will also serve as the lead-in for a new ABC drama, "Eli Stone," starring Jonny Lee Miller. 

"Lost" executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof could not be reached on Friday. But in an interview last month, Cuse said they both hoped the network would hold out.

"This is a very tough dilemma," Cuse said. "The lesson last year was six episodes was an exercise in frustration. I think eight episodes would only be slightly less so. We hope that when the show airs, all 16 would air consecutively. That's the way we've designed our season and that is our hope."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 16, 2007, 12:41:41 AM
'Lost' fans: Look out for that cliffhanger!

Okay Losties, here's what "Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof has to say about the move to Thursday night: It's a boost for the mysterious castaways because it guarantees that they will not have to face off against the "American Idol" machine and it also protects them from going head-to-head with original episodes of "CSI" as long as the strike continues.

"I think it's awesome," Lindelof said. "If they had told us last year we were going to get the 'Grey's Anatomy' time slot, I would have been thrilled, especially since there's no new 'CSI' to go against," he said. "But the time slot is completely colored by the fact that we're still engaged in this writers strike. It's bad for the entire town. The only show you don't want to be up against in January is 'American Idol,' and there were very few time slots that would afford us to not compete with 'Idol.' It's great to not be up against 'Idol' but [it's a shame] that we're not up against 'Idol' because there's a writers strike."

"Lost" performs better in the ratings when the networks air episodes without interruption in the scheduling. Lindelof and Executive Producer Carlton Cuse designed the new season as a 16-episode arc and were hoping the strike would be resolved in time for ABC to be able to air the season without interruption. But with the end of the strike increasingly uncertain, Lindelof said Friday that ABC felt it had no choice but to go ahead.

"What I would not want to do is hold these episodes of 'Lost' indefinitely," he said. "I feel like the fans haven't seen any 'Lost' since the end of May, and I completely understand the network's decision to air these eight episodes. We certainly designed our season as 16 straight and this is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. But we can't go on strike in one breath and then complain about the fact that the series isn't airing the way we want it to in the other. I believe in the strike and why we're on strike, so that supersedes what my preference is for the ideal way for the show to end."

Because of complaints from fans last year that the show poses more questions than it answers, the writers learned to wrap up their seasons more conclusively, Cuse said. To that end, they designed the first half of the fourth season as set-up and the second as pay-off.

"The audience just needs to be warned," Cuse said. "There's a very cool cliffhanger at the end of the eighth episode. But most of the major questions were designed to get answered at the second half of the season. The whole idea that we're actually looking forward as well as looking back is something we're very excited about as storytellers. But there is a fear that if the strike continues and we're not able to complete the season, that people might feel a little frustrated because those eight episodes aren't conclusive."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on December 18, 2007, 07:00:28 PM
S4 bigger better trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irEAuBdhRN0&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=3616053&moduleid=14159&auth_token=sessionless:1198022400:embedcontent:3616053iurl=http://img.youtube.com/vi/irEAuBdhRN0/default.jpg)

WE HAVE TO GHO BHAAAAAAACFDKJ


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on December 19, 2007, 12:34:06 AM
alright, it goes without saying but i'm finally venting it: i can't WAIT to see this again. i'm in major LOST withdrawl.

spoilers if you havn't seen the ending of last season and plan to

that bullshit trailer reminded me how amazing kate looked in the last flashforward. and the f*ing PERFECTION of the new structure. maybe it's time i told the story of my near death season finale experience.

my dad spoiled it for me. it's a tradition that me and him hav that we watch lost together. since the beginning. i don't know anyone else who loves it as much as me. and the thing is i dont' think he even gets half the stuff that's going on cos his english isn't perfect. so in explaining some stuff it helps to clear it up in my own mind. the problem was he had taped the episode, and when i was watching it for the first time, it was his second. cut to the last episode of season 3:

the scene on the bridge, jack's in the car and he's making a phone call to someone. he's crying. he says "..ng-hey, i need to see you". his nose is runny cos of the crying, and makes him speak really nasally. THIS IS IMPORTANT. then he gets out and is about to jump and you know the rest. WELL.. at this point, i'm watching it with my old man and i'm thinking out loud as usual. "why the fuck is he crying, who's he calling?? that's quite a beard.." and then at this point we're at Ground Zero Time (GZT) that is the island. and my dad goes "it's cos of her!" referring to KATE. the implication spoils the whole thing, jack and kate did NOT know each other in the past. this was the future.

ok. dudes. as you know, the episode is structured so that we THINK the future stuff is all flashback of a period we havn't seen before, and that the person he's going to meet by the airport is his ex wife, cos she turned up at the hospital and all that. any suspicions are then confirmed in the beeeeautiful moment where kate emerges from the shadows in all her blue porcelain ghostlyness. well my dad had pretty much spoiled the whole thing from the first scene. BUT not cos he had seen the ending and figured it all out then. he thought it was revealed from the start cos when jack said "ng-hey", dad thought he said KATE.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

well anyway. the greatest possible revelation of any season finale i've ever seen in my entire life was ruined. i would never hav thought it was in the future. dad only realised later that yeah that would be STUPID for them to reveal it in the first scene since the whole episode is structured to blow your mind in the last scene.

i wish i could go back. please tell me the revelation was not as amazing as i imagine it musta been for the unspoiled. because i honestly believe there will never be a greater EVOLUTIONARY MOMENT in television as long as i live. this was the moon landing. and i missed it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on December 19, 2007, 01:08:22 AM
season 3 end spoils

Quote from: picolas on May 25, 2007, 02:50:05 AM
- when it went to jack sitting against the wall at the end, just then i was thinking oh my god this is the future and the brilliance was paralyzing.

...

- easily the best use of the phrase "through the looking glass" since the original.
i basked in its genius despite figuring it out before the show 'wanted' me to, but the whole ep was like a spoiler we were meant to read.

and even if you can't let yourself believe you got the rush of awesomeness there's still three more finales. one of which will be the final finale. but i think you got it. maybe not like FFWSSHWAAA but that's just a momentary thing. you clearly grasp how big it is. "we have to gho bhaaack!" is easily my favourite moment in the show for all the reasons you list/didn't miss.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on December 19, 2007, 01:24:58 AM
p, you're bringing it all back for me..

first thing: watching lost with dad is a thing for me too! i once almost made a top 5 list of 'things to do with your dad' in our top 5 thread, and watching lost with dad was going to be on there (or did i make that post?)..

anyways, it was spoiled for me.  i only have myself (and my friend) to blame.  it was a stupid decision that was the culmination of a boring, uninteresting story. 

i too wonder what could've been.  i didn't get to watch it w/ my dad but i asked him what he thought about it the day after, and he didn't get it at all. i had to explain it to him! 

thoughts on season 3 in general, p?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on December 19, 2007, 07:57:08 AM
i welled up with tears during the fucking commercial. 

WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on December 19, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
hey is that the asian doctor from knocked up in that trailer?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 19, 2007, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: JG on December 19, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
hey is that the asian doctor from knocked up in that trailer?

Are you talking about the guy that says, "You wanna know why we're here? I'll tell you why we're here" at the 1:06 mark? Because that's:

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6799.msg248443#msg248443
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 19, 2007, 10:57:48 AM
The first time I clicked on that link, it took me right to Kristen Bell's underwear. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on December 19, 2007, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on December 19, 2007, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: JG on December 19, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
hey is that the asian doctor from knocked up in that trailer?

Are you talking about the guy that says, "You wanna know why we're here? I'll tell you why we're here" at the 1:06 mark? Because that's:

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6799.msg248443#msg248443

oh you know what i recognized him from?  the squid and the whale.  haha dude looks nothing like the knocked up asian dude.  i was putting ken leung's face on that doctor's body. 

looks like they got a pretty good cast together for the other others. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 19, 2007, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: modage on December 19, 2007, 07:57:08 AM
i welled up with tears during the fucking commercial. 

WE HAVE TO GO BACK.

I got kind of drunk, just enough to be hyper emotional. And someone said paralysis earlier. It was just like that, I was crying because I was sort of drunk, and couldn't move because it was the most brilliant television I had ever witnessed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on December 21, 2007, 03:19:48 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 04, 2008, 11:21:37 AM
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'Lost': Matthew Fox Flash Forwards to Season 4
In an extended Q&A, Dr. Jack spills secrets, talks about what went right (that amazing finale) and wrong (Nikki and Paulo) last year, and looks ahead to his movie work in ''Vantage Point'' and ''Speed Racer''
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Seven and a half months later, we're still picking brain matter off the wall. There we were, innocently watching Lost's season 3 finale on May 23, trying to figure out the direction of the flashback sequence in which Dr. Jack Shephard (Matthew Fox) had become an oxycodone addict/Grizzly Adams look-alike, when suddenly...WTF?! This is a flash-forward?! He and Kate (Evangeline Lilly) are both off the island?! Wait...now he wants to go back? This stunning episode — in which Jack led the castaways to near rescue (or not, depending on those freighter folks), and Dominic Monaghan's Charlie embraced his watery fate — represented a return to glory for ABC's acclaimed island drama, which had left critics and fans disgruntled earlier in the season. It also marked another potent acting performance by Fox, 41, who's served as a Lost leader, on screen and off, ever since Flight 815 crashed in 2004. ''I felt, and heard many other cast members say, that the show had hit a new plateau — and that Matthew in particular had gone there with it,'' says Michael Emerson, who plays Jack's eerie nemesis, Ben.

During a strike-created break from shooting season 4 — eight episodes were completed before the shutdown — we caught up with Fox (who also stars in next month's political thriller Vantage Point) near his Manhattan Beach, Calif., home. He looked back at the finale as well as the producers' decision to end Lost for good after 48 more episodes, and even offered us a peek into the future before the series returns on Jan. 31 (now on Thursdays at 9 p.m. — set those DVRs!). ''I think the show's going to be better in its last three seasons than it was in the first three,'' he notes, adding, ''There's going to be some huge mind-blowing s---.'' You heard the man: Helmets on.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: What was your first reaction to the big twist in the season finale?
MATTHEW FOX: Something like ''Holy s---!'' It really caught me off guard. I'm not sure I ever thought that people were going to get off the island.... Damon [Lindelof, who co-wrote the finale with fellow exec producer Carlton Cuse] did such an amazing job of orchestrating something that when you're looking at it for the first time it feels like a flashback, but there'd be little things that are a little odd — like why Jack seems so ridiculously messed up. You think it's in relationship to his marriage falling apart, and then boom, you go, ''Oh, my God, this is a leap forward in time. What does that mean? Why is he suicidal?'' I just think that's great.

How hard was it to keep the big twist a secret?
I was walking around with the cat-that-ate-the-canary look on my face. And when I would get questioned on it, I would say, ''I can't say anything, but, man, I can't wait for you to find out.'' Even a lot of the crew didn't know. When the scripts went out, the last scene of the episode was missing. So when we started shooting, the crew was just like, ''Oh my God!''

Did you guys shoot any decoy endings?
We didn't, for that. But that has been done, which I just recently discovered.

Do you mean for last season or this one?
This one coming up. I wasn't part of that particular scene. I thought I knew what was going on in the scene, and then found out that I didn't.

Fans have been analyzing this Jack line from the flash-forward: ''You get my father down here.... And if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me.'' Given that his dad is dead, what was your take on that?
He was so loaded and emotionally distraught that he talks about his father as if he's still alive. I called Damon on it, and he gave me a couple stories — actual accounts of people whose very close relative [died], and in a moment of being really f---ed up, talked about them as if they did not know they were not alive. In that moment, Jack is losing track of any concept of time. I knew that there was a way to look at it and go, ''Well, that's kind of manipulative.'' But when you [realize], ''Oh, it's in the future,'' you can believe that the man — years after his father has actually passed away — says that about his father in that moment. I totally buy it.

What is Jack referring to when he says to Kate: ''I'm sick of lying. We made a mistake''?
Jack and the other people, upon getting back to the world, are not being honest with the world. They are covering up [something]. That's an agreement that they've all reached. And it's a weird, gross little bond that they have with each other. They don't see each other much, but when they see each other, it's incredibly awkward. And this lie — you can cut it with a knife amongst them.

Now that we know Jack and Kate have made it off the island, has some of the death scare been taken off them?
There's no question. People are like, ''Well, it's not going to be Jack or Kate for a while.'' We have to get from the island to that point in the future before it can become a real threat again. But it can become a threat again — and it will. When Jack Shephard goes, ''We have to go back,'' that means he's f---ing going back. And if there's 48 episodes [remaining], you know that Jack is going back on that island for a certain section of episodes. That means that he could die.

With the new flash-forward device, does the guessing game become ''Who else is getting off the island?'' instead of ''Who's dying next?''
That's the question for the first part of this year, for sure. Jack gets people off that island, [and] suddenly he and the other people are very well-known — it becomes this massive story because everybody thought that every person on this plane was lost.... Who are they? What is everybody else doing? Jack's mission was to get all of them off. It's the overriding force behind him. So, the fact that he ends up getting off and doesn't get that accomplished — I'm very curious to find out how that all goes down. And part of that is going to be part of the reason why he wanted to jump off the bridge in the future.... If I start giving you words about what I think it's really about, I'm going to be honing in on some stuff that I'm not sure I'm authorized to talk about. A truck might pull up and a bunch of dudes in suits get out and mow us down with Uzis. [Laughs] Seriously.

How soon into season 4 do we learn who was in the casket?
It hasn't been revealed yet. I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I'm not 100 percent sure. I remember saying to Damon, ''I can play that scene without knowing.'' But I wanted to know. And I got an answer. I'm not sure that the answer that I got will end up being who's in the casket.

This season supposedly deals with time travel and other supernatural elements. Is that accurate, and, if so, are you happy with this direction?
Yes and yes. Really fascinating stuff. Last year, we find out Jack and Kate are off the island. How the f--- did that happen? And why does he want to go back? In answering those questions, you have to start addressing the bigger, epic scope of the show. In doing that, you're going to get into questions about the show that the audience is just dying to start finding out. What is this island? Where is this island? When is this island?

We'll meet some new characters from the freighter, played by Jeremy Davies, Ken Leung, Jeff Fahey, and Rebecca Mader. Obviously Michael Emerson's Ben and Elizabeth Mitchell's Juliet have been great additions to the show, yet Lost's track record with new cast members has been mixed. Why has it been difficult for new characters to join the show?
Any time people come in, they're always so excited to be a part of it. There's always a new energy coming in, like, ''Oh my God, I'm so happy to be here.'' That's always a good thing to have. It could be the other way around.... [But] it's always hard to have a total vibe on the appetite of the audience for a new character. There are moments where the show is too mind-blowing and fragmented and confusing for people to put together, and if that's the moment when they're getting new characters, maybe they get less of a shot. And not all new characters are introduced to become characters that stay. They are going to be a mechanism that is going to push a certain arc forward to its final moments.

For example, Nikki and Paulo?
Those characters didn't work for me from the very beginning. I was part of the camp that was like, ''What? Huh?'' That was one of those experiments where [the producers] were like, ''Can we suddenly introduce characters that were part of the crash victims but we've never seen them before, and have them become characters on the show?'' And the answer to that question is...no.

Many fans and critics were harsh on the show early last season. What was it like being hated a little? And did you feel any vindication with the finale?
I kind of liked that. There's something really frightening about when the bandwagon-jumping starts, when it's all the rage. That's when you're like, I don't believe that everybody that's doing this is a completely truthful Lost fan. So there's something cool about now — I know we've got 15 million people watching the show, and these people are the same 15 million that have been die-hards from Day One. Those are the ones that we're making it for. I do enjoy proving people wrong. I'm kind of contrary that way, I guess.

When the producers were pushing for a definitive end to the show, was that something you wanted too?
I was happy. Damon said it to me best once: ''It's like running a marathon and you don't know how long it is.'' If he has a story in his mind, how does he tell that story if he doesn't know how long the book is? I'm telling you, the story is going to charge and move rapidly in the next 48 episodes. One of the knocks on the show is that it hasn't moved fast enough. Part of that was because Damon felt like he didn't know when to let it go. Now he knows when to let it go.

You were able to shoot only eight of this season's 16 episodes before the strike. What was that experience like?
It's a difficult thing to go through. Very odd for everybody. The crew has to go home. We're not sure if we're going to come back and do more this [season]. The audience only getting eight would really be a bummer. But I'm optimistic.

Let's talk about your movie career. Next up, you play a secret service agent in Vantage Point. What attracted you to the role?
I was attracted to the project because of [director] Pete Travis. I'm fascinated with the concept of perspective and vantage point. It's amazing to me how 10 people can look at the same events and depending on the point of view that they're looking at it from, they can see it differently. I'm constantly trying to remind myself of perspective and how much control I have over how I perceive things...I can't really talk a lot about the role without giving away parts of the picture, but that was attractive to me as well.

In May, you play Racer X in the Wachowski Brothers' highly anticipated Speed Racer. How did that come about?
I'm a cartoon and comic book fan, and I love anime. [But] I didn't know anything about Speed Racer. I grew up without a television. So when I found out that the Wachowskis were doing Speed Racer and were interested in me for it, I immediately went on the Internet, and as soon as I saw Racer X, I was like, I think that looks like me. I kinda think I would be a good Racer X. [Laughs] So then I was like, Dammit, I'm going to win this role! I went and read for it, and then waited quite a while.... It was the project last spring that I was dying to do, and I would have been so incredibly disappointed if I didn't.

What can you say about your interpretation of Racer X?
Racer X is all about mystery. And it's all about not just disguise of suit, but it's disguise of voice — he's, like, impenetrable.... Part of the fun that I had was that I got to be a badass, and work with the most insane stunt guys. I'm proud I did it all. They didn't double me. The stunt guys were like, ''We think you can do everything. Do you want to do everything?'' ''Damn right I want to do everything. I want to do everything to the point where you think it looks like crap. That's when I need you to step in and help me out.'' [During] some of it I was just dying. I would do these fight sequences in this leather thing, and the amount of sweat was extraordinary. I was coming home ultra-dehydrated.

Is your goal to make the leap into movies full-time?
There's no question. For me, it's more about my own quality of life. It's better for me to do films because it gives me much more flexibility in my life. I love the idea of becoming all-consumed in this one thing for four months, and then it's done, and I'm just floating around going, F---, I don't know what I'm doing next. You're in that process of looking, and then you're like, Oh, this is the inevitable next thing. Then you dive into that. Also, I love to play new roles. [But] the beautiful thing about Lost is that even though I'm playing Jack Shephard, I get all these new things to do with him. It's not like playing Charlie Salinger on Party of Five. It was tough to play that same character for six years because I don't think I got to evolve that character and play new elements of him and have him be as many different things as Jack Shephard can be.

People associate beaches with relaxation and vacation. When you see a beach, what do you think about? Work?
Yeah, because I spend a lot of time on the beach working. I've never been a huge fan of beaches. I'm a fan of mountains. I grew up in the mountains. So, I've been on the beach, either here or in Hawaii, for 12 years. I'm looking forward to a future in which I'm in the mountains again. I'm [in the process of] moving north. I've never been the type of person who was going to lay out my blanket and sunbathe.

After graduating from Columbia with an economics degree, you interviewed for a job at Prudential-Bache selling stocks. Do you ever wonder if you missed your true calling?
I don't think I'm very good at selling, and I don't think I'm very good at dealing with people on the phone. [Laughs] I think I would have sucked, actually. I have a hard time not being good at things, and I don't think that's necessarily a very good thing. I can't do anything just because I love it. I can only do it because I want to be good at it. It makes for a pretty dissatisfied life in a lot of ways because you're constantly always falling short of your own expectations. But it also drives you.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on January 04, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on January 05, 2008, 01:11:05 AM
so my wife and i had never watched the show until we started burning through the dvd's a few months ago. well, tonight was the big night...all we had left was to watch the two part finale. and what do i see laying out at the office today (seven hours before we're to watch the finale)? that fucking entertainment weekly with the big ol' season 3 finale spoiler on the cover.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 05, 2008, 08:47:35 AM
Do you like these websites like flyoceanic.com and find815.com ???


I think they are incredibly stupid and ruining. They have no relation with the feel of the show for the most part and only make the whole mystery less dignified with stupid clues and obvious stuff.

It's a fucking shame. But still I am convinced NOTHING of importance whatsoever is revealed in these shitty website and videos.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 05, 2008, 10:31:39 AM
there's no way they would reveal anything on those websites, seeing as the vast majority of people who watch the show won't visit them. It's surprising too because it seems like a lot of money went into the find815 one.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 25, 2008, 01:22:05 PM
ABC to Air Enhanced Lost Season 3 Finale
Source: ABC

Get ready for the Season Four premiere of "Lost" with a special presentation of the Season Three two-hour finale, "Through the Looking Glass," enhanced with on-screen facts and back story about one of the most talked about dramas on television.

Whether you already watched the amazing conclusion of "Lost" last season or this is your first time viewing it, the special enhanced "Lost" catches viewers up on the story of the Oceanic 815 survivors in a way you've never experienced before.

Be there for the enhanced "Lost" Season Three finale, Wednesday, January 30 at 9:00 p.m., ET/PT on ABC.

The enhanced version of "Lost" will include text on the lower third of the screen and will "let viewers in" on clues in the show, as well as give back story to catch new viewers up for Season Four.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 28, 2008, 05:41:22 PM
Some day, the TV screen will be filled with 90% text and publicity and 10% that makes for a small square where they show shows.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on January 29, 2008, 09:40:13 AM
during the christmas break i went back home to my mom's house in good old south carolina for 10 days and, not surprisingly, found myself with a lot of free couch time. i was netflixless, and i had already exhausted my mom's modest yet still pretty damn good dvd collection (11 discs in total, mostly Woody Allen and Almodovar), so when my little brother came home with the first season of lost i figured okay, here it is, a perfect opportunity to finally start watching this.

i watched season 1 in about 3 days. then i preceded to rent season 2 from blockbuster 2 discs at a time (so stupid, should've just bought the whole damn season) and then when i got back home to nyc i started netflixing season 3 and just yesterday, i finally finished the season 3 finale.

so of course i love it. the show is cinematic heroin. part of me is kicking myself for waiting so long but another part is glad i experienced it on dvd, sans commercials or repeats or having to wait months and months between seasons. i must say had a blast reading this thread as i went along. i'd watch a few episodes, then read y'all's insightful, overzealous and often hysterical commentary (the tricky part was not accidentally reading too much and spoiling myself). off the top of my head some of the greater moments were mac's adamant hatred of ana lucia (i actually ::gasp:: kind of liked her!), mod the tough critic with his "lost has lost its way" reviews only to be immediately followed the next week by a "LOST IS THE BEST THING EVER CREATED" post, the more level-headed analysis from polka and RK, p popping in every now and then, sickfins.... i must say i was pleasantly surprised to disagree w/ most of you on the lull in season 3, for i thought it was by far the best season, save that one episode w/ nikki and paulo. but i think the DVD factor definitely helped.

i guess the only buzzkill about catching up w/ a show on DVD is that it's a lonely endeavor. jumping about my apartment in complete freakout mode after seeing the season 3 finale was fun but also kind of a drag. like waiting in a ridiculously long line for a club only to finally get in and see that everyone already had the fun, drank the bar dry and left. i called my little brother and a few friends to talk about it and they took pity and entertained me for a little bit but it wasn't the same as experiencing, as picolas so eloquently said, the completely paralyzing finale with the collective lost audience. 

but anyway, the point remains, i'm now a lost junkie. and i can't wait for my next fix in two days.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 29, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
©MBBrad, Your experience basically equals mine, I just beat you for a few months, but I went through all that, including reading the whole goddamn thread and also liking Ana Lucia as a character. Also, I watcheded the finale with my brother who got me hooked on Lost in the first place, and it was great and we kind of discussed it and couldn't wait to see it again. I then saw with my younger brother again, and was delighted that he was as thrilled as I was when I saw it for the first time. He was like "hey... is that KATE? What the fuck? When does it start?".

It's just a show that keeps getting better and, well, either they fuck it up the next three seasons or it's going to be, indeed, the best thing ever created (on TV anyway)...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 29, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Glad you're hooked cbrad, maybe you can give some nice, fresh, objective insight...

So one thing that I've found weird was a group of friends, who are huge fans of the show, recently qualified it as "cheesy," and when I was said wtf? they said at the very least "very melodramatic." While I guess I can understand this, the show doesn't seem to overindulge any more than any other tv drama. Every show's a bit ridiculous, I guess being on this island makes it moreso. But I haven't ever had the word cheesy or melodramatic cross my mind the entire time watching this show. Do you guys think these apply? Maybe I just don't worry about whatever conventions (manipulations?) the show utilizes as it moves forward.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 29, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on January 29, 2008, 04:34:21 PMalso liking Ana Lucia as a character.

The fuck is wrong with you people?  :elitist:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 29, 2008, 07:46:27 PM
melodramatic would certainly be the word i would use.  cheesy? perhaps in some parts, but only when the show is at it's worst (i'm specifically referring to the infamous "jack's tattoo" episode.)  a show that relies so heavily on character development in order to stretch out it's storyline can't help but be melodramatic, and even thats a somewhat negative word to describe it.  every serialized drama can easily be pinned as melodramatic, but as long as it has the right scripts and the right actors it will work.  if not, it will end up like heroes, a show that relies ENTIRELY on cheesy, obvious melodramatics. 

one thing the show does to redeem itself of this is to become self referential. in the finale when rose says to jack "if you say live together, die alone, i'm gonna punch you in the mouth"(not sure of the exact line), it shows that the writers are aware of how melodramatic or "cheesy" some of the concepts can be. These elements are necessary to make such a high concept series work. when the show is over, it will be easy to describe the basic story arc to someone rather quickly.  In order to stretch the storyline out to a multi season series, it's necessary to have a large cast of characters, each with their own complicated (melodramatic) past. you never know what information is valid, and the constant guessing game is the reason the show is so fun to watch. 

it's basically a combination of a great story, mixed with the conventions of a television series. (cliffhangers, transitional audio cues to commercial breaks, etc.)  you could make a series with the same exact concept and very easily have it turn out horribly. the show as it is has teetered on the mundane, but the investment in the characters are what keep us defending it's flaws. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on January 29, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
I'm going to be watching Lost in HD for the first time this season.  Its gonna rock.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 30, 2008, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on January 29, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on January 29, 2008, 04:34:21 PMalso liking Ana Lucia as a character.

The fuck is wrong with you people?  :elitist:

I really think the character was interesting, and her backstory really worked for me. Plus I kind of think she's hot. I don't know why, but she has something. And she can act (maybe only in these kind of tough girl roles who would smack me against a wall and eat the pieces of the brain the came off, but still...).

Quote from: ddiggler on January 29, 2008, 07:46:27 PMthe investment in the characters are what keep us defending it's flaws. 

Couldn't agree more. That's why it kind of (because I can understand) pisses me off when people say that Lost is sucking because the story doesn't evolve. It DOES evolve, but it takes some time with the characters, and that's what makes it so special.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 30, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
Quote from: Ravi on January 29, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
I'm going to be watching Lost in HD for the first time this season.  Its gonna rock.

Me too and yes, it is!

And Gamblour, your friends are ridiculous if they're watching TV and expecting anything to not be melodramatic.  Are they hoping Lost will go mumblecore and just have the characters spend an entire episode talking about sand or what type of fish/fruit combination they had for dinner last night?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on January 30, 2008, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: H.(sparro)W. on January 30, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
Quote from: Ravi on January 29, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
I'm going to be watching Lost in HD for the first time this season.  Its gonna rock.

Me too and yes, it is!

And Gamblour, your friends are ridiculous if they're watching TV and expecting anything to not be melodramatic.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 30, 2008, 10:07:07 AM
It's not TV.  It's HBO.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 30, 2008, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on January 30, 2008, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on January 29, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on January 29, 2008, 04:34:21 PMalso liking Ana Lucia as a character.

The fuck is wrong with you people?  :elitist:

I really think the character was interesting, and her backstory really worked for me. Plus I kind of think she's hot. I don't know why, but she has something. And she can act (maybe only in these kind of tough girl roles who would smack me against a wall and eat the pieces of the brain the came off, but still...).

Need I remind you?

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on January 30, 2008, 03:44:46 PM
There's a new preview of S4 on the front page of ABC.com just in case you want to get hyped up just that little bit more before tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 30, 2008, 07:17:55 PM
it's stuff you've already seen with brand new text.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 30, 2008, 08:12:57 PM
wow, this "enhanced" version of the finale is nothing like i thought it would be. i wish i could disable it somehow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 31, 2008, 07:41:27 AM
I had to stop watching after 30 minutes.  They should never do that again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on January 31, 2008, 08:12:01 AM
i missed it. what was it exactly?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on January 31, 2008, 08:32:03 AM
They had a small black bar that came up every 30 seconds to give you the backstory of what the characters were emoting on screen. It felt a tiny bit like CNN. A real pain in the ass to watch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 31, 2008, 09:13:23 AM
yeah i got through about half as well.  unfortunately the tidbits on screen were not helpful to anyone who WATCHES the show.  it was like a catch-up for anyone who abandoned it during the 3rd season and wouldn't know what was going on.  like

THIS IS JACK.  JACK IS NOT VERY HAPPY RIGHT NOW.  HE HAS BEEN ON THE ISLAND FOR SOME TIME.

totally vague and retarded.  i wanted to put in the dvd but i went to sleep instead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 31, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: modage on January 31, 2008, 09:13:23 AM
it was like a catch-up for anyone who abandoned it during the 3rd season and wouldn't know what was going on.

Thank you for solving that mystery.  I was trying to figure out exactly whose viewing experience they were trying to enhance because the hardcore fans already know more than this crap and anyone who's never watched the show wouldn't know what the hell was going on anyway. 

Though that still doesn't quite explain why the pop-ups were spoiling things that happen later in the episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 31, 2008, 09:43:52 AM
Quote from: H.(sparro)W. on January 31, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
Though that still doesn't quite explain why the pop-ups were spoiling things that happen later in the episode.
because the people who stopped watching are impatient.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 31, 2008, 11:12:15 AM
yea that was the most annoying part. like when it flashes back(or forward, heh) to jack for the last time, the bottom of the screen says "jack is a changed man". i can see what they were trying to do, but it was pretty embarrassing. it was as if some exec at ABC had his 13 year old daughter narrate the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on January 31, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: modage on January 31, 2008, 09:13:23 AM
yeah i got through about half as well.  unfortunately the tidbits on screen were not helpful to anyone who WATCHES the show.  it was like a catch-up for anyone who abandoned it during the 3rd season and wouldn't know what was going on.  like

THIS IS JACK.  JACK IS NOT VERY HAPPY RIGHT NOW.  HE HAS BEEN ON THE ISLAND FOR SOME TIME.

totally vague and retarded.  i wanted to put in the dvd but i went to sleep instead.

I watched about 10 minutes of it and turned it off.  I thought they would some interesting clues, production notes, etc.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 31, 2008, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ravi on January 31, 2008, 02:02:21 PMI watched about 10 minutes of it and turned it off.  I thought they would some interesting clues, production notes, etc.

Same here. I wanted interesting facts or ancedotes like they do on the fact tracks of some DVDs.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on January 31, 2008, 03:59:08 PM
what about interesting insight such as:

Ben just drew a triangle on the map.  Speaking of triangle, here we are at our love triangle with Kate, Jack and Sawyer.  Are you a Jater or a Skater?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 31, 2008, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: pozer on January 31, 2008, 03:59:08 PMAre you a Jater or a Skater?

New xixax marquee.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on January 31, 2008, 09:14:13 PM
Just watched the new episode. I love where the show is going. Flash forwards are really livening up an element of the show that was starting to sag. I didn't feel like sitting through Eli Stone for the whatever Oceanic "announcement," so either someone fill us in or post the inevitable youtube link.

Also, Jeremy Davies!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 01, 2008, 12:10:48 AM
Same as Chest. Loving the flash-forwards. They add a whole new mystery to the show.


Also...

QuoteAna Lucia was... gorgeous.

I threw up in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 12:14:38 AM
Fuck yeah, Jeremy Davies!

I loved how pre-bearded Jack poured himself the weakest screwdriver of all time.  Clearly, bearded Jack could teach him thing or two about drinking.

And it is interesting how the flash-forwards give the show a very different dynamic now.  Similar to "The Nine" from last year, except, you know, not boring and awful. 

"I'm one of the Oceanic 6!"   :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 01, 2008, 12:26:30 AM
Still waiting for what mod is thinking.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 12:44:16 AM
I'm sure he loved it.  It won't be until at least the second episode before he convinces himself that the show has lost its way.   :yabbse-wink:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 01, 2008, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on January 31, 2008, 09:14:13 PMI didn't feel like sitting through Eli Stone for the whatever Oceanic "announcement," so either someone fill us in or post the inevitable youtube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUw9o2L4oAg
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 01, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
Having watched the entire first three seasons on DVD, I don't like having to watch and wait with the masses. But it was a good episode (the shot of jiggly Hurley running to do a cannonball not withstanding), and of course the teasing in the flashforward "I'm one of the Oceanic Six," the hinting that some people are still alive hidden on the island (since the S3 finale I've been predicting that Locke remains on the island and that the last shot of the series will be Jack and Locke shaking hands on the beach and walking into the jungle), and the fact that Hurley makes such a big deal of being sorry he went with Locke - like that decision is going to have a big effect on all of them. Interesting too that Hurley can also see Jacob. But still - I want to know what the fuck is up with that giant four-toed foot!!! And I was anticipating that they would actually play a little joke on us all and have the first episode of season 4 just be all about Michael and Walt since they left the island, but obviously not. Hopefully they will get their own episode pretty soon though, rather than just turning up on the freighter once everyone else gets there. I wish I could just have the whole thing on DVD right now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 01, 2008, 09:42:21 AM
Great premiere!  The only thing I'm getting nervous about is that they've dug such an incredible hole that they just won't be able to get out of.  Like Sleepless mentioned with the 4-toed foot.  I know there are 47 more episodes and 40 of them haven't even been written or shot yet but is that enough to explain EVERYTHING, or are some mysteries just going to end up as bad ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time, like Nikki and Paulo?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 01, 2008, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 12:14:38 AM
"I'm one of the Oceanic 6!"   :shock:

Does that mean they only rescued six? We have already seen Jack, Kate and Hurley, someone died also and I had the feeling Kate is with someone, I wonder who the other three are.

And more mysteries:

- Jack in the future is sick of lying and thought they made a mistake leaving. (already a known fact)
- Hurley from this not so distant future already thinks they made a mistake.
- Jack wanted to know if Hurley was gonna flip.


Also, Cedric Daniels!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 01, 2008, 09:52:22 AM
I think that Sun would have to be one of the 6 as well.  Because if not, she's dead.

And I just think that they're lying about what happened on the island, simple as that.  They probably just said, "We crash landed, some of us died, and we survived until Naomi found us."  No mention of Dharma, Hanso, the hatches, the others, or polar bears.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 01, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
the "i'm one of the ocenic six!" line is such a clever way to add another mystery to the story...loved it. the "i'm thinking about growing a beard" line (aka "hey, audience, this happened before the other flash forward episode")...not so clever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 01, 2008, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: H.(sparro)W. on February 01, 2008, 09:52:22 AM
I think that Sun would have to be one of the 6 as well.  Because if not, she's dead.

And I just think that they're lying about what happened on the island, simple as that.  They probably just said, "We crash landed, some of us died, and we survived until Naomi found us."  No mention of Dharma, Hanso, the hatches, the others, or polar bears.

i think there's more to it than that. if there's only six of them, a whole bunch of people must have gotten left there...i think that's what they're lying about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 01, 2008, 10:36:17 AM
so hurley can see dead people, right?

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it's been a long wait and worth it. this episode was very enjoyable on all levels. i feel so sorry for claire.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 01, 2008, 12:09:52 PM
it was good but it didn't feel like a season premiere. it just sort of jumped into it with the hurley flashback. thats fine. i liked it, can't wait until next week!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 01, 2008, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: abuck1220 on February 01, 2008, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: H.(sparro)W. on February 01, 2008, 09:52:22 AM
I think that Sun would have to be one of the 6 as well.  Because if not, she's dead.

And I just think that they're lying about what happened on the island, simple as that.  They probably just said, "We crash landed, some of us died, and we survived until Naomi found us."  No mention of Dharma, Hanso, the hatches, the others, or polar bears.

i think there's more to it than that. if there's only six of them, a whole bunch of people must have gotten left there...i think that's what they're lying about.
I think you're right. The VISITOR asked Hurley about the others left on the island, so clearly some suspicious people are still looking for them.

I'm also puzzled by the Oceanic Six. Jack, Kate, Hurley. I figured Sawyer only because Kate referred to going back to "him" in the S3 finale, but it appears that might not be the case. Rose and Bernard didn't go with Locke, neither did Sayeed or SunJin, I think. So how did Hurley go from being the main support behind Locke in favor of not being rescued to being rescued? And who else change their minds? And I guess all the other fuckers who have no name must have gone with Locke.

And is that Jack's dad in Jacob's house? That whole scene was just great.

Quote from: MacGuffin on February 01, 2008, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on January 31, 2008, 09:14:13 PMI didn't feel like sitting through Eli Stone for the whatever Oceanic "announcement," so either someone fill us in or post the inevitable youtube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUw9o2L4oAg
That's pretty weak. I had already started thinking that Oceanic was somehow involved in the whole thing. My guess was that the VISITOR was from Oceanic.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 01, 2008, 01:14:58 PM
That's gotta be Jack's dad.

The red camero at the beginning was the same car that hit michael, kate, and locke.

There's so much talk about going back to the island now that I'm thinkin season 6 will be the return...

Has anyone seen the episode list for these 7 eps? I'm super excited for next weeks episode

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 01, 2008, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: shnorff on February 01, 2008, 01:14:58 PM
The red camero at the beginning was the same car that hit michael, kate, and locke.

You mean it hits the same car that hit Michael, Kate, and Locke.

Michael. (http://lostpedia.com/images/2/2e/PON1.jpg)
Locke. (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/2/2e/Auto-locke-deus.jpg)
Kate. (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/8/89/PON2.jpg)
Hurley. (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/f/fa/4x01_hurleycrash.jpg)

And even though the thread title has a spoiler warning, we're not going to start divulging spoilers for future episodes, right?  Just the ones that aired, right?  Because I for one don't know any episode titles, no subplots, no idea which character is the focus in what episode, and I want to stay that way. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 02:38:58 PM
This is probably just a minor little easter egg, but I'm pretty sure the guy with the video camera right next to where Hurley crashed the car was the same guy who was Hurley's old boss at the fried chicken place and Locke's boss at the box factory.  I could be wrong; he was only on screen for a moment, but I felt pretty sure at the time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 01, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
I think someone on here said the looooongest time ago that Jacob was Jack's dad, from when Ben and Locke first go there. Whoever that was, excellent job.

That was some scary shit when Hurley just stumbled upon Jacob's lair. I screamed. I think the other Oceanic 6 are Michael and Walt, maybe. I've been a fan of the theory that it's Michael in the casket, so it would make sense if he was one of them.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 01, 2008, 05:42:58 PM
i always assumed it was claire and aaron who were part of the six, i swore i saw an image of them being lifted off in a helicopter (or did i dream that?)

i still like the link between jacob and the smoke monster, as if jacob can manifest himself as the dead (jack's dad, eko's brother, maybe walt?) but perhaps that's too supernatural. i want to believe that there's a rational explanation for everything, and that all of the wild theories can be put to rest somehow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 01, 2008, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on February 01, 2008, 05:42:58 PM
i always assumed it was claire and aaron who were part of the six, i swore i saw an image of them being lifted off in a helicopter (or did i dream that?)

Desmond said that he had a vision of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 01, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Okay, I was sooo happy to see Lance Reddick AKA Cedric Daniels in the premiere. I smiled wide when I saw him. So impressed with the new episode and if Jacob can turn into dead people, why would he appear to Hurley as Jack's dad?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 02, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
Quote from: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 02:38:58 PM
This is probably just a minor little easter egg, but I'm pretty sure the guy with the video camera right next to where Hurley crashed the car was the same guy who was Hurley's old boss at the fried chicken place and Locke's boss at the box factory.  I could be wrong; he was only on screen for a moment, but I felt pretty sure at the time.

yes, it was him:

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/1/10/RandyFFfilm.jpg (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/1/10/RandyFFfilm.jpg)

Quote from: ddiggler on February 01, 2008, 05:42:58 PM
i always assumed it was claire and aaron who were part of the six, i swore i saw an image of them being lifted off in a helicopter (or did i dream that?)

i still like the link between jacob and the smoke monster, as if jacob can manifest himself as the dead (jack's dad, eko's brother, maybe walt?) but perhaps that's too supernatural. i want to believe that there's a rational explanation for everything, and that all of the wild theories can be put to rest somehow.

when matthew abbadon (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Matthew_Abbadon) leaves after hurley calls for a nurse, he exits the door and a trail of black smoke exists behind him. so matthew could've been the smoke monster for all i know.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 02, 2008, 02:53:25 AM
LOST IS AWESOME! I WANT MORE OF IT. I'M DRUNK. CHEESEBURGERS AND VODKA DON'T MIX EXTRE,MMLY WELL.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 02, 2008, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on February 01, 2008, 12:26:30 AM
Still waiting for what mod is thinking.
saw Joanna Newsom with the Brooklyn Orchestra on Thursday so i didn't have a chance to watch it until this morning.

i'm SO glad to have LOST back, it terrifies me to think we're already 1/8th of the way through the season.  (next week we'll be 1/4th!)  if the writers strike were solved this week, how long would it be before we saw a new episode?  6 months?  9?  a year?  will they roll the other 8 into the 2 remaining 16 season to make them each 20.  will we get another mini-pod of 8 before the other 2 16's resume?  how are they going to do this!

if there is anything LOST excells at it's season premieres and finales, and while it's probably not quite as strong as some previous premieres i loved it anyway.  i probably spent half the show in tears (charlie!!!!!)  the beginning of the episode felt like there were a lot of dramatic strands to pickup midstream but it was thrilling to see everyone again.  the flash-forwards are an incredible device to enliven the show and the oceanic 6 is a great hook (save the cheerleader, save the world!)  something about seeing everyone AFTER they get off the island, seeing that its not a happy ending (though it may only be the middle!), its incredibly depressing (in the best way).  hurley commenting on jacks beard looking weird is a funny way to address the beards phoniness.  i can't BELIEVE jack tried to shoot locke.   :shock:  i thought the episode would include more jeremy davies since it was in all the promos but its probably better they didn't rush that stuff.  can't wait for next week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 02, 2008, 07:39:16 PM
the fact that abc.com has all three seasons up for viewing is beyond awesome
i stopped watching at the beginning of season 3 (don't ask) and had forgotten most of season 2
and my cousin had just recently gotten me back into the show in time for the 4th season premiere.
watching the episodes online for free (despite the minor commercial interruptions) is a perfect way to breed more fans.
there's no excuse to not get into the show.

that said, the end of season 3 blew my mind. and Jacob.. wow.
i have high hopes for the last three seasons.
i'm back on, and staying on this time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ponceludon on February 04, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 04, 2008, 01:24:41 AM
oh snap!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 04, 2008, 06:56:40 AM
Quote from: ponceludon on February 04, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.

I also think that.

Anyway, I wasn't completely blown away by the premiere, but it could have been because I couldn't see the episode from start to finish (downloaded a bad file that stopped about midway through the episode and had to download another and watch from there). That said, I soooo hooked on Lost that even that can't disappoint me. Season 3 took it to a whole new level, and I'm loving being a Lost lover.

I also have the problem of having watched everything on DVD/internet, so I hope it doesn't ruin it for me having to wait a week for every new episode. I can't wait for the next...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 04, 2008, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: ponceludon on February 04, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.

OR the person waiting for her is someone else's SON
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 04, 2008, 01:44:45 PM
I just saw this last night because I was super busy the past few days, and fuck I cannot wait until Thursday. After waiting so many long months I did not get enough LOST for the first episode...

The only thing it disappointed me was the very beginning, as we saw the flash forward but it did not seem as unique as the other beginnings of seasons that really made you feel 'lost' (hatch and desmond, and then the others village with plane crashing down).

Anyways I'm very excited about the episode and Jacob, and Locke and the fact that Hugo was the star in many ways. The Oceanic 6 was an awesome way to give something away, create another question mark, and its also a cool name and it will generate soo much buzz.

CANT FUCKING WAIT UNTIL THURSDAY!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 05, 2008, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: ponceludon on February 04, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.
I think I thought about that at one point but then forgot. In any case it's a good theory. Probably true. I guess I can see the man in the coffin being Sawyer, but after spending the last few seasons building up a likable Sawyer I don't think it'll end with him being an asshole.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 06, 2008, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on February 05, 2008, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: ponceludon on February 04, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.
I think I thought about that at one point but then forgot. In any case it's a good theory. Probably true. I guess I can see the man in the coffin being Sawyer, but after spending the last few seasons building up a likable Sawyer I don't think it'll end with him being an asshole.

Perhaps he won't actually be an asshole but just end up misunderstood. One of those selfless acts that he can't explain to the others. I think them "building a likable Sawyer" is all the more reason that they will kill him. Also...review of new episode is up at IGN...looks like we might find out at least one or two things but nothing huge.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 06, 2008, 09:03:24 PM
if jack's signing autographs at coffee shops and they're commonly known as the "oceanic six," there's no way ZERO people show up to one of the survivor's funeral.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 07, 2008, 01:11:48 AM
Quote from: abuck1220 on February 06, 2008, 09:03:24 PM
if jack's signing autographs at coffee shops and they're commonly known as the "oceanic six," there's no way ZERO people show up to one of the survivor's funeral.

we dont know if the guy in the coffin is one of the oceanic six... or how many years in the future that happens... by then it looks like nobody remembers much about any of them... remember how fucked up jack looked then

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 07, 2008, 06:27:38 AM
I don't know if this (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname) was already posted, but it's kind of fun.

I'm BRAINPAN
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 07, 2008, 08:38:00 AM
damnit. i'm ladybug.  :?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 07, 2008, 08:59:37 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 07, 2008, 10:32:48 AM
Hawking.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 07, 2008, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: noyes on February 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..

wait who said that? was it in a promo for tonight's episode? i haven't turned my tv on all week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 07, 2008, 10:40:42 AM
STICKS
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 07, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
The first time it was Imelda, then I didn't select brunette and got Babar   :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 07, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
There's no "Average" or "Somewhere Imbetween" in those physical descriptions. I'm 5'10", average tan, dirty blonde/light brown hair. Totally invalidated.

But I wound up with Hawking.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 07, 2008, 03:00:28 PM
"Rinse 'N' Repeat"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 07, 2008, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: ©MBBrad on February 07, 2008, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: noyes on February 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..

wait who said that? was it in a promo for tonight's episode? i haven't turned my tv on all week.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 07, 2008, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: noyes on February 07, 2008, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: ©MBBrad on February 07, 2008, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: noyes on February 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..

wait who said that? was it in a promo for tonight's episode? i haven't turned my tv on all week.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
that is the best missing pieces segment, hands down.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 07, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
"Charlotte Staples Lewis"

nice reference

crazy episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 07, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
So that's who that guy is.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 08, 2008, 12:05:15 AM
(talk about episode 2...)

Kurtz was the best ref. i liked that episode way more than the premiere. the LOST universe keeps expanding! i also loved how out of nowhere Locke asked about the monster. and the briefing. and the finding of the plane. and the whole mysterious dynamic right now etc etc..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: john on February 08, 2008, 12:14:57 AM
This is good.

I'm actually a excited about the new characters. A pretty good accomplishment, especially this far into the series.

If I had any gripe, and it's a real minor one... it's that the show has a way of attempting a balancing act with it's subtlety, only to come crashing down every once and a while...

Examples:

Last episode with Jack's, "I think flash-forward Jack, but not entirely super-flash-forward Jack is totally gonna grow a beard. And, by that, I mean whatever you've seen before, as an audience, where I had a beard... TOTALLY HASN'T HAPPENED YET!"

This episode, with Locke's "I got shot right here... where my kidney was! See! I don't have a kidney anymore! Ergo, where I was shot, the bullet went clear through my body.... on account of my having no kidney! Right here! Where my kidney was!"

But, you know, that's minor... and compared to most of the shows on network television that I don't watch... I'm sure Lost is a shining example of subtlety.

Compared to most movies, even.




Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 08, 2008, 12:22:42 AM
i agree about the beard but the kidney reference was just clever. that is a clever plot point. it deserves to be trodded out and shown off. if it was mentioned before, i'd forgotten.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 08, 2008, 01:52:30 AM
THIS was the season premiere. its clear why this episode couldn't come first, they just had to deal with a few other things before this would make sense..

i thought this was a continuation of the great informative episodes we were getting at the end of last year. there wasn't any real tense drama here, but the episode did all the right things and made me really optimistic for the (half) season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2008, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 12:44:16 AM
I'm sure he loved it.  It won't be until at least the second episode before he convinces himself that the show has lost its way.   :yabbse-wink:
hahahah.  yeah, whats up episode 2?!  i think this was an hour of what should have been 10 minutes.  we saw jeremy davies arrive last episode and this episode, what has happened?  the other 3 landed too and they found the helicopter.  streeeeetched pretty thin.  i liked that they flashbacked the new characters right away to break with formula of letting everyone be mysterious forever and then explaining what the deal is.  even though we still don't know much about them, it was cool. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 08, 2008, 11:44:52 AM
yeah i thought it was pretty awesome. the opening scene in the submarine when they find the plane gave me chills! and i agree i love how they introduced the new characters. besides the obvious question (why are these people here and what do they want from ben) i'm also a bit confused as to what exactly each of their roles are on this trip. obviously the pilot is there to fly the helicopter (he was supposed to fly oceanic 815!!) and maybe the asian dude is there to communicate with jacob? (btw he is the one new character i already can't stand and i only pray someone drowns his ass or maybe runs him over w/ the bus). what about jeremy davies tho. he's just kind of a big pussy that doesn't really seem to possess any unique skill or anything...

i need to watch it again b/c like last week i made the mistake of watching it w/ a bunch of drunk fuckwads who wouldn't shut up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 08, 2008, 06:20:50 PM
What was cool about this episode was that it wasn't all about bullshitting. It's like they wanted to make an honest episode for once, so there weren't many ostensible layers of secrets added. The one new thing to think about is who this man is and what/where this boat is. This might just be a crazy theory but could it be Michael having to work for Ben? I still don't think we've seen the last of him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 08, 2008, 06:27:23 PM
I'm still adapting to the show's new dynamics, but am enjoying the hell out of this. The opnening was great, and I think Jeremy Davies is going to end up being the most important character of them all, maybe because we don't really know who or why he's there (he saw the news, he cried... why is he really there). Also a great moment when Jack said his friends were around there with guns pointed at them and Miles (and us) goes "how stupid do you think I am?"... BANG BANG... Jack turns to Miles (and us): "I dunno. What do you think?". It was a great moment, just like Locke asking about the smoke monster as if he was a crazy Lost fan :lol: (reminded me when Juliet told Sawyer about the aliens).

What about Zoe Bell being credited but only using her voice? That's kind of ironic for a stunt woman ("What did you do today, Zoe? Car chase? Explosions?" "I talked to a microphone for a whole 10 seconds"). Hope we see more from her in future episodes, because I became a fan since "Death Proof".

When does next week come?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 08, 2008, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on February 08, 2008, 06:20:50 PMI still don't think we've seen the last of him.

I'm sure we haven't.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 09, 2008, 10:18:02 AM
Spoiler for eps not yet aired at all:The producers have already said that it was always planned for Michael to be absent from the whole of season 3, it was meant to be that way, but that he will return in S4. I'm anticipating one episode will be given over to just Michael and Walt and what they've been up to since they left the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 11, 2008, 01:33:55 PM
WGA: Carlton back to work on Monday.
by Santa, Lostpedia staff

WGA show-runners will report back to work Monday, according to Patric Verrone, WGA West chief, at a special press conference held today at WGA West headquarters in LA. This action is in advance of a 48-hour special membership vote to be conducted Monday and Tuesday to end the strike action. That vote is itself in advance of a 10-hour membership vote to ratify the new writers contract. But the bottom line for Lost fans, WGA negotiating board member and Lost show-runner Carlton Cuse will likely be among the show-runners returning to work tomorrow. So we'll await word from ABC's building 23 at the Disney lot tomorrow, as we assume he'll begin work reassembling the film crew and cast in Hawaii, and the post-production and writing teams with him in Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 11, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Is there a chance we could even transition smoothly (i.e. no gaps after the already finished 8 episodes)?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 11, 2008, 10:00:04 PM
ignoring the schedules of everyone involved and getting back into the swing of things, the strike lasted for.. three months? we have a month and a half of eps left. so no.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 11, 2008, 10:41:47 PM
I also read somewhere that there may only be 13 episodes this season instead of the promised 16. Anyone know any specifics on this?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 11, 2008, 11:00:04 PM
POSSIBLE EXTREME SPOILERS, MAYBE... POLKABLUES TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR RUINING YOUR LOST EXPERIENCE IF YOU READ IT.


Of all the LOST theories floating around out there, this one is probably my favorite: http://www.timelooptheory.com/index.htm (http://www.timelooptheory.com/index.htm)

It's comprehensive, well thought out, and in certain aspects makes an awful lot of sense....  He also updates it with each new episode to include the new information that we learn.  Is it correct?  Maybe, maybe not, maybe in bits and pieces.  Either way, it's a fun read, and it opens up some good discussion points.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 11, 2008, 11:06:10 PM
TV Bosses Reveal What's Next (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=b163d6b8-3327-49da-b8d8-16696cec775d)

Executive Producer Damon Lindelof Says:  "Indeed, it would appear that we are in the endgame of the strike. Personally, I couldn't be more psyched to be part of this union. Like any negotiation, some parts suck and some parts surpassed my wildest expectations for what we could accomplish, but most of all I'm left with a feeling of pride.

"As for Lost (pending the actual lifting of the strike, which we vote for on Tuesday), a game plan should begin to manifest by the end of the week. All I can say is that Carlton and I and the rest of the writers have every intention of making sure you guys get more episodes this season beyond the eight already completed. How many and how they will be aired is a conversation we'll be having with our bosses, but as soon as we've got a plan, we'll tell the fans first."

+++

there's no reason to think that there couldn't be at least a season of 12 or 13 consecutive episodes.. but really is there anything wrong with taking a few weeks off here and there so we can get all 16 during one period of time? airing the episodes consecutively is a nice idea, but it doesn't have to be that way.

if it takes 8 days to produce an episode (does it? i remember hearing that) then they should at least have four more in the can by the time the 8 we are getting now are through, right? i mean its not like they literally weren't writing during this time. its not like there was a lock on their word processors. the actual "writing" of the episodes should not be obstacle at all.

i guess there's a question of drawing less viewers if its playing in the summer? would it really matter that much? i don't know.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 12, 2008, 08:25:22 AM
Source: Aintitcool

"Lost" showrunner Carlton Cuse says the fourth season of his acclaimed sci-fi drama will be no more than 13 episodes this season, cut down from an order of 16 due to the writers' strike expected to end today.
Eight episodes were scripted before the strike. Cuse hopes to produce five more to air this spring.

It sounds like Cuse and the rest of the "Lost" writing staff will end the fourth season at the same story point they always intended, cramming eight episodes of plot into the season's final five installments.

"We will have to condense some stories," Cuse tells The Hollywood Reporter.

The third episode of the fourth season airs this Thursday. Sources say all 13 fourth-season episodes could conceivably run between now and the end of the season without a break.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 12, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 12, 2008, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on February 12, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.

Okay, just for you
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 12, 2008, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on February 12, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.

not me man. breaks blow hard (didn't season 3 teach you anything?). and just think of how much more intense and economic those 5 episodes will have to be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 12, 2008, 05:24:14 PM
Quote from: ©MBBrad on February 12, 2008, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on February 12, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.

not me man. breaks blow hard (didn't season 3 teach you anything?). and just think of how much more intense and economic those 5 episodes will have to be.

But I like it when they take their time with some of the characters...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 13, 2008, 07:55:58 AM
If they've planned out the season to be 16 episodes, then by forcing them to cut 3 of those episodes, some things are inevitably going to be lost. That doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining episodes are going to be any more intense or economical that they would have been anyway. Rather, they're going to have to cut some corners and slack on character development in order to get everyone where they want by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 13, 2008, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on February 13, 2008, 07:55:58 AM
If they've planned out the season to be 16 episodes, then by forcing them to cut 3 of those episodes, some things are inevitably going to be lost. That doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining episodes are going to be any more intense or economical that they would have been anyway. Rather, they're going to have to cut some corners and slack on character development in order to get everyone where they want by the end of the season.

This is exactly my concern.  They'll do their best but it's going to feel rushed.  If they're smart, they'll try to push ABC to let them do an extra 7-8 minutes each episode so they can squeeze an extra episode's worth of time into the remaining 5. 

And hopefully, this means they'll be allowed to add a couple of episodes to seasons 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow on February 13, 2008, 02:19:33 PM
And hopefully, this means they'll be allowed to add a couple of episodes to seasons 5 or 6.

It does. (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Ilosti-Boss/800033076)

What will happen to the three "lost" episodes? Will they roll over into next season's 16, or will they vanish forever?
Cuse: Damon and I remain committed to producing the 40 additional hours of the show that we promised. We haven't figured out exactly when we'll put those other three on, but we're not eliminating them from the show. You will get those three episodes downstream.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 14, 2008, 10:21:25 AM
So I'm all caught up for tonight. I think this new season is very interesting so far. Jeremy Davies is exemplary of the way the writers/creators are poking and prodding with the show's boundaries established so far. His style of acting, unfortunately this also includes Miles, play with the tension in the show, and I think it's challenging the principal actors in a good way. Davies has a sort of earnestness and compassion in his performance that will probably attract and repel the survivors, and he's not totally doing the whole scatter-minded twitchy bit, which is wonderful to see.

His character is obviously going to be very important because we have absolutely no grasp on his purpose. He has a gun but he's not sure why he needs it. He was brought along, but he says he was the first one dumped off the helicopter. He's a pretty good actor, the character is, because the panic and lack of confidence on the helicopter vanishes the moment he sees Jack, which reminds me of the quality in Ben. He cries when he sees the crash, and when asked why says "I don't know." He is later described as a "head case" by Naomi.  She's so quick to characterize the others by things we have seen and understand. All of these facts about Faraday are basically dead ends for now, but they come together and add up to something we can't really predict, which I think is very intriguing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 14, 2008, 09:10:14 PM
Holy shit, these flash forwards are making the show more and more brilliant!

SPOILERS


When Sayid first shot that guy on the golf course, that earned a big WTF from me. I think it's weird that he's now an assassin, even though he keeps regretting torturing people. I guess he'll just come to the conclusion that he's good at it and keep it up at some point. Ben's voice was didn't sound at all like Ben at the end until the reveal. It's fucking awesome that Ben is still around and underground.

Now I'm off to read that time loop theory polka posted, since Faraday's payload pulled a Back to the Future on us with the synchronized watches.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 14, 2008, 09:39:12 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

i'm not sure if i have the mental capacity to truly handle this show. these flash-forwards are fucking. my. shit. up.

Quote from: Gamblour. on February 14, 2008, 09:10:14 PM
Holy shit, these flash forwards are making the show more and more brilliant!

SPOILERS


When Sayid first shot that guy on the golf course, that earned a big WTF from me. I think it's weird that he's now an assassin, even though he keeps regretting torturing people. I guess he'll just come to the conclusion that he's good at it and keep it up at some point. Ben's voice was didn't sound at all like Ben at the end until the reveal. It's fucking awesome that Ben is still around and underground.

Now I'm off to read that time loop theory polka posted, since Faraday's payload pulled a Back to the Future on us with the synchronized watches.

yes yes and i totally didn't buy the time travel theory until now so yes on that too.

the thing i hate/love about lost is that it's the one show i feel like i have to do homework for. between here and lostpedia and the countless other blogs and online essays and water cooler discussions i must now partake in, it's goddamn exhausting i tell yah. and even after all that i still feel like i'm not doing enough. fuck.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 14, 2008, 10:07:59 PM
Man, this time travel theory makes too much sense. I WILL find a hole in it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 14, 2008, 10:56:58 PM
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT.

that theory haunted me balls off.

please find a hole in that, that seems so right
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 15, 2008, 12:32:38 AM
Lost To Move Again?

TV Guide reported that ABC's post-strike schedule may move Lost to another new timeslot: Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, right after Grey's Anatomy, beginning in late April.

The magazine added, based on anonymous sources, that ABC is strongly considering keeping the lineup intact in the fall and beyond.

Lost is currently airing the eight episodes that were completed before the writers' strike began last fall. Now that the strike is ended, five new episodes are expected to be produced. They will air in the spring.

Lost currently airs Thursdays at 9 p.m.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 15, 2008, 10:04:21 AM
This season is turning out to be amazing. Loved everything about this episode. That payload time thing was nutz. Wonder who this war in the future is against? Darma vs ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on February 15, 2008, 12:39:25 PM
I think the war in the future is Dharma vs. the Oceanic 6. The 6 that left did so because they needed to come back to protect the others on the island. That's what Sayid is doing; eliminating the hierarchy of the Dharma initiative to stop them from finding the island again, harnessing its power and protecting the people that stayed behind.

I also have a theory about the time distortion the island is in. If the theory posted before is correct (and... wow, it seems pretty spot on in most cases) and the time machine element was incorporated into the island's magnetic field, then instead of a time "bubble" it could have created a time distortion that conformed to the magnetic field. Instead of a bubble, the island could be trapped in a type of Van Allen belt.
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmsnbcmedia3.msn.com%2Fj%2Fmsnbc%2FComponents%2FPhotos%2F061003%2F061003_belts_hmed_10a.hmedium.jpg&hash=938961745d8971ae3ce4899a4b0372333e6e974b)
So instead of a circle, think of a figure eight or infinity symbol that protects the island. Except depending on certain approaches to the island, the time distortion is minimal or even not at all existing. That's the path the helicopter took in to come back in time to the island. That's the path they can go back and escape from as well. The rocket took a slightly different path, but was still pretty much towards the center of the figure eight distortion to it showed a time shift between travel and perception.

Also, Ben is not one of the Oceanic 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 15, 2008, 02:13:05 PM
Best episode of the season so far. I really like Sayid, yet I thought there was no way he would get off the island, and if he did he would be really boring back in the real world. So I think what they've decided to do with him was a great choice. And they did job of disguising Ben's voice until they cut to him. Awesome episode. And I'm not even bothering with all the theories, I'm just enjoying the ride  :)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 15, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
There seems to be a fundamental problem with the time loop theory. It's his assertion (axiom if you will) that there would be two plane crashes somehow. Because if Ana Lucia's partner is asking about her, then obviously the plane definitely crashed in 2001 (or whatever year it is according to his timeline). And also how can the Oceanic 6 even be called the Oceanic 6 if they are reliving the past 3-4 years of their life (before the flight ever even takes off, mind you). That also doesn't make any sense. I'm just going off what I remember, so if someone can refute this, please do. I'd like to eradicate this theory, as good as it is.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 15, 2008, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on February 15, 2008, 02:13:05 PMAwesome episode. And I'm not even bothering with all the theories, I'm just enjoying the ride  :)

That's pretty much all I have to say about it.

Today was a great day. CMBB in the afternoon and a great Lost episode to end it. There IS a god.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 15, 2008, 08:47:26 PM
i wish i could ignore the time theory (which was an awesome read, thanks polk) and watch without thinking i know anything i'm not supposed to know but i can't help but piece stuff together. especially with the crazy helicopter landings and "stay on that bearing no matter what (or you'll be effed by father time)" hopefully i'll kinda forget it. it's amazing how much we know now that we didn't at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 15, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
I came this close to posting a spoiler warning on the time loop theory, but I talked myself out of it.  Now I'm starting to think it would be a good idea...  At the very least, anyone who doesn't want to run the risk of being spoiled, DON'T READ IT.  Because damn... the payload thing in last night's episode....  Fuck it, I'm going back and putting a spoiler warning next to that link.

Gamblour, read the questions and answers section on the website.  You've definitely pointed out the apparent weak point in the theory, but he does a good job of addressing the question, even though I still have a tough time wrapping my head around it.  Honestly, having read it, nothing would make me happier than finding out new information that makes the whole thing fall apart (although it's becoming clear that, at the very least, SOME aspects of the theory will prove accurate).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 15, 2008, 09:28:43 PM
Yeah, this season has been just giving heaps of information away. The time loop does make a lot of sense, but i think we're caving to its tenets too easily. Let's reconsider them:

-You can travel back in time. HOWEVER, you will remain the same age for some reason, your physical ailments will disappear (which are defined as what exactly? not a kidney transplant or Ben's illness?)

-There were two plane crashes, one in 2004 and a fake one in 2001 set up by Dharma. But how could there be a fake one if a plane didn't crash to begin with? Did they set up and crash another Flight 815?? If so, why does Ana Lucia's partner ask Hurley about her? Speaking of, what about the Oceanic 6?  That is the deal breaker, that piece doesn't fit.

The notions on which everything is built are poorly designed and are probably some sort of logical fallacy, because they are built backwards, given the facts and constructed to fit the facts. The fact that elements of the show do fit the logic is used as evidence for it, when really the tenets are flawed from the start.

The time travel detailed is both cheap and stupid. It's not like any time travel, accounts for too many of the events, and is really lazy writing. Unless the writers had it in their mind this entire time, and even if they did, it would be a huge cop out. Time travel? Ugh, and with all these rules.

The funny thing about the theory is the guy describes it as having a lot to do with fate/destiny when it really doesn't, because you can avoid it all together in a fucking time loop. The characters' decision dealing with fate/destiny have everything to do with their histories, hence why the flashbacks are a vital component of the show! It's about how they change as people and being locked into thinking one's path in life so far was their destiny. For people like Locke with radical change happening, they can change their course (ah, this sounds better, doesn't it? Fits in with Desmond's thematic time travel better).

Some of the rules with the time travel are avoiding the obvious. People don't have disease on the island because they went back a few years. I bet Rose's cancer is older than 4 years if she's dying from it, and then wouldn't they just start to develop it again after enough time passed? The island has curative abilities, OBVIOUSLY, and this is in direct relation to the guy in the outback that Rose and Bernard visit. Mikhail's ears and people's gunshot wounds aren't going back in time and thus healing.

Additionally, the idea of "half-dead" individuals he details and people traveling through time erases the idea of spiritual communion with the island, the kind that Ben has when he sees his mother or that Locke has on his spirit quest. Making everything more literal in its construction wipes out any aura or larger-than-life (maybe religious?) aspects of the island and makes it a flat out lame, overused sci-fi convention. Time travel isn't lame (as Futurama has showed us) but this version of it is. That this guy has formulated logic around the show in which the pieces fit doesn't mean the logic is correct.

Case closed (for me at least).

polka, I just saw your post. I think the payload may have a simpler explanation having to do with temporal distortion, because even that piece doesn't fit. So it was off by 31 minutes? How do that work in the rules this guy has constructed? He will probably just say it has something to do with the time loop bubble still being around even though it was eradicated with the fail safe key. The payload makes me concede that temporal distortions are part of the islands powers, but that makes more sense and is more interesting than a machine Dharma invents.

As a side note, his explanation of Locke's dad places too much importance on his role in this, linking him to Dharma, when it makes more sense that the island is mystical and capable of such events to further one on their course in life.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 15, 2008, 10:50:07 PM
I think you've poked a lot of good holes there.  It's true, with this type of synthetic a priori reasoning, that once a theory has been established, it can be molded to cram almost any new information into it.  Actually, your points, while I feel like you're too quick to reject certain things (the physical ailments issue, especially), are going a long way towards helping me get past this theory.

I do, however, disagree with your notion that literal explanations would devalue the story in some way.  The show is fundamentally a mystery built on the notion that there will be an answer for every question raised.  If those answers are to include ghosts and mystical healing forces, that's fine, but in order to make that satisfying, they still have to develop the story world in such a way that those devices are literal functions of the universe in which the show takes place.  In no way, shape, or form can they ever fall back on, "Oh, it's a spiritual thing; there's no explanation for it," without it being a slap in the face to the audience.  If anything, I think the "half-dead person" theory, by taking what seems to the characters to be a spiritual connection to the island and turning that on its head, adds a layer of complexity and meaning to the story, not takes one away.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 15, 2008, 11:04:21 PM
What about the physical ailments issue are your referring to? I still think the island can heal, but not in the way the "theorist" states with time travel.

You have a good point in regards to literal explanations -- they of course have to happen. But some of his rationalizations do take away from a lot of things on the show right now. When their explanations come, I do think there will be an element of mystery still there. They can't say that people can see ghosts because of the island, for example, with any rationale that would not incorporate a mystical, spiritual element. But if there is a relationship regarding half-dead people and the island, and I think there may be one given the way the show treats them, I don't think it will be because of some machine created by Dharma. It will still be a foundation of the island and that won't be so easily explained away.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 15, 2008, 11:59:24 PM
I just think that of all the areas where the time loop theory seems iffy, the issue of people being healed isn't one of them.  There does seem to be a logical consistency to the notion that when the characters are sent back in time, their physiology reverts to its earlier state and catches up from there.  Or, at the very least, it's one aspect of the theory that can't yet be summarily dismissed from study of the text.

For example: Locke had been swindled out of his kidney prior to the time loop period, but was paralyzed within the time loop period.  Therefore, when he arrives at the island, he has reverted to the physical state he was in at the start of that period, with working legs but without a kidney.  There's no reason to suspect that Rose's cancer is more than four years old (the rate at which different cancers metastisize is widely variable), so it's perfectly reasonable that she would find it completely remissed at the beginning of the time loop.  And then, theoretically, when they reach the correct point in the timeline, Rose's cancer will return, and something will happen that causes Locke to be paralyzed again -- the "course correction" referred to in the theory.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 16, 2008, 01:10:49 AM
Good review of the episode and some ideas of what the hell is happening...

http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlastnight/2008/02/lost-the-man-be.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 16, 2008, 01:32:59 AM
Do you think that in future seasons the climate of the island will change to winter?

That could explain Hurley's Igloo drawing and Sayid picking up the snow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 16, 2008, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: polkablues on February 15, 2008, 11:59:24 PM
I just think that of all the areas where the time loop theory seems iffy, the issue of people being healed isn't one of them.  There does seem to be a logical consistency to the notion that when the characters are sent back in time, their physiology reverts to its earlier state and catches up from there.  Or, at the very least, it's one aspect of the theory that can't yet be summarily dismissed from study of the text.

For example: Locke had been swindled out of his kidney prior to the time loop period, but was paralyzed within the time loop period.  Therefore, when he arrives at the island, he has reverted to the physical state he was in at the start of that period, with working legs but without a kidney.  There's no reason to suspect that Rose's cancer is more than four years old (the rate at which different cancers metastisize is widely variable), so it's perfectly reasonable that she would find it completely remissed at the beginning of the time loop.  And then, theoretically, when they reach the correct point in the timeline, Rose's cancer will return, and something will happen that causes Locke to be paralyzed again -- the "course correction" referred to in the theory.

I understand that those two cases work within the context of the theory, but Jin, for example, his sperm count goes back to normal when he gets on the island, he gets Sun pregnant. Shooting blanks isn't something that he could "go back" to because being sterile seems to be a permanent condition. And remember, Juliet says that men's sperm counts are extremely high on the island. That could have nothing to do with the time loop.

And let's just consider what feels more likely: the island is healing Rose's cancer and John's paralysis (I don't imagine it could grow a kidney back) or an arbitrary rule of time travel is reverting them back?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 16, 2008, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: shnorff on February 16, 2008, 01:32:59 AM
Do you think that in future seasons the climate of the island will change to winter?

That could explain Hurley's Igloo drawing and Sayid picking up the snow.

i've always thought that would be a cool way to start an episode...one of the characters walks out of their tent one morning and it's snowing.


that theory is interesting, but it's stupid how every time he comes across something he can't explain, he just says "oh, [libby, locke's dad, hurley's imaginary friend] was originally part of dharma." that's pretty weak.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 16, 2008, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 16, 2008, 12:27:54 PM
I understand that those two cases work within the context of the theory, but Jin, for example, his sperm count goes back to normal when he gets on the island, he gets Sun pregnant. Shooting blanks isn't something that he could "go back" to because being sterile seems to be a permanent condition. And remember, Juliet says that men's sperm counts are extremely high on the island. That could have nothing to do with the time loop.

And let's just consider what feels more likely: the island is healing Rose's cancer and John's paralysis (I don't imagine it could grow a kidney back) or an arbitrary rule of time travel is reverting them back?

Point taken with the sperm counts, but I honestly don't feel like one arbitrary rule feels any more or less likely than another arbitrary rule.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 17, 2008, 09:07:46 AM
Your ex talks like a bad movie character.
You talk like some kind of Ryan Reynolds.
The last line was pretty funny though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 17, 2008, 10:22:26 AM
Elizabeth Mitchell is anything but 'Lost'
The actress from the hit ABC series says she feels more grounded since entering her 30s.
By Choire Sicha, Special to The Times


ELIZABETH Mitchell plays the maybe-not-evil Juliet on "Lost." She was at home on Bainbridge Island, Wash., with the kiddo.


Apparently Bainbridge is also home to Russell Johnson, better known as the Professor from "Gilligan's Island."
 
Yes! I hear this too! Who didn't watch "Gilligan's Island"? I can still sing the song.

An important predecessor to "Lost."

Yes. I really love "Lost," though. I am kind of itching -- I know I say this a million times -- but I'm a big reader, and you know how you wait for installments of books when you're a kid? . . . I'm looking forward to a script! I'm looking forward to seeing something.

Two years ago, everyone was raising the cautionary "Twin Peaks" flag. . . . But for now we've gotten through that.

Yeah, I think so! I talk to a lot of people, and . . . they have their times they're in love with us, with "Lost," and the times they're angry with "Lost." And now they're just getting on the ride: "I know I'm gonna get mad again, and I know I'll be happy again." I think that's it: They know at least they're going somewhere, so they might as well sit back and see where it takes you.

Don't you go a little nutty out there in nature, with 20,000 or whatever people on an island?

You'd think! But it's a pretty good group of people. I'm still intrigued by them. You don't go hog-wild bored, because you have a 2-year-old and you're so tired. Any time you might be bored, your eyes close and you go to sleep. Boredom is for people who don't have toddlers.

What are you reading?

Right now I'm reading "Orley Farm." Trollope! It's a nice big old hunk of scandal.

You're reading what they call a real book.

Well, kind of. I don't know if they would have viewed it as a real book then. We do because it's old. It uses nice, lovely big words. But it doesn't have any Latin in it. I feel if you went back in time, they would view it as Nora Roberts or Danielle Steele. But it's so old they view it as a classic. And highbrow. He wrote about women really beautifully.

So these "Lost" enthusiasts -- they're all crazy, aren't they?

I don't think so! They get it right more often than not. . . . When I was in the thick of the whole Juliet subterfuge, I'd go online once in a while, very judiciously of course, and read. About 80% of the people who wrote about it all the time had it pretty accurate. Like, "Remember that look she had in Minute 4 on Episode 4?" Oh, my God. But they were right.

How was "The View" the other day? Were they mean to you off camera or anything?

They were very nice! I did it once before, the day Rosie [O'Donnell] quit.

That must have been dramatic.

Not so much for me. It was just kind of amazing. . . . The atmosphere was very tense. I think the audience was happy to see someone else. Tense is nice. I'm an odd person. It all works for me as an actor.

Now I feel like I'm seeing the way you're made here.

Good. I'm pretty simple.

Good. Then: How's your marriage?

Oh, yeah, you know what? I love being married. It's like getting another member of your family -- and I like my family. We laugh a lot, we talk a lot, we fight a lot. He's quicker and little more clever than I am. It's nice to have that stimulation.

Mazel tov.

Thanks! Well, I'm 37. You'd think I'd get it right at some point. I've only been married three years.

In keeping with Trollope, I'm not sure marriage can really be gotten until the mid- or late 30s.

I really do feel that way now, knowing what I was in my 20s, which was just a little bit vague. A lot of people are certain in their 20s -- I wasn't. Thirties, you hit some new points, which I'm sure become moot when you hit your 40s. . . . I think the 40s should be intriguing. Most of my friends around here are in their 40s and 50s. It's wonderful to see where their lives have gone.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 17, 2008, 02:56:13 PM
She lives on Bainbridge Island?  That's like 45 minutes away from me.  I should totally go stalk her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 18, 2008, 01:04:16 AM
LOST theme song (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1739531)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 18, 2008, 05:12:36 AM
Quote from: polkablues on February 18, 2008, 01:04:16 AM
LOST theme song (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1739531)

As much as I love the Giacchino score and those words coming in and out of focus, these should have been the credits  :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2008, 10:27:12 AM
'Lost' is off to a quick startle
Surprising revelations and tantalizing clues have mounted quickly as the ABC drama keeps to a fast tempo.
By Patrick Day, Los Angeles Times

It's astounding how fast this season of "Lost" has taken off. Remember last year, when we spent episode after episode watching Jack, Sawyer and Kate sit around in cages? Not this year. It's a testament to the incredible amount of information the writers have been able to pack into each of the first three episodes that each one sparks a debate on which revelation was the most important of the episode.

In my house, my girlfriend seemed quite taken with the revelation at the end of Thursday's episode: Post-rescue Sayid (Naveen Andrews) remade as Sayid Bond (with unfortunate Fabio hair), flying around the world and killing people for Ben (Michael Emerson). Who are these people Ben is having him kill? I'd say a big clue was found on the wrist of Elsa, the woman Sayid had to kill in this episode. Her bracelet, no doubt given to her by her mysterious employer, looks to be an exact duplicate of the one worn by Naomi, the freighter rescuer killed by Locke. Naomi's bracelet was inscribed by R.G. So who is R.G.?

The possibilities are endless, though I doubt the writers have given us enough information yet to be able to come up with a credible theory. But with all due respect to my lovely girlfriend, I don't think the Ben-Sayid partnership -- or alliance, as it's called on "Survivor" -- was the most startling revelation in the episode. Much more exciting to the series' overall arc was the mini-experiment Daniel Faraday ( Jeremy Davies) engaged in with Regina back on the boat. . . .

A rocket, fired from the freighter, did not arrive at its intended target on the island until a full 31 minutes later. (I thought the unsynchronized watches were a nice homage to Doc Brown from "Back to the Future.") It's important not to downplay the implications of that delay and its connection to the island's true nature. More than any other character, I think, Faraday and his box of scientific doohickeys will do more to quiet that faction of the audience that seems convinced the writers don't really know what the island is.

It's worth pointing out "Lost's" similarities to a Stephen King novella, "The Langoliers." It's a safe bet that the show runners, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, are familiar with the story -- they're both avowed King freaks, but with all the other books visually referenced on the show, it's strange that this one hasn't come up yet. Perhaps because to signal a connection to this story would have been too big a giveaway to a major secret of the series. But go ahead and read the summary on Wikipedia (or better yet, read the book for yourself) and consider again Faraday's comment in Episode 2 about the quality of light on the island being off somehow.

And what about his instructions to Frank to fly off the island and stay on the coordinates he was given? Are they trying to fly through a time rip?

Finally, what are we to make of the revelation that Ben has been traveling off the island for some time under assumed identities? Did he cross paths with any of the crash survivors at some point in the past? I have no doubt we haven't seen the last of the survivor flashbacks.

By the way, the name Ben used in the passport Sayid looked at was Dean Moriarty, one of the key characters in Jack Kerouac's novel "On the Road." Of course, Moriarty was also Sherlock Holmes' genius archnemesis. It seems as though Ben is a combination of both of these characters -- the evil genius with wanderlust. Now we just need to figure out who wants him dead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 18, 2008, 10:59:45 AM
Better yet, if you can get your hands on it, watch the Langoliers made for TV. It's got Balki from Perfect Strangers as the bad guy (this is all from memory of watching it when I was like 10 years old, honest to blog). Incredibly, IMDb says this is on DVD.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 20, 2008, 05:22:37 PM
ABC moves 'Lost'

ABC's top-rated "Grey's Anatomy" will return to claim its usual Thursday night time period next month, with "Lost" moving to 10 p.m.

Having resumed production following the conclusion of the writers strike, "Grey's" will come back to the network's tentpole Thursdays at 9 p.m. time period for five original episodes starting April 24, with "Lost" shifting to 10 p.m. to air five originals of its own.

ABC announced the change Wednesday as part of its spring schedule, which also includes premiere dates for "Desperate Housewives," "Samantha Who," "Boston Legal," "Ugly Betty" and "Brothers & Sisters." The other major broadcast networks announced their spring schedules earlier this month.

A key question is whether "Lost" (which has averaged a 6.4 rating among adults 18 to 49 so this season) will benefit from the new time period. The shift puts "Lost" into an hour with lower viewing levels, and the show notably declined after shifting from Wednesdays at 9 to 10 p.m. last season. But "Lost" may gain from a large "Grey's" lead-in, even if their respective audiences are not perfectly compatible.

ABC has tried several new shows in the Thursdays at 10 p.m. time period which have been unable to capitalize on "Grey's" success. Case in point, current occupant "Eli Stone" is notably absent from the newly announced spring lineup. Since "Stone" debuted earlier this year, it has averaged a 3.3 rating in the time period. An ABC spokesman said the network hasn't decided when the remaining "Stone" episodes will air.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 21, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
that was a nice twist.  so claire is probably dead and thats uncle jacks half sisters baby. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 21, 2008, 09:19:21 PM
Nice bit of a twist at the end. I would have liked this episode a lot more if I still cared at all about Kate. Her and Jack continue to piss me off with their boringness. Sayid's ep is still the best so far. Although I hear episode 5 is gonna be interesting :)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 21, 2008, 10:18:41 PM
SPOILERS


so does that make aaron one of the oceanic six?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 21, 2008, 10:28:49 PM
We were arguing over that. I say, it makes him Oceanic 6.5, so no not really.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 21, 2008, 11:49:52 PM
another really solid episode! they continue to give us a little bit more to chew on each week. really great. i continue to be really impressed without really being blow away.

did anybody else call the twist far before it happened? also - SPOILERS - i don't think claire or anybody is dead at the point in the time line. i think that something happens and claire decides its best for the baby or something. at the very least she won't die before jack and she find out that they have the same dad.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 22, 2008, 12:12:35 AM
Aaron is probably 6.5, I'm hoping. Well, I'd like to think that he is what Gambour and I proclaim he is. I'm very interested for next week. It's gonna be a doozy. I don't want to think claire is dead. I want her not to be deceased. Miles is really starting to piss me off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 22, 2008, 12:13:41 AM
i just noticed that australia is not far behind this year. p should be commenting on these episodes!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 22, 2008, 12:53:22 AM
But at the trial, Jack says 8 survived. Would Sun's and Claire's babies be the other two?

Quote from: JG on February 21, 2008, 11:49:52 PMdid anybody else call the twist far before it happened?

I did. It seemed a tip off when they were hanging laundry and Kate's mentions not being good with babies.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 22, 2008, 01:10:21 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on February 22, 2008, 12:53:22 AM
But at the trial, Jack says 8 survived. Would Sun's and Claire's babies be the other two?


I think he said that 8 survived the crash but then he mentioned something about her trying to save 'the other two'. Probably those other 2 died in the island after the crash.

This episode was great. Not to compare with other seasons really, and maybe its just the fact that we were all waiting for the new season with so much anticipation, but every episode seems like the best episode ever. So many things happening, and the flash-forwards are amazing.

One of the best things of the episode... Hurley and Sawyer roommates? Priceless!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 22, 2008, 08:49:50 AM
I think for some reason one of the two will definitely be Charlie. I don't know why. Would the Marshall be one of the two? Because Jack testifies about talking to him, so that kinda makes sense.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 22, 2008, 09:10:48 AM
ok me and my friends are idiots b/c we thought she said "ERIK" and were questioning why the ending was so ominous and i didn't realize our goof until i came to work this morning and was immediately bombarded by a lostfreak who took much joy in telling me "no you retard, AARON"

okay so if the baby really is claire's aaron, then jack has to know that, so why is jack so hesitant to go see it? unless kate really had a baby, and she named him aaron in memory of claire's aaron, meaning that something bad happens to claire/aaron...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 22, 2008, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: JG on February 21, 2008, 11:49:52 PM
did anybody else call the twist far before it happened?

Yeah, back on pg 60

Another good episode, did they get new writers or something, they are really on the ball this season. Though maybe it is just the addition of the flash forwards that gave the writers this new spark but these episodes really fly.

So was Miles asking for the 3.2 mil because of "The box" that Ben mentioned last season. Remember he was telling Locke to imagine a box that would give you whatever you wanted or something like that and then opened the door and there was Locke's dad.

Quote from: Gamblour. on February 22, 2008, 08:49:50 AM
I think for some reason one of the two will definitely be Charlie. I don't know why. Would the Marshall be one of the two? Because Jack testifies about talking to him, so that kinda makes sense.

Jack said on the stand that the marshall died in the crash, so no, he couldn't have talked to him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 22, 2008, 09:28:00 AM
That's Claire's Aaron.  Jack and/or Kate took Aaron from Claire before leaving the island and Jack feels guilty about it.  

And only bad things will happen if Claire doesn't raise the baby.

Quote from: Gamblour. on February 21, 2008, 10:28:49 PM
I say, it makes him Oceanic 6.5

Nope.  Aaron is one of the 6.  "Oceanic 6" is obviously the name the media came up with, as the characters have referred to themselves as such.  So it's 5 main characters and Aaron.  Aaron's presence without Claire means SO much more than any of the others.  

I can't decide if the 6th person will be Locke, Jin, or Michael.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 22, 2008, 10:14:50 AM
i assume that since their story is that 8 survived the crash and only 6 made it back, that means they had two dead bodies to account for. so i'm guessing 8 people make it off the island but two die along the way? i don't know how they would pull that off as it's obvious who wouldn't make it. there's something else going on here, i don't think claire is dead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 22, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
also, naomi said the plane wreckage was found and all the passengers were confirmed dead. the news went on to report this to the world. so, how does the oceanic 6 fit in to this story?

Quote from: hacksparrow on February 22, 2008, 09:28:00 AM
That's Claire's Aaron.  Jack and/or Kate took Aaron from Claire before leaving the island and Jack feels guilty about it.
why would he feel guilty?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 22, 2008, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: ©MBBrad on February 22, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: hacksparrow on February 22, 2008, 09:28:00 AM
That's Claire's Aaron.  Jack and/or Kate took Aaron from Claire before leaving the island and Jack feels guilty about it.
why would he feel guilty?

because either claire died and maybe he is responsible or she is still on the island (willingly or not) and gave him to kate to raise and that is one of the reasons for going back. Remember also that perhaps at some point Jack may find out that claire is his half-sister so any theory about claires whereabouts can add to jacks guilt
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 22, 2008, 11:36:12 AM
i don't really get the confusion here. back in the real world, it is thought that everyone is dead. back on the island six people decide to leave. someone/something requires them to make up a story so no one knows about the island. the story is this: a freighter finds six thought to be dead survivors who swam to shore when the plane crashed. there were originally eight but they couldn't save the other two. the question is, how do they justify the baby? in their version of how it went down is claire one of the 8? did kate have a baby on island? either way, aaron is not apart of the 6, because he did not survive the plane crash. he will just be another part of the amazing story that is the oceanic six.

jack could be unwilling to see aaron for a number of reasons. the most simple is that it reminds him of the island.

this show is fun!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 22, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
My thoughts are that 8 of them managed to get to shore, but that somewhere along the way 2 of them died. If nothing else, it adds to the believability of the story they've concocted that some of the survivors would later die.

I also had an idea about Aaron - that if Jack didn't want to see him maybe Claire died, and Jack couldn't save her despite his best efforts. That would make sense.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 22, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
Quote from: JG on February 22, 2008, 11:36:12 AMjack could be unwilling to see aaron for a number of reasons. the most simple is that it reminds him of the island.

hahah, that's what reminds him of the island, the baby? not seeing kate or being constantly revered as one of the oceanic 6, it's the baby that brings back all those painful island memories!

Quote from: edison on February 22, 2008, 11:05:17 AMbecause either claire died and maybe he is responsible or she is still on the island (willingly or not) and gave him to kate to raise and that is one of the reasons for going back. Remember also that perhaps at some point Jack may find out that claire is his half-sister so any theory about claires whereabouts can add to jacks guilt.

yeah that makes sense. it's pretty chilling when you remember how kate spoke with such conviction when she protested that her lawyer not bring in "MY SON."

another thing, the scene when claire and kate are doing laundry, and kate refues to pick up aaron, citing that she's not good with babies, i could've sworn there's been scenes in past seasons when kate has gleefully picked up and carried aaron for claire. is her hesitation to embrace the baby now a result of her suspicion that she herself may be pregnant? but then that doesn't really hold water b/c she tells sawyer with much confidence that she's not pregnant. but i guess she could be wrong...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 22, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
ok after a little discussion here at work, i definitely agree that aaron is not one of the oceanic 6.  if he didn't have a ticket, he wasn't a passenger. plus, kate is claiming to be the biological mother, and it's documented that she wasn't pregnant when she boarded 815.  so according to their story, even a pre-birth aaron wasn't on the plane.

this of course raises a lot of questions about the time differentials. since it appears that they will be off the island before too long, how can kate claim that she got pregnant AND gave birth on the island? plus, how much time has really lapsed between them getting off and jack's eventual downfall? it has to be at least a year or two before the trial, and jack seems fine at that point. i'm guessing once they return to the island, only a short amount of time has passed there and the show will pick right up where it left off when they left.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 22, 2008, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on February 22, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
this of course raises a lot of questions about the time differentials. since it appears that they will be off the island before too long, how can kate claim that she got pregnant AND gave birth on the island? plus, how much time has really lapsed between them getting off and jack's eventual downfall? it has to be at least a year or two before the trial, and jack seems fine at that point. i'm guessing once they return to the island, only a short amount of time has passed there and the show will pick right up where it left off when they left.

I think the flash forward in the season 3 finale (jack's downfall), is the end of the flash forwards, that all the flash forwards we are seeing are leading up to that point. With that meet at the airport, we can see that the relationship between jack and kate is almost non existant, the relationship last night was good (heck, she really wanted him to come home with her). So we need to catch up to that point when kate is done with jack and jack starts taking his weekly trips across the pacific in the hope of crashing on the island again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 22, 2008, 04:01:10 PM
I think Desmond is one of the Oceanic Six. For what they showed in the preview it seems like next episode may be about him, which leads me to believe the flash-forward is him as a survivor and maybe with Penny.

Something happened in the island that leads to them telling the lies and Jack feeling guilty. Something happened when they left, which is probably what we are saying all along the season and either left many people dead or stranded there forever or something. Maybe they decided to stay and forced the Oceanic Six to tell a lie so that they wouldnt be found. And maybe the whole media circus is to get the attention off the island. It may all be a move orchestrated by Ben.

Jack said something to Hurley when he went to visit him at the nuthouse, he implies it when he does not want to see the baby, and its clear after you see him now and how he ends up. It starts now with the guilt and eventually ends up with him wanting to go back, which is what we saw on the S3 Finale. Ben is of course at the center of this, we saw it last episode with Sayid.

Where the hell is Michael? He needs to show up already!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on February 22, 2008, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: JG on February 21, 2008, 11:49:52 PMdid anybody else call the twist far before it happened?

i called that it would be baby Walt.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 22, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: pozer on February 22, 2008, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: JG on February 21, 2008, 11:49:52 PMdid anybody else call the twist far before it happened?

i called that it would be baby Walt.


Hahahaha someone in my group definitely said this as well.

And cbrad, I totally heard ERIC too! Then I thought, man these writers are stupid because that sounds a lot like Aaron. And then, oh I'm stupid.

Where does it say that Kate is not preggers once she gets on the island? I mean where is it "documented" that that's the case? It is a big mystery how they will attach Kate to Aaron. Maybe Claire will die, and become part of the 8, thus explaining the baby.

Also, I think Sun will be one of the 6 because she's gotta get off the island and have that baby.

I cannot fucking wait to see next week's episode and get some explanation to the time rip/payload conundrum!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 22, 2008, 10:05:42 PM
Sayid episode was awesome. Nothing else can really be said of it.

The time loop theory is also pretty awesome. There are bits that have somewhat hanging explanations (i.e. can't really be supported) but as far as theories go it's definitely the best and most plausible one I've read yet. After the Faraday experiment from last week there clearly is some sort of time rip on the island, so the theory has that going for it.

This episode was probably the first "OK to good" episode of the season. I figured out very early in the episode that Aaron would be the son. So many references to "my son" without any names or any visual representation, and the scene between Kate and Claire - easy deduction. In fact pretty much the only things I really liked from this episode were the scene with Jack and Kate at the end (totally negated all the hate I felt after seeing her and Sawyer romp/not romp again), Hurley and Sawyer rooming up, and Locke being a total dictator, although I hope they don't go too far with making him a foil to Jack.

Here's hoping next episode is as kick-ass as it looks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 23, 2008, 07:23:48 AM
I think a reason that could explain why Jack doesn't want to see the baby is because for XYZ reason he thought it was unsafe/unacceptable for the baby to stay on the island while Claire wanted to stay so he took the baby by 'force' and now feels bad about it. Is that plausible you think ?

Or in the same vein, in a situation where Claire and Aaron were in death danger tried to save them both but only managed to save Aaron so he feels guilty Jack-Style.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 26, 2008, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: kal on February 22, 2008, 04:01:10 PM
I think Desmond is one of the Oceanic Six.

i agree. i wouldn't be surprised if the big dramatic moment that ends this week's opening scene is someone referring to desmond by the name of one of the people on the plane.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 28, 2008, 10:10:45 PM
now THAT was a lost episode
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 29, 2008, 12:01:26 AM
I said what the fuck probably 50 times tonight. HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 29, 2008, 12:08:14 AM
For the last 3 minutes I was saying outloud "pick up the phone, pick up the phone, you have to pick up". This episode was worth all the hype it was given....So great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 29, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
Top 5 of the series.  No doubt in my mind. 

EDIT:  I think I'm going to re-read Slaughterhouse-Five this weekend.


Quote from: abuck1220 on February 26, 2008, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: kal on February 22, 2008, 04:01:10 PM
I think Desmond is one of the Oceanic Six.

i agree. i wouldn't be surprised if the big dramatic moment that ends this week's opening scene is someone referring to desmond by the name of one of the people on the plane.

I doubt anyone could pretend to be someone else because none of the characters on the show is a loner, except Sayid, and we know he got off.  Desmond could have pretended to be Sawyer except that Sawyer's got a criminal record and mugshots would easily prove that he's not really James Ford.

What I do think we'll see is someone else not in the Oceanic 6 that made it off.  Whether that ends up being Michael or whoever is the man on the boat, I don't know.  But I'm starting to think that our Oceanic 6 doesn't include Aaron but the Oceanic 6 in their world does.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 29, 2008, 09:52:25 AM
Interesting thought: could Michael be the man on their boat?

Even more interesting thought: I listened to the official podcast about last night's episode and Lindelof mentions the importance of the old lady in Flashes Before Your Eyes, and how they are averse to paradoxes, and she outlines this by discussing course correcting. And he said, "It's as if the fabric of time swirls around you and course corrects." Or something to that effect. Could THE MONSTER, the black smoke, be the island's course corrector? It's a swirling, amorphous entity that kills, ie course corrects. I think that would be an interesting revelation.

As for The Constant...at first I was a little upset that suddenly our man has no recollection of Charlie, the hatch, or anything leading up to this point in time. It made the phone call to Penny have almost no emotional involvement because if only he understood that it's been 8 years. I kind of got over it, however, when I thought about Faraday's comment about his condition being exponential. He was gone for 75 minutes, and experienced 5 minutes in the future. Next time it might be 2 hours, then 4, and eventually, Desmond will experience one year, two years in the past and finally catch up with the future. I think that seems like the inevitable conclusion.

hack, why re-read Slaughterhouse-Five? does it deal with time travel?

EDIT: if it's December 24th 2004 on the ship in the South Pacific, that doesn't mean that it's Christmas Eve in London if they're across the international dateline, right? I guess that's a part of dramatic license. Also, according to Lostpedia, on the island, it's actually day 96, Christmas Eve would be day 94. So it might actually be 26th or the 27th in London, depending on what time of day Desmond calls Penny.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 29, 2008, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 29, 2008, 09:52:25 AM
EDIT: if it's December 24th 2004 on the ship in the South Pacific, that doesn't mean that it's Christmas Eve in London if they're across the international dateline, right? I guess that's a part of dramatic license. Also, according to Lostpedia, on the island, it's actually day 96, Christmas Eve would be day 94. So it might actually be 26th or the 27th in London, depending on what time of day Desmond calls Penny.

although it was two days later when they finally got the call from sayid, even though their flight only took 20 minutes or so. that would explain the day discrepancy between the island and the boat.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 29, 2008, 11:18:47 AM
Faraday's Blackboard:

http://lost.cubit.net/s4inv/4x05_chalkboard.jpg

"The Lorentz Factor":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor

Kerr might work!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_metric

Hawkings' "Chronology Protection Conjecture" is on the blackboard. That refers to Stephen Hawkings Conjecture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_protection_conjecture

However, could it really be Ms. Hawkings idea of course correcting, ie Chronology Protection Conjecture?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 29, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
shit was off the chain. i've decided that not only do i like watching this show with commercials, i need the commercial breaks to come down, gather thoughts, discuss/yell, and get my heart rate to resume a somewhat normal pace. this season is unreal. each episode is leaving me mentally drunk.

that was the best use of the flashback structure to date. and the best editing they've ever done.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 29, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: ©MBBrad on February 29, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
i've decided that not only do i like watching this show with commercials, i need the commercial breaks to come down, gather thoughts, discuss/yell, and get my heart rate to resume a somewhat normal pace.

That's really funny, I was saying the exact same thing last night. My friend has a DVR so he would skip the commercials, but at one point I just had too much and said, dude I need the commercial breaks or else my head will explode!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 29, 2008, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 29, 2008, 09:52:25 AM
Interesting thought: could Michael be the man on their boat?

Even more interesting thought: I listened to the official podcast about last night's episode and Lindelof mentions the importance of the old lady in Flashes Before Your Eyes, and how they are averse to paradoxes, and she outlines this by discussing course correcting. And he said, "It's as if the fabric of time swirls around you and course corrects." Or something to that effect. Could THE MONSTER, the black smoke, be the island's course corrector? It's a swirling, amorphous entity that kills, ie course corrects. I think that would be an interesting revelation.

As for The Constant...at first I was a little upset that suddenly our man has no recollection of Charlie, the hatch, or anything leading up to this point in time. It made the phone call to Penny have almost no emotional involvement because if only he understood that it's been 8 years. I kind of got over it, however, when I thought about Faraday's comment about his condition being exponential. He was gone for 75 minutes, and experienced 5 minutes in the future. Next time it might be 2 hours, then 4, and eventually, Desmond will experience one year, two years in the past and finally catch up with the future. I think that seems like the inevitable conclusion.

hack, why re-read Slaughterhouse-Five? does it deal with time travel?

EDIT: if it's December 24th 2004 on the ship in the South Pacific, that doesn't mean that it's Christmas Eve in London if they're across the international dateline, right? I guess that's a part of dramatic license. Also, according to Lostpedia, on the island, it's actually day 96, Christmas Eve would be day 94. So it might actually be 26th or the 27th in London, depending on what time of day Desmond calls Penny.

Well first of all: AMAZING EPISODE. This and the finale of season 3 are probably vying for the top seat right now. I'm a little surprised they made the time travel explicit so soon. I thought that it wouldn't come to light until the end of the season but I guess now we figure how/why.

Second, I think I brought up earlier (after the episode where Ben first says he "has a man on their boat") the possibility of Michael having to work for Ben. It's still what I think will happen.

Third, I think the time loop theorist hypothesized the monster being the island's course correction. Seems to make sense. For the time being there isn't much anyone can say about it.

Fourth, Slaughterhouse Five is all about time travel. Not so much time travel but being "unstuck" in time. The lead character Billy Pilgrim becomes unstuck and then the rest of the book he's shifting in and out of different parts of his life randomly and not of his volition. I noticed Faraday use that word ("stuck" in time) specifically during the experiment, so it would seem the writers are indeed referencing Vonnegut.

In conclusion: AMAZING EPISODE.

EDIT: Did a little search and it looks I didn't bring up Michael. Oh well. In any case, I thought about the same possibility Gamblour.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 01, 2008, 12:11:05 PM
yep, i cried. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 02, 2008, 12:34:50 AM
Every episode I think its impossible for me to be more confused and excited about the next episode, and then shit keeps hitting the fan... every episode is pure gold... I get the same feeling I got after last season finale when I knew I could not wait to get more.

I'm sure Michael is on that boat. Can't wait until next week. I did not see the previews because I downloaded the episode. What was the preview for next week???

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 02, 2008, 12:45:19 AM
GREAT READ!!! CHECK IT OUT!!

From Zap2it: 'Lost': Doing the unstuck

Before delving too deeply into the implications of tonight's episode, "The Constant," let us first take a moment to marvel at the euphoric catharsis that was the conversation between Penelope and Desmond near the end of this mind-blowing episode. That, gentle readers, is why I love Lost. The show has its mythology, and that's great. It's got its mysteries, and that's great. It had to good sense to quickly kill off Nikki and Paolo, and that's particularly great. But in the end, without strong relationships between its characters, Lost would simply be another genre show, one of many. The impact and emotion of that phone call shows why Lost stands so far and above just about anything else currently on air.

There's more to be said on matters of the heart, but for the time being, let us turn to time itself. As Boy George once pontificated, "Time is precious, I know." And that man knew from once he spoke. Our favorite brutha Desmond found himself unstuck in time, just like Billy Pilgrim in Kurt Vonnegut's classic novel Slaughterhouse-Five. (In case you didn't get the connection, the show went and called Desmond's army buddy Billy for good measure.) This episode shed a lot of light on the actions in "Flashes Before Your Eyes," in that Desmond himself doesn't physically time-travel: only his consciousness does.

We learned this thanks to the 1996 version of Daniel Faraday, residing at Oxford with experiments inspired by his namesake and a haircut inspired by a Joshua Tree-era Bono. Desmond visited him after 2004 Faraday instructed Des to visit him in Oxford, equipped with numbers and names to convince 1996 Faraday of Desmond's situation. And if that sentence was hard to read, you can only imagine how hard it was for me to type. (Least this sheds light on why Desmond ended up in military prison as seen at the end of Season 2: dude went AWOL to find Faraday. Awesome.)

Turns out, as widely suspected, that when the Swan went kablooey, Desmond's mind was bombarded with enough electromagnetism to cause his consciousness to move back and forth in time. And Des is far from the only one. Turns out the barely seen Minkowski decided to go for a joyride from the freighter along with another crew-member and got caught a case of cottage cheese brain for his troubles. And Faraday himself: well, we know now the reason for Charlotte's memory test last week. Kudos to all of you who saw it for what it was while I went to the top of Boston's highest peak (elevation: 14 feet) and shouted, "It's ESP! ESP!" until a cop in Southie threatened to make me gone, baby, gone.

And Faraday. What can you say about him? Is it too early to call "Rookie of the Year" quite yet? Because he's got my vote. His own brain is addled thanks to years of experiments more than likely spurned on by his encounter with Desmond. And what a masterstroke of the show avoid the inherent "How did Faraday not remember meeting Desmond before seeing him on the Island?" by using the constant exposure to radiation throughout the years as a way to explain his memory loss. Absolutely fantastic.

And let's look for a moment, if we can, at the numbers involved in Faraday's successful experiment with Eloise: 2.342, running at 11 hertz. We've got two of The Numbers right there, with 23 and 42, and the "11" derives from subtracting two other Numbers from each other (15 and 4). Yes, the show tends to drop the Numbers in scenes as Easter eggs, meant to do nothing more than make fans or, say, people who write Lost recaps, to stand up and say, "Egads, perchance I espy one of the Numbers! Gertrude, more pie, if you please!" So I understand why you might be rolling my eyes at my attempt to derive some significance here.

But in this case, I think the fact that these numbers worked in sending Eloise's mind into the future not only suggests why Faraday is crying upon seeing the wreckage of Oceanic 815, but is the very reason Abaddon (or Abaddon's boss) chose him to travel to the Island. In the first case, his radiation-addled mind can't make a direct connection to the crash, but his subconscious still can. And in the second case, word of his research could have reached Abaddon's ears, and the commonality of numbers could have piqued his interest.

(In any event, the main takeaway lesson here? If you're going to repeatedly attempt to send a field mouse into the future, wear a helmet. Just good common sense for all you kids out there.)

Speaking of Abaddon's boss, hi, Charles Widmore! Nice to see ya, paying a hefty sum in 1996 for the only extant journal from the long-lost Black Rock. And no, in case you're wondering if you've missed something, the Widmore-Abaddon connection is purely theoretical at this point, although it's far from a horrible guess. This little auction scene went a long way in shoring up my theory that the freighter is in fact working under the guise of the Widmore Corporation, built by Paik Heavy Industries (owned by Sun's father), in cooperation with the remnants of the Hanso Foundation. (For more on this, be sure to follow this link and read my initial formulation, made before Season 4 started.)

Widmore's buying of the journal signals a deep interest in the Black Rock: more importantly, any clues as to its navigational records. What we see in this auction, exhibited by the exorbitant price paid for the journal, is a man keen on finding the Island. He would have undoubtedly preferred to locate it on his own, but easily has the means with which to purchase the journal at auction. (I do wonder if anyone else in that auction house will have ramifications in the world of Lost.) Having obtained that journal, Widmore could finally achieve what until then had been the impossible: locating the Island. The Freighter itself is the result of the work jump started the day in which Widmore purchased that journal.

Now that we're back to the Freighter, let's talk about that calendar, shall we?

According to the calendar in the communications room, it's December 24, 2004. That doesn't surprise Sayid in the slightest, except for him remarking that he didn't realize it was so close to Christmas. The fact that the background of the calendar featured a tropical setting made me think, "OK, this is just a calendar to show what time the people on the Island think it is." I thought it either might be a cheat sheet or a way to screw with the heads of anybody from the Island who got off.

But that's not quite right, is it? It seems clear the majority of the people on the freighter are COMPLETELY FREAKING OUT that Oceanic 815ers have landed on the Freighter. So, having a calendar in a room not intended for outside observers seems a bit weird. More to the point, Desmond calls Penelope on the exact day as he promised: Christmas Eve, 2004. We know this to be true because there she was, all decked out in holiday gear, in front of a Christmas Tree, and saying nothing like, "Why are you calling me in the year 2012, Desmond?" Then again, she might have said that: my sobs were drowning out the dialogue somewhat.

Then there's the problem of Faraday's rocket and Lapidus' helicopter. Faraday's rocket, if you remember, arrived roughly 31 minutes later (31 being, of course, 15+16...OK, OK, I'll stop bringing up the Numbers) than it should have. From Island perspective, the helicopter than should have taken 20 minutes to land took more than a day. From helicopter perspective, the trip DID take roughly that long, but they left at sunset and arrived seemingly mid-day. I quickly looked at the diagram listed in Faraday's journal for advice and/or answers, but at some point blood started to come out of MY nose, and decided to leave the heavy physics to those more equipped to explain to inference of all these events.

Then again, all of these discrepancies could be what freaks Faraday out so much. Remember: as a scientist, he would be looking to design and conduct experiments in which he could consistently achieve the same results. And yet, his life's work yielded nothing but differing results, driving him batty (both literally and figuratively). Perhaps such inconsistencies mark the danger not only of traveling to and from the Island, but perhaps also with the Orchid Station itself, a station that looks to make its grand appearance in the show next week.

The Orchid Station, for those of who that haven't heard of it, is a new station introduced by the producers of Lost at Comi-Con last year, and seems to involve not only the mental, but physical act of time travel. This physical act, however, it not without peril, and not without surprise.

In the orientation video, the scientist formerly known as Marvin Candle shows up, holding a white rabbit with the number 15 written on its side. (Much like Ben's White Rabbit #8, suggesting Ben's well acquainted with the Orchid.) Halfway through the Orchid orientation video, a second White Rabbit #15 appears, and the whole scene breaks down into the type of chaos normally reserved for opening night of a Hannah Montana tour. See for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI

In this video, Candle (or Edgar Halowax, as he calls himself) refers to something called the Casimir effect. I won't purport to understand 10% of that link, but the bit about wormholes and faster than light travel sure caught my eye. What about the Orchid's research is so unstable? Was it created based on theoretical applications of the Island's unique properties? Is Ben using the Orchid for his worldly travels? So many questions, and in Faraday, we potentially have a source for answers. And I like answers. I'm a fan of them, you could say.

But as stated at the beginning, none of this Casimir effect mumbo jumbo would mean a thing if we didn't give a damn about Desmond and Penelope, and I give as much of a damn as Rhett Butler doesn't. I was frankly shocked to see them make any type of "real world" connection this early in the show (I had that pegged as a Season 6 activity), but in that they still have a long way to go before truly meeting again, I marveled at this conversation as a way for these two to steel themselves up for the last, and most difficult, part of their journey back towards each other. I've said it before, and having this episode, I feel it more strongly than ever: these two are the romantic heart of the show. Sorry, but for having had such little screen time together, it's nothing short of a miracle on behalf of both the actors and writers to construct a relationship that anchors the actions of everyone else in the Lost universe. And it puts the squabbles over time travel, wormholes, and electromagnetic anomalies into their proper context.

Five things that I noticed, couldn't jam into the recap, but wanted to note:

The doctor on board the freighter? Named Ray. Could this be the "RG" listed on Naomi's bracelet?
Notice all those security cameras on board the freighter? Remind anyone of similar cameras already seen on the show, say, in New Otherton?
Did they really hire Fischer Stevens for essentially two voice-overs and a few scenes in this episode? That's it? Is this karmic payback for going ahead and doing the sequel to Short Circuit without the involvement of the legendary Steve Gutenberg? (There better be a flashback involving Minkowksi, and soon.)
The friend on the boat that opened the door? Probably the one that also destroyed all the equipment. And probably Ben's man on the boat. (After all, we know Ben's a fan of jamming communication to the outside world.) I think we all know this person's identity at this point, correct?
Desmond is Faraday's constant? Damn. I was all out of Kleenex after the phone call. Unfair, Lost. Unfair.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 05, 2008, 12:22:41 AM
Lost: The Cast's Burning Questions Answered!
Source: TV Guide

"It's no shock to say that Season 4 ends with the Oceanic 6 getting off the island," Lost executive producer Damon Lindelof shares with TV Guide. "The real mystery is how, and what they have to sacrifice, and what happens to the people who didn't leave. You get all that this year." Sounds good, we'll take it. But what other intel are producers willing to spill? To find out, we turned to no, not viewers but to Lost cast members themselves for their own burning questions. Warning! The producers' answers could cause a major head rush, if not a full-on Desmond-style time jump.

Jorge Garcia (Hurley): "Is Ben in the coffin?"
Carlton Cuse: Come on, Jorge!
Damon Lindelof: Seriously! [To Cuse] He's just trying to make sure it's not him. It's process of elimination. The next question is, "Is it Michael?" [Laughs]
Cuse: Before the end of the year, you will know who's in the coffin.
Lindelof: And Jorge will definitely know before anyone else.

Yunjin Kim (Sun): "Is Aaron actually one of the Oceanic 6?"
Cuse: We're not officially saying yet. We want the audience to engage in an active debate about who the Oceanic 6 are.
Lindelof: Following [Sayid's] episode, we got several inquiries we weren't anticipating about, 'Is Ben a member of the Oceanic 6?' He could've assumed the identity of somebody on the plane [with] no surviving family members. Who the actual six are is very much in play through the end of the [March 13th] episode. We'll confirm or deny after that.

Josh Holloway (Sawyer): "Is it Jack's turn with Kate?"
Cuse: [Laughs] That doesn't sound very romantic, but I guess we get the underlying meaning. The Jack-Kate situation remains unresolved and probably will be for a while.
Lindelof: We will say we haven't seen the last of Sawyer and Kate this season. Not by a long shot.

Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond): "It's 2004 on the boat. What year is it in Penny's world? What year is it when the Oceanic 6 get home?"
Lindelof: What's fundamentally interesting about all the time-jumping is that we want it to make sense when people watch the show 10 years from now. We don't want it to seem dated. So it's not really about what year it is in the outside world, it's about how many years have elapsed between the time that we're watching on the island and the flash-forwards. That's one of the fun games the audience is playing: "Gee, Aaron looks like he's about 18 months old. What does that mean, and how old was he when they got off the island?"
Cuse: There are some growth issues when you go on or off the island. But I can't say more about that.
Lindelof: You've already said enough.

Evangeline Lilly (Kate): "Did Michael reach the mainland? Go home? Come back to rescue us?"
Cuse: The good news is that Evie will get all of her answers in [the March 20th] episode.
Lindelof: Well, most of them.
Cuse: Those questions form the basis for that episode. Evie should be somewhat happy.

Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet): "Why did Juliet become such a badass? Who trained her — the Others?"
Cuse: I think there was probably some martial arts in New Otherton.
Lindelof: She probably went out shooting with Friendly back in the day, which is why she can handle a firearm so well. But the real inspiration for Juliet being a badass was Elizabeth herself. When she read for the part, she had this huge cast on her arm and was talking about her days of kickboxing....
Cuse: And then she beat Damon up.

Holloway: "Sawyer needs a freakin' haircut! Since I'm living with Hurley, can he cut my hair?"
Lindelof: [Laughs] That episode's a casualty of the strike.
Cuse: But yeah, Josh can have a haircut.
Lindelof: Josh might've forgotten, but this is a recurring request from him. He's like, 'My hair's getting long, can't Kate cut it?' So we did an episode [in Season 2] where Kate cuts his hair. I love how Josh chooses who's going to be his barber at any given time!

Cusick: "Did Jack's flash-forward in the third-season finale take place after the events of Sayid's most-recent episode?"
Cuse and Lindelof: Yes.

Naveen Andrews (Sayid): "Damon spoke once about going back into Sayid's childhood. It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time. Has he abandoned that?"
Lindelof: I love how he phrases it — "It didn't sound like bulls--t at the time" — [implying], "But it certainly seems like bulls--t now." [Laughs] It's certainly something we still want to do. It wouldn't necessarily be an entire flashback based in his childhood, but there may be significant things that happened when Sayid was a kid that we need to reveal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on March 05, 2008, 01:08:15 AM
this is slightly interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ierynZLSLHk
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 05, 2008, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: jtm on March 05, 2008, 01:08:15 AM
this is slightly interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ierynZLSLHk


very nicely edited! love ben's voiceover mixed with the shot of the tail section crash. one of the better fan made vids i've seen.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 06, 2008, 09:27:07 PM
That episode wasn't too bad, wasn't a great one, but far from a bad episode. Looking forward to seeing some more of Jin and Sun next week (more Rose & Bernard too please!), although the preview didn't look that great. And is no-one at ABC or Bad Robot keeping up online? "You'll never guess who Ben's man on the boat is!" Please. Apart from the fact we've been prophecising since Ben revealed that, to show us a preview that makes it clear Sun and Jin are going to be separated so she can go to the boat... where Michael is. Way too obvious. Hopefully next week's ep will be a hell of a lot better than the preview suggested. Especially since we've got a couple weeks Lost-free after it. And finally, the whole Whitmore theory confirmed. Love the fact the Red Sox are a running joke now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 06, 2008, 11:47:27 PM
Yea, wasn't quite up to the standards last weeks set, but had some good moments in it. "Because you're mine!" will be a defining moment for Ben's development from here on. That moment was so eerie.

EDIT: Also, Gainesville, Florida, yeaah.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 07, 2008, 12:03:31 AM
Solid episode. My Favorite Line: This Rabbit didn't happen to have a number on it?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 07, 2008, 12:54:39 AM
"I taped over the game."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 07, 2008, 12:59:36 AM
If anything goes wrong, xixax will be my constant.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 07, 2008, 07:22:19 AM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on March 06, 2008, 11:47:27 PM
Yea, wasn't quite up to the standards last weeks set, but had some good moments in it. "Because you're mine!" will be a defining moment for Ben's development from here on. That moment was so eerie.

That line was incredibly creepy, however, its impact was almost ruined by Juliet's completely redundant line to Jack, "He thinks I'm his." Wow, great job writers. I think she could've suggested this to Jack in other more subtle ways.

I really did not like this episode. Yeah, Ben has some good one-liners, but the flashback was pretty blegh. Great, we have a new one dimensional character, Harper (or should it be Harpee?). She was so stone-faced. And we retread soooo much old territory with Juliet's back story. So Ben intentionally sent Goodwin to be killed? Well, who was Ethan fucking then? Also, normally when they recreate moments cut-in with past episodes, it works, like with Nikki and Paulo, but with Goodwin and Juliet and Harper, they did not sell me on that. It looked completely different.

And the whole Charles Whidmore bit. I think it's cool that we had this confirmed, but they thwacked us with a sledgehammer about it. Did we need to see video of Whidmore? Not really. It shows him being mobster like, but the audience is privy to this, we knew this was coming when he bought the Black Rock diary in the last episode.

I know these are a lot of complaints, but I feel like the show had really stepped up its game this season, after the "game-changer" finale. They've been consistently awesome, and they've been able to do so because of the condensed seasons. But the writing in this episode was very sub par, I thought, and was a lot of fluff. They've been guilty of it in previous seasons, but the way its going now, they've set the bar really high in the first five episodes, they don't need to go backwards. They rehashed sooo much in this one. Even Valis! They show Ben reading Valis again, and when they did, I just said, "We get it, he's reading Valis!" They normally don't shove too much down one's throat, but yeeesh.

I wonder if I will feel this way when Michael is obviously the man on the boat. Maybe it's Walt. I think seeing Michael again would be great, but it's been so blunt. "Next week, see someone you never expected to see again!" I said to my friends, "Well it must not be Michael because I completely expected to see him again!" Shit, Harold Perrineau has been in the credits for weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 07, 2008, 08:36:21 AM
The pattern continues of following a legendary episode with a lackluster one. 

They didn't explain why Juliet didn't like Ben BEFORE the plane crash.  In her first episode (season 3 premiere, I think) with the book club, she was already annoyed at Ben.  "I guess I'm out of the book club."  This episode showed us her reasons for hating Ben AFTER the crash. 

In general, the timelines all seemed out of whack.  Juliet was supposed to be there for 6 months but hasn't she been there for 3 years or so at the time of the crash?  So she'd be pissed at Ben by then.  But in this episode, she's politely refusing his schoolboy advances until he drops the bomb on her and says, "I own you, bitch!"  Something doesn't add up. 

And Harper... really?  Have they learned NOTHING from Nikki and Paulo?  I imagine that she's gonna get whacked real soon (if, in fact, she hasn't been already) because there's A) no reason to like her; and B) there's no reason for the character to exist.  Did Goodwin need to be married?  Furthermore, did he need to be married to a frigid shrewish "see you Next Tuesday"?  They could have just sent Cindy the flight attendant to tell Juliet what's up and then shown us an uncomplicated love story between Juliet and Goodwin, with jealous Ben planning Goodwin's death.  It would have served the same function and saved us from a shitty new character who's "always been there" and who is probably going to just die soon anyway.

Interesting episode in general but they need some course correction.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 07, 2008, 09:48:17 AM
yep total filler.  what did we learn that we didn't know last week?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 07, 2008, 09:51:30 AM
Juliet (to Jack): "You don't want to know my story."

Me (to the TV): "You're probably right."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 07, 2008, 10:11:39 AM
um what's the deal w/ the asian dude? he's had that grenade in his mouth for two weeks!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 07, 2008, 10:21:52 AM
Claire's conversation with Locke about Miles was just awful.

Claire: What about that Asian guy you've got locked up?  Can I talk to him to find out what's going on on that boat?
Locke: Who's the master?
Claire: Sho Nuff!
Locke: No, you can't talk to the Asian guy.
Claire: OK.

Claire goes back to folding laundry.

:doh:

And do we really believe that Widmore's ONLY reason for finding the island is to turn it into a cross between Lourdes and Jurassic Park?

I read that the episode was written by the Cloverfield guy and, not surprisingly, one of the co-writers of Jack's Shitty Tattoo.  She's got two strikes.  One more dud and she's gotta go.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 07, 2008, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: ©bradatouille on March 07, 2008, 10:11:39 AM
um what's the deal w/ the asian dude? he's had that grenade in his mouth for two weeks!

hilarious... i was thinking about that too.

i agree this was not good compared to what we saw the first episodes of the season, especially last one. i'm not sure why they do these things knowing that their audience pays more attention to detail than any other tv show in history. of course we all know michael is coming back, so who is that teaser for? why didnt they keep it a secret then? and everyone remembers that juliet seemed to be pissed of at ben already when the plane crashed, so that was weird.

i liked the ben/locke moments, even if they were not a great in this episode as others.

i enjoy a bad episode of lost more than any other show anyways, but we have so few episodes left that they need to step up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 08, 2008, 03:38:47 AM
The thing that really bothered me about that episode was that none of Faraday and Charlotte's actions made any sense, motivation-wise.  At any point in that episode, they could have said to someone, "Hey, there's this station on the island that has poison gas tanks that Ben could use to kill us all later on, and we want to go shut it down so he can't do that," and everyone would have said, "Great, I'll pack the trail mix!"  Seriously, was there ANY good reason for them to keep it a secret?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on March 08, 2008, 03:45:29 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 08, 2008, 03:38:47 AM
The thing that really bothered me about that episode was that none of Faraday and Charlotte's actions made any sense, motivation-wise.  At any point in that episode, they could have said to someone, "Hey, there's this station on the island that has poison gas tanks that Ben could use to kill us all later on, and we want to go shut it down so he can't do that," and everyone would have said, "Great, I'll pack the trail mix!"  Seriously, was there ANY good reason for them to keep it a secret?

There was no good reason that I can think of. All I can hope is that there is mucho payoff from this episode in the future. It's amazing that an episode this terribly written and directed could get by. You'd think at some point during the creative process someone would say, "hey, this doesn't make any fucking sense."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on March 08, 2008, 04:13:51 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 08, 2008, 03:38:47 AM
The thing that really bothered me about that episode was that none of Faraday and Charlotte's actions made any sense, motivation-wise.  At any point in that episode, they could have said to someone, "Hey, there's this station on the island that has poison gas tanks that Ben could use to kill us all later on, and we want to go shut it down so he can't do that," and everyone would have said, "Great, I'll pack the trail mix!"  Seriously, was there ANY good reason for them to keep it a secret?

i know what you're saying and this has been my main (and only) problem with the show.  too many times have we seen characters in the know really start to talk about the truth of the island, and we think we're about to get some real answers, but then said character says some cliched line that ends the convo. such as "you don't wanna know the real truth". or whatever.. i always find myself saying "slap him around! make 'em tell you what's really up!!" but it never happens.

i know they're doing it to drag it out and slowly answer questions, but god damn it's annoying... a little realism please.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 08, 2008, 05:14:40 PM
I didn't love the episode, but what was interesting to me was the fact that (intentionally or not) this was really not about Juliet, but about Ben. I now fear him more than ever, he's even sicker than what I thought before. That was what made it for me. And it's true, a lesser Lost is still quite entertaining anyway, but I have to agree: the writing was kind of lame...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 10, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
damn, i never noticed before that henry gales balloon was from "widmore labs"

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.lostpedia.com%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd9%2FHenry_gale%2527s_balloon.gif&hash=489963294225cebee54149ee5ecfbdecc4d0ed85)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 11, 2008, 01:43:40 AM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi35.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd179%2Fpolkablues%2Fsmall_ToyStory-Aliens2.jpg&hash=66547a5569374520e16502953bfcb628b112dba2)
OOOOOOOooo....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 11, 2008, 09:31:29 AM
Prediction (which I have attempted to white-out just in case it does turn out to be true and people want to remain completely unspoiled even though this is just pure speculation on my part even though it does make a lot of sense):
...and that we've all all figured it out already. Thursday's episode is where we find out who is Ben's man-on-the-boat. And odds are on Michael. We all know he's going to be back anyway. So yeah, it's him. Although, I will be very impressed with the writers if it turns out NOT to be him. That'll will be a good ride, but realistically, it ain't going to happen. Anywho - judging by the previews for this week's ep it's going to deal with Sun quite a bit too. And this makes sense with the Michael revelation, cos there was always that kinda link between the two of them. And of course, the producers have hinted that we'll find out who the finally member(s) of the Oceanic Six are by the end of this episode too. I had previously discounted Sun since we've basically seen fuck all of her this season, but yeah, the previews --- she's going to be one to the Six. And then the question(s) remains: does that bring the total to 6? Or is there someone else as well? If so, sounds like that'll be wrapped up this ep too. And there, quite honestly I'm at a loss. I would like to think that Jin makes it off the island with Sun, but realistically I don't think so. He'll probably wind up sacrificing himself for the greater good. Maybe Sun pairs up with Michael post-island, but that's not her character. Which leaves me with two less positive theories. 1: That Ben takes Sun under his wing off the island, and that he does in fact pose as a survivor and so is actually one of the Six. Or, 2: Knowing it's his lot to be stuck on the island forever, Michael asks Sun to look after Walt when she leaves the island. To be honest, I don't know if that's likely either, given Walt's "connection" to the island, and to Locke. So basically, I have no idea, but didn't realize it until I wrote it all down, but wasn't that fun kids?

And another thing which I only just remembered from either last week's episode or some interview I've read in the interim - someone mentioned something about the unique properties of the island causing growth spurts after leaving the island which conveniently tidies up the whole Aaron as a freakishly large child, and Walt's unfriendly-to-TV puberty.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 11, 2008, 11:27:57 AM
i'm curious how they're gonna pull off a michael flashback with walt being as old as he is now.

i'm pretty sure everyone agrees that michael is on the freighter. what would make me respect the writers more though is if michael was on the freighter, but WASN'T ben's man. i think the creators have been tight lipped about aaron being one of the oceanic six to make you believe that jin is in peril, but i think in the end they'll both make it off.(i hope)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 11, 2008, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 11, 2008, 11:27:57 AM
i think the creators have been tight lipped about aaron being one of the oceanic six to make you believe that jin is in peril, but i think in the end they'll both make it off.(i hope)

I don't think they'll both make it off.  But I do agree that Aaron isn't one of the real Oceanic Six.  He may be in the characters' world but there are still two more people from the flight that officially made it off.  Either Sun or Jin will make it off and I'm guessing Locke will be the last one of the Six, obviously against his will.  I can't imagine a bigger shocker than that.  They did say that episode 8 (the last one before the stirke) would leave us on a muther of a cliffhanger; I think it's going to be Locke in a wheelchair on the mainland. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 11, 2008, 03:24:53 PM
Completely random theory, but I was thinking about how obvious it's going to be when Michael's revealed in this week's episode, that I started to think about what if it were a trick from the writers. What if it actually isn't Michael on the boat, or if he is on the boat, isn't the "man" on the boat? If that's the case, I bet it's the lady from the Tailies that mysteriously disappeared. At the very least, we still have yet to see what happened to any of the taken Tailies.

I've been slowly rewatching the entire show on DVD, and I just finished season 2. Crazy how much sense it makes now with the fourth season revealing so much. For instance, Ben gave Michael exact coordinates saying to follow them exactly, and that Michael'd never find the island once he left, and Penny's crew seeing the island pop into existence after the hatch blows up. Maybe the writers had the time hole idea in mind all along...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 11, 2008, 03:40:45 PM
Announcing publicly at COMICCON that Michael was coming back was the stupidest thing they ever did, or maybe the smartest. Everyone expects to see Michael and thats why it sucks that we all know who the man on the boat is, and who these fucking previews are talking about. But what if that is wrong??

We all know Michael will be in this episode, but what if he was part of Sun's flash-forward and not right there? That would be amazing. But then who the fuck can be in that boat? I mean, the other people who are not in the show anymore are dead, aren't they? Boone, Ecko, Paulo, Ethan, Goodwin, all dead... the russian is not dead actually cause he killed Charlie but he probably survived like he did 10 times before. So can it be him? It wouldnt be as exciting but its possible. So who the fuck?

Seriously if that person is not Michael and its someone we are not expecting for real, I will love Lost more than ever. And if I see Michael in Sun's flash-forward after she gets off the island without Jin, fucking genius.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 11, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
Quote from: kal on March 11, 2008, 03:40:45 PM
Seriously if that person is not Michael and its someone we are not expecting for real, I will love Lost more than ever. And if I see Michael in Sun's flash-forward after she gets off the island without Jin, fucking genius.

i think youre gonna be disappointed.

the truth is, the average viewer of this show will be totally surprised by michael's revealing. i was talking to my dad the other day and suggested the possibility of michael being on the boat and his mind was blown. most people don't digest all the online speculation and interviews.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 12, 2008, 12:37:44 AM
You could be right... but Lost fans are probably the ones more involved in this shit than any other show... so who knows.

I just read some stuff on Ask Ausiello... SPOILERS. Here it is:

Question: I need to know who is on that boat on Lost! — Kelly
Ausiello: Well, Kelly, there's Sayid and Desmonds (1996 and 2004 editions) and the corpse of Fisher Stevens and some guy named Keamey... and I know that's not who you mean, but the identity of Ben's boat buddy is one scoop that Team Darlton is not letting slip, at least not until tomorrow night. In the meantime, try this Lost head-scratcher on for size: I have it on good authority that an upcoming, post-strike episode features both a pair of Arabic-speaking, horseback-riding Bedouins and a luxury doorman of British extraction. Without knowing whether it's a flashback or flash-forward, whose episode could that be? I had an extra bowl of crazy this morning, so I'm going with a consciousness-imploding guess: Charles Widmore, who is: A) a shadowy figure who has been coming into focus in recent weeks, B) a rich British dude and C) perhaps interested in those polar bear skeletons Charlotte found in the deserts of Tunisia, no? Any more sane guesses?

Ausiello: You know that series-regular death I alluded to a few weeks back? Well, tomorrow night's the night! But riddle me this, Lost fans: When is a death not a death, but a brand-new mystery all its own? Meanwhile, I was going to close this week's column by revealing the identity of the remaining members of Lost's super-cool clique, the Oceanic Six, but most of you seem to have it already figured out: *o* *a* *** **e **l* **** *i***.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 13, 2008, 08:45:29 PM
Gosh this whole ''We now answer the questions'' thing really sucks. It feels rushed and fake. The new characters seem to be answer providers and not actual human beings.

I had wished Lost would remain a mystery without an answer. The Prisoner got it right, Twin Peaks got it right. Lost had it right but now it's getting more and more like Alias or whatever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 13, 2008, 09:04:06 PM
spoilers i guess
aw what the fuck. that didn't/doesn't need to happen.

i guess i'm okay with the way Michael showed up. It was campy and funny. Better than him just walking up and saying hi or making a huge deal out of it.

i'm retro-adopting Bernard to be the grandpa i never had

the first half of this episode was absolutely nothing until captain exposition showed up, and then we still didn't really learn anything we don't already kind of know. overall not that great. but that ending. wtf.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on March 13, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
Didn't that just prove the Jin isn't dead? Wasn't the death date 9/22/04 which was the same as the plane crash? If so then they're just sticking to the cover story that 8 or so survived the crash and 2 died on the island before the Oceanic 6 were rescued.

Jin just chose to be one of those that staid behind.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 13, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
Missed the dates on the grave. But figured early on Jin's were flashbacks. Was it just me or did not a lot really happen that ep? Disappointed that Michael was he man on the boat. Cool that Ben staged the fake crash, honestly didn't see that coming (stupid as I may be) but it figures - good on him! Most interesting thing was the freighter folk are going crazy, prob lots more on that. What say we forget Jack and Kate, and just focus on Sayid and Desmond from now on?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 14, 2008, 12:12:10 AM
That sound you heard was the collective yell of BITCH! aimed at Juliet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 14, 2008, 08:32:01 AM
Quote from: Raikus on March 13, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
Didn't that just prove the Jin isn't dead? Wasn't the death date 9/22/04 which was the same as the plane crash? If so then they're just sticking to the cover story that 8 or so survived the crash and 2 died on the island before the Oceanic 6 were rescued.

Jin just chose to be one of those that staid behind.

Between Aaron being away from Claire and Sun talking to Jin's grave as if he's dead, I think that the Oceanic Six think everyone else is dead.  It just seems odd to me that Sun would go to Jin's grave to talk to him if she knew he was still alive.  Hurley's comment of "Should we go see him?" makes me think that even more.  Why would he say that if they both knew he was still alive?

But of course, we're assuming that everyone on the island isn't really dead.

I still think Locke is going to wind up on the mainland somewhere.


Quote from: Sleepless on March 13, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
What say we forget Jack and Kate, and just focus on Sayid and Desmond from now on?

Agreed.  They're the new Jack Bauer and Tony Almeida.  Without all the killing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 14, 2008, 09:38:55 AM
WAITAMINUTE.  when i watched the episode i was under the impression that Jin was still alive but had his mind wiped Desmond style and Sun believed he was dead because of some kind of coverup.  was his actually a flashback?!?  i am really slow. even though i figured Jin was not headed for Sun i had no idea it was a flashback.  the LOST team still manages to pull the rug out.   :bravo:

SO WHO ARE THE SIX?!

jack
kate
hurley
sayid
sun
and who?

SUPER SPOILERS FROM THE PROMO
so who's going to die next week?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 14, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
OK, so these last two episodes, even though they had their moments, weren't that great. That's a shame, because thing were really getting interesting. I didn't mind about the exposition, I've found it nice, but the whole flashback of Jin and everything... It was just there to fuck us up, and added nothing to the story. Anyway, I think (hope!) they're just taking a deep breath and bring us someting great in the next few episodes. Michael was predictable (maybe because of all of you saying so for the last weeks) but can get interesting in the future and, well, this was probably my least favorite Lost episode, but it's that old story: even if it's not that good, it's still Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 14, 2008, 12:54:55 PM
so many questions about michael... next week should be great.

i love how they turn once secondary characters into major players. michael was my least favorite character from the first season, but they're really turning his story into something interesting.

jack has really taken a backseat this season
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on March 14, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 14, 2008, 12:54:55 PM
jack has really taken a backseat this season

good
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 14, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on March 14, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
OK, so these last two episodes, even though they had their moments, weren't that great. That's a shame, because thing were really getting interesting. I didn't mind about the exposition, I've found it nice, but the whole flashback of Jin and everything... It was just there to fuck us up, and added nothing to the story. Anyway, I think (hope!) they're just taking a deep breath and bring us someting great in the next few episodes. Michael was predictable (maybe because of all of you saying so for the last weeks) but can get interesting in the future and, well, this was probably my least favorite Lost episode, but it's that old story: even if it's not that good, it's still Lost.

we can't expect every episode to be of the same jaw-dropping caliber as the season 3 finale. that would actually get old quick-like. i like that some episodes are quieter than others and i enjoyed last night's, although i wish they gave us a little more boat time but i guess that's coming next week. 

and yeah michael was obvious to you and me and every other lostfreak out there but for the casual viewing audience who don't have lostpedia bookmarked on their internet browsers but are still fans, it was probably very shocking. the 4 people i watched it with were plenty whoa'd.

it was great to see michael again. this is a long shot i know, but what if next week we get michael's flashback of what the hell he's been up to for a season and a half, and what if they actually shot this sequence at the end of season 2 before puberty took hold of little walty, knowing that they would use it later on? that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 14, 2008, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: modage on March 14, 2008, 09:38:55 AM
SO WHO ARE THE SIX?!

jack
kate
hurley
sayid
sun
and who?

I'm telling you guys, it's Locke.  They want us to think Aaron counts but it's Locke.  Hurley and Aaron were both in Locke's camp and they were rescued.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 14, 2008, 02:08:34 PM
on the podcast, Lindelof and Cuse said by the end of this episode we would know the identity of the six.  and since Locke hasn't been shown off the island that rules him out.  that means either it's Aaron, Ben, or Michael. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 14, 2008, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: modage on March 14, 2008, 02:08:34 PM
on the podcast, Lindelof and Cuse said by the end of this episode we would know the identity of the six.  and since Locke hasn't been shown off the island that rules him out.  that means either it's Aaron, Ben, or Michael. 

thats what i thought... but he may be bluffing... the thing is we have some important characters who may get off the island and where not on the flight, so they would not be part of the oceanic six... ben, desmond, juliet... who knows what the fuck is happening!

i liked the episode... and i think jin is alive. it seems really strange but maybe they know they are being WATCHED constantly so thats why the whole thing of going to the cemetery and all its on purpose...?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 14, 2008, 03:03:20 PM
i suppose aaron would count as one of the oceanic six, they remained tight lipped about it because if he had been confirmed as one of the six, then the whole jin flashback/fakeout thing wouldn't have worked.

don't you find it strange that now, according to sun's story, in order for jin to be the father, sun would have had to be impregnated before the plane took off. however, kate is claiming aaron to be her biological son, meaning she got pregnant AND gave birth on the island. isn't there a major time disconnect there?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on March 14, 2008, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow on March 14, 2008, 01:45:06 PM
I'm telling you guys, it's Locke.  They want us to think Aaron counts but it's Locke. 

... who later on loses his legs and ends up in a small coffin?    
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 14, 2008, 03:10:33 PM
oh also: it could be jin if he actually got off the island and then died.  its ben only if he faked his way into one of the other passengers identities (biggest bullshit), aaron (mini-bullshit since he wasn't born yet) or Michael (depending on what he's been up to).  Juliet or Desmond or anybody else might make it off the island but they wouldnt be one of the Six because they werent on Oceanic 815.  (which should rule out Ben).  whenever the new podcast goes up we will have our answer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on March 14, 2008, 03:17:54 PM
most importantly though, who wanted to punch Juliette last night?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 14, 2008, 03:19:10 PM
i want to punch her every night.  last night was just further validation of that impulse.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on March 14, 2008, 03:42:54 PM
i want to *fuck* Juliet




...with a screwdriver
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 14, 2008, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: modage on March 14, 2008, 03:10:33 PM
oh also: it could be jin if he actually got off the island and then died.  its ben only if he faked his way into one of the other passengers identities (biggest bullshit), aaron (mini-bullshit since he wasn't born yet) or Michael (depending on what he's been up to).  Juliet or Desmond or anybody else might make it off the island but they wouldnt be one of the Six because they werent on Oceanic 815. 

definitely can't be jin, his grave says he died the day of the crash 9/22/04.  i don't think michael will be one due to the assumed identity he's taken. no one on the boat thinks of him as a passenger on 815 (yet). 

somehow i get the feeling that desmond doesn't make it off the island. the desmond/penny reunion seems too much like season 6 material.

Quote from: pozer on March 14, 2008, 03:17:54 PM
most importantly though, who wanted to punch Juliette last night?

to play devils advocate, she just did what she had to do. it was fucked up, but it was necessary.  does anyone else wonder if juliet is blind to the whole "time" issue on the island? i wonder if her assessment as to how long sun was pregnant was incorrect due to this.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 14, 2008, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on March 13, 2008, 08:45:29 PM
Twin Peaks got it right.

twin peaks fucked up, big time. the 8 or more episodes that aired after the reveal were pretty bad, before they created a new mystery, but by then it was too late.

Quote from: modage on March 14, 2008, 09:38:55 AM
SUPER SPOILERS FROM THE PROMO
so who's going to die next week?

i hope it's michael. i'd love it if they brought him back to kill him off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 14, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
what a horrrrribly written episode. i absolutely hated the fact that Jin's flashback ultimately meant nothing.  that's dirty pool, lost. the Michael reveal was cool, though. despite being obvious. for a split second i confused the woman in chains with Libby. THAT would've been unexpected.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 14, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz on March 14, 2008, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: modage on March 14, 2008, 09:38:55 AM
SUPER SPOILERS FROM THE PROMO
so who's going to die next week?

i hope it's michael. i'd love it if they brought him back to kill him off.

That would be great. But ultimately worthless. Any other ideas? I bet it's Claire. I mean, who have we been seeing more of than usual lately? Sayid could be out for blood and throw Michael off the boat.

Quote from: picolas on March 14, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
what a horrrrribly written episode. i absolutely hated the fact that Jin's flashback ultimately meant nothing.  that's dirty pool, lost. the Michael reveal was cool, though. despite being obvious. for a split second i confused the woman in chains with Libby. THAT would've been unexpected.

That's funny, because when the captain came out, I was like, "GOODWIN?!?!??????" and my friend squeezed my arm, but it wasn't and I felt a little foolish.

I think the whole circumstances of Jin's death are obvious in one regard. Sun and Hurley are part of the Oceanic Six. We're not that far into the future (before Hurley goes bonkers, I'd assume?). They are probably being watched, or suspect it. Listen to their language. They know Jin isn't dead, but want to create the facade of being in mourning. Hurley doesn't seem morose or solemn, he even cracks a smile. I think they're taking the Oceanic Six charade to an extreme by going to this to "talk" to Jin. She talks about missing him only, and you can just see that she knows he's still alive. He is not in that grave. He's back on the island.

This next episode is supposed to be a big one. Cuse and Lindelof have said it's a mother of a cliffhanger.

PS Sun made me cry. Talk about firsts.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 15, 2008, 07:35:58 AM
Quote from: picolas on March 14, 2008, 06:36:55 PMfor a split second i confused the woman in chains with Libby. THAT would've been unexpected.

That shit happened to me too. Then I realized it was Zoe Bell and she was finally going to do some stunting (other than talking on the radio/phone thingy).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 15, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on March 15, 2008, 07:35:58 AM
Quote from: picolas on March 14, 2008, 06:36:55 PMfor a split second i confused the woman in chains with Libby. THAT would've been unexpected.

That shit happened to me too. Then I realized it was Zoe Bell and she was finally going to do some stunting (other than talking on the radio/phone thingy).

And holding a book upside down.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 15, 2008, 06:46:09 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 15, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on March 15, 2008, 07:35:58 AM
Quote from: picolas on March 14, 2008, 06:36:55 PMfor a split second i confused the woman in chains with Libby. THAT would've been unexpected.

That shit happened to me too. Then I realized it was Zoe Bell and she was finally going to do some stunting (other than talking on the radio/phone thingy).

And holding a book upside down.

Yeah, what the hell was up with that. Everyone on that boat is nutts... Nice!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 16, 2008, 07:16:27 PM
i love that this thread has been so active.. have we ever had so many board members posting after every week's episode?

the last two haven't been stellar, but epi 6 was far worse than this episode, and neither were soo bad. its still the best season ever.. even though we all saw the michael thing coming for a long time now, i still thought it was too cool.

what are we going to do during the mini-hiatus?!?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 16, 2008, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: JG on March 16, 2008, 07:16:27 PM
what are we going to do during the mini-hiatus?!?
Buy the new episodes off of itunes, watch youtube for new videos and wait impatiently. Great to see Zoe Bell in this past episode and Harold P back again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 17, 2008, 08:20:54 AM
Quote from: JG on March 16, 2008, 07:16:27 PM
what are we going to do during the mini-hiatus?!?


Battlestar Galactica.

Quote from: modage on January 06, 2008, 02:59:58 PM
according to the new Entertainment Weekly Season 4 begins Friday April 4th at 10pm.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 21, 2008, 07:16:49 AM
SPOILERS

Judging by the lack of a bombardment of posts, maybe I'm not the only one. I think this episode mistook surprises with good writing. The structure of the episode was incredibly clunky. At the end, when we suddenly go back to the island we haven't seen since the beginning of the episode, I had totally forgotten they were even going to the Temple. Michael's storyline wasn't that interesting. It's a lot of what we had basically guessed until this point, and even then it was boring to me. They could've written in a little bit more to keep us with them so the shock of their deaths had more weight. When they said a cliffhanger, I thought it was with Michael, not Ben's daughter, who was in the episode for about 3 minutes.

I think I only feel this way because they tried to hype it up as being a bit of a cliffhanger, even though it wasn't meant to be originally, but the strike forced it into one.

Also, we now know why Kate isn't Mr. Friendly's type. (Hahaha I remember reading some fucked up theory about clones and the reason he said that is because Kate was a clone and he didn't like clones.)

RIP Rouster.....and Carl (thank fucking god).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 21, 2008, 08:48:56 AM
totally agree.

:yabbse-thumbdown: :yabbse-thumbdown:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 21, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on March 21, 2008, 07:16:49 AM
Also, we now know why Kate isn't Mr. Friendly's type. (Hahaha I remember reading some fucked up theory about clones and the reason he said that is because Kate was a clone and he didn't like clones.)


:lol: Clones? What the hell? It was a very funny moment with Mr. Friendly.

The episode: Improvement over last week's episode, even though that wasn't very difficult, but overall, not that great, making it three consecutive not so great Lost episodes. Michael's story was mildly interesting, I guess, but not very surprising, and I agree about the structure of it, I mean, what the hell kind of ending was that? It was strange and everything, but it's not like it blew me away. To this point, Alex and Danielle and Carl aren't strong enough characters to close an episode and make me fear about them. But the question remains: who were the ones shooting at them? And why did I really want to punch Sayid in the face?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 21, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
spoils

i don't think the episode was really suppose to be a great cliffhanger to keep us guessing during the mini-hiatus, just the ending to an episode. it was fair.

this and last week's episodes were, unlike juliet's epi, totally necessary - just not that excellent. i actually liked this episode. i'm glad to have michael back. i think his arc is an important one to the show. the island disallowing you from doing certain things is a great twist, and an important one too. the deeper we get, locke's seemingly irrational behavior during the past few years is justified. its his show i think.

i agree that writing of this episode was clunky. i made a joke during the episode about how funny it would be if at the end of the episode they just cut back to sayid and he said, "so THAT is what you've been doing all the time." they pretty much did just that. at the end of the episode when they were in the jungle, i said "man, they should kill karl right now." and they did! its my show i think.

i thought they were going to tackle the issue of walt and puberty this episode! its still one of the great mysteries of the show.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 21, 2008, 11:12:47 AM
for the buildup of bringing michael back, i needed more.  the episode should've been 2 hours.  cut between real boat/island time and flashbacks.  and the flashbacks needed to start with michael and walt on the boat sailing away from the island trying to follow the coordinates.  show them getting rescued, show michael confessing to walt, and walt turning away.  show them have to hide and lie when they rejoin society.  hour 2: michael wants to commit suicide and goes back to the island.  the 'guilt' thing is a bit weak and obvious.  carl should not have been touted as SOMEONE WILL DIE!  and i don't think rousseau is dead.  we knew zeke was gay, and he's not as good at expository dialogue as ben is. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 21, 2008, 11:30:13 AM
Haha, I agree with everyone. Not a great episode but still important. It does feel like a bit of a letdown considering this is really Michael's return episode - other than the "The Island won't let you" aspect his flashback wasn't awesome or anything. I hope Karl isn't the death they've been touting - I have to assume they killed Rousseau, since that's have at least SOME impact. Either way, Ben is quickly becoming the most interesting character in the show. And the cliffhanger for me isn't what will happen to what's-her-name, but what will happen to Michael. The captain didn't show much of a reaction to Sayid's claim...and I guess he has no reason to trust Desmond and Sayid...so who knows.

Quote from: JG on March 21, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
spoils
i made a joke during the episode about how funny it would be if at the end of the episode they just cut back to sayid and he said, "so THAT is what you've been doing all the time." they pretty much did just that.

I had that exact same thought when it cut back to the three of them. Damn that was awkward.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 21, 2008, 12:25:17 PM
it was uneven, but there were some great moments. i loved ben's reaction when finding out michael actually armed the bomb.

cool to see minkowski back, but no zoe bell? rousseau's death seemed really out of character for her. i can't believe she would make that mistake, unless being around her daughter affects her judgement that much, which i suppose it could.  i was really hoping for a rousseau flashback at some point, perhaps there'll still be one (an alex flashback?)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 21, 2008, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: JG on March 21, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
spoils

this and last week's episodes were, unlike juliet's epi, totally necessary

The thing about Juliette's episode is that it striked me as really a Ben episode more than anything. Without that episode, I would have been totally convinced today that Ben was one of the good guys, but remembering that scene with Juliette when he said "You're mine!" also reminded me how fucking creepy that guy is. So who knows?

Quote from: JG on March 21, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
i thought they were going to tackle the issue of walt and puberty this episode! its still one of the great mysteries of the show.

Judging personal experience and my young brother's current life, I'd say puberty is one of the great mysteries of the world.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 21, 2008, 06:52:28 PM
Hahaha.

Was that a Walt ringer in the window???
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on March 21, 2008, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on March 21, 2008, 06:52:28 PM
Hahaha.

Was that a Walt ringer in the window???

It certainly looked like it, eheheh.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 23, 2008, 05:50:21 PM
i was wondering how they were going to skirt the whole issue of walt being older in the flashbacks, looks like they just ommitted it altogether.

so that puts the boat out there for less than a month, no way people are killing themselves due to "cabin fever" after one month
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 23, 2008, 08:58:22 PM
Writing is going down down down... characters now just do stuff to make the story work instead of just living. They aren't human beings anymore but merely characters. Their actions are only dependent on what is the simplest way to make the story work.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 25, 2008, 01:01:46 AM
Lost To Wrap Up In April

Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, co-executive producers of ABC's Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the current season's final batch of new episodes will unspool a story arc based on a plan devised in anticipation of the writers' strike.

"The last two weeks before the strike, we actually sat down and said, 'Here is what we want to tell for the rest of the season,'" Kitsis said in an interview. "We all sat down, and the entire staff came up with a battle plan in place."

When Lost returns in late April, it will wrap up the fourth season with five episodes, three fewer than planned before the strike took place. "We got to tell a little more story this season than we anticipated," Kitsis said. "It's really worked out well. We came back from the strike, and everyone is just really excited, and I have to say, creatively, every day has been a pleasure. Everything we're doing right now is exciting, and every script that is going out, you're jealous if you didn't write it."

As for the missing episodes? "I feel that the three missing episodes will be made up over the course of the next two seasons," Horowitz said. "Seasons four, five and six are meant to encompass 48 episodes."

Kitsis added: "I have a feeling it will mean more, like, two-hour shows as opposed to more episodes, but those are decisions above our pay grade."

Season four has so far been marked with a continuation of the "flash-forward" storytelling technique introduced in the finale of season three. "This just seemed like the most interesting way to tell the rest of the story of the show," Kitsis said. "When we realized that we were only going to do three more seasons, it enabled us to starting thinking a little more out of the box in how we want to tell the remaining story that was left. The flash-forwards are, I think, just a great way to keep the show energized and tell the story in an interesting way. It was a brilliant idea by [executive producer] Damon [Lindelof]."

Lost returns with new episodes on April 24 in its new Thursday timeslot at 10 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2008, 12:26:32 AM
New Lost Episode Teased

ABC released information about "The Shape of Things to Come," the next original episode of its SF series Lost, which returns later this month in a new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

In the episode,
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Locke (Terry O'Quinn) sees his camp come under attack, while Jack (Matthew Fox) tries to discover the identity of a body that has washed ashore, ABC said.

The new episode--the first of five that will wrap up the strike-truncated fourth season--will feature guest stars Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Sam Anderson as Bernard, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Marc Vann as doctor, Kevin Durand as Keamy, Yetide Badaki as desk clerk, Kaveh Kardan as merchant, Faran Tahir as Ishmael Bakir and Sean Douglas Hoban as Doug.


"The Shape of Things to Come" debuts on April 24.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 08, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
What?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcatQSyRK6c
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 08, 2008, 06:54:32 PM
LOL! People spend their time in straaaange ways...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 10, 2008, 01:50:07 AM
Additional Lost Due This Year?

TV Guide Online columnist Michael Ausiello reported a rumor that ABC may order an additional hour of Lost this season, which would bring the total number of hours produced to 14.

Citing an anonymous source, Ausiello reported that the additional hour has not been sealed with the network.

As it stands, Lost is slated to return with the first of five new episodes on April 24 in its new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

The strike-truncated fourth season was slated to end with a season finale on May 22; it's unclear where an additional hour of the SF series would air.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 11, 2008, 01:22:23 PM
THIS ARTICLE IS ALL MINOR SPOILERS -- AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLE

'Lost': Secrets from the Set! (ew.com): ShowHide

Life on the Oahu set of Lost isn't always a day at the beach. On this sweltering March afternoon, for example, ABC's cult hit about castaways on a time-warped tropical isle has chosen to shoot in...a rock quarry. Amount of fun currently being had: Zero. The horses are jumpy from machine-gun fire. Executive producer Jack Bender is directing with an ice pack to his face after walking into a crane. And Michael Emerson — a.k.a. Benjamin Linus, the show's villainous über-Other — is broiled, thanks to his curious wardrobe requirement: a woolly winter parka.

''Definitely a no-glamour zone,'' says Emerson during a brief respite from shooting Lost's first episode since the writers' strike interrupted production last November. ''I thought we would ease into things. Instead, I get this all-Ben extravaganza: combat, riding horses, foreign languages. And piano playing! All waaaay outside my comfort zone. How can you work two weeks and feel like you need a vacation already?''

Some sympathy for Lost's biggest devil? Not a polar bear's chance in Tunisia. Besides, there's crucial work to be done. You'll start seeing it on April 24, when Lost returns with the first of five fresh episodes that will wrap up its buzzy, strike-abbreviated fourth season. EW spent three days on the set of the drama, and judging from the looks of things — like the corpse that washes up on the sandy shores of Camp Jack and the raging gunfight that will decimate Camp Locke — the first episode back, ominously titled ''The Shape of Things to Come,'' will launch the endgame with downright apocalyptic thunder. The ensuing four installments will answer some of the season's biggest questions: How did the much-vaunted Oceanic 6 leave the Island? What happened to those left behind? Why is Sayid (Naveen Andrews) killing people for Ben in the future? And who's rotting inside that darn coffin? ''It's big and epic,'' promises Matthew Fox (Jack). ''Our first eight episodes, by design, were all set up for these episodes to come. That we're doing just five instead of eight means they're even more packed with plot. It's payoff time.'' More momentously, the finale — whose Big Twist is code-named ''Frozen Donkey Wheel'' — will set the stage for another series reinvention. Citing the seventh Harry Potter book, in which J.K. Rowling broke her usual year-at-Hogwarts template, executive producer Damon Lindelof says, ''We're taking the same approach. You think the show is, 'Okay, they're on the Island, and then — whoosh — you're in the past or the future.' By the end of season 4, I think the audience is going to go, 'How can the show continue to be that?' And they are absolutely right.''

Camp Locke is actually Camp Erdman in real life, a YMCA facility on Oahu's North Shore. On this rain-splashed afternoon, a couple dozen day campers sit on the grass, waiting to watch Lost blow up one of their cabins. As the explosives get rigged, the man who plays con-artist bad boy Sawyer, Josh Holloway, gamely takes questions. One boy shares how his mother, a big Lost fan, talks about the show so incessantly that he has to cover his ears and beg her to stop. The kids laugh, and so does Holloway, but the camp counselor is embarrassed. ''Now, remember,'' she scolds. ''Respectful questions.''

The stars of Lost have heard worse, especially last year when they were put in the awkward position of answering harsh criticism about how Lost had lost its way. ''When you came out here last season, I remember I didn't talk to you,'' Andrews tells an EW writer, ''because if all you have to say is something negative, why talk at all?'' Asked where he thought season 3 went wrong, Andrews smiles. ''Well, I wasn't in it much, so that's flaw number one, without sounding ridiculously arrogant,'' laughs the actor, whose Sayid was truly underutilized. ''A lot of us didn't know which way the show was going, and I'm not sure the writers did, either. They seemed to be meandering in the dark. But it's good now. We're on track.''

So how did they find the light? By negotiating the death of Lost itself. Last May, the show's guiding hands, Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, reached a deal with ABC to end the series in 2010 after three 16-episode seasons; as a result, Lost's storytellers have been able to bring structure and focus to their saga. It began with last year's bravura finale, which brought the promise of rescue and introduced ''flash-forward'' storytelling into the mix. Fox — who was the only actor besides Evangeline Lilly (Kate) privy to the episode's it's-not-a-flashback twist — recalls barely being able to keep the secret from the rest of the cast. ''I knew it would take Lost to the next level,'' he says.

Season 4 has gone even further with new twists, new characters, and a new forward-moving, future-revealing mythology. Front and center are the Oceanic 6, a privileged clutch of castaways — Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun (Yunjin Kim), Hurley (Jorge Garcia), and baby Aaron — who have somehow, someway escaped the Island. ''I think this flash-forward business is a stroke of genius,'' says Emerson. ''I think everybody here feels that we are now a more mature show, that we are now a show for grown-ups, because we're going to see that like in life, there may not be happy endings for many of us on this Island.''

At the very least, Lost has become a show no longer dogged by skepticism that its producers lack a master plan. ''The question of 'Do you guys know where you're going?' kind of evaporated,'' says Cuse. ''People are no longer fearful that they're going to be led like lemmings to a cliff edge and plunge off.'' Nobody is more thrilled than the cast; across the board, their enthusiasm — and, in some cases, relief — is palpable. ''Now, the story carries everything and we're just players in it, which I like,'' says Holloway. ''The writers can be concise. I like that, too.'' Adds Fox: ''Our writers have always said we needed an end in order to start ripping. Now, we're ripping.''

This isn't to say that season 4 has been perfect. After hitting a high-water mark with ''The Constant,'' a deftly plotted, unabashedly romantic time-travel yarn that ended with Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) finally making contact with soul mate Penelope Widmore (Sonya Walger), Lost slowed the pace and muffed some plays. A trick ending — She's in the future! He's in the past! — to an otherwise powerful episode featuring Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) and Sun alienated some perplexed fans. And the hyped-up return of castaway traitor Michael (Harold Perrineau) defied continuity logic and generally failed to meet expectations. Still, these are minor concerns compared with past infractions such as a guest turn by Bai Ling and last year's awkward introductions of — we hesitate to even bring up their names — Nikki and Paulo.

Ironically, season 4's overall strength and sophistication may have renewed Lost's creative mojo, but it has also sealed the show's rep as an intimidating weekly TV commitment. Viewership has steadily declined throughout the season, from 17.8 million for the season 4 premiere to 13.4 for episode 8. When the show returns April 24, it will air after Grey's Anatomy, at 10 p.m., and while it may get some draft from the hospital hit, it's a less-than-McDreamy hour for a series that demands maximum alertness. But ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson says that even though he'd ''love to see the show grow...the reality is that the numbers are pretty good.'' And he's as excited as anyone about the new direction. ''Lost has established itself as one of the great shows of all time. I'm proud that by agreeing to end the show, we have freed them up to do what they want to do.''

And what they'll be doing is kicking things off with a meaty sweep of story. In addition to being a flash-forward adventure for globe-trotting Ben, in which his war with British billionaire Charles Widmore (Alan Dale) over control of the Island will intensify, episode 9 revisits a long-simmering subplot: Sayid's romance with Iraqi love Nadia (Andrea Gabriel). According to Lindelof, a new dimension of Smokey the monster's mercurial nature will also be revealed, per the Lost rule that ''you learn something new about the monster whenever it appears.'' And Cuse says a major story line will begin for Claire (Emilie de Ravin), Aaron's Aussie mommy, who lost boyfriend Charlie in last year's finale: ''Mysterious things are happening to Claire that set up the next few episodes — and the next few years, too.''

''The Shape of Things to Come'' will be followed by a flash-forward installment for Jack. ''We're starting to close the loop on the end of last season,'' says Fox. ''Jack in the future is a man marked by weakness, but the Jack of the present is strong. You're going to understand how he made that transition.'' The last three episodes include only one flashback, which the producers say will be a mythically significant outing for...someone. The rumor: Locke (Terry O'Quinn). Fans will also see a new Dharma station called the Orchid — all three levels of it — that might shed more light on the Island's time-warping properties. Peripheral faves like Penelope, ageless Other Richard Alpert (Nestor Carbonell), and off-Island mystery man Matthew Abaddon (Lance Reddick) will pop up. But due to the strike, two breakout freighter newbies — frazzled physicist Daniel Faraday (Jeremy Davies) and ghost-whispering hustler Miles Straume (Ken Leung) — won't be getting their spotlights until next year. The May 22 finale will complicate the Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle by featuring ''a spectacular kiss'' and elaborate on Jack's flash-forward ambition to journey back to the Island. ''This year's finale will sum up exactly how difficult it may be to accomplish that,'' says Lindelof, who adds this cryptic response to speculation that flash-forwards will vanish once Island present meets off-Island future: ''There could easily be a time when the word flash becomes irrelevant.''

While fans wait to see what form Lost's future takes, the cast waits to see whether they'll be part of it: Peril abounds for the castaways in the next five episodes. During EW's stay on the set, Garcia prepared for an encounter with Smokey, and Holloway was spritzed with fake sweat and a touch of blood in advance of a raging gunfight. After fishing that mystery corpse from the surf, Daniel Dae Kim addressed a reporter's question about Jin's uncertain flash-forward fate (he seemingly died in the March 13 episode) with a mock-frantic cry: ''I don't know!'' As it was at the start, Lost is once more the show where anything can happen. Drying out in the sun after scurrying away from a big wave that washed out the scene, Yunjin Kim sits in the tall grass of the beach and sums it up: ''It feels like season 1. And I love it.''

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 11, 2008, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: modage on April 11, 2008, 01:22:23 PM
THIS ARTICLE IS ALL MINOR SPOILERS -- AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLE


what article?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 11, 2008, 01:49:31 PM
click the button

Quote from: modage on April 11, 2008, 01:22:23 PM
'Lost': Secrets from the Set! (ew.com): ShowHide

Life on the Oahu set of Lost isn't always a day at the beach. On this sweltering March afternoon, for example, ABC's cult hit about castaways on a time-warped tropical isle has chosen to shoot in...a rock quarry. Amount of fun currently being had: Zero. The horses are jumpy from machine-gun fire. Executive producer Jack Bender is directing with an ice pack to his face after walking into a crane. And Michael Emerson — a.k.a. Benjamin Linus, the show's villainous über-Other — is broiled, thanks to his curious wardrobe requirement: a woolly winter parka.

''Definitely a no-glamour zone,'' says Emerson during a brief respite from shooting Lost's first episode since the writers' strike interrupted production last November. ''I thought we would ease into things. Instead, I get this all-Ben extravaganza: combat, riding horses, foreign languages. And piano playing! All waaaay outside my comfort zone. How can you work two weeks and feel like you need a vacation already?''

Some sympathy for Lost's biggest devil? Not a polar bear's chance in Tunisia. Besides, there's crucial work to be done. You'll start seeing it on April 24, when Lost returns with the first of five fresh episodes that will wrap up its buzzy, strike-abbreviated fourth season. EW spent three days on the set of the drama, and judging from the looks of things — like the corpse that washes up on the sandy shores of Camp Jack and the raging gunfight that will decimate Camp Locke — the first episode back, ominously titled ''The Shape of Things to Come,'' will launch the endgame with downright apocalyptic thunder. The ensuing four installments will answer some of the season's biggest questions: How did the much-vaunted Oceanic 6 leave the Island? What happened to those left behind? Why is Sayid (Naveen Andrews) killing people for Ben in the future? And who's rotting inside that darn coffin? ''It's big and epic,'' promises Matthew Fox (Jack). ''Our first eight episodes, by design, were all set up for these episodes to come. That we're doing just five instead of eight means they're even more packed with plot. It's payoff time.'' More momentously, the finale — whose Big Twist is code-named ''Frozen Donkey Wheel'' — will set the stage for another series reinvention. Citing the seventh Harry Potter book, in which J.K. Rowling broke her usual year-at-Hogwarts template, executive producer Damon Lindelof says, ''We're taking the same approach. You think the show is, 'Okay, they're on the Island, and then — whoosh — you're in the past or the future.' By the end of season 4, I think the audience is going to go, 'How can the show continue to be that?' And they are absolutely right.''

Camp Locke is actually Camp Erdman in real life, a YMCA facility on Oahu's North Shore. On this rain-splashed afternoon, a couple dozen day campers sit on the grass, waiting to watch Lost blow up one of their cabins. As the explosives get rigged, the man who plays con-artist bad boy Sawyer, Josh Holloway, gamely takes questions. One boy shares how his mother, a big Lost fan, talks about the show so incessantly that he has to cover his ears and beg her to stop. The kids laugh, and so does Holloway, but the camp counselor is embarrassed. ''Now, remember,'' she scolds. ''Respectful questions.''

The stars of Lost have heard worse, especially last year when they were put in the awkward position of answering harsh criticism about how Lost had lost its way. ''When you came out here last season, I remember I didn't talk to you,'' Andrews tells an EW writer, ''because if all you have to say is something negative, why talk at all?'' Asked where he thought season 3 went wrong, Andrews smiles. ''Well, I wasn't in it much, so that's flaw number one, without sounding ridiculously arrogant,'' laughs the actor, whose Sayid was truly underutilized. ''A lot of us didn't know which way the show was going, and I'm not sure the writers did, either. They seemed to be meandering in the dark. But it's good now. We're on track.''

So how did they find the light? By negotiating the death of Lost itself. Last May, the show's guiding hands, Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, reached a deal with ABC to end the series in 2010 after three 16-episode seasons; as a result, Lost's storytellers have been able to bring structure and focus to their saga. It began with last year's bravura finale, which brought the promise of rescue and introduced ''flash-forward'' storytelling into the mix. Fox — who was the only actor besides Evangeline Lilly (Kate) privy to the episode's it's-not-a-flashback twist — recalls barely being able to keep the secret from the rest of the cast. ''I knew it would take Lost to the next level,'' he says.

Season 4 has gone even further with new twists, new characters, and a new forward-moving, future-revealing mythology. Front and center are the Oceanic 6, a privileged clutch of castaways — Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun (Yunjin Kim), Hurley (Jorge Garcia), and baby Aaron — who have somehow, someway escaped the Island. ''I think this flash-forward business is a stroke of genius,'' says Emerson. ''I think everybody here feels that we are now a more mature show, that we are now a show for grown-ups, because we're going to see that like in life, there may not be happy endings for many of us on this Island.''

At the very least, Lost has become a show no longer dogged by skepticism that its producers lack a master plan. ''The question of 'Do you guys know where you're going?' kind of evaporated,'' says Cuse. ''People are no longer fearful that they're going to be led like lemmings to a cliff edge and plunge off.'' Nobody is more thrilled than the cast; across the board, their enthusiasm — and, in some cases, relief — is palpable. ''Now, the story carries everything and we're just players in it, which I like,'' says Holloway. ''The writers can be concise. I like that, too.'' Adds Fox: ''Our writers have always said we needed an end in order to start ripping. Now, we're ripping.''

This isn't to say that season 4 has been perfect. After hitting a high-water mark with ''The Constant,'' a deftly plotted, unabashedly romantic time-travel yarn that ended with Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) finally making contact with soul mate Penelope Widmore (Sonya Walger), Lost slowed the pace and muffed some plays. A trick ending — She's in the future! He's in the past! — to an otherwise powerful episode featuring Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) and Sun alienated some perplexed fans. And the hyped-up return of castaway traitor Michael (Harold Perrineau) defied continuity logic and generally failed to meet expectations. Still, these are minor concerns compared with past infractions such as a guest turn by Bai Ling and last year's awkward introductions of — we hesitate to even bring up their names — Nikki and Paulo.

Ironically, season 4's overall strength and sophistication may have renewed Lost's creative mojo, but it has also sealed the show's rep as an intimidating weekly TV commitment. Viewership has steadily declined throughout the season, from 17.8 million for the season 4 premiere to 13.4 for episode 8. When the show returns April 24, it will air after Grey's Anatomy, at 10 p.m., and while it may get some draft from the hospital hit, it's a less-than-McDreamy hour for a series that demands maximum alertness. But ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson says that even though he'd ''love to see the show grow...the reality is that the numbers are pretty good.'' And he's as excited as anyone about the new direction. ''Lost has established itself as one of the great shows of all time. I'm proud that by agreeing to end the show, we have freed them up to do what they want to do.''

And what they'll be doing is kicking things off with a meaty sweep of story. In addition to being a flash-forward adventure for globe-trotting Ben, in which his war with British billionaire Charles Widmore (Alan Dale) over control of the Island will intensify, episode 9 revisits a long-simmering subplot: Sayid's romance with Iraqi love Nadia (Andrea Gabriel). According to Lindelof, a new dimension of Smokey the monster's mercurial nature will also be revealed, per the Lost rule that ''you learn something new about the monster whenever it appears.'' And Cuse says a major story line will begin for Claire (Emilie de Ravin), Aaron's Aussie mommy, who lost boyfriend Charlie in last year's finale: ''Mysterious things are happening to Claire that set up the next few episodes — and the next few years, too.''

''The Shape of Things to Come'' will be followed by a flash-forward installment for Jack. ''We're starting to close the loop on the end of last season,'' says Fox. ''Jack in the future is a man marked by weakness, but the Jack of the present is strong. You're going to understand how he made that transition.'' The last three episodes include only one flashback, which the producers say will be a mythically significant outing for...someone. The rumor: Locke (Terry O'Quinn). Fans will also see a new Dharma station called the Orchid — all three levels of it — that might shed more light on the Island's time-warping properties. Peripheral faves like Penelope, ageless Other Richard Alpert (Nestor Carbonell), and off-Island mystery man Matthew Abaddon (Lance Reddick) will pop up. But due to the strike, two breakout freighter newbies — frazzled physicist Daniel Faraday (Jeremy Davies) and ghost-whispering hustler Miles Straume (Ken Leung) — won't be getting their spotlights until next year. The May 22 finale will complicate the Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle by featuring ''a spectacular kiss'' and elaborate on Jack's flash-forward ambition to journey back to the Island. ''This year's finale will sum up exactly how difficult it may be to accomplish that,'' says Lindelof, who adds this cryptic response to speculation that flash-forwards will vanish once Island present meets off-Island future: ''There could easily be a time when the word flash becomes irrelevant.''

While fans wait to see what form Lost's future takes, the cast waits to see whether they'll be part of it: Peril abounds for the castaways in the next five episodes. During EW's stay on the set, Garcia prepared for an encounter with Smokey, and Holloway was spritzed with fake sweat and a touch of blood in advance of a raging gunfight. After fishing that mystery corpse from the surf, Daniel Dae Kim addressed a reporter's question about Jin's uncertain flash-forward fate (he seemingly died in the March 13 episode) with a mock-frantic cry: ''I don't know!'' As it was at the start, Lost is once more the show where anything can happen. Drying out in the sun after scurrying away from a big wave that washed out the scene, Yunjin Kim sits in the tall grass of the beach and sums it up: ''It feels like season 1. And I love it.''


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 12, 2008, 06:14:44 AM
Weird. I dont see any buttons????????????




BTW, It was just confirmed that there will be an EXTRA hour of LOST this Season. They are airing the 2 hour finale on May 29 (instead of May 22), so there are not episodes on May 22. We have another week off before the 2 hour finale, but it means we are getting 14 hours of Lost instead of 13, so amazing!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 14, 2008, 12:45:34 AM
An Extra Hour for Lost and Grey's
Source: TV Guide

TV Guide reports that both "Lost" and "Grey's Anatomy" are getting an extra hour this season before the summer hiatus.

With a 14th hour of Lost now a done deal, the show's finale will swell to three hours. But, in what can only be described as an unorthodox scheduling move, the first hour of that finale will air on May 15, and then we have to wait two weeks — until May 29 — to get the last two hours! That's right, no Lost on May 22.

The reason? The "Lost" producers convinced ABC that the last two hours of "Lost" should air together, thereby freeing up an hour on the May 22. "Grey's Anatomy" is filling that hour by expanding its season finale to two hours.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 18, 2008, 12:54:52 AM
Lost Spoilers Revealed

Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, executive producers of ABC's Lost, offered reporters major spoilers for the remainder of the fourth season, which resumes with new episodes on April 24.

Speaking in a conference call with reporters on April 17, they revealed that Sawyer (Josh Holloway) is not one of the Oceanic Six; that the conflict between Jack (Matthew Fox) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) will reach a head in the season finale; that viewers will learn more about the fate of Claire (Emilie de Ravin); and that viewers will learn more about what happened to Rousseau (Mira Furlan) and Karl (Blake Bashoff), who were shot by an unknown assailant and left for dead in the last original episode to air, "Meet Kevin Johnson."

Also, Cuse promised, viewers will see more of the mysterious Jacob, will finally learn more about the four-toed statue and will see the smoke monster again, in the first new episode back.

As for the two-part fourth-season finale, "There's No Place Like Home," the producers said there was no way they could squeeze in all the story they wanted to tell without expanding the final episode to two hours.

"We had an eight-hour story plan that got condensed down to five initially because of the strike," Lindelof said. "And in trying to cram all that story around the finale, the rubber hit the road. And we realized that it all felt very rushed and we were short changing our emotional moments. You know, our character moments. So we read the 80-page first draft of hour two and looked at each other and said, 'There's no way we're going to be able to cut this down to a 55-page script. Why don't we expand it to 100 pages?'"

The final three hours will deal with the romantic triangle of Kate (Evangeline Lilly), Jack and Sawyer. "All we can say is Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic Six, and Jack and Kate are," Lindelof said. "Obviously there will be a huge focus in these final three hours of the show that comprise the finale in terms of how that series of events transpires and what ultimately happens to Sawyer, and it's all on the axis of the love triangle. We think that both fans of Sawyer and Kate--otherwise known as the 'Skaters,' from what I am told--and Jack and Kate--the 'Jaters'--will have a bounty of interesting romantic scenes."

As for that standoff between Jack and Locke? "I think Locke and Jack, to us right from the beginning, represented the two significant philosophical poles of the show," Cuse said. "Jack was the ultimate empiricist, and Locke was the person who believed his fate and destiny were all tied up in the magic and mystery of this island. And the conflict between those two guys is really the central conflict on our show. So that's a theme we continue to explore. And there's a big culmination of that that takes place in this season's finale."

Beyond that, the series will be "revisiting the emotional idea" behind the kiss that Jack and Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) had early in the season, Cuse said.

"There are definitely some very large and seismic events that will happen to our castaways between now and the end of the season," Cuse said. "And by the end of the season some people's fates will be clear. and others will not be so clear."

Lost returns with "The Shape of Things to Come," the first of five new episodes, on April 24 in a new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT. Part one of "There's No Place Like Home" will air on May 15. The two-hour second part will air on May 29 at 9 p.m.

(Because of the writers' strike, the fourth season was shortened by two hours, which will be bumped into the show's fifth or sixth seasons.)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 21, 2008, 12:34:41 AM
Fox: Lost Is Back With A Bang

Matthew Fox, who plays Dr. Jack Shephard on ABC's Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming final five episodes of the fourth season will be packed with action, a few surprises and a change for his character.

"You won't believe what happens in the next five episodes," Fox said in a group interview on April 18 while promoting his upcoming film, Speed Racer. "The show is building to its climax of the year, and it's a lot of things happening. It's big, and it's going to be good."

Fox added that things may change for his character, who has appeared in "flash-forwards" as an emotional wreck. "Jack's a frickin' mess in the future," Fox said. "So that's been not pleasant to revisit that. It's never fun to put yourself into a place where you're suicidal and really, really messed up and desperate. So, yeah, he's really gotten to the rock bottom, but I understand why we're taking him there, and there will be a turn in there where he begins to sort of build towards a redemption. And taking him to the very pit of despair is going to make, I think, that more rewarding."

Lost has been on a break during the fourth season, which was interrupted by the writers' strike. "I think it's been a good year for us," Fox said. "The strike, obviously, was difficult, just because we were really on a roll through [episode] eight, then we took this break. But I think everybody was really excited to get back to it."

Now that the strike is over, the cast and crew have had to film several episodes at once in order to finish the season on schedule. "It's been, you know, chaotic," Fox said. "I mean, you know, as it always is this time of year for us. I mean, we're doing many shows [at once]. I think we're shooting three episodes simultaneously, essentially. So it's like anywhere between two and three units working at the same time and going back and forth between them and shooting things very out of sequence, which you always do, but I think when you're covering three episodes, it's a lot. But it's great. I mean, it's really great."

Lost returns with the first of its new episodes on April 24 in its new timeslot, Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 24, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Matthew Fox on the Return of Lost
Source: ComingSoon

"Lost" returns tonight on ABC at a new time (10/9c) with six new hours that climax with the two-part finale (5/15 and 5/29). ComingSoon.net got a chance to talk to Matthew Fox, who plays Jack, during the press day for Speed Racer.

Asked about whether the flash forwards and knowing the end date of the series has changed how he approaches work, Fox said, "Not really. Not that much. No. You know we're going to catch up with the flash forwards here in this year and then we'll be back and it's going to be really interesting to see how time is structured in season five. But we will have closed those two points – the finale of last year where you had that juxtaposition of him on the island feeling like he'd finally accomplished rescue and this future where he's desperate and at the pit of despair and feels like he has to go back and we don't know why and what's transpired in between. We will have closed that thing and so we will have gotten back into a situation where we'll be in the present."

How much gets resolved in the finale? "Huge, huge stuff. We're shooting pretty much three episodes. It's really like a three-episode finale that we're shooting simultaneously. It's huge."

And will more questions be answered? "There will be huge things answered. Yes."

Be sure to tune in tonight!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 24, 2008, 10:24:47 PM
 :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on April 24, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
The shit just got real.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on April 24, 2008, 11:26:08 PM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on April 24, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
The shit just got real.
Seriously, this episode is tied with Desmond's for best of show at the moment. So much was just fucking great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 25, 2008, 12:31:45 AM
LOST.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 25, 2008, 01:02:29 AM
Holy Fucking Shit. Just got done and man oh man am I happy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 26, 2008, 08:30:02 AM
Where is mod??? This was a complete absolute fucking blow me away episode! This alluded to and revealed more about the show than any other episode, I think.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on April 27, 2008, 11:52:55 AM
did it? i don't even remember being that blown away, but i had a couple of beers, so i don't know.

oh shit, i'm having major deja vu.

that was really weird. but i think it passed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 27, 2008, 05:45:32 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 28, 2008, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on April 27, 2008, 11:52:55 AM
did it? i don't even remember being that blown away, but i had a couple of beers, so i don't know.

oh shit, i'm having major deja vu.

that was really weird. but i think it passed.

Yes it did! OK so maybe it gets tossed around too much, but after talking to those people I trust, they all ranked it as their favorite/the best episode, after The Constant. I still think Through the Looking Glass was more amazing, but this is definitely number 2 for me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 29, 2008, 06:12:20 PM
I could only see it today and it blew my mind. Things are starting to get really interesting (well, they always were, weren't they?... anyway) and Ben is one hell of a character. Last scene = genius!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 29, 2008, 09:22:14 PM
even with all the spoilers and overanalyzation this show still manages to surprise me. sawyers mad dash across the picket fence was a bit hokey, but i think it fit in well with the theory that the island won't let you die before your time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on April 29, 2008, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on April 29, 2008, 09:22:14 PM
even with all the spoilers and overanalyzation this show still manages to surprise me. sawyers mad dash across the picket fence was a bit hokey, but i think it fit in well with the theory that the island won't let you die before your time.

Same thing with Claire surviving the house being hellbombed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 02, 2008, 02:04:52 AM
I love the Jack episodes, and damn the beginning was something everyone was waiting for...

But then the rest felt rushed, and his anxiety, doubts about Kate, taking pills, etc seemed to happen way too fast... one day he proposes and the other he is out of control... and it seemed a bit out of character. Poor Hugo is really lost. I imagine he may tried to kill himself and cannot do it.

Christian Shephard is taking over this shit... he is everywhere. And the whole appendix thing was weird unless it has some importance in the future. The only purpose I guess was to have that scene between Kate and Juliet at the end.

In general a weak episode in my opinion, but the whole Jack-Kate thing was more than enough for me to like it!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on May 02, 2008, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: kal on May 02, 2008, 02:04:52 AM
And the whole appendix thing was weird unless it has some importance in the future.

it didn't look like he had a scar in the towel shots at the beginning of the first flash forward. that could be significant.

i agree, the spiraling out of control was way too rushed. would have been better if it had been two hours.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 02, 2008, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: abuck1220 on May 02, 2008, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: kal on May 02, 2008, 02:04:52 AM
And the whole appendix thing was weird unless it has some importance in the future.

it didn't look like he had a scar in the towel shots at the beginning of the first flash forward. that could be significant.

The minute Jules said "We're gonna have to take it out," I started shouting wildly about not seeing a scar on the side of his new abs. I'm sure there will be screencaps.

Overall, it was a big snooze. Jack is just weird on the island, wanting Kate to be there. Fucking weird. And the flash forward, yes rushed, but I did kinda like the correlation between his eventually pill addiction with seeing his dad.

In fact, I think it would be amazing if he keeps seeing his dad more and more, thus takes more and more pills, because, as we all remember, in Through the Looking Glass, he says, "If I'm more drunk than my father is..." etc. I bet his dad is haunting him everywhere he goes. That's why he finally gives in and says "We have to go back!"

EDIT:

I have to add that the scene where Sawyer is hiding with Claire and Aaron, pointing the gun at Keamy....FUCK. I couldn't breathe, it was amazing. And the scene with Hurley was creeeeeepy as fuck.

EDIT YET AGAIN:

Poor Rouster is really dead. But the producers have promised her flashback. That means that we must see it from someone else's point of view, someone who was on the ship with Rouster. Widmore/Hanso? Nestor Carbonell?

Also, NO SCAR: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Jack-no-scar.jpg
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 02, 2008, 11:25:05 AM
scar clearly visible in towel shot.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/05/episode-4x10-jacks-scar.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 02, 2008, 11:42:48 AM
Damn, pwned. It's very subtle.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on May 02, 2008, 12:27:45 PM
i rewatched last week's episode. it was pretty badass. i gotta remember to never again watch lost when i'm super tired and deep in production of my own shit.

i was pretty happy with last week's episode. i love jack episodes and i love episodes where kate is flipping out and crying, so this fit the bill. they're both just very good looking, it's nice to watch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 02, 2008, 07:06:01 PM
I thought the flash-forward was rushed as well...but we also have no clue about how much timeactually passed. Other than that, all good stuff. All the Jack-Kate stuff made me wanna fucking weep, so good! I wonder how Jack's dad is really involved in all this. Jack's possible hallucinations are one thing, but appearing in Jacob's house (very) briefly, then appearing to Claire? I'm beginning to think there's actually something here, not just hallucinations.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 02, 2008, 07:18:17 PM
Hurley scene was nice and creepy. They're obviously building towards the Claire-Erin-Jack dynamic towards the end of the season. Jack is so boring, just kill him off already. Also, give Jin more screen time!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 02, 2008, 07:57:47 PM
This did feel rushed but I really can't blame them. They said that they needed to compact some story lines because of the writer's strike. Hurley Was AMAZING!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 03, 2008, 04:55:05 AM
Yeah, it was kind of rushed, but the show now has a different rythm and we have to keep up with it, I guess. Also, after last week's all hell breaking loose, I was expecting a calmer episode. Lost kicks ass!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 09, 2008, 12:39:38 AM
classic storytelling, real epic stuff. ever since the brig this show has been as good as its ever been and there's no reason to think it won't continue with the first part of the finale next week.

so much to talk about!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 09, 2008, 09:52:01 AM
'Lost' adds hours
ABC extends final two seasons
Source: Hollywood Reporter

ABC has found more hours for the final two seasons of "Lost."

The 2009 and 2010 editions of the hit drama will be 17 hours each -- not 16 as previously planned.

ABC has added two hours to the show's production plan because the WGA strike knocked three hours out of the current season. To partly compensate, the network recently added an additional hour to Part 2 of the season finale that airs May 29.

All told, the changes will wrap up the show with the same number of episodes that producers and ABC negotiated last year.

"We were supposed to do 16-16-16," "Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof said. "But we ended up doing 14 this season, so we owe two."

Lindelof, however, ruled out the show extending beyond the remaining 34-episode order.

"(Executive producer) Carlton Cuse and I worked so hard to get the show to end that I think to suddenly say, 'Oh, I think we got another season in us' would be a betrayal to everybody involved in the show -- but most of all the audience," he said. "It's better to retire your number at the top of your game."

For the upcoming season finale, Lindelof promised a more action-driven cliffhanger instead of the mind-bending flash-forward time shift that stunned fans last season.

"The finale this year will not be as tricky as last year," he said. "Hopefully, this year it's a little bit more of a straightforward action-adventure narrative. But the ending of the episode will hopefully engage and intrigue people looking forward to the next season of the show."

Lindelof declined to say whether the flash forwards will continue, but did leave open the possibility of the show's main story line on the island catching up with the flash forwards that have taken place on the mainland this season.

"It's very exciting that the audience is going to be wondering when is the present going to be (next season)," he said. "We've moved backward in time, now we've moved forward in time. The present of the show has always been on the island -- that may not necessarily be the case in the future."

When it comes time to air the series finale in 2010, Lindelof said he and Cuse plan to "go into hiding for many, many months" at an "undisclosed location."

"David Chase set a great example when he went off to Paris after 'The Sopranos' ending, which is great because all these people are going to be asking, 'What does it mean? What is it?' " he said. "The fact that there's no one really around to answer that question, it forces people to come up with what they think it means. We can guarantee our show will not end with a cut to black, it will be more clear than that. But whenever anything you love ends ... there's a certain disappointment."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 09, 2008, 10:37:47 AM
"destiny is a fickle bitch!" :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 09, 2008, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: shnorff on May 09, 2008, 10:37:47 AM
"destiny is a fickle bitch!" :bravo:
One of my fav. lines of last nights episode. I really can't wait till next week. Also, the looks on Claire and Christian faces with John is fantastic.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 10, 2008, 12:38:26 AM
Another mind-blowing episode... this has been an incredible season and the 3 hour finale will probably be better.

This episode had so much of everything and it made me think so much how this season changed the show in so many ways. I mean, look back at season 1, or even all the way up to season 3. The story was so straightforward (even with all the mysteries). Now there is so much going on, so many questions but also so many important secondary characters that pop up and fuck with your head. Thats a sign of disaster for most shows, so it's amazing how great this is and it keeps getting better!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 10, 2008, 12:20:19 PM
What the fuck is going on with Christian? Does this mean that Claire's dead?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on May 16, 2008, 09:33:37 AM
 :shock: Not a single comment?

Anyway, how crazy that yesterday I was talking to mog and we discussed if Jack from the future (we have to go back!) knew at that time about Claire and how he found out and damn I didn't expect to have an answer this soon.

Pretty solid episode although they covered too much ground, and with it they left again many questions unanswered.

I wonder why Oceanic transported the O6 in that aircraft, for their safety? I don't even think they were wearing a belt but am not sure.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 16, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
this episode was just putting all the pieces on the board for what is sure to be a mindblowing final 2 hours.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 16, 2008, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: modage on May 16, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
this episode was just putting all the pieces on the board for what is sure to be a mindblowing final 2 hours.

Yeah. That boat full of red shirts and Sun and Jin and Aaron had me fucking nervous. I've always thought that Jin's grave was just a ploy, but damn if they aren't leading me on otherwise.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 16, 2008, 02:09:14 PM
the flash-forwards really felt like the present, and all the island stuff felt like flashbacks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 16, 2008, 05:12:21 PM
well that is exactly what happened... when we were back at the island is when we heard the 'shhhush' flashback sound...


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 16, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: modage on May 16, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
this episode was just putting all the pieces on the board for what is sure to be a mindblowing final 2 hours.
Finally. Mod speaks up. Anyway, great episode and really loved the numbers on the dashboard in Hugo's car.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 17, 2008, 12:11:05 PM
Just a set-up episode but not bad. Can't wait for next week!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 18, 2008, 09:50:18 AM
You mean the week after next.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 18, 2008, 12:13:55 PM
2 weeks waiting for a head-exploding 2 hour episode that if its nearly as good as last years will leave us wanting to kill ourselves until February... fucking LOST

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 28, 2008, 04:00:44 PM
I cannot fucking wait for tomorrow. My friends and I are having a Lost costume party. I'm going as Aaron.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 28, 2008, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 28, 2008, 04:00:44 PM
I cannot fucking wait for tomorrow. My friends and I are having a Lost costume party. I'm going as Aaron.

naked?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 28, 2008, 08:44:11 PM
WHO'S IN THE COFFIN?????? :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 29, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: cinemanarchist on May 28, 2008, 08:44:11 PM
WHO'S IN THE COFFIN?????? :shock:

That answers that. Now the waiting for '09 begins.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 29, 2008, 10:27:24 PM
this was great BUT not as mindblowing as last years finale.  the bar was just raised too high and this whole season was fantastic.  this episode also seemed to answer more questions than it raised.  we really are nearing the end...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 30, 2008, 01:03:11 AM
Wooooh What a finale!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 30, 2008, 01:19:41 AM
Insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 30, 2008, 07:19:02 AM
Does anyone know somewhere other than ABC where I can watch this online? I'm not in the United States, and ABC blocks it for users in foreign countries. Please!! I need my fix!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 30, 2008, 10:19:00 AM
Great finale. Modage is right, probably nothing until the final season will top the third season's finale for sheer mind-blowing potential, but this episode was still crazy. And sad :(

Now the big question is how many characters will be alive by the end of the show. Geez.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on May 30, 2008, 12:48:07 PM
some kinda sloppy writing in this one. i had a bad feeling that the plot device needed to leave sawyer behind was going to be "we need to lighten the load on the chopper," which is just stupid. it was even more on the nose than i thought it would be ("i'd feel a lot better if we were 200 pounds lighter!"). also, they had to come up with a way to strand jin, and i thought the way they did it was kind of cheap...michael somehow knows how many "minutes" are left in a liquid nitrogen tank??

anyway, i forgive all that because it's such a layered show with so much going on. the show screws with my head so much i was 99%convinced jack was going to be in the coffin...even though jack was standing in the room looking into it. that would have been a mind trip.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 30, 2008, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: A Matter Of Chance on May 30, 2008, 07:19:02 AM
Does anyone know somewhere other than ABC where I can watch this online? I'm not in the United States, and ABC blocks it for users in foreign countries. Please!! I need my fix!!
Itunes?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 30, 2008, 06:54:09 PM
Happened to catch those 'alternative endings' whilst I was at the gym in the morning. Was exactly the same as the final scene, but with reveals of it being Saywer or Desmond in the coffin.

I hope we still get a lot more Dsmond stuff in the future.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 30, 2008, 07:19:41 PM
With mod. Felt like the first hour dragged a bit. The editing seemed off; not tight like previous episodes this season. Teared up with Jin's fate, but that was quickly quelled when a commercial break immediately followed. But the second hour with the island disappearing and Penny's arrival were the high points.

Quote from: A Matter Of Chance on May 30, 2008, 07:19:02 AM
Does anyone know somewhere other than ABC where I can watch this online? I'm not in the United States, and ABC blocks it for users in foreign countries. Please!! I need my fix!!

Keep checking youtube. Someone will upload it there soon.


Quote from: Sleepless on May 30, 2008, 06:54:09 PM
Happened to catch those 'alternative endings' whilst I was at the gym in the morning. Was exactly the same as the final scene, but with reveals of it being Saywer or Desmond in the coffin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLPX26aWQZA
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 30, 2008, 07:26:02 PM
definitely a great finale. had a strange quality to it, knowing how it needed to end. well-played though, even if at sometimes clunky. ben's "so.." was a highlight of the episode for me.

also, there's an interview (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Lostpedia_Interview:David_Fury) over at lostpedia with david fury, who wrote some of my favorite episodes (namely walkabout). its not a great interview, but here's a great part:

Lostpedia: Was time-travel ever mentioned while you worked on "Lost"? Do you know how long the idea has existed?

There was an exchange (pitched by J.J. when he and I broke the story) in an early draft of "Solitary" when Rousseau tells Sayid she had been part of a research team. Sayid asks her what they were researching. She replies: "Time." The network saw that draft and asked us to remove the line. They were very timid about anything that smacked of Sci-Fi during the first season. I can only assume they've come around.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 17, 2008, 04:03:21 PM
ABC Makes Up Lost Episodes
Source: SciFi Wire

ABC Entertainment President Stephen McPherson told reporters that Lost will make up for the three episodes that didn't make it to air last season because of the writers' strike.

"They were supposed to do 17 this year, actually," McPherson said in a news conference at the Television Critics Association's summer press tour in Beverly Hills, Calif., on July 16. "They aired 14."

The upcoming fifth season will feature 17 episodes when it kicks off in January 2009. McPherson said that the show has 48 episodes left before the series ends in 2010.

"They're kind of still doing the story arcs and figuring that out," McPherson said, referring to Lost's producers. "But we will do the full 48 that we all set out when we said, 'Let's set an end of the show. How many episodes do you need to tell that story and where you're going?'"

McPherson was upstaged at last year's press tour when Lost executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse saved some news for Comic-Con International in San Diego, which took place a week later.

This year, McPherson said that the producers will screen a promotional video at Comic-Con for the upcoming season of Lost, but added that it will also be made available immediately on ABC.com.

McPherson acknowledged that Lost suffered more from last year's writers' strike than other ABC shows. "Lost, unfortunately, was one of the shows that had to actually go down for a little bit and go off the air," he said. "We were hoping to be able to run it straight through." Instead, the decision was made to pull Lost down completely until early next year.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on July 17, 2008, 07:52:56 PM
Err... I think that is wrong?? They were supposed to have 48 left when they announced this LAST YEAR, so if they aired 14 now then there is 34 left. Damn.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 26, 2008, 08:36:55 AM
Just 34 hours left for TV's "Lost"

"Lost" fans can start expecting some answers.

Writer-producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof said Friday that they know exactly how the ABC series will end.

"We have 34 hours left for you guys to see — seasons five and six," Lindelof told the Comic-Con crowd. "We owe answers. We know the answers that we owe. The questions have to begin to diminish."

"We know where we're going and we know how long we have left to tell the story," Cuse added. "There's also an organic process that goes on."

They compared the process to a road trip, which can often include alternate routes and unexpected stops.

The showrunners said they will continue to supplement their storytelling with Webisodes, mobisodes (on mobile devices) and games.

"We're doing it primarily for the die-hard fans of the show," Lindelof said.

They offered no spoilers at Entertainment Weekly's panel dedicated to visionary TV producers. But they did reveal they'd like to see the return of Mr. Eko.

"Mr. Eko was a character we really loved," Cuse said of the role played by Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje. Turns out the British actor didn't like living and working on an island.

"Hawaii was not his bag," Cuse continued. "Real life intervened and forced us to end the arc of that character much sooner than we would have liked."

No word on whether Mr. Eko will come back when "Lost" returns this fall.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 28, 2008, 01:10:56 AM
Lost Surprises At Comic-Con

Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, executive producers of ABC's hit SF series Lost, made their annual panel appearance at Comic-Con International in San Diego on July 26, along with surprise guest Matthew Fox (Jack Shepard) and a few spoilers about the upcoming fifth season.

The revelations of the hour included confirmation that the characters of Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) and John Locke (Terry O'Quinn) would return to the series, despite their apparent deaths; that Vincent the dog is alive and well and will be back; that Danielle Rousseau's (Mira Furlan) story will be told; and that the show's trademark character flashbacks and flash-forwards will change yet again.

"We are steering away from the word flashback and embracing a whole new word," Lindelof said to more than 6,500 fans packing the San Diego convention center. "Once again, when season five starts, you're not going to know when and where you are. We do this fun thing every year where we let the audience figure out where they are."

Cuse continued, "There will still be flashbacks and flash-forwards on the show, but we are going to do something different this season and mix it up. There will be storytelling both on the island and off the island and in different periods of time. It's just going to be organized differently and not constrained by the rules of flashbacks and flash-forwards."

The panel also featured an elaborate skit revolving around the Dharma Initiative Recruitment project, which was promoted with a mysterious television commercial during Lost's season finale and on ABC's Web site. The interactive game culminated with a Dharma booth on the convention's exhibition floor, which "tested" prospective candidates for a new Dharma project.

Those selected as the most desirable candidates were brought on stage with Lindelof and Cuse before they were escorted to Phase II of their recruitment. In the last minutes of the panel, a "candidate" named Dan raced back onstage and shouted that he had answers for the crowd that he shot in the booth with his video camera. The footage was then screened and showed "Dan's" hand-held footage inside the Dharma booth and a brand-new cryptic video featuring Dr. Marvin Candle confessing his true name and that he and his Dharma colleagues would be "purged" but that "time was of the essence" to stop their fate. Lost returns for its fifth season in early 2009.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 25, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
SPOILER

and kinda of bad news... or good for some maybe... Ana Lucia will be back this season for ONE episode. Excited??? Nooot.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 16, 2008, 12:11:27 AM
'Lost' star Michael Emerson: What you didn't know

Michael Emerson, the actor who plays "Lost" bad guy Benjamin Linus, gets profiled in Wednesday's Emmy edition of The Envelope. (He's up again this year for outstanding supporting actor.)

Last month, I spent an afternoon chatting with him in his manager's office for the story. It was a  spoiler-free affair, unfortunately, as Emerson had not received any scripts for the forthcoming fifth season.

Here are the highlights from our conversation that didn't make it into the story:

He wasn't made a regular series member until Season 3. Before that, he never knew if Ben was coming or going: "I really didn't. The producers kept me in drips and drabs. They'd say things at the last second like, 'Don't pack yet,' or 'Can't go home yet, you're in the next episode.' Then it became, 'Actually we'll tell you when you can go home.' I started thinking, 'Wow, I'm never home anymore. I'm on this show more than a bunch of the people here.'"

Emerson's wife, actress Carrie Preston ("True Blood"), was a "Lost" maniac long before her hubby was cast on the show. She even talked herself into the role of Ben's mom ... sort of: "She made that happen almost by wishing for it. She'd always tell me, 'If I ever got on "Lost," I'd want to be your mother, like in a flashback.' I'd tell that story at parties, it was so silly. Everyone would crack up. But lo and behold, when they wrote that big flashback for me, who do you think the producers called?"

He guessed that Ben might be the ubervillain long before anyone told him. In fact, no one ever did tell him: "I learned the story at the same rate the audience was learning it. I didn't know where it was going. So because I had no backstory, somewhere along the line I began to think about Ben as this mysterious leader figure. When we shot the scene where I was being tortured by the plane crash survivors in the hatch, the director told me to act like I was really scared for my life, like I was innocent, like I wasn't one of the Others. And I said to him, 'But what if I'm their leader?' And he looked at me and blinked a couple of times and said, 'I can't talk about it' and ran away. I had to guess what was going on!"

"Lost" actors don't get scripts until the very last minute, but Emerson said there are ways to get the scoop: "If I wanted to call up certain technical department heads -- like costume or sound -- they have rough scripts early. They know the deal. Sometimes they've taken pity on me, letting me know if I need to ride a horse or play piano in an upcoming episode. Otherwise, I'm in the dark. But I've gotten used to it. Now, not knowing is part of the fun."

Really, the actors aren't just being coy. They know nothing. "We never see the writers. They come once a year after the last episode has been written. They come and visit us in Hawaii. And they're there for an afternoon. That's it."

He was just as surprised as audiences to learn that Ben single-handedly killed off all the members of the Dharma Initiative: "I was shocked by the darkness and ruthlessness of that act. That surprised me. I thought the writers were playing a game of "Let's keep everyone guessing about Ben.' I never thought that they would portray me so villainously as that. I spoke to the writers about that and, of course, they said, 'Don't worry, it gets recontextualized.' Hasn't happened yet. Maybe they're just pulling my leg."

He's got several of his own theories about Ben: "Is he really an industrialist? Is Ben just a commando leader? Or is it just one dimension of something else? In some other dimension are Ben and Charles Whitmore just two drinking buddies playing a video game? It's a mystery."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2008, 12:21:10 AM
Hutchison Reveals Lost Return

"I'm lost!" actor Doug Hutchison revealed with a laugh in an interview with SCIFI WIRE, referring to the return of his character, Horace Goodspeed, to ABC's SF series Lost in the upcoming fifth season for at least a four-episode arc.

Hutchison will reprise the role of the hippie Dharma Initiative member, who was apparently killed in an earlier season. He begins shooting sometime in the next two weeks.

Hutchison--a genre fan fave as Victor Tooms on The X-Files and as Loony Bin Jim in the upcoming Punisher: War Zone movie--admitted that prior to the offer to appear on Lost during season three, he'd never seen the show.

"I never really got into Lost," Hutchison said. "I never knew what it was about. I didn't understand it. The only thing I understood was that it was insanely popular with its fans. But my agents called me and said, 'They're really interested in you at Lost for this particular role.' I don't even remember what the role was, but it was a flashback, and that was it. It was basically one flashback in this episode, and, not having seen the show, I just made this silly assumption that this character and this flashback was finite."

Hutchison added: "So I really wasn't interested in just going to do one flashback in Lost, no matter how popular it was. On top of it, they wanted me to go and audition for this, because it's a huge show. Now, mind you, I'm not beyond auditioning at all. I've gone in to fight for roles that I love on television or movies or whatever. But it's got to be something I really want, that I'm really passionate about, for me to go in and try to fight for it. So I passed. I told my agents, 'I pass.' And they were not pleased. They were like, 'This is Lost. You don't understand.'"

Eventually, the Lost producers dropped the need for an audition and made a straight offer--the lure of 10 days in Hawaii won out, and Hutchison's portrayal of the easygoing hippie immediately stood out. "He's part of the Dharma Initiative," Hutchison explained. "He's this cool, weed-smoking sort of just laid-back throwback to the '60s. He's this cat who has flashbacks from the '60s to the '70s, all the way up to the '90s, and he's an integral part of the role of Ben [Michael Emerson] on the show and how Ben got started, because he knew him when Ben was a little boy."

Goodspeed was introduced, and died, within one episode. "So imagine my surprise when this past season, I get a call from my agents [saying], 'They want you again on Lost,'" Hutchison said. "I said, 'Well, wait a minute. Are these more flashbacks?' They said, 'No. It's current.' I said, 'I'm dead!' And they said, 'Yeah, well it's Lost.'"

"I got the script, and sure enough, now Horace Goodspeed...I don't know," Hutchison added. "I don't know what's going on. Nobody knows what's going on on that island, but I'm either a ghost or a memory, a figment of one's imagination or a piece of the island. I could be I'm conjured by the island. I shot that out in a day, and now I got a call from my agent about a month ago saying, 'Lost would like to have you do at least four episodes for this coming season, pending your availability.' I don't know what they have up their sleeve. I'm lost!"

All Hutchison really knows is, Goodspeed will be "resurrected in some incarnation."

As for other characters returning for season five, it's been leaked through various sources that Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) will be back, as will Ana-Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez). Emilie de Ravin is rumored to be back for season six.

Hutchison will next appear in a supernatural Western called The Burrowers (currently making the film festival circuit) and as a comic-book villain in Punisher: War Zone (Dec. 5). He is also the producer and creator of a new Web series called Vampire Killers!, which is set to debut on Oct. 1. Lost returns with new episodes in February 2009.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 09, 2008, 01:07:51 AM
Lost Intel: Learn Why the Oceanic Six Must Reunite
Source: E Online

Lost's fifth-season premiere is still at least four months away, but I've just gotten some exclusive insight into next year's stories.

In particular, I can now tell you why it is that the Oceanic Six must all reunite in order to get back to the Island.

Want to know why Kate (with baby Aaron), Jack, Sayid, Hurley and Sun are going to have to put their differences aside and go "all for one, and one for all" this year?

Well, remember what Michael Emerson recently said about Ben's statement that if any of them are to return to the Island, everyone who escaped has to go back too? He said, "I think [that dictate is] a scientific condition of the mechanism by which the Island operates. I don't think it's an esoteric or spiritual issue, I think it's science."

He wasn't just talking pretty. What I'm hearing is that the reason Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun and Hurley need to reunite is because the Oceanic Six need to fan out to a group of Dharma stations.

Even more intriguing? According to my source, these stations are not on the Island, but in other locations, and these off-Island stations are believed to be the ticket to getting back to the Island.

(Remember, the Island moved in the finale. The Island may have gone to another place...or it may have hopped into another time.)

So how does this all work? And where in the world are these stations? We'll have to tune into what is looking like an exciting fifth season in order to see.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on October 23, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
season 5 trailer! (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/10/lost_season_5_trailer_gunplay.html)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on October 26, 2008, 11:10:09 AM
quick review of the blu-ray version of lost - season 4 (region b)

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv720%2Fithica45%2FPicture001.jpg&hash=d95d4c921a8cb96744cc2e05cce481ff9b85ae9d)

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv720%2Fithica45%2FPicture002.jpg&hash=e7e70a198d09908ca38c5f8d85507dfcf181fdad)

i'm halfway through the season and so far "the constant" is the best episode. i have seen the episodes before but in far more less resolution on my computer. the blu-ray pictures offers a sharp yet a bit grainy picture. the graininess is not distracting although it especially shows during close ups. the colors are warm and inviting, the island haven't looked more beautiful than now. :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 07, 2008, 10:02:00 PM
AMAZING NEWS!!!

"Lost" is coming back, and sooner than you might think.

Sources say ABC is scheduling a two-hour premiere for the fifth season debut of the Emmy-winning thriller on Wednesday, Jan. 21. The premiere will be preceded by a one-hour clip show (so three hours of "Lost" total).

That means "Lost" is returning to its Wednesday-at-9 p.m. time period. The most recent fourth season aired on Thursdays -- first at 9 p.m., then shifting to 10 p.m. after "Grey's Anatomy" returned to air following the writers strike. The new premiere date is also slightly earlier than last season.

ABC has lined up 17 episodes for 2009, which is one hour more than the show's now-standard 16-episode tally. The network added an extra hour to compensate for last year, which was cut short due to the strike. Also, yesterday THR reported that Reiko Aylesworth is in negotiations for a major recurring role on the show.

The recently picked up "Private Practice" is currently in the same slot and there's no word yet where it will go once "Lost"returns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on November 08, 2008, 09:35:59 AM
i like your wallpaper , mogs. very scandinavian .
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 23, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
New Trailer here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX7md0HoR8E)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2008, 01:58:57 PM
Lindelof: No Lost Movie

Damon Lindelof, co-creator and co-executive producer of ABC's Lost, told reporters that there will not be a feature film based on the show. Or, he hastened to add, it won't happen on his watch.

"The answer is no," Lindelof said in a Dec. 2 online roundtable with journalists while promoting the upcoming season-four DVD set and year five of the hit ABC show. "At least not by us. We've always felt that the show should definitively end the same place it started ... on television."

A film, Lindelof argued, would be unfair to those devoted viewers expecting to see story threads--What's up with that island? What is the fate of the Oceanic Six? And everyone else?--resolved by the time the series ends in 2010, following the last episode of its sixth season.

"To bring our characters to some sort of cliffhanger," Lindelof explained, "where the audience gets none of the answers that they really care about, and then say, 'Now give us 10 bucks. Buy some popcorn, and we'll give you the rest!' [That] would pretty much be the worst thing ever."

Lost returns for its fifth season on Jan. 21, 2009, at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2008, 09:38:41 PM
Sneek Peek scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2kjlOG1yRo
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on December 02, 2008, 10:19:33 PM
kickass shit!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on December 03, 2008, 02:33:00 AM
the squinty, untrustworthy guy stole the scene.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 04, 2008, 12:48:48 AM
Lost Season Five Will Change Things

ABC's Lost, unlike most television series, actually tries to jump the shark, producers said. Shorter seasons mean faster-paced stories with no so-called "stalling." And audience reaction will not--and cannot--affect most episodes in the upcoming fifth season of the SF show.

Those were a few more of the season-five-centric spoilers dropped by executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse on Dec. 2 in an online roundtable in support of the Dec. 9 release of Lost: The Complete Fourth Season on DVD and Blu-ray.

Following are excerpts from part two of the conversation with Lindelof and Cuse.

It seems that next season will have A-stories set in two time frames. Does this mean you have to outline stories in advance in ways you never did before?

Cartlon Cuse: Our approach to the storytelling changed drastically once we were able to negotiate an end date to the show. Before that we didn't know if the mythology had to last two seasons or seven seasons. Once we knew there were only going to be 48 episodes of the show left, we were able to start charting out the remaining journey. We approach it on three levels. First, we have discussions about the uber-mythology and plant the big landmark events in rough locations. Then, at the end of each season, we have a writer's mini-camp where we discuss the arc of the upcoming season in great detail. Then we break each individual episode and see where we end up at the end of each break. We give ourselves a fair amount of latitude to listen to the show and react--writing more or less for various characters or situations depending on how they play.

By having shorter seasons now, do you feel the storytelling has become much easier, or do you feel regret and often go, "Man, it would be great to have three more episodes?"

Damon Lindelof: The storytelling has never been easy, but we've always felt that "less is more." The complaint that we got most often in the first couple seasons of the show is that we were not moving the story forward fast enough--"stalling"--which, unfortunately, is a necessary tactic when you're doing 25 episodes a year. The truth is that we actually liked those episodes low on incident--Claire sends a message on a bird, anyone? But the show is much more fun to write when we can just power through and give you guys a hearty meal as opposed to a zillion little courses that never quite get you full.

We hear a lot of shows accused of jumping the shark. Is it even possible for a show as time-bending and surprise-laden as Lost to jump the shark? In other words, how often do you guys say, "Hmm, that's going too far?"

Cuse: We actually try and jump the shark all the time. The last thing we want to do is feel like the show is falling into a tired paradigm. In fact, this season we start out with a new narrative approach. Not the now traditional flashbacks or flash-forwards. We always are trying to keep the storytelling surprising.

Now that you are nearly finished with writing season five, how does it feel to know you are so close to the home stretch in this odyssey? Has it brought out reflections or feelings you didn't expected either personally about the process or towards the storyline?

Cuse: I think all of us who work on the show know what a special experience it is. Our ability to negotiate an end date to the show so far in advance was, I believe, unprecedented in network TV. It has given us a real sense of what the journey is going to be. Normally when you work on a TV show you never know when it is going to end. You're just trying to survive season to season until the proverbial horse drops out from underneath you. We're not quite far enough along yet to start to wax nostalgic, but I think we all recognize that we've had a chance to do something really extraordinary. I was watching all the bonus features (on the season-four DVD) and thinking about the special alchemy of Lost. You can do your best as a storyteller, but on TV you also need a great cast, crew, directors, composer, etc. You really see on those features what a collaborative art form it is. We are truly blessed that this assembly of talent came together for this project. The journey of making a show over six years and the hours it takes really makes you a family, and we're about as happy and as functional a TV family as I've ever seen or worked with.

Nikki and Paolo did not strike a chord with the audience and were killed off. How do you draw a line between making the audience happy and telling the story you set out to tell?

Cuse: It's now kind of a moot point. Moving forward, it will be virtually impossible for us to adjust in-season to audience feedback. By the time the show premieres on Jan. 21, we will have written 14 of the 17 hours and probably will be deep into the specific scene plotting for the finale. This season we're going to be completely relying on our own instincts and judgments, combined with the feedback of our collaborators here on the show and at the studio and network.

Do you feel that the various viral campaigns that have been tied to the show are essential for understanding the mythology? Is there a risk of losing more casual viewers who can't keep track of the complex mythology?

Cuse: We consider the viral campaigns to just be additive and non-essential. Our rule of thumb is you should not need to watch anything but the mothership, the network show, to have a complete understanding--or at least as much as that is possible--of the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 16, 2008, 12:44:28 AM
New Clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PvsM5Qm50A
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 29, 2008, 01:59:31 AM
New Promo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXAz78Rhguo
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on December 29, 2008, 02:35:39 AM
Less than a month to go...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 08, 2009, 12:43:19 AM
So the excitement got to me and for the past two nights I re-watched the last 3 final episodes of Season 4, in preparation for the new season. Two problems: One, I should have watched the entire season from the beginning. Two, I should have done it closer to the date because now I have the fucking anxiety for this all over again!


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 11, 2009, 11:35:43 PM
'Lost'
Time travel? Rescue? Expect the creative forces to keep viewers on a roller coaster during the penultimate season.
By Maria Elena Fernandez; Los Angeles Times

It's been eight months since the island moved us. Yes, we know that's not island time -- because we also know that we have no idea what island time is.

What we do know is that we, the " Lost" couch potato castaways, saw Ben turn the wheel hidden in a room below the unfamiliar Dharma Orchid Station, the sky white out, and the island vanish. All of this culminated a time-traveling, Emmy-nominated season of past and future stories that split up the "Lost" tribe -- rescuing some people after 108 days, leaving some to linger on the island, and killing others.

If none of the above makes sense to you, yes, it's too late to pick "Lost" up now. That's what DVDs are for.

For four seasons, viewers have flashed back and forward through a maze of puzzles. When the penultimate season of the ABC hit premieres on Jan. 21, executive producers promise that answers will come our way, but it might take fans a moment to notice -- because the fifth season takes viewers on yet another narrative roller coaster.

"Although the show occupies the same world, we're always driven not by rules but by what is the best way to tell stories in any given season," executive producer Carlton Cuse said. "Viewers will have to adjust to a little bit of a different mode this year, but we think that in that challenge also is the excitment that keeps 'Lost' fresh."

First, we got to know our castaways through flashbacks of events that happened before Oceanic Flight 815 crashed in the South Pacific on Sept. 22, 2004. Then, viewers caught glimpses of them in the future, a future that revealed that some of them were rescued. The groundbreaking storytelling then took another turn when viewers became privy to future events that predated the future they'd already seen.

This season, the flashbacks and flashforwards will still exist, but another storytelling approach will dominate. And in classic "Lost" tradition, the producers won't explain what they're doing ahead of time.

"We're really happy with the scripts that we're writing, but at the same time, there's this complete sense of fear and second-guessing in terms of whether or not the audience is going to groove on what we're doing," co-creator and executive producer Damon Lindelof said. "The show is taking on a new model in terms of the way we tell stories and finding a balance between what's happening off the island and on the island. Are the characters having an emotional experience no matter how crazy it is? That's the part we're focused on."

The first seven episodes will focus on the aftermath of Ben's (Michael Emerson) pronouncement to Jack ( Matthew Fox) in the last scene of last season that the Oceanic 6 must all return to the island, including Locke (Terry O'Quinn), who has died. Jack's challenge is to enlist the rescued castaways to go back, but that will prove tricky since he and Kate (Evangeline Lily) have broken up; Sayid (Naveen Andrews) is trotting the globe, killing people for Ben with Hurley (Jorge Garcia) in his custody; and Sun (Yunjin Kim) has gone rogue.

Viewers also will see what's happened to Penny (Sonya Walger) and Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) after she rescued him and learn how Locke left the island and later died. The story of Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), who left the island two seasons ago, will continue, though his father, Michael (Harold Perrineau), died attempting to return to the island in the season finale. Sawyer (Josh Holloway), Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) and Charlotte (Rebecca Mader) survive on the island.

"The conventional thinking might be that we're going to spend the entire season telling the story of how and if these charcters are able to make it back to the island," Lindelof said. "That's not what we're doing. Not by any stretch of the imagination."

Since death on "Lost" is a relative term, as Cuse likes to say, fans can expect to see more of Jin ( Daniel Dae Kim) whether he survived the freighter explosion or not; the mysterious Christian Shephard (John Terry), whose death caused his son, Jack, to be on the doomed airliner; and Rousseau (Mira Furlan), who was shot to death. The ageless Richard Alpert (Nestor Carbonell) will pop up again. Although fans do not know what happened to Claire (Emilie de Ravin) -- the actress does not have a regular role this season, mind you -- she will appear during the season.

For that matter, so will Vincent the dog, the only character the producers have committed to keeping alive for the entire run of the series.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 17, 2009, 01:28:57 AM
A 'Lost' season of time shifting, Sawyer ahead

UNIVERSAL CITY, Calif. – The producers of "Lost" say the new season will emphasize time shifting along with Sawyer, the repentant con man played by Josh Holloway.

"Lost" executive producer Carlton Cuse says navigating between the past, present and future is a challenge but the potential for exciting storytelling makes it worthwhile.

Cuse and fellow executive producer Damon Lindelof told a meeting of the Television Critics Association Friday that the character of Sawyer has a lot to do this season — and viewers will see a lot of him from the start.

Cuse says there's even something in the show for people who aren't huge time travel fans. The first episode features a shirtless Sawyer.

The fifth season of "Lost" opens with a two-hour episode 9 p.m. EST Wednesday, Jan. 21, on ABC.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 19, 2009, 04:51:37 PM
Breaking News: 'LOST' PRODUCERS TALK ABOUT TIME TRAVEL IN SEASON 5
Plus more on that four-toed statue as the series begins Season 5 on January 21

THE SKINNY: While speaking from ABC's Winter TCA session today, LOST executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse teased about what to expect during their fifth season which debuts January 21.

"Part of what we hope to give the audience this year is some greater sense of the island's history, starting and stopping, and what is that four-toed statue?" says Cuse who notes time travel will play a huge part of the season as well. "When we introduced [the statue], it was to sort of show that the history of the island was a long one and that statue was built a long time ago and people have been on that island. What this season will explore, as they're skipping through time, we'll learn more about what happened to the island in the past."

The producers also talked again about setting an end date for LOST, so they could wrap the stories up properly.

"We got to the point in Season 3 where the show had reached that point where it was treading into an area of complete and utter suckiness and we had a decision to make – 'is it going to have an end date or get cancelled?'" says Lindeloff. "It simply couldn't go on the way it was. The story we would be telling, if we didn't have an end date, [would have resulted in] someone being up  here talking about LOST. All these ideas, flash forwards, and entering into the end game of our story, the significant amount of time travel story, was part of our plan. We couldn't do any of that, until we worked toward an end point."

For Cuse, he feels that the mystery has been a big part of the show for longtime viewers, but being able to pay that off slowly has also been part of the fun of working on LOST.

"The show is ultimately a mystery show and the viewers are engaged by the mystery," says Cuse. "I think one of the things, moving into the fifth season, we always said two things would become more apparent as you watched. It doesn't reduce things down to one simple thesis statement. You don't know enough to theorize how it's going to conclude. You don't have enough information. I think it's fair in that sense. The people who like LOST the most, appreciate the journey, not the destination, and that's how we hope viewers will approach the show."


'LOST'S' JIN WILL BE A REGULAR IN SEASON 5, WHILE CLAIRE WILL SHOW UP IN SEASON 6
The executive producers say her story is not over yet

THE SKINNY: While speaking from ABC's Winter TCA session today, LOST executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse teased about the future of the characters of Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) and Claire (Emily de Ravin) on the long-running show.

"You will definitely see Jin this season," says Cuse. "We're not saying Jin is currently alive after the explosion of the freighter. Since we're telling stories both in the past, present and future, we just won't tell you when it's occurring. Claire is not a series regular this year and her story is not over. You'll see more of her in season 6. "
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 20, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
Just... start... already...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on January 21, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Today's the day and two episode premier, yay!  :onfire:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 21, 2009, 12:52:31 PM
is it two episode for sure? i know these fuckers and their marketing gimmicks and they have only been saying "the premiere event". sounds like the first hour is a recap of everything and then the episode? hope i'm wrong
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on January 21, 2009, 01:01:35 PM
If not two episodes then it's a two hour episode starting 8pm central time, before that at 7pm CT there is a clip show.

http://abc.go.com/

click on schedule.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on January 21, 2009, 03:43:55 PM
Apparently it's 2 episodes:
Because You Left. Ben and Jack attempt to convince the Oceanic 6 to return to save the others; the other survivors begin to feel the effect of moving the island.

The Lie. Hurley and Sayid find themselves on the run from the cops; the island survivors come under attack; an old friend ensures that Kate keeps "the lie" a secret.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 21, 2009, 10:03:21 PM
Gosh this is starting to get quite fucked up. It was pretty good I guess.

Nit picking : They can't change anything yet they can kill people ? What these are meaningless lives and therefore do not matter in the space/time continuum ? whatever as soon as you put time travel in something you will fail at keeping anything logical.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 22, 2009, 01:10:09 AM
As much as I hate her, that "What if I was real?" bit was awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on January 22, 2009, 02:02:13 AM
Quite good and I was immensely happy about all of it. Though I had some stranger things on my mind.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 22, 2009, 02:02:50 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on January 21, 2009, 10:03:21 PM
Nit picking : They can't change anything yet they can kill people ? What these are meaningless lives and therefore do not matter in the space/time continuum ? whatever as soon as you put time travel in something you will fail at keeping anything logical.


SOME SPOILERS, although its clear if you did not watch you should not be here by now!

They can die because if they die there it does not change the future. It makes total sense (if we can call anything about this fricking show making sense).

It was very good, but too crazy. I need time to process and more episodes. Of course after so much wait and excitement I would have enjoyed even if they show Kate playing chess with Hurley for two hours. I dont give a damn, but I think maybe some of the previous season openers were better without being all over the fucking place.

The whole jumping back and forth is pure insanity. Would love to know where that is going. The present part with the Oceanic Six was all pretty good.

Some of the best things I can recall:

- Desmond opening the hatch and finding Faraday.
- That annoying bastard getting shot by the flaming arrow.
- Sayid killing the guy with the knifes on the dishwasher.
- Sawyer and Hurley having more screen time.
- Hurley's storytelling of everything that happened to his mom.
- "Why is there a dead pakistani in my couch?"

Lost is back and that is good enough!




Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 22, 2009, 07:34:48 AM
Quote from: kal on January 22, 2009, 02:02:50 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on January 21, 2009, 10:03:21 PM
Nit picking : They can't change anything yet they can kill people ? What these are meaningless lives and therefore do not matter in the space/time continuum ? whatever as soon as you put time travel in something you will fail at keeping anything logical.


SOME SPOILERS, although its clear if you did not watch you should not be here by now!

They can die because if they die there it does not change the future. It makes total sense (if we can call anything about this fricking show making sense).

Well it doesn't change the future of the oceanic people but it sure as fuck changes their future (being dead vs being alive). And my friend told me : ''Well maybe they were gonna die anyway later on in the story so it doesn't really change the future'' to which I reply : ''well aren't we all ?''





As far as the story goes, after 1 hour everybody in the room asked : ''OK now when is this happening?''. We figured it out with Aaron being older but still it was confusing as hell.

Anyway I still liked it but I predict a major drop in ratings in the 18-35-good-looking-female sector.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 22, 2009, 07:56:28 AM
Why doesn't Desmond remember Faraday?

And who points the knives upward in a dishwasher? Garden State all over again.

Neil was quite the fucking red shirt.

I loved these episodes, and this is the first time I need to see an episode for a second time because so much happened.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 22, 2009, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on January 22, 2009, 07:56:28 AM

And who points the knives upward in a dishwasher? Garden State all over again.


I do. Who knows when you're gonna need your dishwasher to kill someone.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on January 22, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: kal on January 22, 2009, 02:02:50 AM
- That annoying bastard getting shot by the flaming arrow.

why couldn't Bernard & Rose get shot too?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on January 22, 2009, 01:23:52 PM
OILERS-SPAY

I didn't really think it was that "Crazy".  I actually appreciated them just getting things moving immediately instead of just going for "mind-blowing moments"

I knew Frogurt was a red-shirt immediately... so funny when he died.

The reveal toward the end of the second episode was obviously supposed to be a bigger deal than it was... I had to look her up and then when I remember who she was, it wasn't a big deal to me.  I think that's good though... I think it means that things are fitting together... they're making sense in the big picture.

Quote from: Pozer on January 22, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
why couldn't Bernard & Rose get shot too?

You have no heart... Bern and Rose are great!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on January 22, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on January 22, 2009, 01:23:52 PM
I knew Frogurt was a red-shirt immediately... so funny when he died.

Jack has such a perfect haircut & nicely trimmed facial hair. who's the barber on the island? hopefully it wasn't annoying Neil.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 22, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on January 22, 2009, 07:56:28 AM
Why doesn't Desmond remember Faraday?

At that point in time, they didn't know each other. They were in the past when Desmond was still living in the hatch pushing the button. Faraday had to basically do what he did when Desmond freaked out on the helicopter ride to the freighter in Season 4; in his journal he had written, "If anything happens, Desmond Hume will be my constant."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on January 22, 2009, 04:04:24 PM
it's been brought to my attention that locke's "vision" leading him to the yellow plane in season one wasn't really a psychic vision, so much as it was a memory of what he "saw" when he time traveled.

whoa.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 22, 2009, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on January 22, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on January 22, 2009, 07:56:28 AM
Why doesn't Desmond remember Faraday?

At that point in time, they didn't know each other. They were in the past when Desmond was still living in the hatch pushing the button. Faraday had to basically do what he did when Desmond freaked out on the helicopter ride to the freighter in Season 4; in his journal he had written, "If anything happens, Desmond Hume will be my constant."

I worded my question wrong, and I had a really long conversation with some friends which didn't sort out anything. I will try this again, apologies.

Desmond, in Season 4, meets Faraday at some point on the island, before the helicopter ride to the freighter and the electrical storm. Why at this point does he not remember meeting Faraday back when he was in the yellow suit and pressing the button in the hatch?

Is it because Desmond is special and he can have his past changed, and at that moment, Faraday did just that, prompting Desmond to wake up and 'remember' meeting Faraday? I think I just figured it out, but feel free to let me know.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 22, 2009, 10:13:54 PM
Yeah what bothered me about the encounter is that Desmond comes out with the suit and all, but he sees Faraday is breathing and everything is fine outside. So how come he still did not know until later on (whenever its that he discovers the truth that we see on Season 2)?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on January 23, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
they did not go into this in the show (obviously), but here is my theory, based on some observations from some of you other guys.

it is repeatedly said that the future cannot be changed once one goes back in time. lots of you are saying "well what about that guy that was killed? doesn't that affect the future?" no, b/c in the linear timeline, the one that gets us to the present, events are not changed. desmond did NOT really meet faraday when he was back in the hatch and wearing the hazmat suit to go outside, otherwise he would have left the hatch much earlier than he did and the plane wouldn't have even crashed on the island in the first place. just like when he was in the army and met faraday at the university. that never REALLY happened otherwise desmond's whole life would have been different. instead, what faraday did when he went back in time and met desmond was create what in the back to the future universe is an alternate timeline. the present/future is unalterable, but you CAN go back into your past and do things differently. this, i believe, creates traces for the characters in their present. desmond for some reason wakes up with penny and remembers faraday meeting him at the hatch years earlier, but i don't think it's a clear memory of something that happened, more like a feeling, he can feel this alternate reality even though it never occurred in his present. just like how faraday has "desmond hume will be my constant" written in his journals but has no memory of desmond meeting him at the university because it never happened in this reality. abucks argument about locke being able to find the drug plane early on in the series would fit this theory. so you CAN change the future, but it's hazier than just going back in time to change things.

or i'm just totally nuts. what do you think?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 23, 2009, 06:08:28 AM
I am with bonanzataz with this one. I think it was referred in The Constant that time travel is something more mental than physical. So you can't change the past, but what you can do is go back to the past and find a constant that works like a memory that can help you change the future. So that guy didn't really die, nor did Penny really have Desmond go to her house and tell her to call him. What Desmond did was implant some sort of a memory that made her call Desmond at the boat in the future. At least that's the way I'm looking at the whole thing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 23, 2009, 07:46:56 AM
Quote from: abuck1220 on January 22, 2009, 04:04:24 PM
it's been brought to my attention that locke's "vision" leading him to the yellow plane in season one wasn't really a psychic vision, so much as it was a memory of what he "saw" when he time traveled.

whoa.

Holy shiiiiiiit that's nice
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on January 23, 2009, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on January 23, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
or i'm just totally nuts. what do you think?
Can it be both?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 23, 2009, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on January 23, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
they did not go into this in the show (obviously), but here is my theory, based on some observations from some of you other guys.

it is repeatedly said that the future cannot be changed once one goes back in time. lots of you are saying "well what about that guy that was killed? doesn't that affect the future?" no, b/c in the linear timeline, the one that gets us to the present, events are not changed

Are you referring to the guy that gets the fire arrows in the chest ? I was referring to the Others who were killed. Now when you say that in the linear timeline events are not changed, it is a ''Oceanic-centric'' point of view. Because for everyone that was in contact with the killed Others, events HAVE changed. Their son is dead or whatever. No ? Am I not getting your point ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on January 23, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Request for HELP!

I lost my damn sat signal on wednesday, so obviously I didn't see shit, so I started to dl the two eps. yesterday in the morning, Ep 2 is already dl'd but 1 isn't, so, do you guys know of a good fast torrent for S05E01???????

Please PM me if you find a good one, I won't be clicking to check if someone posts here so PLEASE send me a PM, help a xaxer out to catch up this weekend!!!


This is the useless torrent I've been trying to dl:
LOST.S05E01.HSTV.XviD-PusherCrew (yep, I've tried to dl others with no luck)
currently at fucking 29% for more than 24hrs.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: OrHowILearnedTo on January 23, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
the first two episodes will air again saturday night (i think)


anyone else think Dr. Candle's (the host of the orientation videos) son is Miles? It seemed they emphasized the relationship with his baby in the short time we saw him. Plus Miles is psychic, and like his (theorized) dad, is a bit of an asshole.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on January 23, 2009, 03:47:24 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on January 23, 2009, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: bonanzataz on January 23, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
they did not go into this in the show (obviously), but here is my theory, based on some observations from some of you other guys.

it is repeatedly said that the future cannot be changed once one goes back in time. lots of you are saying "well what about that guy that was killed? doesn't that affect the future?" no, b/c in the linear timeline, the one that gets us to the present, events are not changed

Are you referring to the guy that gets the fire arrows in the chest ? I was referring to the Others who were killed. Now when you say that in the linear timeline events are not changed, it is a ''Oceanic-centric'' point of view. Because for everyone that was in contact with the killed Others, events HAVE changed. Their son is dead or whatever. No ? Am I not getting your point ?


read el panda's post, i think he explains it better. the others that die in the altered past don't really die b/c the past cannot be altered. think about it like dickens' christmas carol. scrooge can go in the past, but he can't interact with it or change it. in lost, they can interact with it, but it's still more like just a memory and they still can't change it. even when they change something in their new memory of the past, the only lingering aftereffect in the present is a trace in which a constant (like desmond with faraday or penny) can somehow implant a sort of memory, like deja vu or something. it's not a real or tangible memory, it's more like a feeling.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on January 23, 2009, 04:07:35 PM
Thanks to mac and bonz for their help, I have a good torrent and a youtube link that is working fine now. :yabbse-smiley:

Quote from: OrHowILearnedTo on January 23, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
the first two episodes will air again saturday night (i think)

yep, I know they repeat the show on saturday, but I don't know if I'll have my sat signal back. still thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on January 25, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
looks like ep 2 will run at 7 on wednesday.

it's really cool that we had to wait sooooo long for the premiere...then we get another one in just one week!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 25, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: abuck1220 on January 25, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
looks like ep 2 will run at 7 on wednesday.

it's really cool that we had to wait sooooo long for the premiere...then we get another one in just one week!

thats usually the way television works :) welcome to earth
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on January 25, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: kal on January 25, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
welcome to earth

http://welcomexenu.ytmnd.com/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on January 26, 2009, 03:19:59 PM
a few days later but finally catched up.

when Faraday tells desmond about having to go to oxford and meet his mother, could that be Ms. Hawking??

I also wondered about Miles being Dr. Candle's son...


Quote from: Pozer on January 22, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: kal on January 22, 2009, 02:02:50 AM
- That annoying bastard getting shot by the flaming arrow.

why couldn't Bernard & Rose get shot too?

haha, yeah I thought about that too
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 28, 2009, 09:03:03 PM
EPIC !

What a great ep ! No Jack is fun !

I'll talk about it later when there's no spoilers risk
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on January 28, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
seriously, what an amazing show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 28, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
SPOILERS

What an amazing episode. My head is running at light speed to figure out the storylines. Here are some burning questions:

- Obviously the old woman is Faraday's mom. We knew that before. But she is also the girl who was in the past pointing at him with the gun, apparently.

- And Widmore was there at the same time, so maybe he is Faraday's father?

- We saw Alpert visiting John Locke when he was a kid, so this encounter is what initiated it all? It was Locke himself who told Richard to go see him.

- What is the deal with the girl who's 'brain is traveling through time'? Who was she? Just a test subject or someone important?

- How awesome is that Desmond/Penny named the kid CHARLIE.

- Desmond and Widmore was also a great moment in the episode.

- One thing that seems odd. Charles Widmore looks to be at least 20 in 1954? So how the fuck is he still so young in 2004 or 2007 or whatever year they are in the present/future? Did he do some time traveling himself? He does not seem like he is almost 80. Maybe he did his share of time travel?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on January 29, 2009, 12:09:04 AM
Oh my god kal, you are right or you should be right.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 29, 2009, 12:13:09 AM
i am LOVING this season so much. it's like when you're watching a pretty good mysterious movie and despite loving the mystery of it you know there's going to be some kind of amazing payoff/explanation for everything except this payoff is 34 HOURS LONG. and i'm loving not having real flashbacks/flashforwards. we are firmly rooted in the adventure as it unfolds. no more building characters/backstories (at least not in a flashbacky way). i also enjoyed the time off from jack and kate and hurley this ep. but missed ben.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 29, 2009, 01:20:59 AM
That moment when Faraday professes his love to Charlotte was so touching. I wasn't a big fan of hers last season, but after rewatching the shows on DVD, she seriously grew on me and now I care so much about her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on January 29, 2009, 07:05:45 AM
i too am totally loving this season, although i'm finding it way more complicated than seasons prior (which is fine. just getting slow in my old age). i've started a new thing where i throw lostacos parties (watch lost, eat tacos) at my place. anyone in NYC who wants to join us feel free!

Spoiler: ShowHide
at the end of the episode, when they time traveled again and the tents were gone, was i the only one who was totally expecting some kind of dinosaur to make an appearance?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 29, 2009, 08:49:45 AM
kal, your point about Faraday's potential parents are the exact same points my friend made, and it's bizarre.

I agree with cbrad, this season is really having me think and even struggle a little bit to understand it all.

I think it'll be cute when we find out they named their kid "Charlie Rose." When they showed the kid being born, I declared, "It's JACK!" It would be awesome/insane if I'm right.

SPOILS

A fucking hydrogen bomb???? I loved the "bury it" logic, that was smart stuff, really understanding of the time travel of the show, which makes me hopeful that I'll eventually understand it.

Meeting Richard Alpert here and establishing Locke's birthday, I couldn't believed they tied that back to season, what, 3? That was impressive. Also, I want to go back and revisit season 3 for anymore potential clues. But who knows if there are any?

Are we going to meet a corporeal Jacob? I think so. It seems like Alpert is totally crazy right now, and he may actually be respecting a literal chain of command.

Time to distract myself with Lostpedia.

EDIT/SPOILSSSSS

Little girl's name is Ellie. Eloise is the name of Faraday's rat. Whooooooaaaaaa
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 29, 2009, 10:29:10 AM
What's up with Lost's Nestor Carbonell not aging? And the 'guyliner'?

Nestor Carbonell—who is again playing the mysterious, apparently ageless Richard Alpert in the fifth season of ABC's Lost—told SCI FI Wire that he understands if viewers are a little disoriented by the show's time-jumping storyline this year: So is he.

"I'm a little dizzy," Carbonell admitted in an exclusive interview on Wednesday. "Initially, it took me, in the first episode, [a moment to figure out] 'OK, when am I exactly? Where are we, and when am I?' But, no, it didn't take long. I think the viewers, after this episode [that aired Jan. 28], the show very much settles down, and you get the gist of the season, that you're going to be dealing with some elements of time travel."

Carbonell—who was initially hired in the third season for only a quick guest spot—will instead be appearing in the rest of season five and the balance of the show, which is set to wrap in 2010, executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse told reporters at this month's Television Critics Association winter press tour in Universal City, Calif.

Carbonell spoke with SCI FI Wire to promote the DVD release of the slasher film Killer Movie. The following Q&A features edited excerpts from that interview. Lost airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

It must be a great deal to be so sought after by the producers that they hire you for the rest of the show.

Carbonell: Oh, it was great, and I never know what's going to happen. It just started out as an audition for a guest spot, third season. Even though I was told it was possibly recurring, they called me about six episodes after I shot that, kind of out of the blue for me, and told me they wanted me to go to the island for about five episodes. The role grew from there. You just never know, but, yes, it was great. It was great that they were so enthusiastic. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled to be a part of it. ...

It appears that Alpert is ageless. Does it affect the way you play him?

Carbonell: I'm not playing him as if he's 100 years old or several hundred years old. It's very clear, obviously, that the guy doesn't age, but I think there is something to being a guy who's been around, a guy with some wisdom, a shrewd man who's seen a lot in his times here on this island and abroad. I hope that carries in some way into the character. ...

At the TV Critics Association press tour, some reporters asked if you wore eyeliner, which Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse denied. What do you think of this?

Carbonell: My brother sent me this link about the TCA, where you guys were at. Someone had asked about whether I was wearing eyeliner. I think Carlton came to my defense, and he said, "He's 100 percent sans makeup" or something like that. I could see why some people would think I have eyeliner on because [my eyelashes] are dark. Especially the bottom row, they're pretty dark. I've been dealing with it since I was a little kid, and so to me it's very funny when it comes up, especially at TCA. My brother told me to look online and sort of Google something about that, and my name came up as a couple things. One of them was Maybelline Man. I've been dubbed by some people as Guyliner. It's very amusing.

Have any of your Dark Knight friends called you to be their plus-one for the Oscars? [Carbonell appeared in the movie in the role of Gotham City mayor Anthony Garcia.]

Carbonell: Oh, the plus-one thing? No, not yet. I have a plus-one, so I couldn't be someone else's plus-one, but no. I haven't been anybody's plus-one yet. I'll be watching. Hey, I may be in Hawaii [where Lost shoots].
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on January 29, 2009, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: kal on January 28, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
SPOILERS

- We saw Alpert visiting John Locke when he was a kid, so this encounter is what initiated it all? It was Locke himself who told Richard to go see him.

does anyone knows in which episode happens that???


amazing episode indeed, I loved locke's expresion when he realized he's meeting a young charles widmore, also like mac, that moment with faraday and charlotte was very touching.

this show IS insane.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 29, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Quote from: Fernando on January 29, 2009, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: kal on January 28, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
SPOILERS

- We saw Alpert visiting John Locke when he was a kid, so this encounter is what initiated it all? It was Locke himself who told Richard to go see him.
does anyone knows in which episode happens that???

Episode 4X11 "Cabin Fever"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmKcKiz05Ns
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on January 29, 2009, 03:53:31 PM
so, so great. i'm finally convinced that all the loose ends will be tied up, that it will all make sense. i feel like i'm in good hands.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 29, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
Holy shit, so rewatching Flashes Before Your Eyes, I was wondering why Desmond could see Charlie dying, in terms of what we now know on about time travel on the show. Why can he see into the future at this point? I'm not totally sure, but I think I hit a breakthrough when i realized that Charlie is Desmond's first constant, after he turns the key. Maybe they have a special connection in that way. The idea of a constant isn't around at this point, but it's interesting that he runs into Charlie in his time slipping and can suddenly know that Charlie is going to die.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm just trying to rationalize something that I had forgotten about, the flashes Desmond experienced.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 29, 2009, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on January 29, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
Holy shit, so rewatching Flashes Before Your Eyes, I was wondering why Desmond could see Charlie dying, in terms of what we now know on about time travel on the show. Why can he see into the future at this point? I'm not totally sure, but I think I hit a breakthrough when i realized that Charlie is Desmond's first constant, after he turns the key. Maybe they have a special connection in that way. The idea of a constant isn't around at this point, but it's interesting that he runs into Charlie in his time slipping and can suddenly know that Charlie is going to die.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm just trying to rationalize something that I had forgotten about, the flashes Desmond experienced.

Never thought about that, but it makes total sense. Damn, this show is sweet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 30, 2009, 03:18:26 AM
don't read this if you haven't seen the latest ep!

i rewatched Cabin Fever and realized this latest episode has informed Locke's character more than any other in an amazing way. i think much of every instinct he's had about trusting/being loyal to the island has been the result of this time-traveling glitch! he's seemingly implanted that trust into his psyche by leaving this emotional residue in time for his younger self to pick up. wicked awesome stuff.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 04, 2009, 09:49:18 PM
(spoilers... although i think just entering this thread without being caught up is a bad idea)

not as good as last week, but it seems to be putting the pieces into place. once again the off island happenings were rather boring (and pointless... that scene with claires mom was as cheap a misdirection as last years jin/sun episode).  who do you think was in the raft chasing after them? i'm guessing it's probably someone we know... or will know, and unfortunately juliet probably shot one of them. i'm wondering what jin's involvement with rousseau's crew will mean for their storyline. daniel's insistence that they can't significantly change the future will be put to the test. 

loved ben's casual admittance that he was the one behind the court ordered blood test.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 05, 2009, 07:45:17 AM
how to follow up a perfect Lost episode ? With the shittiest one since the ''Nicky and Paulo'' debacle.

Laaaaame writing all around. Cheap stuff really :

-Claire's mom, WHATEVER. The whole ''Someone is trying to take away Aaron'' is booooring.
-The guy who attacks Sayid ... oh god, what a bad action sequence that was. Looked like a Batman episode.
-Watching people walking around in the jungle : ''What did you see Sawyer?'' followed by : ''It doesn't matter it's gone now'' for 20 minutes is not particularly fun.

anyway last week is a redeemer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 05, 2009, 11:51:28 AM
Do you think the people shooting at Locke, Juliette, Sawyer etc...were the oceanic 6 returning to the island from the future?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 05, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: shnorff on February 05, 2009, 11:51:28 AM
Do you think the people shooting at Locke, Juliette, Sawyer etc...were the oceanic 6 returning to the island from the future?

Jensen of EW seems to think so. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20257040,00.html

I think that yes, last week's episode is redemptive of this episode in a time-slippage kind of way, if you will. There were some vital things that happened and a lot of rumination on what is happening, but I was pretty bored by this.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 05, 2009, 01:43:42 PM
it wasn't bad, but it was definitely a bridging episode.  an in-betweener.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 05, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: shnorff on February 05, 2009, 11:51:28 AM
Do you think the people shooting at Locke, Juliette, Sawyer etc...were the oceanic 6 returning to the island from the future?

it seems out of character for the oceanic 6 to shoot first.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 05, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
im with mod, last night wasn't that bad, but yeah, last week was really something.

One thing I don't get in the show's logic is, why was jin transported back in time if he wasn't in the island's moving ratio??? that's what daniel says when he is on the boat with the red shirts "we must have been inside the ratios", the chopper with the O6 stays in the present and is closer to the island than Jin so...

also, why is locke time traveling and Richard Alpert and gang aren't when they were right there with him?  :ponder: i love mysteries

I'm really loving this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 06, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
There is obviously something that connects the Oceanic crew and that is causing the time travel, and it does not affect Richard and the Others.

This episode was nowhere near last weeks, but come on, an average hour of Lost is still better than most other hours of TV. This was good in term of putting pieces together, getting Jack & Kate reunited, Hugo out of trouble, etc. I'm starting to dislike Sun. Well, I always disliked her but now she has so much screen time it bothers me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 07, 2009, 09:20:50 PM
Lost: The fate of Jin revealed
Source: Los Angeles Times

Note to "Lost" fans: If you have not watched Wednesday night's episode of "Lost," stop reading now.

It was the sigh of relief heard around the "Lost" universe: Jin is alive! He's alive!

When "Lost" viewers last saw Daniel Dae Kim's Jin, the freighter he was standing on exploded, as his wife, Sun, watched from a helicopter overhead. Viewers immediately related to Sun's hysterical reaction, delivered with aplomb by Yunjin Kim: Jin couldn't be dead, could he?

Jin certainly would not have been the first "Lost" character to be mourned by fans. But Jin and Sun, the Korean couple who were about to become parents, seem to have touched Losties in an emotional place that made it impossible to begin the grieving process.

The producers, seeking to allay the pain, assured fans at the end of last season that Jin would be seen again — in life or death. (That's just the way "Lost" rolls). But that wasn't enough because what fans most want is a Jin-Sun reunion.

Nine months later—in viewer time—it was revealed Wednesday in a startling way that Jin survived the explosion, prompting the "Lost" cult to immediately express its joy online at various message boards and forums.

"It's nice to be missed," Kim said and laughed Thursday morning during a telephone interview. "I'm glad they introduced me at the end of an episode like that because it sets up the following episode. It's a nice little teaser."

And what an ending it was. Viewers learned not only that Jin survived the explosion but also that he's been floating at sea for some time. (We won't even try to guess for how long.) 

On other shows, that would be titillating enough. But, no, "Lost" took it one step further by having the English-challenged Jin being rescued by French madwoman Danielle Rousseau, who died last season. This was possible because the rescue occurred in 1988 when the pregnant Rousseau herself was stranded on the island with her science team.

That means Jin is not just struggling with sunburn, dehydration and injuries. The man has to communicate in 1988 in broken English with a foreigner he originally met in 2004.

"I think that's hilarious," Kim said. "It's bad enough that he's got one language barrier, but now he's got two with the French people he's been rescued by. I guess if you're going to have one, you might as well have two."

Next week, Kim said, viewers will know exactly what happened to Jin after the freighter exploded and the island moved, causing its inhabitants to time travel.

"What everyone has been experiencing together jumping back and forth through time, Jin has been experiencing on his own, and he's got to try to put the pieces together of what's actually going on," Kim said. "We're going to find out exactly what he's been doing and how he's been struggling to survive on his own."

Kim and the producers won't say if or when a Jin-Sun reunion will occur, but that's what will drive both characters in the coming episodes, executive producer Carlton Cuse wrote in an e-mail to The Times.

"Obviously now that we know that Jin is alive, he is very anxious to find out what happened to Sun and he wants to find her — just as she wants to find him," Cuse wrote. "What happens?  We don't want to spoil that for you, but obviously both characters have a clear mission now — to try and find each other."

Kim also wants fans to know that their patience will be rewarded.

"You'll find that as the season progresses it will become less confusing," he said. "The show will begin to settle in a little bit more and I think people who think the show is a little too complicated right now will find that it makes sense."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on February 09, 2009, 07:48:29 AM
as far as jin still being alive, i call shenanigans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVzX22lrWxA
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 11, 2009, 12:12:00 AM
Lost Star Says Smoke Monster Secrets to Emerge
Source: The Associated Press

Actor Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin in ABC's "Lost," has said that the origin and nature of the Smoke Monster will be disclosed soon and viewers will even get a glimpse of its lair. Turns out the monster is as "old as the island."

Kim also cautioned against expectations that his character, Jin, will reunite with his wife, Sun (Yunjin Kim), even though Jin survived a freighter explosion and Sun returns to the island after escaping it.

Those events don't mean "they're particularly in the same place or chronologically in the same time," Kim said.

As for the atomic bomb that showed up in the "Jughead" episode, he said the show's producers rarely give something such prominence unless it counts in the island's mythology.

"That's a huge red herring if it's a red herring," Kim said, suggesting the bomb could help resolve plot points as the series ends in 2010.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 11, 2009, 03:53:31 AM
smoke monster LAIR??? that's fuckin terrifying. i never thought about that. i always thought they were saving the smoke monster explanation for the end. maybe they need to use it in season 6 too much not to explain it now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 11, 2009, 08:21:06 PM
middle-of-episode question/goof


Where did future-Rousseau learn english, because past-Rousseau speaks it really broken and as far as we know she was alone for all these years.  :doh:


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on February 12, 2009, 01:24:17 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 11, 2009, 08:21:06 PM
middle-of-episode question/goof


Where did future-Rousseau learn english, because past-Rousseau speaks it really broken and as far as we know she was alone for all these years.  :doh:




she seemed to know who ben was last season.

i'm kind of getting sick of all this trying to get back to the island shit. i want them to just be there already, but next week looks like it's finally gonna happen, at least to jack, sun, and desmond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 12, 2009, 06:24:58 AM
I think even less things happened than last week. This show is almost a DVD-only affair.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 12, 2009, 08:19:37 AM
You just figure that out, that this show is made for DVD's?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 12, 2009, 10:48:16 AM
Really?? I feel like they were cramming in tons of information about everybody here. They tied together a lot of loose connections, like when we see Faraday at the beginning of the season, Charlotte's role in everything, the French dude losing his arm (a reference back to season 1, I think). This episode moved fast, for me anyway.

This episode was really tense and kind of frightening to me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 12, 2009, 11:58:52 AM
Exactly, so frightening and honestly...kind of fun.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 12, 2009, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 12, 2009, 10:48:16 AM
Really?? I feel like they were cramming in tons of information about everybody here. They tied together a lot of loose connections, like when we see Faraday at the beginning of the season, Charlotte's role in everything, the French dude losing his arm (a reference back to season 1, I think). This episode moved fast, for me anyway.

This episode was really tense and kind of frightening to me.

yes the episode moved along just fine that's true, but in the end I just want them to stop goofing around and go back to the island.  :doh:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 12, 2009, 01:16:54 PM
i agree that the off-island stuff is a little boring, but this was a very cool episode. if they are not directly answering the big questions, they are certainly providing the context to answer the big questions. i'm also really rarely compelled by the character-based stuff anymore (eg. daniel telling charlotte he loves her a couple weeks ago), but i thought christian's exchange with john locke was very sad. 

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 12, 2009, 01:50:04 PM
So wait, if Jin and Rousseau now know each other in the past, shouldn't she have recognized him when they first got to the island..?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 12, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: ©brad on February 12, 2009, 01:50:04 PM
So wait, if Jin and Rousseau now know each other in the past, shouldn't she have recognized him when they first got to the island..?

i really hope they have an explanation for this. did jin ever have direct interaction with rousseau when they first arrived? i loved that it's because of jin that rousseau is alive. (or was alive anyway)

this show may be running in place, but unlike season 2, it's running in style.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 12, 2009, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on February 12, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
i loved that it's because of jin that rousseau is alive. (or was alive anyway)

That can't be though right, because they cannot change anything ? I am confused by this whole ''cant change anything'' theory because they change a shit load of stuff so far. Killing people and whatnot
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 12, 2009, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 12, 2009, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on February 12, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
i loved that it's because of jin that rousseau is alive. (or was alive anyway)

That can't be though right, because they cannot change anything ? I am confused by this whole ''cant change anything'' theory because they change a shit load of stuff so far. Killing people and whatnot

yea but in this case it works because it always happened. rousseau was definitely going in those ruins if jin  hadn't stopped her. he didn't change the past because he was always meant to be there at that particular moment to save her, which is reflected in the future by her still being alive.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 12, 2009, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on February 12, 2009, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 12, 2009, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on February 12, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
i loved that it's because of jin that rousseau is alive. (or was alive anyway)

That can't be though right, because they cannot change anything ? I am confused by this whole ''cant change anything'' theory because they change a shit load of stuff so far. Killing people and whatnot

yea but in this case it works because it always happened. rousseau was definitely going in those ruins if jin  hadn't stopped her. he didn't change the past because he was always meant to be there at that particular moment to save her, which is reflected in the future by her still being alive.

If I understand correctly what you mean, you say that the life that the people of the island have lived existed the way it was because it was already factored in that they would go back in time ? (is that clear?)

That would totally explain all my problems with the thing...

oh my time travel is hard for my little cranium.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 12, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
'factored in' isn't quite the right way to put it.. you're getting there.

if you go back in time and do anything, it's because it already happened. nothing has changed. time doesn't go back and fix mistakes or make changes. it's a straight line.. so it's like

TIME
____>____>_____Jin saves Rousseau__________>___>_____Jin travels back in time

Jin saving Rousseau happened before Jin traveled back in time. the seeming plot hole is that Rousseau never recognized Jin when he first came to the island after they had already met in the past.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 12, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Ah, but remember course correction. We're to assume, based on Faraday's encounter with Desmond, that what they do in the past retroactively affects it (he had a 'memory' of it suddenly). When Jin tells her not to go, that is what was supposed to happen, so maybe before Jin was there, there was some other reason why she doesn't go in there. Whatever it was, it results in the same outcome. Does that make sense? Jin cannot change anything, so what happened when he was there was supposed to happen.

Or am I completely wrong? Rousseau not recognizing Jin means that it's because he hasn't gone back in time yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 12, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
Oh, I completely understand......what?!?!??! hehe.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 12, 2009, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 12, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Ah, but remember course correction. We're to assume, based on Faraday's encounter with Desmond, that what they do in the past retroactively affects it (he had a 'memory' of it suddenly). When Jin tells her not to go, that is what was supposed to happen, so maybe before Jin was there, there was some other reason why she doesn't go in there. Whatever it was, it results in the same outcome. Does that make sense? Jin cannot change anything, so what happened when he was there was supposed to happen.

Or am I completely wrong? Rousseau not recognizing Jin means that it's because he hasn't gone back in time yet.
i don't think that works. Desmond is an exception to the rule because of his exposure to the hatch. Locke, for example, is not an exception because he had already spoken to Alpert about going to his birth. And there Alpert was in season 4 and in Locke's childhood. no retroactive future memory formation. therefore Rousseau had met Jin before. i'm 99% sure of this.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 12, 2009, 11:59:35 PM
This was a superb episode filled with lots of info... I think you people are already too hard to please with this show. Not all episodes can be as good as 'the constant', but most of the episodes this season have given us clear information that moves the story forward, and its moving pretty fast. i thought it would take the entire season for them to come back to the island, or for john to get off and go find them, etc. of course all their encounters with john off-island will be shown at some point, but the pace now is really good and exciting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 13, 2009, 12:40:59 AM
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'Lost': Digging Inside Season 5
Time travel. Quantum physics. A plot twist straight out of ''Weekend at Bernie's.'' This is turning out to be the series' most daring -- and geektastic -- outing yet. And that's saying something.
By Jeff Jensen; Entertainment Weekly

Across the street from a neatly tended cemetery on the island of Oahu, there is a gated lot where the past, present, and future of Lost all come together. The Others' submarine, Henry Gale's hot-air balloon, Locke's outrigger — all beached on the grass like so many Black Rock shipwrecks. And inside a large soundstage, hidden away from prying eyes, Lost's iconic castaways are huddled on a top secret set, trying very hard not to totally spaz out. The action being shot for the year's 12th episode is almost spoilerifically indescribable, but we can report — perhaps to your great relief — that most of the gang is back on the Island after an early sweep of time-travel episodes that kept many of them separated by distance and history. Jack (Matthew Fox) sits tense and terse, dressed as...uh...can't say. Sawyer (Josh Holloway) bursts through a door, freaking out over...someone. Someone who is bleeding. A lot. As Kate (Evangeline Lilly) eyeballs both her men, trying as always to decide between them, psychic hustler Miles Straume (Ken Leung) cradles a shotgun while fretting about — and we think we're getting this right — the catastrophic collapse of the space-time continuum! (Or maybe he said ''the economy.'' Same difference, though, right?)

No, Lost definitely isn't playing it safe, even though it has every reason to do just that. Coming off a critically acclaimed, Emmy-nominated fourth season and entering its next-to-last year, ABC's brilliantly odd, infectiously frustrating crypto-drama (airing Wednesdays at 9 p.m.) could have attempted to keep its no-longer-huge-but-still-fervently-fanatic base sated and stable until 2010's Gimme all my answers NOW! series-capping season. Nope. Didn't even try. Instead, Lost has opted to start season 5 by baring its potentially alienating geek soul and challenging its audience even more with gonzo storytelling. Thought the show was confusing before? Try this on for size: Time travel. Quantum physics. Hydrogen bombs. And a Da Vinci Code-meets-Foucault's Pendulum-meets-Weekend at Bernie's conspiracy to save (or destroy) the world, the linchpin of which involves U-Hauling the corpse of John Locke (Terry O'Quinn) back to the Island. When the gloriously strange saga of Lost finally concludes next year, season 5 is likely to be remembered as the one when the series came out of the closet and declared itself. But here's hoping it doesn't lose everyone in the process: So far this season, Lost is averaging 11.3 million viewers, down 3.4 percent from last season, and a far cry from the series-high average of 15.9 million in season 1. But the producers say: Come what may. ''The fear is that Lost just became an AP class, and really, what's one's incentive for taking an AP class?'' says exec producer Damon Lindelof. ''But the show has gotten to that point where it had to let its freak flag fly. It needed to announce, 'You wanna know what the Island is? You wanna know why these people were brought to the Island? You wanna know what their purpose for being there is? Well, it might be a little weirder than you would've hoped.'''

But is it too weird? ''I was a little worried about the start of the season, to be honest,'' says Lilly, battling back a cold and enjoying some late-afternoon Hawaii sun in between takes. ''It might sound terrible to say, but the mythology of this show eludes me. I am all about the characters and the interplay of the relationships and the angst of redemption and retribution — all those good nuggets. So, in my biased view, I've been running around telling the world: 'Be patient! It's just the first half of the season! We'll come back!''' Her costar Matthew Fox has another, more optimistic take. ''It feels very different from what Lost has felt like in the past, but in a really good way,'' says the actor, sporting neatly parted hair and some dangling iPod earbuds. ''There will be many, many answers, lots of things from past seasons that left the audience thinking, 'That's never going to pay off' — but it does, in really cool ways that make you go 'Holy s---!' The season has a real feeling of things coming together, and it builds a groundswell of momentum for the end of the show.''

So, baffling or brilliant? Let the debate begin.

Of course, Lost has always been pretty off its rocker. Ghosts. Locke's legs. Smokey the monster. Those who've hoped Lost would avoid sci-fi answers may have been fooling themselves. ''Honestly,'' says Lindelof, ''the non-genre answer just isn't that interesting.'' And now it's clear the time-travel element of the Island (beyond just the flashbacks/flash-forwards) has been part of the show from the beginning. Among the clues: the never-identified cave skeletons (might they belong to time-tossed castaways?); the name of the company that recruited Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) to the Island, Mittelos, which is an anagram for ''lost time''; the sprinkled-in Stephen Hawking references. ''Whenever the show presents something about the history of the Island — like coming upon the Black Rock slave ship — these are things we are setting up for the endgame of the show,'' says Lindelof. ''This season, it's like the audience is finally opening up a present that was actually bought and wrapped years ago. At least, we hope they think it's a present.''

In other words: The producers have a master plan — and an exit strategy. But that master plan couldn't be unleashed fully until Lindelof and partner Carlton Cuse negotiated a series end date during season 3, a.k.a. The Year Lost Learned a Show About Castaways Stranded on an Island Can Last So Long No Matter How Clever It May Be. ''The same way our characters were sort of locked in cages in season 3, when the show went awry,'' says Cuse, ''we felt locked in cages because we didn't know if our mythology had to go two more years or nine.''

Now uncaged, the producers face the challenge of telling their story successfully without unraveling the franchise. Cuse and Lindelof are keenly aware that time-travel yarns have had a spotty record of late (Life on Mars: struggling; Heroes: ugh; Journeyman: anyone? Bueller?) and that even the smartest stuff has the unfortunate side effect of causing serious brain crampage. The producers promise an approach to time travel backed by researchable science (Popular Mechanics even has a Lost blog analyzing it) and grounded in humanity. Cuse and Lindelof allow that the season premiere — in which a fragmented narrative mirrored the Island's erratic skips through time — may not have totally nailed that value, but they believe it was a necessary starting point. ''The complex episodes come early this season,'' says Cuse, ''but they lead to greater rewards downstream once the audience understands the rules of the game for the year.''

Seeing that plan play out has been heartening to Lost's cast, many of whom were left feeling alternately OMG! and WTF? by the season's first scripts. ''The first episode was wonderful, [but] it was also a lot to digest,'' says Jorge Garcia, adding that the storytelling of the Hurley-heavy second installment left him baffled enough that ''it totally went over my head that it was a Hurley episode.'' More worrisome to others was the possibility that a sci-fi emphasis might compromise the show's identity, limit its possibilities, and make the drama even less accessible to non-geek-minded viewers. ''I'm mixed about it, to be honest,'' says Daniel Dae Kim, whose presumed-dead Jin was discovered alive and well — and in the Island's not-so-distant past — on the most recent episode. ''One of the things that attracted me initially to this show was how universal the themes were and how different the kinds of stories it could tell. Now, I feel with the sci-fi we're becoming definable in a way that maybe we weren't in the first season. At the same time, I like how the writers are showing allegiance to the true fans. The people who stayed with us are being rewarded with the more complicated and nuanced storytelling that they've been hungering for.'' As for ABC's feelings about Lost's dive down the sci-fi rabbit hole, senior VP of current drama programming Kim Rozenfeld says, ''There were aspects that were certainly unorthodox, but we were comfortable because we knew how they set up the larger story.''

Despite her early season jitters, Lilly says she's committed to the producers' vision. ''You're either along for the ride and part of it, or you're not. And if you don't trust the writers, you might as well get off the boat,'' she says. ''I respect that they do things that could potentially alienate parts of their audience, because that means they are being true to their story and not being manipulated by outside pressure.''

And that story is still capable of addressing very relatable human themes. ''Usually in shows, the cliff-hanger is all about who's shacking up with who,'' says Leung. ''On Lost, the cliff-hanger is about the meaning of existence. What does it mean to be alive?'' Jeremy Davies — whose quirky physicist Daniel Faraday has emerged as a major player of late — credits Lost with allowing him to process the recent deaths of his father and a close friend. ''There have been so many compelling synchronicities between my life and Faraday's story line,'' says the actor. ''I'd be in a lot more trouble, personally, if I didn't have this opportunity to channel these energies within me.''

As for Lindelof and Cuse, they're channeling all their energies squarely onto the Island. ''We feel like the audience will be really clamoring to get back to the Island after these first seven episodes,'' says Lindelof. ''And they'll get a big massive dose of it for pretty much the remainder of the season.'' The next four episodes will tell the story of how exactly the Oceanic 6 get back (and which of them, too), as well as how the Left Behinders on the Island get their crazy quantum merry-go-round to stop spinning before it kills them: In the Feb. 11 episode, the nosebleeds-and-brain-scrambling time-travel sickness takes a deadly turn. In episode 7, airing Feb. 25, we'll find out not only how Locke got off the Island but how he wound up in the coffin as well.

Once Oceanic 6 folk are back in the jungle, Lost will begin to shift back to character-centric episodes with off-Island flashbacks/flash-forwards. And episode 12 is a big one for Kate. ''Season 5 is about do they or don't they make it back to the Island, and every character has their reasons,'' explains Lilly. ''This is the episode where we understand the decision Kate has made. There's so much more than meets the eye.'' While Kate comes into focus, Jack will gain strength and start seeking his true destiny — good news for those not fond of Doc Shephard's despairing, hero-resisting, mangy-chin-bush-wearing shame spiral. ''I've always believed part of what was destroying him was his lack of physical proximity to the Island,'' says Fox. ''He is fated to do something on the Island, and he has fought that with every fiber of his body, and in doing that, the Island is destroying him from afar. When he finds himself back in this place, he's wide-eyed and alert. He knows he's in the path of his own destiny.''

Jack's rejuvenation may also involve renewed romance with Kate, though Kate-whipped Sawyer could put up a fight — presuming he hasn't fallen for Juliet. Or someone else: The Island's female hottie population is set to increase later this season with the addition of 24's Reiko Aylesworth and New Amsterdam's Zuleikha Robinson. Despite last year's helicopter kiss-and-whisper between Kate and Sawyer (contents of said whisper will be revealed soon), Lilly believes that the audience is rooting for Kate and Jack. ''But I could be completely wrong!'' she laughs. ''What I've noticed is that the audience tends to root for the coupling that gets the most screen time — and right now, what they're seeing is Kate and Jack.''

Whichever way romance blows on Lost, Fox hopes that it just doesn't...well, blow. He feels the show has sometimes indulged the lovey-dovey stuff for the sake of ratings. ''That's someone going, 'People love romance, so just turn the buttons and dial it up,''' complains Fox. ''Look, I understand that. But it has to be f---ing credible. Our world doesn't lend itself to conventional romance. Yearning? Yes. Desire? Yes. Passion? Yes. And when those things play out in the context of survival s--- that's gotta get done, where people's lives are f---ing at stake — that's cool. But romance? I haven't always bought it for Jack and Kate, and I haven't always bought it for Kate and Sawyer. The show's too intense for that.''

Besides, it's not like pandering to the audience is likely to grow it — not at this point. News flash! Lost — brainy, challenging, locked into an evolving, serialized story — is a tough choo-choo to jump aboard if you're not already up to speed. Ratings are likely to continue to inch down as opposed to up. But the producers aren't sweating it. ''For most showrunners, existence is predicated on 'If I get good ratings, I get to keep doing this,''' says Cuse. ''But we know Lost is ending, no matter what the ratings are. So we're just trying to make sure that we end the story well and we get it executed on film the way we want it.'' However, the storytellers hope that anyone who has ever been a Lost fan will tune in next year as the show moves into payoff mode and begins resolving long-term character arcs. Indeed, compared with this year, season 6 sounds like it could be something of a blast from the season 1 past. Lindelof teases that the sci-fi-heavy season 5 (which includes more Smokey, four-toed statue, and numbers intrigue) ''sets up where we need to go in season 6, which will be much more grounded and character-centric than it is this year.''

Whatever form it takes, Fox believes they will go out strong — with or without massive ratings. ''People will remember it the way they want to remember it,'' he says. ''What I will remember is that Lost was one of the most innovative, risk-taking, smartest shows ever. That's how I want to remember it. And I think it deserves that.''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 13, 2009, 10:05:48 AM
Quote from: picolas on February 12, 2009, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 12, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Ah, but remember course correction. We're to assume, based on Faraday's encounter with Desmond, that what they do in the past retroactively affects it (he had a 'memory' of it suddenly). When Jin tells her not to go, that is what was supposed to happen, so maybe before Jin was there, there was some other reason why she doesn't go in there. Whatever it was, it results in the same outcome. Does that make sense? Jin cannot change anything, so what happened when he was there was supposed to happen.

Or am I completely wrong? Rousseau not recognizing Jin means that it's because he hasn't gone back in time yet.
i don't think that works. Desmond is an exception to the rule because of his exposure to the hatch. Locke, for example, is not an exception because he had already spoken to Alpert about going to his birth. And there Alpert was in season 4 and in Locke's childhood. no retroactive future memory formation. therefore Rousseau had met Jin before. i'm 99% sure of this.

You're totally right. But then why doesn't Desmond remember Faraday? What makes him special to not have experienced Faraday the first time, but now he does?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 13, 2009, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 13, 2009, 10:05:48 AM
Quote from: picolas on February 12, 2009, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on February 12, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Ah, but remember course correction. We're to assume, based on Faraday's encounter with Desmond, that what they do in the past retroactively affects it (he had a 'memory' of it suddenly). When Jin tells her not to go, that is what was supposed to happen, so maybe before Jin was there, there was some other reason why she doesn't go in there. Whatever it was, it results in the same outcome. Does that make sense? Jin cannot change anything, so what happened when he was there was supposed to happen.

Or am I completely wrong? Rousseau not recognizing Jin means that it's because he hasn't gone back in time yet.
i don't think that works. Desmond is an exception to the rule because of his exposure to the hatch. Locke, for example, is not an exception because he had already spoken to Alpert about going to his birth. And there Alpert was in season 4 and in Locke's childhood. no retroactive future memory formation. therefore Rousseau had met Jin before. i'm 99% sure of this.

You're totally right. But then why doesn't Desmond remember Faraday? What makes him special to not have experienced Faraday the first time, but now he does?

I've been thinking, don't know if this theory stands (I'm a big fan, but I don't re-watch a lot of episodes, so this may not work): You can only affect people from the past that you'd already met in the future. Like, Faraday meeting Desmond outside the hatch, he gave him the memory because that person existed in both his future and in that moment of the past he travelled to. Same with Danielle - she didn't recognize Jin at first because she had never met him when the plane crashed, but then Jin travelled to the past and when he met Danielle again, he established a connection - they had both met in both parts of the timeline, that's why when we go a little further to the future, Danielle knows who he is. Or with Alpert - John knew him in the island, then he went to the past and told him to go and visit him at the house, so, having met in both timelines, Alpert was able to go there. Or maybe this doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but it's kind of nice to theorize.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 13, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
no. that logic is waaaaay too shaky. time doesn't work like that. desmond is the only one who can get away with not making total time sense and even there i get pretty uncomfortable believing the show's logic/hoping they haven't fully explained it.. maybe rousseau just forgot jin in her madness? still he'd be kinda hard to forget, being a guy who mysteriously vanished in front of her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 14, 2009, 09:42:45 AM
I'm watching Jin being a badass on 'charmed'...its so awesome!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 16, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
Fox moves 'Idol' against 'Lost'

As if "Lost" wasn't having a tough enough time with audience erosion.

Fox is shaking up Wednesday night by swapping reality hit "American Idol" and freshman procedural "Lie to Me."

Once the singing competition moves into the finals March 11, Fox will pivot "Idol" to 9 p.m., turning its Death Star against ABC's "Lost" for the rest of season. "Lie to Me"  will stay out of the way by shifting to 8 p.m.

Though "Idol" and "Lost" tend to have different audiences, last week Fox aired a two-hour "Idol" that stretched into the 9 p.m. hour and seemed to take a little steam out of the mystery thriller, whose ratings have fallen with each episode this season.

The time-period swap move might seem opportunistic, but Fox has been planning this for awhile -- especially if the network sensed "Lie to Me" could use some additional cover from "Lost" and CBS' "Criminal Minds." But "Lie" has held up well, typically drawing roughly the same rating as "Lost." 

For "Lie," this is a mixed blessing. The Tim Roth drama won't have nearly as much competition in Wednesday's 8 p.m. dead-zone ... but it won't have "Idol" for a lead-in either. 

For "Lost," this is the first time in two years it's faced "Idol" and ABC unfortunately can't turn back time to when the show was pulling 15 million viewers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 17, 2009, 07:44:29 AM
That was a bit of a scary episode. I liked how it started out a Jin episode, and then turned into a Locke episode. I was hoping next week would be all about Jeremy Bentham, but it seems not... maybe week after?

I don't understand the whole complexities of the time travel issue. Mostly I'm just along for the ride, and will accept whatever happens. I do have my own vague understanding of the rules of how everything works, but there is no way I could summarize or explain it.

It does seem Jin always had gone back in time to save Rousseau because when time shifted to a few months later and she was killing the crazies, she still remembered Jin then - and since he's continuously time traveling, time passing should not be that linear.

As for all the Lost spin-off Off The Island... is any further proof needed that Jack and Kate are the most boring characters on the show. I did like that little moment with Ben though when Jack and Sun were threatening to kill him, and he pulled over. You really felt sorry for the guy, and it was further validation to my belief that Ben is a hero. Why does everyone keep acting like he's some evil villain?!?!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 17, 2009, 10:44:48 AM
Quote from: Sleepless on February 17, 2009, 07:44:29 AMI was hoping next week would be all about Jeremy Bentham, but it seems not... maybe week after?

Quote from: MacGuffin on February 13, 2009, 12:40:59 AMIn episode 7, airing Feb. 25, we'll find out not only how Locke got off the Island but how he wound up in the coffin as well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 17, 2009, 11:48:53 AM
I'm so clever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 17, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
MacGuffin is my constant.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 17, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
How funny is this, I just saw Walt on a "Tyson's Anytizers" commercial. Sucks growing up and having to leave Lost for this shit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on February 18, 2009, 03:09:26 AM
Quote from: kal on February 17, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
How funny is this, I just saw Walt on a "Tyson's Anytizers" commercial. Sucks growing up and having to leave Lost for this shit.

what sucks is that they showed it a couple of weeks ago during one of those "enhanced editions" of lost right before the new episode. yeesh, way to rub it in.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 18, 2009, 09:13:31 PM
***sigh***

at least now we know Jack's grandpa and also his father's shoes
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 18, 2009, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: modage on February 05, 2009, 01:43:42 PM
it wasn't bad, but it was definitely a bridging episode.  an in-betweener.
it's tough when you have a character that has to deliver that much exposition while the other characters stand around and go "so what you're saying is..." and make sure the audience is following.  it's tough.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 19, 2009, 12:16:01 AM
I love all the little "talking directly to the audience" lines they like to slip in there...

"You need to stop thinking about how ridiculous it is, and start thinking about whether you believe it will work!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 19, 2009, 12:56:00 AM
First of all, if I realized that moving to California means I have to wait 3 extra hours for this shit, maybe I would have stayed in Miami!!!!

This was boring for the most part but some good things happened in between. Like I always said, a bad hour of Lost is still better than most shows on TV. They are definitely bridging the many gaps we have in the story very efficiently.

And they still manage to smoothly raise new questions. Who beat the shit out of Ben and why? Did he go after Penny? Who was the woman with Sayid? Why were they there, and what the fuck happened with Aaron? Interesting that Sun is not with them when they find Jin. I'm sure their reunion will take much longer and be very dramatic.

I also didn't like the scene with Ms. Hawking explaining everything and everyone being so quiet. Even Desmond didn't say enough. Weren't they curious to ask more questions?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 19, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
not a very well written episode. obviously something's fishy with sayid, hurley and kate, so their bizarre behavior will probably be explained. but jack acted completely out of character. "where's aaron?" "don't ask me that?" "ok." wtf? and he doesn't even say anything to ben about his, you know, bloody, beat up face? and the white haired lady is awful...her speech at the beginning was bad.

i liked the story in the episode, i just think it was written poorly.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 19, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
Again, the whole jin thing is confusing the heck outta me. So if he was part of the Dharma Initiative, and was on the island during the 1960s, then that would mean he eventually leaves the island, meets/marries Sun, and then winds up crashing back onto it in 2003/season 1?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 19, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
Quote from: ©brad on February 19, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
So if he was part of the Dharma Initiative, and was on the island during the 1960s, then that would mean he eventually leaves the island, meets/marries Sun, and then winds up crashing back onto it in 2003/season 1?

I don't think so, all that happened before he started time traveling, and how old would he be at the time he meets her?

Question is, will the time travel stop because Locke moved the island???  :ponder:

And this ep. wasn't bad at all, it moved at a faster pace i think, also it wrapped up pretty fast the how did they go to the island, on the other hand it left a shit load of questions unasked which I always like.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 19, 2009, 10:46:46 AM
i thought the time travel stopped last week when they stuck that wheel?  i assumed it was jin from present day and everyone on the island is in the 60s.

and why did they let this guy on the plane since hurley bought up all the other seats?

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other than he's a new character they're introducing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 19, 2009, 10:58:10 AM
yeah Jin is not in the Dharma dummies !

also, LOL@the ''dont ask questions about Aaron'' thing
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 19, 2009, 11:04:15 AM
Yeah thats a new character for sure, but it was weird because Hurley did buy all the seats, but there were still lots of people seating in the back, in a different section of the plane. It was very confusing. The more I think of the episode and how bizarre the writing was and everyones behavior the more I think these Lost writers are geniuses. I mean, there has to be an explanation for everything down the line so I wonder what the fuck.

About Jin, I think the flashes did not stop, and considering the Oceanic passengers are the only ones affected, as soon as they were about to crash there was a flash and the Oceanic Six time-traveled into where they showed up when we saw them. The plane and other passengers are nowhere in sight cause they are back in 2007 or whatever year it was, while the Oceanic Six are in 1950 as well as Jin. That does not explain why Sun and Sayid were not there, but maybe they just landed in a different spot or something and they have yet to reunite.

My other guess is that if the flashes did stop, maybe they stopped when they were back in the 50's so everyone got stuck there. That is why they are all living there and working for Dharma. If that is the case, then its been 3 years since Jack & the others left, so Jin's expression makes sense cause he is very surprised to see them after so long.



Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on February 19, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: modage on February 19, 2009, 10:46:46 AM
i thought the time travel stopped last week when they stuck that wheel?  i assumed it was jin from present day and everyone on the island is in the 60s.

and why did they let this guy on the plane since hurley bought up all the other seats?

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other than he's a new character they're introducing.

it was funny b/c when he came on-screen i was like "oh shit, this guy's back?" and my friend is like, "what the fuck are you talking about?" and i'm like, wasn't he a torturer with sayid? i then realized that he's the dude from three kings. he was a torturer and his character's name (and name in real life, actually) is saïd. whoops.

sometimes i read the shit you guys are saying and i don't know how you think that. you really think jin works for dharma for 40+ years, doesn't age, doesn't die when ben kills all of the dharma initiative, gets off the island, marries sun pretending that NOTHING'S happened, gets BACK on the plane to crash on the island to do it all over again? REALLY? come on cbrad, use your head. that's almost worse than the purgatory theory.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 19, 2009, 01:54:41 PM
Yeah there was still a lot of people on that plane. Guess they'll have to die. Another proof of WEAK writing:

Jack : What will happen to the rest of the people on the plane ???  :shock:
Ben : Who cares ?
Jack : ***starts thinking about pudding***
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 19, 2009, 02:17:29 PM
i like the notion that the oceanic 6 were reunited with the other survivors wherever they were in time. the rest of the survivors and the plane crashed in the future somewhere, some of which were the ones in the raft shooting and chasing after sawyer and co. 

didn't like the episode that much at first, but upon second viewing i love the mysteriousness of it all.  suddenly kate wants to go, as well as sun. aaron and ji yeon are nowhere to be found, ben's beat up, hurleys out of prison (and how is he able to afford to buy all those tickets? i thought he gave up the money?) and sayid is in handcuffs. 

they managed to take everything i hated about the oceanic 6 storyline and make it interesting again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 19, 2009, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz on February 19, 2009, 12:07:18 PMsometimes i read the shit you guys are saying and i don't know how you think that. you really think jin works for dharma for 40+ years, doesn't age, doesn't die when ben kills all of the dharma initiative, gets off the island, marries sun pretending that NOTHING'S happened, gets BACK on the plane to crash on the island to do it all over again? REALLY? come on cbrad, use your head. that's almost worse than the purgatory theory.

Kiss my black ass. I never claimed I was particularly bright, especially when it comes to Lost. And I wasn't suggesting it was some grand theory, it was just a question I had.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on February 19, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: ©brad on February 19, 2009, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: bonanzataz on February 19, 2009, 12:07:18 PMsometimes i read the shit you guys are saying and i don't know how you think that. you really think jin works for dharma for 40+ years, doesn't age, doesn't die when ben kills all of the dharma initiative, gets off the island, marries sun pretending that NOTHING'S happened, gets BACK on the plane to crash on the island to do it all over again? REALLY? come on cbrad, use your head. that's almost worse than the purgatory theory.

Kiss my black ass. I never claimed I was particularly bright, especially when it comes to Lost. And I wasn't suggesting it was some grand theory, it was just a question I had.

ask away, just never become a writer for lost, plz, thx.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stefen on February 19, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
haha. lost discussion. serious bidness.

I just got season one. I'm going to watch it over the weekend.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 19, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
I miss you, Charlotte!  :yabbse-cry:


Quote from: polkablues on February 17, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
MacGuffin is my constant.

Sadly, I can't depend on you when you leave so unexpectedly. Thus, Fernando is mine.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 23, 2009, 09:25:39 PM
I actually loved this episode, but being drunk out of my mind didn't help the comprehension. The episode is set up incredibly well, but the scene with Jack's grandpa could potentially be the most extraneous scene in the history of visual media.

Lepidus is flying the plane!!!!!!! Incredible reveal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 25, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
Cool ep !!! I can't wait to know why Ben killed John etc.

Also I'm really starting to believe that both Ben and Widmore are using John's belief that he's special to use him. He's probably not so special...

Anyway much better than last week's and the other
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 26, 2009, 12:52:32 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 25, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
He's probably not so special...
That made me laugh.

Yeah, great episode and while my head was spinning when it came to the timing consider me very happy about whats going on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 26, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 25, 2009, 09:08:07 PMI can't wait to know why Ben killed John etc.

I thought it was pretty much spelled out already. John couldn't get them all back, so Ben used John's "suicide" to do it himself, he just needed to know what John knew before he died.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 26, 2009, 02:15:59 AM
How fucking awesome was this episode... holy shit this is the best show in the universe... I can't wait for next week to see how they start all finding each other, plus the new survivors of the new flight. It's insane. Plus for the commercial it looked like someone was getting shot.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 26, 2009, 02:27:17 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on February 26, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 25, 2009, 09:08:07 PMI can't wait to know why Ben killed John etc.

I thought it was pretty much spelled out already. John couldn't get them all back, so Ben used John's "suicide" to do it himself, he just needed to know what John knew before he died.

You might be right, but it seemed to me that it might have been the revelation that Locke knew about Eloise Hawking that made Ben decide to kill him, based on Ben's reaction.  I'm not sure, though.  I could be persuaded either way.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 26, 2009, 02:31:46 AM
Ben's agenda/reaction seemed to change when he first heard that Jin was alive and after Locke mentioned Hawking.

It's nuts that both Widmore and Ben do such an incredible job that at this point we still don't know who is the asshole, or who is lying, or maybe both of them are.

Another thing I was looking forward to was Walt, but it wasnt so great. If you remember the connection Locke/Walt had on the island in season 1, it was very cool. Even the times Walt showed up when John was shot by Ben and stuff, it seemed to mean more than this last encounter. The fact that he is having the dreams sounds good, but its just to establish a connection that otherwise is not there anymore.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 26, 2009, 04:33:08 AM
Quote from: polkablues on February 26, 2009, 02:27:17 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on February 26, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 25, 2009, 09:08:07 PMI can't wait to know why Ben killed John etc.

I thought it was pretty much spelled out already. John couldn't get them all back, so Ben used John's "suicide" to do it himself, he just needed to know what John knew before he died.

to me that it might have been the revelation that Locke knew about Eloise Hawking that made Ben decide to kill him, based on Ben's reaction.  I'm not sure, though.  I could be persuaded either way.

Yes I'm quite certain of that also. He did not have to untie him at all to get said information I think. Also there's clearly a reaction when John mentions Eloise Hawking. Maybe you're right though Mac, but I think it would be less dramatic your way than mine  :ponder:

yeah and like Silias said, the timing is really hard ! But now they're all back yes, so it should... clear up ? :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 26, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
man, i kinda feel like they're rushing through some cool stuff. i thought the journey back to the island was going to be some odyssey that took the entire season to accomplish. and i thought locke's off island life could have spanned four episodes...instead they crammed all his "visits" into one.

it's hard to tell how much time passes between jack and locke's meeting in the hospital and locke's death, but i was under the impression that locke visited jack more than once. and if he didn't, i'm not sure i buy that their one conversation pushed jack over the edge like we saw him.

i just hope they're not short changing the three years the O6 spent off the island because i think that stuff would be interesting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 26, 2009, 10:19:03 AM
I love how Alpert's "you need to die" to convince them to return is simple enough, but it's amazing how it goes from some sort of sacrificial idea, to the idea of a suicide as self-sacrifice (for the audience), to the idea of suicide as suicide (Locke killing himself for his failures), to then murder as sacrifice, but still looking like a suicide as both self-sacrifice and suicide. I just love it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on February 26, 2009, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: abuck1220 on February 26, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
man, i kinda feel like they're rushing through some cool stuff. i thought the journey back to the island was going to be some odyssey that took the entire season to accomplish. and i thought locke's off island life could have spanned four episodes...instead they crammed all his "visits" into one.

Not only did they cram all the visits into one episode, but they also crunched our timeline.  I was expecting Locke to get off the Island and then have three years to convince everyone to get back.  This whole "you were time shifting for four days but everyone else has been off the island for 3 years" is killing me.   I think it could've been much more interesting if they had Locke get off the island 4 days after everyone else then spend 3 years trying to convince them to go back.  It would've made his attempts and failures seem much more trying and his eventual "suicide" more valid, so to speak.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 26, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
It was obvious he wasn't there so soon after they left because Jack & Kate were happy, so was Sayid and all that with no sign of Locke. He obviously showed up after Jack started seeing Christian everywhere and losing his head. However, I also was expecting the convincing to be more interesting. I mean, Locke went through a lot to be able to sit down in the same room with Jack, and his convincing and reasoning was weaker than any other attempts or discussions they had in the past.

I also thought they weren't going to be back until the end of the season, but now this is crazier than ever. Locke resurrected, there is a new plane with a bunch of new people, that Cesar guy seems like he was sent by Widmore, and they didn't bring Aaron back!


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 26, 2009, 01:56:15 PM
Yeah, that perturbed me a bit too that they didn't bring aaron back. Maybe they will discuss or explain that soon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 26, 2009, 02:00:55 PM
I'm sure that'll be explained. I mean, we still get to look forward to all the flashbacks of what convinced them to get on the plane. We need to find out what happened to Aaron, why Sayeed was being extradited to Guam, how did Hurley get convinced, and who the frick was playing handball with Ben's face!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 26, 2009, 02:04:10 PM
I just hope Ben gets hit over and over and over and over again, very soon....and locke and Jack, they are all too smug.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on February 26, 2009, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: kal on February 26, 2009, 01:50:44 PMthey didn't bring Aaron back!

Quote from: SiliasRuby on February 26, 2009, 01:56:15 PM
Yeah, that perturbed me a bit too that they didn't bring aaron back. Maybe they will discuss or explain that soon.

they didn't bring Aaron back because Claire appeared in Kate's dream and said don't bring Aaron back.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 26, 2009, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 25, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
Cool ep !!! I can't wait to know why Ben killed John etc.

perhaps someone on flight 815 murdered christian shephard, thus ben had to murder locke to insure his place in the recreation of the original flight?

i love this show! can't wait to find out why lapidus took off in one of the rafts (with sun maybe?)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on February 26, 2009, 10:10:12 PM
last night's episode was a load of baloney. all the big emotional punches were served in unsatisfying 30 second bits. there really were no big mysteries raised or solved in this episode. the only good bits were the scenes with ben and widmore and the scene where abaddon gets killed. everything else was so rushed. this should have been the episode to reestablish why we love these characters, especially locke. but they totally dropped the ball. instead, the characters just seem like plot devices. what's so great about this show is the way we get from point a to point b and the characters that bring us there. the writing in this episode was hollow. perhaps the BIGGEST let-down was locke reuniting with walt.

"hey, how've you been?"
"ok, but you've been in some creepy dreams of mine. how's my dad?"
"he's in a freighter, i think."
"oh, cool, i gotta go."

WTF WAS THAT SHIT?! walt and locke always had a very special relationship, walt even had a very strong connection to the island, you'd think their reunion would be a little more dramatic/drawn out. i kind of wish they just excluded the scene altogether b/c i wouldn't have questioned it. also, why waste screen time on locke visiting peg bundy's grave if the rest of the episode was so damn rushed.

it didn't have to be like this. this should have been the penultimate episode of season 5. instead it was a whole lot of filler. worse than the juliet flashback episode from last season. nearly as bad as nikki and paolo. they didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know and wasted nearly an entire episode doing it.

i DO like knowing that dead locke is alive on the island. that might explain something about christian still being alive and not just some ghost thing. or does it? who knows? i'll still be tuning in next week, but color me unimpressed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on February 27, 2009, 07:36:18 AM
I hate that most of the conflict on this show now comes from people trying to convince other people what to do. If Ben would just take everybody out to the Olive Garden and explain what's going on, most of that conflict would disappear.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 27, 2009, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: elpablo on February 27, 2009, 07:36:18 AM
If Ben would just take everybody out to the Olive Garden and explain what's going on, most of that conflict would disappear.

hahahaha

I like the ep on initial viewing but I agree with your points bon and elpablo
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 27, 2009, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on February 27, 2009, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: elpablo on February 27, 2009, 07:36:18 AM
If Ben would just take everybody out to the Olive Garden and explain what's going on, most of that conflict would disappear.

hahahaha

I like the ep on initial viewing but I agree with your points bon and elpablo
I've never seen a olive garden on any of the hawaiian islands where I've been to...but that would be great. Just an Olive Garden on the island. "When you're here you're the oceanic 6" ..or "when you're here you're the others"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 03, 2009, 07:42:44 PM
John Locke lives again on 'Lost'
His character has been resurrected, and actor Terry O'Quinn is along for the ride.
By Maria Elena Fernandez; Los Angeles Times

At this stage of "Lost's," mystery no one actually believed that John Locke would remain dead, but still, it's satisfying to see him alive again. That is, alive in the way that you and I are -- not in flashbacks, and not in the way that the ghosts of Charlie and Ana Lucia appear to Hurley or the ghost or some supernatural semblance of Christian Shephard roams the island.

No, as "Lost" viewers saw last week, a content and assured Locke (Terry O'Quinn) once again walks and talks among the living people of the island, and even eats mangos. All of which solidifies the "Lost" lore that has been building for five seasons: Locke is one special, mystical dude."Well, it appears to be at least a version of living," said Terry O'Quinn with a laugh during a telephone interview, acknowledging that he's given up on trying to assume things about his character because he's usually wrong. "It's interesting that I find post-death Locke up to this point much more relaxed and confident. I guess dying does that to you. I don't think he's too worried anymore. I think he might believe that he has the answers he's been looking for."

When Locke boarded Oceanic Flight 815 in the series pilot, he was paralyzed and in a wheelchair after having been pushed out of a high-rise window by his father. But the instant the plane crashed, Locke was healed, and that bonded him to the island in a way that none of his fellow castaways, especially Jack (Matthew Fox), have been able to comprehend.

"I've looked into the eye of this island, and what I saw . . . was beautiful," Locke told Jack only six days after the crash, establishing the man of science / man of faith tension that has dogged the two characters, most movingly in the note Locke left Jack before he died: "I wish you had believed me."

Locke intuitively felt that the island called him for a specific purpose. That suspicion was later reinforced by other intriguing island dwellers -- Richard Alpert, Charles Widmore and -- who at different times persuaded (or is it manipulated?) Locke into believing he is someone of importance on the island. Accepting his island destiny has been especially poignant for a man who has struggled with feelings of unworthiness and alienation his whole life.

"What he perceives, his understanding of the island, is special," said O'Quinn, who has won an Emmy for the role. "But it might be the road to hell. We still don't know what the moral entity of the island is. Is the island a good guy or a bad guy? That is the question I have.

"Because what's tragic about Locke is that he will follow," he added. "He's faithful to a fault. Once he decides, he follows to the end. You see the same sort of thing in politics. Someone who commits to a theory or a course so deeply that even when it's proven wrong, they can't stop doing it because they don't want to look like a fool. I believe Locke is going to stay this course whether it proves to be the good or evil one, the dark or light one."

Whatever the path, the drama is heightened by Locke's memories of Ben strangling him -- factors that will drive much of what happens to Locke for the remainder of the season.

"Obviously, Locke is of critical importance as to where the show is going and -- having died and come back to life -- that is 10 times more significant than being in a wheelchair and being able to walk, just on a spiritual level, so how is he different?" co-creator Damon Lindelof said. "What's very interesting moving forward is how is he going to process that experience and is he going to forgive Ben."

O'Quinn thinks his character might have more forgiveness in him. After all, he already forgave Ben for shooting him and throwing him into a mass grave.

"He seems to do it consistently, doesn't he?" he said. "The one thing about Locke is that he's never closed any options that I can see. He's never burned any bridges that I can see. He forgave his dad. He will forgive anybody if it will help him move forward. It wouldn't surprise me if somehow Ben talked his way out of this. At the moment, what we've shot to this point, I think Locke has a pretty strong upper hand."

And that self-possessed Locke is the one that O'Quinn prefers, although his days of complaining about the character's trajectory are over, he said. During the second season, O'Quinn expressed his disappointment with Locke's diminished role as the button-pusher in the hatch that temporarily loses his faith. Then, when Locke's strength resurfaced in the third season, he stabbed Naomi in the back and killed her, which didn't sit well with the actor.

"I told them I thought it was gratuitous blah blah blah, and the producers basically gave me what I think is the final step in my education for actors for television, which was 'Shut up, you have a contract,' " O'Quinn noted and laughed. "I can't desire that he do one thing or another, and I finally got it through my head."

The new O'Quinn is more like Locke, an in-the-moment, reflective man whose wish for his character is rather simple.

"In the end, I would like him to be terribly interesting," O'Quinn said. "Locke now has this sort of confidence that he never had in his first life, although a little confidence in a guy like him is a dangerous thing. I expect him to take at least one or two more surprising turns, and whether people like him or dislike him, I don't care, as long as they are not bored by him."

Locke? Boring? That doesn't seem likely.

As the series nears its final chapter next season, Locke could be The One who reveals one of the island's burning questions, the reason these castaways were all seemingly chosen to go there. Or someone (Ben? Widmore? Richard? Walt?) or something (the smoke monster? Christian's ghost?) could make Locke doubt himself again and wind up closer to the paralyzed man he once was, the man who was also willing to attempt suicide.

This season, viewers will have to wait a few weeks before seeing Locke again.

"How far he goes next year, what his role is, what the final destination of that character is, we just don't want to say because we feel it will spoil the journey of the show next season," said executive producer Carlton Cuse. "But Locke is one of those iconic centerpieces of the show, and Terry will be associated with the show forever in an incredibly good way because of how memorable his character is and because of the incredible skill with which he has executed that character."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 04, 2009, 09:15:19 PM
Holy shit, that was seriously the weirdest episode yet for me. I can't believe the direction they've taken it, it's incredible.

I loved it when he called Alpert 'the eyeliner guy', so funny. Sawyer's look at the end was so well done, so beautiful. Michelle from 24 was a bit much, and diner guy from Mulholland Drive was equally overzealous, it seemed. Oh, btw, Juliet and Sawyer have ZERO chemistry. I do not buy it at all. Maybe that's the point??

Did they sneak a glimpse of the four-toed statue during the previously-on? Was it just coyly edited together so I didn't notice that it was now the actual beginning of the episode? Very tricky. That statue was humongous too. Looked kind of like an Anubis, god of death. I think.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 05, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Great episode...too bad we have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode....Sadness...it was wonderful to see Michelle Dressler from '24' and the crazy man from 'Mulholland Drive'
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on March 05, 2009, 09:46:30 AM
and the wheelchair guy from friday night lights, who i, for some reason, thought was in a wheelchair in real life.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 05, 2009, 11:21:06 AM
this week COMPLETELY redeemed last week for me. too fucking good. i have always hated juliet. i think she is such a boring character. this week, the writers managed to make me like her in just a quick few lines, which proves that:

a) i am easily duped
b) the writers are master manipulators
c) the writers are assholes for delivering subpar episodes because we all know they can do better. why didn't they try harder to make juliet likable in the first place?

i've been saying her and sawyer were going to get together since they watched the freighter burning at the end of last season. i don't think they have much chemistry either, but i do like their scenes together. i think they have good chemistry in terms of back and forth banter, but romantically? nah. shit though, that whole "you can get over a person in three years" thing caught me off guard.

i have always been confused by people who stopped watching the show b/c they weren't having their questions answered. last week, the episode was all answers and hardly any questions and it was terrible. this week raised a lot of new questions, posed all new conflicts, and was one of the best eps in recent memory. the show is best when they answer questions with a bigger question. can't wait for next episode which is two weeks from now which is bullshit because the season finally just started getting great instead of very good. one episode and they can just turn everything around.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 05, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: abuck1220 on March 05, 2009, 09:46:30 AM
and the wheelchair guy from friday night lights, who i, for some reason, thought was in a wheelchair in real life.

Kevin Rankin!  I love that guy.  Hopefully that's not the one and only time we ever see him, like that one episode where Mac from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was a guard at one of the Dharma stations.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on March 05, 2009, 04:53:04 PM
I love everytime Richard Alpert appears, his scenes are always full of mysteriousness and it feels like pieces of a puzzle start falling in place and at the same time the mystery grows in complexity and more questions arise, agree with bon here, it's better when questions are answered with bigger ones.


Quote from: Gamblour. on March 04, 2009, 09:15:19 PM
Did they sneak a glimpse of the four-toed statue during the previously-on? Was it just coyly edited together so I didn't notice that it was now the actual beginning of the episode? Very tricky. That statue was humongous too. Looked kind of like an Anubis, god of death. I think.

I don't think it was previously shown, that thing looked great.

from lostpedia.
The ankh: The Egyptian hieroglyph is a symbol of eternal life and fertility. Egyptian gods are often portrayed carrying it by its loop, or bearing one in each hand, arms crossed over their chest. The giant statue appears to be holding one in each hand. Paul's necklace was also an ankh. Amy takes the ankh from Paul, and successfully gives birth on the Island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 05, 2009, 05:54:13 PM
I thought this episode was amazing. The statue with the 4 toes finally made another, albeit brief, appearance. The connection between those who stayed and the Dharma Inititive was tidily established. But most of all, I quite loved the end. I had predicted that Sawyer and Juliet would get together, but I didn't expect it to be so well done. His conversation about 3 years being enough to get over someone was incredible. And then that last scene where he just looks at her - perfect! I'm still thinking about it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 06, 2009, 01:52:41 AM
I agree with everything said here. This was an unbelievable episode. How amazing is this show? You never know what the hell they are coming up with. As much as we want to believe we see things coming (like Sawyer & Juliet) the circumstances and the way they do things are completely incredible.

Why 2 weeks? Damnit. I can't wait to see what's next.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 09, 2009, 08:20:56 AM
That episode beats out the Desmond/Nuke ep as the best of the season so far. Loved that brief statue glimpse... which happened right around when the plane crashed, right? Which makes me wonder if Sun and Sayid are actually stuck back whenever that was?

Loved the reveal that Sayer was a higher up at Dharma. Awesome. And I don't care what y'all say, I liked him with Juliet. Like Bonanzataz says, I suddenly find myself liking her now. To reintroduce the Sawyer-Kate romance at this point seems stupid to me. Especially since Kate has caught the complete-and-utterly-boring virus from Jack in their three years together off the island.

Everything kinda makes sense to me now. Apart from why Locke skipped three years into the future when he left the island. That's the one thing I can't figure out. Same thing happened to Ben though, didn't it? Did it? Huh?

I didn't realize there wasn't an ep this week. Man that sucks ass. I'm gonna rewatch this most recent ep then.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 12, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
WEDNESDAYS WITH NO LOST IS TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 12, 2009, 01:02:24 AM
Oh, I thought that was clickable.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 12, 2009, 11:41:28 AM
seriously. i thought the whole reason they start the season in january was so there could be new episodes every week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 19, 2009, 07:54:42 AM
Oh man, I can't believe how satisfying this show is. That lurch Juliet gave when she heard the baby's name. Sayid's face. Jack's tight shirt. Man, shit is going to get so tense between this huge love quadrangle, I can't wait to see where they take it.

And I had a dream about how the series ends. If I'm right, Peter Sarsgaard shows up as a Dharma Initiative recruit, and it's all a dream. That's probably wrong. I think the series will end with Sawyer and Kate being stuck in the past together, and lying down to die next to black and white stones. That would be a very poetic, transcendent ending. Maybe they had to sacrifice themselves to send everyone back to the present. Anyway, great episode, cannot wait to see where it goes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 19, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
'Lost': Finally, some answers
Source: Los Angeles Times

Most weeks "Lost" raises more questions than it answers. Tonight, we got more answers than questions. But not by much -- we still have plenty of questions. What made "Namaste" a great episode was the manner in which it gave us the answers. Instead of having everything spelled out, we got our answers casually, dropped in throughout the episode. So casually, in fact, that those who complain that the show never answers anything could easily continue their gripes, because on "Lost," the answers come only to those willing to pay close attention.

Some of the questions answered:

The identity of Horace and Amy's baby? It's Ethan -- the Other who abducted Claire back in Season 1 and wound up getting killed by Charlie. Which means not all of the Dharmas got killed in the Purge. Makes you wonder who else survived to join the Others....

The "when" of the Ajira plane landing and Locke, Sun, Frank and Ben? It's now. Thirty years since 1977.

How did Ben wind up unconscious when Locke found him? Sun knocked him out.

Why did the Others ask Michael to bring back Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer at the end of Season 2?  And how did they know their names? Because Ben obviously remembers them from his youth. We saw young Ben encounter Sayid (though he thinks he's an Other), he no doubt remembered the rest of the time travelers.

Who was Radzinsky? Kelvin's suicidal partner in the Swan Station was previously known only to us by the bloody stain he left on the ceiling when he blew his brains out. But back in 1977, we learn Radzinsky was a high-strung radio operator who had a hand in designing the station that eventually drove him to suicide. Judging by the annoying few moments we had to spend with him in tonight's episode, I'd say suicide was definitely an improvement for him.

But despite these holes in the story tied up for us, we're still left with some questions and half-formed notions. (Did we expect anything less? It's "Lost," people!)

Just what happened to Faraday? We saw him at the very beginning of this season as the Dharmas were about to uncover the frozen donkey wheel. And Sawyer informed Jack that Faraday wasn't around anymore. So where did Faraday go? We're guessing he's somewhere else in time -- maybe he's back in the present? Naaaaaah, too easy.

What's the connection between Christian and the Smoke Monster? Just as Sun and Frank were approaching Dharmaville, Smokey made an unseen cameo and Christian appeared soon after. A coincidence? Hardly. Recall that Smokey has impersonated the dead before -- he appeared to Mr. Eko as his dead brother just before killing him back in Season 3. But that raises an intriguing possibility. If Christian is actually Smokey in disguise, then Christian in the cabin is Smokey, which means Jacob, the mysterious "man behind the curtain" may, in fact, be the Smoke Monster.

And finally, for you HDTV users, what is the nature of the girl hiding in the shadows behind Sun near the end of her encounter with Christian? Go back and look closely -- just after Christian showed Sun the 1977 class photo of the Dharmas, we see a quick shot of Sun, and there, just over her left shoulder we see what looks like a girl, hiding in the shadows, move her head toward the camera. What do you think? Important clue or glaring production gaffe? My money's on the former. Remember that just before this little incident, we were treated to a VERY blatant shot of the door to the cabin mysteriously blowing open on its own and the smoke/fog/mist swirling inside.

From the previews for next week, it looks like the harmony in Dharma Town won't last too much longer, but will Jack and Sawyer learn to work together again? It certainly didn't take them too long to slip back into their old antagonistic roles. But geez, I'll bet Jack could encounter a resurrected John Locke and still treat him like he's a crazy person. Sawyer appears to have mellowed, but Jack is as testy as ever. He's got to work on that bad attitude.

Meanwhile, I don't foresee any good future for poor Juliet. It's only a matter of time before Sawyer goes back to that home wrecker, Kate. And once that happens, who knows how Juliet will take it? She used to be sinister, then she mellowed. I'm betting the sinister Juliet makes a comeback to do something really evil to Kate. And would she be in the wrong?

We already know a major death is coming soon to "Lost," so we'll know very soon if it's Juliet or Kate. Or ... someone else.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 19, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
a very george lucasian ending, it's like the creators of lost thinks we're stupid. of course we knew it was young ben talking to sayid, bitch!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on March 19, 2009, 06:51:27 PM
Black monster does exists! (http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=tonga-volcano-spews-spectacular-plu-2009-03-19)

:yabbse-tongue:

btw, awesome episode, can't wait for next week.

also just read at aicn that the season finale will be a two hours special.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 19, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 19, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
'Lost': Finally, some answers
Source: Los Angeles Times

And finally, for you HDTV users, what is the nature of the girl hiding in the shadows behind Sun near the end of her encounter with Christian? Go back and look closely -- just after Christian showed Sun the 1977 class photo of the Dharmas, we see a quick shot of Sun, and there, just over her left shoulder we see what looks like a girl, hiding in the shadows, move her head toward the camera. What do you think? Important clue or glaring production gaffe? My money's on the former.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/4e/509_sun_woman2.jpg (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/4e/509_sun_woman2.jpg)

My money's on the latter.  I'm giving 5 to 1 odds that's a PA who was standing in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on March 19, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
that is so sun's babeh
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on March 20, 2009, 02:05:06 AM
It's claire!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 20, 2009, 02:22:43 AM
How ridiculously amazing is this show? I never thought 40+ minutes of TV would be so great and make me so happy.

Once again I had the great idea of watching this on the airplane, which freaked out the fat guy who was sitting next to me as soon as it started. He probably thinks I'm insane to watch a plane crash while we're flying, but hell if the chances are to crash in that island and find Kate, so be it.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 20, 2009, 06:33:54 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 19, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on March 19, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
'Lost': Finally, some answers
Source: Los Angeles Times

And finally, for you HDTV users, what is the nature of the girl hiding in the shadows behind Sun near the end of her encounter with Christian? Go back and look closely -- just after Christian showed Sun the 1977 class photo of the Dharmas, we see a quick shot of Sun, and there, just over her left shoulder we see what looks like a girl, hiding in the shadows, move her head toward the camera. What do you think? Important clue or glaring production gaffe? My money's on the former.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/4e/509_sun_woman2.jpg (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/4e/509_sun_woman2.jpg)

My money's on the latter.  I'm giving 5 to 1 odds that's a PA who was standing in the wrong place.

Yeah me too, it looks like she has somekind of a logo t-shirt... hardly a dreadful spectre costume (orwhatever)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 23, 2009, 08:36:09 AM
I really thought we were going to find out that Sayid and Sun were going to be back in the prehistoric time period that the island briefly flashed to - revealing the intact statue - just as the plane crashed. Seems not. But maybe that's where Faraday is instead then. The fact that we saw him underneath the orchid as it was being constructed in the opening seconds of the season tells me that's where this season is building to. And if so the finale could be pretty awesome, centering on Faraday blowing the lid off all this time-travel madness. And since Desmond is his constant, he should play a pretty big role too. Yeay!

And I still hate Jack and Kate. They make me yawn. Boo!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 23, 2009, 01:33:05 PM
ADMIN-EDIT: POTENTIAL BIG SPOILS FOR FUTURE EPISODES

I just read this:

An ABC insider confirms that Lost will begin filming a wedding ceremony later today that is slated to air during the show's two-hour finale on May 13. Who's getting hitched? Here are a pair of clues: Actors of Asian-American descent are being sought to play extras, and the wedding will take place on the mainland, not the island. That pretty much rules out Jack/Kate or Sawyer/Juliet. "One theory is that it's a flashback to Sun and Jin's wedding," whispers a Lost insider. "But the wild rumor is that Sun and Jin's daughter will marry Aaron in the future."

And I'm also wondering... where the hell are Rose & Bernard? And the other plane people who did not get rescued and stayed at the island? They must have suffered the flashbacks and they have to be somewhere? Nobody ever talks about that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 23, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
I miss Bernard and Rose.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 23, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: kal on March 23, 2009, 01:33:05 PM
And I'm also wondering... where the hell are Rose & Bernard? And the other plane people who did not get rescued and stayed at the island? They must have suffered the flashbacks and they have to be somewhere? Nobody ever talks about that.

holy shit never thought of this either. let this be a case where we have to pretend these annoying characters never existed please
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 23, 2009, 09:18:05 PM
kal, can you please please please label something like that as a potential future spoiler?  I avoid reading that kind of shit for a reason.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 24, 2009, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on March 23, 2009, 09:18:05 PM
kal, can you please please please label something like that as a potential future spoiler?  I avoid reading that kind of shit for a reason.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 24, 2009, 07:23:25 PM
i imagine rose, bernard, and anyone else left from the original group of survivors joined up with richard and the hostiles.

it's interesting to think that rousseau, her daughter alex and ethan were all alive because of the time travellers interference, and they all end up dead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 25, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
Tonight! Tonight! Tonight is another episode!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 25, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
HUGE MOTHER FUCKING SPOILERS

I can't believe they actually did it. Here's the question now, where does the paradox begin? Ben can't just suddenly disappear, that wouldn't make any sense. The minute they went back to the 70s, Ben should've just ceased to exist, right? Unless two realities can exist at the same time. This is getting very Back to the Future Part II.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 25, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Not a whole happened but def. some good moments, including the end. Holy shit not everyday you see a kid get shot in the heart on tv.

I loved the torturer in the tipi that was a good flash. Though I don't believe LSD is quite that effective but anyway maybe Sayid just wanted to tell them all that stuff.

As far as Ben dying, according the Faraday's theory he can't die but maybe there's somekind of timesplit or something of the sort...we'll say.

In 20 years we'll look at Lost the same way we look at say The Prisoner today : ''I can't believe this was on TV''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 25, 2009, 09:20:23 PM
MORE MOTHERFUCKING SPOILS

i was thinking the exact same thing pas rap.. and on prime time. and on abc.

i thought this was an amazing ep. so brilliantly constructed.. the thought of murder occurred to me, but it slipped out of my mind just like they wanted it to...

gamblour: the paradox is 100% upon us the moment ben dies... they've established for the most part that this isn't a multiverse.. so the whole universe should've shat itself and died in that moment.. so i'm completely LOST. but i have faith that however they address this, it'll be good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 25, 2009, 09:36:16 PM
it was a huge huge holy shit.  not often you see

SPOILER

a kid getting shot on television

END SPOILER

but, i think

SPOILER

he wont die.

END SPOILER

they've already said they're not going the heroes "can change the future" route.  so i think this could be something that makes him grow up to be a real mean bastard.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 25, 2009, 09:38:20 PM
You goddamned East Coasters and your goddamned spoilers that I'm powerless not to look at.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 25, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
mothafuckin spoils

Quote from: modage on March 25, 2009, 09:36:16 PMso i think this could be something that makes him grow up to be a real mean bastard.
yeah that's pretty brilliant.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 25, 2009, 11:11:16 PM
SPOILERS

my initial thought was that he didn't die, but my friend suggested something interesting when he said that what is going on in 1977 is going on concurrently with what is happening in present day. so when ben dies in 1977, he dies in the 2008 reality as well. askhdglkasjhfgalskjfgh what?

very cool, it was also the first time i considered character this season, and the potential mental effect that this time traveling stuff would have on you. geeky stuff for sure, very cool very cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 26, 2009, 01:38:55 AM
SPOILERS OF COURSE

I was thinking about Sayid killing that fucking kid the whole episode, so I jumped from the couch at the end. However it does raise some ridiculous questions because their whole existence would have changed if Ben was no longer there, and responsible for everything that happened to them all the way from season 2.

Imagine that the bastard had everything to do since the murders of Ana Lucia until pretty much any shitty thing that happened to the 815 people in their fricking lives.

Anyways, if the kid is not dead then he definitely has a great excuse to become even more crazy, angry and bitter. He may also remember Sayid and that is why he is being such an ass with Sayid as a grownup. If that was the case though, Ben is once again a step ahead of everyone else because he knows exactly what will happen next.

This is really insane. It was a OK episode. I'm glad they showed how Sayid got to the plane, which was very confusing before. The two funniest moments in the episode where first when Sawyer shows up and Sayid says "a kid called Benjamin Linus just brought me a chicken sandwich, how do you think I'm feeling?", and then when he got to the gate at the airport and realized what was happening. Other than that nothing major happened with the other characters. And I still have my fucking question about where are the other survivors!!!!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 26, 2009, 07:37:48 AM
MORE SPOILS

Yeah, Sayid slowly realizing where they were headed, that was probably one of my favorite moments in the series. Such an ominous realization.

So grown-up Ben has a scar on his chest? Hm. That's a maybe. The next episode is called "Whatever Happened, Happened." Maybe Faraday will come back and discuss just exactly what the fuck is going on.

Also, Sebastien from Blade Runner was AWESOME. Such a creep.

And yes, where in the fuck are Rose and Bernard? With the Hostiles?  Did they run away to die peacefully? Maybe they're with Christian. How can this show keep me guessing?!? They did it, they shot Ben, and now I'm more confused than ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 10:35:19 AM
What a fucking hell of a episode. Can't get over it.  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on March 26, 2009, 11:17:45 AM
^^ ditto

SPOILS OF COURSE


to add something to the little ben killing, maybe Richard Alpert will somehow save him, that's the only thing I can think of, or, Dr. Jack comes and performs a miracle surgery...will see

damn, i just got a flash back to ben shooting Locke, if locke somehow survived so will ben and maybe that's why ben shot locke back then.....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit this show is INSANE!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 11:26:17 AM
Also, did anybody notice J.F. Sabastian from 'Blade Runner' in the episode?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 26, 2009, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 11:26:17 AM
Also, did anybody notice J.F. Sabastian from 'Blade Runner' in the episode?

Quote from: Gamblour. on March 26, 2009, 07:37:48 AM
Also, Sebastien from Blade Runner was AWESOME. Such a creep.

Gamblour did, at the very least.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 12:53:13 PM
I am also really staring to get sick of Jack and Kate's whiny attitude. I really wish Sawyer would slap and kick the shit out of both of them. Let me tell you something: life sucks, get a fucking helmet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 26, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
The book that young Ben gives Sayid:

A Separate Reality is an allegedly non-fictional book written by anthropologist/author Carlos Castaneda in 1971 concerning the events that took place during an apprenticeship he claimed to have served with a self-proclaimed Yaqui Indian Sorcerer, Don Juan Matus, between 1968 and 1971. The authenticity of the book, along with the rest of Castaneda's series, has been a topic of debate since they were published.

In the book Castaneda continues his description of his apprenticeship under the tutelage of Don Juan, from which he had withdrawn in 1965. As in his previous book, The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, Castaneda describes the experiences he has with Don Juan while under the influence of the psychotropic plants that Don Juan offered him, peyote (Lophophora williamsii) and a smokable mixture of what Castaneda believed to be, among other plants, dried mushroom of the genus Psilocybe. The main focus of the book centered around Don Juan's attempts at getting Carlos to See, a practice best described as, in Castaneda's own words, "perceiving energy directly as it flows through the universe".

The book contains an introduction, an epilogue and two separate parts. Part One, "The Preliminaries of 'Seeing'", describes his re-initiation into the apprenticeship from which he withdrew in late 1965, and also describes his introduction to another brujo (sorcerer) named Don Genaro. Part Two, "The Task of 'Seeing'", elaborates on the mental processes involved with Seeing, and begins with Castaneda realizing that the plants are a necessary tool to arrive at Seeing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 26, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 12:53:13 PM
I am also really staring to get sick of Jack and Kate's whiny attitude. I really wish Sawyer would slap and kick the shit out of both of them. Let me tell you something: life sucks, get a fucking helmet.

I know, if you had told me two years ago that Jack and Kate would end up being the characters I cared about the least, I would never have believed you.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 26, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 26, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 12:53:13 PM
I am also really staring to get sick of Jack and Kate's whiny attitude. I really wish Sawyer would slap and kick the shit out of both of them. Let me tell you something: life sucks, get a fucking helmet.

I know, if you had told me two years ago that Jack and Kate would end up being the characters I cared about the least, I would have believed you.

Well, I just time-slipped and did tell you. Look how things are changing (maybe)!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 26, 2009, 10:23:04 PM
three episodes without john locke makes me wondering they're saving the best for last (again).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on March 26, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
They are.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 28, 2009, 10:12:25 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 26, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
if you had told me two years ago that Jack and Kate would end up being the characters I cared about the least, I would never have believed you.

They've been my least favorites ever since the cages. That ep was entertaining enough, but not a lot really happened. The "how do you think I'm doing" line was good. The writing is starting to get really cliched though. Last ep ended with the reveal "I'm Ben"... this one starts with the reveal "Well done Sayid".... c'mon if we can follow this show we can figure those moments out, do it more creatively at least. I want to see more of the other characters. The first few eps handled it really well cutting between everyone on the island, and those off - even though the 6 + Locke + Ben were all over the place. I'm looking forward to more Faraday and Desmond. I guess Rose and Bernard have just been written off, but please at least bring them back so we can see them die on screen. I just want my closure if they have to go.

Was it someone on here who suggested Smokey IS Jacob? If so, the more I think about it, the more I think that could be right. Y'know, how he controls the island, and appears to people as dead people - like Christian. The answer for Smokey lies in the prehistoric era with the statue. Mark my words. It's a-coming. I just want the prehistoric don'tcha know.

THEORY #1623:

Wouldn't it be cool if Ben has died and so no longer exists, that we find out he really was a good guy all along and that everything "bad" he's done was actually for the greater good - to prevent much worse atrocities which Whitmore would have/now can cause. Oooooh....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 28, 2009, 10:18:33 AM
Yeah I'm replying to myself...  Maybe Faraday comes back and explains all the above a la:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FOOa8UKtrg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FOOa8UKtrg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 30, 2009, 07:56:59 AM
i want a henry gale episode
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 01, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
lol @ ddigler's avatar

as for tonight's ep, can someone confirm that there was no surgeon to treat Ben because it was ''friday and he's on vacation at the looking glass station'' ? I think I heard that. W-T-F go get him then

The problem with this season is that before there was a motivation : getting back home. Now, what the hell is the motivation ? Clearly if they can't change anything, then they are not really living but just doing somekind of theater play. Everything they do has no consequences on the future because there is no ''alternate choice''. Even if they think of doing something and doing the exact opposite, it's the only reality. That's what fucks up my gf but I think I understand. Though clearly Jack or no one else on the island understand that they cannot possibly not save Ben. It is simply not doable.

If you remember Micheal not being able to die, I guess it's kinda the same thing.

So there is no tension whatsoever in the episode focusing on saving Ben since it is impossible for him not to be saved. Which makes this a total waste of an episode.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: private witt on April 01, 2009, 09:10:33 PM
Lost is the single shittiest show on television.  I can't believe all you fools thing soap opera acting and dialog written by third graders is worth watching every week.  That show is fucking laughable and you should all be embarrassed as shit that you got suckered into enjoying such a turd of a program.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 01, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
I said it on the 24 thread before reading this. I cannot tolerate this idiot anymore.

private witt, just leave man.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 01, 2009, 09:18:56 PM

Quote from: private witt on April 01, 2009, 09:10:33 PM
Lost is the single shittiest show on television.  I can't believe all you fools thing soap opera acting and dialog written by third graders is worth watching every week.  That show is fucking laughable and you should all be embarrassed as shit that you got suckered into enjoying such a turd of a program.

Really immature critique. Could you please, if you have a problem with it, word your bashing more carefully and a bit more in-depth, like GT did with 'There Will Be Blood'?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 01, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
Also, I second kal's notion.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 01, 2009, 10:28:02 PM
spoils

i think they did an interesting thing here, in that its ambiguous to the losties (and to us as well i suppose) as to what the rules of time travel actually are.. they cannot run the risk of not saving ben because it would mean the end of their existence. so essentially they have to try and uphold what they think is suppose to happen to save themselves, and thats precisely why it happened in the first place (?).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 02, 2009, 12:26:48 AM
Sure, that makes sense. Really enjoyed his one too, even though it was a slightly weaker episode than others this year. Liked the 'back to the future' reference. I'm tired with lonliness...that has nothing to do with the episode, I've just been going through a terrible rough patch. Yeah, decent episode though. Jack is a stobborn bastard.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: private witt on April 02, 2009, 02:04:27 AM
Quote from: kal on April 01, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
I said it on the 24 thread before reading this. I cannot tolerate this idiot anymore.

private witt, just leave man.

April fools, idiot.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 02, 2009, 02:33:14 AM
It was a great episode but it seemed kinda odd how everything was spelled out. They had all the same conversations we would have. First Hugo and the asian dude, and then at the end of Richard Alpert. It was pretty good to see Richard take little Ben into that fricking castle/whateverthefuckthatis, right after he said he would not remember anything and bla bla. Pretty much answered lots of questions or at least made us know they are aware of what we are asking.

Kate was pretty solid in this episode, so I'm glad she was kinda back. Also, its good that they even addressed how different Jack is and he accepts that he is doing the opposite of what he used to do.

Overall it was pretty good, and once again the end was priceless with Ben's face waking up and seeing Locke.




Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 02, 2009, 02:45:09 AM
Sorry to post again but run into an interesting blog post somewhere else:

The show seems to be hinting at this latter possibility with the end of the episode. Know how Ben always insists that he was born on this Island, and that makes him special. We've just always thought of that as one of his lies. But what if he actually believes it? What if it's not only metaphorically true, but in his eyes, literally true? His memory loss not only explains away the "why didn't he recognize anyone as Henry Gale" conundrum, but also gives new context to every action taken as leader, his relationship to the smoke monster, and to Jacob himself.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 02, 2009, 03:05:36 AM
For the first time in a while, I felt totally on board with Jack's decisions in this episode.  If everything has already happened and nothing can be changed, what's the point in sweating it?  Just sit back and let the chips fall where they may (actually, where they've already fallen and are therefore predetermined to fall no matter what).

And I loved the time travel discussion between Hurley and Miles.  It felt like a scene out of "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead", with its circles of logic and the underlying absurdity of it all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 02, 2009, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: kal on April 02, 2009, 02:45:09 AM
Sorry to post again but run into an interesting blog post somewhere else:

The show seems to be hinting at this latter possibility with the end of the episode. Know how Ben always insists that he was born on this Island, and that makes him special. We've just always thought of that as one of his lies. But what if he actually believes it? What if it's not only metaphorically true, but in his eyes, literally true? His memory loss not only explains away the "why didn't he recognize anyone as Henry Gale" conundrum, but also gives new context to every action taken as leader, his relationship to the smoke monster, and to Jacob himself.

Don't agree with that. I'm quite convinced that Henry Gale did recognize people. This has been explained by the list of people he requested be brought to him in season 2, the people he already knew.

Also, about having to save been or risking not existing: not valid. If not saving Ben can make him die, then it means multiple realities exist. According to Faraday's theory, there is only one reality. Which means that the Losties are now acting out the chain of events that lead them to the island in the first place. Whatever they do is what have lead them there. Whatever the choice they make is they choice that leads to Ben being like he his etc.

And if Faraday's theory was wrong than 3523 plot holes appear.

Right now the biggest plot hole I can find is that some of the Losties are alive twice in the world, which means that them as little kids will grow up to be them at 2007 and see pictures of themselves as Dharma on the island, which wasn't there before. How is that explainable.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 02, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: kal on April 02, 2009, 02:33:14 AM
It was a great episode but it seemed kinda odd how everything was spelled out. They had all the same conversations we would have. First Hugo and the asian dude, and then at the end of Richard Alpert.

yeah that bothered me a little but I liked the part with richard alpert, so other than that it was a fun episode and I liked jack too who isn't confused at all about their present in the past and the way he's making sense of the situation.


Quote from: SiliasRuby on April 02, 2009, 12:26:48 AM
Liked the 'back to the future' reference.

yep, and before hugo mentioned it when sawyer tells kate to scram for a second I thought he was going to say 'scram mcfly!'
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on April 02, 2009, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: kal on April 02, 2009, 02:33:14 AM
right after he said he would not remember anything and bla bla. Pretty much answered lots of questions or at least made us know they are aware of what we are asking.

i mean i hope they only added that line in there because they know we're asking that question. otherwise, it just seems a little too convenient, non? i mean, there's no way any of that shit in s3 happened if ben knew who jack, kate, sawyer, sayid, and jin were, but i'll be totally disappointed if they try to get away with explaining that through richard's one line of lazy dialogue. also, i agree with pas rap about them crashing in 2007 and not being recognized by any of the others, rousseau, and not seeing themselves in dharma pics. lucy, you got some 'splainin to do...

i'm also very happy that my time travel theory was so wrong, but now there are a million inconsistencies that i pray get answered (and not in an easy and convenient way) b/c of it. i'm sure desmond and faraday will have something to do with the answering of our lingering questions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment has officially set Lost: The Complete Fifth Season for release on DVD and Blu-ray on 12/8 (SRP $59.99 and $79.99). Each will be a 5-disc set including all 17 episodes, along with commentaries, deleted scenes, cast interviews and behind-the-scenes features (TBA). The Blu-ray set will also include additional exclusive features (also TBA).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 08, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
Hm, I feel like this was a bit clumsy. They had a lot of information and secrets to reveal, and they just kinda bungled it. And smokey looks worse than ever. Not my favorite episode, but great to see John back in action.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 08, 2009, 09:38:31 PM
dudes, the day lost died. that was weak.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 08, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
yeah... i was really distracted by how shitty the smoke monster looked.. and the pilot is becoming incredibly annoying/squinty. very clumsily written.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 09, 2009, 08:45:12 AM
Yeah there's hardly anything to say after such an episode... it's almost puzzling in terms of lack of quality.

The smoke monster is straight out of a sci-fi channel tv-movie
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on April 09, 2009, 09:50:43 AM
Huh, I must have watched a different episode b/c I thought it was pretty awesome. Definitely a lot better than the last two. The smoke monster has always looked shitty and cheesy. And the writing is often clumsy. These beefs didn't seem anymore severe last night than usual. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 09, 2009, 11:28:45 AM
I'm with you on this one. I'm not really understanding all the hating on what I thought was a really interesting episode. Of course the smoke monster looks shitty, it's an absurdly ambitious effect to try and do on a television budget and schedule. I care more about how we got to see a very different side of Ben than we've seen before, and the intriguing possibilities set up by what Smoke-Alex told him. Not to mention what the hell's going on back at the beach.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 09, 2009, 11:35:39 AM
I'm also with polka and C-brad. Its getting though to a point where my head is really starting to hurt from thinking about when we are in story.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 09, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
i get wee feeling that john and ben has switched personalities, before locke died he was kind of unsure of himself etc and ben was confident and knew everything. after locke was resurrected and he seems very confident and the scene where he tells ben to go under the temple is one example, where ben felt very afraid. i dunno, just feels like that. i'm also very interested where exactly christian shepherd will appear since we don't know what happened to claire. and i think it will end with a mushy tearjerker over the top reunion scene with jack but i look forward to it. rewatching old episodes kinda help refreshing the memory doesn't it? :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on April 09, 2009, 01:48:43 PM
Is it at all possible that the oceanic 6 / new dharma initiative were also passengers on the black pearl? Or was Danielle's group the only passengers from the boat? I really think Jack/Hurley/Kate etc have been there even before the dharma initiative.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 09, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: ©brad on April 09, 2009, 09:50:43 AM
Huh, I must have watched a different episode b/c I thought it was pretty awesome. Definitely a lot better than the last two. The smoke monster has always looked shitty and cheesy. And the writing is often clumsy. These beefs didn't seem anymore severe last night than usual. 

The smoke monster actually looks pretty amazing in The Shape of Things to Come. It's the first thing I watched when I got the Blu ray. But then again, nothing will top the crap awfulness that was the ship exploding last season. Anyway. The smoke monster wasn't why the episode was bad.

Locke was very one-note: confident. Yeah yeah, we've always known the island wanted him. He pretty much just come off annoying the entire episode. I was surprised that they revealed why Ben was all fucked up/Penny's fate so quickly and without much fanfare. But Ben gushing a bunch of blood out of his mouth in the water was pretty awesome.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 09, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Quote from: shnorff on April 09, 2009, 01:48:43 PM
Is it at all possible that the oceanic 6 / new dharma initiative were also passengers on the black pearl? Or was Danielle's group the only passengers from the boat? I really think Jack/Hurley/Kate etc have been there even before the dharma initiative.

just a question here, the black rock ended on the island due to a previous moving the island thingie, right? it's like if for an example benjamin's great great grandfather in a drunken stupor moved the wheel so the island disappeared and by accident the black eherm...! rock! was sailing and when the island appeared again it appeared under the ship that it became shipwrecked.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 09, 2009, 09:45:10 PM
i've never taken issue with the way effects are handled on the show. for the most part they're handled pretty tastefully, with few exceptions (the boat explosion being one, which would have been infuriating if they had tried to get around showing).  the only gripe i have with episodes like this is that it seems like they're rushing through interesting character stuff. Rousseau's story felt like it needed more time, and if thats all we're going to see of widmore and ben's relationship on the island i'll be disappointed.  i loved the actor they found to portray younger widmore and i would've liked to see more of him. 

some interesting tidbits: the manner in which ben took alex came across more as him saving her from widmore as opposed to taking her for himself. i loved the moment of hesitation when ben saw charlie emerge from the boat. anytime emerson shows any glimpse of humanity he's electrifying. as over the top as ben is as a character last night showed that emerson plays him with a lot of restraint, which is why it's so jarring to see him out of his element like he was last night. 

so is that what ben meant by widmore "changing the rules"? widmore said that if the island wanted alex dead she would end up dead, but does it really count if it's widmore who sends the killer? i suppose that could be some sort of course correction considering he sent ben to kill her in the first place and she ended up dying in the same manner. last night felt clumsy because they crammed too much in, but i've still been enjoying this season a lot.

ceasars death was fantastic!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 10, 2009, 01:21:13 AM
Yeah I liked the episode but it definitely seems like they're rushing through a lot of info that has been building up for years. I mean, knowing the whole backstory of him a Widmore, him and Rousseau/Alex, plus what happened between him an Penny is a bit too much for one episode. That is what bothers me about Lost in terms of its structure. There are episodes when nothing happens and there is a very simple and slow storyline, and sometimes they just put everything into 40 minutes and the writing is a bit sloppy.

So weird that Cesar was killed so quickly, but it was pretty cool. I'm also grad they took a break from Sawyer/Jack, etc.

One thing that bothered me was that Sun and Lapedus found the photo from 1977, showed it Ben, and then they did not discuss it at all with Locke. It would have been an interesting conversation because Locke is the one who saw Sawyer and the others last before leaving, and would understand how they got stuck in time. So it makes sense that they should have had the discussion.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 10, 2009, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: kal on April 10, 2009, 01:21:13 AM
Yeah I liked the episode but it definitely seems like they're rushing through a lot of info that has been building up for years.

THAT is what I meant to say.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 11, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
'Lost': What lies in the shadow of the statue?
Source: Los Angeles Times

Good ol' "Lost." Even when they announce a week in advance what the episode will be about -- in this case, lots more information on the Smoke Monster -- they manage to throw us a surprise from left field.  Tonight, we fully expected to see the scoop on the temple, the monster and what happened to Penny, but who could have expected the revelation that Ilana and a few other passengers from the Ajira Airways flight were apparently Others all along (though of the exiled and ticked-off-about-it variety).

The giveaway? Their code with one another: "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" The answer? We don't know for sure yet. Though there are a few options. "Death" is my guess, but depending on the definition of "lies" it could also be "Ben." How cutesy are the Others? Not very. I'm sticking with "Death."

Why "Death"? That has a lot to do with what Ben saw underneath the temple. (Technically the wall surrounding the temple, but let's not get bogged down in details). Finally, after so many years of people asking "What is the Smoke Monster?" we got, if not exactly a definitive answer, then at least as close to a full answer as I think we're going to get. Down there in the Smoke Monster's lair, which looks like an unused set from "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," Ben learned that: 1) The Smoke Monster sleeps beneath the stone grid and 2) Instructions say that it was a force used by the Egyptian god Anubis to judge the dead on their way to the afterlife.

Presumably that also clears up the question of whom the broken, four-toed statue depicts. It's Anubis' island, and Ben and Locke and even Widmore are merely visitors.

The evolution of our main characters continues, and this week we got to see the formation of the new dynamic between newly chastened Ben, forgiven by the island for allowing his daughter to die, and Creepy Zen Locke, who has found in death what he never had in life -- a sense of inner calm and peace. He's no longer a man blindly casting about for something or someone to believe in. He believes in himself, and that's all that matters. It also helps that somehow Locke seems to have all the answers to the island that Ben once had. In our new "Lost" world order, Sawyer is the new Jack. Locke is the new Ben and Sun is the new Desmond (she just wants to be reunited with her true love).

Visually, this is the most beautiful episode we've seen in a long time. The island looked amazing, especially the shots of Locke and Ben paddling to the main island. I don't know what the extra cost of filming in Hawaii is, but scenes like this totally justify the extra cost. Amazing.

To be honest, the scene of the swirling Smoke Monster was a little too Indiana Jones for my tastes. I kept waiting to hear Ben scream, "It's beautiful!" and have his face melt off. But I appreciated the ideas behind the Smoke Monster even though its execution was a bit lacking. For all the lying and double-dealing Ben's engaged in over the last few seasons, his heart apparently has been mostly in the right place. At least when it came to his daughter. And his warning that came in the form of Alex herself ended in a much nicer manner than Mr. Eko's final encounter with the Smoke Monster in the guise of his dead brother.

But it leaves a big question. If Alex and Eko's brother were manifestations of the Smoke Monster, what is Christian? And Claire? And Locke himself, for that matter. As Ben said, the island doesn't bring people back from the dead as part of its usual routine. Are they all aspects of Smokey? I suspect so.

Finally, for those looking closely a few more books were added to the extensive "Lost" reading list. On the shelf in Alex's old room were "Uncle Tom's Cabin," "Roots" and a book that I'm 99% certain is "Flowers for Algernon." After several bookless weeks, "Lost" seems to have gotten back to giving us what we want: weird mysteries and a few good books to add to our nightstand.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 16, 2009, 12:05:16 AM
It's about time Faraday's back.  But another two week wait???  Fuck that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 16, 2009, 01:06:37 AM
Was it me, or did teen Miles look like Rufio?

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestweekever.tv%2Fbwe%2Fimages%2F2008%2F02%2FHook.JPG&hash=8a1efc2dae6a7831706c68e26c545598d956c3f6)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 16, 2009, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on April 16, 2009, 01:06:37 AM
Was it me, or did teen Miles look like Rufio?

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestweekever.tv%2Fbwe%2Fimages%2F2008%2F02%2FHook.JPG&hash=8a1efc2dae6a7831706c68e26c545598d956c3f6)
What if Miles is Ruffio.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 16, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
i wrote a little blog about LOST...

I had a few thoughts recently about why this season of LOST is not quite doing it for me and I think it boils down to this:

It's more interesting to present a mystery than it is to solve one.

The closer we come to the end of the series, the less mystery that remains.  The absolute best episodes of the show are the ones with the highest WTF factor.  The episodes you never could've seen coming, expand the scope of the show and keep you engaged.  The most unsatisfying episodes are the ones that answer a lot of those questions, threading the gaps can be revelatory but can also confirm what you may already have figured out.  Which is my worry that with a little over a season to go, the show may be little more than tying up the loose ends.

What is the statue?  What is the island?  Why is Locke's destiny to lead the Others?  I'm not sure there are satisfying answers to any of these questions.  Now that the show has fully ventured into the supernatural, we know there are not going to be logical explanations for these questions.  Fans of the show have long demanded answers but what they don't realize is getting them wont make them feel satisfied!  I recently rewatched Twin Peaks which is the prime example of resolving the mystery killing the show creatively.  And to borrow a Star Wars reference reference from LOST:

LOST was Star Wars original Trilogy, and now it's the prequel Trilogy.

We're back in time and we're getting answers to questions we didn't neccesarily ask.  (I'm not sure I needed an extensive look at what life was like for Dharma workers.)  The biggest misstep in my opinion is: young Ben Linus.  Ben was so much more effective as a sociopath whose motivations were mysterious and origins unknown.  Once we've seen Ben's childhood, and made him sympathetic he's no longer a great villain (just like Darth Vader!).  They could've taken a page from Chris Nolan's Joker and hinted at but never fully explained why Ben is this way.

I'm just hoping that there are more mysteries left and that some questions remain unanswered.  Sometimes less is more.


http://modage.tumblr.com/post/96934704/the-trouble-with-lost
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 16, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
I agree with you when it comes to ben mod, but I am still heavily enjoying myself.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on April 17, 2009, 12:03:44 AM
i think that what you're saying is mostly true, mod, but i don't agree with your reasoning. you say that learning the answers to all of lost's questions isn't very satisfying, which is true, but not because we are learning the answers, just because of the way the answers are being presented. for me, one of the best moments of the series was finding out that the hatch, the major thrust of that season, was responsible for the plane crash. all that time had been building and building over the season when we were asking, what happens when you don't push the button, and then when we found out, i don't know about you, but that's probably the biggest wtf moment for me. the answers are satisfying when the answers are as big as the questions.

this season has been constantly answering questions that, like you said, maybe need not have been answered, and if they DID need to be answered, they are being answered in very unspectacular and all too tidy ways. the biggest gaffe so far has been little ben, especially in that incredibly convenient line of dialogue explaining that by being saved, ben will just become evil and won't remember any of the losties. they ARE pulling a lucas by going back in time and reinventing things so that it fits in with this season's major plot points instead of tailoring what could be considered minor plot points (for this season, that is) to fit with earlier seasons. another big example of this is whidmore and his relationship with his daughter penny. so now they're trying to tell me that for what must have been the first 10-15 years of his daughter's life, whidmore was going back and forth from the island to the mainland without penny's knowledge? keep in mind, the submarine only comes once a month, so this would mean a month on the island, a month off the island. whidmore would be absent for half of her childhood, yet penny and her father seem fairly close - so close, in fact, that desmond feels it necessary to ask whidmore permission for penny's hand in marriage then actually doesn't go through with the proposal when whidmore says "no." it's ridiculous. let's also not forget that the reason whidmore was kicked off the island was for having a life on the mainland. so for 10-15 years, nobody on the island realized that he was leaving for long stretches of time? the sneaky "others" or whatever they're calling themselves now never spied on him to find out about his family? i won't even get heavily into money issues or how whidmore became wealthy on the mainland while being incommunicado half of the year, but needless to say, it's preposterous. the only reason they had whidmore stay on the island for longer than he feasibly should have is because it heightened the dramatic tension between whidmore and ben... going back in time to create scenarios that don't make sense in earlier seasons but make sense dramatically in this season... it's sloppy writing. say what you will about the dialogue being ham-handed, but the lost writers have always been very good at plotting, pacing, and consistency, it's just not been that apparent this season.

let's take a look at, of all things, larry david. what makes seinfeld, curb your enthusiasm, and, albeit to a lesser extent, sour grapes so memorable is the way they are plotted. you have storyline A and storyline B (and sometimes more) and they all seem unconnected until the final act when all storylines collide with one another resulting in an explosion of hilarity. at the best of times, this is what lost does (especially in using the flashbacks and what is happening on the island to further character development). what's different is that there are storylines that run through entire seasons, so tying them up is a bit harder. what they're doing, though, is not even bothering to follow us through to the punchline. they're just kind of dropping answers for the sake of dropping answers. what i HATE about this season is the constant use of giving us little reveals and pretending like they're big reveals. how many times this season did they not show a character's face until the end of a scene and then most of the time you didn't even know who the fuck that person was until they said "i'm little ben"? it's infuriating! so no, mod, i don't think learning the answers is a bad thing for the show, i think that sloppy writing is a bad thing for the show.


i will only talk about twin peaks for the rest of this post.


it's ridiculous to say that twin peaks failed because it answered questions. watch that show again, the only real questiony questions that were asked in that series were in the pilot. the rest of the show is about finding answers which lead to bigger questions, much like lost. twin peaks reached its zenith in the answer followed by a question pattern when laura palmer's killer was revealed and the mysteries of BOB were brought to light. when the killer was revealed and then in turn killed, those were two of the hardest hitting episodes of that show that i had ever seen. those were VERY satisfying answers, and even if wanting to know more about BOB wasn't AS intriguing as knowing who physically killed laura palmer, i was still anxious to know more about the mysteries of the woods and the white and black lodges. the writers and directors from season 2 didn't know how to handle it though. look at season 1 of twin peaks. its quirkiness and melodrama are definitely a major part if its appeal, but both characteristics are always restrained juuust before the breaking point. the show never really enters into the realm of flat out silly. season 2 takes brilliant and lovable characters and pushes their quirkiness beyond the breaking point. nadine enters high school with super strength. the humorous subtext of the melodrama is gone, and replaced with simple cliche when james finds himself in the company of evelyn. a lot of this was due to the high episode order after the highly successful 7 season mid-season replacement run. they needed to bring on new writers and directors to pump out new episodes FAST, and these writers lacked the finesse of frost and lynch, plus they were scrambling for new ideas after many season 1 questions were answered. what they did to solve this was to pull situations from out of thin air rather than building them off of previous answers and building mysteries organically. and so, we get ben horne thinking he's a civil war general. twin peaks failed because of sloppy writing, not because it answered questions. if lost keeps doing what it's been doing, it's bound to piss off many a fan.


congratulations if you read this whole post. rereading it i actually feel it should be longer and more fleshed out b/c i gloss over a lot of points that i think could be tied up better, but nobody wants to read that much anyway so...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on April 17, 2009, 03:10:07 AM
how they end it is the only way we'll ever find out if this was truly a great show or not.

they've set us up for it being great, and they've kept me entertained since, so i'm standing by them with faith that they'll end it right.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 17, 2009, 10:08:23 AM
i don't disagree that the writing is to blame for a lot of this.  but on the whole i still think that all my favorite episodes are the ones that jump forward.  season 3 finale, season 1 finale, every finale.  the premieres are always disappointing because a dude in the hatch is not as cool as "whats in the hatch?"  its like the Prestige when christian bale shows rebecca hall how he catches the bullet and she thinks much less of the trick.  its like THAT.  i'm not saying LOST shouldn't resolve its mysteries, i just think that the more they solve them, the less interesting it becomes.  i hope they're saving the big ones for the final episodes because we don't need to see what happens afterwards.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 17, 2009, 10:26:39 AM
PEOPLE WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR COMPOSURE!!!!!

Everytime there is a strange episode like that one we go crazy and start trying to justify why we continue to watch this. Yeah this has gotten way too crazy. I still love it. I was watching it last night and my brother was in the room with his computer. He's never watched the show before so he was just listening in the background and he kept asking me stupid questions like "wtf they have cars in that island? where do they get fuel?", "why can he talk with dead people?", "1977???"... and I realized that it would be impossible to explain anything to someone new at this point. Before, up until the end of Season 3 or even Season 4, you could easily sum up what the show was about. Now its just complete insanity.

Last nights episode did not do much for me because of some of the reasons mod explained, but I guess it also makes us upset that we know the show is closer to the end than the beginning. I still think they will manage to surprise us and give us plenty of "WTF moments" in the next 25 episodes, but it is definitely heading towards the end in every aspect.

Hurley was the best part of last nights episode. The whole Kate/Roger pissed me off, including the conversation with Jack/Roger. Miles is just not an interesting character for me, but he is alright. Him being the son of Chang we all saw coming since the season opener. It was great to see Faraday back. Two fucking weeks? Damnit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 17, 2009, 10:44:39 AM
i'm just reserving judgement. i was never so down on the show after what was easily the shittiest moment ever last week - the smoke monster judging ben. when i read the article above that explained the episode, it sounded way cooler than it actually was. and i think thats the story of the season. conceptually its pretty brave and exciting, but the writing and production have been way below par. lindelof/cuse penned episodes use to mean guaranteed quality, but this season thats not the case.

but its like this every lost season. during season 3, there were points where i thought the show was gone and never coming back, but now i think season 3 is my favorite season. it certainly contains some of my favorite episodes (the brig, the finale). you just have to get through the shitty moments in order to get some of the best moments on television. and there have been some this season. i thought sayid shooting lil' ben was one of the them. last night's was a solid episode, and i think its heading toward a pretty cool finale.

i never got into star wars. this is my star wars. and my hopes are high.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 17, 2009, 06:22:17 PM
Vintage Dharma Initiative magazine ads (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotmeteor/sets/72157615214095434/detail/).  These are seriously amazing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on April 20, 2009, 08:14:26 AM
The writing has been way weak this season. There have been some good episodes, and it will all hang together a lot better rewatching in big chunks on DVD. But there have been so many wasted opportunities (Jeremy Bentham) and crappy scenes (WOW - reveal - it's little Ben... WOW - reveal - it's little Sayid... WOW - reveal - it's little Miles... etc) A big part of the blame is how the writers put the script together. Have you ever read one. They're full of those kinda lame reveal twists. Just cos you put "HOLY FUCK - it's JACK!" in the screenplay may make it jump of the page, but on screen it doesn't work as well. It's basically that they're trying to make something a huge moment without putting any work in to make it so.

The middle of this season has been the equivalent of vamping to cover the gap between BIG SEASON OPENER and BIG SEASON FINALE. Worse than the half a season where we were stuck with Jack, Kate and Sawyer in the cages. Finally, though, it seems things are starting to crank back up to get us towards the finale.

I can't explain it all yet (can anyone) but it seems to me we're going to be meeting this new group "What lies in the shadow of the statute" who are actually the island's original inhabitants - the natives - who were exiled somehow after Whitmore and co./The Hostiles/Others took over the jungle. I'm thinking Richard is one of those, and that the others we've met so far - Ilana, the guys who kidnapped Miles - are similarly ageless and that "what lies in the shadow of the statue" might actually be eternal life or some such thing. Anyway, it finally seems we're finally going to find out about the four-toes statue (maybe Richard and those all only have four toes - I mean, have you ever seen him wear sandals?). Finally. I'd still like to see someone take a trip to prehistoric times and encounter the natives back when. But that's what it's all building towards: a new group who can reveal the real truth about the island, and that will be what makes up the final season, so hopefully a lot more questions and answers, rather than just an extended filling-the-gaps exercise like this season's treading water has been.

Oh, and I almost forgot:
[Obligatory plea to the heavens that we find out something about Rose and Bernard yada yada yada...]
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 21, 2009, 05:26:04 PM
it seems richard is the only hostile that doesn't seem to age. i'm thinking the "shadow of the statue" people had some sort of civil war that richard was on the winning end of.... which would explain the statue being destroyed and the statue people being "exiled".

this show used to be better at revealing mysteries, but perhaps as viewers we're just getting better at catching onto how the show works.  the fact that many of these mysteries were held back for so long (what really happened with rousseau, the reasons behind ben and widmore falling out) makes them feel anticlimactic when we finally get the answers.  it's not so much that the answers are tossed out in an obligatory manner, but that the manner in which they're resolved means they were likely never all that important in the grand scheme of things.  i think the writers spent so much of the first few seasons introducing mysteries (do you think we'll ever see henry gale again?) that they never realized they would be stuck with answering all these questions in such a short amount of time.... and at the same time fit in the larger story they always meant to tell. this probably explains why it's so easy for them to kill off characters, because it won't affect their endgame.

rose and bernard have become the elephant in the room. i'm really hoping the show delivers something interesting as far as that's concerned. i think they realized the only way to make rose and bernard interesting was to have them disappear (like in season 3)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 21, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 16, 2009, 12:05:16 AM
It's about time Faraday's back.  But another two week wait???  Fuck that.

Quote from: kal on April 17, 2009, 10:26:39 AM
It was great to see Faraday back. Two fucking weeks? Damnit.

yeah, great to have him back.

so I checked the abc schedule and there's an episode of lost airing tomorrow, but..it's a special of the story of the oceanic six or something, wtf, otoh, the finale will be a two hour episode if imdb is right.


Quote from: bonanzataz on April 17, 2009, 12:03:44 AM
congratulations if you read this whole post.

i did and agree with pretty much everything you say including twin peaks.  :yabbse-thumbup:

lost isn't by no means heading down, like kal said we've seen this before and so far the final 3 or 4 episodes are amazing, and this season has had at least three episodes that touch greatness and many others that are pretty good, the ben meeting the monster was poorly executed and maybe it showed too much but it was an interesting episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 27, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
Lost's 'Desmond' is sued by former ABC employee

Lost star Henry Ian Cusick is being sued by a former ABC employee who alleges sexual battery and harassment against the actor, Entertainment Weekly reported.

According to the suit, filed last week in Los Angeles court, Cusick allegedly squeezed and placed his face on the plaintiff's breasts, kissed her on the mouth and caressed the back of her body while making moaning sounds.

The plaintiff claims the incident occurred on the set of the hit series on or about Oct. 16, 2007, and that she was fired 12 days later, in retaliation for reporting Cusick's behavior.

ABC spokespersons, the plaintiff's attorney, and employees of Grass Skirt Productions didn't comment on the suit to EW.com.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 27, 2009, 05:09:59 PM
 :lol:

All that time traveling really fucked him up good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 28, 2009, 07:08:50 AM
I'm just imagining Desmond's face on someone's chest going :crazyeyes:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 28, 2009, 05:46:53 PM
why would they wait 12 days?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
'Lost' 100th Episode
By Todd Longwell, Hollywood Reporter
 
It was four and a half years ago that Oceanic Flight 815 went off course over the South Pacific and came crashing down on a seemingly deserted beach.

Forty-eight people (and a dog) stumbled from the smoking wreckage to discover an otherworldly tropical isle inhabited by polar bears, smoke monsters and a mysterious band of human natives known as the "Others." The ever-evolving mystery made ABC's "Lost" the water cooler show of the 2004-05 television season, helped revive the flagging fortunes of its parent network, and turned its cast -- all of whom were virtual unknowns, save for Matthew Fox (previously star of Fox's "Party of Five") and Dominic Monaghan (Merry in "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy) -- into internationally recognizable figures.

One-hundred episodes in, the survivors still haven't figured out exactly where they are and why, but executive producer Carlton Cuse has a theory as to how they got there, creatively speaking.

"The fact that no one believed 'Lost' was going to be successful in the beginning was enormously liberating," Cuse says. "So we set out to make 12 episodes of what we thought was the coolest TV show we could come up with and in so doing we violated a lot of the traditional rules of television narrative. We had characters who were murderers and had done very bad things. We had incredibly complex serialized storytelling. We had lots of intentional ambiguity, leaving the audience lots of room for interpretation and those things that sort of violated the rules of television were the very things that the audience ended up responding to."
   
But nothing lasts forever. In May 2007, it was announced that "Lost" would wrap in May 2010 at the end of Season 6. The reason was not the ratings, which have declined over the years as show has shifted time slots five times and taken long midseason hiatuses like the three-week break between Episodes 6 and 7 in Season 3.

It wasn't the high price tag of $4 million per episode. The decision was purely creative.

"We're fairly certain that, had we not been given an end date, the show might have been canceled by now, because we would've had to continue spinning our wheels and stalling," executive producer/ co-creator Damon Lindelof says. "It's a finite idea. Once Carlton and I had gotten through the first 30 or 40 hours of it, it became very clear to us that we were ready to take the show out of question/mystery mode and into resolution mode. And we couldn't do that until we knew when the show was going to end."

The show's beginnings can be traced to January 2004, when then-ABC president Lloyd Braun commissioned a script from Spelling Television that he envisioned as a narrative take on the unscripted hit "Survivor." Jeffrey Lieber wrote the initial drafts of the pilot, titled "Nowhere." Braun felt it wasn't working, so he brought in "Alias" creator J.J. Abrams, who had a preexisting deal with Touchstone Television (now ABC Studios), and teamed him with Lindelof, a writer-producer on ABC's "Crossing Jordan."

Abrams and Lindelof met on a Monday. By Friday, they had written a 20-page outline, adding a supernatural angle. On Saturday, the pilot got a greenlight. Having started late in the 2004 season's development, they had less than 12 weeks to write the pilot and prep it for production. It would have been a daunting task under any circumstances, but this script had 14 major speaking parts, a downed jet and a remote South Pacific island setting. Abrams and Lindelof compounded the logistical challenges by revising the characters and story lines during the casting process, leaving the complex puzzle of its mystery with more than a few rough, unfinished pieces.

"We didn't know that it was going to be successful, and when the ratings started coming out and it was doing well, we realized, 'Oh, my God, we're going to have to keep doing this,' " says Cuse, who stepped forward to run the show with Lindelof after Abrams departed to concentrate on other projects. "That's really when we really started working out the mythology."

From the beginning, the mysterious possibilities of "Lost" were a boon to ABC's marketing department, co-headed by executive vps Michael Benson and Marla Provencio.
   
"The pilot had a theatrical feel to it, so we felt we had to go out with it in a very big way," Provencio says. "But we also wanted to go more underground and do things that would intrigue the audience and make them want more."

The network started the buzz building by world-premiering the show's two-hour pilot at Comic-Con International in San Diego on July 24, 2004. Over the Labor Day weekend preceding the show's TV debut, bottles containing cryptic messages were scattered across several beaches on the East and West Coasts. Although cleanup crews were prescheduled to remove any undiscovered bottles, the network still managed to get tagged with several littering tickets. It also aired "pirate radio" spots on stations nationwide.

"All of a sudden it would sound like people were cutting into the radio saying, 'Help! We're survivors of Oceanic Flight 815,' then it would crackle out," Benson says. "We actually got in a little trouble over that, too, because people thought it was really happening."

In the years since, the "Lost" team has made regular appearances at Comic-Con, including a panel discussion featuring Lindelof and Cuse last year that attracted about 6,000 fans. The network has also commissioned spinoff novels, an official "Lost" magazine, an alternative reality game ("The Lost Experience") and various tie-in Web sites, including the Emmy-nominated Find815.com, as well as a line of action figures.

The ABC marketing department has further taken on the difficult task of making the show's complex mythology more comprehensible to first-time or casual viewers with weekly four-minute video recaps posted on ABC.com that use action figures and character cut-outs fashioned from screen caps to re-enact key scenes from the latest episode.

"It's a challenging show," admits ABC president of entertainment Stephen McPherson, who greenlit "Lost" as a series after taking over for Braun in April 2004. "It's not just a cookie-cutter procedural with a new case each week. There's a real depth to it. But I also know people who watch only occasionally and really enjoy it when they do."

There's no question that the show's labyrinthine plot twists have been too much for some. Viewership has declined from an average of 15.69 million people a week in Season 1 to 11.37 million a week at the beginning of this season, according to Nielsen. But Cuse believes that has as much to do with changing viewing habits of the show's tech-savvy fans as anything else.

"People are still watching our show, they're just watching it in different ways," he says. "They're DVR-ing it, they're watching it on ABC.com, they're looking at it on DVDs. And when you sort of aggregate all the ancillary platforms on which 'Lost' is available," including cell phones and other PDAs, "and also weekend syndication, in fact the Nielsen number is only a fractional part of the audience now."

The complexity that makes it daunting for casual viewers is precisely what makes it so appealing to its hardcore fans, dubbed Losties or Lostaways, who follow the show with the intensity of Trekkers. They have a strong presence on the Web via such sites as TheTailSection.com and LostHatch.com, and strong opinions about where the plot should go. Cuse says he's aware of the chatter, but he does his best to ignore it.
   
"The problem is if someone says something that's critical of the show, it can kind of stick in my brain the wrong way and infect my creative process," Cuse says. "There's a guy named Greg Nations who's our script coordinator and keeps sort of records and history of the show. He follows all the boards and sort of gives us a Reader's Digest exegesis of what the fan sites say the day after the show airs, and that's a lot more palatable. He's very well-equipped to say, 'Here's a question that's percolating up to the surface a lot. You guys should take a look at this or think about this.' That indirectness is important for us maintaining the sanctity of our own creative process."

For Lindelof, the risks of responding to fan chatter are exemplified by Nikki and Paulo, a pair of characters introduced in Season 3 played by Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro, respectively.

"The boards were all atwitter with, 'What about these other people on the show, these background people who are walking around?' " Lindelof says. "We had introduced one of them, Dr. Arzt (Daniel Roebuck), in the finale of Season 1 just as a gag to blow the guy up, but the question never went away. So we thought, clearly, there is a desire for us to give these people names and stories, and we tried it and it was a disaster."

Before the season was out, Nikki and Paulo were dead. They're not the only characters that have been sacrificed to feed the drama. During the past five seasons, several of the core group of original survivors have been killed off, including Michael (Harold Perrineau) and Charlie (Monaghan).
   
"That has been a specter hanging over all of us since Season 1," says Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin, a Korean businessman stranded along with his wife Sun (Yunjin Kim). "It's always difficult to lose a cast member, because we all uprooted ourselves and in many cases moved our families to Oahu," the Hawaiian island where the show is shot. "It's not like shooting a show in L.A. When one of us leaves, they leave the island, and it's not as if we can still have dinner with them even if we're not working on the same job."

Kim says he has given up speculating about the fate of his character or the answers to show's larger mysteries.

"Every time I thought I had a conclusion, the writers proved much more clever than I," Kim says. "Now I just look at it as a great amusement park ride and enjoy the thrill of it."

Lindelof says that when the show itself goes to the great hereafter next May, he and Cuse will be taking a ride out of town.

"We're taking a page out of the David Chase playbook," Lindelof says. "Instead of clarifying things, we want to let it simmer and percolate. So we're searching out some undisclosed locations, some of them on the planet Earth, others might involve getting on a Russian spacecraft."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 30, 2009, 01:12:25 AM
Quite a good one....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 30, 2009, 01:14:44 AM
So this was an interesting episode, but to be honest I was expecting something much different and exciting considering it was the 100th episode. I was expecting something along the lines of last seasons "The shape of things to come".

Anyhow, lots of answers here. It was great to have Faraday back and get his full story, although most of it we know about and the rest was very predictable. It still opens up many questions about why did his life went the way it did. I mean, it was obviously planned and calculated by both Widmore and Eloise, but why? What are they getting out of it? I'm not sure I get how they are benefiting with all the manipulating they did and especially in the situation they are now.

Secondly, its interesting to see what motivated these things. Daniel pretty much did all this to save Charlotte. The writing is especially bad when he is explaining to Jack that "this is the president and that they can die", that in Lost terms means he will die, and it bothers me because they have become THAT predictable. Same with the opening sequence making the Eloise/Daniel/Mother/Son obvious, and making it obvious at the end when Widmore says "he is my son too", etc. Unnecessary.

The whole Radzinsky action sequence was very strange too and it seemed out of character. They just happened to show up there and start shooting at Faraday. He saw the gun, but still its no reason for him to become a fucking commando and kill everyone.

A good thing: FRECKLES. Juliet's face and her immediate reaction to give Kate the code to make sure she would go away was excellent. Hurleys comments during the whole meeting and Miles were also good in their small roles during the episode.

Now, another huge problem with the famous 100th episode. How can you have such an important milestone and not have Locke and Ben be part of it? Come on. Either don't even make a big deal about the 100th episode, or do it right.

So overall I like that some of the questions were answered, but at this point I'm not even happy with the answers. It was nowhere near the kind of episode I was expecting, and I hope they manage to finish the season on a strong note because the last few weeks have been average at best.

I guess there was even more going on, but you all get my point. Also, the fricking Star Trek spaceship during the openining logo bothered me, and I found out what the fuck where those "What did you see?" clips:  http://bit.ly/oJUY2 (http://bit.ly/oJUY2)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 30, 2009, 01:30:51 AM
Quote from: kal on April 30, 2009, 01:14:44 AMThe writing is especially bad when he is explaining to Jack that "this is the president and that they can die"

That is bad writing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on April 30, 2009, 01:40:35 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on April 30, 2009, 01:30:51 AM
Quote from: kal on April 30, 2009, 01:14:44 AMThe writing is especially bad when he is explaining to Jack that "this is the president and that they can die"

That is bad writing.
Hear hear
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 30, 2009, 01:51:25 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin on April 30, 2009, 01:30:51 AM
Quote from: kal on April 30, 2009, 01:14:44 AMThe writing is especially bad when he is explaining to Jack that "this is the president and that they can die"

That is bad writing.

LOL
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on April 30, 2009, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: kal on April 30, 2009, 01:14:44 AMAlso, the fricking Star Trek spaceship during the openining logo bothered me, and I found out what the fuck where those "What did you see?" clips:  http://bit.ly/oJUY2 (http://bit.ly/oJUY2)

God that was just atrocious. I can stomach product placement to a degree, but did they really have to manipulate the title sequence in order to segue into that admittedly cool Star Trek clip?  On LOST of all shows? I know they did it b/c of Abrams and all but that doesn't make it right.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 30, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
Let's recap on Faraday's theory...

He says : we are the variables, we have freewill and can change things. I will go there and do that and change the past.

But in her mother's past, he actually goes there and gets shot.

He is not living his present, he is living the past. In this case, his mother's past. Thus his theory is 100% wrong. He has NO freewill. Just as I always thought, anyone going back in time is merely reliving the memories of people who are there so there is no freewill. Before she sent Daniel to the island, his mother KNEW she was going to shoot him. She remembered doing it. So even before he went, it was ''written'' that he was going to get shot by his mother exactly here and there.

This is not like Ben remembering Sayid when he's old (that's a different thing which makes sense with Faraday's theory): if Faraday is indeed living his present in 1977, then her mother will have memories of what he did yes but not BEFORE he goes there. Do you guys follow this ? Am I wrong ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 30, 2009, 10:28:03 AM
Quote from: ©brad on April 30, 2009, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: kal on April 30, 2009, 01:14:44 AMAlso, the fricking Star Trek spaceship during the openining logo bothered me, and I found out what the fuck where those "What did you see?" clips:  http://bit.ly/oJUY2 (http://bit.ly/oJUY2)

God that was just atrocious. I can stomach product placement to a degree, but did they really have to manipulate the title sequence in order to segue into that admittedly cool Star Trek clip?  On LOST of all shows? I know they did it b/c of Abrams and all but that doesn't make it right.

yeah i was like "what is this WHAT IS THIS!" but then it was Star Trek.  but then they won cause i watched it anyway,  but then i thought the clip sucked and am now less excited.

in the world of LOST they can't alter the future which i'm assuming we are going to find out when they can't make the hatch go off now preventing them from being on the island in the future.  if this happens they enter lame HEROES territory and LOST is better than that.  and they know it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 30, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
yeah, you obviously cannot change what has already happened, it'd just be way too silly. they need to allow the characters to think that they can, otherwise the characters would just be really lazy, and let "whatever happened," happen. because like, whatever, right?

so my guess is that in trying to prevent this vague notion of whatever is about to happen, they will in fact be the cause of it. though i'm not sure that i care that much either way. whose father will be someone else's father next week?  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 30, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
hmm! yeah.. i feel like i'm beginning to see the end of the series. or just this season. either they'll end up causing everything that happened to them or the show will end with none of it ever happening darko style. OR there'll come a point where someone has to do something to set the ball in motion to prevent everything from happening and they'll give a heartfelt speech about how they're glad it happened, etc.

i'm surprised faraday didn't bring in the multiverse theory of time travel, where you're just altering your plane of existence because there are in fact infinite universes out there where every possible choice has been made. that's an acceptable, fairly well-known physics idea. this whole "WE'RE the variables" talk was lame. for the most part i really liked this episode though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 30, 2009, 05:59:19 PM
whoa.. super interesting article about the writing 'style' used in LOST scripts

http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/002478.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 30, 2009, 07:24:45 PM
Quote from: picolas on April 30, 2009, 01:42:46 PMthere'll come a point where someone has to do something to set the ball in motion to prevent everything from happening and they'll give a heartfelt speech about how they're glad it happened, etc.

i can't wait for this to happen: "yea, i know everyone else on the plane ended up dead, but my life is mildly better so let's leave it the way it is"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 30, 2009, 08:14:23 PM
yeah but it'll be sooooooo heartfelt.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on April 30, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
nah, it's gonna be more like kate: "nah, not goin' to jail." blows up the submarine: the sequel
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 01, 2009, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: picolas on April 30, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
hmm! yeah.. i feel like i'm beginning to see the end of the series. or just this season. either they'll end up causing everything that happened to them or the show will end with none of it ever happening darko style. OR there'll come a point where someone has to do something to set the ball in motion to prevent everything from happening and they'll give a heartfelt speech about how they're glad it happened, etc.

i'm surprised faraday didn't bring in the multiverse theory of time travel, where you're just altering your plane of existence because there are in fact infinite universes out there where every possible choice has been made. that's an acceptable, fairly well-known physics idea. this whole "WE'RE the variables" talk was lame. for the most part i really liked this episode though.

Yeah, I thought the "we are the variables" line was a bit lame as well. Other than that, I thought the episode was awesome. Daniel's such an amazing, tragic character. Like JG said, the important thing is that the characters think they can somehow change things. I'm sure it'll be fucked up when they have to decide to let things play out.

I feel like the next season is going to be all about the "What lies in the shadow of the statue" cult people. There's a big gap missing between where the Losties are in the past and in the present, like there's almost no obvious way to reconcile it.

Also, new DVD artwork: (https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvshowsondvd.net%2Fgraphics%2Fnews3%2FLost_S5_DVD_early.jpg&hash=68689f33cb0ec16fcfca7c1ab1138289ed673732)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 01, 2009, 01:02:53 PM
thats hideous.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 03, 2009, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: modage on May 01, 2009, 01:02:53 PM
thats hideous.

god yes, it's quite pathetic. Is it official ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 03, 2009, 10:29:08 AM
is that really the artwork? it looks like a bad scan. no way it's that washed out.

also, not a big fan of "the journey back"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 03, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Who gives a shit about the fucking cover? Jesus Christ. Do people actually care? Fuck! Sorry, I'm pissed off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2009, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on May 03, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Who gives a shit about the fucking cover? Jesus Christ. Do people actually care? Fuck! Sorry, I'm pissed off.

My thoughts exactly.

It's not like a movie where people can see the cover and buy it. If you're buying Season 5 of Lost the cover will not be a factor.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 03, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on May 03, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Who gives a shit about the fucking cover? Jesus Christ. Do people actually care?

don't judge me while i'm judging stuff
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 03, 2009, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on May 03, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Who gives a shit about the fucking cover? Jesus Christ. Do people actually care? Fuck! Sorry, I'm pissed off.

yeah I care because I've already seen the series and also I can download a torrent of it. I buy it for the sake of putting it on a shelf. So it better look good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 06, 2009, 08:37:01 PM
yeah so hum...plot holes are starting to fucking abound.

In moment Z, when John Locke 'A' sees John Locke 'B', this possibility means that 'B' will follow the pattern that leads him to moment Z seeing himself (C?, whatever) on the island. Therefore there would be an infinity of John Lockes on the island.

Right ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 06, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
no. in moment z, there is only john locke A, who is seeing, and guiding, an earlier john locke A. then the earlier john locke A disappears from moment Z, on his destiny to fulfill his quest, which includes dying, being reborn, and guiding an earlier version of himself in moment Z. 

Right ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 06, 2009, 08:53:11 PM
humm yeah this makes sense...kinda I guess. I don't know anything anymore

fuck time travel, it's unmanageable.

ps : we should all watch the finale together  :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 06, 2009, 09:04:02 PM
i would like that. this was my favorite episode in some time, huge hopes for the finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 06, 2009, 09:18:50 PM
THAT was an episode of LOST bitches. Locke is so determined and crazy and awesome now, and Ben being scared of him is even awesomer. And Sayid coming back! And Jack actually having something to do! I love episodes that include everyone.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 07, 2009, 03:26:12 AM
Quote from: ©brad on May 06, 2009, 09:18:50 PM
I love episodes that include everyone.

YES!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 07, 2009, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: JG on May 06, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
no. in moment z, there is only john locke A, who is seeing, and guiding, an earlier john locke A. then the earlier john locke A disappears from moment Z, on his destiny to fulfill his quest, which includes dying, being reborn, and guiding an earlier version of himself in moment Z. 

Right ?

Actually, it's really funny that I just watched Timecrimes because that film, like this moment you're talking about, starts where an effect happens before a cause. It would be like dividing something by zero. If Locke A is experiencing this for the first time, then it's impossible for Alpert to have been informed by Locke. Locke B is still Locke A and just because we're narratively forward doesn't mean there are two of them. Time travel premises rely on this.

It was like when my friend explained (and I had never ever even thought about this) that in Back to the Future Part II, if Marty went into the future, it would be a future where people wonder where Marty's been for 30 years. That's the best explanation I have for the beginning of the paradox.

In general, the writing assumes that the future and the past can lie on top of each other. I guess more simply it's like a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" except the chicken hatched from the egg goes back in time to tell the egg to hatch. Sort of.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 07, 2009, 09:03:50 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 07, 2009, 08:33:51 AM
It was like when my friend explained (and I had never ever even thought about this) that in Back to the Future Part II, if Marty went into the future, it would be a future where people wonder where Marty's been for 30 years. That's the best explanation I have for the beginning of the paradox.

I think that the idea of travelling in the past is really a headache in terms of possible plot holes etc. but travelling in the future is not a headache at all : it is true that you disappear from ''your present'' (why wouldn't you) and you cannot alter the future in any way that a normal person couldn't (you are not advantaged).

Travelling in the future is just like getting frozen and waking up X years later so yeah it's not as fucked up as the past.

I think time travel is completely unmanageabable and it's really making me disinterested from the series. Before that it was mysterious and mystical, it even seemed like it was gonna be some ''semi-realistic'' quantic/astronomic/religious/whatever explanations. Now it's just a fucking headache and a series of situtions designed to try to explain the way time travel works in that fake universe.

Also electro magnetism = time travel ? wtf
Also if you can't make a CGI of a submarine that doesn't look like it was done in 2001 then just don't do one, NOT a necessity.


I still like the show but it pisses me off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 07, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
yea that CGi submarine was pretty awful, almost as bad as the smoke monster. why attempt such a flashy shot of the sub? it looked like it was pulled from a videogame. aside from that i thought this was a pretty great episode.

loved Cheng's confrontation with Hurley. "you're 46?"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 07, 2009, 11:05:35 AM
So much fun, this episode was.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 07, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 07, 2009, 08:33:51 AMIt was like when my friend explained (and I had never ever even thought about this) that in Back to the Future Part II, if Marty went into the future, it would be a future where people wonder where Marty's been for 30 years.
NOOO. your friend doesn't fully understand time travel. just because he travels to the future doesn't mean the whole past is written and he doesn't exist in it. the only way people would wonder where he was for the last 30 years is if he never went back after his visit to the future. he does, so that's in no way a paradox.

pas rap, you're also not fully getting it. there are no infinite locke's because there's only one locke. his future self is guiding his past self, yes. and his past self will become his future self. that doesn't mean anyone's going to multiply. that's exactly the way it always was. there's only one.

it's amazing seeing ben make that face at the end of the episode. for the first time since we've known him he doesn't have a clue what's going to happen.. i think jacob has to be someone from the future.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 07, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
Pic's got the hang of it.  Imagine that time is a ruler and Locke's life is a string traveling along it.  Whenever he jumps through time, it's like the string loops around back to an earlier point on the ruler, alongside the string that was already at that point.  The string can loop however many times he travels through a particular point on the timeline, which could conceivably result in many instances of Locke (all from different sections of the string) overlapping in the same place at the same time, but there's still only ever one string total.

Here's what's fucking with my mind right now: the compass.  Richard gave it to Locke by the Nigerian plane, then Locke gave it to Richard when he traveled back to 1954, then when he comes back to the island, he has Richard give it to the previous instance of Locke (which is how Locke gets it in the first place).  The compass seems to exist in a closed loop; how did it exist outside of the repeating circle of Locke and Richard trading it back and forth?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 07, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
I disagree with you Picolas about Gamblour's friend not getting it. If I travel through time right now thirty years in the future, why would a double of me continue to live ''my life'' ? If I go in the future, I'm gone from ''my present''. I disagree that I create a double that continues living in my present.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 07, 2009, 09:19:51 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 07, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
I disagree with you Picolas about Gamblour's friend not getting it. If I travel through time right now thirty years in the future, why would a double of me continue to live ''my life'' ? If I go in the future, I'm gone from ''my present''. I disagree that I create a double that continues living in my present.
there is no double that continues to live your life! i said nothing of the sort! re-read the post, sir! as long as you return to the present after you visit the future, no one in the future will have any reason to wonder where you've been because you were in their past because you went back to it after you visited the future. no double is created! time stays the same! if marty lived in the future forever, THEN people would've wondered where he'd been because he never returned to live the rest of the past. but as it stands he did return and so there is no paradox.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 07, 2009, 09:50:48 PM
then according to your theory : the future already considers that I will going back in ''my present'' so I have never gone missing right?

so then let's say I go 30 years in the future and DIE IN the future, then I will have been missing since 30 years because I've never been back in the past. But if I go in the future and I've never been missing in ''my present'', it means I CANNOT die in the future. Is this clear, do I make sense ??? that's why I disagree with your theory of travelling in the future

edit: what I was saying in my first post is that in time travelling in the future there is no paradox since it's pretty much like travelling in Japan or whatever, you are gone from ''your present'' from the moment you go until the moment you return in ''your present''. But according to the ''people of the future'' you have not ''returned to your present'' yet so they haven't seen you in a while ... you see ??? like there is only one reality so if they remember seeing me like yesterday being 54 years old it means that when I would travel in the future there would be a 54 yo version of MEANING A DOUBLE ... you see ? It's so fucking hard to wrap my mind around this I don't even know if I make sense (I'm french also so english is a barrier)

anyway I want to say that even though you say your theory creates no double, I think it does. and therefore it's impossible (when is the double created etc)

Whereas time travelling in the past is completely unmanageable in my mind

(((drunk ps: please reply because Ive broken my brain writing this lol)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 07, 2009, 10:20:11 PM
NOOOOO

okay, listen here: time is time is time. it doesn't change. it's what it was, is and always will be. there are no alternate versions. there is only one. if you travel to the future or the past, whatever you do will be whatever always happened there.

marty travels to the future. people who knew him don't wonder where he's been for the past 30 years because he was in those past 30 years AFTER he'd been to the future. he's not changing the past, he just experienced it differently from everyone living time in the right order. for people living CHRONOLOGICALLY his trip to the future then back seemed instantaneous because he's TRAVELING in TIME. this is what time travel is.

you're assuming stuff changes when you go to the future or the past. NOT SO. it was always like that. i don't know how to explain this more clearly... say you go back in time and shoot a guy. a newspaper article about the guy being shot isn't going to magically appear in your present. it will have ALWAYS been there.

there are other theories of time travel where you can genuinely affect things, but that involves parallel universes. so far lost isn't doing that. yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 07, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
Yes I understand that ! Please adress this :

you say : ''marty travels to the future. people who knew him don't wonder where he's been for the past 30 years because he was in those past 30 years AFTER he'd been to the future.''

I understand.

You say : ''if marty lived in the future forever, THEN people would've wondered where he'd been because he never returned to live the rest of the past.''

I understand.

Now adress this point I tried to make in the last post :

you go in the future and you have never been missing for 30 years like you say ok ''because he was in those past 30 years AFTER he'd been to the future.''

two paradox :

1)You have a double in that future (which to me is a paradox because I consider this impossible because his life would be affected by every breath you would take) also don't deny you have a double like before ( :yabbse-wink:)because if you have not been missing it means that there is a 50+ yo version of yourself existing in this future
2)try shooting yourself in the brain and you cannot die because this future assumes you will be going back to ''your present''. You don't even have to shoot yourself : You own two sentences are paradoxical (sp?)... the future doesn't know yet if you will or won't go back in the past. You say ''time is time is time'' but now that your are in the future, how can the future know if you will get hit by a bus ? the future is your new present until you go back in your ''own present''

please adress these two points so I can understand your theory more clearly, sorry for the mess and confusion  :(

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 07, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 07, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
1)You have a double in that future (which to me is a paradox because I consider this impossible because his life would be affected by every breath you would take) also don't deny you have a double like before ( :yabbse-wink:)because if you have not been missing it means that there is a 50+ yo version of yourself existing in this future
okay. there's possibly a 50+ year old version of you somewhere. that's not a paradox, though. that's just you living in two times at once.

Quote from: Pas Rap on May 07, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
2)try shooting yourself in the brain and you cannot die because this future assumes you will be going back to ''your present''. You don't even have to shoot yourself : You own two sentences are paradoxical (sp?)... the future doesn't know yet if you will or won't go back in the past. You say ''time is time is time'' but now that your are in the future, how can the future know if you will get hit by a bus ? the future is your new present until you go back in your ''own present''
you can totally die in the future or shoot yourself. that's fine. it's not a paradox. marty didn't.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 07, 2009, 10:57:57 PM
Hahah. Wow. I did not expect this.

Time travel in movies and tv relies (DEPENDS on) the assumption of a paradox...in that we see something happen before it could have happened.

I think what's happening here is a differing view on the behavior of time. The question is: are we traveling through time or traveling along time? Through, I think, implies that time is a straight line, that something cannot exist without it happening first. Marty going to a Marty-less future is an example. This is a universe in which paradoxes are possible, because events in the past could be changed. Marty can go back, hook up his parents, and he gets the 80s version of happiness: a new truck and a nice house.

Traveling along time assumes that events, past and present, are written. Marty goes to the future and his older 'other' self is there. (BUT THINK ABOUT THIS: this doesn't make any sense because if you, right now, were visited by a younger version of yourself, you would be like, "Wtf? I didn't do that as a youngster" It would be a multiverse scenario) A corollary of this, I think, would be: past events cannot be changed! If Locke saw Richard Alpert, Locke could not only NOT change events, but he must ALSO play into them! This is the sort of timeline used in Timecrimes. The idea of both assuming events and entering into them with prior knowledge (thus enacting to create the events) and also mishaps and chance that also help create the events (a larger indicator of fatalism).

RIGHT NOW, Lost has assumed the second version. Locke has just manipulated events into being exactly what they were. He has set things to be the way they were for him with the leg wound AND even back when he told Richard to visit him as a baby.

I predict, given these things (plus it would really suck if they could change things), that anything that happens with the bomb or energy will just play into what has already happened. I also predict that Jack will be Jacob and meet his ghost dad at some point in the finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 07, 2009, 11:03:30 PM
i totally forgot how stuff actually changes in back to the future. i'm embarrassed. back to the future is the reason why people have all these time travel misconceptions!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 07, 2009, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: polkablues on May 07, 2009, 08:38:27 PM

Here's what's fucking with my mind right now: the compass.  Richard gave it to Locke by the Nigerian plane, then Locke gave it to Richard when he traveled back to 1954, then when he comes back to the island, he has Richard give it to the previous instance of Locke (which is how Locke gets it in the first place).  The compass seems to exist in a closed loop; how did it exist outside of the repeating circle of Locke and Richard trading it back and forth?

THANK YOU! wouldn't the compass just keep getting older and older as it passed through time on a loop? it's stuck, so doesn't that mean it would deteriorate eventually? unless richard replaced it at some point in those 53 years. if not, that means the compass never had a maker! :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 08, 2009, 07:09:53 AM
Quote from: picolas on May 07, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 07, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
2)try shooting yourself in the brain and you cannot die because this future assumes you will be going back to ''your present''. You don't even have to shoot yourself : You own two sentences are paradoxical (sp?)... the future doesn't know yet if you will or won't go back in the past. You say ''time is time is time'' but now that your are in the future, how can the future know if you will get hit by a bus ? the future is your new present until you go back in your ''own present''
you can totally die in the future or shoot yourself. that's fine. it's not a paradox. marty didn't.

Last intervention about this lol

What I meant was that you say that I haven't been missing for 30 years because I will eventually go back to my present at the same time I left (Marty style). This assumption means that there is no possibility for me to NOT go back in my present because according to your theory the future already knows I'll go back (proven by me never have been missing and exisiting in the future). so you wouldn't be able to die in the furure according to your theory.

ANYWAY I think Gamblour nailed it with the his distinction of through and along. It's totally that, the two way of travel are completely different. I happen to think that the ''through'' way is much easier in terms pf plot holes management because the past becomes ''the real present'' and you are not re-enacting a theater play like in the ''along'' version.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 08, 2009, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 08, 2009, 07:09:53 AM
ANYWAY I think Gamblour nailed it with the his distinction of through and along. It's totally that, the two way of travel are completely different. I happen to think that the ''through'' way is much easier in terms pf plot holes management because the past becomes ''the real present'' and you are not re-enacting a theater play like in the ''along'' version.

Yes, and Lost seems to be going to the "along" route. Things that have happened so far have been fatalistic. I remember once having a conversation with someone about, I think, the film Primer and he 'hated' it because it mixed deterministic and fatalistic time travel.

I had no fucking idea what he was talking about until this conversation. If I wasn't so drunk when I wrote that, I would have called the types of travel deterministic and fatalistic. Deterministic obviously means you can determine what happens (e.g., BTTF). Fatalistic means you can't, that it is written (e.g., Timecrimes).

Lost is currently fatalistic, as Faraday explains, but Jack thinks it's deterministic because he wants to blow up the bomb. The fatalistic route doesn't mean they can't do whatever they want, it just means whatever they did resulted in where they are (hence the concept of course correction being introduced two season ago).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 08, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
I really lost myself with some of the timelines of Lost. I still enjoy it a lot, but I can't really say I fully understand what's going on. Just, like, if Richard saw them die in the past, wouldn't he remember those people in the future? I don't remember if in the present timeline Richard ever crossed paths with Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Hurley or Jin, but he knows who they are, since he's the one who gives Locke the file on Sawyer, to make him kill Locke's father on season 3. But then, when Sun asks Richard if he knows any of the people in the photo, he acts like he only knew them from the past and not from when they crashed on the island the first time. Is this confusing to anyone else?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 08, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on May 08, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
Is this confusing to anyone else?
Me...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 08, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
they haven't addressed it, but, yes, he would have at least been aware of their existence in 2004, even if he didn't come in close contact with them. there is no way around that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 08, 2009, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on May 08, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on May 08, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
Is this confusing to anyone else?
Me...
Definitely becoming a clusterfuck
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on May 08, 2009, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: ElPandaRoyal on May 08, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
if Richard saw them die in the past, wouldn't he remember those people in the future? I don't remember if in the present timeline Richard ever crossed paths with Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Hurley or Jin, but he knows who they are, since he's the one who gives Locke the file on Sawyer, to make him kill Locke's father on season 3. But then, when Sun asks Richard if he knows any of the people in the photo, he acts like he only knew them from the past and not from when they crashed on the island the first time. Is this confusing to anyone else?

doesn't she asks if he remembers them back then?? I mean from the 70's, I think Richard is aware of them but so far it looks like he has always been careful about what to do/say or not to. anyway, he's an amazing enigmatic character and I'd love if they do an all Richard episode next season.

as far as the time travel trouble, i dont find it that difficult to understand except what polka said about the compass, it seems it's on a time loop...


and that exchange between Hugo and Dr. Chang was hysterical. funniest lost moment (so far)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 08, 2009, 06:32:59 PM
hahah yes I burst out laughing too, Hugo is always great
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 08, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
That was one of the funniest bits of dialogue ever.

"So you fought in the Korean War?"
"There's... no... such thing?"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 08, 2009, 08:59:21 PM
That exchange was great also considering he wanted to be briefed when he arrived to the camp about information about that particular time only to be shot down by Sawyer that he was not going to be quizzed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 09, 2009, 11:22:47 PM
'Lost' co-creator Damon Lindelof explains The Numbers

For five seasons, they've haunted Hurley, they've haunted us:  4 8 15 16 23  and 42.

What do they mean? Do they mean anything? Are we wasting our time caring?

Damon Lindelof, the ABC series' co-creator, attended a Comics on Comics event at Meltdown Wednesday night and explained the numbers as well as some other interesting tidbits about the future of "Lost."

E! Online attended the event and posted the Q&A, which you can find here. (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b122630_lost_redux_who_causes_incident.html)

As far as those menacing digits, this is what Lindelof said:

"The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe it itself out."

This information, in more convoluted form, was leaked out via the online games rather than explained on the show itself, Lindelof said, because "That would be the worst thing ever. We have to make the show for the hard-core fans who care about the numbers, but we also have to make it for my mom, who just wants Sawyer to take his shirt off."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 10, 2009, 01:36:38 AM
arghhh I hate this kinda stuff. Are we to dedicate our life to pursue explanations on every media possible
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 10, 2009, 09:05:34 PM
Hm that's weird. That seems like information that should end up on the show at some point.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 10, 2009, 09:11:49 PM
yea that seemed like a pretty big bomb to drop, to not put it on the show seems strange. all season i've been waiting for them to explain more about what Dharma is actually doing. it's interesting that Damon doesn't think it matters.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 10, 2009, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 10, 2009, 09:11:49 PMit's interesting that Damon doesn't think it matters.
yeah.. how would that be "the worst thing ever"?? it's a pretty cool backstory. i've never been interested in the meaning behind the numbers though, because i never thought there could be a satisfying explanation.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 12, 2009, 11:41:08 AM
"Ours is a show that specializes in big shock endings, but I think season five..." Michael Emerson tells E Online. "None of the other shock endings left me wondering how the show goes on. We have two kinds of huge shocks at the end of this one. Each one alone would be enough to keep an audience eating its own soul for the whole hiatus, but with two, I don't know what you can do with that."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 12, 2009, 01:02:57 PM
wow.. he's really good at talking about things without saying what they are. he'd make a good cast member on lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 13, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
!!!!!!!

Ok, I was sort of not too excited, but THAT just got me way excited for tonight!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 13, 2009, 03:23:03 PM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3345%2F3509982620_8fb658b8d7_b.jpg&hash=404066dc2a61e578c357d2a15e4074419a6b0423)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38153109@N02/3509982620/?loc=interstitialskip
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 13, 2009, 07:47:08 PM
Awesome, I'm going to try and blow this picture up and put it up on my wall.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 14, 2009, 01:59:31 AM
Mmmm nobody wants to go first...

I'm still not ready to say anything.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 14, 2009, 06:29:05 AM
loved it.  though some of the juilet moments were just way too on the nose dialogue wise (some things we can get without them having to be spoken by the characters!) it did what LOST does best and opened up the scope of the show bigger than you had previously imagined. 

now i'm thinking biblical.  jacob + other guy are god and the devil battling it out for the island. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 14, 2009, 07:12:48 AM
I'm guessing Christian was the same ''guy'' as Locke is. I'm also guessing the smoke monster to be against Jacob and possibly a trick of the ''Evil one''

Good cliffhanger. Lost should definitely be a 5-6-7 episode a season thing à la BBC. Watching the season premiere, episode 2 and maybe 3 and this finale is almost enough to fully understand what they're getting at (I mean understand what is there to understand). There was a lot of useless things going on this year.

The strongest season premiere ever(maybe) but def. the worst season ever of Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 14, 2009, 07:27:26 AM
I think seasons 2/3 are waaaay worse than this season! Season 5 really was great, it was just that around where the time-skipping stopped, things sort of became a little wobbly. This season had a lot to cram in and it wasn't really always the most thought out or well mapped. It's not my favorite season (definitely has to be season 4...I think).

The finale blew my mind less of a "whoa the island just disappeared, can't wait to see where it went!" than "wtf? what's going to happen to my show?" They're making characters make decisions (e.g. how the nuke goes off) that are more and more complicated and difficult to understand. I really don't know where they are headed with all of this. I hope it's not going to be Biblical, that would just be...a big waste of time.

And there were a couple of HUGE fucking groans from the room when Jack explained why he wants to change things. Really, dude? She's a stupid, ugly bitch and might be good in the sack, but altering existence for KATE? I do not buy it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 14, 2009, 07:38:10 AM
hahaha yeah it used to be that after a finale EVERYONE would have his theory of what's next. For this one it's : ''Well, we'll see what happens.''

Also lol@the-Kate-motivation, he can definitely have her without making nukes explode.

Now for season 2, no way. Season 2 was really good, I loved Desmond and Eko. Discovering the hatch and the other stations, and also when they capture Ben. When Micheal kills Libby and Ana Lucia. It's all good.
Season 3 was probably worst than this one though, you're right.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 14, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
now i undestand that emerson quote about having no idea where the show goes from here.  i found it rather infuriating that they decided to end it at that point, but thats lost after all.  half the fun of the downtime between seasons is pontificating about where the show will go, and they made that nearly impossible with this one.  i'll have to watch it again to digest it more.

loved the opening scene. this show has a real hard on for Deadwood actors.

oh... and FUCK that rose and bernard bullshit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 14, 2009, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 14, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
oh... and FUCK that rose and bernard bullshit.


What?

They were great, I totally loved that they've decided to shun everyone's veritable bloodlust to hunker down and enjoy their final years. It's very lovely, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on May 14, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 14, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
now i undestand that emerson quote about having no idea where the show goes from here.  i found it rather infuriating that they decided to end it at that point, but thats lost after all.  half the fun of the downtime between seasons is pontificating about where the show will go, and they made that nearly impossible with this one. 

Yeah that kind of pissed me off.  I think they should've just given us the slightest taste of whats to come.  Even if it was just a close up shot of an eye opening or something.  I mean if they know where they are going why not give us a little something to theorize about?  Its not like in 7 months there aren't going to be commercials and clips out anyways.

Also I don't want Locke to be dead.  I liked the new Locke.  Why the hell should I give a shit about this guy who wants to find a loophole and kill jacob that I just met in the first scene of this episode?  In fact, why should I even give a shit about Jacob.  I think this displays that had this show been thought out better prior to this season then it could've been great.  We could've been given that scene with Jacob and Deadwood guy much earlier than this episode.  We could've had Jacob appear in flashbacks back when flashbacks meant something.  And it all could've culminated with this episode.  The "wtf moment" could've been: wait a minute...THAT GUY is Jacob?  Or something like that.  It could've been great, but I think ultimately this season finale was underwhelming. 

Granted it is nice that this is all coming back to what Locke said in the pilot when he was playing backgammon with Walt.  "two sides. One light, one dark."

And Jack blowing up the island for Kate and Juliet helping him so she won't have to lose Sawyer? C'mon you can do better than that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 14, 2009, 02:00:38 PM
anyone care to hear my ending?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 14, 2009, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 14, 2009, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 14, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
oh... and FUCK that rose and bernard bullshit.


What?

They were great, I totally loved that they've decided to shun everyone's veritable bloodlust to hunker down and enjoy their final years. It's very lovely, if you ask me.

i'm being semi serious, i suppose i'm one of those people with a veritable blood lust. it actually served as a nice way of proving jacob's point vs. the man in black. i'm not on board with everyone who's been saying that rose and bernard are adam and eve. the white and black stones that jack finds on the bodies (and conspicuously conceals before locke shows up) make me think otherwise.

Quote from: Tictacbeekay on May 14, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
We could've had Jacob appear in flashbacks back when flashbacks meant something.  And it all could've culminated with this episode.  The "wtf moment" could've been: wait a minute...THAT GUY is Jacob?  Or something like that.  

the only problem with doing that is that viewers would've caught on that he had a part in the bigger picture. any random figure that appears in multiple flashbacks would have to be jacob, or at least be related to the island somehow. they had no choice but to hold it back. one thing i enjoyed was how they built up faraday in the orchid at the beginning of the season as being the finale when in reality it was anything but.  it's going to be difficult for them to keep throwing curveballs next season so i can understand why they don't want to give ANY indication of where things are going.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 14, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 14, 2009, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 14, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
oh... and FUCK that rose and bernard bullshit.


What?


Fuck that Rose and Bernard bullshit. Thanks Diggler I totally forgot about that point

''Please tell us where they went or we're all gonna die
-Then we're gonna die, at least we are gonna be together
-CUT THE HIPPY SHIT GRANDPA AND TELL US WHERE THEY GONE''

also : ''are you sure you don't want a cup of tea'' since when is Bernard the fucking Dalai Lama. also they're hiding for 3 years when Sawyer has been sending people looking for them ? The ''hostiles'' have not bothered them the slightest ? Yeah right, I guess they also have Predator-like skills. Absolute bullshit indeed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 14, 2009, 03:39:14 PM
Richard's answer to Ilana's question ("What lies in the shadow of the statue?") was in Latin, He said, "Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 14, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Fuck everyone who can watch an episode like that and immediately start nitpicking. I'm as cynical as the next guy, but seriously.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 14, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: polkablues on May 14, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Fuck everyone who can watch an episode like that and immediately start nitpicking. I'm as cynical as the next guy, but seriously.

Agreed. I will say that the first five minutes was the best part of the episode. I loved that such a quiet moment (the two of them on the beach) could be one of the biggest "holy fucks" of the series.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 14, 2009, 09:50:37 PM
(it's been a day since i watched it and i watched it twice. cool?)

it took me a while to grasp just how little information we'd been given. i thought for the most part this was a pretty well-executed episode, it's just kind of a letdown how we have no idea what the setup of season 6 could be aside from "they're coming." and some kind of potential reversal (the black on white titles).

jacob strikes me as a really good/well-intentioned mysterious guy.. maybe the best mysterious guy we've ever come across. at the very least, from what we know, better than the other guy/maybe locke II.. speaking of locke II, that's one thing you can speculate about. is this 100% another guy using locke's body or is this somehow time-travel-related? or has locke always been like this? what. up? either way i'm pretty sure killing jacob was a bad idea. OR WAS IT?

i really liked that odd moment after jack drags sayid to the van and smiles, then gets in and switches back into emergency mode. like, hah! we're really good at this!

the jack/kate justification was indeed weak. not just because you can easily say "lots of innocent people have died and our lives have been messed up." but also because of what sawyer said.. it doesn't make sense. bad writing.

and yes. i have never liked rose and bernard, and while i still liked the IDEA of 'retirement', that reaction was utter dishonest writing and made me want to punch bernard in the face.

despite all this and the clunkier episodes i still contend that every season is better than the last. overall season 5 is not the strongest, but it's still the best because it's doing things that are just IMPOSSIBLE in any other medium/show/even other seasons of lost. this is truly special television. ever since the season 4 finale i have accepted that no finale will ever be as amazing as season 3. you just can't destroy anyone's mind in the same show like that again. OR CAN YOU? LOST.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 14, 2009, 10:01:39 PM
i thought it was excellent! that first scene alone is lost at its best.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 14, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: polkablues on May 14, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Fuck everyone who can watch an episode like that and immediately start nitpicking. I'm as cynical as the next guy, but seriously.

No it's not about being cynical or whatever, it's about expecting more. This is Lost. Let's take for example Prison Break; I watch that show and I would never complain for bad writing or let downs because it's fucking Prison Break it's a shitty show. Lost is something more, and if it wants to stay something more, it must hold a higher standard of quality and writing.

do you agree or no ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 15, 2009, 04:20:08 PM
oh all right, here're my lil theories..

#1 Richard is the Black Rock captain and/or crew member. Jacob was waiting for him on the beach before giving him his gift of immortality. explains his pirate eyeliner?

#2 when Juliette was hitting the nuke with the rock down in the pit, the white flash eventually came about. i think the flash was actually due to someone turning the wheel (or did something) which sent them back...to the future. those jumps had white flashes every time. that way no one had to die, past wasn't altered etc. i think they're going to end up in present time on the island. back... where they started.

Quote from: Pas Rap on May 14, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
do you agree or no ?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 15, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
i've heard that as we go along, everything is supposed to be more and more a reflection of season 1. so somehow bringing them back full circle makes sense thematically. if this show ends up being a loop of some kind... brilliant marketing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 15, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
pozer, i pretty much agree with you, with a few minor quibbles.

i don't think jacob was necessarily waiting for richard. i think richard emerged as the leader of that group (much like how whidmore, ben, locke etc. have led their respected groups), and, by performing certain duties for jacob/the island, earned his immortality and/or agelessness. i think something similar will happen to the actual (currently dead) john locke. i also think that walt will be involved in this eternal struggle for the true leader, though, hopefully, without having to say much.

also, i don't think that the wheel turned or anything. i think they successfully caused "the incident," thus fulfilling their duty to the island, and now they flash to present day, where they will have more duties to perform.. "they're coming." i do think juliet is dead, however.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 15, 2009, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 14, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: polkablues on May 14, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Fuck everyone who can watch an episode like that and immediately start nitpicking. I'm as cynical as the next guy, but seriously.

No it's not about being cynical or whatever, it's about expecting more. This is Lost. Let's take for example Prison Break; I watch that show and I would never complain for bad writing or let downs because it's fucking Prison Break it's a shitty show. Lost is something more, and if it wants to stay something more, it must hold a higher standard of quality and writing.

do you agree or no ?

I know what you mean.  I'm just taking this show way too personally now.  For whatever reason, it gets under my skin when all I see after watching an episode that moved me and blew me away like that one did is people picking at the tiniest little scabs.  I'm over it now; I had made the mistake of coming here and posting immediately after having watched the episode, and it was all a little too fresh in my mind still.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 16, 2009, 01:48:48 AM
The last season will all be in the snow. Hence the black LOST on white. Quote me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 16, 2009, 02:43:03 AM
Quote from: JG on May 15, 2009, 07:46:04 PMi also think that walt will be involved in this eternal struggle for the true leader, though, hopefully, without having to say much.
yeah. i was rewatching the end of season 3 again and when he popped up much older than before, armed with all the knowledge of seasons 4 and 5 i immediately thought "time travel." of course it's a slight stretch because he's not as old as he was the last time we saw him, but really this was the best they could do given how people age and stuff... so in season 6 walt comes back, gets filled in, and travels back to revive locke after being shot.. or maybe he/his body is just being manipulated by the evil guy again. i do like this idea that locke becomes like alpert, however that works. because then he could be time traveling, hence 2 lockes. just like when he saw himself come out of the jungle and told alpert to give him the instructions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 18, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
My friends and I are going to be rewatching all five seasons soon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 18, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
i've been rewatching season 3 from the start. it's AMAZING how long ago it seems/how little we and the characters knew. sawyer's first moment with juliet is pretty funny in retrospect. she tazes him. i feel like graysmith right now.. if i can just put all the information in one place maybe it'll jog something loose.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 18, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 18, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
My friends and I are going to be rewatching all five seasons soon.

y'all are crazy, that's what i'm also going to do.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 18, 2009, 04:08:20 PM
Congratulations we made it to 100 pages.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 18, 2009, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on May 18, 2009, 04:08:20 PM
Congratulations we made it to 100 pages.

Also my friends and I are going to reread this Lost thread from page 1.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on May 18, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: Tictacbeekay on May 14, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
And Jack blowing up the island for Kate and Juliet helping him so she won't have to lose Sawyer? C'mon you can do better than that.

I disagree. I can't think of a more compelling reason for a human to act. To remove the pain of having lost the person you love most, even if that means making it so that you never meet them. I don't know of anything more powerful a motivator for human beings than love or, the flipside, pain inflicted by love.

So yeah, what would be a better motive to set off a hydrogen bomb then?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 18, 2009, 11:52:41 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 18, 2009, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on May 18, 2009, 04:08:20 PM
Congratulations we made it to 100 pages.

Also my friends and I are going to reread this Lost thread from page 1.

i did that the other day and it was quite amusing
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 19, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on May 18, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
So yeah, what would be a better motive to set off a hydrogen bomb then?

to me such an action would have to be broader than a personal loss. It would have to be in a greater scheme, sphere or plane (I don't know my word anymore I have drank 7 pints of rickard's red)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on May 19, 2009, 02:54:00 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 19, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on May 18, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
So yeah, what would be a better motive to set off a hydrogen bomb then?

to me such an action would have to be broader than a personal loss. It would have to be in a greater scheme, sphere or plane (I don't know my word anymore I have drank 7 pints of rickard's red)

jack rationalizes his motive in terms of the greater good by thinking that he will spare everyone all this trouble. indeed he says this until confronted about it and asked about what really drives him. his personal motive coincides with the greater good, which is a bonus. but even if it didn't, lost's characters are not the standard heroic selfless kind which makes them far more interesting to me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 19, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on May 19, 2009, 02:54:00 AM
Quote from: Pas Rap on May 19, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: pzyktzle on May 18, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
So yeah, what would be a better motive to set off a hydrogen bomb then?

to me such an action would have to be broader than a personal loss. It would have to be in a greater scheme, sphere or plane (I don't know my word anymore I have drank 7 pints of rickard's red)

jack rationalizes his motive in terms of the greater good by thinking that he will spare everyone all this trouble. indeed he says this until confronted about it and asked about what really drives him. his personal motive coincides with the greater good, which is a bonus. but even if it didn't, lost's characters are not the standard heroic selfless kind which makes them far more interesting to me.

I like this. I think the way the show presented Jack and Kate, we knew it wasn't going to work out. So every glimpse of this or that would be tinged with us, the audience, knowing that it's all bullshit. We never really got to see their relationship rise and fall, just the fall. I think Jack probably, on top of being really broken up about Kate, has a ridiculous amount of guilt regarding everything.

Did I just make a 180 on everything? Probably...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 01, 2009, 05:47:39 PM
Not to come off as unsensitive, but I immediately thought of Lost upon hearing this:

Vast search of Atlantic Ocean for Air France jet

RIO DE JANEIRO – An Air France jet with 228 people on a flight to Paris vanished over the Atlantic Ocean after flying into towering thunderstorms and sending an automated message that the electrical system had failed. A vast search began Monday, but all aboard were feared killed.

Military aircraft scrambled out to the center of the Atlantic, far from the coasts of Brazil and West Africa, and France sought U.S. satellite help to find the wreckage. The first military ship wasn't expected to reach the area where the plane disappeared until Wednesday.

If there are no survivors, it would be the world's worst aviation disaster since 2001.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the cause remains unclear and that "no hypothesis" is being excluded. Some experts dismissed speculation that lightning might have brought the plane down. But violent thunderheads reaching more than 50,000 feet high can pound planes with hail and high winds, causing structural damage if pilots can't maneuver around them.

Sarkozy said he told family members of passengers on Air France Flight 447 that prospects of finding survivors are "very small."

Brazil's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, expressed hope that "the worst hasn't happened," and said "we have to ask God" to help find survivors.

The 4-year-old Airbus A330 left Rio Sunday night with 216 passengers and 12 crew members on board, said company spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand. Most of the passengers were Brazilian and French, but 32 nations in all were represented, including two Americans.

The plane was cruising normally at 35,000 feet (10,670 meters) and 522 mph (840 kph) just before it disappeared nearly four hours into the flight. No trouble was reported as the plane left radar contact, beyond Brazil's Fernando de Noronha archipelago, at 10:48 local time.

But just north of the equator, a line of towering thunderstorms loomed. Bands of extremely turbulent weather stretched across the Atlantic toward Africa, as they often do in the area this time of year.

The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence," Air France said. About 14 minutes later, at 11:14 p.m. local time, 0214 GMT (10:14 p.m. EDT Sunday), an automatic message was sent reporting electrical system failure and a loss of cabin pressure. Air France said the message was the last it heard from Flight 447

While what happened to the plane has not been determined, a Pentagon official said he'd seen no indication of terrorism or foul play. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the subject.

Chief Air France spokesman Francois Brousse said a lightning strike could have damaged the plane. Henry Margusity, a senior meteorologist for AccuWeather.com, noted that the thunderstorms towered up to 50,000 feet in the area, so it was possible that the plane flew directly into the most charged part of the storm and.

Other experts doubted a bolt of lightning would be enough to bring the jet down. Some pointed to turbulence as a more dangerous factor.

"Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, Alexandria, Va.

Voss said planes are built to dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin, and are tested for resistance to big electromagnetic shocks.

The plane disappeared in an area of the mid-Atlantic ocean not covered by radar. Brazilian, African, Spanish and French air traffic controllers tried in vain to establish contact. The plane was gone.

Within two hours, two Brazilian Air Force planes began a search mission that grew Monday to seven aircraft and three navy ships. But with nothing more to go on than the last point where Flight 447 made contact — about 745 miles (1,200 kilometers) northeast of the coastal city of Natal — they faced an immense area of open ocean, with depths as much as 15,000 feet.

A French search plane took off from a military base in Senegal on Monday, to be joined by two more from France, and the Navy was asked to send a craft to help as well, armed forces spokesman Cmdr. Christophe Prazuck said.

Asking for U.S. satellite help, Sarkozy said finding the plane "will be very difficult."

"(I met with) a mother who lost her son, a fiancee who lost her future husband. I told them the truth," he said at a grim news conference in Paris.

The 216 passengers included 126 men, 82 women, 7 children and a baby, Air France said. There were 61 French and 58 Brazilians; 30 other countries were represented, including two Americans.

In Brazil, sobbing relatives were flown to Rio de Janeiro, where Air France was assisting the families.

At the Charles de Gaulle airport north of Paris, family members declined to speak to reporters and were brought to a cordoned-off crisis center.

Some people just missed disaster. Bernardo Ciriaco said there were two Air France flights leaving Rio for Paris Sunday night — and his brother was on one of them. It was not until hours later that his brother, Gustavo, called from Paris to say that he had been bumped to the missing flight, but then talked his way onto the other one.

"Thank God he complained until he got back on the original flight. Our family is so relieved," Ciriaco said.

Air France said it expressed "its sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of the passengers and crew members" aboard Flight 447.

Air France-KLM CEO Pierre-Henri Gourgeon said the pilot had 11,000 hours of flying experience, including 1,700 hours flying this aircraft.

Experts said the absence of a mayday call meant something happened very quickly.

"The conclusion to be drawn is that something catastrophic happened on board that has caused this airplane to ditch in a controlled or an uncontrolled fashion," Jane's Aviation analyst Chris Yates told The Associated Press. "Potentially it went down very quickly and so quickly that the pilot on board didn't have a chance to make that emergency call."

If all 228 people were killed, it would be the deadliest commercial airline disaster since Nov. 12, 2001, when an American Airlines jetliner crashed in the New York City borough of Queens during a flight to the Dominican Republic, killing 265 people.

Airbus spokeswoman Maggie Bergsma said it was the first fatal accident of a A330-200 since a test flight in 1994 went wrong, killing seven people in Toulouse.

The Airbus A330-200 is a twin-engine, long-haul, medium-capacity passenger jet that can hold up to 253 passengers. There are 341 in use worldwide, flying up to 7,760 miles (12,500 kilometers) a trip
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on June 01, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
I thought the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on June 01, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: SiliasRuby on June 01, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
I thought the exact same thing.

Yeah, let's hope they are in fact on the island or else it is a very sad event. It's amazing that there is so much technology available but these accidents can still happen, and even worse, there is no trace and they cannot figure out how to resolve it.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on June 01, 2009, 07:26:37 PM
great, i'm flying to london in a month and this is all i'll be thinking about
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on June 02, 2009, 02:33:08 PM
I wanted to share my theory with everyone. I thought I had already, but apparently not, so here goes:

Mr. Loophole is actually the good guy. Jacob lives in the statue - indeed it is a tribute to him. But there were two people on the island at the beginning - Jacob and Mr. Loophole. All this time Jacob has been considered the leader, the great one, the ruler of the island. And Mr. Loophole has had to live out his existence in Jacob's shadow - i.e. his has been in the shadow of the statue. And what lies in the shadow of the statue? He who will save us all. That's Mr. Loophole - he is the one who will save us all.

I think someone else may have already mentioned this but whatever: Mr. Loophole has been trying to get someone to do away with Jacob for a while now. Most recently he took control of Christian's corpse to try and get Jack to kill Jacob, but that didn't work. So, as Christian he kidnapped Claire from the jungle, but she was unable or unwilling to fulfill his need either. So he possessed Locke's corpse when it landed on the island, knowing that as Locke he could convince Ben to kill Jacob for him.

A friend also did some research on the identity of the statue. I don't know the exact name, so bear with me, but apparently it is the image of an Egyptian God who guides the recently possessed through the afterlife. According to my friend's research the mythology says that the God began as a benevolent God but then transformed into a malevolent God. My friend's theory is that Jacob will be resurrected as an evil force that will jeopardize the island. That could fit with my own theory, and also the prevailing rumor that everything will run in contrast to the existing world in season six...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on June 02, 2009, 09:05:40 PM
i thought the statue was Tawaret? didn't they comfirm this?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on June 03, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
Seems so. I didn't watch the recap episode. My friend's a fool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on June 03, 2009, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on June 03, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
Seems so. I didn't watch the recap episode. My friend's a fool.

don't sweat it, i wouldn't have known if someone on the internet hadn't found out for me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on June 04, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
Holy shit, as per usual, I did not go the extra step and realize that Jack's dad was probably possessed as well. Thank you sleepless! Jacob getting back to the island?? I think so. But then, where is the body?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 22, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/18/what-if-lost-were-a-sitcom-from-the-nineties/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on June 22, 2009, 01:17:20 AM
Priceless
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 29, 2009, 08:50:51 PM
Still care about ABC's Lost? Here's 'Ben' on what's coming in the final season
Source: SciFi Wire

As usual, all things about ABC's Lost are hush-hush, lest any posters on the Fuselage message boards get wind of spoilers, but rumors persist that long-departed cast members such as Maggie Grace may return for at least one appearance in the show's sixth and final season.

First things first, though: Are the regulars still coming back? Season five ended with a bomb exploding in the past, possibly erasing the entire present of the show.

Michael Emerson, who plays Ben Linus, confirmed that at least he is still an active part of the show. "My understanding is that I am," Emerson said in an exclusive interview last week at the Saturn Awards in Burbank, Calif. "For how much of season six, that's a good question."

Yes, more cryptic answers from the actor who plays the most cryptic character on the show. He even kiboshed my theory about erasing the present timeline. If the bomb prevented the crash of Oceanic Flight 815, seeing everybody live happily ever after wouldn't earn high ratings for the finale.

"I could see why you might think that, but from my perspective as playing that character who arrived late on that show, it doesn't sound terribly dramatic unless there's something in that equation that I don't quite get," Emerson said. "I'm just curious about what dramatic paths we'll follow."

One dramatic path might be further explorations of the mysterious Jacob. The fifth-season finale revealed Jacob as a corporal presence, but still not quite human. Ben stabbed him, intending to kill Jacob. "I'm still not sure that he's a person like you and [me]," Emerson said. "I'm still not sure he's a person like Ben. Is he killable? I don't know. We haven't been to his funeral yet, so I don't know. I don't know where all that's going."

Season six might finally give us more Ben flashbacks. We've seen Ben in flash-forwards, sending Sayid on assassination missions and trying to shoot Desmond. We've met Young Ben in the past, but we have yet to see much of Ben as an adult.

"What constitutes a proper Ben flashback?" Emerson said. "There are some gaps in Ben's bio, and I think we may look backward a couple of times this season. I'm just guessing."

Don't expect any big changes for Ben, though. While audiences have seen him go from Henry Gale to the evil leader of the Others to a sympathetic young boy, Emerson has always acted as Ben and will continue to do so. "Ben has always seemed straightforward to me, and I don't think Ben has changed much over time," he said. "I think audience perceptions of Ben [have] changed."

In a separate interview at the Saturns, Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse told a group of reporters that he would not answer any questions about the coming season, not even with vague, dodgy answers. But he promised that he and fellow executive producer Damon Lindelof will be ready to answer questions for fans attending the Lost panel at Comic-Con International in San Diego next month.

"I hope you're coming to Comic-Con," Cuse said in a group interview. "Traditionally, Damon and I go into radio silence this time of year, and then at Comic-Con, we will answer questions. We want to give the fans a chance to speculate and theorize about what they saw in the finale, so we don't want to kind of be interpreting the finale at this point. Come Comic-Con, we'll have a few more things to say about what's going to happen in season six."

Somebody please ask whether we're going to see what happened if the plane never crashed, so Cuse will give us an answer. "Perhaps, or it will be evaded in more elaborate detail," he said.

Lost returns in January 2010 on ABC.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 09, 2009, 08:32:20 PM
Lost: The Complete Fifth Season is due on DVD and Blu-ray from Disney on 12/8 (SRP $59.99 and $79.99). There will also be a Limited Edition DVD Gift Set version that includes Dharma Initiative packaging and swag for $119.99.


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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on July 16, 2009, 12:18:26 PM
av club

The Lost Lawsuit Is Someone's Constant
Further adventures in unconvincing lawsuits
By Amelie Gillette July 15, 2009

Anthony Spinner is the veteran producer behind Baretta, The Man From U.N.C.L.E., and several other TV shows, and in 1977, evidently after being visited by a time-travelin' Daniel Farraday, he wrote a script for ABC about a band of plane crash survivors who land in a mysterious tropical locale. Spinner claims his rejected script (which he resubmitted in 1991 and 1994) was eventually made into ABC's Lost, and he's now suing the network for royalties. Which brings me to the question: When is the lawsuit?
From TMZ:

Anthony Spinner--a producer on "Baretta" and "Babes in Toyland" -- says back in 1977 he was paid $30,000 to write a TV pilot, which eventually became a 121-page script called "Lost."

Spinner lists a ton of similarities in his suit -- which was filed on July 10 -- notably an "airplane headed to Los Angeles [that] crashes into a tropical jungle-like environment."



So he came up with the idea of having a TV show about an airplane crash? He doesn't even say here that his plane crashed on an island, just a "tropical jungle-like environment." But that's not the only vague plot point Spinner is claiming to have come up with before Lost. From his lawsuit: 

Spinner: Survivor suffers from drug addiction (Kyle) vs. ABC's Lost: Survivor suffers from drug addiction (Charlie)

Spinner: Ethnic minority character (Coby) must deal with racial slurs especially from one character (Butch) vs. ABC's Lost: Ethnic minority character (Sayid) must deal with racial slurs especially from one character (Sawyer)

Spinner: Jealousy erupts when a man (Butch) sees that woman's attention is focused on another man (Jackie focused on Hagan)  vs. ABC's Lost: Jealousy erupts when a man (Jack) sees that woman's attention is focused on another man (Kate focused on Sawyer)

Spinner: Physically fit and durable young woman (Jackie/Diane) suffers from the recent loss of her partner and can perform many of the same physical tasks as men. vs. ABC's Lost: Physically fit and durable young woman (Kate) suffers from the recent loss of her partner and can perform many of the same physical tasks as men

Spinner: Killing off a lead. vs. ABC's Lost: Killing off a lead.


Okay, so to sum up, not only did Spinner introduce the concept of a plane crash to ABC for the very first time, he also is responsible for such narrative innovations as 1. Having a character with a drug problem 2. Having a character who is a minority and another one who's kinda a racist 3. Inventing the concept of a love triangle 4. Inventing the concept of a strong woman and 5. Killing off a main character. Has Spinner seen Grey's Anatomy, or Desperate Housewives, or even Ugly Betty? Because considering this impressive list of original concepts, I'm pretty sure he could sue ABC for aspects of some of those shows as well.
Granted, there is at least one striking similarity between what Spinner alleges he came up with and what was eventually on Lost:

Spinner: Cold weather animals in a warm tropical jungle (Saber Tooth Tiger) vs. ABC's Lost: Cold weather animals in a warm tropical jungle (Polar Bear)

So close...and yet so far. I mean, a Saber Tooth Tiger? That would have been ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on July 16, 2009, 05:40:49 PM
This article make the accusation seem silly but it's really similar. He's got a case.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on July 16, 2009, 07:09:30 PM
could you link to said case?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on July 16, 2009, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: picolas on July 16, 2009, 07:09:30 PM
could you link to said case?

From what I've read what Spinner pitched to ABC looks pretty similar. Then again, this story is an old one you will say. I do agree. But it's the addition of similarities. anyway, you can read comments there http://www.docarzt.com/lost/the-lost-lawsuit-my-opinion/ , especially the ones by Zeke. someone said on there that this is a marketing stunt and I think it is plausible too.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on July 16, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
The fact that the year 1977 features prominently in both the suit and the current show storyline, I'm leaning towards marketing stunt. We'll see.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 25, 2009, 11:23:49 PM
Comic-Con: 'Lost' producers vow 'everything that matters will be answered'

Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof are Comic-Con royalty, so when they alluded to this being their last time addressing the throng as the producers of ABC's "Lost," a mass groan rose from the crowd Saturday morning in Hall H.

Well, everyone knew this day was coming. Cuse and Lindelof had arrived to set up the sixth and final season of their desert-island thriller. And they tried to lessen the pain by billing their appearance as "fan appreciation" day.

Lindelof assured the faithful that all the mythology and mysterious plot points would indeed be wrapped up this season.

"Yeah, everything that matters will be answered," he told the crowd, still leaving some wriggle room for theorists (what doesn't matter?). Cuse even took the step of saying he was locking the scripted ending in a sealed chest, which would prove the writers were not making everything up as they went along, as some skeptics have insisted.

As they have in the past, the producers made it clear that they were relieved to be able to announce a clear end date for the series. The pair famously battled over the issue with ABC executives, who were loath to let go of something with such a devoted fan base. "The biggest moment in the show's life was when were able to announce the show's death," Lindelof said.

But as for details on this final season, the producers revealed little. "We will be as honest and forthcoming as we never were," Lindelof joked at the beginning of the session.

Instead, the pair trotted out plenty of surprises aimed squarely at hardcore Losties. Hall H erupted in pandemonium when Jorge Garcia, who plays the beefy Hurley, showed up at the microphone to ask a question, only to be interrupted by costar Michael Emerson. As the two engaged in a mock argument, hundreds of fans screamed and lifted cellphones to snap a picture. The producers then showed a gag reel of Emerson, looking nervous and wearing a baseball cap, supposedly auditioning for the part of Hurley back in 2004.

Indeed, the session brought a cornucopia of bits that can be added to future DVDs and to the overall "Lost" mythology. One favorite: A mock TV spot for Oceanic Airlines. That, of course, is the carrier at the center of the plane crash that launched the series.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 19, 2009, 06:32:43 PM
John Hawkes joins 'Lost' for final season
'Deadwood' actor will take on the role of Lennon

John Hawkes is joining the final season of "Lost" as a recurring.

The "Deadwood" alum will play Lennon, the scruffy, edgy and charismatic spokesperson and translator for the president of a foreign corporation who is far more powerful than it seems from his position.

Hawkes, who played budding entrepreneur and politician Sol Star on David Milch's Western "Deadwood," recently co-starred on another HBO series, the offbeat comedy "Eastbound & Down."

His feature credits include "American Gangster" and "Miami Vice."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on August 19, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
one of many deadwood actors to join LOST.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on August 19, 2009, 09:59:34 PM
(keeps fingers crossed for ian macshane)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 20, 2009, 12:29:49 AM
(keeps fingers crossed for molly parker)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 08, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
Have we been watching the wonderful viral marketing of Mysteries of the Universe?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mysteries_Of_The_Universe

The videos are linked there or...

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_K6tSOahf0)

Part 2  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gho9qnlvOgY)

Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bs3acLRXBU)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 21, 2009, 10:47:18 AM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiwire.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F09%2Fkanye_lost-thumb-550x400-24413.jpg&hash=80dc31b51dc320dce1168711e2fbdc8ae07dde70)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: OrHowILearnedTo on September 21, 2009, 12:31:01 PM
its only been a week and everybody in the world is sick of that joke


unless you made that mac, then good job!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 21, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: OrHowILearnedTo on September 21, 2009, 12:31:01 PMunless you made that mac, then good job!

Neither made it, nor wrote the Idle Chatter tag.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 17, 2009, 04:51:25 PM
Lost's final season will answer everything. Mostly.
Source: SciFi Wire

Lost begins its final season in 2010, but you may have noticed there hasn't been any preview footage airing on ABC. You'd think the network would want to tout the long-awaited conclusion. Actually, show runner Damon Lindelof insisted that they not reveal any footage of the final season.

"I think even a single scene from the show would basically tip what it is we're doing this year, and what it is we're doing this year is different than what we've done in other years," Lindelof said in a group interview on Nov. 16 in Los Angeles, where he was promoting the Star Trek DVD and Blu Ray. "That is the marketing strategy that we are trying to impose upon our masters. I can't unequivocally say that we will be able to hold the embargo all the way up until the actual premiere, but it's pretty cool that we're not showing anything as late as November, so we'll see. I think once the show actually starts, once we're back on, then we'll start showing people what we're up to."

Season five of Lost ended with Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) detonating a bomb at the Swan Station. Jack thought blowing up the station would prevent the events that caused the Oceanic plane crash. But the detonation in 1977 affects the present and continuity of Lost as a whole. Lindelof said the final episodes will be Lost storytelling in top form.

"We're kind of returning back to the same kind of storytelling that put us on the map in the first place and resolving some of these mysteries," Lindelof said. "I think this had got to be a record for how much patience people have, but the idea that we're actually getting to answer some of these questions creates this incredible nostalgia, especially when you're doing it through the characters and the actors who were there in the very beginning, so it's pretty cool, theoretically."

Lindelof intends to answer every mystery the show intentionally created. For the mysteries that fans have created themselves, the show can't help you. "I think that there are some Lost mysteries that we're not even aware are mysteries," Lindelof said. "That's the thing. People ask us questions and I'm like, 'What are you talking about?' 'What happened to Scott? Are we ever going to find out who murdered Scott?' It's like, 'Ethan murdered him.' They're like, 'Well, but did he?' I'm like, 'YES! Yes, he did.' So for the mysteries that we acknowledge as mysteries, they will be answered."

Then there are some "mysteries" that are really just fans reading way too much into things. "I think that there are some mysteries, like why is the island an island, that aren't mysteries to me," Lindelof said. "That's what it is. There are things like the midi-chlorian issue, which is essentially was anyone really saying, 'How does the Force work?' We just sort of accepted that it worked."

Lost returns to ABC in 2010.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 19, 2009, 11:52:38 PM
Lost season premiere details! It's back in February
Source: SciFi Wire

Huzzah!

ABC finally announced that the sixth and final season of Lost will debut on Feb. 2, 2010, starting with a one-hour recap special at 8 p.m. ET/PT, followed by the two-hour season premiere at 9.

Lost will then air in its regular time period, Tuesdays at 9, beginning the following week, on Feb. 9.

The complete announcement follows.

November 19, 2009

ABC ANNOUNCES THE PREMIERE OF THE SIXTH AND FINAL SEASON OF "LOST,"
WITH A SPECIAL ALL-NIGHT EVENT ON TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 2


ABC announces the premiere of the sixth and final season of "Lost," with a special all-night event on Tuesday, February 2. A recap special will kick off the night from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET, followed by the much anticipated two-hour premiere from 9:00-11:00 p.m.

The series will then air in its regular time period - Tuesday nights from 9:00-10:00 p.m., ET - beginning the following week, on February 9.

"Lost" stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Ken Leung as Miles, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Terry O'Quinn as Locke and Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana.

"Lost" was created by Jeffrey Lieber and J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof. Abrams, Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Jack Bender, Edward Kitsis, Adam Horowitz, Jean Higgins and Carlton Cuse serve as executive producers. "Lost," which is filmed entirely on location in Hawaii and premiered on September 22, 2004, is from ABC Studios.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on November 29, 2009, 11:02:37 PM
So excited! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C56Lgl6DorM&f)

edit: this promo contains no new footage
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 05, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiwire.com%2Fassets_c%2F2009%2F12%2FLostPromos-thumb-550x469-29632.jpg&hash=b05eb4238ba9a9d0228ce1829c40b85668138cf3)


The Lost promo ABC doesn't want you to see
Source: SciFi Wire

Lost won't be returning for another few months, and ABC has just released a trailer for the series' sixth season that has us anxiously counting down the days until Feb. 2. But it turns out that there's a second trailer, one not airing in the U.S., that puts ABC's promo to shame.


Lost & Radiohead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C56Lgl6DorM
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on December 07, 2009, 04:15:30 PM
I watched that trailer last week and while it's "neat" that they're using radiohead, it's just clips from previous seasons with chessboard graphics crammed in... it's not anything new.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on December 07, 2009, 08:25:54 PM
yea i don't think that they're showing any new footage before the premiere because seeing anything would already be "too spoilery". i give it points for being inventive given the restraints. why chess i wonder? i thought backgammon was the show's game of choice.

perfect song
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on December 08, 2009, 05:32:07 AM
Quote from: ddiggler on December 07, 2009, 08:25:54 PM
why chess i wonder? i thought backgammon was the show's game of choice.

i guess they're being pretty literal when they say this season is a total game changer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on December 08, 2009, 10:10:22 AM
zing!

anybody been keeping up with the Rewatch Column on CHUD? i've been really enjoying this guy's recaps. worth a look:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/21772/1/LOST-THE-REWATCH-COLUMN-SEASON-3-EPISODE-22-amp-23/Page1.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on December 08, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
He's no Doc Jensen, but it's a fun column to read.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on December 09, 2009, 02:00:04 PM
Dumb Question of the Day:


I just finished Season 5, and maybe I missed it...but why do Locke, Ben, etc. appear to be in modern day after the plane crash while Jack, Kate and Hurley are in 1977? I'm referring to Dharmaville specifically...when Locke and Ben are there it looks loke it's been abandoned for a while and when the other three are there, its the heyday of the Dharma Initiative. I must have missed something. Any help would be appreciated!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on December 09, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
Quote from: Derek on December 09, 2009, 02:00:04 PM
I must have missed something everything.

fixed.

maybe it's better if you rewatch the whole season.


but if you're looking for the short answer keep reading...............yep, they are in present day, some ppl in that plane went to the past and some landed in the present, lost's crazy  :crazyeyes:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on December 09, 2009, 03:34:45 PM
Yeah.  Pretty much rewatch the season.

But basically, as the plane passed over the island, there was a flash of white light and Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid disappeared off the plane and woke up on the island in 1977.  The rest of the plane, which included Ben, Sun, Lapidus, and Locke's corpse, crashed on the island in the current day (2007, by the show's timeline).  Why this is the case, we don't know yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on December 09, 2009, 04:01:45 PM
Thanks, I just missed the fact that they weren't pulled into separate timelines. I'm thick.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on December 18, 2009, 10:27:46 AM
how could you possibly miss that if you watched a single episode?

whatever.

I'm not as excited as I thought I would be about this. I guess Lost has been going steadily downhill ever since S01E01 ... there's always a couple great episode a year but so, so much filler.

It will stand as one the greatest series in TV history as a whole, but taken apart, episode by episode, it can be so irritating to follow. It was def. made for DVDs
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on December 19, 2009, 12:47:00 PM
my girlfriend recently saw the season 5 finale after having never seen the show and decided to go back and watch the whole series from the beginning. every episode she's like "is THAT the real locke? is he dead now? ok, how about now? waaiiiiit i bet that was the fake locke!!!"

we're on season 1 episode 5
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on December 19, 2009, 12:54:43 PM
Quote from: jtm on May 27, 2005, 08:12:33 PM

my predictions for next season:

-the guys on the raft will put 2 and 2 together and figure out it was "the others" that kidnapped Walt and return to the island.
-they will find survivors from the tail of the plane, one of them being Michelle Rodriguez who will hook up with Jack.
-Kate and Sawyer will bang.
-Jack will die.
-just kiddin about Jack.
-Boone will return as some sort of apparition that only Shannon can see and may or may not just be in her head.
-"the others" will kill Danielle.
-Locke will turn into a full fledged villain.
-Hurley's fat ass won't lose any weight.

been re-reading this thread (which is very entertaining by the way) and gotta give props to this (shockingly accurate) prediction from after season 1
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 19, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
'Lost' posters: The best? Or the best ever?
Source: EW

Uh-oh, looks like my collection of Lost paraphernalia is about to grow: This new poster from British designer Olly Moss is the coolest freaking thing I've seen in years. (Time to get out more, Marge!) Behold the Saul Bass-ian glory of a John Locke poster.

This is the second in a 16-poster series (the first is this Hurley-themed edition) that will no doubt wipe out my meager savings. I particularly like the cheeky URLs for the first two posters, ActuallyItsKetchup.com, which Hurley said to Ana Lucia in "The Lie", and ThatAndBasketWeaving.com, which Alex says to Sawyer.

http://damoncarltonandapolarbear.com/dcpb/x/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on December 19, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on December 18, 2009, 10:27:46 AM
how could you possibly miss that if you watched a single episode?

whatever.

I'm not as excited as I thought I would be about this. I guess Lost has been going steadily downhill ever since S01E01 ... there's always a couple great episode a year but so, so much filler.

It will stand as one the greatest series in TV history as a whole, but taken apart, episode by episode, it can be so irritating to follow. It was def. made for DVDs

Don't let it ruin your day.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 23, 2009, 02:09:15 AM
New Promo here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rSXZs7561Q)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on December 23, 2009, 03:28:48 PM
That's a pretty well put together promo....just over a month away!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 03, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
Want to see Lost before anyone else? Here's how!

Don't want to wait until Feb. 2 to get your first glimpse of Lost's sixth and final season premiere? Well, Losties, you don't have to! All you have to do is be one of 815 winners of Lost's "message in a bottle" sweepstakes and you'll win an exclusive sneak peek at the first few minutes of the show's premiere.

The 815 winners will get a Lost bottle with a USB port that looks like Desmond's fail-safe key. That key has exclusive, never-before-seen video of the season premiere, along with scenes from last season's finale.

So what do you have to do to become one of the 815 ultimate Lost insiders? Figure out if blowing yourself up in the past will make you have a better future in the present? Discover who Jacob really is and if he's really dead? Determine if Locke really is the Smoke Monster or if the Smoke Monster is actually the four-toed statue?

Nope, all you have to do is go to http://lostthefinalseasonsweepstakes.com/ and register by Jan. 17, 2010. Then answer six questions correctly (you can keep trying if you get them wrong) and you're entered. And just so everybody's got a real chance, we're going to give you the questions and the answers. (At least the ones we gave when we entered.) So stop reading if you want to figure out this yourself. Stop reading now. We mean it. Don't read another word ...

Here are the questions:

1) How many survivors were there from the fuselage section of Oceanic flight 815?

And the answer is: 48

2) Who are the Oceanic 6?

And the answer is: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron

3) What game did Locke use to illustrate the battle of good and evil on the Island?

And the answer is: Backgammon

4) A surprising romance developed between which unlikely couple in season five?

And the answer is: Sawyer and Juliet

5) What was the name of the scientific organization that built the stations on the Island?

And the answer is: Dharma Initiative

6) Who is the first person to say, "Whatever happened, happened?"

And the answer is: Faraday

Prizes will be delivered on Friday, Jan. 29, which gives you gloating rights for a few days before the Tuesday, Feb. 2, Lost all-night event. The recap special starts at 8 p.m. ET/PT, with the two-hour premiere, "LA X" premiering at 9 p.m.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 03, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
someone had better leak that shit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 03, 2010, 11:30:18 PM
three days early, big deal.

just kidding
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 05, 2010, 01:16:20 PM
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiwire.com%2Fassets_c%2F2010%2F01%2FLastSupper_Lost_thumb-thumb-550x203-30966.jpg&hash=42b0590ca39a71fe520be59a3149b1b5dca4f081)


Lost's 'Last Supper'
Source: SciFi Wire

Little could Leonardo da Vinci have imagined way back in the 15th century that his brilliant painting of The Last Supper—which features Jesus with his 12 apostles—would become the iconic image for television promotions, as exemplified by what we're calling the "Lost Supper," which ABC just released to promote the upcoming sixth and final season, which premieres Feb. 2 at 8 p.m.

The picture features the cast of Lost sitting in airplane seats pulled up to what appears to be an airplane wing that's being used as a table. Skulls litter the ground in front of them as the cast appears focused on Locke in the center of the table. So what's it mean? Locke is Jesus? Airplane wings make good tables? Dharma Initiative food would make a good last supper? And if Locke is Jesus, who's Judas?


Larger pic here. (http://scifiwire.com/uploads/LastSupper_Lost-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 05, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin on January 05, 2010, 01:16:20 PM
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Lost's 'Last Supper'
Source: SciFi Wire

Little could Leonardo da Vinci have imagined way back in the 15th century that his brilliant painting of The Last Supper—which features Jesus with his 12 apostles—would become the iconic image for television promotions, as exemplified by what we're calling the "Lost Supper," which ABC just released to promote the upcoming sixth and final season, which premieres Feb. 2 at 8 p.m.

The picture features the cast of Lost sitting in airplane seats pulled up to what appears to be an airplane wing that's being used as a table. Skulls litter the ground in front of them as the cast appears focused on Locke in the center of the table. So what's it mean? Locke is Jesus? Airplane wings make good tables? Dharma Initiative food would make a good last supper? And if Locke is Jesus, who's Judas?


Larger pic here. (http://scifiwire.com/uploads/LastSupper_Lost-2.jpg)

Hurley was the obvious choice!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bethie on January 06, 2010, 12:11:32 AM
I just started watching Lost. Half way through the second season. Walt talking backwards is one of the scariest images I've ever seen.

I already put in my prediction for the last episode. haha. my friend got really pissed at me. I'm like "John Locke and that cop woman are the only two that survive."

I'm glad I never skimmed this thread.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 06, 2010, 09:40:51 PM
Everything you need to know about Lost's final season
Source: SciFi Wire

Annoyed because ABC hasn't released one new moment from Lost's upcoming sixth and final season? Dying for some spoilers to jazz you up for the final episodes involving all things Jack and Locke and Kate and Sawyer and that mysterious TARDIS of an island?

Well, Lost executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof are finally talking, at least to The Hollywood Reporter, and while they are being cagey when it comes to spoilers, they are giving us enough to make us wish Lost were starting tonight.

Cuse and Lindelof say that the sixth season will focus on the battle between Jack (Matthew Fox) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn). (Isn't he dead?)

"Jack and Locke have always been at the center of the show, that dilemma of faith vs. reason, and the conflict between those two characters has been there since the beginning," Cuse said. "It's very exciting to bring that relationship to its conclusion, and we can't really be any less vague about that."

The sixth season, they say, will be similar in tone to season one. "We're employing a different narrative device, which we feel is creating some emotional and heartfelt stories, and we want the audience to have a chance in the final season to remember the entire history of the show," Cuse said. "So we have actors coming back like, Dominic [Monaghan] and Ian [Somerhalder]. We're hoping to achieve a circularity of the entire journey so the ending is reminiscent of the beginning."

As far as what the "narrative device" is that doesn't involve flashbacks or flash-forwards, they're not saying. "Musical numbers. If you love Bollywood movies, you will love this season," joked Cuse.

Lost has never rested on its laurels, said Lindelof. "Not because we're trying to be artsy, but the show demands constant shifts to best tell the story. We've known what we were going to do for a couple years now, and there's been a tremendous amount of work setting up the premise so it would work. But we're still wondering, 'Will it work? Will the audience understand? What's the reaction going to be like?'"

The final episode will be written by Lindelof and Cuse, with Jack Bender directing. But before we get there, we have to start at the beginning of the season. ABC's special all-night Lost event premieres on Feb. 2 with a recap episode at 8 p.m. ET/PT and then is followed by the two-hour premiere at 9 p.m. (At least unless President Obama holds his State of the Union address on that date; then all bets are off.)

Just to get you started, above is a quickie recap that ABC released this week, called LOST in 8:15!, a sassy video originally created to recap the first three seasons in 8 minutes and 15 seconds. They updated it to get you ready, recapping all five seasons, and it's actually 8 minutes and 40 seconds long now.

Will you tune in on Feb. 2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIFL104E9Ts
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 08, 2010, 12:42:09 AM
Will Obama bump the Lost premiere? Fans get mad
Source: SciFi Wire

Forget terrorists and tea-party activists, President Obama is asking for trouble from the scariest group of people yet: Lost fans, who stand to see their much-anticipated final-season premiere pre-empted if the prez slates his State of the Union address for Feb. 2.

The White House is reportedly mulling either Jan. 26 or Feb. 2 for Obama's first State of the Union. If it picks the latter, that messes up ABC's long-announced plans to air a big three-hour Lost event that night to usher in the show's sixth and final season.

It's unclear what that would mean. Would we have to wait one more week for the glorious confusion of more Lost answers that turn into questions? Would the premiere go ahead as scheduled while ABC delays the otherwise live national speech?

We're guessing ABC had to know this was a potential problem, since the president always gives his State of the Union around this time. We're hoping they have a Plan B.

In the meantime, fans have gone viral and seem as batty as a raging polar bear Lost on a twitchy time-traveling island. They've started a save-our-Lost-premiere Twitter campaign to stop Obama. Under the hashtag #NoStateofUnionFeb2, the Losties are threatening, begging and trying to reason with Obama.

Brackmann wrote: "Please Obama, don't crash Lost premiere. We don't need to hear the economy is bad, it's old news, save yourself a speech." zenkitteh added: "Come on Obama!! You are a smart man, you must be a fan of Lost." And WillJRHopkins added: "I'm not an american but if i have to wait for lost any longer i might throw up."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 08, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
White House blinks, speech won't pre-empt Lost
Source: SciFi Wire

Lost fans can breathe a sigh of relief: Looks like even the White House isn't dumb enough to raise their ire. The Obama administration has said that it won't schedule the president's State of the Union speech on Feb. 2, which would pre-empt the sixth and final season premiere of the ABC sci-fi series.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says that he does not "foresee a scenario" where the ABC show would be pre-empted for the address, according to a report on The Wall Street Journal. (The address will air on Jan. 26.)

This led executive producer Damon Lindelof to exult on Twitter:

@DamonLindelof: OBAMA BACKED DOWN!!!! Groundhog Day is OURS!!!!!!! (God Bless America)
He added:

Okay. So Obama didn't technically "back down." He leveraged Carlton and I to do something on the show. Two words. MORE FROGURT.
Meanwhile, Lost director Jack Bender snagged a prestigious Directors Guild Award nomination for the show's fifth-season finale, "The Incident, Parts 1 & 2." The winners will be named on Jan. 30.

Lost returns on Feb. 2, at 9 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on January 08, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
I never paid attention to Lost before 2 months ago, when I was lent the season one dvd. Since then I've crammed all the rest of it including season 5 in a day and a half. I'm having trouble remembering what life was like before it. I also wonder if I would have stuck with if it if I had watched it week to week on regular tv. Love it. Love it love it love it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 13, 2010, 01:01:43 AM
7 things we CAN tell you about Lost's final season
Source: SciFi Wire

The cast and creators of ABC's Lost met with reporters Tuesday morning to offer up a few spoilers for the upcoming season premiere and the show's sixth and final season, and we've got a full report for you below. (Like we said, spoilers ahead!)

At a press conference Tuesday in Pasadena, Calif., as part of the Television Critics Association's winter press tour:


Michael and Libby are back

Executive producer Carlton Cuse and co-creator and executive producer Damon Lindelof confirmed that Harold Perrineau, who played Michael, and Cynthia Watros, who played the ill-fated Libby, will return for the final season.

"So, finally, your Libby questions will be answered," Cuse said.

"No, they will not," Lindelof retorted.

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The two-hour season premiere will be epic


"The premiere is definitely like, what? Wait, let me read that part again," said Jorge Garcia, who plays Hurley.

"The premiere this time felt big, though, too. It felt like a finale," added Josh Holloway (Sawyer). "That scale. Wow."

"I think I had to read it about three times before it actually made sense," said Emilie de Ravin (Claire), eliciting laughter from reporters.

"Not helping," Lindelof said. "Get ready to scratch your heads, America."

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The premiere will resolve last season's cliffhanger


"The season premiere picks up right after the finale," Cuse said. "And we really don't want to say too much about it. We've obviously been very circumspect about the sixth season. ... Primarily because there's this big cliffhanger. Juliet hits this bomb, there's a white flash. What happened?

"Jack and Faraday were postulating that that was going to re-set the clock, and the Oceanic 815 would fly along and land in Los Angeles if she taps that bomb. And something else happens. Maybe they're still stuck on the island. We don't really want to ... give away what the show is going to be this season. ... That's why we've been very circumspect about what we've said and haven't shown any new footage."

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The final season won't answer all your questions


"Obviously, not every question is going to be answered, so obviously some people are going to be upset that these particular questions don't get resolved," Cuse said, adding: "We feel if we just tried to answer questions, it would be very pedantic. Apart from that, we also really embrace this notion that there's a fundamental sort of sense of mystery ... and to sort of demistify that by trying to literally explain everything down to the ... last little ... midichlorian of it all would be a mistake, in our view. So I think there will be hopefully a ... healthy cocktail of answers, mystery, good character resolutions and some surprises."

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The final season will feel like the first


"For us, ... there's an inherent process when you're ending something ... to be thinking about the beginning as writers, and in fact the story of the sixth season very specifically has to go back to the beginning to examine a lot of things. ... When you basically say, 'Here's where our character started, A, when we first met them, and here's where they've come to,'" Lindelof said.

"One of the things that I think we're trying to do—all of us, the actors and the writers as well—in the sixth season is to show the audience the 'before,' so they have some sense of 'Oh, this is what he used to be, and who they are now,' so you really get a sense of how far that person's come. And obviously, the process of doing that—not just thinking about it, but doing it on a story level—really makes you feel like we felt in season one."

"What I actually think has been quite fascinating and a credit to Damon and Carlton and the writing staff is that we're in now the sixth season of our show, and we're again changing, or they're again changing, the narrative style of the show," said Daniel Dae Kim (Jin).

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The final season won't make everyone happy


"All we can do is put our best foot forward," Lindelof said. "We do feel like the worst ending we could possibly provide everyone who has invested this amount of time and energy into watching the show is the safe ending. The ending that is basically ... what's going to be the most appealing to the most number of people. At the same point, you can't take a risk just to take a risk, because that's a betrayal in and of itself.

"Fortunately for us, we've been talking about how the show's going to end since [ABC entertainment president] Steve [McPherson] gave us an end date three years ago. So we really have no excuse not to say anything other than this is the ending we wanted to do on the terms that we wanted to do it. ... We've had a lot of time to think about it. ... There's certainly a hope on all our parts that everybody ... universally loves the ending that we put forward ... but I don't think it would be Lost if there wasn't ... an ongoing active debate amongst people who watch the show as to whether or not it was a good ending."

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There won't be a sequel series


"We are definitively ending this story of these characters ... and the show that we wanted to tell in May, and there's not going to be an implanted sequel. There's not going to be a secret backdoor pilot embedded in that," Cuse said. "The story of Lost ... is coming to a close this May."

"Personally, I'm just feeling a tremendous amount of gratitude, the idea that ... we're getting to end something ... while everybody still cares, while we still love each other, as opposed to everybody saying it's about time," Lindelof said. "This is a sort of once-in-a-lifetime, once-in-a-career experience; for a show that's still performing for the network to allow us to end it is a tremendous gift."

"We came up with the final image of the show a long time ago, when we were first planning out the mythology of the first season," Cuse said. "And then we started adding elements to that as we went along. And, really, ... between the first and second season was when we cooked the mythology ... and we kind of knew what the endpoint was. But as you move to the endpoint, you add elements. And obviously the end is not yet written. And there are certain ... mythological architectural elements that are intact for that. But a lot of the character stuff will get worked out as we go along."

Lost returns Feb. 2 with a two-hour premiere, starting at 9 p.m. ET/PT, and will air Tuesdays at 9.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bethie on January 13, 2010, 11:49:34 PM
Quote from: Derek on January 08, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
I never paid attention to Lost before 2 months ago, when I was lent the season one dvd. Since then I've crammed all the rest of it including season 5 in a day and a half. I'm having trouble remembering what life was like before it. I also wonder if I would have stuck with if it if I had watched it week to week on regular tv. Love it. Love it love it love it.

yeah, all i do is talk about lost now. i have nightmares pretty much every single night. i'm into season 3 now. i gave up making predictions. i've been too wrong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on January 15, 2010, 05:53:03 PM
Yeah, some say it got off to a slow start, but I guess I didn't notice it as much because I was able to watch them back to back on dvd. I really enjoyed that season and without spoiling anything, it has a terrific season finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on January 21, 2010, 01:37:58 AM
The plane crash in real time!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKcKtjrL5bc
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 22, 2010, 06:29:01 PM
Jacob's nemesis returning to 'Lost'
Titus Welliver will appear in second part of final season
Source: Hollywood Reporter

With "Lost" fans eager for answers in the final season of the ABC drama, at least one of the show's mystery may get resolved: Who is Jacob's nemesis?

Titus Welliver, who played a mysterious character in Season 5, is set to reprise his role in the second part of "Lost's" sixth season, which premieres Feb. 2.

Jacob's nemesis (aka Man in Black), who last appeared in Season 5's finale, is an inhabitant of the Island who had spent a century looking for ways to kill Jacob (Mark Pellegrino) until finally succeeding in 2007 by assuming the appearance of the dead John Locke (Terry O'Quinn) and persuading Benjamin Linus (Michael Emerson) to stab Jacob.

The Man is Black's name, identity, motives, backstory and bone of contention with Jacob were never revealed, leading to a flurry of speculation among "Lost" fans about who he really is.

Paradigm-repped Welliver recurs on CBS' freshman drama "The Good Wife" as scheming District Attorney Glenn Childs and also recently did an arc on the FX drama "Sons of Anarchy."

A number of castaways will be returning to the island for "Lost's" final season.

The show's showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse recently said Harold Perrineau and Cynthia Watros are coming back to reprise their roles.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 25, 2010, 05:21:59 PM
The 100 questions Lost better answer or we'll be pissed
Source: SciFi Wire

The Powers That Be over at Lost have been saying that the sixth and final season will answer our questions—most of them, anyway—while it changes the game for our favorite mysterious island survivors. Well, we've compiled a list of things they'd better answer. Or else.

To recap: Jack's theory that setting off the bomb would reset everything and keep the plane from crashing in the first place is as good as any theory we've heard about the island or the survivors since the show started.

According to the producers, actors who played dead characters are returning. Juliet hit that bomb and the screen went white. Could resetting things in 1977 reset Jacob's death?

Well, call us skeptical, but we're thinking it isn't that easy. After all, they've got 18 hours of Lost to fill, and there's a whole heap of questions that better be answered or the producers will not be able to find a time-traveling island to take them far enough away or a hatch deep enough to hide out in. In fact, if they don't give us some satisfying answers, even death will not protect them from our wrath. We will haunt them or ghostbust them if we have to.

So just to be fair, Damon Lindelof, Carlton Cuse, J.J. Abrams and all of Lost's writers and producers, here is a list of questions we want answered ... and those answers had better start happening on premiere night, Tuesday, Feb. 2, aka Groundhog Day, or we'll be as mad as a polar bear stuck on a tropical island or a smoke monster without a cigarette.

And we'll be keeping track, starting the night after the season premiere and every week after that, to see just how many of these questions get answers.

Do you have others? Post them in the comment section, and if enough of you want them answered, we'll add them to the list.

Here are our initial 100 questions the producers had better answer:

1. Who is Jacob?
2. Is he good or is he evil?
3. How old is he?
4. What's up with the Loophole Guy?
5. Why does he need a loophole, and which one did he find?
6. Why does the Loophole Guy hate Jacob?
7. Is Jacob really dead?
8. Is Locke dead?
9. Is Juliet dead?
10. Did Jughead really blow up when the screen turned to white?
11. Why would the other survivors follow Jack's crackpot plan anyway?
12. Seriously, who says yes to blowing up the island to restart time anyway?
13. If so, did time reset and keep the Oceanic 815 from crashing?
14. Will Juliet and Sawyer find each other again if it did?
15. Will Kate and Jack finally get their act together and find true love?
16. What kind of damage would an explosion from a hydrogen bomb create?
17. And what the heck does any of this have to do with the survivors?
18. What's the deal with the four-toed statue?
19. If it was really a statue of the Egyptian goddess Taweret, why was it built?
20. Who broke it?
21. Why did Jacob live beneath it?
22. What happened to Ben's friend Annie?
23. Why does Dr. Pierre Chang use aliases?
24. What's the smoke monster?
25. Why does it have a taste for some people and not others?
26. What's up with the ash around Jacob's cabin?
27. Who broke the ash circle, and what does that mean?
28. How was the cabin able to change locations?
29. Why did Jacob stop using the cabin?
30. Why did the Oceanic Six have to go back?
31. Why did Miles decide to stay on the island?
32. What's up with the blast door map?
33. What happened to Claire?
34. Why did psychic Richard Malkin insist Claire raise Aaron?
35. What's up with Claire's implant?
36. Who is Richard Alpert really, and why doesn't he age?
37. How or why does the island heal people?
38. What's going on with the pregnancies?
39. What's the deal with Christian?
40. Why doesn't he just go off and be dead and leave Jack alone?
41. Who are Adam and Eve, the skeletons found in the caves?
42. What did the black and white stones on their bodies mean?
43. Why did DHARMA and the Others allow Rousseau's distress signal to continue to be transmitted?
44. Are Hurley's numbers really cursed?
45. Why is Walt special?
46. Why did Walt warn Locke not to open the hatch?
47. What happened to Walt in Room 23?
48. Why did Walt appear to other survivors dripping wet?
49. Why'd they kill off Charlie? We liked Charlie!
50. Will Charlie be back?
51. What's up with Libby?
52. Why was she a patient at Santa Rosa?
53. Why did she end up in Australia and on board Flight 815?
54. How much did it suck that Libby was killed before Hurley could get lucky?
55. Where does the donkey wheel come from?
56. How does it work?
57. How did Desmond get his clothes blown off after the hatch implosion?
58. How did Locke and Eko escape?
59. How did Penelope know to look for a magnetic anomaly?
60. How did Ben really become the leader of the Others?
61. Who's on Jacob's list, and what does it mean?
62. Why did Jacob diss Ben by not communicating with him while he was leader?
63. What's up with the Temple?
64. Why does Ben say that the Temple is for Others only?
65. Does the Monster have a connection with the Temple?
66. Was the ship that Jacob and Loophole Guy see sailing the Black Rock?
67. How did the ship end up in the middle of the jungle?
68. What happened to the crew?
69. Why is the ship's log important to Charles Widmore?
70. What are Widmore's plans for the island?
71. Who built the Lamp Post?
72. How did Eloise become the caretaker of the station?
73. Does Widmore know about it?
74. What's up with Charles Widmore, anyway?
75. Does he suck as a dad, or what?
76. What happened to the people the Others kidnapped?
77. What's up with the whispers?
78. Who's whispering?
79. Why did Jacob go touch each of the survivors in the past?
80. Why were these survivors chosen?
81. Why didn't Jacob try to protect himself when Ben stabbed him?
82. What is Ilana's connection to Jacob?
83. What favor did he ask of her?
84. Why did she order the cabin to be burned?
85. How much does she really know about the island?
86. What is Frank a candidate for?
87. Why did the supply drops continued after the Purge?
88. How do they find the island to make those drops?
89. Who is Henry Gale really, and how did he break his neck?
90. Who buried him?
91. Why isn't the island done with Desmond yet?
92. Who did the glass eye belong to, and why was it left in the Arrow?
93. What's up with the trouble between Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore?
94. How did the feud start between Ben and Widmore?
95. What are the Rules?
96. How did the death of Alex change the Rules?
97. Will Sun and Jin ever get a chance to live happily ever after?
98. Will any of the survivors get a chance to live happily ever after?
99. Will the smoke monster get a chance to live happily ever after?
100. Will we be satisfied with the way Lost ends?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on January 26, 2010, 09:45:23 PM
They're showing the last year's season finale before next week's premiere. Just looking at the ash around where Jacob's cabin was supposed to be, I'd wonder if its the smoke monster laying inert?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bethie on January 27, 2010, 01:09:36 AM
I'm never going to get through season 4 and 5 before the season premiere next week. every time I watch an episode my friend turns to me and asks "what do you think is going to happen." I don't really care. Half the episodes remind me of Twilight Zone. the others listening to Jacob? a man no one knows or sees. That's a Twilight Zone episode!! Desmond is becoming my fav character since jack turned queer.


jack's ex wife is the wife on the show Modern Family!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 27, 2010, 02:32:31 AM
She'll always be Carol Vessey to me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 29, 2010, 01:04:38 PM
MAJOR SPOILERS!

here it is folks, the first scene of the Lost Premiere, get it while it's there! (if you dare!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnwNS94KVnw
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 29, 2010, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: polkablues on January 27, 2010, 02:32:31 AM
She'll always be Carol Vessey Virginia Venit to me.

though I had to look up her last name on IMDB
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 29, 2010, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: picolas on January 03, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
someone had better leak that shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krx_6E4B1x8
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 29, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
damn.. i cannot watch that until it's actually on television now. this only applies to that exact clip/moment, though. keep leaking shit, everyone.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 29, 2010, 08:34:29 PM
it's really just a disguised promo from ABC, so i didn't feel bad linking it. i can't believe we're only a few days away from the last Lost premiere ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on January 30, 2010, 12:23:33 AM
So the last season will be "Home and away"?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on February 01, 2010, 08:49:03 PM
 Lost Season 6 & Complete Collection Blu-ray Dated
Posted January 30, 2010 04:48 AM by Juan Calonge

   
The sixth season of the TV phenomenon Lost doesn't even premiere until next Tuesday, and it already has a Blu-ray release date. TV Shows on DVD (citing information posted on Ingram Entertainment's VideoETA website) is reporting that, on August 24, Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment will release both Lost: The Complete Sixth and Final Season and the mammoth Lost: The Complete Collection, with exclusive bonus content.

Special features for Lost: The Complete Sixth and Final Season include:
Original scripted content that goes deeper into some of the stories, exclusive to Blu-ray and DVD produced by Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse
Bloopers and deleted Scenes
Lost on Location - Go behind-the-scenes and get the stories from the set, on location in Hawaii from the actors and crew who make it happen.
Crafting a Final Season - Investigation into the goals and expectations of the season through interviews with writers, producers, cast, and crew
Audio commentaries
Lost University (BD-exclusive, powered by BD-Live)
Lost: The Complete Collection will include an additional bonus disc with at least two hours of extra exclusive content. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 02, 2010, 05:30:16 PM
Lost creator on Juliet and why you won't guess what's next
Source: SciFi Wire

The creators of ABC's Lost have been tight-lipped about what to expect as the sixth and final season kicks off tonight, but we got co-creator Damon Lindelof to give us a few tiny spoilers.

Lindelof confirmed that he never intended to write Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) out of the show just because she fell down a hole and blew up a bomb at the end of last season. But he had to sell her on returning for guest appearances after she signed to play the lead in ABC's other sci-fi series, V, he said last month in an interview in Pasadena, Calif.

"We can say that she is going to be on the show this season a couple of times," Lindelof said. "Obviously because of the success of V and because she shoots it in Canada, we've been a little bit limited in how much we can use her [Lost shoots in Hawaii]. But the good news is she's been amazing in letting us execute our version of the show with her, and that's something that we presented to her when we told her, 'Hey, you're falling into a hole and sustaining some rather significant injuries, and we've got some plans for you in the next season that will allow you to go and do another show, but we hope you continue to stay with us for a little bit.' She was awesome."

You'd think with all the fans guessing how Lost will end, someone has to be right. Sort of like an infinite number of monkeys typing: One of them's going to write Hamlet. Lindelof is not worried that anyone has stumbled onto his grand plan.

"My hope is that, certainly by the time we do the finale, plenty of people will be thinking about it, and they will feel enormously gratified that they guessed it right," Lindelof conceded. "I think that there are people who have certainly figured out significant pieces of what we want to do in the final season, but they did not have enough information yet. We withheld key evidence, so if you're trying to figure out who killed Professor Plum but we haven't shown you that the candlestick is even a potential murder weapon yet, you can't get it."

Five years and you still don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, but that's about to change. "Starting with the season premiere this year, the remaining clues necessary to figure out where we're going to end the show are going to begin falling into place," Lindelof said. "We've posited the questions. We just haven't given you enough information to figure out what the answers might be."

Look for our weekly recap of questions answered starting tomorrow!

Lost returns tonight at 8 p.m. ET/PT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiqDrsgXsKc
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 02, 2010, 10:31:43 PM
um, :sleeping:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on February 03, 2010, 12:02:29 AM
Thought it got off to a slow start, but part II was great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 03, 2010, 04:48:11 AM
SPOILERS.

flashback. flashforward. time travel.... what time-centric storytelling device is left?

alternate universes. how did i not think of that. BRILLIANT.

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpostlapsarian.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F06%2Fsliding_doors.jpg&hash=92103814191623df5ec94df50a6a0207c04fb7a9)

the bit where smoke talked about locke was pretty great. and locke and jack being friends. i love this device.

why the fuck is the island under water? and why was the music acting like we should have some idea???
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 03, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
Thought this was great. Love how the show can keep me guessing. Hardly a snooze. Really loved the flashsideways reality.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 03, 2010, 10:49:06 AM
EW: The whole idea of flash-sideways and the plan to use season 6 to show us a world where Oceanic 815 never crashed — how long has that been in the works? Why did you want to do it?
DAMON LINDELOF: It's been in play for at least a couple of years. We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the "do-over moment" thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn't work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn't it be great if we did both? That was the origin of the story.
CARLTON CUSE: We thought just doing one [of those options] would inherently not be satisfying. Since the very beginning of the show, characters started crossing through each other's stories. Part of our desire [in season 6] is to show that there's still this kind of weave, that these characters still would have impacted each other's lives even without the event of crashing on the Island. Obviously, the big question of the season is going to be: How do these [two timelines] reconcile? However, for the fans who have not watched the show closely, that's an intact narrative. You can just watch the flash sideways — they stand alone all by themselves. For the fans who are more deeply embedded in the show, you can watch those flash sideways, compare them to what transpired in the flashbacks and go, "Oh, that's an interesting difference."
LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you're not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we're trying to do there is basically say to you, "God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they're so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes." But they don't stop to think, "If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?" So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they've sunken the Island. That's our way of saying, "Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you're not expecting." Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren't. Shannon's not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don't see. Where's Libby? Where's Ana Lucia? Where's Eko? These are all the things that you're supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the "What if?" scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we're embracing those things.

That said, are you saying definitively that detonating Jughead was the event that created this new timeline? Or is that a mystery which the season 6 story will reveal?
LINDELOF: It's a mystery. A big one.
CUSE: We did have some concern that it might be confusing kind of going into the season. To clear that up a little bit: The archetypes of the characters are the same and that's the most significant thing. Kate is still a fugitive. If you were to look at the Comic-Con video, for instance, that now comes into play. There was a different scenario in that story. She basically blew up an apprentice plumber as opposed to killing her biological father/stepfather. Those kind of differences exist, but who the characters fundamentally are is the same. If it becomes too confusing for you, you can just follow the flash sideways for what they are. It's not as though there's narrative that hangs on the fact that you need to know that this event was different in that world, in the flashback world versus the sideways world. That's not critical for being able to process the narrative this season.

Is there a relationship between Island reality and sideways reality? Will they run parallel for the remainder of the season? Will they fuse together? Might one fade away?
LINDELOF: For us, the big risk that we're taking in the final season of the show is basically this very question. [Lindelof then explains the show has replaced the trademark "whoosh!" sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world.] This is the critical mystery of the season, which is, "What is the relationship between these two shows?" And we don't use the phrase "alternate reality," because to call one of them an "alternate reality" is to infer that one of them isn't real, or one of them is real and the other is the alternate to being real.
CUSE: But the questions you're asking are exactly the right questions. What are we to make of the fact that they're showing us two different timelines? Are they going to resolve? Are they going to connect? Are they going to co-exist in parallel fashion? Are they going to cross? Do they intersect? Does one prove to be viable and the other one not? I think those are all the kind of speculations that are the right speculations to be having at this point in the season.
LINDELOF: But it is going to require patience. We've taught the audience how to be patient thus far, so while they're getting a lot of mythological answers on the island early in the season, this idea of what is the relationship between the two [worlds] is a little bit more of a slow burn.

Did Jughead really sink the Island? And is it possible that the Sideways characters are now caught in a time loop in which they might have to go back in time and fulfill the obligation to continuity by detonating the bomb?
LINDELOF: These questions will be dealt with on the show. Should you infer that the detonation of Jughead is what sunk the island? Who knows? But there's the Foot. What do you get when you see that shot? It looks like New Otherton got built. These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when the Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: season 6 is not about time travel. It's about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we're interested in this year.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 03, 2010, 01:09:34 PM
I was fairly shitfaced last night so I need to watch this again. But here's the thing - through much of season 4 and all of season 5 (which let's face it, pretty much sucked) I've found myself less invested because I don't feel like there are any real stakes anymore. I mean christ how many times has Sayid been shot? When your characters can be reborn and die and reborn again, a main character taking a bullet and another falling down a power station doesn't have the same shock and awe it once did.

I wouldn't label the alternate universe thing brilliant (not yet anyway) but it will be interesting to see how they merge these two worlds. One thing that's not interesting is the new others at the Temple. These motherfucks better not monopolize what - need I remind you - is the LAST. FUCKING. SEASON. I did not waste this many hours of life investing in a set of characters only to get to the end and have to get to know yet another set of fuckwits who do nothing but rob precious screen time away from the primary characters I actually do care about. It's too late to be doing this shit. It took me forever to come around to Faraday (and what happens when I finally do start to like him? They kill the son of a bitch) and I'm still trying to find room to care about Jacob but that's all I can manage. Seriously, no one else. I am out of empathy. These other others may quickly devolve into mere background fodder and this could all be a moot point, but I'm warning everyone now - I am not on board with this.

And another thing. What is going on with costumes and set-design and everything looking fake as shit. That temple felt like a ride at Disney World. And don't get me started on that underwater CGI sequence. Good god.





Can't wait for next week though!






Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on February 03, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
I have a theory... the flashsideways thing is not really a flashsideway, it's still a flashback. This time to the mid-to-late nineties. I base this on the extreme shitiness of the CGI of the underwater sequence, it must have been to convey the feel of 1995 (especially the shark)

I didn't even finish the second episode, I'm done with Lost. Sorry, but all seasons after the first were just a major letdown. There were some genius episodes scaterred around, yes, but as a whole it is ruined.

This series would have been the best classic ever had it been made in the UK where they care about quality and not just $$$.

Edit: What I mean by that is 5-6 episodes seasons if there is only material for 5-6 episodes. Not the absolute cheapest set-designs, worst than TV shows made in Burkina Faso. Not episode made of 99% filler.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 03, 2010, 06:23:52 PM
i DID think the temple looked a little too clean, the outer wall was always so ominous looking. loved seeing saul star as the interpreter. oh, and interestingly enough, he translated "your friend is dead" incorrectly. the leader guy actually said something more to the effect of "he's empty". (my japanese friends are finally coming in handy)

fake Locke's scene about the real John Locke was weird to watch, and genuinely heartbreaking. Jacob isn't all that interesting because i don't believe that to be the real body of jacob (just like Locke being the smoke monster). when hurley asked him "how did you die" i think his answer "i was killed by an old friend who grew tired of my company" or something like that. was referring to the body he was occupying, not himself.  just a thought.

i'm still on board, and the underwater sequence wasn't THAT bad. the sub going underwater in last years finale was much worse.

we'll see!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 03, 2010, 07:00:11 PM
It was a good episode, I guess.  It worked better to get me intrigued about how the hell they're going to pull this all together than it did as an actual episode.  I kept getting distracted by the totally out of control commercial-to-show ratio.  It was like watching an American Idol results show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 04, 2010, 12:18:29 AM
The end is nigh: Lost finale date set
Source: SciFi Wire

The sixth and final season of ABC's Lost has just kicked off, and now ABC is saying when it will end: May 23.

That's a Sunday, when the two-hour series finale will air starting at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

Following is the official announcement.


"LOST" SERIES FINALE EVENT SET FOR SUNDAY, MAY 23 ON ABC

Finale to Air on a Special Night, Sunday, May 23 from 9:00-11:00 p.m., ET,
Preceded by a Recap Special from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET

Stephen McPherson, president, ABC Entertainment Group, today announced the "Lost" series finale date, airing as a primetime event on a special night on Sunday, May 23 from 9:00-11:00 p.m., ET. Preceding the finale will be a recap special from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET.

"Lost is an example of what happens when you put creativity above everything else, trust the creative vision, and take the risks required to be truly original," said McPherson. "It's a testament to staying true to the creative vision of one of the most iconic shows ever on television, and we're giving the producers an unprecedented opportunity to respect the fans and really satisfy the viewers with a spectacular conclusion."

The critically acclaimed, hit drama premiered on September 22, 2004. The series was nominated for numerous awards and was a 2008 recipient of the prestigious Peabody Award, and awarded the 2005 Emmy and 2006 Golden Globe for Best Drama Series. At the end of its sixth and final season, "Lost" will have aired 114 episodes (121 episodic hours).

Executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse appeared on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live" after "Lost's" season premiere on Tuesday, February 2 (12:05 a.m., ET) to discuss the upcoming season.

Oceanic Air flight 815 tore apart in mid-air and crashed on a Pacific island, leaving 48 passengers alive and stranded on a remote island in the South Pacific. The survivors include a diverse group of people from different walks of life -- a doctor, an escaped fugitive, a con man, an Iraqi interrogator, a married Korean couple and a man formerly confined to a wheelchair who is now inexplicably healed. As the castaways attempt to get home, flashbacks (and forwards) illuminate their troubled lives before and after the crash, as the island that they find themselves stranded on begins to slowly reveal its mysterious nature. Faith, reason, destiny and free will all clash as the island offers opportunities for both corruption and redemption... but as to its true purpose? That's the greatest mystery of all.

"Lost" stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Ken Leung as Miles, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Terry O'Quinn as Locke and Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana.

"Lost" was created by Jeffrey Lieber and J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof. Abrams, Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Jean Higgins, Elizabeth Sarnoff, Edward Kitsis, Adam Horowitz, Jack Bender and Carlton Cuse serve as executive producers. "Lost," which is filmed entirely on location in Hawaii and premiered on September 22, 2004, is from ABC Studios. For more information on "Lost," visit ABC.com.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 04, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
anyone else notice in the alternate universe sun and jin aren't married? the security lady calls sun "Miss Paik" and they're both not wearing wedding rings. i love that kate lifted jack's pen off of him on the plane, didn't notice that the first time around. oh jack, you sucker.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 05, 2010, 01:16:29 PM
I felt the first episode of this season was overlong. But I realise it had to because they have to cram a lot of information into the episodes this last season. And I also believe that the last episode will be a bit unexpected, people WILL be disappointed. But I love the Jack central part. I think we'll stick with this over the entire season and Jack will meet Christian and... BOOM!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 05, 2010, 03:34:58 PM
Now Preparing for Descent
As Lost enters its final season, a fan worries she's lost her faith.

By Emily Nussbaum
NYMAG

I first watched Lost in a binge, on DVD, shortly after my older son was born. I'd never recommend that anyone acquire a newborn in order to properly enjoy a television show, but this turns out to be an excellent technique, at least if you want to be imprinted on a series, like a duckling on a goose. Up at 2 a.m., 4 a.m., and 6 a.m., with headphones on and the lights low, I experienced the show less as a story than as a loopy, unforgettable dream, the kind that alienates you from strangers when you try to explain the damn thing.

Which is why I was so surprised, and unsettled, when last week's premiere filled me with dread. What was this wild goose that I had been chasing so loyally for five seasons? Lost is almost finished, with sixteen episodes to go, and I, like any fan, was relieved when ABC set an end date: Now the writers could hammer out a true conclusion, without any more episodes analyzing Jack's tattoos. They could do a conclusive shake-up on their highly original mix of genres: comic-book cliff-hangers set in a surreal symbol-scape, puzzle-box thriller plots mingling with sci-fi fantasy, plus the moody vibe of a video game like Myst, with its Easter-egg hints and quests. The result was less a traditional TV series than a skillful magic show, designed to be an Internet-age phenomenon, with fans happily mob-solving its most elaborate tricks.

Yet the thing that initially attracted me to Lost during the first few seasons was not the structural experimentation but the characters, with their psychic wounds and dreams of escape: Sawyer's quest for vengeance, Sun and Jin's marital tensions, and especially John Locke, one of the strangest and most original characters on television, a man who was hoodwinked out of a kidney, who was shoved through a window, who had spent his life in a frustrated, quasi-spiritual desire to be chosen and special. Later on, we met Ben and Juliet, villains with nuance and charm. (I was a particular fan of Juliet, whose cold affect hid a great backstory, about an abused woman who develops manipulative coping skills that rival those of her captor.)

Maybe the writers themselves developed manipulative coping skills. A show can be held captive by its own success, as the audience, roaring for action, smashes at the narrative piñata. But what if what is on the inside is just some stale candy? I have enormous admiration for the experimental quality of Lost, which has taken savvy risks with each season—a leap off the island! Time travel!—but my love was always fueled by the sense that there was something more perverse, more adult, buried beneath, that the show had something to say about guilt, about the way society (and individuals) re-form after a crisis.

Now I'm worried those themes are gone for good, that the island is just a chess game played by Egyptian gods, and within that chess game, a pissing match between a coldly scheming CEO and a warmly scheming weasel, Ben, the last great character left. Locke is dead, his fantastic arc brought to a satisfying (and grim) conclusion. Sawyer resolved his central conflict over two years ago, when he killed Locke's dad. Juliet is dead, too, having first been shriveled from a fascinatingly ambiguous player into a beatific sacrificial sweetheart—along with Charlotte, Ana Lucia, Naomi, Rousseau, Penny, and Libby, spunky women reduced to love interests or unceremoniously offed. (Kate is still around, but I wasn't thrilled when she was redeemed by motherhood last year—at least in the current season, she's back to her pen-stealing, con-chick ways.)

I don't want to be the viewer who watches with her eyebrow raised; it's more fun to be a fan. But narrative playfulness isn't meaningful unless it rests on a something real—the way it did in the great chronology-shuffling movies of the last decade, like Memento and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which resonated with deeper ideas about identity and the nature of love. Lost's creators designed the lovable Hurley (and sometimes the annoying Arzt) as their stand-ins for an audience of demanding nerds. But right now, I'm praying I don't end up like Locke, that crazy bastard who just wanted to know that the path he followed had some meaning and who ended up instead with the saddest possible thought: "I don't understand."

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 05, 2010, 07:02:27 PM
really well-written article but she's completely missing the point of the first episode. it is 100% still about people reforming themselves after crisis/tragedy. it's about how tragedies can make us stronger, less damaged, more whole. by showing us how far these people have come.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 06, 2010, 12:39:23 AM
I think her fears are real and totally legitimate, but in the end, these guys have created a series around these characters, and they are going to resolve it with these characters. When Jack comes into play in the end, it will be wholly fulfilling, I can feel it. I feel like they are brilliant storytellers bad at filling in the gaps. When we fill a gap and get to the next great point, it is ultimately rewarding, despite the means to get there. The show's flaw this season is it having so much to unravel and reveal that it will do so in a way that will often disappoint, I'm sure. But at the end, we'll be satisfied, but maybe we'll demand shows in the future be a bit better planned.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 10, 2010, 12:04:32 AM
There is a billion commercials in these episodes... I don't think this was such a good episode, but every minute left is priceless right now. There is some good stuff happening but they need to move faster!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 10, 2010, 07:17:32 AM
Quote from: kal on February 10, 2010, 12:04:32 AM
There is some good stuff happening but they need to move faster!!!!!

No kidding! I sometimes feel like they're a bunch of fucking slackers who wait until the last minute to write these episodes, and by the time they're making it, it's too late to realize "Oh shit, NOTHING HAPPENED in that episode." Either that or they really think that was a good episode, in which case yeesh!

What Kate Does = [Sawyer mopes around + Claire has nonsensical motivation x (credit card + don't get in the cab!) - (Jack swallowing pill/learned nothing from Dogen) + Throwing ring in lakecliche] x Kate will never not be boring

Edit: BTW that polaroid of Claire being all "wazzzzup" about her baby was probably the most laughable, fucking stupid thing the show's ever done. Who thought that looked good?

Also if there is a bunch of weird evil Rousseau types walking around, why are they trying to squeeze this in at the last possible minute?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 10, 2010, 08:40:05 AM
So agree. There is no excuse for this kind of sloppiness, not at this stage of the game. Lindelof/Cuse and co. should know better.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on February 10, 2010, 09:29:25 AM
so i havn't seen this since like the season that ended with a flash-forward episode. years ago.

i just wanna say that it's been so long that none of these posts in the last year hav made any sense and i've always been reading just for general impressions to see if the show's gone to shit or whatever. what i've noticed is that EVERY season has a few episodes where everyone gets massively infuriated with the writers for either moving too slow ("NOTHING HAPPENED!") or moving too fast ("TOO MUCH HAPPENED!"). so i'm not really suprised that the show has jumped the shark yet again. let's just hope that the roulette of quality lands on a fucking excellent spot for the home stretch.

just thought i'd share my observations from my position as a formerly obsessed Lost fan, now regular dude with passive interest and secret desire to catch up on dvd a couple weeks before the final final final finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
It's funny because everyone ALWAYS gets a bug up the A about a "slower" episode and then they LOVE the show again on or two episodes later.  Why not let go?

Was this really sloppy?
All the things everyone's bitching about are probably going to pay off at least a little and the stuff that WASN'T good is just par for the course... you take the bad with the good and with Lost, the good is always more present than the bad.

I don't get Gamblour's equation (why did it start with the equal sign?  It seemed like you have it out of order), but since it's loaded with complaints, I'll add (more confusing math) my two Cs.

"Sawyer mopes around"and "throwing ring in lake" - This is clearly an important part of Sawyer this season, he's lost someone he loved and it's going to affect him.  We have to see something that big played out... it's important.  It will either lead to him doing something unexpected or he's going to forget about her and move on.  Either way, if we didn't have this episode to show this step in his arc, everyone would be bitching too. 
and you're right about the cliche, but in television, sometimes you have to use cliches to get a point across... it's T.V., not HBO.

"Claire has nonsensical motivation x (credit card + don't get in the cab!) " - I was bugged by this at first, but slow down the anger at not getting a season finale by the second episode and consider that it might make sense.  There may still be a connection between all these characters in this alternate universe.  Claire doesn't really know Kate, but she may still retain a subconscious trust and sense of warmth for her that carried over from the Island world.  This could be wrong and if so, you're right, the motivation was dumb, but we don't know yet.

"Jack swallowing pill/learned nothing from Dogen" (is that division?) - he did though, right?  He learned that they were trying to kill Sawyer with the pill.

"polaroid of Claire" - I think the picture is realistic... Claire is young, she would totally pose like that.  It's a little strange that she would carry around that picture of herself, but it's far from the "Stupidest thing Lost has ever done"

Claire/Rousseau - why do you say "a bunch" and why are they squeezing it in at the last minute?  Claire has been missing for a long time... this is what has become of her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 10, 2010, 03:53:07 PM
RK is right and everyone preceding him is wrong.  This was a really good episode, much stronger than the premiere.  Sawyer's arc over the course of the show has been one of the least expected and most satisfying parts of the series, and his scenes in this last episode were some of his strongest of all.  

RK is also right about the motivations in the sideways world.  They're giving us a lot of little indications that the characters, on some subconscious level, retain some knowledge of their connections to each other.  This will no doubt pay off big as we go through the season.

People have no patience anymore, it's ridiculous.  I blame energy drinks.

EDIT: I just remembered the one truly hilarious part of the episode, which was the Other that went out after Sawyer with Kate and Jin and Mac from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, who physically could not stop himself from giving away information that was supposed to be secret.  Sample dialogue -- JIN: "Tell me where the other plane is." MAC: "I don't know what you're talking about." CINDY BRADY: "Oh, do you mean the plane that recently landed on the runway over on the other side of the island?  Ajira Airways flight 316 from Los Angeles to Guam?  The one with--" MAC: "SHUT UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP! Shut up! Will you SHUT UP SHUT UP! SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT UP... SHUT UP!!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 10, 2010, 04:52:35 PM
I'll admit there were some interesting seeds planted in this otherwise meddling, filler episode. But this has nothing to do with attention span. When I say sloppiness I'm talking about how LOST seems to have no regard for basic storytelling tenants like character motivation, which across the board has been scattershot for the past couple seasons now. These bitches wander around all wide-eyed and mouth-breathy only to get a fire lit underneath their asses out of nowhere. I'm not talking about Sawyer, who I agree has one of the better arcs right now, but take Kate. She is by far one of the most inconsistent, schizo characters on tv right now, as is Jack. I don't think this is par for the course because their arcs in the early seasons were more coherently executed.



Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on February 10, 2010, 06:31:39 PM
Quote from: ©brad on February 05, 2010, 03:34:58 PM
it's more fun to be a fan.

it is.

the tomb stuff is growing a bit tiresome though. some ultimate filler garbage up in the tomb moments.

and everything spoken by the tomb guys leaves everyone (in and out of the damn show) more clueless than they were prior to coming upon the tomb. still IN the damn tomb, BTW?? got it, laying down pieces for something later, but in two episodes weve already grown staggeringly tired of every word that comes from the henchman who pointlessly interprets speech from the tomb leader guy who looks like the dude who played a henchman in every 80's action movie.

Quote from: ©brad on February 05, 2010, 03:34:58 PM
it's more fun to be a fan.


it is more enjoyable to just roll with the bad cos in most episodes the good does outweigh the bad. ill put up with weak bits like: (and i did just get back from a trip that required me to be Clooneyed in the air quite a bit so this might seem a bit more slapdash to me) handicap Locke sitting midway down the aisle on the plane/last one to exit in wheelchair, women's bathroom at LAX being completely empty for long period of time..but cant pardon exchanges of dialogue such as:

Hurley: Dude, are you a zombie?
Sayid: No, I'm not a zombie.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 10, 2010, 07:50:45 PM
Quote from: Pozer on February 10, 2010, 06:31:39 PM
but cant pardon exchanges of dialogue such as:

Hurley: Dude, are you a zombie?
Sayid: No, I'm not a zombie.

Not that this will justify it as good dialogue, but it was a tongue-in-cheek reference to this (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Joke_script_pages#Zombies).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 10, 2010, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
It's funny because everyone ALWAYS gets a bug up the A about a "slower" episode and then they LOVE the show again on or two episodes later.  Why not let go?

I'm not some baseball fan hating the team when it's down and loving it when it's winning. I love Lost. And at this point, I have let go. I don't constantly speculate like I used to. It's not worth the effort. They either have this shit wrapped up, or they don't. And when boring fillers like "What Kate Does" happen, it makes me think they are wasting my time and can't write a good episode to save their lives (Horowitz and Kitsis specifically)

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
Was this really sloppy?
All the things everyone's bitching about are probably going to pay off at least a little and the stuff that WASN'T good is just par for the course... you take the bad with the good and with Lost, the good is always more present than the bad.

Overall, the show is like 70/30 good to bad. But this episode was, I think, 20/80. What does Kate do? Drives Claire to a house to meet a new character that doesn't even begin to answer the question "why shouldn't Aaron be raised by another?" It just presents a trite situation (her contraction) to meet Ethan for a bit of yuk-yuks at what the might-have-been universe presents.

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
I don't get Gamblour's equation (why did it start with the equal sign?  It seemed like you have it out of order), but since it's loaded with complaints, I'll add (more confusing math) my two Cs.
Equations often start with the variable first. x=2y+1 is still an equation.

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
"Sawyer mopes around"and "throwing ring in lake" - This is clearly an important part of Sawyer this season, he's lost someone he loved and it's going to affect him.  We have to see something that big played out... it's important.  It will either lead to him doing something unexpected or he's going to forget about her and move on.  Either way, if we didn't have this episode to show this step in his arc, everyone would be bitching too. 
and you're right about the cliche, but in television, sometimes you have to use cliches to get a point across... it's T.V., not HBO.

But why just see Sawyer mope around? There is literally one scene where he walks from one house to another and doesn't say a word. How about presenting some motivation through action? By doing something. That would be getting the point across. But instead the resort to dull scenes and a cliche moment. That is bad writing.

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
"Claire has nonsensical motivation x (credit card + don't get in the cab!) " - I was bugged by this at first, but slow down the anger at not getting a season finale by the second episode and consider that it might make sense.  There may still be a connection between all these characters in this alternate universe.  Claire doesn't really know Kate, but she may still retain a subconscious trust and sense of warmth for her that carried over from the Island world.  This could be wrong and if so, you're right, the motivation was dumb, but we don't know yet.

I understand that they're trying to draw a connection between 'past life' knowledge and the alt reality, and the two of them bonding and having a sense of trust without understanding why is a great connection to suggest. BUT "here's my credit card" and "I'll accept a ride from a known felon on the lam" far outweighs, to me, the same sense of connection shared between Jack and Desmond on the plane. That was far more subtle, far more convincing than these radical gestures on the part of Claire.

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
"Jack swallowing pill/learned nothing from Dogen" (is that division?) - he did though, right?  He learned that they were trying to kill Sawyer with the pill.
Yes, it was division. Sorry I wrote it fast, was trying to suggest that the awesomeness of Jack swallowing the pill was undermined by the fact that we learned next to nothing from Dogen, except that Sayid is 'infected' or 'claimed.' We all knew that last week.

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
"polaroid of Claire" - I think the picture is realistic... Claire is young, she would totally pose like that.  It's a little strange that she would carry around that picture of herself, but it's far from the "Stupidest thing Lost has ever done"
It may be realistic, but it's just a polaroid and the fact that it was laughable was distracting to its overall point, to show Kate that Claire has a picture of her pregnant for her daughter to see in the future. Why not looking excited or sweet and motherly rather than "fuck yeah, check out dis baby bump"

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
Claire/Rousseau - why do you say "a bunch" and why are they squeezing it in at the last minute?  Claire has been missing for a long time... this is what has become of her.

A bunch includes Sayid too. Last minute because there are 15 hours of show left. They have only very scarcely suggested the idea of infection before, but many seasons ago when Rousseau refers to the other team members being 'infected.' I'm probably wrong on this one, as it probably will become pretty important in the next episode.

I just included it because it seemed like further proof that they are very bad at organizing and presenting the information and facts and arcs of their story in a way that's rewarding and pleasant for the audience. I think we can all agree on that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 11, 2010, 01:28:08 AM
i'm just going to say it wasn't a good episode, but a lot of the things that were teased are pretty exciting. it's all about crazy claire. i like that she's NEVER left the island. pretty sad.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 11, 2010, 01:56:58 AM
sawyer, jin, hurley and a few others also never left the island...

its crazy when you try to be realistic about the timeline and what these people went through. how long has it been now since jack, kate and the oceanic 6 came back to the island? and then it was 3 years since they first left. a lot of shit has happened. the fact that we have been watching this for six years and that the timeline on the island and the show is fucked up makes things even more complicated when you try to make sense of what is happening...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 12, 2010, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: kal on February 11, 2010, 01:56:58 AM
sawyer, jin, hurley and a few others also never left the island...

jumbotron was part of the O6.

Quote from: RegularKarate on February 10, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
"Jack swallowing pill/learned nothing from Dogen" (is that division?) - he did though, right?  He learned that they were trying to kill Sawyer Sayid with the pill.

I know you meant to write sayid, just doing this for future reference to your excelent post.

Quote from: Gamblour. on February 10, 2010, 08:59:02 PM
Jack and Desmond on the plane.

that actually was a great little scene, and since faraday said that rules don't apply to him I wonder if desmond is somehow aware of everything, but can he?? they never met, desmond never went sailing cuz charles widmore is dead and of course penny was never born....this shit's crazy.

speaking of faraday, so he was never born too in the alt reality, since his mother croaked with the bomb. and wonder about miles too, what role if any will he play in the alt-reality.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on February 12, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
I don't really agree with the comments that this was an episode where 'nothing happened.' There is no way to know what's relevant and what's not until its all said and done, because no one knows where this is all going.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 12, 2010, 08:21:41 PM
yeah but that's not a valid reason for an episode to suck the first time you watch it. it should still be enjoyable as a mystery.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 16, 2010, 09:18:30 PM
This week's episode was so much better.  Thank God.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on February 17, 2010, 12:17:39 AM
I get a sense that the ending of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is/will be a big influence on this last season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 17, 2010, 06:57:03 AM
This is the first time I'm going to immediately watch an episode a second time because that was SO ENJOYABLE. What a great, well-written episode! Locke's alternate reality, Richard Alpert's frightened appearance, Sawyer nearly falling off the cliff!, the secret cave, the creepy ass names written on the ceiling (with THE NUMBERS!). Every exchange here was fascinating -- "inside joke." Brilliant. And alternate Ben Linus comes off a lot like Dr. Venture, which is fucking hilarious. Loved this episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 17, 2010, 11:16:22 AM
Yeah, it was great.

Love the curve-ball of Locke tossing out Jack's card and ending up meeting Ben instead.

and he's a substitute teacher in a substitute reality.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 17, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
terrific episode, this is why i love lost.

it was nice to see a somewhat happy conclusion to a locke episode (off island anyway), but Helen's probably going to end up dead like she did in the original timeline. ripping up jack's card is getting in the way of destiny, she's gotta go!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 17, 2010, 01:41:06 PM
One thing I didn't notice or think about right away:

- Locke appears to have a decent (or at least different) relationship with his father in Alt Reality. 
He had pictures of him and they considered inviting him to the wedding.
How did Locke lose use of his legs?  How did Locke become such a grumpy gus that led him to meeting Helen if he wasn't peeved at his daddy?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 17, 2010, 01:47:39 PM
Good point, if Sawyer and Locke in alt reality are both happy guys with no daddy issues, then that means there is a relationship between big daddy Sawyer and the island that was disrupted by the bomb. I wonder what?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: squints on February 19, 2010, 04:46:07 AM
Alternative realities, flashbacks, flashforwards, smoke monsters, no sign on the internet of a naked kate....one hundred and seven pages of comments....

I'm on episode 2 of season 2 and it feels like i'm that guy who shows up to the party where everyone took acid 45 minutes ago and i'm just now taking acid to be apart of the group and they're seeing jungles full of polar bears and i'm just getting a tummy ache...

i think i'm gonna quit lost. sorry guys.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 19, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: squints on February 19, 2010, 04:46:07 AM


i think i'm gonna quit lost. sorry guys.

you should be sorry. not for us but for you. stop reading what we post and what happens and just enjoy it. its one of the most fun and entertaining tv shows ever and worth the experience.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 24, 2010, 11:34:48 AM
Enough with these goddamn "THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IS OVER" promos. This fucking show has always answered questions with questions and this season has proven to be no different. It's like a ponzi scheme of questions.

Anyway, save Hurley's grating meta-commentary on the show and all its aggravating cliches, this episode was pretty solid. I like episodes that include a lot of people. I still stand by my conviction that Jack is a meddling pussy and I find his daddy issue subplot boooring, but I liked the other stuff, namely Claire-as-new-Rousseau and the set-up to this impending war between Smokey and Jacob.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on February 24, 2010, 11:11:01 PM
For the first time, I'm concerned I may have higher expectations than the show is going to deliver for a wrap-up. It kind of seems to be idling, and a touch boring. This may be a cause of watching the box sets quickly and taking this new season as it comes though.

What are the thoughts so far?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pedro on February 25, 2010, 11:22:43 AM
Still enjoying the show.  There are lots of ups and downs and I can understand each criticism thrown at it, but I have too much fun with it to take it 100 percent seriously.  One criticism I do have however, is how the music is (over)used.  The score isn't bad, in fact, I think that some of the themes are quite beautiful, but it's mixed so loudly and used so frequently it can't help but hit us over the head every time it comes around.  For example, I had a huge wtf this week when David was shredding at his audition and they faded out his BEAUTIFUL performance to play a really BORING bit of the show's score.  It looked like Jack was moved by the score, not the performance.  Anyway, great show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 25, 2010, 07:48:20 PM
i thought that was a terrible decision too. the score needed to shut up for that part. the cue blunted any goodness from that moment. i love giacchino though.

not a good ep overall. i like the idea of crazy claire but raven isn't quite pulling it off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 25, 2010, 11:02:23 PM
Best Last Line.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 01, 2010, 09:44:08 PM
D'Oh! Lost + The Simpsons = Killer fan art
Source: SciFi Wire

How cool is this Simpson-inspired Lost fan art?

So cool that executive producer Carlton Cuse tweeted: "Love this."

The fan art is one of several images on the Springfield Punx blog (http://springfieldpunx.blogspot.com/), to which we were pointed by The Hollywood Reporter's Live Feed blog.


(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiwire.com%2Fpics%2FLost_Simpsons_fanart.jpg&hash=b2406c74add0bf4b124335aba1c1d55da0fc14f8)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 02, 2010, 09:44:08 PM
Okay it's getting good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 03, 2010, 12:04:44 AM
Jin in the kitchen was a great wtf moment i wasn't prepared for, then i realized this was likely the same kitchen Naomi brough Miles to in season 5, so you can assume Keamy is still working for Widmore.  interesting how in the same episode in season one, Sayid puts Jin in handcuffs over the watch incident, and in this episode he sets him free. yay parallels.

agreed that it finally feels like the ball is rolling.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 03, 2010, 12:23:52 AM
first great episode of the season, and the picture's becoming clearer now, isn't it? It just felt like a good genre piece; both with the alternate reality (as, like, a really great self-contained revenge story) and the main storyline itself (just as a solid action-adventure fantasy story). the show can now officially get away with lines that go something like, "leave. and get as far away from here as you possibly can!". every episode can't be satisfying as ones like tonight, but the best thing lost can do is provide proper context so episodes like this and "the constant" and the season 3 finale can happen.

its also the first episode this season that has compelled me to theorize about where the show is heading. so here's that: the alternate reality, aside from being a slow, slow burn, basically exists to show that these characters lives are fated to intertwine, that they are meant to be together. right? so i basically see this alternate reality taking a different, more compressed, route that will, if you'll allow me quickly pen a piece of fan fiction, result in the two realities ultimately synching up. this will also allow for a really cool episode in which the two realities are only a little bit off and they cut back and forth between the two realities until they synthesize!

see, when the show works, it can make me geek out and write paragraphs like the one above. also, is it smokey or jacob that's the bad one? either way, lost is still good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 03, 2010, 02:31:13 AM
great episode... its getting crazy. i just want to see desmond, widmore, and the other ones that are around there somewhere.

loved the look on kate's face towards the end. she had the same look we all had.

the whole jacob vs. evil/locke is good, but the classic widmore vs. linus was also very important and great and it never really got to a climax.

and according to the fucking ABC spoiler bullshit of next week commercial, they said ben is facing his own demise next week? what the fuck.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 03, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
The last scene felt very Apocalypse Nowesque.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 03, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
Here's what I'm thinking/hoping: The temple wasn't really for the characters as much as it was for the audience. It was so we could take some time to rest up and take things slow for a few episodes right before everything gets pulled out from under us.

If this is the case, everything is about to get nuts.

Also, I guess I assumed everybody felt the same way about the alternate realities so I hadn't really mentioned it here, but I guess since other people seem to think otherwise: I think the alternate realities are REALLY what's going to happen once everything on the island is finalized.  We are getting to see the ending or epilogue during the last chapter.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 04, 2010, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 03, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
I think the alternate realities are REALLY what's going to happen once everything on the island is finalized.  We are getting to see the ending or epilogue during the last chapter.

That's interesting. And as I'm sitting here, I think you might be right. BUT part of me thinks that this choice Evil Locke offered Sayid, to which Sayid agreed but in doing so killed Dogan and Lennon, is what we're seeing, this alternate reality. But it's too Satan-like in its temptation. There's no catch, that's what bugs me. So yeah, your answer tackles the question that's staring us in the face, but I haven't been thinking about too much: what is the flash-sideways time line really all about? And the more I think about it, the more I think you're right.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 04, 2010, 01:42:29 PM
How convinced are you that fake Locke is evil?  Neither he nor Jacob have shown much proof that either of them are good.  We are just assuming the evilness of Locke because we have seen the smoke monster kill so many people.
How do we know that Jacob can't turn into a smoke monster too?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 04, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
Quote from: Gamblour. on March 04, 2010, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 03, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
I think the alternate realities are REALLY what's going to happen once everything on the island is finalized.  We are getting to see the ending or epilogue during the last chapter.

That's interesting. And as I'm sitting here, I think you might be right. BUT part of me thinks that this choice Evil Locke offered Sayid, to which Sayid agreed but in doing so killed Dogan and Lennon, is what we're seeing, this alternate reality. But it's too Satan-like in its temptation. There's no catch, that's what bugs me. So yeah, your answer tackles the question that's staring us in the face, but I haven't been thinking about too much: what is the flash-sideways time line really all about? And the more I think about it, the more I think you're right.



not that i necessarily believe in my "theory" above (i don't), but the reason why i don't buy this is that its basically a rehash of the flash-forward twist.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 04, 2010, 05:39:30 PM
Why would that be a twist though?  It would just be something we figure out.

and were you talking about something Lost did or did you just completely spoil a show I haven't seen yet?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 05, 2010, 09:41:43 AM
You're right, it's wrong to assume too heavily at this point that Jacob or Nemesis/Locke are evil or good completely. Think about what Jacob does: he comes to people at points in their lives to offer them a chance to start over (which is exactly how Dogan phrases it, essentially). But we are learning that the purpose was for one of them to assume Jacob's role so he can leave, and in the process of this countless people have died and others' lives have been ruined more thoroughly than they were off the island.

The Nemesis, despite wanting to kill Jacob, has nothing against the islanders, except the ones that refuse to quit obeying Jacob. He did seem to be very Satan-tempting them, but maybe it's just supposed to appear that way for now, and he really is trying to save the people who will listen.

I think the point is it's all very confusing and why bother guessing  :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 09, 2010, 10:08:21 PM
Damnit. They finally were able to build some solid momentum at the end of last week only to bring everything to a screeching halt with tonight's snoozefest of an episode. For the love of fuck we only have 9 episodes left people, we don't have time for this filler crap. Everything this episode "set-up" could have been done in the cold open, easily. They better start amping shit up, quick-like.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 10, 2010, 11:58:06 AM
Aw...you're so cute when you're angry.

This was a good episode.  It was great to see Ben's story back home, seeing Alex and getting to assume Rousseau and Robert are alright, finding out he DID go to the island, but just came back.

And of course, FakeLocke's attempt to get Ben to come with him and Jack's realization about Jacob's touch.

All good stuff.

People get so mad when shit doesn't blow up lately.  The tone of the Island happenings has to match the tone of the off Island (not?)happenings.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 10, 2010, 12:18:23 PM
Man I've been very ranty lately. I need to calm down and quit it with these knee-jerk reaction posts. I am so that guy on the board lately.

Anyway after letting the episode gestate and reading a few good reviews I'm liking it more. I did enjoy that scene with Jack lighting the dynamite. Slate had a funny bit about how that was a metaphor for the Lost audience - the answers will come "when the time is right."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 10, 2010, 02:36:52 PM
I thought last night's episode was fucking great, up in my top ten or twenty for sure. Ben's flash sideways was really great and some fucking brilliant writing.

But let's talk about something: they're fucking immortal???? Or at least they can't kill themselves until they've served their purpose? Remember, Michael couldn't shoot himself or drive into the bay or anything, but when he stayed behind on the boat to freeze the bomb, Christian showed up to let him know he's done and he could go now. (So Jacob touched Michael at some unseen point) And would Locke have died if not for Jacob touching him after falling out of the window? Probably. This is one of the biggest insights we've had on the show.

So if Rousseau had Alex, that means they never got stranded on the island. I'd love to see sane, happy Rousseau.

And RK, I think your theory is 100% right at this point. It's the only conclusion.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 11, 2010, 02:08:49 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on March 10, 2010, 02:36:52 PM
I'd love to see sane, happy Rousseau.

I read a while back how the producers couldn't get Rousseau back this seasons cause she had other commitments. I assume it was for this episode so that sucks. It would have been great to see her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bethie on March 12, 2010, 12:01:42 AM
I'm all caught up, and now know as much as all of you....nothing.


the ben/alex as a student/teacher relationship. i sensed a sort of sexual tension.

something i dislike this season is the lack of strong characters. im angry that ben (used to be the scariest asshole ever!) is a whiner now and richard runs away like a scared boy. I feel like nothing used to bother them, nothing could hurt them, they remained intimidating no matter what. now I'm only supposed to be afraid of the locke smoke monster. give me back asshole ben.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 12, 2010, 01:31:30 AM
Jacob tells Hugo in the "Lighthouse" episode, "Somebody's coming to the island. I need you to help them find it." But Jack smashes the mirrors and Jacob tells Hugo, "I'm sure they'll find some other way." With the appearance of the submarine at the end of this past week's episode, was Jacob talking about Charles Widmore?  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on March 13, 2010, 09:25:12 AM
I would think he was probably referring to Widmore.

I can see how the death of Jacob could shake Alpert that much, but he used to be the coolest dude on the island.

I really hope it isn't the convergence of timelines at the end of this thing. I hope they have something more interesting up their sleeves than that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 17, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
I for one would watch the shit out of a Sawyer and Miles buddy cop show.

And Richard Alpert episode next week! Super excited.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 17, 2010, 08:09:47 AM
Quote from: polkablues on March 17, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
I for one would watch the shit out of a Sawyer and Miles buddy cop show.

And Richard Alpert episode next week! Super excited.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Also, now that we know he's a cop, it's very interesting that he knowingly let Kate-in-handcuffs escape the airport. And I think it's brilliant that his back story really worked as a cop's back story as well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 17, 2010, 05:00:09 PM
i loved miles and sawyers mini cop show. a lot of these alternate reality stories, especially sawyers and sayid's, work well as little short films on their own. judging by how he reacted to charlie's brother, it makes sense that he didn't care about kate escaping the airport. he's got a singular vision, which is finding anthony cooper. plus the marshall was kind of a dick to him so you could mark it up as simple quiet revenge. he even said himself that he doesn't care much for law and order and could've easily picked either path in life, so he picked the one that would lead him to sawyer.  

charlotte's kinda slutty eh?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 17, 2010, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 17, 2010, 05:00:09 PM
charlotte's kinda slutty eh?

I know, if Faraday existed in that timeline, he'd be PISSED.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on March 17, 2010, 06:27:03 PM
these past 4 eps have been great, specially the last two which gives me hope they can pull off a great ending to the series.

I wonder if sawyer can really fool black-locke, isnt he supposed to be all knowledgeable and shit like jacob? at some point he has to see through his bullshit.

Quote from: polkablues on March 17, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
And Richard Alpert episode next week! Super excited.

YES!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on March 17, 2010, 07:20:06 PM
So, in effect, the alternate timeline cannot be reconciled with the island timeline due to the fact their pasts are all different.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 18, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
how funny was sawyer's "son of a bitch" at the end when he catches kate?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 18, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 17, 2010, 05:00:09 PMcharlotte's kinda slutty eh?

Like Indiana Jones.  :yabbse-wink:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 24, 2010, 02:41:33 AM
well that was probably one of the best episodes ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 24, 2010, 10:10:01 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jerome on March 24, 2010, 11:18:12 AM
When Jacob/Mark Pellegrino dunked Richard's head into the water, I expected him to say "Where's the money Lebowski??" haha
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 24, 2010, 11:21:42 PM
This was great. The end is near damnit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
You guys make a whole lot more noise when you DON'T like the episode.

This last one was so great.  Man in Black's reaction to finding out Richard listened to Jacob... he just gave up.  I still think it's possible Jacob is the evil one.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on March 25, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
I was wondering, how come Linus could kill Jacob if they had a conversation? isn't that like a rule that if either one of them speaks to you before you stab him you can't kill him??

or maybe Jacob was vulnerable inside the statue. whatever the explanation is that was an amazing episode, and now they must show how Ilana got hurt.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: Fernando on March 25, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
or maybe Jacob was vulnerable inside the statue.

That's what I'm thinking.  You can't go inside unless you've been invited.  Part of the loophole.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 25, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
i thought the most interesting reveal was that the black rock came to the island in a storm and last season it was off the shore in clear sunny skies, apparently that was deliberate.

i'm happy they gave richard a patient, singular storyline as opposed to the "Richards Greatest Hits" i was expecting. i thought they rushed through the rousseau backstory so i'm happy they didn't do that here.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 25, 2010, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 25, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
i thought the most interesting reveal was that the black rock came to the island in a storm and last season it was off the shore in clear sunny skies, apparently that was deliberate.

I noticed that too, but why would it be deliberate? It doesn't really make sense.

Wasn't crazy for this one. It was well done for a slower episode, but didn't really introduce much more than we have already inferred about Richard: slave on Hanso's slave ship. I was a bit surprised how long they spent with him chained up. This really an episode to see Jacob and Nemesis behave a bit more. By behave, I mean the nature of the Nemesis is still unclear, but Jacob, I'd argue, is even more unclear. The Nemesis has been officially called "malevolence, evil, darkness" etc by Jacob, but does that make Jacob 'good'? Not in the slightest. He ruins people's lives (granted, that are already ruined) by bringing them to the island for redemption. Well, look where it got John Locke. Jacob's motives are too fucked up to ever be described as 'good'. Even Jacob's most devout follower, Alpert, is fucking pissed. What's the point of all of this if he just brings people to the island to learn a lesson they can never take with them?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 25, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
i thought the most interesting reveal was that the black rock came to the island in a storm and last season it was off the shore in clear sunny skies, apparently that was deliberate.

You're assuming the boat we saw before was the Black Rock.  It very well could have been any other ship from any other prior time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
You're assuming the boat we saw before was the Black Rock.  It very well could have been any other ship from any other prior time.

Exactly... there have been so many brought to the island, there's no reason to believe more than one was a boat.

Jacob ISN'T good... I don't think either of them are.  It's possible that they're both there as part of a test and they each have different methods and desires.  They're basically Jack and Locke in the hatch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on March 25, 2010, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
You're assuming the boat we saw before was the Black Rock.  It very well could have been any other ship from any other prior time.

  They're basically Jack and Locke in the hatch.

This is the part that really needs elaboration. at least for me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on March 25, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
Man in Black's reaction to finding out Richard listened to Jacob... he just gave up.  I still think it's possible Jacob is the evil one.

Me too. And I hope so.

When they did the reveal that it was Loophole that freed Richard, I got quite optimistic that that is the case. Think about how cool that would be. If Jacob is the evil one it turns the entire concept of the candidates on its head.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 25, 2010, 09:16:05 PM
Well, the point here is that Jacob wants the other dude to stay on the island, and the other dude hasn't been able to escape for all this time. Jacob says shit will go down if they let him leave, so that is what we need to really understand. What will really happen if he leaves? And in the alternate universe when the island is under water, where are these guys?

Then the man in black said he needs to kill Jacob in order to leave. Now he is dead and he still needs to leave by taking Widmore's submarine or the plane. WTF? Why didn't he leave before then if he just needs transportation? And why isn't he attacking Widmore NOW as the black smoke and kill them all BEFORE they setup those things that New Otherton had to keep the smoke away?

I mean, I love this shit but when you really start asking question the whole thing falls apart.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
There's a big difference between "falls apart" and "hasn't been explained yet". Just because something doesn't make total sense with the information we currently have doesn't mean it's automatically a plot hole; it just mean we don't have all the information.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 25, 2010, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
There's a big difference between "falls apart" and "hasn't been explained yet". Just because something doesn't make total sense with the information we currently have doesn't mean it's automatically a plot hole; it just mean we don't have all the information.

True. And thats what we all hope for. But i don't think all these questions (holes) will be filled on time. It would be too much.

BTW I just read the title for the series finale, and for the first time these guys are being direct about something. The title for the final episode is "THE END". Good one.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 25, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: polkablues on March 25, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on March 25, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
i thought the most interesting reveal was that the black rock came to the island in a storm and last season it was off the shore in clear sunny skies, apparently that was deliberate.

You're assuming the boat we saw before was the Black Rock.  It very well could have been any other ship from any other prior time.

lindelof and cuse confirmed in this week's podcast that it was the black rock in both scenes, and that the weather change was significant.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 26, 2010, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 25, 2010, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 25, 2010, 04:56:14 PM
They're basically Jack and Locke in the hatch.

This is the part that really needs elaboration. at least for me.

Jacob to Man in Black: "You can't leave, if we leave, this bad thing will happen to this island."
Man in Black to Jacob: "I don't care what happens, this is ridiculous, I just want to leave."

Locke to Jack: "Jack, we have to stay here and press this button, if we don't the whole island will blow up."
Jack to Locke: "Nothing is going to happen, I'm not pressing that button, I just want to leave this island."

Interestingly enough Locke represents Jacob's POV here yet now his body is carrying the Man in Black.

Quote from: ddiggler on March 25, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
lindelof and cuse confirmed in this week's podcast that it was the black rock in both scenes, and that the weather change was significant.

I need to start listening to that podcast again... I quit after season 2 (during the summer) and just never came back.
Also, not that this was necessarily that bad, we should also remind everyone that the "(SPOILERS)" in the title of this thread refers to spoilers about episodes that have already aired ONLY.  That means you if you have any information about future episodes (outside of obvious stuff like the titles) that wasn't already explained in a previous episode DO NOT POST IT WITHOUT A GOOD SPOILER WARNING.

That's for everyone... not necessarily aimed at you, dirk

To be honest, I probably would have listened to the podcast anyway, but now that I've read that, I just got a flash of how I think this whole thing might end.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 26, 2010, 10:26:28 AM
let's hear it!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 26, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 26, 2010, 10:24:23 AM
I need to start listening to that podcast again... I quit after season 2 (during the summer) and just never came back.
Also, not that this was necessarily that bad, we should also remind everyone that the "(SPOILERS)" in the title of this thread refers to spoilers about episodes that have already aired ONLY.  That means you if you have any information about future episodes (outside of obvious stuff like the titles) that wasn't already explained in a previous episode DO NOT POST IT WITHOUT A GOOD SPOILER WARNING.

That's for everyone... not necessarily aimed at you, dirk

To be honest, I probably would have listened to the podcast anyway, but now that I've read that, I just got a flash of how I think this whole thing might end.

sorry, i figured the podcast info was fair game, considering they're talking about an episode that already aired. plus, them saying the storm was significant is really just a confirmation that the weather change wasn't a continuity error.  
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 26, 2010, 12:59:29 PM
No need to apologize.  You're right, that wasn't really a spoiler at all.  I was just reminding because it hadn't been said in a while and I wanted to be safe this close to the end.

and JG, let's just say "I wonder who Richard's constant is"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 29, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
The 'Lost' weekend: Saul Bass travels to a mysterious Island
Source: Los Angeles Times

Lost vs. Saul Bass from Hexagonall on Vimeo.

Do you like "Lost"? Do you also, perhaps, like the 1950s and '60s title credits sequences designed by Saul Bass, he of the angular designs and crazy, bright color schemes? Well, then, this video (which I first saw thanks to the Twitter feed of film writer Ali Arikan) is going to be for you. It takes the visual motifs of Saul Bass, the plot elements of "Lost" and the actors' names and tosses them all into one wacky pop cultural blender. I don't think I've seen a more fascinating mash-up of general pop culture and "Lost" this year, and I hope that if there really IS a zombie season, the producers adopt this credits sequence. (Not really, but it would be cool to have it as an option on the DVD, eventually.)

And if you think you're a "Lost" super-fan, then you clearly haven't met Matt Roeser, who is perhaps the superest of super-fans. He hosts an elaborate "Lost" finale party every year, and his planning for the event involves making video invitations that do elaborate take-offs on the show's iconography and tell their own stories about Matt trying to put on the party. I genuinely have no idea where he finds the time and/or funds to put these together, but I think they're pretty great. (I also like that Matt, who's a graphic designer by trade, has come up with this pretty cool drawing of a DHARMA shark that he's using on T-shirts. So THAT'S where he gets the funds!)

This week's best "Lost" theorizing probably comes from GameZone's Louis Bedigan, who uses the phrase "God loves you as He loved Jacob" as a starting point to examine some of the show's other issues and ideas.

Bedigan writes:

"If the quote is correct – if Ben knows something we don't – there are two logical ways to explain it. One is that Jacob did something to disappoint God, such as allowing good people to die while facilitating the death of others. Thus, God once loved Jacob but no longer does, as if he were a fallen angel.

"But wait ... some fans theorize that Fake Locke was a former candidate who had a falling out with Jacob. What would that make him: a fallen angel's fallen angel? That being the case, wouldn't it make perfect sense that the smoke monster's real name is Wallace, the mysterious man who appeared next to the number '108' on the dial of the magic mirror?

"The second explanation for the quote is that Jacob has always been past tense. All these years, we've been under the impression that whoever he was, he was alive until Ben killed him. Even the smoke monster thought so. But maybe he's been a ghost since before the show even began, and in gathering all of these people, he wasn't merely trying to prove that people were good (as he claimed) – he was also trying to save himself. That would certainly fit with the show's recurring theme of redemption."

These are some interesting thoughts from Bedigan, and while I don't know how deeply the show will delve into some of these issues, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the right track with some of these thoughts. Read the full article to get even more of his theory.

If you aren't checking out sl-lost.com every so often, you're missing out on some cool "Lost" content. Here, for example, is an appearance at the Apple store in Santa Monica made by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse and captured in its entirety. There are no heavy spoilers, and the whole thing is a cool look into how this show being a phenomenon has affected these guys.

Finally, it's time for March Madness. And that also means it's time for March Madness, "Lost" style. Who's winning in your bracket? Me, I don't see how Desmond loses this. He can travel through time! (The bracket comes courtesy of blog Loveology, and I found it thanks to "Lost" blogger Crit Obara.) Let us know who you pick down in comments.


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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jerome on March 30, 2010, 08:15:41 AM
this is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 30, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
"No, cause that'd be ridiculous" is the best line of the series PERIOD. This episode was ok to goodish.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 30, 2010, 10:52:34 PM
another "moving pieces into place" episode, but i found the off island story to be surprisingly engaging. i had assumed the reason jin was in the kitchen was over the money, but the reveal that it was the price to kill him was a nice twist. also loved the scene of jin finally seeing pictures of ji yeon. 

desmond next week! i'm guessing desmond and sayid's inevitable interaction won't be quite like it was in "the constant"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on March 31, 2010, 10:51:14 AM
my favorite part was the ABC countdown to V show logo. im sure Sun's letter wasnt of importance.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 31, 2010, 11:02:50 AM
I was hoping it was Desmond in the sub... that or a previously dead person.

Desmond is our link between the island world and the alternate universe, right?  Time to tie it together?

Quote from: Pozer on March 31, 2010, 10:51:14 AM
my favorite part was the ABC countdown to V show logo. im sure Sun's letter wasnt of importance.

Yeah, seriously, this was SO annoying
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on March 31, 2010, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on March 31, 2010, 11:02:50 AM

Quote from: Pozer on March 31, 2010, 10:51:14 AM
my favorite part was the ABC countdown to V show logo. im sure Sun's letter wasnt of importance.

Yeah, seriously, this was SO annoying

Sweet fucking christ. I seriously contemplated covering it with a piece of duct tape it was so annoying. I might even pull a Greenberg and write ABC a ranty letter if they keep this shit up.

Slate posed an interesting theory, or a question rather - if the island is underwater in the mainland timeline, does that mean Smokey had been released, or killed?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 31, 2010, 05:35:00 PM
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Hideous on-screen countdown annoys Lost and V fans
Source: SciFi Wire

If you watched last night's episode of ABC's Lost and you're like us, you were pissed at the obtrusive countdown clock to V that the network chose to place in the corner of the screen.

It stayed there through most of the episode, even blocking certain action during the show.

Well, we're not alone: Executive producer Damon Lindelof and other fans were equally mad:

"Yes, people, I saw it too," Lindelof tweeted. ":34 minutes until I cry myself to sleep," according to a report in The Hollywood Reporter's Live Feed column.

Other reactions: "To the ABC exec who decided to put the V countdown clock on the bottom of the Lost screen ... I hate you. Passionately," tweeted one ESPN columnist.

Star Ledger columnist Alan Sepinwall was even more articulate about it on his blog:

Really, really, really pissed off that ABC saw fit to clutter the bottom corner of the screen with a "V" logo and a ticking count-down clock to point people towards tonight's return of that show.
On-screen clutter has been one of the scourges of television over the past decade, as networks think nothing of putting annoying flashing billboards all over their shows, sometimes for other shows, sometimes to remind you of the name of the show you're already watching. ...

But because I watch "Lost" live like the rest of you, there was no way to avoid it, and it was ridiculous: between the large red "V" logo, and the ticking clock, it was impossible to not notice it, virtually ever moment it was on screen (which was everywhere except right before or after a commercial break), and in at least one case the stupid clock obscured the note Sun was writing to Jack. Well-done, ABC. Really freaking well-done.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 31, 2010, 05:43:14 PM
i smell another.. You guessed it! LETTER! OF! APOLOGYYYYY! come on down!

ps. thanks canadian broadcasters! never saw that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 31, 2010, 06:00:34 PM
It's all because Steven Spielberg is a moron.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 01, 2010, 01:45:00 AM
SPOILERS FOR NEXT EPISODE

From Ausiello at EW.com: If you were a fan of "The Constant," then you're going to love next week's heart-shaped episode. And if you weren't, you won't. It's that simple.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 05, 2010, 11:03:36 AM
I loved this past episode, it was great to see black lock face to face with widmore.

and I had this crazy dream that night.

I was watching the lost finale and dont remember everything but at some point we were (widmore's ppl, jack, kate, etc) waiting for black lock to wipe him out, there were several boats waiting for him and we were up on a cliff watching, up there suddenly jack was lock and ppl went crazy, i started saying "look he is lock he is lock" but it was only his face and as i was saying that i realized he wasnt, and told him i know you're not lock but your FACE transformed into him, then we knew he was like that because lock tried to make a diversion or something.

Finally black lock arrived in a small boat like the one where michael escapes and the only way in was this dock that was surrounded by the sound blocking things widmore had on the beach this past episode, so widmore's ppl started bombing black lock's ship until it was killed.

When that happened happiness ensued and ppl started jumping off the cliff, it was a big dive into THE SAND but as the island is magical, mysterious and shit gravity (obviously) doesn't work like every other place on earth and they landed smoothly, so we were partying and everyone was eating and drinking, vinnie chase was one of the cooks (yeah wtf).

As everything was going great Rose* started feeling sick, jack i think told her she had food poison, but then she got worse and threw up, she also was bleeding, jack then realized she was pregnant, but she said she hadn't been with anybody, and so we knew it was the work of black lock, the evil hadn't died alter all, then she was taken to some voodoo doctor widmore had there and started working on her, then...

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* she was placed by president palmer's wife from 24.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on April 06, 2010, 09:37:28 PM
There are only a handful of episodes left. Molasses in the winter moves faster than the story this season. It looks as though the timelines are going to merge and that is a very boring, depressing thought.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 07, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
i enjoyed charlie and desmond's scene in the hospital. it was the first time on the show that i was interested in what charlie was going to do. Eloise obviously knows what is going on, the "violation" line proves it.  i'm getting the feeling a lot more happened to Desmond in the alternate reality before he came back than what we saw.

season 2 was slow as molasses, this is.... well i'm not sure yet. i think everyone is feeling that ending coming and starting to panic, i'm still enjoying the ride. my only worry is that the scope of this season will make the seasons before it feel smaller.

oh, and Daniel? Charlotte's a layup, wear a rubber.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 07, 2010, 01:09:21 AM
I'm really enjoying the ride. Not sure if I will be happy at the end, or what the hell will they do, but every moment so far and episodes like this make me love this show. Lost has never been about answers or making a lot of sense, but about surprises. Some of them were great, some expected, but this was a great episode because it shows that no matter what the hell happens with the story we care too much about these characters. They could have Desmond and Charlie and Daniel doing whatever the hell they want and we would still be watching and excited to see them.

Honestly, there is no other show like this one. Every time there is a new episode is fucking Christmas. It will suck when its over.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 07, 2010, 11:03:43 AM
Great episode.  It's funny how many people I've seen reacting like "Lost is back!" when it was never gone.  This has been a great season and the whole things feels right on schedule.

I've got an idea of how it will end, but it's still mostly a mystery and that's great.

Quote from: Derek on April 06, 2010, 09:37:28 PM
There are only a handful of episodes left. Molasses in the winter moves faster than the story this season. It looks as though the timelines are going to merge and that is a very boring, depressing thought.

Yes, it would be WAY more exciting if the timelines never had anything to do with each other and the side-flashes were just filler with no point.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2010, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 07, 2010, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: Derek on April 06, 2010, 09:37:28 PM
There are only a handful of episodes left. Molasses in the winter moves faster than the story this season. It looks as though the timelines are going to merge and that is a very boring, depressing thought.

Yes, it would be WAY more exciting if the timelines never had anything to do with each other and the side-flashes were just filler with no point.



I'm sure the side-flashes have a point. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they are not that interesting. After five seasons we're introduced to variations of their characters in a different timeline? Because a hydrogen bomb exploded? I am still a big Lost fan. But this seems like 1999 when people were trying to convince themselves Episode I was good. I suppose we'll see how it all shakes out though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 07, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
I find them very interesting.  They explore fate and what makes someone who they are.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on April 07, 2010, 04:32:26 PM
Quote from: Derek on April 07, 2010, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on April 07, 2010, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: Derek on April 06, 2010, 09:37:28 PM
There are only a handful of episodes left. Molasses in the winter moves faster than the story this season. It looks as though the timelines are going to merge and that is a very boring, depressing thought.

Yes, it would be WAY more exciting if the timelines never had anything to do with each other and the side-flashes were just filler with no point.


I'm sure the side-flashes have a point. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they are not that interesting. After five seasons we're introduced to variations of their characters in a different timeline? Because a hydrogen bomb exploded? I am still a big Lost fan. But this seems like 1999 when people were trying to convince themselves Episode I was good. I suppose we'll see how it all shakes out though.

Draw another comparison, that one sucks, and makes no sense.  You may have been the only one confused.  I was 12 and i thought it sucked.  All of us who watch are interested to see "how it all shakes out,"  but I don't think it's a any stretch to go off of what RK said in reference to the show being a character study.  And a great one at that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2010, 04:56:53 PM
Thanks Neil.

The show is a character show AND a science fiction/fantasy show. If I wanted just character I'd watch Days Of Our Lives. Take a pill.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 07, 2010, 05:05:40 PM
amazing ep last night, desmond is always a guarantee to have a great episode, just like when alpert shows up something amazing happens, on top of that we get to see faraday again.

just 6 eps left  :yabbse-sad:

6 episodes seem like they wont be enough to see all stories we've seen in the alt.universe have some kind of closure, i hate to use closure because i don't need all things to be resolved, i love to have my own interpretation if what is left to be interpreted makes sense, in this case sense in a lost way, so, how many stories are worth to see in the alt.u?

- jack. he bonded with son so that part is covered, what is left for him is to give lock a check up.
- kate. she's in chains now, could she escape?? only in lost could happen that, if so, what would she do?
- lock. he teared apart jack's card, maybe he will try to track him again.
- sawyer. he must find the conman.
- sayid. he killed some ppl, that cant be the end of it, plus bro's wife.
- hugo. next one is about him.
- desmond. oh dear, this will be the best. more faraday please.


ill stop right there.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 08, 2010, 01:21:47 PM
I can't take full credit for the birth of this idea, but my brain has been really running with it.

Jack works in the hospital
-Claire is in the hospital
-Sun is pregnant and stabbed, she and Jin are on their way to the hospital
-Sawyer and Miles could easily be the ones investigating the gunshots heard at the restaurant and could just as easily end up at the hospital
-Locke could change his mind about meeting Jack (I'm starting to think he won't) and end up at the hospital.

The MRI machine is at the hospital. 
Desmond and Daniel are well on their way to figuring out the link between the MRI machine and the Island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 08, 2010, 02:03:38 PM
awesome, that sounds about right, and although im with you about lock too, im thinking maybe even if he doesnt want a check up somehow he could end up going to the hospital (via his wife?) or bumping into jack somewhere.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 08, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
also, locke will most likely be pulled into sawyers storyline now that he's hot on the trail of anthony cooper, and i wouldn't be surprised to see Ana Lucia show up with all this cop stuff going on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 08, 2010, 05:05:27 PM
And I will bet one million dollars that Libby shows up in Hurley's flash-sideways.


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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 09, 2010, 01:58:12 PM
The internet is full of riches.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 09, 2010, 04:20:17 PM
hahaha. that and alpaca lautner are the best pics posted this weak.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on April 12, 2010, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: Derek on April 07, 2010, 04:56:53 PM
Thanks Neil.

The show is a character show AND a science fiction/fantasy show. If I wanted just character I'd watch Days Of Our Lives. Take a pill.

Point is we don't need episode 2 and 3 to know anything about 1 as a film, or how we should feel about it there as.  Sure, you can't look in hind sight, or you can just enjoy yourself.  I certainly didn't limit the show to a character study either, so save the pill for yourselfI was just pointing out that there is plenty of goodness despite all your serious qualms towards the show.


shit, RK, whatever happened happened.  That's kinda where I think it's heading.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on April 12, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Are you referring to Star Wars? I'm not following your reasoning?

I just want the end of Lost to be as great as everything that it has established it can be. I'm a fan of the show, I haven't found these last few episodes to be entirely satisfying...does not mean I have serious qualms. Maybe my mind will be changed on them after viewing them in the context of the grand scheme. There is a difference between being a fan and a blind supporter of the show. I still get excited for every week left and if tomorrow's episode turns out to be a hamburger, don't worry, I'll take my pill and happily convince myself that it was a porterhouse.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 13, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
'Lost': Jorge Garcia teases Tuesday night's episode
*READ AT OWN RISK*

"Lost" fans are still buzzing about last week's "Happily Ever After" episode, which finally began making sense of the two timelines and how love plays into it all.

Well, Tuesday night's Hurley-centric episode, "Everybody Loves Hugo," continues with that theme. Although actor Jorge Garcia was tight-lipped about it in a recent interview, he did say this:

"There's definitely a turning point about to happen," Garcia said. "Right around the middle of the season, all those deja vu moments in the sideways timeline, you'll see stuff come to a head and the whole season turns the corner. And stuff really gets interesting."

"Everybody Loves Hugo" will show more of Hurley's life in the sideways timeline. Viewers saw a glimpse of that in a previous episode when he appeared to Locke as the successful entrepreneur who owns the company Locke worked for.  But there's more to Mr. Reyes than that.

"This new Hurley episode shows that everything seems great for Hurley, but maybe not everything's great," Garcia said.

The episode marks the return of Harold Perrineau, Cynthia Watros and Lillian Hurst as Hurley's mother. There's also a special guest star that Garcia announced on his blog.

The cast and crew are currently working on the top-secret series finale, which is scheduled to wrap on April 24.  Of course, Garcia kept mum about that as well but did say he was "very satisfied" with the way "Lost" ends.

And that was with a chunk of the finale script still missing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 14, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
thought that was so good!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 14, 2010, 11:37:49 AM
Cynthia Watros came back AND Ilana blew up??? They do read my letters!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 14, 2010, 01:26:13 PM
hurley episodes are always underrated. "numbers", "dave", "tricia tanaka is dead" and "the beginning of the end" are all episodes i love rewatching.  michael's apology wasn't as heartfelt as i was hoping it would be, and the whispers explanation was a bit undercooked, but how about that ending!

anyone else curious what was in the sack hurley looked in and quickly closed? was that jacob's ashes?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pete on April 14, 2010, 01:56:26 PM
I don't watch Lost, but I texted my friend at around 10:30 last night, something like "can you believe they killed jack?" just to be silly and then she told me I ruined the episode for her 'cause she was watching it on tivo and she thought I ruined a surprise and watched the entire show in anticipation of the surprise and when they actually killed someone else she wasn't sufficiently engrossed so now I have one less friend.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on April 15, 2010, 06:05:40 AM
You, sir, should be ran over by Desmond.

2 of the best ever episodes on the show in a row.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on April 15, 2010, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: polkablues on April 14, 2010, 11:37:49 AM
Cynthia Watros came back AND Ilana blew up??? They do read my letters!

really? although at first I didn't like Ilana she started to become a pretty interesting character and im really bummed that she's gone, and so sudden, at least for me that was truly unexpected, i hope we see her backstory but who knows.


and desmond just fixed lock's lack of interest in meeting dr. jack.

also it's interesting how none of the candidates went with alpert.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 15, 2010, 07:44:37 PM
Does Willy Wonka hold the key to Lost??

Lost viewers are all a-Twitter after seeing last night's episode, "Everybody Loves Hugo," as well as the promo for what's in store next week. (Spoilers ahead!)

While the episode killed off a major character and answered a question or two (while loading us up with more questions), twitterers were not only tweeting about the episode, they were tweeting about the odd use of a psychedelic bit of audio from the 1971 musical Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory that was inserted over the action in the promo for next week's episode, "The Last Recruit." Could the music, sung by Gene Wilder, mean something when it comes to the overall plot?

Here's a look at the promo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKCc4NlrjY


That caused Twitter to light up:

@sonician wrote: "So with the overdub of Gene Wilder as Charlie, is LOST's island just one big Chocolate Factory, testing those to see who's worthy?"

@Tempestuous wrote: "Now #Lost finally makes sense: the island is the Chocolate Factory! But does that mean Jacob is Willy Wonka and Jack's Charlie Bucket?"

@scHarvey wrote: "And the award for creepiest use of a Gene Wilder, from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, voice over goes to... #LOST"

@starbabyla: "Luv the Charlie and Chocolate Factory song that played during next week's #Lost trailer, completely describes how I feel!"



The wording in the promo has some of lines from the original removed. So you can delve into whether or not there's actually any hidden clues, here's what's actually "sung" by Wilder as Willy Wonka as edited for the "creepy" promo:


Willy Wonka
[singsongy]:

There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going

[apprehensive, now spoken]

Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a-glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes! The danger must be growing!

[yelling]

And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!

[screams]


While the Lost producers are certainly messing with our heads, what we did get last night with the Hurley-centric episode "Everybody Loves Hugo" is just a touch closer to finding out some answers.

In the Sideverse, lucky Hurley (Jorge Garcia) runs into crazy Libby (Cynthia Watros) and they finally get that first date and kiss, causing Hurley to remember the island. Desmond (Desmond Hume) appears to be running around interfering with the Oceanic 815 passengers' lives. With Hurley, it's just a suggestion to visit Libby. With Locke (Terry O'Quinn), he runs him down with his car.

In the Lostverse, we learn that the whispers are the dead who've done something terrible and can't move on, Ilana (Zuleikha Robinson) blows up after being warned about that dynamite, and Locke pushes Desmond down a well. Dead Michael (Harold Perrineau Jr.) pops up to tell Hurley not to let the group blow up the plane (which would keep the Smoke Monster from leaving the island), so Hurley blows up the Black Rock and all the dynamite. Non-candidates Richard (Nestor Carbonell), Miles (Ken Leung) and Ben (Michael Emerson) head off to destroy the plane, while Hurley leads the candidates to talk to Locke.

Tweeps loved the episode:

@SS Career wrote: "In a world of conflict and strife, there is but one fact we all can agree upon, everybody love Hugo!"

@Aohora wrote: "'Dead people are more reliable than alive people ...' -- This is a HUGE clue about Jacob."

@ivanstanton wrote: "So very glad I stuck through Lost's middling third season cos right now, it kicks serious island-based arse re: 'Everybody Loves Hugo'."

Meanwhile, Benjamin Linus gets off the best line of the season so far: "It makes you think, doesn't it. Ilana, there she was, handpicked by Jacob, trained to come and protect you candidates. No sooner does she tell you who you are than she blows up. The island was done with her. It makes me wonder what's going to happen when it's done with us."

As Alan Sepinwall, from What's Alan Watching put it, "Well, we're clearly cooking with gas at this point in the season. Desmond's return has goosed the narrative stakes in both the sideways universe and the real one, two of the three island factions have finally come together, stuff blew up left and right, Des and Locke are trying to kill each other in the two timelines, and the sideways world again was used well to bring back a character whose time on the show felt like it came to too abrupt an end in the real timeline."

What "Everybody Loves Hugo" really offered was a chance for the wonderful Jorge Garcia to really shine, both comically and dramatically. If anyone wasn't rooting for Hurley and Libby to finally get that date and have that kiss, then they haven't been paying attention.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: rustinglass on April 16, 2010, 05:14:26 PM
My friend has a theory, that charles withmore is his own grandfather. Some how charlie (desmond's son) will travel back in time and richard's people take him in and raise him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 17, 2010, 01:51:48 AM
that would be fucking crazy. i think darlton said they were done with time travel though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: rustinglass on April 17, 2010, 02:14:52 PM
Yeah I also thought it was far fetched but now the charlie and the chocolate factory tv spot makes me think that someone named charlie or charles will play an important role.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 20, 2010, 09:39:30 PM
If you're on my facebook, you've already seen this, but a good friend of mine is a finalist in a "Make Your Own Lost Commercial" contest and voting is going on this week. You have to login to Abc.com to vote, but she's a die hard fan and it's a good cause because she only has a few years of actual experience with editing. Very late comer into the scene, but vote for "Questions" by Meghan O'Donnell. Thanks.

http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/fan-promo-contest-vote
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 20, 2010, 11:05:05 PM
lost is cruising; pieces coming together in impressive ways.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on April 20, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
hey freaks, i'm a few seasons behind so i've avoided this thread, how long til the final episode?

(i wonder if i could catch up on dvd in time to watch the finale at the same time as you guys)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on April 21, 2010, 12:00:02 AM
I think there's 4 episodes left including the 2 hr. series finale. Correct me if I'm wrong?

That was the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series...great stuff!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 21, 2010, 12:39:30 AM
the finale is on may 23rd (in the US). not sure about the rest of the world.

thought sun and jin's reunion was pretty corny (were we meant to think they were going to get zapped by the pylons? that whole scene felt goofy), but i like how everyone's coming together. i'm suddenly starting to find myself more interested in the sideways story than the island one.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on April 21, 2010, 12:51:38 AM
I didn't fin the Sun and Jin reunion corny, I felt it was a bit rushed. I thought they were going to get zapped too. Am I the only one who can't stand Zoe? It seems to me that Widmore and MIB aren't fighting for good or evil, but simply their own interests...not sure though...they each seem willing to manipulate and sacrifice certain members of their parties to get what they are after. Giacchino's score was great....I agree, the off-island stuff is getting very compelling. And Island Claire needs a good shampoo.

Correction: 5 hours left including the two hour finale. Depending if you saw the first couple of seasons, you may be able to cram. The most recent seasons have been shorter.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 21, 2010, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: P on April 20, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
(i wonder if i could catch up on dvd in time to watch the finale at the same time as you guys)

you can make it, season 4 was only 14 hours due to the writers strike.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on April 21, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
You definitely can make it P. 


has anyone brought up the idea that "ghost hunters" use EMF tools to find ghosts or to track them or whatever, and as it turns out the island is emitting this huge magnetic pulse?  I don't know, just something interesting I was thinking about with regards to them being dead or what have you. Even though i don't believe that idea, it could correlate with the apparitions on the island, maybe.

After this episode and the last, I kinda lost the faith in believing they could pull it all together. But, you never know with this show.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 22, 2010, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
After this episode and the last, I kinda lost the faith in believing they could pull it all together. But, you never know with this show.

this almost felt like a penultimate episode. with 5 hours left, i'm sure they have some tricks up their sleeve. i really hope they stop answering questions through throwaway dialogue scenes (michael looked like he had a hard time explaining the whispers with a straight face), but as long as they give the characters interesting conclusions i'll be happy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 22, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
I felt so bad for Jeff Fahey, having to deliver the line "Looks like someone got her voice back," like it wasn't the most cornball thing they've ever put in the show. On the other hand, Sawyer referring to Lapidus as "Chesty" was probably my favorite Sawyer nickname ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

And I guess that's a no regarding the EMF shit?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 25, 2010, 08:29:49 PM
That Widmore geologist/soldier is really annoying. She looks like less pretty Tina Fey too
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 25, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 25, 2010, 08:29:49 PM
That Widmore geologist/soldier is really annoying. She looks like less pretty Tina Fey too

I can't wait until she blows up or gets shot.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

I'm calling Juliet.  You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on April 26, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

I'm calling Juliet.  You heard it here first.

Dark hair, and pouty eyes. i'm calling Kate.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on April 26, 2010, 02:23:12 PM
So what's up with the rerun of the Richard episode tomorrow?  :yabbse-thumbdown:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 26, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on April 26, 2010, 02:23:12 PM
So what's up with the rerun of the Richard episode tomorrow?  :yabbse-thumbdown:

WHAT? No new epsiode? WTF
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on April 26, 2010, 06:16:55 PM
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1 (http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1)

That first photo is pretty great. I wish they had recorded all of those writer's meetings and then released the tapes after it was all finished. Give us nerds days of audio to sift through.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 01, 2010, 04:11:13 PM
Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse won't explain the ending of "Lost" after it airs. Lindelof says: "We're going to be as definitive as we can be and say this is our ending, but there's no way to end the show where the fans aren't going to say, 'What did they mean by this?' Which is why we're not going to explain it."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 02, 2010, 06:52:59 AM
Quote from: kal on April 26, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on April 26, 2010, 02:23:12 PM
So what's up with the rerun of the Richard episode tomorrow?  :yabbse-thumbdown:

WHAT? No new epsiode? WTF

I think it's the best (so far) episode of this season so far. It's good to have a breather. I think the last four will be intense.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 04, 2010, 01:06:33 PM
ok LOST, 5 hours left. impress me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 04, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
I'm so ready for this to be over.


Wow. Just the white characters left now. Interesting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 04, 2010, 09:28:42 PM
well that was 5 seasons too late

kidding... sort of. this felt like the worst episode of the season for me. i don't know why, something was just wrong about it. sun and jin got to me in their final moments, but i was still laughing from Lapidus

anyone else think jin is a shitty father?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 05, 2010, 12:21:34 AM
Did Lapidus make it off?

It's interesting how in the off-island segments, the characters are beginning to seem somewhat aware of their other lives. However on the island, it's all very straight forward in that regard.

If the two realities DO converge, and if there are survivors from the island, does that mean there will be two of that person in one timeline? Kind of goes against the theory of coverging timelines doesn't it?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on May 05, 2010, 12:53:25 AM
Spoils regarding the candidate.


The fact that writers have been open with the fact that they intend to leave a lot of thing ambiguous,leaves me with little hope for the show.  I mean, regardless as aforementioned, it's been a great ride, but I'm just expecting too much, and after tonight's episode, although I really enjoyed it.  I'm not sure  4 hours is going to be enough to cut it.  Not showing desmond the entire episode pisses me off.  When did he become this man with a mission and gleam in his eye, and why the fuck aren't they following up on that.  did he just hitch a ride across the border for a hit and run. What the fuck?  I thought he was insistent on showing people the alternate reality BEFORE THEY DIE, and Locke only says some shit in his sleep, fuck this shit.  The show timeline is as follows;  We have important timeline data (1) but then later we're not going to address unresolved/unsolved issues with timeline 1, but we're now focused on important timeline data (2) and this has repeated 50 or 60 times.

Remember when ben seemed like this rogue motherfucker with all this money and power on the mainland?  Oh, nope. where the fuck is ben any ways? The "sideflash" will just have too many holes.  I understand it begins when they blow up the hydrogen bomb, but a lot of shit has happened from 1970 til present, I don't know.  I'll stop.  I need to get back to writing this 12 page shit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 05, 2010, 07:41:56 AM
I'm totally fine with them not resolving every mystery from the past 6 years. In a way I'd prefer that, I don't see how Lost could end other than leave certain things ambiguous. One of my concerns that they would try to explain every damn thing. Ssh... those whispers are dead people. Oh wow... that's kinda crap.

My biggest beef with this season is that I've spent all this time investing in these characters who crashed on the the island, or arrived on the freighter, or are Ben, and yet this season has taken the focus off them completely. Everything has been about Jacob versus Loophole, whether directly or not. The characters have just been running around trying to do what they think Jacob wants them to do. They're not making decisions for themselves, they're just trying to fulfill some banal prophecy. Sure, Sawyer takes his shirt of and scowls and Jack and yeah that's what he did in season one, but he had evolved in to someone far more interesting since then. At least Jack can dither about worried about the most minuscule and boring decisions because, well, that's what Jack does best. I'm starting to believe he is The Candidate to replace Jacob because they're both fucking boring.

And all the irrelevant sideways stories just back up what I'm saying. Yes, they're interesting. Yes, it's nice to see another side to our beloved characters. But they add nothing to our overall hope/fear associated with the overall story.

I guess I might find more to enjoy in this season when the DVD comes out, but right now I find myself in the unfortunate position of eagerly awaiting the demise of my favorite show. It's a damn shame.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 05, 2010, 11:34:54 AM
HAHAHAAHAHA!

Man, it never fails!  You guys always do this.

This episode was fucking BOSS!  You're just mad that it wasn't the finale.

fakeLOCKE is BAD NEWS FOR THE LOSTIES
Sayiid, Sun, and Jin are DEAD
Shit is HAPPENING

Tell me what hasn't been answered that you're scared won't be and tell me why it matters at this point. 
I'm so along for this ride and they're not doing anything they haven't done since the beginning of the series.  The faults are just as faulty except that I've grown to appreciate and laugh at them.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 05, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
Mod hasn't been posting his usual hand-wringing like in past seasons, but there are always four or five people to take the reins from him. I swear you people are watching a different show than I am. Everyone confuses "I don't know how they're going to resolve this" with "They're not going to be able to resolve this." There's like four hours of the show left. Let's let them actually finish before we get into whether they botched it or not.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 05, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
I still love LOST for the good times we have shared together but it's not like it used to be.  I don't believe in the show anymore (for the most part), it seems like fan fiction.  The mystery is always better than the resolution.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 05, 2010, 02:56:48 PM
I've been missing your depressive posts after each episode this season. You were driving the "Lost has jumped the shark" bandwagon long before everyone else hopped on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on May 05, 2010, 03:09:20 PM
what RK said.

it baffles me ppl have LOST his faith on the show, and truth is, sucks to be you because the ride so far has been fun and wild.

Quote from: Sleepless on May 05, 2010, 07:41:56 AM
I'm totally fine with them not resolving every mystery from the past 6 years. In a way I'd prefer that, I don't see how Lost could end other than leave certain things ambiguous. One of my concerns that they would try to explain every damn thing. Ssh... those whispers are dead people. Oh wow... that's kinda crap.

that's my only worry, that they try to answer way too much, thou that link posted in the previous page they already say some things will be left unanswered, and that's great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 05, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
i'm still very much enjoying the show, and i've loved the ride, especially in early season 5 when everyone seemed to turn on the show. i just felt underwhelmed for what was obviously supposed to be a VERY BIG EPISODE. i'll withhold judgement on the series until it's all over, but in the end I think time will be kind to it, flaws and all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 05, 2010, 05:23:53 PM
The series finale has been expanded by a 1/2 hour to run 2 1/2 hours now on Sunday May 23. A two hour series recap will run before it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on May 05, 2010, 07:34:18 PM
I love this show, it has been an awesome ride.  I'm just another guy who is anticipating the ending of a great show.  Guess I didn't vocalize that properly.  I cannot look away from this show, it is awesome.  No doubt.  I just went about discussion in a bad way.

Not saying, I started this, i may have been ignored this whole time. That's quite possible too. Just wanted to clear up, I'm tuned the fuck in, for sure.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 05, 2010, 07:52:37 PM
ABC expands 'Lost' finale by extra half-hour!
Exclu: There's more "Lost" left than you think.

The producers of ABC's hit drama have shot so much crucial material for the show's hugely anticipated series finale that the network has agreed to extend the last episode by an extra half-hour.

When the "Lost" finale airs on Sunday, May 23, the episode will run from 9 p.m.-11:30 p.m. The overrun will push back local news, with the previously announced "Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to Lost" post-finale special now airing at 12:05 a.m. ABC is expected to announce the plan on tonight's episode of Kimmel.

Executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof just completed postproduction on the finale -- titled "The End" -- on Monday night. Both sent out identical tweets: "We're done. Amen."

Lindelof recently told THR that the crew built all-new sets for the finale and promised the ending would prompt more questions.

The supersizing of the finale is the latest adjustment to what might as well be called "The 'Lost' Weekend." ABC is airing an "enhanced" (pop-ups) version of the show's original two-hour pilot on May 22. On Sunday there's a two-hour retrospective titled "Lost: The Final Journey," followed by the finale, then the local news (which was preempted in the first-blush recounting of this plan) and Kimmel post-show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 06, 2010, 07:55:54 AM
- Yo why didn't Jack run off with the C4 he can't even die. Dynamite doesn't explode in his hand, maybe C4 is different because it's a stronger explosive? (joke)
Silly Jack.

- talk about an anti-climatic death for Sun/Jin/Sayid/Pilot

- fakeLocke takes a gun and walks angrily : ''I'm gonna finish what I started'' ... oups, he already forgot why he made this big elaborate plan, he can't kill them.. so instead of a gun I guess really good explanations might be more appropriate. Also: dude, you're unkillable and all-powerful, stop stressing so much with guns and shit.

- Knifes transperce fakeLocke's clothes but bullets don't? Weak sauce special effects there.


The shark this show jumped is dead from old age by now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 06, 2010, 10:49:51 AM
Pas, you don't know what you're talking about with any of those things except the "knives VS bullets".

Jack isn't invincible, the deaths were super meaningful, and fakeLocke uses guns occasionally.

Get Lost and come back to me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 06, 2010, 11:10:34 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate on May 06, 2010, 10:49:51 AM
Pas, you don't know what you're talking about with any of those things except the "knives VS bullets".

Jack isn't invincible, the deaths were super meaningful, and fakeLocke uses guns occasionally.

Get Lost and come back to me.

I thought Jack was invincible though... he isn't?  :yabbse-huh:

I'm mostly joking when I say the show is shit but not completely joking. It's not shit, it's just really frustrating and annoying sometimes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 06, 2010, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Derek on May 05, 2010, 05:23:53 PM
The series finale has been expanded by a 1/2 hour to run 2 1/2 hours now on Sunday May 23. A two hour series recap will run before it.

translation: 5 minutes of show will be added and another 25 minutes of commercials.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 06, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
Just caught up on this last episode. Fucking CRAZY. They have our Losties trapped in the tightest corner, and it's really great to watch. Sayid's death was fucking EPIC and then the Kwons KIA was really beautiful and Titanic-esque. Everything about this episode exceeded my expectations and I hope they keep up the momentum. When in doubt, blow someone the fuck up.

So it's getting pretty apparent that the island will offer some sort of ultimatum regarding the flash sideways. Losing Sayid and the Kwons is too painful, so I'm pretty sure flash sideways is where everyone will end up, in a sans island world. Why should they have to live through the whims of a demigod? They shit fucked up their lives, and they made their choice blowing up the bomb and that settles it. They created their own fate, and that's the point of the show, I bet. Who knows though?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 08, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/05/07/tv-finales-three-alternative-lost-endings-and-24s-not-so-happy-conclusion/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 11, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
:|
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 11, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Okay so.... I didn't hate it. It entertained me for what it was. Although I am fed up with the writers that they somehow got the impression that all we wanted to know about was Jacob and Loophole. That's not why I watched the show for 5 years already. And that business with the light? They're just piling bullshit on top of bullshit right now. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not interested in that stuff.

Some things we learnt about Jacob tonight:
1.  He's pushing 40 and still lives with his mother.
2.  Most likely he's retarded.

Although I didn't hate this ep as much as I thought I would, there's still only one more ep before the finale. This was not what I wanted that hour spent on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 12, 2010, 12:06:31 AM
Quote from: Sleepless on May 11, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Okay so.... I didn't hate it.

This was not what I wanted that hour spent on.


Ditto.

Like the Alpert episode this season (which was good, but I don't think was great) it illuminated a bit of history of the island that didn't really hold much in the way of surprising or interesting information. I did like the Adam and Eve reference to tie it back to the earlier season though. Jacob and MIB are kind of boring as characters.

Final thoughts...quite disappointing. At this point, may have to steel myself for a bigger disappointment in a week and a half.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 12, 2010, 01:11:47 AM
Yeah, so I've had this show's back all season, but that was just a balls-to-the-wall bad episode. You know your writing's bad when Allison Janney comes off as a shitty actor. The light, the donkey wheel, the "rules", everything was explained in the most meaningless possible terms. And by "meaningless", I don't just mean the explanations were insubstantial, I mean they were literally definitionless. It was like the script was a Mad Lib, and every blank space said "vague New-Agey noun". Deepak Chopra could have written this episode with Sylvia Browne and it would have had more concrete meaning to it.

Maybe eventually the episode will grow on me, but I doubt it. This was a waste. And there's no excuse for it this close to the end.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on May 12, 2010, 02:23:34 AM
personally i felt like the previous ten minutes of jacob footage throughout the past five seasons wasn't enough for me.  I completely disagree, this episode was AS  vital as the richard ep.  Meaning, it was a long time comin'

P.S all of you who endorse the idea of "not answering (important or non-imporotant) questions the past episodes have posed are contradicting yourselves, this episode just added MORE QUESTIONS.   It is very close to the end,  but the questions still make sense with given knowledge. I am still lost
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 12, 2010, 02:30:35 AM
No need to have all the questions answered and no need to have more questions posed at this stage of the game. Any answers given in this episode were simply unsatisfying.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 12, 2010, 03:00:44 AM
It was precisely because this episode was so vital that I was so disappointed with it. They only had one shot to lay out the backstory of these characters, which is integral to the entire understanding of the series as a whole, and they botched it. Nothing anybody did made sense, and none of the explanations for why what the characters did made no sense made any sense.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 12, 2010, 08:26:05 AM
Quote from: polkablues on May 12, 2010, 01:11:47 AM
Yeah, so I've had this show's back all season, but that was just a balls-to-the-wall bad episode. You know your writing's bad when Allison Janney comes off as a shitty actor. The light, the donkey wheel, the "rules", everything was explained in the most meaningless possible terms. And by "meaningless", I don't just mean the explanations were insubstantial, I mean they were literally definitionless. It was like the script was a Mad Lib, and every blank space said "vague New-Agey noun". Deepak Chopra could have written this episode with Sylvia Browne and it would have had more concrete meaning to it.

Maybe eventually the episode will grow on me, but I doubt it. This was a waste. And there's no excuse for it this close to the end.

I thought having Allison Janney in such a role was huge mistake as well, mostly because every time I saw her it reminded me that I was just watching a TV show. For a role as mysterious as Jacob and MIB's mother, why not have someone that most people aren't familiar with? Also, the golden light??? Seriously??? They went the Pulp Fiction suitcase route...if they say so....You think they're going to offer an explanation as to why Allison J. had those crazy magical powers?

Someone on Twitter said, and I have to agree, "I think Jacob's retarded."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on May 12, 2010, 08:40:53 AM
yeah, jacob was a lot cooler when he was an all knowing god as opposed to a home schooled mama's boy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 12, 2010, 08:57:16 AM
i thought in the Richard flashback it seemed like Jacob and the MiB were acting like children, then this episode illuminated that's exactly what they are, developmentally disabled children.

one thing i'm confused about, if the smoke monster escaped out of the hole with the light and dumped the MiB's body downstream, does that mean the entity isn't Jacob's brother and just assumed his form? i enjoyed the adam and eve illumination, but man did the show look different in the first season.

i bet 1,000,000,000 dollars we see desmond in that hole before the show ends.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 12, 2010, 09:07:04 AM
I hate to pile on, I really do, but the impression I got from this episode is that LOST used to be Star Wars and now it's the prequels.  
"I wonder where Jacob came from?"

But actually SEEING where Jacob came from is not a good idea.  At all.  And fans of Star Wars should know better than to make that mistake.  MIB even had Anakin's "my village is burned" turn towards the darkside.  And seeing them as little kids just robs them of any menace or mystery.

It was just completely dramatically unsatisfying.  As if the creators used to be excited about telling these stories and now they're just checking things off a list and explaining them in the most workmanlike way possible.  

Everytime LOST opens the scope of the show it comes the inevitable but what happened BEFORE THAT!  

Ooh, a French transmission.  How did they get here?
Ooh, the Others!  How did they get here?
Ooh, the Dharma Initiative!  How did they get here?
Ooh, Richard Alpert!  How did He get here!
Ooh, that crazy statue!  How did that get here!
Ooh, Jacob and MIB!  How did they get here!

But it keeps forcing them to have to go back and explain these things.  Which is never as fun as wondering how they got here.  It only leads to now going "okay, well how did their MOTHER get here" and how about the people ON the island already!  What it also does is dwarf the significance of Jack and co. from being major players destined for greatness, to being the next in a line of schmucks here for stupid reasons.

Also, DRAMATICALLY it was so unsatisfying to see things this way.  Even if they had to present this information it could have been done with a several minute monologue and maybe a single flashback for maximum impact, but to spend an entire episode there just takes all the mystery out of it.  

My version: Jacob and MIB are brothers, Jacob is always the favored one by the mother to be the protector because MIB always has a little more anger/unpredictability/temper on him.  He is always the 2nd favorite child, the mother dies when they are young (REAL YOUNG) and as they get older the temptation to return to the light becomes too great for MIB and he goes towards it not knowing it will kill him and use his body for Smokey's Evil.  This is much more tragic dramatically than Jacob throwing the dude in there.  Anyway, oh well this show.  Amiright?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 12, 2010, 09:16:55 AM
I am hoping that the show is toying with our need to know the answers and origins for everything (in life, as well) because clearly that only leads to more questions. I didn't like the episode very much while watching it, but I'm reserving my judgement until the finale, when we see how all of these pieces fit together. I will say that this was all way more exciting when the biggest mystery was Hanso on those creepy Dharma tapes. I remember all the crazy theories my mind was creating every week and that's not happening as much anymore. J.J. spoke in that issue of Wired that he guest edited a while back about how mysteries are so much better without answers, but that with the internet and all of this modern tech., we as a people are unable to go without answers to all of our questions. I still hold out hope that this show is somehow commenting on that notion.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 12, 2010, 09:41:04 AM
i don't think getting answers is a logical complaint of the show at this point. clearly they're not giving any. sure you saw where the smoke monster came from, but there's no mention of WHAT THE FUCK IT IS. i'm also pretty sure we'll never get an answer to how "mother" was able to kill everone and fill up the hole so quickly. i like what mod said about with every introduction of a character, you're left wondering "how'd THEY get here?" because i was wondering that about the "mother" character, before i realized this episode was the show's way of getting us to stop asking that question. it gave us the root of the conflict we're involved in now, and we're going to see the resolution of that conflict. that's it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 12, 2010, 09:58:57 AM
I think we might learn more about what the hole is, because clearly it's going to play a fairly major role in the finale. Not saying I want or need those answers, but even if we do, it still leads to that interesting notion that Mod was speaking about, because even if we find out what the hole is, we'll still be left with more questions.

I still think that Lost is one of the most interesting shows ever to come on television, if for no other fact, than I've never watched anything that elicited this much interesting debate and I can only imagine that these debates are going to intensify a hundred fold after the finale airs. There have been countless shows with better acting and better writing, but nothing that even comes close to bringing people into debates as interesting as these.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 12, 2010, 10:12:19 AM
i too have been on the bandwagon all season and have held out hope that this was finishing  strong -- and for a few weeks it seemed like it was -- but that was awful! It was LOST's old testament and it sucked. i felt like i was in ccd class. it obviously didn't have a fighting chance with the costumes (i've long thought they had bad costumes, but here..) and with the terrible CGI.. but why even shoot it that way? if you insist there needs to be "the light", then shoot around it. And its true, it didn't answer any questions, it only added vague mythic status to the same questions. Everything about this was so vague, not ambiguous, which is the way LOST should and use to be. it might've been my least favorite episode, if only because the stakes were so high. about halfway through my friends and i started imagining tim heidecker as jacob and eric wareheim as smokie and the lines actually started to work.

^^ i once said that LOST was my star wars and i certainly sound like an angry fan boy. ha!

my only hope is that it doesn't sour the final few hours because those could still be satisfying as long as they don't start talking air again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on May 12, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
serious bullshit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 12, 2010, 07:55:55 PM
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/exclusive-interview-lost-producers-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-across-the-sea
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 12, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
so they're just not going to address the outrigger shootout at all? that's pretty stupid. i thought that was one of the cooler teases they've done on the show, apparently it was never meant to be anything special.

DL and CC are having a tough week i bet. that interview was pretty harsh. every answer starts with "we're telling the story we want to tell.... etc."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: OrHowILearnedTo on May 12, 2010, 10:51:01 PM
i agree with pretty much everything mod said.

what pisses me off is that Jacob and MiB acted like completely different characters in other episodes. Are we supposed to believe all those other instances are supposed to take place during this timeline? Or were they after MiB became the smoke monster? If that's the case why does MiB have the same body if his is the one found in the caves? Wouldn't he need a new body (ie. the reason he's using Locke's)?

I think i would've preferred it if Jacob and MiB were more supernatural. I guess they sort of are, but clearly they are human right? And if they aren't i didn't understand what made them different. I don't really get why they're not allowed to die, or why Allison Janney got all weird when MiB was born. Did she sense some evil? but then she appears to think he's chosen for greatness or something.

man, just a bad episode, made even more frustrating since there's only 2 left.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 12, 2010, 11:03:34 PM
this is gearing up to be one of the most epic shark jumping endings of any show in the history of tv.

i didn't bother catching up in time cos i just don't care anymore, i'll see it at my leisure spoilers or no spoilers.

i'm eager to see how bad they fuck up the ending tho. this is gonna be huge. the fucked up part will be that there will be heaps of ppl who care even less than me and just like to tune in to see the final episodes of things. that always happens, otherwise why is it that series finales are such huge ratings hits? where were all these ppl before? they'll get their moneys worth of shitty endings alright!

i'm tempted to watch it myself just to be there when it happens. and to join the millions of disappointed voyeurs.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 12, 2010, 11:14:02 PM
I asked my wife this morning, after sleeping on this episode, "What kind of assholes think they can get away with writing 'It's the light that's inside every man'?" This episode had such fucking terrible dialogue, as has been said, it made Allison Janney look bad. Could not agree more with what's been said so far.

After reading that article, they are way too fucking defensive of the show. Why is every answer "that was/wasn't our intent"? Why can't they just say, "Yeah we fucked up and we sucked at writing that week"? Some episodes are great, some are terrible. Across the Sea was terrible because, as Devin at CHUD points out (http://bit.ly/a7Tuoz), they just plain wrote a shitty fucking episode. The Hitfix guy should've asked if it was their intent to write a terrible episode. Quality of writing is different from quality of story, and they should learn to differentiate the two. But to be egalitarian, the quality of the story was fucking awful too.

These guys, especially Lindelof, need to realize that the people who are pissed are not just some fringe group of Tea Partiers who think the show is terrible; it's the people who've watched from season 1 or caught up since then that are turning their backs. They're either oblivious or in denial, and it might kill their little show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 12, 2010, 11:30:14 PM
i think they're just sick of the thing by now.

it's strange cos they didn't use to be this way. remember when they killed off those two worthless new characters several seasons ago (forget their names, some broad and some italian dude) in the one episode after audience backlash? or was that planned. i don't think so. it was them going "oh shit we're going the wrong way with this, let's stick to the classics".

i wonder if their ultra-defensiveness since then has been due to their contractual obligation to conclude the show at a given point and in a given way. ok they weren't told they had to end the show in a certain way but when they decided it was gonna die, they had to decide how to do it or it just wouldn't be professional -- in order to budget, plan, etc. so all the mistakes they're making this year were decided ages ago, and with no input from fans whom history has shown actually know the show better than the creators themselves.

sort of like what happened to the simpsons in the opposite direction. they decided at some point to NEVER end the show, and so with this infinite goal decided they never had to listen to fans cos they were here to stay no matter what, and what you get then is an insulated piece of shit with no idea what made the show good from week to week cos they're thinking decade to decade.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 13, 2010, 03:45:46 AM
P-
It was Nicky and Paulo and it was because of backlash.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 13, 2010, 06:42:25 AM
It was really bad.

The worst thing in my opinion is that we have watched Lost all these years and we relate to and care about all these central characters, and they cannot be all gone for an entire episode when there are two episodes left. No way. Plus, that scene towards the end seemed so forced. They really spent more time thinking how they can give answers and make it look good, than to worry if it makes sense or not to explain that.

After last episode, which I also did not love but with a lot of shit that went down, I want to go back and see what happens with all these people, the flash sideways, etc. There doesn't seem to be enough time to finish this.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 13, 2010, 08:24:21 AM
They should've done an episode of Jacob and Smokie of this video instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8JBYlNTf-Q&playnext_from=TL&videos=ZXaV3amElyg
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 13, 2010, 02:15:23 PM
I'm not going to defend this episode, but I'm still excited to see what happens now that the last bit of mythology is out of the way.

I really think that with TV, bad episodes sometimes just happen.  They're not allowed to admit to it so they have to just brush off the hate and move on.

Mod is still overreacting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 13, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
It's just a disappointment when the bad episode happens this close to the end, and on such an important part of the story. And it didn't HAVE to be bad; with some restructuring and a good rewrite, it could have been something special. How bad it actually was is magnified by knowing how good it could have been.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 14, 2010, 09:45:53 AM
I just watched it last night and my gf had seen it tuesday. So when I went to bed last night I told her : ''Well that was useless!'' and she replied: ''well... it was nice to see Kate and Jack in the old episode, they looked different''

I thought that was pretty evocative of how useless the episode was.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on May 14, 2010, 11:06:27 AM
ya pretty much everything about this episode was bad, which is unfortunate because by and large this season has been really good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 14, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
There are some reviews for the next episode online already. Without being spoilerish, it apparently gets things back on track and kicks things into gear big time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 18, 2010, 11:45:08 PM
pretty pretty pretty good
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on May 18, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

I'm calling Juliet.  You heard it here first.

Dark hair, and pouty eyes. i'm calling Kate.


Yep.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: blackmirror on May 19, 2010, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 18, 2010, 11:45:08 PM
pretty pretty pretty good

Yes, it was.  For the fans of this program, you probably agree completely that LOST is postmodern in attitude and approach -- a multiplicity of parallax views and ontological fugues. I think it seems to resemble life in a way because our lives are, already, postmodern. After pairing this episode with "Across the Sea", my feeling about it is that Jacob, like everyone else on LOST, is himself lost -- and this seems to be perfectly articulated in "What They Died For". Jacob isn't omniscient, he isn't a god. He's made a huge mistake in creating the Monster. He is also a human being that has been given a monumental task. Jacob has become an extremely sympathetic character for me. Notice how he resists his Mother's and his brother's perspective -- he believes, in fact, he WAGERS everything on the fundamental freedom of humanity to choose good, to choose sacrifice, to choose what is best for the world and not just for themselves. His entire life as guardian of the Island is based on this risk, this wager. That is commendable. He wasn't given a choice by his Mother. He wasn't really a candidate, he wasn't really free. But everything he has done since then has been for optimal freedom. Someone has to protect the Island, but he brought a wide range of people, spread a wide net, and finally offers this job as a choice. He gives the remaining candidates a choice, something he was not given. Jacob realizes that the task of guarding the Island is a burden and a blessing, not to be taken lightly, and he knows that it will include a lot of suffering, but regardless of that he has made up his own rules so that there will be an optimization of freedom. The scene where he gathers the remaining castaways around the fire and offers them this job was my favorite from tonight -- how different that was from the talk with Mother outside the cave. His burning ashes was a graceful and simple preparation for the approaching, long-awaited denouement.  I also love the idea that Jacob not only protects the Island, but the Island has given him a purpose he never would have had, otherwise. It is a noble and heroic life. Likewise, he saw in the candidates himself: his own loneliness, his own emptiness, and offered these people a chance to make of their lives something great, something more than they could ever be on their own. Jacob reiterates what Locke and others have said of the Island, if you give yourself to it -- give it your life -- it can give something back to you. Not happiness, but meaning. A life with a transcendent purpose.  For a television show, that's pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 19, 2010, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 18, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

I'm calling Juliet.  You heard it here first.

Dark hair, and pouty eyes. i'm calling Kate.


Yep.

Kate was a fugitive in the sideways timeline, on the same 815 flight as Jack and everyone else. They are going to a concert, where David says his mother will be. Kate has been tied up in jail....I would say no.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: OrHowILearnedTo on May 19, 2010, 03:38:26 AM
Quote from: Derek on May 19, 2010, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 18, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

I'm calling Juliet.  You heard it here first.

Dark hair, and pouty eyes. i'm calling Kate.


Yep.

Kate was a fugitive in the sideways timeline, on the same 815 flight as Jack and everyone else. They are going to a concert, where David says his mother will be. Kate has been tied up in jail....I would say no.

"We are going to a concert"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 19, 2010, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: blackmirror on May 19, 2010, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: ddiggler on May 18, 2010, 11:45:08 PM
pretty pretty pretty good

Yes, it was.  For the fans of this program, you probably agree completely that LOST is postmodern in attitude and approach -- a multiplicity of parallax views and ontological fugues. I think it seems to resemble life in a way because our lives are, already, postmodern. After pairing this episode with "Across the Sea", my feeling about it is that Jacob, like everyone else on LOST, is himself lost -- and this seems to be perfectly articulated in "What They Died For". Jacob isn't omniscient, he isn't a god. He's made a huge mistake in creating the Monster. He is also a human being that has been given a monumental task. Jacob has become an extremely sympathetic character for me. Notice how he resists his Mother's and his brother's perspective -- he believes, in fact, he WAGERS everything on the fundamental freedom of humanity to choose good, to choose sacrifice, to choose what is best for the world and not just for themselves. His entire life as guardian of the Island is based on this risk, this wager. That is commendable. He wasn't given a choice by his Mother. He wasn't really a candidate, he wasn't really free. But everything he has done since then has been for optimal freedom. Someone has to protect the Island, but he brought a wide range of people, spread a wide net, and finally offers this job as a choice. He gives the remaining candidates a choice, something he was not given. Jacob realizes that the task of guarding the Island is a burden and a blessing, not to be taken lightly, and he knows that it will include a lot of suffering, but regardless of that he has made up his own rules so that there will be an optimization of freedom. The scene where he gathers the remaining castaways around the fire and offers them this job was my favorite from tonight -- how different that was from the talk with Mother outside the cave. His burning ashes was a graceful and simple preparation for the approaching, long-awaited denouement.  I also love the idea that Jacob not only protects the Island, but the Island has given him a purpose he never would have had, otherwise. It is a noble and heroic life. Likewise, he saw in the candidates himself: his own loneliness, his own emptiness, and offered these people a chance to make of their lives something great, something more than they could ever be on their own. Jacob reiterates what Locke and others have said of the Island, if you give yourself to it -- give it your life -- it can give something back to you. Not happiness, but meaning. A life with a transcendent purpose.  For a television show, that's pretty amazing.
:bravo: welcome!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 20, 2010, 01:53:43 AM
I don't want it to end!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 21, 2010, 10:06:31 AM
Does Lost Owe Us Anything? (http://gawker.com/5543928/does-lost-owe-us-anything)
Source: Gawker
By Richard Lawson

As the bigtime Lost finale approaches (Sunday, 9pm), folks are getting concerned that the show won't end satisfyingly. Well, concerned might be too gentle. Some people are preemptively angry. We're wondering today: Do they have a right to be?

It's sort of that age-old (well, TV age old at least) question of what, if any, contract have the creators of a serial television show signed with the audience. In a perfect world, or a vacuum, television writers would be able to write the episodes and seasons they wanted and the fans, grateful for the free(ish) entertainment, would lap it up all the same. Some small disappointments, some favorite episodes, but mostly everything would be the same mid-high level of enjoyment. Sometimes that does happen with easier-to-swallow series like NCIS or Two and a Half Men, but for more complex shows, the ones that really suck viewers in, a sense of the proprietary begins to emerge. Ownership of the show's content is transferred from the minds behind the story to those gobbling it up and demanding more far faster than the creative folks can produce.

New York Times TV critic Mike Hale touches on this point today, looking at how the balance of power in the Lost story has shifted over the years:

Certainly we have always expected the satisfaction of resolution and revelation in our fictional narratives, but we had to let creators provide it on their own terms and then judge the overall result. "Lost" is a sign that that's not so true anymore, at least with regard to television. Now that the public conversation about how a work should play out can be louder, and have greater impact, than the work itself, the conversation will inevitably begin to shape the work in ways that earlier television producers - or, say, Charles Dickens - never had to reckon with.

And he's right. Lost showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have themselves admitted to curating a balance between what they wanted to do and — in a more workmanlike, episode-to-episode, little details kind of way — what the audience was clamoring for. "You hate Nikki and Paulo? Fine, here, they're dead," they seemed to say (in their biggest and most unfortunate mea culpa). It was an interesting thing to watch, nerdy fanboys who make the product conversing with the nerdy fanboys who consume it. It was kind of charming, a friendly back-and-forth about a great mind-bending adventure. Neither side seemed to be terribly irked by the other, and the dialogue between lord and serf progressed mostly civilly.

But at some point that relationship kind of soured, didn't it? At some point this season or last, things got a little more urgent. And as episode after episode failed to answer this riddle or that mystery, rancor grew and grew. Now you have beleaguered cast and crew trying to hold strong against the backlash—they made the show they wanted to make, and fans will have to deal with it one way or the other. What happened happened. Which, OK, holding firm on artistic principle is all well and good. We can get behind that.

And yet they then announce that the Season Six DVD package will contain answers to additional mysteries. So wait a tic. They had answers to things but didn't put them in the show? Why, did they run out of time? Do they not care about creating the perfect bow-topped present for us? And this here is where the anger comes in.

While walking home with a friend from a viewing party on Tuesday night, I sighed and said words I never thought I'd say. "I feel like they lied to us, I feel cheated, all the time travel and Dharma stuff and everything that happened up until we met Jacob and MIB was filler." I felt sincerely disappointed with the penultimate episode (and the one before it...) and, more strangely, I felt genuine anger toward Cuse and Lindelof. I was mad that they'd created this beautiful mystery box (where's that box from Season 3 anyway?) and then filled it with, what, hokum about the light inside us all and the struggle between faith and curiosity? All of this is just about the age-old and well-worn debate between the heart and the mind? This was not the creepy hatch-beeping, number-pushing, mechanical smoke dinosaur ride I'd signed up for six rainy years ago. And they knew. They knew it wasn't going to be, but they kept stringing us along. They kept acting coy at interviews, promising us that they'd wrap things up properly, that most of these strings (the bigger ones at least) were all leading to one common, perfect knot. And yet so far this season has felt so rushed and vague, such a severe left turn from the previous five years of narrative. By the time my friend and I reached Bowery, I was a bit whipped up, mad that I'd ever let myself love again after the slow march toward disappointment that was the whole X-Files mythology.

Look at something like The Sopranos. That show was capital-A Art, and its unsatisfying ending (to some, not me!) mostly came to be accepted as a confusing but artistically justifiable maestro's stroke. Why can't Lost be the same? Well, because while The Sopranos certainly had its share of unanswered questions — where's the Russian from the Pine Barrens?? — creator David Chase was typically fairly tight-lipped and determined about where the show was heading. He never indulged the audience in the same way that Lindelof and Cuse, whether by mandate of ABC or by their own ego, certainly did. They stuffed us full of mysteries like Se7en gluttons and promised, promised, us that if we just held on for three more seasons, we'd be happy. Or mostly happy. At least content. But now the time's come and the final episodes have felt a bit like diversionary farts. Isn't it sad that Sun and Jin died? Yes, it is, but not enough to make us stop wondering about Walt and Why Aaron Is Special and Egyptian Hatch Symbols. All those questions. You promised guys. You really did. And now we just have to eat the thin soup it really feels like you're going to give us on Sunday. And that sucks. Basically, I went to sleep angry on Tuesday night.

But then the next day I woke up and felt silly. I'm just watching a free TV show that has provided many hours of viewing entertainment and countless more of theorizing with friends and wasting work days reading Doc Jensen and The Tail Section. If the show's mythology does come down to a rudimentary rumination on faith, well... so be it. I'll still have loved the entire first season, I'll still have covered my eyes when barefooted Others first walked by, still marveled at Elizabeth Mitchell's coolly brilliant acting. Lost was a great show! And it's still a pretty good one. Plus it's not even over yet, I could yet be satisfied. Why be so mad? What do they—Them, the Lost powers that be, the true Others — really owe me, or any of us, anyway?

We invested lots of time, they invested countless dollars and man hours and creative energy. We propped up the show with our eyeballs, our blog posts, our participation in those agonizing summertime internet Easter egg hunts. They created the whole thing, out of nothing. Is that really equal work done? Not really. They did all the heavy lifting. Let them end it their way. We should just be grateful for the fun. That's the best way to think about it.

But then I think about every forgotten question and I'm mad again. And then I'm not. I catch myself. This is silly. Is it silly? Are we all being silly about a TV show, or do we deserve something grander, more wholly definitive than it feels like we're gonna get?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 21, 2010, 12:42:28 PM
Hurley says goodbye to 'Lost'
Jorge Garcia writes about the popular series' end
Source: Variety

At 5 a.m. on April 24, I became unemployed.

I just wrapped my six-season run on "Lost." The job that went above and beyond anything I could have imagined was over. When I auditioned for "Lost," I was just another out-of-work actor struggling to land a pilot. When I first went in to meet the producers, there wasn't any material for me, except a few sides they had for the character Sawyer.

I felt great about the audition; so great, in fact, that getting the part wasn't important because I knew I couldn't have done any better. Then I got the call that I was going to test, and that they were going to write scenes specifically for me. I remember noticing I was the only Hurley in the room waiting to test. I called my agent from the parking lot afterward and said, "I don't know what it meant but it felt like a good thing."

When I got hired I hadn't even seen the pilot script. All I knew was that it was a J.J. Abrams show and that it would shoot in Hawaii. I figured, if anything, I had just scored an extended Hawaiian vacation.

Moving to Hawaii was a dream come true. When I worked the magazine stand at Borders in Westwood, I remember seeing a picture of Kelsey Grammer in his Hawaiian home on the cover of Architectural Digest and thinking that having a home in Hawaii was a good benchmark for success. Not two months in my new apartment in L.A., I was trying to figure out what to pack for a show that I had no idea how long would last. Now six years later, I walk around my house trying to figure out what to pack from all of the stuff I have amassed in Hawaii over the show's run.

During the pilot and the first summer of shooting we bonded quickly as a cast. After all, not unlike the show's premise, we literally found ourselves on an island with one another. We'd go to each other's houses on the weekends and nights when we weren't shooting. When the shows started airing, we would usually gather at the house of whomever the show was going to feature that week to watch and congratulate each other.

We had no information about what was going on beyond what we read in the script each week. We knew we were making TV that was not like anything seen before and crossed our fingers hoping we would find an audience who liked what we were doing.

The series premiere brought in better numbers than we anticipated and I remember saying to the other actors the next day, "I hope you like it in Hawaii because we may be here for a while."

As the seasons progressed, moments of being recognized on the street grew exponentially. There was a time during season one when all I had to do was tie my hair back to become invisible. Obviously, that does nothing for me now; neither does wearing a hat and sunglasses. At times both Daniel Dae Kim and Terry O'Quinn remarked how they enjoyed disappearing when they were around me as I would be the only one getting recognized.

Hawaii has been a wonderful place to hide for six years. Sometimes I could almost convince myself that "Lost" was a just a little show I did with friends in the jungle. I always liked to think of us as the tinkers in "A Midsummer Night's Dream" until something would shake that fantasy and I'd be forced to recognize how huge the show was becoming, like getting nominated for a Golden Globe. J.J., always the consummate mensch, wanted my experience to be enjoyable and easy at the awards, so he gifted me my first custom-tailored tuxedo.

I think the time spent under the cast tent on set will be what I'll miss the most. We sang songs to Terry and Naveen's guitar playing, made valiant group efforts to complete a Friday edition of the New York Times crossword puzzle and played a lot of Scrabble.

My last day on "Lost" was also my longest: 20 hours. Without going into details, I can say the shoot was dangerous, physical and wet. But what could be more appropriate? How else could we end this epic show without an epic marathon night of shooting? At the end of it all we all remarked how we expected the end to be more emotional for us, but we were too tired to cry.

I'll admit I got a little teary with Matthew Fox. I thanked him for everything he taught me, including taking me on his trip to Japan to see Green Day that first summer of shooting. At the time, flying at the last minute to a foreign country was way out of my comfort zone, but then again nothing on "Lost" was ever in my comfort zone.

I stuck around after even after I wrapped to see the martini shot of the entire show. I could feel director Jack Bender's resistance to call "print" on that last take. In fact I'm pretty sure he asked for one more take to delay the inevitable.

I still don't think the end of it all has hit me yet. Maybe I'll feel it when the finale finally airs Sunday. Or maybe it will hit me when I board the plane at Honolulu Airport for the last time as a Hawaiian resident.

I have no clue what my next adventure is going to be, I just know this job is going to be a hard one to follow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on May 23, 2010, 01:59:50 AM
Quote from: Derek on May 19, 2010, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 18, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 26, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
I wonder who david's mother is, have they showed this?

I'm wondering if I missed that in an episode.  I don't feel like i have, but cannot be sure?

I just don't think it's the sarah chick, or whatever her name is. The one who jack "saved."

I'm calling Juliet.  You heard it here first.

Dark hair, and pouty eyes. i'm calling Kate.


Yep.

Kate was a fugitive in the sideways timeline, on the same 815 flight as Jack and everyone else. They are going to a concert, where David says his mother will be. Kate has been tied up in jail....I would say no.


Yep AND!!!!


I don't want to call anyone ignorant, but if you can remember back a couple months to the FIRST EPISODE OF THE SEASON, KATE RUNS INTO JACK ON THE PLANE..."aw jeez, Kate, I didn't recognize the mother of my own child"

I kinda don't know if whoever called Kate as Mom is joking or not...because I know some people who wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 23, 2010, 11:15:43 PM
Loved it.   :cry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 24, 2010, 01:39:04 AM
I was crying my eyes out.  :yabbse-cry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 24, 2010, 01:42:03 AM
Ditto. I don't know if it all holds together intellectually, but that's a question for tomorrow and the day after. It was as emotionally satisfying a finale as we could have possibly hoped for. For now, I'll just say it was perfect.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Myxo on May 24, 2010, 01:55:14 AM
Since this thread has a (SPOILERS) tag on it, I'll open up.

I'd never seen a single episode of the series but watched the final tonight. I figured hey, I'll just see what I can follow. A co-worker of mine spent the better part of an hour this past Friday explaining things to me. I remembered telling her "what if they're all just dead and none of what your'e watching is really real? What if their experiences are just some sort of purgatory? Like a process of letting go?" She seemed mad at me for that notion. But from everything she had told me, I sensed enough religious allegory to make some good guesses. She was mad at me because everyone being dead all along seemed like the "easy route" to her. For a series with so many loose endings she just felt like that would be too easy an ending. I can't comment myself yet.

Seems like a good series. Even though I've seen how it ends, I'd like to watch the whole thing now.

..oh and the music for the finale was absolutely spot on great. It made the show engaging for me, even when I was confused. Was like a road map telling me how I should feel. An interesting way to watch a TV show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 24, 2010, 02:28:21 AM
I was a completely emotional wreck at the end...Man, that was satisfying...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 24, 2010, 05:09:10 AM
i'm happy with how it turned out.  :yabbse-smiley:

i can officially say it was a great series.

but i'm sad the rides over.  :(
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2010, 07:39:59 AM
Quote from: polkablues on May 24, 2010, 01:42:03 AM
Ditto. I don't know if it all holds together intellectually, but that's a question for tomorrow and the day after. It was as emotionally satisfying a finale as we could have possibly hoped for. For now, I'll just say it was perfect.

This is exactly it.  I'd like to watch the series from the beginning and see how well you can follow all the characters arcs/motivations as well as how many mysteries are tied up and how many left as loose ends.  But the finale was SO satisfying emotionally it managed to shift the focus away from all the nagging mysteries and back onto the characters.  A brilliant act of misdirection.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 24, 2010, 07:51:42 AM
Quote from: Myxo on May 24, 2010, 01:55:14 AM
Since this thread has a (SPOILERS) tag on it, I'll open up.

I'd never seen a single episode of the series but watched the final tonight. I figured hey, I'll just see what I can follow. A co-worker of mine spent the better part of an hour this past Friday explaining things to me. I remembered telling her "what if they're all just dead and none of what your'e watching is really real? What if their experiences are just some sort of purgatory? Like a process of letting go?" She seemed mad at me for that notion. But from everything she had told me, I sensed enough religious allegory to make some good guesses. She was mad at me because everyone being dead all along seemed like the "easy route" to her. For a series with so many loose endings she just felt like that would be too easy an ending. I can't comment myself yet.

Seems like a good series. Even though I've seen how it ends, I'd like to watch the whole thing now.

..oh and the music for the finale was absolutely spot on great. It made the show engaging for me, even when I was confused. Was like a road map telling me how I should feel. An interesting way to watch a TV show.

I don't think they were in Purgatory. They were definitely alive on the island and the island is definitely a real place; if they died it was when the show killed them off. It looks like Sawyer and Kate and the others might actually go on to have long lives after the island. I'm choosing to believe (foolhardy, maybe) that the sideways life isn't death either. 

I totally cried my eyes out last night, too. I'm fine with the fact that the show did misdirect from the island to the characters, so we don't know why a lot of things had happened but it doesn't even really matter, anymore. So sad the show's ending. I's been so long since I haven't had LOST to look forward to  :yabbse-sad:. Let's see if I can concentrate at work today!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 24, 2010, 09:35:29 AM
I will say that while it wasn't perfect, it was immensely moving and cemented its rightful place as one of the best tv shows every created. It's one of those sad/happy endings like Six Feet Under, that I just want to watch a few more times and let the tears flow. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 24, 2010, 09:58:23 AM
I wasn't sure how to feel about it at first, but after a second viewing i absolutely loved it, warts and all. I've never seen a room full of people so reduced to emotional rubble, only to spring up and yell "bullshit!' when it was all over. Perhaps these people have some things to work out...

Favorite moment? Ben apologizing to Locke, and the realization that even though he had lived a long happy life with Hurley, he died a man still having a lot to atone for. A perfect coda for one of televisions most complex characters.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on May 24, 2010, 11:04:59 AM
i've wondered for years how this show can appeal to smart people and dumb people. i've known people who love both lost and the wire and who love both lost and two and a half men. it looks like the finale has finally divided those two groups. i've found that most people whose opinions i respect liked the finale, and people who i thought were stupid didn't like it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 24, 2010, 11:26:04 AM
It was emotionally satisfying, but I can't shake the feeling that we got Bobby in the shower for half of the season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 24, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
Lost was the best Network television drama.

You just have to keep in mind the limitations with being a prime-time show on ABC or any network run by old men and idiots who don't even like television.  Lost did the best they could with that in mind.

The series was so compelling that pretty-much any end is going to be hugely disappointing to a lot of people.  If you end the series how people want it to end, you get called out for being predictable and pandering, but if you don't pander at least a little, you're going to get it from the other side.

I agree with a lot of what this review says (http://io9.com/5545911/lost-was-the-ultimate-long-con) except that the reviewer was over-reacting and not dealing with the fact that things didn't go "how he wanted".  It was a snap reaction to not getting his way.

I had some issues with this finale... I wanted a bigger final fight.  I wanted it to be more difficult to kill Smokey.  I wanted Jack to reveal some kind of power that we never knew Jacob had, giving more weight to "Now you're like me", but mostly I wanted more reason to care who gets off the island (other than Claire, who we've been forced to lose interest in getting back to Aaron).

I'm not going to be angry about it, though.  I'm still sitting on how I feel about the last 15 minutes and how I interpret it, but I'm accepting it.  That's what happened. 
Now I can go back and watch, knowing what I know and put things together.  That should be fun.

Cuse and Lindelof were initially each given a different half of the information about how the series ends and had to keep each other in check without revealing to the other what they knew.

I don't know which is which, but clearly they're Jacob and MIB and we're the Losties.  They were thrown into this position without really knowing why or where exactly it would end.  They make up the rules even though some of the rules don't make much sense.  They've been sending us through different tests and mazes, some worth it, some not.  Some of us lost faith and quit early, some of us stuck around until the end only to feel betrayed, and some of us were saved.  What's undeniable though is that it was something special and different... it was a unique experience and I'm glad to have had it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2010, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate on May 24, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
Cuse and Lindelof were initially each given a different half of the information about how the series ends and had to keep each other in check without revealing to the other what they knew.

From who? JJ?  Where did you hear/read this?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 24, 2010, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: modage on May 24, 2010, 12:48:54 PM
From who? JJ?  Where did you hear/read this?

I don't know that it was JJ, but maybe.
They talked about it a lot on the lost podcast around season 2 or 3.  To be honest, it could have been a joke/wink considering the direction the show went, but it made sense at the time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
I think it was a joke.  Anyway, can you guys believed I loved it too?  I think the finale will separate the cynical viewers from the fans rest.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 24, 2010, 02:26:08 PM
Oh man, I dislike comments like that. It draws a line in the sand where if you have criticisms, you're not a fan.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2010, 02:27:58 PM
I don't think that's true at all.  I've had criticisms most of the season (and going back several seasons).  I just believe the finale brought things together successfully.  When it ended I thought EMOTIONALLY it worked for me, but I could imagine the reaction being that it was too sentimental and not enough "mysteries were solved".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 24, 2010, 02:35:10 PM
Well it was emotional, which was good...but that was probably the easiest payoff for the creators to have resolved regarding all aspects of the show. They say it is a character piece at the core, and that the island is merely a catalyst for their arcs/redemption. Which is fine to a point. The only problem I have is that they have spent a lot of time/energy teasing about the mythological and sci-fi aspects of the show only to have it boil down to a broad good vs. evil, Jack. vs. MIB fistfight in the end. I do agree with the IO9's statement that it has been like watching a sporting event where you are not familiar with the rules.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 24, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
I'm so glad to see that wasn't the only crying like a fucking baby.

The finale was the most satisfying experience, I cannot not not believe they pulled it off. Never thought I'd be so pleased with it. It's so weird how I've gone from thinking "If they don't explain why Walt was special, I'm going to hate having watched this show" to "Walt wasn't even in the finale, and I don't care. His being special was important to the Dharma Initiative, but it's not important to me anymore. That was just one of many facets of the show, and I'm ok with that." I feel like I've been fucking brainwashed, but with joy and sadness and characters being fulfilled. They truly outdid themselves. At the end of the day, they were fundamentally right in centering the show around the characters.

As for how I'm interpreting the ending, I still need to mull it over, but I feel good about it. I could watch that finale for days.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2010, 04:58:17 PM
i blog'd: http://modage.tumblr.com/post/629194540/i-loved-and-lost
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 24, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
I have really struggled with the season, there's been a lot I haven't enjoyed at all. However, the finale redeemed all that. Finally the focus was back on the characters we'd spent the past 5 years following. I wish this final season had been completely different. The focus, the storytelling choices were all wrong in my opinion. But that was a good last episode (Jack's slow-motion dive towards Fake Locke notwithstanding). Definitely brought the emotional impact, the connection with the characters the rest of this season has been lacking. I'm still not sure right now, having had 24 hours to process it all, exactly how all the pieces fit together. I never expected to have everything made sense. In fact, I've long said that I hope they didn't try to over-explain everything. But it would have been nice if some of the focus these past 16 episodes had been elsewhere. But it was nice seeing everyone get their little moments of individual escape throughout the episode: Richard's first grey hair... Sawyer and Juliet reunited... Jack finally satisfied in having helped his friends leave the island... I don't mean to keep pissing on this season but I really didn't get along with the vast majority of it. For the longest time I thought (and to a lesser extent still do) that the season five ending would have made a suitable end to the show. Did the bomb save them? Or not? Who knows?!?! It would have been a cool cliffhanger ending (the same way "I'm not Michael Vaughn" should have ended Alias). But it would have lacked the emotional impact and sense of resolution this true ending brought. That final scene, it was way cool. Ben haning on outside. The stained glass window, all major religions and the donkey wheel represented. "There is no now."

:bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 25, 2010, 01:30:12 AM
So it seems that i'm the only one among my friends who was satisfied with the finale. This saddens me, because I can't remember the last time I felt so emotionally satisfied by any viewing experience, much less a network television one. There are plot holes aplenty, and the show obviously introduced a lot of elements to stretch out the narrative (the whole Jughead misdirection being the worse offender), but the finale created a nice bookend to what worked so well with the show in the first place. As interesting as the island is, the show's biggest revelations always came through the characters and the choices they made. To cry out that the show decided to ignore it's own mythology in service of character would be missing what the mythology actually was.  Instead of our characters being pawns of the island, it's actually the other way around. The show can't offer definitive answers about what the island's purpose is, because those answers change with each era (Jacob's era vs. Hurley's, etc.). The island is real and is indeed a special place, but it's only as special as the characters allow it to be. It may seem like a cop out, but it's a nice way of avoiding convoluted mythology inconsistencies and it allows the show to focus on it's strengths.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on May 25, 2010, 09:29:56 AM
I didn't cry but it made me terribly sad and still am, obviously I'm going to miss the show but the one thing I'm going to miss the most is this, reading and talking about it with you guys, ill miss a show where almost everyone was on board, it doesn't matter that sometimes some where loving it or hating it, it was the one thread that when the show was airing it was talked about.

I hope we get another show that bring us together, not that right now there aren't good shows, there are plenty but not on network tv, and some of you guys just don't watch cable for whatever reason.

Also, the music can't get out of my head, I'm pretty sure that's why I'm still sad.


EDIT:
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi7.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy251%2Ffbv%2Flostchapel.jpg&hash=034a8d825c7a79542323b82d4271ed8dd7490af3)
loved this scene and its music, and that window is beautiful.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 25, 2010, 10:03:33 AM
Yeah, this was my go-to place for Lost talk. Most of the interesting, thoughtful, and relatable conversations happened here for me.

That being said, I still have regrets about the show. After talking with friends, who still loved the finale, but couldn't get over feeling the writers bullshit their way through much of the series, I've been thinking about things I really, really, REALLY wish had amounted to more.

This doesn't need to be a list of "reasons why Lost sucked after all", but for me, it's reminiscing about things that were so cool and fascinating that just didn't necessarily pan out. It might help me 'let go' of the show as well.

-Miles can speak with the dead - this was an incredibly fascinating ability to give to a character on a show where speaking with the dead could be both a useful and powerful device. However, it seemed to only be utilized when the writers remembered that Miles' power wasn't only comic relief. Miles could've been a great conduit for discerning information about Jacob and MIB and the island's past, but this never seemed to amount to anything other than a super power for Widmore's Fantastic Four.

-Walt - kids grow up, and for a show that would sometimes spend several episodes on a single day, having a child actor on the show was never going to work out. But then why did Walt tell Locke he had 'work to do'? Why would he show up in the jungle speaking backwards in season 1? Could he conjure polar bears or was it just a bait-and-switch/red herring (not sure which device they used here) when we find out the polar bears were just a Dharma experiment? Anyone, there are countless reasons why not knowing more about Walt is possibly the largest detriment to the series.

-The magic box - remember when Ben convinced Locke there was a magic box in which anything you imagined could appear, and then lo and behold Locke's dad was sitting there? Unless this was just bullshit on Ben's part (and they actually went out and captured Anthony Cooper and brought him to the island), this seems like another for amazing avenue to not explore. Seems like they just came up with it so they could conveniently resolve some issues with Locke and Sawyer.

Those are just a few things. Granted, I could go and infer all I want about these elements of the series, but really I can't help but think, yeah, the writers were bullshitting a bit. But then I thought about Desmond and how he was actually this diplomat between life and death, and that blew my mind a bit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 25, 2010, 10:48:46 AM
Lost's Mr. Eko Turned Down Finale Guest Spot!
Source: E!Online

Why didn't Mr. Eko come back?

It's one of the most asked questions about Lost's final season. After all, everyone else returned! So what gives?

Sources tell me exclusively:

Lost's Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje—who played the iconic Mr. Eko—was offered a guest spot in last night's Lost series finale, but he...wait for it...turned it down.

According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out.

How and where would Adewale have popped up in the finale? I guess we'll never know, but he was definitely loved by many fans before his character's demise.

Eko (a warlord who pretended to be a priest in order to smuggle drugs) was the fifth character to die on Lost, after facing the Smoke Monster for a second time and getting attacked, and then telling Locke, "I saw the devil."

Producers have said their original plan was for Mr. Eko  to stay on the show four seasons, but they released Adewale from his contract after only one season because he wanted off the Island.

Leggo my Eko!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on May 25, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: abuck1220 on May 24, 2010, 11:04:59 AM
I've wondered for years how this show can appeal to smart people and dumb people. I've known people who love both lost and the wire and who love both lost and two and a half men. it looks like the finale has finally divided those two groups. I've found that most people whose opinions i respect liked the finale, and people who i thought were stupid didn't like it.

it's because the show is the ultimate guilty pleasure. and this is why comments like this are made:

Quote from: modage on May 24, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
I think it was a joke.  Anyway, can you guys believed I loved it too?  I think the finale will separate the cynical viewers from the fans rest.

I don't think you have to draw a line in the sand. because you're right, it is kinda a joke, but a joke that suckered "intelligent" people in. this is why we started loving movies/TV to begin with, to be suckered in. long before we took a film history/theory class.

I'm sure people will read too deeply into it and come up with pseudo philosophical insights like they did with the matrix. in my opinion, they're just not there in lost; or at least not the the level that people will infuse into the show.

with that said, i loved the ending, and the show. i don't know how well it will age (the finale) but it was definitely emotionally satisfying. i love how the shots were mirrored at the end to the first episode's beginning, creating a stylistic and emotional bookend even if the plot doesn't add up. obvious questions are still out there, like what was the point of the nuke if it's purgatory? or what was the point of lock if it's not him in the last season.

there was some great acting in this episode. one thing i feel didn't work in the last season was the relationship between sawyer and Juliet. they just didn't have the chemistry that he did with Kate, yet they totally pulled off the moment they reunited in purgatory, i was moved. charlie and Clair did an excellent job of this as well, who i felt in the past charlie was 90% of the reason we cared about them being together (cuz let's be honest beyond something nice to look at, Emilie de Ravin doesn't bring much to the acting table).

i don't know why people keep saying that the island was purgatory... the island happened, it's just that in purgatory there is no timeline. this is stated by christian Sheppard directly. also Kate says to jack that she's really missed him, because she escaped the island and lived the rest of her life. so for her the events in purgatory are after the full life she lived. This isn't a subjective device, it was quite clearly laid out.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on May 25, 2010, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: Gamblour. on May 25, 2010, 10:03:33 AM
-The magic box - remember when Ben convinced Locke there was a magic box in which anything you imagined could appear, and then lo and behold Locke's dad was sitting there? Unless this was just bullshit on Ben's part (and they actually went out and captured Anthony Cooper and brought him to the island), this seems like another for amazing avenue to not explore. Seems like they just came up with it so they could conveniently resolve some issues with Locke and Sawyer.

IMO, at that time Ben was like ten thousand steps ahead of everyone, obviously he knew about cooper and locke and just invented that magic box thing, I think they brought him on the sub, but, it would have been interesting to see more details of how they brought him to the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 25, 2010, 12:22:41 PM
i distinctly remember Ben saying the magic box was a metaphor. Even without that bit of info, you can chalk up everything Ben said as lies to protect his power.  I have friends that complain that we never got an explanation behind the Tawaret Statue and the ruins on the island, which I think is just untrue. It's pretty well illuminated through Jacob's and Richard's flashback that this situation has happened many times before. I think that's all the info I need. i did groan a bit at the black rock hitting the statue, i was hoping that statue falling was a result of the end of some kind of ancient island conflict, but the show has always subverted expectations so it's not something i'm very upset about. They even telegraphed in season 1 just how the black rock got there, so their explanation actually makes more sense.

Anyway, I loved the show, and am really glad it was part of my life over the years. I couldn't even tell you the countless hours i've spent discussing it with friends and family and in a weird way it kind of brought me closer to these people. It was an exclusive club for intelligent people who could appreciate a good yarn. I'm going to miss it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 25, 2010, 02:14:40 PM
Mod I really dug your blog post.

I found the finale emotionally satisfying and mostly enjoyed it even if it didn't redeem what was a pretty meh final season. Whoever said they would never be able to top the paralyzing awesomeness of the season 3 finale was right because they so didn't. I also think it's not fair to write off the entire series because of this final season, which most of the haters on the interweb have been quick to do. Even in its most maddening moments it was still a fun ride.

I have no idea how this will age. It would be interesting to revisit all the seasons on DVD, but not anytime soon. I've officially OD'd on all that is Lost. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on May 25, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
pretty funny, though some are irrelevant, some are explained and some it just doesn't matter all that much:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

still loved the show but there are some valid questions here.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 25, 2010, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: socketlevel on May 25, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
pretty funny, though some are irrelevant, some are explained and some it just doesn't matter all that much:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

still loved the show but there are some valid questions here.

Haha yes

BTW you guys are such fanboys it's not even funny. How was that finale remotely satisfying?

This made no sense. No sense at all.

If someone finds a websight that makes any sense of what went on in a logical and not complete bullshit way, please link.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 25, 2010, 05:45:05 PM
I've been quiet about this show for most of the season. I didn't love the season, but even at its worse, LOST is still an amazing TV show, that knows no rules, even though the characters kept talking about rules.

The finale, well, like most of you, I was quite moved by the last few minutes of it, I also didn't cry (I don't cry at the movies), but my heart hurt. It was one of the most beautiful moments I've ever watched on TV, and I'd place it right up there alongside the Six Feet Under finale. To me, this was the way to end. More about the characters, less about the mythology, wchich was cool, but was never the reason I loved the show. Frankly, I couldn't care less about all those unanswered questions. Whatever was explained, was. What was not, it's up for me to figure it out my own way.

One point that I would really love to see discussed more, let me see if you guys are up to it: do you think the island could really destroy the world? What do you guys think about the island? What was it? To me, it was that place between life and death. By that I don't mean, at all, the purgatory. No. Whatever happened in the island was real, it's just a place in our world where only a few can get to. Due to its mysterious powers, people tried to go there and explore it, maybe to try and find richness in something they didn't fully understand (Widmore, The Black Rock, etc.). What made it special was that cave, who was a sort of gate to the spiritual world, hence, when people said that if the island was destroyed, everyone they knew would be dead, that meant that they could never go to the other side, and death would become the limit of human life. The island is the gate that takes you beyond death. That's why there were ghosts on the island, and voices and whatnot. People who were waiting to pass to the other side. To move on. For some time, I thought this season would turn out to be Donnie Darko when it was more The Sixth Sense.

Well, these are my thoughts after living with the sad notion these last few days that LOST is gone for good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 26, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
I'm still amazed that even the preliminary NY Times review of the finale stated that the whole show took place in purgatory. Even a few days later I'm still hearing "intelligent" people saying they now hate the show because none of it ever happened. Yikes. The further I get from it the more the more I'm loving where the finale left the show. I am still a little afraid that if I go back and rewatch the series, knowing how it all ends, that it's not going to hold up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on May 26, 2010, 12:03:08 PM
ya i'm really surprised by this as well, they're going for the stock answer without looking at the obvious narrative.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 26, 2010, 01:55:44 PM
ABC clarifies that everyone on LOST was NOT dead the whole show
Source: SciFi Wire

Remember how confusing it was when Jack (Matthew Fox) closed his eye Sunday night at the end of Lost and the series' logo appeared on our TV screens, only to be followed by crash images of Oceanic 815? What the heck was that about?

Were we being told that no one had survived Oceanic 815's original crash landing—and that we'd invested our hearts in a show in which nothing we'd seen over the last six years had ever really happened?

ABC wants us to know—those final images had nothing at all to do with the Lost storyline, the Los Angeles Times reported. The network ran them only to soften the transition from the ending of the series to the news show that followed, and had never considered that any of us would think it related to the actual ending of the show. (Which some of us around here did!)

An ABC spokesperson wrote in an email Tuesday: "The images shown during the end credits of the Lost finale, which included shots of Oceanic 815 on a deserted beach, were not part of the final story but were a visual aid to allow the viewer to decompress before heading into the news."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on May 26, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
Jesus fucking Christ! They gave us one of the most entertaining TV shows ever, with plenty to discuss if you're into it (good or bad, that's up to each viewer), and people dismiss this saying that they were dead the whole time? Well, this is the kind of shit statement that separates the real fans from those who watched it only because they're network TV junkies.

On the other hand, if they really showed images from the 815 crashed somewhere, well, that's either the ultimate proof that networks are run by idiots who don't understand their own shows, or just a bad, bad idea.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 26, 2010, 09:29:59 PM
Disney has officially set Lost: The Final Season for DVD and Blu-ray Disc release on 8/24 (SRP $59.99 and $79.99). The 5-disc set will include original scripted content produced by Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse, bloopers and deleted scenes, audio commentaries, the Lost on Location and Crafting a Final Season featurettes and more. Meanwhile, Disney will also release Lost: The Complete Series on DVD and Blu-ray on 8/24 (SRP $229.99 and $279.99). That will be a 38-disc DVD set and a 36-disc Blu-ray set. Extras will include a full disc of exclusive-to-this-set bonus content (2+ hours) and all of the bonus content from the previous season sets. More details are expected to be announced soon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 26, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
On G4's "Attack Of The Show" today, Michael Emerson described the unaired sequence that will appear on DVD and Blu-ray Aug. 24:

"For those people that want to pony up and buy the complete 'Lost' series, there is a bonus feature, which is, um, you could call it an epilogue. A lost scene. It's a lot. It's 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley becoming number one and the end of the series."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on May 26, 2010, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: Derek on May 26, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
On G4's "Attack Of The Show" today, Michael Emerson described the unaired sequence that will appear on DVD and Blu-ray Aug. 24:

"For those people that want to pony up and buy the complete 'Lost' series, there is a bonus feature, which is, um, you could call it an epilogue. A lost scene. It's a lot. It's 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley becoming number one and the end of the series."


I am already disappointed that no-one's made a spoof intro sequence for the inevitable Hurley-Ben sit-com spin-off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 27, 2010, 01:30:15 PM
Dude! Lost's creators explain they actually IMPROVISED!
Source: SciFi Wire

Former Lost producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are acknowledging that while much of the recently concluded show's mind-bending stories and puzzle-piece arcs were mapped out from day one, other stories and arcs were the result of action-reaction or were simply winged as needed.

"It was a combination of both those things," Cuse said in an exclusive interview. "There was a big, mythic architecture which included a lot of what's in the finale, in terms of where we end the show, that we knew way back in the beginning. And then, before each season, we'd have a writers' mini-camp and spend a month without any pressure of writing other scripts, figuring out the architecture of the upcoming season. That'd sort of take the artists' rendering and turn it into blueprints, and then, during the season, episode by episode, we built the structure. We allowed ourselves a lot of flexibility to change things around as we were doing construction. It was impossible to have everything planned out, and so it was kind of built in stages."

On the phone with Cuse was his writing and producing partner Lindelof. He stressed that while everyone was thinking long-term, they had to do so without being presumptuous. After all, many a show—Lindelof cited Twin Peaks—fizzled out after a wildly successful first season. "We didn't want to be of the mindset in the first season to assume that people would want to watch the show for six years," Lindelof said. "That's a gift that the audience gave us, to be able to do the show as we did. To sit down at episode eight and start to talk about what you're going to do in the second season ... The guys doing FlashForward, for example, were being asked about the second season at the upfront last year. It's good to have a plan, but at the same time the most important plan is making the next episode really good. That's the only job that Carlton and I and everybody else on this show has ever had."

Lindelof added, "Sometimes in order to make the next episode really good you need to have an incredible superstructure and the blueprints that Carlton is referring to, but at the end of day it really wasn't until we negotiated the end date that we could sit down and in a very detailed way say, 'This is exactly what we want to do over the course of the next three years. We know exactly how many episodes we have to do, and we think people will probably watch us for another three years if we're able to execute this.'"

Now that Lost is in the history books, Lindelof is moving on to co-writing the next Star Trek feature. Cuse plans to take a break and then will seek out his next project. Meanwhile, for all the closure and answers the Lost finale provided, it also left many story threads hanging. What the heck was/is the island? Where was Walt, and what powers did he have, anyway? What did the Dharma Initiative actually want? Who built the statue, and why? In other words, there seems to be plenty more story to tell.

Cuse, asked if he'd want to be involved if Lost ever returns in some form, replied, "That's like when they interview boxers at the end of a fight and they say, 'Do you want a rematch?' and the guy is going 'No mas, no mas.' We are so exhausted ... that the only answer we can give you is that we have no plans to do anything else with the Lost franchise after this show. We're not setting it up. We didn't invent a sequel. We have no expectations that we will continue to do anything with the franchise. Right now we are viewing this as the end of our storytelling with Lost."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 27, 2010, 05:52:28 PM
Dude! Lost's creators point out obvious things that shouldn't need to be pointed out, except that people are often DUMB!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on May 28, 2010, 04:48:47 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/05/28/lost-complete-collection-box-art-and-contents-revealed/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/05/28/lost-complete-collection-box-art-and-contents-revealed/)
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashfilm.com%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fimages%2Flost-complete-series-box-set-550x421.jpg&hash=3715bb3b8e8f332f498beebb799427fcd959e1b1)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on May 28, 2010, 07:52:24 PM
I like the box set, but those geeky trinkets will get tossed right away.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 30, 2010, 03:22:05 PM
A Disappointed Fan Is Still a Fan
How the creators of Lost seduced and betrayed their viewers.
Emily Nussbaum
Source: NYMag


Just over a week ago, as the Lost finale loomed, the faithful made preparations. We baked "smoke monster" cakes; we watched cats on YouTube explain the plot. But mainly, we read interviews with the creative team of Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof (affectionately known to the online horde as Cuselof or Darlton), the show-runners who had, under creator J. J. Abrams, overseen one of the most interactive TV hits in history, a show designed to be mob-solved, scavenged for symbolism, and adored.

They were preparing us. In each interview, with a mix of humility and defensiveness, they repeated that they had "done the best they could." They had focused on the characters. And we, the viewers, shouldn't expect answers to everything—some we'd learn on DVD, others would never be resolved. So please stop asking about the four-toed statue. Let it go.

This kind of expectation management is, by now, a baseline responsibility of anyone steering a major TV sensation, and it's no easy task. Some (Aaron Sorkin) are driven crazy and write entire television series in response to audience critiques; others (David Chase) push back, brilliantly. But like a lot of genre writers, the Lost creators had always been more-forthcoming figures, warm and reassuring, regularly urging the audience that we, as fans, should trust them, and that we should be patient, that while there was no time to explain right now, if we hung on, all would finally be revealed.

Yet as the seasons passed, Darlton were also clearly unnerved by their most passionate devotees, who were busily compiling databases, freezing images for hints and clues, and generally acting like a particularly deranged, faintly Aspergian breed of forensic detectives. In 2007, Lindelof argued that "the really good critics" were fans at heart. "I find there is a very rare instance where your fan brain is having one reaction and your critical brain is having another. The level at which questions are asked of us is polarizing. You can tell it's personal. If they don't like it, it's like they're offended in a way."

Real fan-hood, in other words, is, at its purest level, love. As in Corinthians, fan-hood is patient, kind, not rude, etc. (It is also not easily angered and it keeps no record of wrongs.) The Fan of Faith is superior to the Fan of Science, and while it's natural to have questions, the ideal viewer should behave less like a nagging critic and more like a soul mate, supportive and committed even when doubts creep in.

At one point, during a New York Times panel on the Thursday night before the finale, Lindelof made this romantic-relationship metaphor explicit. In response to a question about fan disappointment, he described a first date that begins with the wrongheaded question "Are you going to disappoint me?" "Just see how it works out!" said Lindelof, in the voice of the show-slash-date. "If you're going to fall in love with somebody, you have to put aside that fear of disappointment."

Then again, if you build a show to be loved, heartbreak is always a risk. I'm a serious Lost fan—I watched every episode, I recapped the show online for years, I'm one of the fools who combed Egyptology sites to determine whether that damned statue was Tawaret or Subek—and yet I'm also someone who now thinks of the show as a failure. That fact doesn't erase the pleasure I got from Locke's orange-peel grin, but it does change the context. Because like so many, I hung on long after I had doubts: through cage sex, through the successful (but in retrospect nonsensical) time-travel gambit, through those great sequences among the Dharma hippies and into the drippy realm of the last season's alternative-reality time line (a.k.a. the Sideways Universe), in which the characters learned and grew. This wasn't a first date, after all; it was a six-year marriage. You don't just give up.

In the run-up to the finale, Lindelof posted to Twitter, expressing his love for the fans. But he also sent out a message directed at some online video artists I had never heard of: "But Fine Brothers? You shat on the show and that is not cool. I hereby revoke your status as 'fans.' "Lindelof's followers offered support, but there was also this: "I'm as big of a fan as you can be, and I think Fine Brothers couldn't have put it better. A disappointed fan is still a fan."

I spent the afternoon watching the Fine Brothers videos, of course. They were, as it turns out, hilarious: sharp, prickly satires "acted" out by action figures. In each one, characters from Heroes, Twilight, Battlestar Galactica, and other genre hits invaded the Lost universe to make rattled critiques. (In one, Spock simply started screaming, "I refuse to live in a place without logic!") With their South Park–style brass, a few of the satires were more fun to watch than the Season 6 Lost episodes, many of which boil down in my memory to bathetic baseball monologues and such camp lines as "I don't like the way English tastes on my tongue."

To Lindelof, the Fine Brothers weren't fans anymore. To me, their clear agitation and radical engagement with every element of the story meant that they were the most dedicated kind of fans: They cared enough to be pissed off. And who was to blame for that?

What made Lost fail? It's possible Cuselof's story was simply so Byzantine no one in the creative team could connect the dots, even with a two-year head start. It definitely didn't help that the show shifted from a diverse cast to the repeated tableaux of white guys bickering about fate while the female characters were either shot or (worse) congealed into bland love interests. But to me, one central problem—which we had hints of early on, back when the show was still pulling off one masterful structural coup after another—was that the series had become obsessed, in both overt and unconscious ways, with manipulating its own relationship with its fans, alternately evading and reflecting their critiques, and then finally satisfying them in the most condescending possible way, with sentimental sleight-of-hand.

Built as it was from video-game aesthetics, comic-book plots, and science fiction, Lost had always included witty internal acknowledgments of its own geek appeal, including characters who acted as stand-ins for Lost fans. Hurley began the series as an actual character, but he quickly became our avatar: the sci-fi geek, full of Star Wars references, loyal and positive, like Cuselof's ideal. In contrast, Arzt, the wicked fan, was a science teacher full of gripes, but he hilariously blew to bits in season one. Later, we got snarky Miles and Frank Lapidus, an outsider who made bemused remarks about the melodramas around him.

This was fun in the early seasons, when Darlton felt like they were in communion with their audience, but as the show began its final slide, these characters increasingly operated more as venting devices for fan frustrations—a way for the writers to let us know they heard us, but also to joke about logic problems or clichés instead of addressing them. The snarky chorus stood in contrast to the main ensemble, which, with a few exceptions, devolved from archetypal (but layered) characters into action figures, their aims narrowing, like video-game heroes, to a single goal: Find Sun, find Jin, find Claire, return to the island, get off the island.

Then, in the run-up to the final season, Cuselof suddenly inserted a shocking new framing device, a tactic that radically simplified their entire series: the twin dei ex machina of Jacob and the Man in Black. We'd gotten hints of Jacob's existence earlier (who was that man in the cabin? Who??), but Cuselof's reveal went beyond exposing the wizard. It redefined everything we'd watched as a game played by manipulative gods. Jacob smirked and wore Jesus robes. His brother, the Man in Black, was the evil Smoke Monster. While the pair were not named Cuse and Lindelof, it was hard to ignore the resemblance, since Lost's characters—like its fans—had been revealed as the pawns of narrative overseers who spoke in riddles, were hard to trust, and continually reassured them to be patient, the end was near.

Within that endgame, Cuselof introduced the MacGuffin to end all MacGuffins: a glowing pool of embarrassing special effects, unexplainable because, as we learned in another meta line, "every question will just lead to another question."

The peculiar thing about all this was that throughout its seasons, one of Lost's most appealing ambiguities had been that, for all those debates about science versus faith, the show had never been in the camp of credulous trust. It was an island full of con men and women, after all, emotional seducers (from Sawyer to Ben to Nikki and Paolo) who fleeced those who believed in them. John Locke, the show's Man of Faith and its most original character, was wrong again and again, and, in the end, died confused and despairing. His was an uncompromising plot within a show that increasingly pulled its punches, giving once-complex characters sacrificial and heroic outcomes. Jacob himself turned out to be in thrall to a lying, manipulative parent. On Lost, saying "trust me" was a red flag.

And yet, we had to trust Cuselof: That's what a good fan does.

Then came the finale, which amounted to a moving, luminous, tear-inducing, near-total bait-and-switch.

Now, I realize many people enjoyed the finale. The episode was visually lyrical. It was audacious, in its way. It was almost radically crowd-pleasing, designed to be viewed with the fan brain, not the critic brain. With its witty structure, it allowed the creators to download fusillades of old clips: montages that in the literal sense stood in for each character's memories, but which also worked as sentimental flashbacks for fans, reminding us of how much fun it had been to watch Lost itself. Meanwhile, on the island, we endured a series of thrilling but nonsensical unpluggings and then pluggings of a Freudian sinkhole. When the plot and the island stopped shaking, Hurley, the Good Fan, was handed the keys to the donkey wheel, as if he were being trusted to protect the legacy of the show itself.

I don't have a heart of stone: The acting in the otherwise terrible finale was so good that in several cases (the reunion of Sawyer and Juliet) it made the endless romantic pairings desperately poignant instead of numbing. (Although not with Charlotte and Daniel: Lose the skinny tie, dude.)

But when those warm feelings wore off, it was hard to ignore the unsettling message we'd received, which was that nothing in the series had actually mattered. That mysterious island? The one we'd obsessed over for six years? We should remember it, as through a happy mist, as the place where our characters learned to love one another.

As for the Sideways Universe—featuring tweaked variations on each character's story—that was also not important, at least not in any detail. It was a mystical way station, like weak fan fiction with a therapeutic kick. Most of the Sideways stories boiled the survivors' stories down to morals like "Love your family" and "Believe you are a good person," and if we wanted to enjoy the show, we needed to accept these truisms as closure for story arcs rather than Oprah-tinged parodies of them.

Finally, in the last fifteen minutes, the writers—in an emotionally powerful and also mawkishly manipulative turn—gathered our characters in an interfaith church, the antechamber to heaven. There Jack's father, now a loving guide (rather than an abusive drunk), told him, and us, to let go. No wonder it was touching: It was grief therapy directed at us as fans.

The sad thing, really, is that this wave of nostalgia, however powerful it was in the moment, sunk the show it was meant to mourn. Once upon a time, Lost faced outward, toward the world. In its early seasons, it wasn't just dumb, feel-good fun; for all the fantasy trappings, it had resonant, adult themes, ones set in the context of a global community traumatized after a plane crash. Post-9/11, the show spoke, for a while, more thoughtfully (or at least less angrily) than 24 to the moral questions that unsettled many Americans: Why does everyone consider themselves the "good guys"? Is it ever okay to torture? How do we choose, and should we trust, our leaders?

But by the end of its run, Lost, for all its dorm-room chatter about good and evil, had become something different: It was a hit series about the difficulties of finding an ending to a hit series. Cuselof had a deadline for years, which should have allowed them to pace out their puzzle's solutions. Instead, we got cheesy temple vamping and a bereavement Holodeck. It became a show about placating, even sedating, fans, convincing them that, in the absence of anything coherent or challenging, love was enough.

The day after the finale, Lindelof tweeted again, in the soothing cadences of a preacher: "Remember. Let go. Move on." Hey, Lindelof: Done.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on May 30, 2010, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: ©brad on May 30, 2010, 03:22:05 PM
A Disappointed Fan Is Still a Fan
How the creators of Lost seduced and betrayed their viewers.
Emily Nussbaum
Source: NYMag


the show shifted from a diverse cast to the repeated tableaux of white guys bickering about fate while the female characters were either shot or (worse) congealed into bland love interests.

Ugh... please. So to her Kate is just a housewife. Jin and Sun are white, too.

The rest of the article is good though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on May 31, 2010, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: socketlevel on May 25, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
i don't know why people keep saying that the island was purgatory... the island happened, it's just that in purgatory there is no timeline. this is stated by christian Sheppard directly. also Kate says to jack that she's really missed him, because she escaped the island and lived the rest of her life. so for her the events in purgatory are after the full life she lived. This isn't a subjective device, it was quite clearly laid out.

wow, just saw it again and can't believe how right you are, I never thought the island was purgatory but had my doubts of what it was after the bomb, but as you well say it is laid out so clear that there can't be any room for another interpretation but that the events on the island were very real, my only theory about how everyone lives except juliette after the bomb is that the magnetic fields on the island absorbed the blast and in the meantime it sent everyone to present time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on May 31, 2010, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: Fernando on May 31, 2010, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: socketlevel on May 25, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
i don't know why people keep saying that the island was purgatory... the island happened, it's just that in purgatory there is no timeline. this is stated by christian Sheppard directly. also Kate says to jack that she's really missed him, because she escaped the island and lived the rest of her life. so for her the events in purgatory are after the full life she lived. This isn't a subjective device, it was quite clearly laid out.

wow, just saw it again and can't believe how right you are, I never thought the island was purgatory but had my doubts of what it was after the bomb, but as you well say it is laid out so clear that there can't be any room for another interpretation but that the events on the island were very real, my only theory about how everyone lives except Juliette after the bomb is that the magnetic fields on the island absorbed the blast and in the meantime it sent everyone to present time.

good to see you agree, and good theory on Juliette actually, I'd vote for that being the answer to the (non-)explosion.

Another thing to ponder is that Daniel Faraday essentially stood for nothing. the importance of his mission (from his character to his plot importance) is utterly trivialized with the reveal of purgatory.  simply put, he was wrong about everything and convinced pivotal characters to do things that indirectly killed many people.  i kinda like this, in the end he's a nice guy who holds intellectual esteem with incorrect, pseudo-scientific backed up, concepts. Something insightful can be learned from that parable. that a morally good and assertive motivator can still be destructive and incorrect.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on May 31, 2010, 03:51:47 PM
that box set is kinda cool, but i kinda just want a blu ray set with the smallest box possible. i'm kinda past bells and whistles these days, and dvds/blu rays are bulky. w/e can protect the product and take the least amount of space the better. i do care about bonus material though, i still want all of that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Derek on June 08, 2010, 09:51:47 PM
Spoiler Alert (?): if you don't want to know any details about the LOST Epilogue, stop reading this now!

Via Kristin Dos Santos:

"It will address some of the issues, like the food drops, and it will deal with what happened on the island after Hurley took over and how he handled things," Garcia reveals of the DVD bonus feature he shot. "It will give you a taste of what took place after Hurley took over as the new number one. There's a little epilogue thing going on with the DVD."

Inside sources also told me that Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) will be shown in the bonus material. "We'll find out what happens to Walt," says the insider. But when asked who else he worked with, Jorge replied coyly: "There are other people in it, but I'm not going to tell you who."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on June 09, 2010, 10:14:07 AM
Fuck this. We all have to go buy an overpriced DVD to find out important stuff that should have been in the finale, like what happened to Walt?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on June 09, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: ©brad on June 09, 2010, 10:14:07 AM
Fuck this. We all have to go buy an overpriced DVD search for a torrent to find out important stuff that should have been in the finale, like what happened to Walt?

Fixed.  :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on June 09, 2010, 10:49:29 AM
Yeah, the DVD is just an excuse to get more money from the Network to make this little chunk of information that is just intended to slightly clam up people who give a shit about stupid stuff like "Where's Walt?" and "What about the food?"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on June 09, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
i don't know if i like this. if the producers want to sit there and say "the food came from ______" on the dvd, whatever. but i don't know if i need actually footage of like hurley ruling the island. that would be...i don't know...tacky?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on June 10, 2010, 02:16:53 AM
I miss this shit. I would watch anything they fucking give me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on June 16, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
http://geographyoflost.tumblr.com/post/700808028/high-res-of-the-island-map (http://geographyoflost.tumblr.com/post/700808028/high-res-of-the-island-map)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on July 03, 2010, 04:57:54 PM
This Week in Unnecessary Censorship: LOST Edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3w1yV4Ehg)

I lost my shit at the Jack/Ben exchange.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: blackmirror on July 14, 2010, 06:53:00 PM
I am certain the DVD will not tap into LOST's theological details and metaphysical revelations.  However, I hope one day to find a credentialed discussion that examines these influences.  Going back to Season 1, I have often wondered if the Liberation Through Hearing During the Intermediate State predominantly inspired LOST.  It is Tibetan in nature, and as we are aware, the program drew from multiple sources of faith.  If you are familiar with it, you know it presents three states upon entering the afterlife: moment of death, reality of death, and our rebirth.  This is not to discount the Judeo-Christian themes that have also graced LOST from the show's beginning.  I only invoke this funerary text as we now know how the program concludes.  The idea of death to the Tibetan Buddhist is much different than the typical Judeo-Christian thinking on the subject.  To the Tibetan Buddhist, leaving the physical body (your last outer breath) does not signify the end of your life.  You still possess an inner breath.  This inner breath means that you have a mind and awareness that will carry you through several realms of existence before you ultimately reach enlightenment.  If you cannot see the clear light which eventually reaches enlightenment, you will suffer the fate of rebirth where you risk being reincarnated into any variety of species (think Michael being stuck on the island as a whisperer.)  So for the Tibetan Buddhists, your life is not technically over until you reach enlightenment and this can be long after you have left the physical realm.  It is only when you reach enlightenment that you are no longer in danger of rebirth.  (I believe the final scenes of the series evoke and illustrate this theme as the castaways from Oceanic Flight 815 have reached the stage upon entering the light.)  Although not non sequitir, 815 can be translated into the date August [8] 15 and interpreted as the Feast Day of the Assumption of the Immaculate Virgin into Heaven.  Nonetheless, I digress, as that depicts Christianity.  To sum it up, all of the stuff between your physical death and enlightenment is still a very real part of your life cycle, according to the Tibetan Buddhist ideal.  Personally, it is food for thought that I will continue to indulge in this mere fledgling period that prefaces our near-fathomless post-LOST experience.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7162/theendqd.jpg

admin-edit: margin-fucking image has been linked to.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on August 06, 2010, 03:37:30 PM
Lost Epilogue! (http://jezebel.com/5606489/)

(not a joke)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on August 06, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
^ they cut that one down and removed it entirely elsewhere.. if anyone's about at the moment, watch it here quick 'fore it's gone

http://videogum.com/ (http://videogum.com/)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on September 19, 2010, 03:38:47 AM
Lost fans complete TV marathon

A hardcore group of fans of the TV series Lost have spent four days in a London cinema watching all 121 episodes back-to-back.

Around 100 fans began the marathon session on Monday at the Prince Charles Cinema in Leicester Square - complete with sleeping bags and pillows.

But only 21 were left when the final episode screened in the early hours of Friday morning.

Short breaks were taken every four hours, and paramedics were on-site.

'High spirits'

One of those who went the distance was Donna Lalek, 28, from Chester.

Speaking to the BBC a few hours before the end, she said: "I feel absolutely fine - still enjoying it. There's good camaraderie.

"Most people are still into it - some are starting to get a bit tired. But everyone's still in high spirits."

The bank administrator took a week's holiday take part in the event.

"Before Lost I was perfectly normal, so I've never done anything quite like this before - most people think I'm absolutely insane."

She said she had managed to grab some sleep while the episodes were screened.

"It's really confusing. I have no concept of time any more - I don't know if it's night or day."

The screening marathon was held to mark the DVD release of Lost: The Final Season this week.

The TV series came to an end in May. For 121 episodes over six series, viewers followed the trials of a group of plane crash survivors stranded on a tropical island.

The first instalment was broadcast in the UK in August 2005 and was reportedly the most expensive pilot episode ever made.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11325597
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 10, 2010, 07:08:23 PM
So... I am actually a huge Lost fan, but I haven't gotten around to talking about it here yet. I would love to have a discussion if anyone has any responses to what follows...

I started watching Lost in January, got rather obsessed, and finished five months later in June. Here are some reactions I posted at another forum:

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6/9/10

Just got to the finale tonight. I absolutely loved it. Perfect in every possible way.

I would like all the people who are complaining about continuity errors and unanswered questions to take a step back and think about what this show actually is. The puzzle is certainly important, but it's really about the characters.

And that's why I loved the finale so much. I felt the characters ended up exactly where they belonged. Especially Jack, Hurley, and Ben... their developments were all enormously satisfying. I think it was clear from the lighthouse episode that Jack and Hurley would be key in saving the island, but I'm just really happy with how it played out. It all seems so right for the story and true to the characters. That's the best thing about it.

It seemed that Jack was doing exactly what he wasn't supposed to do (bringing the Man In Black to The Light instead of protecting it) but of course that's exactly what he had to do, because that led to a number of crucial developments: the otherwise impossible defeat of the Man In Black, finding Frank (the pilot) and having an urgent reason to get off the island, Ben getting all humbled and awe-inspired (and redeemed) by the whole affair, and Hurley becoming the protector.

I thought it was especially interesting and poignant that Ben decided to stay in purgatory because he still had "a few things to work out." And to extrapolate, the whole existence of the purgatory makes complete sense. If you look at what happened in that world, it was all a series of corrections (do-overs, as Jack said a number of times), from Jack reversing the cycle of "daddy issues" with his son (I remember an episode called "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues"), to Locke fixing things with his girlfriend, to Ben making things right with Alex and Danielle (even abandoning his power play for principal). Everyone was "working things out." In fact, I should re-watch season 6 sometime to pick up on this. Since none of us knew it was a purgatory, I'm sure there's plenty we didn't see.

I started watching Lost about 5 months ago. I was actually drawn to it because people were complaining about how confusing it was. The series never really delivered on that promise. I was honestly waiting to be confused, and I'm still not sure what people were talking about. Does confusing mean "not yet explained?" Are television audiences really that uncomfortable with this concept? Anyway, the show did deliver some things I wasn't expecting, which turned out to be even more rewarding. I'm just now realizing that I mostly liked The X-Files for its mythology episodes. With Lost, the whole thing is a mythology. An epic, slow build that can be excruciating and endlessly rewarding. In retrospect, it's exactly what I wanted in a TV show. Would it be too grandiose to say that Lost has accomplished the potential of the medium?



6/10/10

I want to be clear. When I say "characters," I'm talking about the whole package. Since every character has a relationship with the island (and the island is, as they say, a character itself), the island, and how the characters develop with the island, because of the island, is the point of the whole thing.

Do I have a few remaining questions? Sure. Do I want these questions explicitly answered? Not at all. The finale resolved the story without explaining away the mystery that made the show great.

Furthermore, the extent to which people in general are complaining about unanswered questions is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Seriously, watch Inland Empire, then tell me Lost has unanswered questions. I feel like the writers walked right up to the line. They explained almost everything, including what the island is (remember the bottle?), even what The Light / The Source is ("life, death, and rebirth," its importance to the world, maintaining the balance between good and evil, etc). Would you really want them to get more explicit than that?

It's simply a balance between keeping the sense of mystery and getting enough answers. I think it was balanced quite well.

Answering all our questions is so far from being the purpose of the show. I feel like some people were misled (perhaps by the show itself, in a way) into thinking that the show would finally answer the big questions (which it did, let's not forget), and that that would be enough... that those answers would be profound enough to conclude the show all by themselves. Obviously, the revelations are not enough. If you spent the show waiting for answers and forgot to watch the characters develop with the island, you basically missed the whole show. This is precisely why the end of Jack's story was so satisfying. It was the perfect way to consummate his relationship with the island. And seriously, his character arc alone constitutes its own epic story. He went from the short-tempered man of science to the brooding/tortured introvert to the man of faith who believes in destiny and saves the island. Was that good or what? Did we need any more information for that to be meaningful and satisfying? Absolutely not. Same for Hurley, Ben, and all the rest. The extent to which these characters were completed, and the elegant way in which it was done, is absolutely breathtaking to me.



6/11/10

A few other random thoughts, while I remember them...

I think the nuclear device was "the incident" after all. Since the purgatory revelation, there's no better explanation. The device certainly didn't create purgatory (Christian says the purgatory is a place the Oceanic survivors collectively created to reunite), and obviously there's no longer any evidence that it changed the course of events. I don't think it sunk the island, either. We do see the island sunk at the beginning of season 6, but I think that just goes with everything else. The island, as one of the characters, is also appearing in purgatory in its dead form. Since Christian tells us "there is no when here," the island appearing sunk in purgatory doesn't tell us when it died/sank. (It could have been far in the future.) Or, this being a fake created world, it could have been a simply frivolity of their creation.

There was some question about how Christian could appear off the island, if Christian is the smoke monster. I think the answer is that an appearance of Christian is not always the smoke monster. MiB can take the forms of people who have died on the island (or whose dead bodies have ended up there, in Christian's and Locke's cases), but that doesn't mean dead people are always him. Images of people and things dead, alive, and otherwise have always been appearing on the island. Not only Christian, but Kate's horse, Hurley's imaginary friend who appeared to become real on the island, Walt (alive elsewhere, but still appearing), etc. There are no strict rules for these appearances.



7/17/10

Some more random thoughts about Lost...

I watched the finale again last night (second time), and I was surprised by the power it still had. In fact, I think I cried like a baby even more on this second viewing. It was crazy. Keep in mind, I only spent about 5 months with the show from start to finish. I can just imagine how powerful it might have been for people who had spent 6 years with these characters.

In fact, I keep wondering what the differences are between the 5 month and 6 year experiences. My big disadvantage was that I didn't have much time to get attached to the show, to keep each episode in the back of my mind for a week, and to let it sink in gradually, and to get attached to all the characters. I don't think that was a significant disadvantage, though, because I still got attached to the characters, and everything seemed to sink in just fine. I think I agree that Lost is well-suited for compression.

I'm guessing about some of this, but I think these were my advantages:

I'm also thinking about favorite characters. Around Season 2, it was Locke, no question. Obviously, things changed, so here's my current list:

1. Jack. The obvious choice, as MiB might say, but he holds up. I described before how perfectly planned and executed his whole character arc is. Phase 1: Reluctant leader and chronic skeptic ("man of science") with a short temper, hero complex, and daddy issues manifested as intense episodes of self-doubt. This character is so good to begin with that he doesn't even need an arc. Phase 2: Complete wreck off-island, full of regret, tortured about how wrong he was, guilty about Locke's death, realizes his gung-ho rescue antics had not saved his friends, that in fact he had violated and reversed destiny. Phase 3: Wanting to turn things around, but not sure how (he knows he can't simply "fix" things), Jack lies low with some seriously extensive brooding and introspection in Dharmaville. Phase 4: After five seasons of psychological torment, he has worked out his issues and believes in destiny. Guided by Jacob's gentle prodding and Locke's ideals, Jack realizes his entire metaphysical potential, saving the island in a pure act of self-sacrifice and faith. His story then concludes with the happiest, most fulfilling death one could possibly imagine.

2. Ben. I can't gush about Ben's character as much as Jack's, except to say that his transformation was just as dramatic and just as carefully considered. The best stretches for Ben's character, I think, were the times when we didn't know whether he was good or evil, whether he was lying or telling the truth, whether to root for him or Widmore, whether he was helping our Lost friends or was about to stab them in the back. The mystery and tension of his character pretty much extended to the end of the series, with a surprisingly plausible redemption. Strong candidate for best character IMO.

3. Locke. Truly a great character, and as I said, my early favorite. Reasons are obvious. The whole handicap bit ("Don't tell me what I can't do!") was always interesting, but the tension between his knowledge and his ignorance about the island (and how that affected his sense of self-worth) was probably the best part. As a Lost viewer, I think it was easiest to identify with Locke (not Hurley, as many suggest) because of that dynamic, and because of his unstoppable curiosity. The only problem with Locke is that he peaked early, and obviously his character was significantly blemished and obfuscated with MiB taking over his body.

By the way, I think Matthew Fox's acting is under-appreciated and probably had something to do with the success of his character. I also think it got much better toward the end of the series. Seriously, some of his moments in the finale in particular are so supernaturally perfect that I think my jaw dropped when I saw them. Thinking especially of the whole sequence after he brings back the light. Also the scene where he confronts MiB in the field (the "I'm going to kill you"/"It's a surprise" moment). Truly stunning stuff there.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 11, 2010, 04:56:10 PM
The biggest thing you missed was the communal aspect of the week to week theorizing and dissecting of each episode.  Particularly in the middle seasons it was just great to get your mind blown each week and try to figure out with friends/co-workers/online peeps where the show might be headed.  I'll accept the disappointments that come from extended viewings not meeting your expectations just for that.  It was the best part of the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 11, 2010, 06:48:52 PM
That's totally true. I never experienced that, and I guess I'll never know what I missed. I also did very little active theorizing myself and definitely didn't seek out theories. I just wanted to let the show happen to me, as it were, and the urgency of "the next episode" outweighed any desire I might have had to go outside of the show. I took the intensity of the mysteries as just a part of the show's enjoyment, and I sort of reveled in the suspense. Maybe not the way it was meant to be seen, but that's how it played out.

A friend started the series (while I was nearing the end) and is on Season 5 now, so we've had plenty of substantive conversations (which usually involved me cleverly tip-toeing around spoilers). I also managed to get my dad hooked recently, and we've been exchanging emails. His first one was: "I started watching the rest of Lost. Big mistake. Now I can't stop." So I guess I have a post-show communal thing going on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 30, 2012, 09:33:48 PM
Damon Lindelof played the numbers:

(https://p.twimg.com/ApQdnohCAAElvZb.jpg)

https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/185806051357097984/photo/1
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 30, 2012, 10:34:02 PM
A couple hours ago I went down to the convenience store across the street to buy something to drink and had to wait in line behind ten people buying Mega Millions lottery tickets.  All of them were buying multiple tickets, all of their tickets had to be specific numbers, and every one of the people looked like they'd be a whole lot better off just keeping the twenty to fifty bucks they were flushing away.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 03, 2012, 10:03:04 AM
'Lost' will return one day, claims co-creator

But Damon Lindelof says he will not be involved

Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof has predicted that the show will one day return.

The writer and producer, who is currently working on the current generation of Star Trek movies, said that the cult hit show would likely be revived at the Entertainment and Technology Summit hosted by Variety.

He said: "It's been two years [since the show ended] and we told the story we wanted to tell. I do feel like the world has not seen the end of Lost but I'm not going to have any involvement."

Lindelof added that any new production team who wanted to work on a Lost revival or continuation would have his blessing. "It would be hypocritical of me to say I'm going to [reboot] Star Trek but I don't want anyone to touch Lost."

Lost concerned the mysterious fate of the survivors of a crashed plane on a mysterious island, and was notorious for its dense and intricate plots. It finally concluded in May 2010. Lindelof also served as the show's chief writer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on May 03, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Meh... it wouldn't be the same.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on May 14, 2012, 09:34:09 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on May 03, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Meh... it wouldn't be the same.

truth. I just want to know where that statue came from instead of just having a couple hints.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
Haven't seen Prometheus, but having gone through the frustration of Lost, I think it's clear that Lindelof is a hack. Are movies generally better when they clearly leave you with a definite "idea" in your mind? Of course not, but that doesn't mean that you can leave things unanswered or unexplained just for the sake of doing so. By embracing plot holes and even forgetting about entire plotlines (I'm talking about Lost here) Lindelof believes he is leaving things open ended for the audience to impose their own beliefs, imagination, or whatever. In reality, he's just being lazy.

I think a good example of how to correctly leave things open/unexplained is the sadly poorly received second X-Files movie. The question is raised throughout the film of the possibility of a divine power, but it never forces a certain perspective on the audience, trusting them enough to come to their own conclusion whatever that might be. Lindelof is not doing anything approaching this. On the flip side, given the X-Files example, I think it's fair to once again criticize the final scenes from The Tree of Life. That film would have been so much more powerful if it hadn't rammed the idea that Heaven is definite down our throats right at the very end.

A good point, poorly made?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 12:33:34 PM
Attacking Lost and defending the second X-Files movie? Really?

I won't defend Prometheus, but Lost definitely pulled it off.

I think Lost achieved tasteful ambiguity as well as anything possibly could. And half the time people complain about Lost's unanswered questions, those questions were actually answered. They either don't remember or didn't feel like putting any effort into interpretation. I'm so tired of that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 14, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
I really hate the way that history is being rewritten that LOST is somehow a bad show or wasn't a worthwhile experience. Even if the last 2 seasons werent great (they werent) that doesn't/shouldn't/can't detract from how excellent the first few were. Does no one remember those?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on November 14, 2012, 01:14:12 PM
I really liked lost, just saying there were a couple red herrings that weren't needed. I recently watched it again on netflix and i was totally into it and you're right a lot was answered, but not everything. The stuff that wasn't appeared to be a neat trick, that wasn't followed up; probably the by-product of not having season by season planned out as much as it could have been. The last episode really did stick out as being poor though. I loved the stuff with Jack, but everything else was forced.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 14, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
Further thoughts: people generally look back on Twin Peaks as an excellent landmark series despite the fact that only about 1/4 of it is great. But (most) people (I read/hear) seem to look back on LOST with scorn like the entire thing was a waste of time. Why?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 01:43:42 PM
Totally agree.

In general, the questions that Lost left unanswered are the ones I want to remain unanswered. In fact, in some cases I think they went a little too far dispelling some mysteries... Richard Alpert is the big one, and Jacob's backstory to some extent.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 12:33:34 PM
Attacking Lost and defending the second X-Files movie? Really?

Absolutely. It may not be the XF movie most people wanted or expected, but it does what the show always excelled at - telling a great story through the use of the Mulder and Scully characters.

Quote from: modage on November 14, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
I really hate the way that history is being rewritten that LOST is somehow a bad show or wasn't a worthwhile experience. Even if the last 2 seasons weren't great (they werent) that doesn't/shouldn't/can't detract from how excellent the first few were. Does no one remember those?

Good point. The show was awesome. The last season (at least) was terrible. But the bigger problem for me was that they would bring up a whole host of new ideas and plot threads while conveniently ignoring several big ideas which had previously been treated as significant. I guess Lost is something which we can debate to death ad finem.

Quote from: modage on November 14, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
Further thoughts: people generally look back on Twin Peaks as an excellent landmark series despite the fact that only about 1/4 of it is great. But (most) people (I read/hear) seem to look back on LOST with scorn like the entire thing was a waste of time. Why?

My guess at that is despite the fact Twin Peaks likewise got shit at the end, it did answer the show's central questions: who killed Laura Palmer. Lost never accomplished that, maybe because it was never sure what its central question was in the first place. Also, 90% of people completely misunderstood the final episode and thought it meant all the characters had been dead the whole time.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 01:43:42 PM
In general, the questions that Lost left unanswered are the ones I want to remain unanswered. In fact, in some cases I think they went a little too far dispelling some mysteries... Richard Alpert is the big one, and Jacob's backstory to some extent.

Can't disagree with this. The episode with Jacob and the other one as kids was one of the worst episodes the show churned out. Yes, worse than that one with the two newbies in season three.

Didn't mean to derail this thread. Sorry! FYI, despite Lost's descent into awfulness, I do look forward to going back and re-watching the first 5 season on DVD again years from now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: socketlevel on November 14, 2012, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: modage on November 14, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
Further thoughts: people generally look back on Twin Peaks as an excellent landmark series despite the fact that only about 1/4 of it is great. But (most) people (I read/hear) seem to look back on LOST with scorn like the entire thing was a waste of time. Why?

time and place my man, time and place. don't knock a pioneer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on November 14, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: modage on November 14, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
Further thoughts: people generally look back on Twin Peaks as an excellent landmark series despite the fact that only about 1/4 of it is great. But (most) people (I read/hear) seem to look back on LOST with scorn like the entire thing was a waste of time. Why?

While I disliked the last two seasons, I don't think the whole endeavor was a waste of time at all. Even on its worst day Lost was always a captivating show, and you had to admire its ambition if nothing else. I don't disagree with you, but I'll try and answer this just based on what I hear from friends who were once fans.

Regardless of what you think about the finale, the show was building to it from episode 1. So if you thought the ending was underwhelming, as many did, it renders the whole journey to it somewhat of a tease, a long run for a short slide. I remember Mod you had a good write-up in the middle of the show's run about how posing questions was more fun than getting answers, which makes sense to me. I had friends who always used to joke that the show was a ponzi scheme of questions. You had to wonder, after answering questions with more questions, and exploring tangential mysteries that had little barring on the main story, did a truly satisfying ending that would blow everyone's mind even exist? I almost fall on the side of thinking that come the last season, they tried to answer too much, and in the end the show fell victim to its own fanboy-perpetuated hype. As viewers we think we crave answers, but what we really crave is the mystery and theorizing and furious online debating. The writers set the bar so high with the sheer badassery of the first couple of seasons, the lofty expectations of fans were always going to be higher than whatever answer was spoon-fed to them come series finale time.



Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Drenk on November 14, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
The issue with Lost was the all "We know everything about the end" I'm sorry, but you can't know everything. Seasons 3 and 4 were great and, then, they began to be too focused about their ending and they forgot to write things before that. So the: "But it's a show about characters, not questions !" is funny. Can you remember interesting things happening between the characters in the last season ? They didn't even try...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMAbsolutely. It may not be the XF movie most people wanted or expected, but it does what the show always excelled at - telling a great story through the use of the Mulder and Scully characters.

I guess it's personal taste, but I disagree. It was a slightly subpar X-Files episode stretched to feature length.

Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMThe show was awesome. The last season (at least) was terrible.

Season 6 is actually my favorite season, if that tells you anything.

Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMBut the bigger problem for me was that they would bring up a whole host of new ideas and plot threads while conveniently ignoring several big ideas which had previously been treated as significant.

Any examples?

Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMMy guess at that is despite the fact Twin Peaks likewise got shit at the end, it did answer the show's central questions: who killed Laura Palmer.

I'd argue that at least the second half of Twin Peaks is bad, not just the end. Excepting the Lynch-directed episodes of course.

Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMLost never accomplished that, maybe because it was never sure what its central question was in the first place.

If you were to pick one central question from Lost, it's probably "What is the island?" The show answered that thoroughly.

Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMAlso, 90% of people completely misunderstood the final episode and thought it meant all the characters had been dead the whole time.

Where are you getting this from? Who on earth would come away with that interpretation after the finale? Let's move that decimal point to the left a bit and say 1%.

The "everyone is dead" / "the island is hell" etc. theories were in circulation long before the final seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on November 15, 2012, 02:01:39 PM
My problem with Lost's final season was how it completely nullified the 5th season. I actually quite enjoyed Season 5 (especially the chaotic first half) and Season 6 basically said "all that didn't matter, it's MAGIC!" If they had set up Season 6 better I would've liked it more, if they had continued Season 5's storyline I would've enjoyed that too, but they did neither.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on November 15, 2012, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMBut the bigger problem for me was that they would bring up a whole host of new ideas and plot threads while conveniently ignoring several big ideas which had previously been treated as significant.

Any examples?

Not right now, actually. I didn't realize I was going to stir up a whole Lost debate, so I'm really not prepared for a dissection. I will concede that as several people have pointed out here, it might also have a lot to do with personal taste and hopes for where the show ultimately went. I was never a fan of the whole Jacob business and would have preferred it to have delved deeper into the Dharma Initiative and the island itself. The final season bored me, which is maybe why I don't have the precise example you're asking for. You can strike that up as a point for you.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMMy guess at that is despite the fact Twin Peaks likewise got shit at the end, it did answer the show's central questions: who killed Laura Palmer.

I'd argue that at least the second half of Twin Peaks is bad, not just the end. Excepting the Lynch-directed episodes of course.

I would certainly agree with you there. I guess I should have been more specific here too - the second half of S2 is really bad.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on November 14, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Sleepless on November 14, 2012, 02:02:40 PMAlso, 90% of people completely misunderstood the final episode and thought it meant all the characters had been dead the whole time.

Where are you getting this from? Who on earth would come away with that interpretation after the finale? Let's move that decimal point to the left a bit and say 1%.

The "everyone is dead" / "the island is hell" etc. theories were in circulation long before the final seasons.

The island is hell/purgatory theories were popular from the first season. When the writers said that wasn't the case, they died down, but it seems a lot of people misunderstood that final episode to mean the writers had actually lied to us and that the characters had actually been dead that whole time. Clearly that's not the case, but there definitely seemed to be a lot of people who arrived at that conclusion after watching the final episode. Yes, my 90% was a speculative exaggeration, but regardless of individual viewers' readings of the episode, it has nothing to do with the rest of the discussion. I was merely attempting to answer Modage's wondering as to why so many people look back with some sort of resentment for Lost. I believe that their (mis)understanding to the finale might have something to do with it. I'm happy to hear your theories on why so many people don't look back on Lost with the same fondness they have for - using the same show Modage used for comparison - Twin Peaks.

Quote from: Drenka on November 14, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
So the: "But it's a show about characters, not questions !" is funny. Can you remember interesting things happening between the characters in the last season ? They didn't even try...

You hit the nail right on the head with that. Possibly a reason why I disliked that final season so much. Alright, so that characters were never really written all that wonderfully, but what there was we loved. The final season almost disregarded them in favor of focusing on Jacob, a John Locke who wasn't John Locke, and digging through a kit of additional "island secrets" which they hadn't got around to using so far.

Quote from: ©brad on November 14, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
You had to wonder, after answering questions with more questions, and exploring tangential mysteries that had little barring on the main story, did a truly satisfying ending that would blow everyone's mind even exist? I almost fall on the side of thinking that come the last season, they tried to answer too much, and in the end the show fell victim to its own fanboy-perpetuated hype. As viewers we think we crave answers, but what we really crave is the mystery and theorizing and furious online debating. The writers set the bar so high with the sheer badassery of the first couple of seasons, the lofty expectations of fans were always going to be higher than whatever answer was spoon-fed to them come series finale time.

Agree with all of that.

Quote from: ddiggler on November 15, 2012, 02:01:39 PM
My problem with Lost's final season was how it completely nullified the 5th season. I actually quite enjoyed Season 5 (especially the chaotic first half) and Season 6 basically said "all that didn't matter, it's MAGIC!" If they had set up Season 6 better I would've liked it more, if they had continued Season 5's storyline I would've enjoyed that too, but they did neither.

Maybe this reinforces Cbrad's comment about preferring questions instead of answers, maybe it's further evidence that the final season is a matter of personal taste, but I still think the final scene of the show should have been Jack detonating the bomb.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on November 21, 2012, 12:18:25 PM
continuing with the Lost derail

http://www.theonion.com/video/poor-bastard-who-just-started-watching-lost-in-for,30377/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 02, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Damon Lindelof on Why 'Breaking Bad's' Finale Let Him Say Goodbye to 'Lost' (Guest Column)
10/2/2013 by Damon Lindelof [THR (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/damon-lindelof-breaking-bad-finale-639484)]

A couple of weeks ago, I was asked if I was interested in writing a morning-after response to the Breaking Bad finale. I immediately said yes. I did this for two reasons. One of them I was aware of, the other I was not.

The one I was aware of is pretty rudimentary: I am a huge fan of Breaking Bad and have been a zealot of its Church of Awesomeness for years. It's spectacular TV -- spectacular storytelling -- and I am lucky to have borne witness to it. The opportunity to sing the show's praises one last time was not one I could possibly pass up.

And here's what I was not aware of but am now.

All story is reflective, designed to illuminate its own characters and the themes surrounding them. When a show is as brilliant as Breaking Bad, it's not just about the people we're watching, it's about those watching them. About us. In other words, the better the show, the deeper it forces you to look at yourself. On Sunday night, I took a good long look at myself, and this is what I found staring back ...

I agreed to write this piece because I am deeply and unhealthily obsessed with finding ways to revisit the Lost finale and the maddening hurricane of shit that has followed it.

And this morning? I am Walter White. Arrogant. Conceited. Selfish. Entitled. Looking for ways to blame everything and everyone but myself, even though it is perfectly clear the situation I find myself in is of my own making. And here's the worst part: I'm still naive enough to believe I can attain some level of redemption.

Earlier drafts of this piece were a love letter to Breaking Bad. The show was a masterpiece. I listed the reasons why. We all know what they are. The finale? Fantastic. Not a false beat. The scene between Walt and Skyler was as profound as it was satisfying -- and watching Walt run his hand through his sleeping daughter's hair, fully aware that he couldn't do the same to the woman he (once? still?) loved as she stood silently behind him quite literally broke my heart.

Jesse lived. Walt died. All happened as it should have. And that would have been the piece you would have read had I finished it. But ...

In the comments section of the piece I did not write, the following sentiment would have been echoed dozens of times over: "What the f--- do you know because you f---ed up Lost?!?" How do I know this? Well, for starters, my Twitter feed was pretty much a unanimous run of, "Did you see that, Lindelof? That's how you end a show."

Three years later, it appears that it is not just enough to love Breaking Bad's finale. You also have to hate ours. Yeah, I know. Waaaaaah for me. I should go cry into my barrels full of money. But I swear to you, I'm not looking for empathy. I'm just looking for a way to stop. And I can't.

Alcoholics are smart enough to not walk into a bar. My bar is Twitter. It's Comic-Con. It's anytime someone asks me to write an article even casually relating to Lost.

And what do I do? I jump at the opportunity to acknowledge how many people were dissatisfied with how it ended. I try to be self-deprecating and witty when I do this, but that's an elaborate (or obvious?) defense mechanism to let people know I'm fully aware of the elephant in the room and I'm perfectly fine with it sitting down on my face and shitting all over me.

And this is how pathetic I've become -- I'm using an opportunity to put Breaking Bad into the pantheon of best shows ever (where it undeniably belongs) to narcissistically whine about the perceived shortcomings of my own work.

God, I hate myself. But isn't that what's expected of me? Don't I have to do that? Is it possible for me to ever comment on anything I love without cheekily winking at the audience and saying, "But what do I know -- after all, I ruined Lost?"

It does bear mentioning that not everyone feels this way. There are fans who actually love the way Lost ended. And I can feel the abuse they've taken for having what has become a wildly unpopular opinion, which only makes me love them more. Unfortunately, these kind souls are vastly overwhelmed by, well, less kind souls. So now what?

I'm sick of myself for continuing to beat this particular drum, so I can't imagine how sick of it you are. If it's unpleasant and exhausting for me to keep defending the Lost finale, aren't you getting tired of hating it? And so ... I, like Walter White, want out. To be free. And to grant you the same.

I'd like to make a pact, you and me. And here's your part: You acknowledge that I know how you feel about the ending of Lost. I got it. I heard you. I will think about your dissatisfaction always and forever. It will stay with me until I lie there on my back dying, camera pulling slowly upward whether it be a solitary dog or an entire SWAT team that comes to my side as I breathe my last breath.

And here's my part: I will finally stop talking about it. I'm not doing this because I feel entitled or above it -- I'm doing it because I accept that I will not change hearts nor minds. I will not convince you they weren't dead the whole time, nor resent you for believing they were despite my infinite declarations otherwise.

Let this be our pact. And I'll just have to trust you on this -- I don't have Badger and Skinny Pete pointing lasers at your chests to keep you honest. And the truth is, there's no way everyone is going to read, let alone agree with this deal.

But I'm going to keep my part. I'm done. I'm out. Just one last thing before I go ...

I stand by the Lost finale. It's the story that we wanted to tell, and we told it. No excuses. No apologies. I look back on it as fondly as I look back on the process of writing the whole show. And while I'll always care what you think, I can't be a slave to it anymore. Here's why:

I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really ... I was alive.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ono on October 02, 2013, 12:37:06 PM
Breaking Bad spoilers:

And just like Walter White, in "death," humility, and finally some sort of redemption.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mel on October 02, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
Fucking great: Breaking Bad spoilers in Lost thread.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 02, 2013, 01:22:02 PM
I still don't understand what's wrong with the Lost finale. It's essentially perfect.

Maybe the reason Lindelof can't let go of this is that he knows he's right.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ono on October 02, 2013, 01:44:38 PM
Maybe you should not read an article that says "Breaking Bad Finale" if you're so worried about spoilers.  All my post was doing was commenting on said article.  The article was much more egregious.  :roll:

LOST was basically a couple jackasses egotripping about how "cool" this or that is for 4 years (seriously, read some of the season one scripts and marvel at how utterly full of themselves the writers were), bumping off characters for DUIs offscreen (thx, ABC), claiming the conceit that they actually had a plan all along, then trying to wrap it all up with the lamest hippy-dippy nonsense ever conceived when they realized they wrote so many checks their asses couldn't cash.  For two seasons, it was great television.  Even three and four had merits, and five and six had a couple nice moments.  But ultimately it was like grasping at air -- you were left with a handful of nothing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Drenk on October 02, 2013, 02:13:36 PM
It's not only the finale. It's the last season.

"Shut up. It's magic."  The mythology of the show was cool. And that was all. Look Claire: she disappears in season 4, we think she's doing something in this magical cabin. She was not. But she's back in season 6. What about the black smoke? Oh, he felt into some light, somewhere. It's magic too. Oh, and x is special, x too, we're all specials! And we travel through time! It's magic! Oh and ghosts are somewhere, whispering. Why? Oh, shut up, it's a magical island! Remember the light? It looked magic, right?

How do you explain a black smoke monster? Someone put him in some light. IT'S MAGIC!



And season 6 is about a different show. A fantasy. All the characters are leading different lives in purgatory. They don't remember their real lives. Except Desmond. But he's special. Desmond can travel through time and remembers his past life because he's special. No reason. He is, so shut up.

Except the flash-purgatory, they do nothing in the island. Seriously. They do nothing. They walk sometimes. Oh, a girl blew up in season 6. It was in a Hurley centric. She just blew up. Like that. Why? It's magic.



And they end up happy with big smiles at a church. The ending was for Lindelof. He wanted them to be happy, to remember the good time they had with the magical island which did stuff because of a light somewhere and the six seasons he wrote for them.

You can't seriously say : "It was about the characters! And the rest was just cool stuff which doesn't make any sense at all!" The story is a whole. You don't have to give answers. But the world you create can't be random magical stuff which happen. Or you should explain why random stuff happen. Or it has to make sense.

Anyway, I like Lindelof. He seems nice. And his article is sweet. But he's not a good writer. Because his stories are full of shit. They're like the women running in the shadow of the falling ship in Prometheus. It looks cool but it's stupid.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 02, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: modage on October 02, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Damon Lindelof on Why 'Breaking Bad's' Finale Let Him Say Goodbye to 'Lost' (Guest Column)
10/2/2013 by Damon Lindelof [THR (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/damon-lindelof-breaking-bad-finale-639484)]

...quite literally broke my heart.

RIP Damon Lindelof
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 02, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
This is a science fiction show, and you're complaining that things are "magical?" Interesting.

Perhaps the issue is that Lost at its heart was stealth science fiction. That's kind of what I love about it. But for many people that was obviously a problem.

What did you guys think the mythologies and the mysteries were leading towards, something firmly grounded in the rational world? Even after you saw the smoke monster in Season 2? Even after they started time traveling?

I found Lost's world-building to be internally consistent to a surprising degree, and I definitely never had a problem with the supernatural elements.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 02, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: Drenka on October 02, 2013, 02:13:36 PMOh, a girl blew up in season 6. It was in a Hurley centric. She just blew up. Like that. Why? It's magic.

She was carrying the decaying dynamite, which they thoroughly established (beginning at the end of Season 1) was insanely volatile and could explode at any moment (which happened before). They always treated it very delicately, but Ilana was handling it like a normal backpack and even threw some water bottles in there (all seen in the video you posted). It then explodes because she casually sets it on the ground.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 02, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
My issue with Lost wasn't it's decision to make it about character in the end, that was set up throughout the series and was a neat misdirect. My issue is with the show's extremely lazy, unintelligent, sentimental approach to the afterlife. For a show that did such a good job navigating around time travel, it sure shit the bed on an afterlife storyline that doesn't hold up to even a minor dissection. Even if I buy the church thing, the sideways world betrays Lost's mission statement that it was all about character by establishing that what happened on the island is the most important thing that happened in these character's lives (poor Aaron). By putting those people (and only those people) in that church, the show acknowledges that the plot it so unceremoniously threw to the wayside was the very reason all of these characters wound up in that church together. That is an incredibly sad, pessimistic ending.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 02, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on October 02, 2013, 05:11:41 PMMy issue is with the show's extremely lazy, unintelligent, sentimental approach to the afterlife.

None of what we saw was THE afterlife. It was purgatory, transitional, etc. And I actually can't think of a more interesting depiction of purgatory. (Maybe Beetlejuice? No, Inland Empire.)

Quote from: ddiggler on October 02, 2013, 05:11:41 PMEven if I buy the church thing, the sideways world betrays Lost's mission statement that it was all about character by establishing that what happened on the island is the most important thing that happened in these character's lives (poor Aaron). By putting those people (and only those people) in that church, the show acknowledges that the plot it so unceremoniously threw to the wayside was the very reason all of these characters wound up in that church together.

Really? I've never heard that interpretation. Unsurprisingly I have a completely different one.

Okay, so you have the soul, and then you have the incarnate person. The sideways world stripped away the incarnations to allow these people to meet each other on a different level, and in some cases to reconcile. Divine resolution... is that not a legitimate function of a purgatory? Makes complete sense to me. I understand if you feel that's too sentimental, but for me it was no problem at all.

Quote from: ddiggler on October 02, 2013, 05:11:41 PMThat is an incredibly sad, pessimistic ending.

Huh?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 02, 2013, 07:31:01 PM
Problem is not that it was magical, it's that it took itself too seriously to explain why it wasn't magical at first and then they threw logic out the window.

At first they explained the electromagnetism of the island, that made it special, and why Dharma was there, and why the plane crashed, etc. All that was great. Even going as far as the Constant with Desmond was pretty brilliant, out there, but brilliant and awesome.

Then the time travel, which was crazy already, and that donkey wheel, a little ridiciulous, but OK...

But then the origin of the smoke monster? And good vs. evil? And two brothers fighting over their mom? And it turns out all this shit was over some mommy issues? And then reviving Locke just to keep the actor in the show? I mean, too much stupid stuff too soon. It ruined all the stuff that made the early seasons great.

And stuff also contradicts each other. One episode, Ben "summons" the smoke monster somehow to kill soldiers. How did he do that if the smoke monster was just this rogue dude?

I mean, I could go on for hours and we already did this way back when. The difference between this and Dexter was that this was still entertaining and suspenseful somehow even with all the bullshit. Characters stay mostly true to themselves too. But the plot was just ridiculous towards the end.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 02, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: Kal on October 02, 2013, 07:31:01 PMProblem is not that it was magical, it's that it took itself too seriously to explain why it wasn't magical at first and then they threw logic out the window.

^ Textbook backlash against the stealth science fiction. I hate to say it but reactions like this make me love Lost even more.

To your point, some very weird stuff was going on in the pilot, including an unseen force making Jurassic Park noises and wreaking havoc on the island. Two episodes later, we learned that Locke had miraculously gained the ability to walk. But the brilliance of Season 1 was that it then began to lull people with the character development, only to crack things open again at the end of the season.

Quote from: Kal on October 02, 2013, 07:31:01 PMAnd stuff also contradicts each other. One episode, Ben "summons" the smoke monster somehow to kill soldiers. How did he do that if the smoke monster was just this rogue dude?

A totally legitimate question. It's answered in the show. Ben says this:

"It's where I was told I could summon the monster. That's before I realized that it was the one summoning me."

I don't believe for a second that Ben was able to summon him (nor does Ben, apparently). Smoke Monster / Man in Black is the show's trickster and manipulator, starting (I think) in early Season 1 when he appears as Jack's father to lead him to water.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on October 02, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
Come on ya'll, let's rewatch this show from the beginning again as well! There's only 200 episodes or something. :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Brando on October 02, 2013, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: Christian on October 02, 2013, 09:35:44 PM
Come on ya'll, let's rewatch this show from the beginning again as well! There's only 200 episodes or something. :yabbse-grin:

I've been wanting to rewatch it but there's 121 episodes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on October 02, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
It's funny that Lindelof is done talking about it/defending it, and fans aren't.  Or at least, that's what Linelof claims he'll do. Anyways, he's right, despite the ego that's noticeable in that write-up.  JB's giving knock-down answers and most likely, not one person will change their mind about it.  Answers are not what people are looking for, it's all right there in the show.

The show has problems, but I find it beautifully crafted and bold.  The problems, or mis-steps with regards to execution are probably due to network and demographic issues, but over all I find it to be a fantastic viewing experience on multiple levels.  It's all been discussed throughout the thread, like someone mentioned. Sure some things are out there, but I agree with JB, it's pretty damn weird within the first few episodes. John Locke smiling with the orange after the plane crash!!!! COME ON! awesome.

Anyhow, it only continues to get weirder and I love Lost for that reason as well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on October 02, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Reelist on September 29, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
everyone's scrambling to find be dissatisfied with a new show
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mel on October 03, 2013, 06:01:18 AM
The problem with Lost finale: till then show quality degraded significantly. There isn't much discussion about which season was the best: more or less you can rank seasons in chronological order. Lost just ended on low note - quite the opposite of Breaking Bad, which managed to sustain quality. I believe as a side effect of this, expectations of audience moved from general arc to finale: the very reason why so many where dissapointed with ending.

Problems with Lost started much earlier than in last season, as such I would call it "cascading failure": one issue created the next one. Lost had huge ensemble cast and was full of mystery, which we all loved at the begining. Then in season 3 whole Lost-universe exploded to the point of self parody: Paulo and Nikki anyone? Damage was done and balloon never really stopped to grow: new characters and mysteries where introduced without resolving in satisfying way the old ones. That is exactly the opposite of most cable shows including Breaking Bad, where seasons have much more encapsulated narrative.

Huge success from day zero, didn't help either: killing characters, because they weren't liked by audience and so on (pleasing mass audience). Breaking Bad managed to stay under the radar till season 5A I guess and that helped a lot.

Watching Lost again? I don't think so... even so I would probably watch it in reverse order and see how it works (saving the best for the last).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Drenk on October 03, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Giligan said that, with Breaking Bad, they were good keepers of their own history. Lost wasn't.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 03, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
Quote from: Mel on October 03, 2013, 06:01:18 AMThe problem with Lost finale: till then show quality degraded significantly. There isn't much discussion about which season was the best: more or less you can rank seasons in chronological order.

There's a lot of discussion about which season was the best... even in this very thread, I think. My list would probably go like this:

1. Season 6
2. Season 3
3. Season 4
4. Season 5
5. Season 2
6. Season 1

Seasons 1 and 2 are difficult to rank. Season 2 had some of my favorite content (when the hatch and the Others were at their most mysterious), but the season felt stretched out and there was definitely filler. Season 1 was slow and a bit top-heavy with character development, but I described before how brilliant I think it is.

Quote from: Mel on October 03, 2013, 06:01:18 AMBreaking Bad, which managed to sustain quality.

Breaking Bad is vastly more consistent than Lost; I don't think there's any argument there. It's just a consequence of one being on network television with a radically different schedule and a ton of episodes to deliver. Lost: 121 episodes over 6 years. Breaking Bad: 62 episodes over 5 years & 8 months. Despite some subpar episodes, I think Lost maintained its arc surprisingly well.

Quote from: Mel on October 03, 2013, 06:01:18 AMI would probably watch it in reverse order and see how it works (saving the best for the last).

Okay, now you're crazy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 03, 2013, 01:16:33 PM
I remember in the first few seasons the jungle looked way more provocative and scary, in the later seasons the lighting of it flattened out and it lost something. Rewatching the first season I noticed that the show just looked better then.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mel on October 03, 2013, 02:19:11 PM
QuoteBreaking Bad is vastly more consistent than Lost; I don't think there's any argument there. It's just a consequence of one being on network television with a radically different schedule and a ton of episodes to deliver. Lost: 121 episodes over 6 years. Breaking Bad: 62 episodes over 5 years & 8 months. Despite some subpar episodes, I think Lost maintained its arc surprisingly well.

Lost is far from typical network television. Just to show that, total running time for 6 seasons of:
- Mad Men: ~60 hours
- Lost: ~85 hours
- 24: ~120 hours

QuoteOkay, now you're crazy.

Don't temp me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Drenk on October 03, 2013, 03:53:07 PM
No surprise. But I hated season 6.

I would say, and I don't know which one I prefer between season 4 and season 3:

1) Season 4
2) Season 3
3) Season 1
4) Season 2
5) Season 5
6) Season 6
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Neil on October 03, 2013, 04:15:26 PM
Fun game. Haven't watched them in a year.  My old land lord stole the blu ray series from me during my last move. I know they're all over hulu/netflix. anyhow, from what i remember, it's

1)2
2)6
3)5
4)3
5)4
6)1
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 03, 2013, 04:48:39 PM
Quote from: Mel on October 03, 2013, 02:19:11 PM
QuoteBreaking Bad is vastly more consistent than Lost; I don't think there's any argument there. It's just a consequence of one being on network television with a radically different schedule and a ton of episodes to deliver. Lost: 121 episodes over 6 years. Breaking Bad: 62 episodes over 5 years & 8 months. Despite some subpar episodes, I think Lost maintained its arc surprisingly well.

Lost is far from typical network television. Just to show that, total running time for 6 seasons of:
- Mad Men: ~60 hours
- Lost: ~85 hours
- 24: ~120 hours

Alright so, you were comparing Lost to Breaking Bad, I responded by continuing that comparison, and now you're comparing Lost to 24? Okay. I certainly wasn't saying Lost is the most efficient network show ever... just saying it was less consistent than Breaking Bad because it had to deliver many more episodes in a given period of time. A brutally obvious point, but I felt like making it.

Not that it's relevant at all, but your example of 24 is bogus, since it aired over 9 years. At least that's what Wikipedia tells me. If someone would like to compare the working hours expended on each show, I'm sure that information is available from the relevant unions, but I will leave that research project to someone else. This Lost vs. 24 battle will be solved once and for all.

You responded to an argument I didn't make, and even that was wrong. Debating you is not fun.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Drenk on October 03, 2013, 05:04:35 PM
Battlestar Galactic was more consistent than Lost, though. They didn't know what they were doing while they were doing it, but they invented a logic, a coherence, to the world they were creating. The show doesn't give answers at the end. But it makes sense with the show too.

Lost pretended to know its ending, to know the logic of their world, but nothing is really connected. I remember when the writers were saying: "We know the ending since the beginning!" Once again, I don't say that I expect answers for the mysteries.

It's hard to exploit your mysteries, your world, to create sense. Battlestar Galactica, in my opinion, did it. Because they never thought they knew everything since the first season.

Babylon 5 is the only show that I know where the showrunner had a plan for five seasons. Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 are two methods. But their worlds aren't voids of magical light which give you random mysteries.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 03, 2013, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: Drenka on October 03, 2013, 05:04:35 PMLost pretended to know its ending, to know the logic of their world, but nothing is really connected. I remember when the writers were saying: "We know the ending since the beginning!"

Can you point to a quote for that? Cause I recall Lindelof & Cuse saying the opposite, that they didn't know exactly where things were going. They even stalled at the beginning of Season 3 (which in my opinion actually produced some of the most intense episodes) because they didn't yet know how many seasons to plan for.

I have heard that they knew what the final scene would be... a mirror image of the first scene... but all that tells you is that Jack dies (or is just super tired).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on October 03, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
You guys aren't really doing this but I hate the "they're making it up as they go along" complaint. It shows an ignorance of TV production and the creative process in general. Of course they're making stuff up as they go along, and who cares. If the creators continually write themselves into corners and go on shark jumping sprees then criticize away. But I don't think it's fair to lambast the Lost writers for not having predetermined every beat or even just the ending of season 6 when they were breaking season 3.

Gilligan readily admits he didn't have all the answers to the ending even at very late stages of the game, and that he allowed himself to change course as new ideas came into the room. It seems like a better way to work as opposed to committing yourself to an ending and steadily working your way there. When the Lost guys went on Letterman or whatever and said they wrote the ending in a box and locked it away for a couple seasons as proof they knew what was coming all along, I really wish they would've just said "we have an idea for the ending but it's evolving and we're still working so with all due respect fuck off."

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 03, 2013, 05:49:48 PM
^ Totally. I meant to add something about that.

Gilligan has been talking a lot in the last several pocasts about organic storytelling, that you do yourself a disservice if you don't let things unfold, especially over 6 seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mel on October 03, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
Lost my original comment thanks to browser crash.

My point: Lost had bottle episodes and that is side effect of being on network television.

On other hand tangling of general arc has little to do it. Instead of focusing on existing narratives, writers decided to create new one. We are speaking about show with ensemble cast, which continued introducing new characters till the very end. Effect? Presenting coherent plot became harder, because writers were navigating increasing numbers of narratives. "Omissions, silly plot turns, shortcuts" - they paid this way for mistakes made earlier on. This has little to do with schedule, you can't easily undone what was before. This was long on-going process and not result of 3-4 episodes extra a season compared to cable stations (speaking about later seasons).

Re: "they're making it up as they go along" complaint

I agree. It also shouldn't be used as excuse for writers. Other shows manage just fine (even better, some shows like Deadwood or 24 were famously and literary written on the last minute with often on-set changes to script).

Going back to 24: eight seasons with hiatus in 2008 (seasons 1-6 on air year after year). Still I snatched bad numbers, because according to my calculations it is more like ~100 hours of running time for first six seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Drenk on October 04, 2013, 10:36:39 AM
I didn't use the "they're making it up as they go along" complaint. I wasn't clear, I guess. I gave the example of Babylon 5 as the only show that had a plan, because I was thinking of SF TV shows. But I know TV show, and creation a little, I know how things make sense as you go along...

I said : look at Battlestar Galactica, another show with mysteries: they were making it us as they went along. But it was good because the world was consistent. Lost gave me the impression that they didn't respect what they had created. They add stuff. Never look back. They don't at the end: season 5 and 6. Season 3 was great because they looked back.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on October 04, 2013, 01:43:12 PM
I know there's a SPOILER tag on this thread but I'd like to warn people who haven't seen the show. SPOILERS:

My favourite episodes, one of each season:

Season 1 - The Moth (Charlies goes cold turkey)

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Season 2 - The Long Con (Sawyer's the name!)

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Season 3 - The Brig (Sawyer finally gets his revenge on his parents killer)

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Season 4 - The Constant (Desmond goes bozo. Shit gets weird. This is hands down the best episode ever made of Lost. The editing (you'll see why) here is impeccable.)

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Season 5 - The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham (Locke's final days)

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Season 6 - The end (Epic!)

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Title: Re: Lost (Spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 04, 2016, 02:06:03 AM
Starting to re-watch Lost. I might post a few observations here.

I had a bit of an epiphany watching "Walkabout" since I've never actually re-watched Season 1 before. The smoke monster's mechanical sound is totally based on Locke's adding machine! (See below.)

This is the same episode where Locke sees the smoke monster for the first time. And where Jack sees his dad for the first time. Canonically, both are MiB. Makes you wonder. Smokey manifests Jack's inner thoughts, so who's to say it hasn't simply taken on this sound that is undoubtedly in Locke's head?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfI6t-yP32I
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 12, 2016, 01:12:04 AM
"House of the Rising Sun" is the first bad Lost episode, and it may stand out as one of the very worst. Coming after the legendary pilot and three superb episodes, it's actually kind of shocking.

The writing is atrocious, from dialogue to character motivations to pacing... just everything. It was written by Javier Grillo-Marxuach, who has written for Helix and The 100, so that makes sense. But he also wrote "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues," which I remember liking, so we'll see if that holds up.

Everything surrounding Kate and Jack's "flirtation" is inorganic and super cringey. Kate asking Jack about his tattoos. Charlie (wholly out of character) using a bee pun to tell Kate he thought she had C-cup breasts, and Jack smirking. Obviously the bee hive scene was written just to get to that supremely dumb moment, and to get Jack and Kate to take their shirts off. Elsewhere, Kate asks Jack if he's checking her out; it's oppressively awkward, then made worse as they try to weave in Jack's argument about moving to the caves. Nothing feels natural. Truly embarrassing.

I haven't even touched on Sun's flashbacks, which are cliche-ridden and similarly devoid of any naturalism. ("I don't want to elope with you!") It always struck me as odd that Sun has almost no reaction to receiving the puppy. Jin's behavior on-island is perhaps most problematic of all. Michael is wearing this watch that he found and obviously has no idea about its familial significance. Jin reacts like a psychotic version of an Asian stereotype. He has been severely dishonored or something, so he snaps and legit tries to kill Michael, halfway drowning him, then calling him a thief. (A thief because he found a watch in the wreckage? Okay then.)

Matthew Fox comes out of this relatively unscathed. He somehow actually sells this garbage line: "Kate, how did you get to be this way? Just what is it that you did?"

Sun's flashback at the airport at the end works quite well, so I'm going to assume that's Lindelof. Same with Adam & Eve. You can sort of feel his hand coming into the episode when we touch on key pieces of the mythology.

But then we get a montage with distractingly on-the-nose Willie Nelson lyrics, ending the episode with a flourish of cringe. Things can only improve from here.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 14, 2016, 10:53:54 PM
Holy cripes, "Confidence Man" is good! Best episode since the pilot. Yes, better than "Walkabout." It's so densely character-driven and so smart. No coincidence that it was written by Lindelof; it's like he saw "House of the Rising Sun" and was like, what, no... alright you guys, this is how you write an episode of Lost.

The work done in these 43 minutes seems to occupy 2 or 3 episodes in my memory. So many characters and character relationships come to life in this one episode. Sawyer (obviously), Sayid (torture stuff and self-exile), Shannon and Boone (a relationship that's revealed to be so affectionate and devoted that you can almost feel the seed of incest being planted here), Charlie and Claire (imaginary peanut butter), Jack (uncomfortable with the torture after 10 seconds), Kate (already figuring Sawyer out), Sun (with her Eastern medicine).

Throughout the episode, so much is accomplished with just a glance here and an expression there. Like the look exchanged between Sun and Jin after he sees her treating Shannon. (She's getting involved with the group, and he's grappling with that, cause maybe it's a good thing, etc.)

My favorite moment: Kate kisses Sawyer, then he says "I don't have it." My jaw dropped. (The benefit of only have seen this once.)

Lindelof's dialogue for Sawyer is so delicious and sharp. He totally refined (even arguably re-created) the character with this one episode.

Bonus: the flashbacks are tastefully brief.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 15, 2016, 12:00:18 AM
Really enjoying the rewatch right now. I'm rating each episode as I go, so I'll post that at some point.

Season 1 starts strong with the pilot, followed by 3 very good episodes, but then things get shockingly inconsistent. After "Walkabout," I would say "Confidence Man" is the only real gem for a stretch of 12 episodes. Maybe the weakest block in the show's history. (Although I'm sure there's something in Season 2 that rivals it.)

However, once "...In Translation" arrives (117), it's like the show suddenly finds its emotional core. Then you get 3 more fantastic episodes, consistently powerful and on-point, culminating with "Do No Harm." The energy from that story even carries over to the next episode, like it can't be contained. Two episodes later, the Season 1 finale begins.

I feel pretty good about my initial experience of the show, which seems to track with the actual quality of the episodes. The show almost lost me mid-season, but my God does it come roaring back in the last stretch, and that's when Lost really hooked me.

I think Season 1 feels better in general, even the average episodes, when you're not worrying about the hatch and the mystery of the island 90% of the time. On my first watch of Season 1, I had very little patience for the flashbacks. "Why does this matter? Get back to the island!" But now the flashbacks read as less cheesy and more meaningful. You can even choose to see the characters' stories through Jacob's eyes. Why do they need the island? Why does the island need them? (A sentiment that's actually precisely encapsulated by Jack's wedding vows in "Do No Harm.")
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 23, 2016, 11:56:30 PM
As John Locke might say, I believe in destiny.

"Exodus (Part 3)" — Season 1 finale — was directed by Jack Bender. Hurley, barely making his flight, yells: "Hold the door! Hold the door!"

Jack Bender also directed that episode of Game of Thrones (and is now Emmy-nominated for it).
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on July 24, 2016, 12:33:57 AM
Finished re-watching Season 1. I kept some brief notes and rated each episode. Pasting from my Google Doc...



101   Pilot (Part 1)   9.8      
Just as great as I remember. The show emerges fully-formed.

102   Pilot (Part 2)   9.3      
The Losties go on their first mission.

103   Tabula Rasa   8.4      
Kate's first flashback. Very good performance from Evangeline Lilly.

104   Walkabout    8.8      
Excellent, but doesn't quite live up to its reputation. Not subtle.

105   White Rabbit
   8.2      
Jack struggles with leadership. Friends are made. Locke talks about fate and magic. Jack find water and delivers the "live together, die alone" speech.

106   House of the Rising Sun   5.5      
Garbage writing. Cringey dialogue suggesting a Kate/Jack romance. Sun's flashbacks are cliche-ridden. The watch plot is nonsensical.

107   The Moth   8.3      
Charlie is going through withdrawl, gains acceptance and meaning. A little cheesy but actually very moving.

108   Confidence Man   9.1      
Best episode since the pilot!

109   Solitary   8.2      
Mysteries introduced: What is the infection? Sayid hears whispers.

110   Raised by Another   8.4      
Ethan. Claire's psychic. Starting to get a real mythology vibe now.

111   All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues   8.2      
The search for Claire stretches a bit. Unsubtle writing. Elevated by the performances and a few great moments. Hatch surface is found.

112   Whatever the Case May Be   6.0      
Some dumb Sawyer dialogue. Generally weak writing. Dumb reveal of the plane. Ends with a stupid prayer, then an awkward French song.

113   Hearts and Minds   7.8      
Shannon and Boone's step-incest.

114   Special   5.4      
Walt's backstory & powers. Really awful expository dialogue. Shockingly bad CGI polar bear. Contender for worst episode ever.

115   Homecoming   8.4      
Kinda boring, but actually underrated. Written by Lindelof. Sweet, redemptive ending.

116   Outlaws   8.3      
Best Kate/Sawyer bonding of Season 1. Sawyer's flashback is okay.

117   ...In Translation   9.1      
Lost finds its emotional core. This feels like a huge step forward.

118   Numbers   9.6      
Super fun and thought-provoking.

119   Deus Ex Machina   8.6      
A little angsty.

120   Do No Harm   9.4      
Totally powerful and on-point. Amazing performance by Matthew Fox.

121   The Greater Good   7.9      
Treading water. Sayid's flashback is lacking. But Jack's content is powerful. And some cute stuff. Exciting cliffhanger.

122   Born to Run   8.6      
Good ep. Kate tells Michael it's dangerous to bring Walt on the raft. Solid hatch content. Great acting. A decent "who poisoned Michael?" mystery.

123   Exodus (Part 1)   9.2      
Stunning performances throughout. Not much plot movement, though.

124   Exodus (Part 2)   9.4      
Some really classic moments.

125   Exodus (Part 3)   10.0      
Smoke monster appears — show goes full supernatural. Locke says "the island brought us here." Mythology begins. Last 10 minutes are total perfection.




In order of favoriteness:

10.0   125   Exodus (Part 3)
9.8   101   Pilot (Part 1)
9.6   118   Numbers
9.4   124   Exodus (Part 2)
9.4   120   Do No Harm
9.3   102   Pilot (Part 2)
9.2   123   Exodus (Part 1)
9.1   108   Confidence Man
9.1   117   ...In Translation
8.8   104   Walkabout
8.6   119   Deus Ex Machina
8.6   122   Born to Run
8.4   103   Tabula Rasa
8.4   110   Raised by Another
8.4   115   Homecoming
8.3   107   The Moth
8.3   116   Outlaws
8.2   105   White Rabbit
8.2   109   Solitary
8.2   111   All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues
7.9   121   The Greater Good
7.8   113   Hearts and Minds
6.0   112   Whatever the Case May Be
5.5   106   House of the Rising Sun
5.4   114   Special
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 07, 2016, 10:18:46 PM
What the F. On Netflix, Lost Season 2, Episodes 1 through 13 have audio sync problems to varying degrees. Some are really bad. Looks like they fixed it with Episode 14 and apparently never noticed the problem or didn't care to fix that entire slew of episodes.

https://www.netflix.com/watch/70122799?trackId=14170289&tctx=0%2C6%2C8d71672e-9b7e-48c2-b38e-938c829c3405-1736265

^ Season 2, Episode 7, go to 19:00 for a good example. This is really dumb. There's not even a 1080p copy of Season 2 on the internet. I guess I should buy the bluray, but this is my least favorite season.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 19, 2016, 03:48:43 PM
Okay, Season 2 is a lot better than I remember. I must have been frustrated by how slowly they begin to encounter the Others. But upon rewatch, these episodes are just filled with scenes and moments that feel emblematic of the show as a whole. "Classic" is the word that keeps coming to mind.

The plot stretching is real, but in a way that reflects the Losties' own uncertainty. A sense of doom always lingers; this is probably the scariest season. The storytelling is stronger, too — there's more subtlety and upending of expectations.

Less than a handful of S2 episodes are actually bad. Sometimes I will not be sold or will feel like an episode was somewhat pointless, then it will have an explosively rich ending, a final 5-10 min that just blows me away ("The Whole Truth," for example). It's hard to even judge that as one episode.

Certainly there's nothing like the bad episodes in Season 1 that leave you wondering if they needed to exist. It's never been clearer to me that Season 1 is the weakest.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 18, 2016, 02:33:07 PM
Sometimes a Lost episode gets the characters just perfectly right. "Something Nice Back Home" (410) is one of those episodes.

This one took me by surprise on rewatch, because it packed a punch that it didn't necessarily have the first time. It's like the emotional weight of the whole series is falling on Jack & Kate's shoulders here. The span of time encompassed in the episode coalesces all of that emotion in a masterful way. It's intense.

We see Jack & Kate at the height of their fraught devotion to each other both on and off island. In the flash forward, Jack visits Hurley and sees a ghost or two, and then the cracks immediately start forming. You can basically see that the truth ("we have to go back!") is buried inside Jack, slowly beginning to eat him alive. Just as the island didn't want him to leave in this episode (appendicitis), the island won't let him have a happy life in Los Angeles.

Here's a highlight, although I think the minutes before this are even better:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN_JXqcyw-o
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 19, 2016, 07:10:29 PM
SEASON 2


201   Man of Science, Man of Faith   9.8   
We meet Desmond. The hatch mythology begins. Some weak bits outweighed by all the powerful mystery.

202   Adrift      7.3   
The hatch retread brings us to the same place, which is brutally unfair. Michael's flashback and lost at sea content are not amazing. But the cliffhanger is great.

203   Orientation      9.9   
Really powerful character moments and mythology combine to make a pretty classic episode.

204   Everybody Hates Hugo   8.2      
Surprisingly touching episode.

205   ...And Found   7.9      
The Sun/Jin flashback is meh. Moment of the episode: seeing the others' feet walk by. Has a strong finish.

206   Abandoned    9.2      
Truly stunning acting from Maggie Grace, no joke. Really hardcore ending (Shannon's death).

207   The Other 48 Days   9.5
Approaches greatness. Less classic than I remember, though. Michelle Rodriguez's skillset clearly does not include crying. How bad were the takes they didn't use?

208   Collision   9.5      
Plot stalling is more than justified by countless strong character moments and a flawless ending.

209   What Kate Did   8.8      
Love triangle escalates. Evangeline Lily nails it once again. Classic hatch mythology cliffhanger.

210   The 23rd Psalm   7.5      
Serviceable but forgettable episode.

211   The Hunting Party   8.7      
Matthew Fox gives one of his best performances — mindblowing. First meeting with the Others.

212   Fire + Water   6.2      
Makes us hate Charlie. Tries to inspire sympathy with his flashback, but it's just not enough. He should be permanently exiled. The episode reeks of creating false drama to fill the mid-season lull, including Charlie's nonsensical behavior and a ridiculous love quadrangle. Only saving grace is a few moments of fun weirdness.

213   The Long Con   9.3      
This one really sneaks up on you. Surprisingly good. It does strain credulity that Charlie could follow Locke without being noticed, though. Hurley foreshadows time travel!

214   One of Them   9.6      
Epic performance by Michael Emerson. This is also maybe Sayid's best episode. Writing is great — feels like the season has finally found its purpose.

215   Maternity Leave   9.4      
Tons of great Others content. And some excellent assorted weirdness.

216   The Whole Truth   7.7      
Poorly-written filler episode with a really strong ending.

217   Lockdown   7.7      
Another filler episode, except for Jack vs. Sawyer poker (good) and the last few minutes (great). FYI, it's revealed that last episode's "lockdown" probably happened so hatch-dwellers wouldn't see where the food shipment came from.

218   Dave   8.2      
Underrated episode. Lots of fun. Plays with reality in a way that's true to the show.

219   S.O.S.   9.2      
Rose and Bernard's story. Those performances kind of take your breath away. The episode feels well-structured and sure-footed.

220   Two for the Road   8.4      
Average episode with a really great shocking ending. Michelle Rodriguez tries to cry again but still can't do it.

221   ?   9.3      
John's descent into doubt and despair is a bit much and drifts out of character. Against all odds, Eko upstages him. Otherwise, this episode is pretty great.

222   Three Minutes   8.7      
Pretty good. Feels a bit stretched, but a few beautifully-executed scenes bring the episode together. Why must everyone get knocked out all the time? — It verges on parody.

223   Live Together, Die Alone (Part 1)   9.4      
Exciting plot momentum. Desmond's flashback is really engaging. No classic moments yet, though.

224   Live Together, Die Alone (Part 2)   10.0      
One amazing revelation after another. This epitomizes a great Lost episode. Among the very best!



In order of favoriteness:


10.0   224   Live Together, Die Alone (Part 2)
9.9   203   Orientation
9.8   201   Man of Science, Man of Faith
9.6   214   One of Them
9.5   207   The Other 48 Days
9.5   208   Collision
9.4   215   Maternity Leave
9.4   223   Live Together, Die Alone (Part 1)
9.3   213   The Long Con
9.3   221   ?
9.2   206   Abandoned
9.2   219   S.O.S.
8.8   209   What Kate Did
8.7   211   The Hunting Party
8.7   222   Three Minutes
8.4   220   Two for the Road
8.2   204   Everybody Hates Hugo
8.2   218   Dave
7.9   205   ...And Found
7.7   217   Lockdown
7.7   216   The Whole Truth
7.5   210   The 23rd Psalm
7.3   202   Adrift
6.2   212   Fire + Water
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 19, 2016, 07:26:39 PM
SEASON 3


301   A Tale of Two Cities   9.4      
Legendary cold open.

302   The Glass Ballerina   8.7      
Decent episode. Engaging enough. But, as usual, Sun's flashback is a bit weak and overextended.

303   Further Instructions   7.7      
The sweat lodge sequence is wonderful, but otherwise Locke's content is underwhelming. Meanwhile, Desmond's new clairvoyance is exciting.

304   Every Man for Himself   9.6      
This is where Jack/Kate/Sawyer's imprisonment first peaks. So much going on from beginning to end. Sawyer's flashback, charactersitically, is brief and excellent.

305   The Cost of Living   7.3      
Eko's flashback: okay. John's adventure: garbage (some of his weirdest dialogue ever, plus overexposition). Jack's content: fantastic (and almost certainly written by someone else).

306   I Do   10.0      
Wow. The captive story definitely achieves its full potential here. Emotional intensity and complexity dominate. Dynamite performances from beginning to end. Visually masterful. This is probably the best mystery-free episode of the show.

307   Not in Portland   9.3      
More emotional intensity, with a few helpings of mythology.

308   Flashes Before Your Eyes   9.4      
The writing is surprisingly mixed. But conceptually, a huge leap forward. Lots of easter eggs, too... Charlie sings to Desmond: "maybe you're gonna be the one who saves me." Earlier, "Building A Mystery" plays on the clock radio.

309   Stranger in a Strange Land   7.0      
The flashback is pointless. The island stuff is more than passable, though. Not the sharpest episode, but hardly the worst ever, as many believe. It benefits from Matthew Fox's full commitment.

310   Tricia Tanaka Is Dead   8.0      
Flawed but fun.

311   Enter 77   8.4      
A decent adventure. Some of the mythology is tantalizing (chess game). But some feels silly ("shoot me"). Contrast with 313 — sort of in a different category.

312   Par Avion   9.6      
Claire's psyche and her dynamic with Charlie both come to life here. Music is amazing throughout. Has one of the best episode endings ever!

313   The Man from Tallahassee   10.0      
Powerful and pitch-perfect from beginning to end. A smart episode executed to its full potential. Another one that epitomizes the show.

314   Exposé   9.5      
A unique (though not flawless) gem. Wonderfully indulgent. You can feel the creative energy that went into this one.

315   Left Behind   9.3      
Smart episode with a lot of heart. Each character moment feels remarkably true to the show.

316   One of Us   9.0      
Decent, but stretches a bit. We reach a Juliet saturation point. Amazing ending, though.

317   Catch-22   8.4      
A solid "Losties hangin' out" episode. But the writing is mixed, and Desmond's flashes are quite dumbed down. They still don't entirely trust us with Desmond's content.

318   D.O.C.   7.4      
Subpar episode. Overloaded with plot recapping. Sun's flashback is better than usual, though. We find out Jin's "promotion" was her fault. Great cliffhanger.

319   The Brig   9.1      
Mythology feels a bit off (especially compared to the next ep), but everything with Locke's dad is really intense.

320   The Man Behind the Curtain   9.8      
Jacob's cabin! Ben's backstory! Dharma! There's so much fresh discovery here, so much to chew on, and the execution feels right.

321   Greatest Hits   10.0      
A perfect episode. Emotional and exciting throughout. Basically part 1 of the finale.

322   Through the Looking Glass (Part 1)   10.0      
This is one of those finale Part 1s that has a lot of meat on it. Contrast with 123 and even 223.

323   Through the Looking Glass (Part 2)   10.0      
Layers upon layers of thematic depth here. And that final scene is just transcendently great. It's a clear signal that what comes next — the second half of Lost — will be taking things to a new level.



In order of favoriteness:


10.0   306   I Do
10.0   323   Through the Looking Glass (Part 2)
10.0   321   Greatest Hits
10.0   313   The Man from Tallahassee
10.0   322   Through the Looking Glass (Part 1)
9.8   320   The Man Behind the Curtain
9.6   304   Every Man for Himself
9.6   312   Par Avion
9.5   314   Exposé
9.4   301   A Tale of Two Cities
9.4   308   Flashes Before Your Eyes
9.3   315   Left Behind
9.3   307   Not in Portland
9.1   319   The Brig
9.0   316   One of Us
8.7   302   The Glass Ballerina
8.4   311   Enter 77
8.4   317   Catch-22
8.0   310   Tricia Tanaka Is Dead
7.7   303   Further Instructions
7.4   318   D.O.C.
7.3   305   The Cost of Living
7.0   309   Stranger in a Strange Land
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 19, 2016, 07:34:16 PM
Comparing Seasons 1, 2, and 3...


Season 1
Average score: 8.4
Tens: 1

Season 2
Average score: 8.7
Tens: 1

Season 3
Average score: 9.0
Tens: 5
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: modage on November 20, 2016, 11:01:11 PM
I love that you're doing this, and interesting to note that Season 3 is the one where everyone started to get antsy about "where is this going?" and falling off ratings-wise but as you've observed it's arguably the best season of the show. Everyone loves Season 1 (which is great, duh) but it's 2 and 3 where we really start getting into the meat of what made the show great. Deeper characters, deeper mysteries.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 21, 2016, 12:34:11 AM
Thanks! And I agree. I remembered Season 2 as stretching along interminably in spots, but on rewatch I had a different experience.

Season 3, for me, reaches heights that the show hadn't achieved before. (With the exception of the Season 2 finale, I suppose, which is amazing.)

I might have been a little hard on Season 1, but I'll stand by it. That season has the most severe stinker episodes, and some of the most flawed mystery elements and weird story shifts that seem like mistakes or corrections. (Like the whole beach vs. caves thing.)

Random observation: I just noticed that Season 2 has an episode called "One of Them" (where they've captured Ben), and Season 3 has "One of Us" (where we learn about Juliet).
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 27, 2016, 12:36:07 AM
Wow, Season 5 really takes a while to get going. Five episodes in, the flashes are still happening. At least Sun has stopped trying to be a weird supervillain. I'm sure I burned through these episodes pretty quickly on my original watch, because I can't imagine waiting week to week, feeling the slow grind. I suppose this works to emphasize how difficult it is to get back to the island, so I will accept it as necessary setup.

Random fun thing. Jin gives his wedding ring to John so he can say that Jin's body washed up on shore, "proving" that he's dead. Because why else would Jin give up the ring? Instead, Ben uses this same ring to prove to Sun that Jin is alive and waiting for her. Because why else would Jin give up the ring? It's kind of brilliant.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 16, 2016, 12:33:14 AM
Things that happen all the time in Lost:

(Are we there for Alex's birth scene? Honestly don't remember. All that maternity just blends together after a while.)
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 16, 2016, 11:08:45 PM
SEASON 4


401   The Beginning of the End   8.3   
Lots of clunky explaining on-island. But the flash forwards are magical. Overall, this is the weakest season premiere.

402   Confirmed Dead   9.4   
Emblematic of Season 4. Many new characters. Things feel fresh and exciting.

403   The Economist   8.2   
On-island antics get a little silly, and the flash-forward mystery feels looser. Still really fun, though. Faraday's discoveries are actually the best part.

404   Eggtown   8.8   
A pretty solid episode. All the character moments feel right. Flash-forward is the highlight — the teases continue to stack up in a masterful way.

405   The Constant   10.0   
There's a reason this episode is so beloved. Combines bonkers science fiction with authentic emotion in the way only Lost can.

406   The Other Woman   7.7   
This one feels a bit off. Some weird character choices. Enjoyable moments, though.

407   Ji Yeon   8.4   
One of the better Sun & Jin episodes. Fun twists. Nothing amazing.

408   Meet Kevin Johnson   9.3   
Michael's best? Everything about this episode is pretty great. Feels like classic Lost.

409   The Shape of Things to Come   9.9   
Ben at his peak. How did they fit so much delicious mythology into one episode?

410   Something Nice Back Home   10.0   
An intense, emotionally perfect episode. Kate & Jack's relationship, present and future, is rendered with subtlety and stunning depth. Underappreciated.

411   Cabin Fever   9.6   
Mythology-rich and propulsive. A dropoff in emotional power, though.

412   There's No Place Like Home (Part 1)    9.1   
Very setup-heavy. Unremarkable except for a few scenes. The return and press conference are suitably surreal. Christian's funeral and the Claire revelation are great.

413   There's No Place Like Home (Part 2)   9.5   
More setup. But things get exciting. Highlights: the Jack & Kate flash-forward, and everything that happens in the Orchid.

414   There's No Place Like Home (Part 3)   10.0   
A classic episode. Full mythology. And the show pushes past sci-fi into fantasy. Wonderfully complex. Cathartic. (Quibbles: a couple plot holes, and future Sun is ridiculous.)



In order of favoriteness:


10.0   414   There's No Place Like Home (Part 3)
10.0   410   Something Nice Back Home
10.0   405   The Constant
9.9   409   The Shape of Things to Come
9.6   411   Cabin Fever
9.5   413   There's No Place Like Home (Part 2)
9.4   402   Confirmed Dead
9.3   408   Meet Kevin Johnson
9.1   412   There's No Place Like Home (Part 1)
8.8   404   Eggtown
8.4   407   Ji Yeon
8.3   401   The Beginning of the End
8.2   403   The Economist
7.7   406   The Other Woman



Updated averages. Season 4 cheats a bit with only 14 episodes, but that's alright.

Season 1
Average score: 8.4
Tens: 1

Season 2
Average score: 8.7
Tens: 1

Season 3
Average score: 9.0
Tens: 5

Season 4
Average score: 9.2
Tens: 3
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 18, 2016, 02:11:30 AM
Ugh, man. Currently falling in love with Season 6 all over again. It's so sharp, trading the insanity and goofiness of Season 5 for this really vivid, almost indescribable sense of marching toward fate.

As I've said many times, I love being trolled by a movie or a show, and the Season 6 premiere (LA X) really goes for it. Then it actually accelerates, in a way. We see differences that can't be explained by the plane not crashing, combined with echoes suggesting otherwise (i.e., "but it did happen"). Jack has actual scars from his experiences on the island. One of them is the scar from his appendix surgery, which seems to have suddenly appeared along with a fuzzy dream memory of that event ("I guess I remember"). Oh, and Jack apparently has a son... whose past piano playing also amounts to a dream memory.

It's so wonderfully Lynchian, but it's like... Lindelof-Lynchian — a unique blend that would eventually be fully unleashed in Lindelof's The Leftovers, particularly in the episode "International Assassin." Season 6 is the most audacious season. More than the others, it's an artist's vision, with absolutely no apologies.

The show is also engaging with us on a whole other level. What if the characters' lives are different — improved, in fact — because they blew up the island, and Jacob never manipulated them? It's a quasi-rhetorical question, because of what is eventually revealed, but it serves as a very meta metaphor for what actually did happen. As Jacob and MiB begin to recruit for this final showdown, the show also asks us to pick a side.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 26, 2016, 03:53:22 PM
SEASON 5


501   Because You Left   9.5   
Pedal to the floor. This episode does not care if you're struggling to keep up or are not on board. So much to absorb here, and we're just thrown into it, mirroring the experience of the Losties.

502   The Lie   8.4   
Very silly episode with some fantastic scenes.

503   Jughead   8.1   
Things noticeably begin to slow down. Still some compelling revelations.

504   The Little Prince   7.7   
Writing is actually pretty bad in this one. (Except for a classic line from Kate in the first scene.) Feels like the plot should be moving a little faster right now.

505   This Place Is Death   7.9   
Really starting to feel the drag. There is enough happening to carry the show, but you can't help getting antsy here.

506   316   9.7   
Aaaand it's back! This is a well-conceived episode full of mystery and emotion. The Jack & Kate scenes are especially fascinating. Feels like the characters have come to life again.

507   The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham   9.3   
Lots of great mythology and intrigue. Matthew Fox nearly steals the episode with a breathtaking performance in one brief scene.

508   LaFleur   9.2   
Fun episode with some classic moments. Sawyer and Juliet's romance is made completely believable in the space of one episode.

509   Namaste   9.9   
A truly delightful episode. Worlds collide. Jack lets go of leadership and enters his zen phase.

510   He's Our You   8.2   
Feels like the plot is simply moving forward here, and there are a few cliches too many. But still some excellent scenes and moments (interrogation and what happens with Ben).

511   Whatever Happened, Happened   9.4   
Kate flashbacks are underrated, and this one really packs a punch. The show has a lot of thematic confidence right now. Also, Jack 2.0 is significantly better on rewatch. This is next-level character planning.

512   Dead is Dead   8.1   
Clunky. Still has some great stuff. Includes surprisingly clear hints about who John is.

513   Some Like It Hoth   7.9   
This one is not especially significant or subtle. It eventually surprises you with its layers, though.

514   The Variable   9.8   
The mythology makes a triumphant return. Faraday, Eloise, and Widmore raise the stakes.

515   Follow The Leader   10.0   
Full steam ahead. Dizzying plot momentum plus real emotional stakes makes this a winner. Essentially part 1 of the finale.

516   The Incident   10.0   
This 2-part finale is one of the very best episodes of Lost. Beautifully structured. Tense and satisfying from beginning to end. The Jacob content is pure magic. Mythology hits a new peak. Really feels like the show is achieving its potential here.



In order of favoriteness:


10.0   516   The Incident (Parts 1 & 2)
10.0   515   Follow The Leader
9.9   509   Namaste
9.8   514   The Variable
9.7   506   316
9.5   501   Because You Left
9.4   511   Whatever Happened, Happened
9.3   507   The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
9.2   508   LaFleur
8.4   502   The Lie
8.2   510   He's Our You
8.1   512   Dead is Dead
8.1   503   Jughead
7.9   513   Some Like It Hoth
7.9   505   This Place Is Death
7.7   504   The Little Prince
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Kal on December 27, 2016, 01:04:08 AM
I'm definitely interested in discussing why you love Season 6 so much. I re-watched everything last year, and even though I loved the ride, I thought Season 6 and the overall ending was not great.

I thought the introduction of The Temple and all those new characters, the weirdness around Sayid towards the end, Widmore, Dead John Locke, and the entire story and dynamic around Jacob and his brother were not great. In fact, Dead John Locke was one of the first things that bothered me. Terry O'Quinn was John Locke and having him on the show not being himself didn't feel right. I would have rather have the real John Locke at odds with Jack until the very end, just like every moment leading into the end. I mean, it would have been better for John to actually come back to life as another "miracle" than to have him suddenly be this "Man in Black", and all that comes with that. I would have preferred it if Ben and Widmore and their rivalry were also more important to the conclusion of the story.

To me it felt like the writers wrote themselves into a corner with so many mysteries over the seasons, and the way they solved them wasn't satisfying. The Flash-Sideways are brilliant all the way until the end. I didn't like the ending. Anyways, too much to cover and not easy to illustrate all my thoughts here, but definitely worth discussing over beers sometime.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Kal on December 27, 2016, 01:05:02 AM
And by the way, I agree with most of your other thoughts and opinions around the other season and episodes, which is why I felt important to mention Season 6 and the ending in particular.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 27, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
Thanks. I'll be happy to get into all of that, now and as I continue with Season 6.

MIB taking on the visage of John Locke did feel viscerally wrong to me, but it's supposed to. It's a cruel thing. Think of it as demonic...

It makes complete sense to me now, and it feels even more right upon rewatch. Terry O'Quinn plays him as a different character, and I find it endlessly engaging. Not-Locke is honest about not being Locke, but he still uses people's associations with John to manipulate them. We see in Richard's flashback that the real MIB is not particularly charming (and in fact fails). John has that charming smile, a strong father figure vibe, and that confidence like he's the king of the jungle.

More practically, though, as said in the show, MIB took on Locke's appearance because Locke is the one person who could get an audience with Jacob. And he set the whole thing up. Remember how Not-Locke sent Richard in to deliver a message to the time-traveling wounded Locke? "You're gonna have to die, John."

I think we have at least one major point of agreement, though — I don't think the episode dealing with Jacob's childhood should have been made. Or it should have been obscured or half-revealed in some way. It just felt weird seeing all of that. We'll see how it goes this time around.

I believe even more strongly now that to view Lost as a series of questions and answers is a shallow way to interpret the show. People should be talking about its endless thematic depth.

Quote from: Kal on December 27, 2016, 01:04:08 AMso many mysteries over the seasons, and the way they solved them wasn't satisfying

Lost at its core is about fantasy and mysticism. It's not designed to "solve" mysteries like a whodunnit. Its answers, while plentiful, often just lead to more questions. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Kal on December 27, 2016, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 27, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
Lost at its core is about fantasy and mysticism. It's not designed to "solve" mysteries like a whodunnit. Its answers, while plentiful, often just lead to more questions. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

What I meant about the mysteries was that I would have rather leave a lot of open questions for interpretation, than to try to answer them all in an unsatisfactory way.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 27, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
More practically, though, as said in the show, MIB took on Locke's appearance because Locke is the one person who could get an audience with Jacob. And he set the whole thing up. Remember how Not-Locke sent Richard in to deliver a message to the time-traveling wounded Locke? "You're gonna have to die, John."

I didn't remember that. That actually makes a lot of sense, if he had planned it all along, and sets the whole thing up brilliantly, but not sure if most people picked that up.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 27, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
Richard also tells the wounded John that he spoke to another version of him. (Paraphrasing: "Who told you this?"/"You did, John.") So John believed he was following his own wisdom from the future, when he was just being fooled yet again.

That's the tragedy of Locke. There was clearly something unique and important about him, but he had deep, persistent flaws (gullibility, insecurity) that led to his sacrificial death. It was a worthy sacrifice, but Locke himself ultimately served as the object of pity.

Richard showed items including the pocket watch to a young John Locke to see if he was in fact a "chosen one" of some kind. But young John failed the test. Richard later said to Jack (while Sayid disassembled Jughead) that he was never able to verify that there was actually anything "particularly special" about John. But Jack, having already entered his zen phase, vouched for John, perhaps providing that extra push that caused Richard to trust Not-Locke.

It was only after Jacob died that Not-Locke was honest about his identity, because it was revealed, and the disguise had served its purpose. But he still managed to shamelessly exploit it, getting people to follow him even though they knew he was an impostor.

The brilliant hypocrisy of the Man in Black is he does exactly what he accuses Jacob of doing — interfering in the affairs of men, manipulating people, and even forcing them to act against their will. (The temple folks are following him only because they've witnessed the alternative.)

It's no secret that he's a stand-in for the devil. The smoke monster is even called "el diablo" in Ab Aeterno. Elsewhere, "evil incarnate."
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 30, 2016, 12:17:52 AM
Here's a question that has always nagged at me a bit. Now thanks to this AV Club comment (from 2010), it makes total sense.

When MIB talks to Jack in 613, he reveals that he did appear as his father early on... because he was trying to lead him to water, and always wanted to help him, etc. However...

QuoteThe episode they're talking about is White Rabbit. That's when Jack runs off to figure out why he's seeing the Ghost of Christian Shephard. MIB's explanation was "You needed water." But go back and watch White Rabbit. You'll see that whoever it is, he tried to lead Jack off a cliff. Jack nearly died, and Locke ended up saving him before Jack found the fresh water at the caves (not to mention, Christian's empty coffin).

SO. My theory is that MIB-as-Christian was trying to kill Jack so that he could assume JACK'S form early on. Remember, that's when everyone listened to Jack, before the Oceanic survivors started fragmenting, before half stayed at the beach and half went to the caves.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Kal on December 30, 2016, 03:10:20 AM
Would love to think the writers had all that figured out in Season 1, but doubt it. I think MIB and even Jacob were not as baked as we would think when JJ Abrams developed Season 1. It's great that it ties everything together, but not realistic.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 30, 2016, 07:43:07 AM
I should read some interviews on this, but the confrontation between good and evil was roughly baked in. Remember all the backgammon and white vs black themes in very early Season 1?

Considering what happens in White Rabbit, I do think they had a vision for some kind of trickster/temptation figure. I doubt the details of MIB crystallized until very late, though — I agree.

Still tons of impressive forethought. John even says in Season 1, "the island brought us here for a reason." The stuff about electromagnetism started very early. Claire being warned that she must raise her child. (Abandoning him turns her evil/crazy.)

John also claims to have seen the heart of the island (i.e. the glowy cave), "and it was beautiful."
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on December 30, 2016, 10:05:04 AM
The glowy cave is what I call The Magic Vagina. Because I'm deep.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 02, 2017, 12:14:17 AM
More on the writers planning ahead. Damon Lindelof, two years before the finale:


"Do we know the absolute end of the show? Yeah. We've had that in mind for quite some time. But can we hand you a script for the last episode of the show right now? No, because there are market fluctuations that we are unaware of at this point. Certain characters that you want to write more for sort of wear out their welcome sooner rather than later. New characters are introduced, and pop in unexpected ways. The essential nature of that last episode is more specifically about what the last three or four scenes are, and us working toward those has always remained pretty constant."

http://www.avclub.com/article/ilostis-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-14231
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on January 02, 2017, 12:15:19 PM
Yes. The last shot was a good idea and you can feel how it was planned. I think that a show like Battlestar Galactica was way better at making it up as they went along. Season 6 of LOST feels way longer than it should be, the scenes on the Island are...well, I don't remember most of them, except when one character just blows up, like that, and all the others characters are like: "Well, okay, whatever. Dynamite is dangerous."

But I never understood why people felt there was a lack of answers, everything essential is there, but the pacing of the last season is wrong. And I think that the flash-forward were a bad idea, it's not exactly the kind of supernatural that existed in the show. But, well, I was also disappointed by Across the Sea...

But seven years later here we are, still talking about LOST!
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 02, 2017, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Drenk on January 02, 2017, 12:15:19 PMI think that the flash-forward were a bad idea, it's not exactly the kind of supernatural that existed in the show.

Personally, though, what you're talking about is exactly why I love Season 6 so much. It's so fearless and unapologetic.

When the show turns from science fiction to fantasy, that's my sweet spot. All the bonkers mystical stuff that happens in the final season absolutely feels like what the show was building towards the whole time.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on January 02, 2017, 05:14:20 PM
Oh, you understood but I didn't mean the flash-forwards but the flash-sideways.

Yes, I can admit that, at least, it was a radical choice. But it felt too much out of character for me.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 02, 2017, 06:39:51 PM
SEASON 6


601/602   LA X    10.0      
A true classic. Fraught with nostalgia, fear, and confusion. The best Lost episodes capture a complex bundle of emotions and toss you in with them. The show at this point really begins to troll us in the most beautiful way, while dropping some very clever hints. This completes the best 5-hour stretch in the entire show's run.

603   What Kate Does   8.7      
Amounts to a good stalling episode. Nothing amazing, but still quite sharp throughout. Contains Saywer's best cry.

604   The Substitute   9.4      
Smart and engaging from beginning to end. Very strong character stuff for both John and Saywer. A couple mindblowing moments, like Not-Locke's "don't tell me what I can't do!"

605   Lighthouse   10.0      
This one is just completely full of Lost goodness. On island, Hurley proves to be a surprisingly ideal mythology delivery system. Jack is at a crossroads in his hero's journey, and it's electrifying, thanks to Matthew Fox's intense performance. Crazy Claire is lots of fun and wonderfully unpredictable. Jack's flash-sideways perfectly illustrates the point of the flash-sideways, especially on rewatch. So many feelings.

606   Sundown   8.1      
A tad cliche-heavy, and Sayid's flashback is decidedly mixed. Still entertaining as an action episode.

607   Dr. Linus   8.4      
Definitely cheesy, and the directing is noticeably off (Mario Van Peebles for God knows what reason). But Ben's redemption arc, in both worlds, has real weight and is completely convincing. Elsewhere, Jack takes a leap of faith. He's basically good to go now — meet Jack 3.0.

608   Recon   8.2      
Quite underwhelming overall. There are some standout scenes, though. Sawyer's cold open is great. All of Kate's content is excellent. Yet another great performance from Evangeline Lily — so much emotional complexity as she grapples with Claire.

609   Ab Aeterno   10.0      
Mythology peaks again! The Jacob vs. MIB content continues to have a kind of mystique that's nearly impossible to achieve. This episode was significantly better on rewatch, because I was ready to accept Richard as a flawed human. Hurley's power here also feels a lot better the second time around.

610   The Package   9.5      
Another super sharp episode. Not a wasted minute. Perhaps Yunjin Kim's best performance.

611   Happily Ever After   10.0      
Sublime! One of the most profound and exciting episodes of Season 6. Sideways world begins to show its hand.

612   Everybody Loves Hugo   8.1      
This script could use another polish or two... or three. But the story still progresses beautifully.

613   The Last Recruit   8.9      
Things continue to converge in exciting ways. Powerful moments are abundant. A few cringey bits of subtext-as-text; otherwise, very on-point. Jack's ever-present intuition is a surprising highlight on rewatch.

614   The Candidate   9.3      
A good action episode with some standout performances and a few classic moments. Then, a really strong finish — the final 5 minutes are flawless and profound.

615   Across the Sea   8.0      
This episode inspires fierce ambivalence. The origin story is a worthy one with many layers of meaning. You do feel like you're discovering "the source" of Jacob's philosophy and the show's principles, with all the countless references and echoes. However, this is essentially a tragic missed opportunity, because the execution is deeply flawed. The mysticism (despite spotty writing) basically works, but the acting simply does not. Allison Janney gives perhaps the worst performance in the history of Lost. So regrettable — this actually could have been a classic.

616   What They Died For   10.0      
A firecracker of an episode. The mythology has never been more moving. Every moment spent with Jacob is pure magic. And the writing just clicks. They really pulled off an impossible task. Elsewhere, good plot momentum and lots of emotion. Fantastic performances throughout.

617/618   The End   10.0      
I love every exquisite minute of this finale with the core of my being. I cannot imagine a more perfect or powerful way to finish the series. This is not only the best episode of Lost, it's my favorite episode of television.



In order of favoriteness:


10.0   617   The End
10.0   601   LA X
10.0   611   Happily Ever After
10.0   609   Ab Aeterno
10.0   605   Lighthouse
10.0   616   What They Died For
9.5   610   The Package
9.4   604   The Substitute
9.3   614   The Candidate
8.9   613   The Last Recruit
8.7   603   What Kate Does
8.4   607   Dr. Linus
8.2   608   Recon
8.1   606   Sundown
8.1   612   Everybody Loves Hugo
8.0   615   Across the Sea
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: polkablues on January 02, 2017, 09:55:07 PM
I hated Across the Sea so much that it casts a pall over my enjoyment of the rest of this season. Just a complete and utter failure, both as an individual episode and (especially) as part of the greater story. Hated hated hated it.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 02, 2017, 11:10:22 PM
It is heartbreaking. When you see how they handled very explicit parts of the mythology in "Ab Aeterno" and "What They Died For" (not to mention late Season 5), it's clear that they are capable of executing that stuff very well. The last 15 min of "What They Died For" actually kind of stunned me — they wrote Jacob's dialogue with so much delicacy and care, conveying some really bizarre concepts with subtlety and grace. And the performance is so perfect.

By contrast, "Across the Sea" sometimes feels like you're just watching a couple of dumb guys running around.

Maybe the episode was designed to confront us with a meta mystery: How is it possible that Lindelof & Cuse wrote it?

Even more confusing: It was directed by Tucker Gates. What else did he direct? "Confidence Man," one of my favorites from Season 1. "I Do," one of the very best episodes of Lost, notable for its stunning performances, intense authentic emotion, striking visuals, and really sharp production value. He directed "Ab Aeterno," which was great in exactly the ways "Across the Sea" was not.

I can only imagine that they were on some kind of ridiculous time crunch or had a serious production crisis.

This time around, I was willing to look for what was good in the episode. And I didn't hate it. Sure, I hated moments of it (passionately). I hated Allison Janney. And the whole thing still saddens me. But you can see that the structure is there (and in some cases the content, too) for something potentially great. It's probably best watched with a wiki page open, because the exciting parts are all the cross-references. And the donkey wheel is pretty good.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 07, 2017, 10:24:11 PM
Currently going through and deciding what my absolute favorite episodes are. Anyone want to share some of theirs?

Related side note. I'm struck by how powerfully the show shines for its really big episodes — mostly season finales and premieres. The worst episodes are ones where they clearly didn't have time to even properly polish the script. I think if Lost had been given a premium cable production schedule, people would be talking about it like they talk about Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on January 07, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
The Constant is an amazing moment of television and my favorite episode of LOST. I think Season 4 is my favorite, but I haven't re-watched them since a long time...
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 08, 2017, 02:35:00 AM
One of my absolute favorites is "I Do" (306), which was Season 3's mid-season finale, and the height of the captive story.

I'll have more to say about it later, but I guess I've already said this:

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on January 02, 2017, 11:10:22 PM"I Do," one of the very best episodes of Lost, notable for its stunning performances, intense authentic emotion, striking visuals, and really sharp production value.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: polkablues on January 09, 2017, 12:27:09 AM
"The Constant," for sure, "Through the Looking Glass," and "Man of Science, Man of Faith." The more I look back on the series, the more I realize that Desmond's story is the one I care about the most.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 15, 2017, 01:03:29 AM
I hate to be a contrarian, but I think the Desmond/Penny content can get a bit overwrought.

I still like it, and "The Constant" is great (I gave it a 10), but I don't agree with the semi-popular belief that Desmond and Penny are the soul of Lost. I'm not sure they quite pulled off what they were ostensibly going for — an epic romance that conquers space and time.

Desmond and Penny sometimes read to me as playing structural roles in the show. (At worst, Penny herself can resemble a macguffin.)

But Jack and Kate read as flesh and blood characters with explosive chemistry and an existential connection that seems to transcend earthly concepts of friendship or romance. In fact, when they are together and engaged off-island, rather than an end-point it feels like just one hat they're trying on in their eternal journey. In some moments they even achieve this intense look of recognition as if they remember each other from a past life. (For example, 14:40 in "I Do.")

Perhaps it has something to do with Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly being the best actors on the show. I don't know if that's controversial, but I truly believe it.

Watch "Something Nice Back Home" and "I Do" and "316" and see if you agree.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: polkablues on January 15, 2017, 02:05:31 AM
Yeah, I never once got the sense throughout the series that Jack and Kate had any sort of realistic connection beyond being two pretty people who got stranded on an island together. I'm a much bigger proponent of Kate/Sawyer and Jack/Juliet.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 15, 2017, 10:27:43 AM
Wow. I could not disagree more.

Many fans feel exactly the way you do, though. It's an interesting divide.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Kal on January 15, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
Kate & Sawyer and Jack & Juliet are the logical options because of their personalities and backgrounds. First there is the fact that Jack & Kate meet first and have a lot of forced-chemistry moments because they spend so many times 'leading' together (and she keeps following Jack every time he says not to follow him). Sawyer at first is played as this total asshole that won't care about anyone else.

But as characters develop, you can see Kate & Sawyer are very much alike. And you can see Jack & Juliet are very much alike, not just because they are doctors, but because they are obsessed with "trying to fix things" or "be in control" even though neither one has control.

I have always rooted for Jack & Kate though because it was clear that it would never really happen. That is why "Something Nice Back Home" is great and heartbreaking, because you get to see a glimpse of what that connection could be and get Jack loses his shit again.

The Sawyer & Juliet dynamic also seems forced at first, but by the end of "LaFleur" you believe it. And it's another situation similar to "Something Nice Back Home" because it seems like they are finally happy and have a great life and purpose, and it all goes to hell from there. Sawyer never forgot about Kate, and she is now back in the picture, but that doesn't make him love Juliet any less (and the episodes after that prove it).
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 15, 2017, 12:47:37 PM
I agree. And I'll take that a bit further. Kate and Sawyer are actually too much alike to ever be long-term partners. You can see this even in the episode where they have sex in the cage ("I Do") and then in the following episodes when it's crystal clear that she was never going to meet Sawyer's level of commitment. It's a bit heartbreaking to see how crushed and frustrated he is, but it also feels inevitable. Equally inevitable as Kate & Jack's romance being doomed.

The thing that almost transpires between Jack and Juliet in Season 3, I think, is probably the least convincing romance in the entire show. That's when the love triangle (quadrangle at that point) actually starts to feel forced and kind of ridiculous. The scenes with them laughing together are stagey and a little embarrassing, honestly. (Then of course we find out it's a bit of a misunderstanding — they were being secretive because of their secret plan to go to war with the Others.)
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on March 03, 2017, 06:13:16 AM
There's a Masterclass with Lindelof in Paris, I'll go. Do you have questions I could ask in a Q&A? It's in April. They'll also show the first two episodes of the last season of The Leftovers before they air.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on March 03, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
Oh my. I will have to think of something.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on April 08, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
The masterclass is saturday. And I see the episodes thursday! It's exciting because, except the fact that they'll go to Australia, I have no idea what to expect—and it's one of the many joys of The Leftovers...

Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 08, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
Given the chance, this is probably what I would ask Lindelof:

"Do you know how great the Lost finale actually is? Do you realize how deeply, thoroughly, genuinely satisfying it was for many, many Lost fans? Can I give you a hug?"

But if you don't feel comfortable saying that on my behalf... I would ask what it's like grappling with the supernatural in The Leftovers. It seems like he enjoys pushing up against those boundaries of what can be rationally explained. And occasionally The Leftovers seems to cross that line. How does he approach that?
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on April 08, 2017, 12:12:08 PM
That's a good question about The Leftovers! I was worried that they would cross a line in season 2 but it worked. I don't know how. It just did.

And if they give me a mic I'll also say how satisfying the Lost finale is for many fans.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 08, 2017, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: Drenk on April 08, 2017, 12:12:08 PM
And if they give me a mic I'll also say how satisfying the Lost finale is for many fans.

and then tag it with "But for most, it was just as infuriating as The Leftovers is and how do you sleep at night knowing that people keep watching The Leftovers even though we know it stinks?"
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on April 08, 2017, 12:33:00 PM
I do hate the Lost finale (I mean, the issue is the whole last season for me) but I love The Leftovers! I can't be the voice of all viewers!
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: polkablues on April 08, 2017, 01:13:57 PM
I also hate Lost finale, love Leftovers. I'm pretty sure RK is the first person I've ever heard express dissatisfaction with The Leftovers.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 08, 2017, 01:30:05 PM
Quote from: polkablues on April 08, 2017, 01:13:57 PM
I'm pretty sure RK is the first person I've ever heard express dissatisfaction with The Leftovers.

I know plenty of people that also dislike The Leftovers, but here's the deal, I'm still going to finish watching it.
The last episode of last season cemented that this is more Lost to come and it was infuriating and I threw my hands into the air and yelled "That's it! I'm out!", but here I am, ready for season three.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 03, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
Evangeline Lilly in a recent interview (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/evangeline-lilly-antman-2-the-wasp-lost-kate-austen-interview-nude-scenes-a8471791.html):


Quote"In season 3, I'd had a bad experience on set with being basically cornered into doing a scene partially naked, and I felt I had no choice in the matter," she tells me. "I was mortified and I was trembling, and when it finished I was crying my eyes out and had to go on and do another very formidable and strong scene immediately after."

She continues: "So in season 4, another scene came up where Kate was undressing and I fought very hard to have that scene be under my control, and I failed to control it again. So, I said. 'That's it – no more. You can write whatever you want, I won't do it. I will never take my clothes off on this show again' – and I didn't."

The first nude scene she's referring to is unfortunately in "I Do" (305), one of my very favorite episodes of Lost, which I talked about several times on the last 2 pages. Kate basically has a nude sex scene with Sawyer in a cage, which is definitely the type of thing that should require the actress's full consent.

I'm actually not sure what the season 4 scene is.

There was a joint response statement by Abrams, Lindelof, Bender, and Cuse:

QuoteOur response to Evie's comments this morning in the media was to immediately reach out to her to profoundly apologise for the experience she detailed while working on LOST. We have not yet connected with her, but remain deeply and sincerely sorry. No person should ever feel unsafe at work. Period.

Equally illuminating are Evangeline Lilly's problems with Kate's character, which I have to say are kind of hard to disagree with:

Quote"I always thought she was obnoxious," she says. "Not at the beginning – at the beginning, she was kind of cool. But as the show went on, I thought she became more and more predictable. I felt that my character went from being autonomous – really having her own story, journey and agendas – to chasing two men around the island. That irritated the shit out of me."

Quote"I wanted her to be better because she was an icon for strength and for women. I think I tried very hard to take what I was given and always find the way to show that strength, to have her own thoughts and to take moments I thought might be quite whiny and somehow make them... not whiny."

Quote"I'm not opposed to having romance in a woman's life. I'm one of those people who has never been able to be single, so there's nothing wrong with women's lives being characterised by their relationships. But there was this eventual lack of dimension to what was going on with her. It was just [mock gasps] 'Jack!" "Sawyer!'"

I've always strongly felt that Jack & Kate only really work because of those actors, and this seems to further validate that view.

It is too bad that Kate didn't get more to do in the show. She never quite became the heroic figure that might have been. Her best scenes and moments usually took place off-island, peaking in Season 4 I would say.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 13, 2019, 12:53:35 PM
One of the Game of Thrones podcasts (A Storm of Spoilers) has now become a Lost rewatch podcast: The Storm (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-storm-a-lost-rewatch-podcast/id952917333). It's pretty excellent, thanks to Joanna Robinson, who is great.

They just reviewed 106 - House of the Rising Sun. I rated this as the second-worst episode of all time and said this: "Garbage writing. Ultra-cringey dialogue prematurely suggesting a Kate/Jack romance. Sun's flashbacks are cliche-ridden. The watch plot is nonsensical."

So what did these podcasters have to say about 106? "Such a great episode," said one co-host. But when they started to talk about the actual scenes, they could not manage to find any particular merits, and it was mostly a discussion through gritted teeth about cringey moments. Okay, but it's "such a great episode"?

It seems like people have an affection for early Lost that's rooted in nostalgia. But oh boy, some of those episodes are just objectively bad. I'm very curious to see what they think of 114 - Special, which I have as the worst episode of the series.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: polkablues on June 14, 2019, 03:44:30 AM
"Stranger in a Strange Land" is the worst episode of Lost, and I'll entertain no arguments to the contrary.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 14, 2019, 10:33:57 AM
Here's my argument to the contrary (from my rewatch notes):

The flashback is pointless. The island stuff is more than passable, though. Not the sharpest episode, but hardly the worst ever, as many believe. It benefits from Matthew Fox's full commitment.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on September 24, 2019, 05:24:30 PM
Turns out electromagnetism does in fact have real healing powers...

Alzheimer's memory loss reversed by new head device using electromagnetic waves (https://neurosciencenews.com/alzheimers-memory-electromagnetic-waves-14920/)
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 20, 2021, 02:11:41 AM
I'm watching Season 6 along with The Storm (https://www.stormpodcast.com/) and discovered that sideways-Alex cheerfully sports a confederate flag on her backpack. About to find out if they mention this in the podcast ep.

(Worth noting that she's an enthusiastic member of the history club, but still...)

Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on June 20, 2021, 01:42:23 PM
They mentioned it and were equally weirded out.

Although... I'd like to believe Alex wears that patch solely as a history-nerd-conversation-starter so she can "well actually" people about how the confederate battle flag is not technically the flag of the Confederate States of America.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Drenk on June 20, 2021, 02:35:15 PM
Maybe she's a Kanye West fan:

(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F20%2F2013%2F11%2Fkanye-west-300-9.jpg&q=85)
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on August 28, 2021, 02:22:16 AM
I finished the rewatch of Season 6...

I will never understand why people hate the finale—I sincerely think it's the best episode of television of all time. HOWEVER, I now have a much better understanding of people's complaints with the season in general.

Lost is a genre nesting doll. At first it's a mystery adventure show. Then that layer cracks, and you realize it's actually science fiction, with time travel and everything. There's even a physicist! But when he dies, so does the science, and Lost reveals what it truly is at its core—a full-blown mythic fantasy story. There's a reason Faraday is dead; he wouldn't have a scientific explanation for the cork, and we wouldn't want him to.

That genre trajectory happened to be exactly what I wanted. But I can only imagine the disappointment of fans who were not on board for it.

Damon & Carlton were always vocal about closing the show with a focus on characters. That's consistently true in the flash-sideways, but on-island... actually not so much. In fact, the character work is the weakness of the island story. Sun is probably let down the most. Notable missed opportunities: Dogen, Ilana and crew, and Sayid. Saywer has no character movement past 604. And Zoe... just why?

It never made sense to me that Jin sort of suicides. I mean yes, technically, oxygen was limited, and Jin sacrificed himself to let Jack escape with the unconscious Hurley. So Jin's attempt to unstuck Sun was already a bit of a long-shot in terms of either of them surviving. But emotionally, the scene still reads as Jin deciding to die so he can be with Sun in her final moments and they can drown together Titanic-style. This seems like a clear case of the performance (and a poor directing choice?) overriding what might've been a good scene.

"Across The Sea" is less bothersome every time I watch it. Allison Janney is still awful, though—her midwestern-accent Latin is the apex of cringe.

The fantasy aspects are so strong for me that they sort of blast through all of that. I appreciate Season 6 for its highs—the highest highs of the series, in my opinion—and I can very easily overlook the lows. LAX, Lighthouse, Ab Aeterno, Happily Ever After, What They Died For, and the finale... this is what LOST is all about.

The finale—and most of Season 6, really—was pretty much carried by Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly. I know it's an uninteresting take, but I think it's true. They were the MVPs from the beginning. I always think back to their scene in 306 when Kate visits Jack's glass cell and pleads with him. Absolutely explosive.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: WorldForgot on August 28, 2021, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on August 28, 2021, 02:22:16 AM
I finished the rewatch of Season 6...

"Across The Sea" is less bothersome every time I watch it. Allison Janney is still awful, though—her midwestern-accent Latin is the apex of cringe.
:lol:

In the first three seasons, even four maybe, the ensemble is playing off scripts that are as good as what Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly work with 'til the end.

But for sure, the ensemble itself starts to feel like a grabbag of quality near the end that I think might have tainted the finale for people who had latched onto the concept of lore being what ought to satisfy.
Title: Re: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 27, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
Evangeline Lily attended the anti-vax-mandate rally in DC and spoke out against mandates: "This is not safe. This is not healthy."

And apparently she's been COVID-skeptical since the beginning.

Evangeline Lilly apologizes after refusing to self-quarantine amid coronavirus pandemic (https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/03/26/coronavirus-evangeline-lilly-apologizes-refusing-self-quarantine/2923169001/)

She posted a lot of "anti-hysteria" & "pro-freedom" content at the beginning of the pandemic (March 2020), but it's too depressing to include here.