DC Comics editor Bob Greenberger was on hand for a panel discussion and dished a little bit about the Batman movie franchise. the editor stated that the much-rumored new script, Batman: The Frightening is now the most viable candidate for the next Batman movie. As has been previously reported, the story involves the villain known as The Scarecrow.
Greenberger reportedly told the crowd that Aronofsky's Year One project is "gone." However, The Xenos tells us that Greenberger also admitted that Frank Miller may still be working on either Year One or The Frightening. Finally, with regards to Batman, the editor cautioned that things are in the early stages and nothing is ever final.
yikes. macguffin, what's his latest official project that's in the works now?
Again we have conflicting reports, sphinx:
Source: Batman-On-Film
Two BATMAN 5 reports
Monday, January 6, 2003: (From AIN'T IT COOL NEWS and SUPERHERO HYPE) First of all, Happy New Year to all you BOF readers. OK, let me preface that I have heard nothing in a while in regards to Batman, on film. Just the same 'ol stuff--there is going to be another Bat-film, WB is weighing their options, yada, yada, yada. Today, two Bat-reports surfaced, one old, and one new. The new one first. SUPERHERO HYPE is reporting that a script titled BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT has emerged with a writers initials being "SRW." Uh, ok. Now the other one is from our pals at AIN'T IT COOL NEWS with basically just another run of that BATMAN: THE FRIGHTENING rumor. Nothing new there that we haven't heard before. An interesting point made by "Moriarty" is that he found it hard to believe that a script could be written by such well-known writers no one really hearing anything about it in the "biz." Take both with a grain of salt. That's it. If you want to read more, take the links over to the appropriate site. Let me remind you all that in Alan Horn's last comments about the Bat-franchise, he said he wanted to do an origin film first. I have heard that WB would most likely commision additional scripts besides YEAR ONE, perhaps this DARK KNIGHT script--if even real--is alternative Bat-origin flick.
BATMAN: THE FRIGHTENING is BS?
Saturday, January 11, 2003: I got a couple of reports this past week in regards to this BATMAN: THE FRIGHTENING news that has been making the rounds. All 3 sources who I had had put inquiries to about this rumor have responding with the same answer: It's BS. They again say that WB intends to make another Bat-film and the studio will turn it's attention towards Bruce Wayne once the SUPERMAN film is off and running. And again it was mentioned that there are other potential Bat-flicks in the works besides YEAR ONE and BATMAN vs. SUPERMAN--and they are most likely "origin" scripts. Anyway, that is that. Perhaps more concrete word will break soon on the status of the Bat-franchise at WB.
BATMAN: THE FRIGHTENING is BS, part II
Thursday, January 16, 2003: (From COMICS 2 Film) BOF told you last week that three separate sources indicated that the BATMAN: THE FRIGHTENING rumors were BS. Well, our friends at COMICS 2 FILM did some investegating of their own and came up with the same thing. He is a bit of what Rob Worley and company reported:
"Comics2Film contacted some official sources to see if there was any truth to the report. A representative for Rafael Yglesias told C2F that they had not seen such a script or set up any deals with their client involving a Batman film."
Further proof for ya'll that this is nothing but BS.
I really want Year One though... even if Aaronofsky doesn't do it... though that would be best.
i'll get you one day, macguffin
Quote from: sphinxyikes. macguffin, what's his latest official project that's in the works now?
As for Darren, I haven't found anything to confirm or deny him being off Batman. But if he is off it, I found this interview dated Nov. 07, 2000 that might be some indication of his next project:
The 31-year-old Aronofsky says he's also working on his own original science fiction movie. "That's my passion piece," he says. "Along with Batman, it's an opportunity to push two cool projects forward. We'll see [which film gets made first]."
For his own sci-fi feature, the writer-director began more than a year ago, when he sat down and asked himself, "What do you do after The Matrix?"
After all, as Aronofsky says of that film, "The Matrix drew on all the major science fiction themes of the 20th century ... and all the cool classics like ... Philip K. Dick and The Stars Are My Destination."
Without going into specifics, Aronofsky says his movie is "the most ambitious thing I've done to date and the biggest challenge. It's probably the [most] metaphysical science fiction film; it uses religion, spirituality, and science."
As for Batman, Aronofsky says, "I'll only do [it] if I believe in it and can make a good movie out of it."
Also, did anyone know about this? It was released in Oct. of 2002:
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Wow, I feel bad for Aronofksy, he has nothing going. How disapointing the wait we have to endure between so many directors films.
Is that project he was talking about in that article The Fountain?
no, i think the fountain got fucked over by brad pitt, i believe it's a completely different project.
Quote from: sphinxno, i think the fountain got fucked over by brad pitt, i believe it's a completely different project.
but that article was dated 2000... before they even started filming...
and Aaronofsky was pretty upset about Pitt leaving, talking about how great his project was going to be.
That was The Fountain. I read a bunch of interviews in which he described it in the same way- very metaphysical. Before Pitt was attached, he said he did need a big star in the lead because it was very weird and different for mainstream.
The Fountain is still on, according to Entertainment Weekly.
Warners just sort of delayed it to get Troy out.
Brad'll be back, which'll be great, I think.
Quote from: JonThe Fountain is still on, according to Entertainment Weekly.
Warners just sort of delayed it to get Troy out.
Brad'll be back, which'll be great, I think.
Show me where it says that
Quote from: JonThe Fountain is still on, according to Entertainment Weekly.
Warners just sort of delayed it to get Troy out.
Brad'll be back, which'll be great, I think.
If this is true, it's great news
The last report in EW about The Fountain (that I found):
Rocky 'Fountain' News
by Scott Brown Allison Hope Weiner
09/20/02
Sometimes, a Pitt stop proves fatal. Darren Aronofsky's The Fountain -- a dark, sci-fi mind-bender budgeted at $72 million -- was officially shut down Sept. 9 after a weekend summit between the Requiem for a Dream auteur and star Brad Pitt failed to persuade the actor to stay on the project, due to begin shooting in October with costars Cate Blanchett and Ellen Burstyn. Rumors had been flying for more than a week that Pitt wanted to split because he reportedly had gut-level reservations about the latest version of Aronofsky's script, linking three time periods centuries apart. Industry sources confirm that the latest draft was extremely challenging -- no surprise to fans of Aronofsky, who first emerged with the 1998 low-budget mathematician thriller pi.
The Warner Bros. film was in preproduction in Australia, where many sets had already been constructed. Sources close to the production say the movie may be revived in six months to two years with another A-list actor. (Russell Crowe's name has been bandied about, though the Oscar winner's reps had no comment.) But Aronofsky won't be idle in the interim -- insiders say he's weighing four new offers. Meanwhile, Pitt's reps won't comment on reports that he fled The Fountain for a more lucrative role -- Achilles in Wolfgang Petersen's period epic Troy, for which he would receive his full $17.5 million price tag, as opposed to the bargain Fountain fee of $2 million to $6 million.
Despite the withdrawal, Pitt's publicist says that at press time the star was still sporting the shaggy Rip Van Winkle beard he grew specifically for Aronofsky's film. Perhaps he could jump-start that long-awaited ZZ Top biopic.
his chin was squeaky clean at the golden globes, though....
Hey, wouldn't PTA make a good Batman?
Hell yeah. I think it'd be fucking hilarious. Imagine the camp of the 60s series, with the quality of the Burton pic.
Quote from: tremoloslothHey, wouldn't PTA make a good Batman?
no. hes not right for everything,
although JCR would have made a great robin
as for the aronofsky batman things... :roll: im over it
No you guys. I'm talking about PTA as Batman
He looks like a skinny Bruce Wayne
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"What's that you say, Commissioner Gordon?"
Quote from: tremoloslothI'm talking about PTA as batman
batman:
joker, you cocksucker! you goddamn cocksucker! fuck, fuck, fuck, robin c'here, shit, yknow, go and stop him!
robin:
what, there's-- i hate it when people give me... fucking orders
batman:
no, yeah, im not telling you what to do or anything--
robin:
oh, no hey, i wasnt talking about you--
batman:
im sorry, im sorry... i--
robin
what, no i was talking about... other people, i guess
batman:
yeah, shit
EXTREMELY QUICK ZOOM IN/DOLLY IN ON ROBIN
robin:
fuck it, lets dance
I love it
Batman-On-Film got a head's up on an interesting book by David Hughes titled TALES FROM DEVELOPMENT HELL that features the details of the Aronofsky/Miller BATMAN: YEAR ONE project. And I you'll clearly see why WB did not go with this screenplay....
*Bruce Wayne is stripped of his status as "heir apparent" to the Wayne fortunes. Instead he is found in the streets after his parents murder, and is taken in by "Big Al" who runs a auto repair shop with his son.
*While working at the repair shop, he watches the coming and goings of pimps, johns and corrupt cops at a sleazy cathouse across the street., while a chain -smoking James Gordon struggles with corruption he finds throughout the Gotham City police force.
*At first, he disguises himself wearing a cape and hockey mask. However, the costume evolves with both form and function, and Wayne acquires a variety of makeshift gadgets and weapons. Bruce, reconfigures a black Lincoln Continental into a make shift 'Bat-Mobile'- complete with blacked out windows, night vision driving goggles, armoured bumpers and a super charged school bus engine.
*In his new guise as "The Batman," Bruce Wayne wages war on criminals from street level and up the food chain to a Commissioner Loeb and Mayor Noone--as the executors of the Wayne estate search for the missing heir.
*In the end Bruce accepts his dual destiny as heir to the Wayne fortune and the city's saviour, and Gordon comes to accept that, while he may not agree with The Batman's methods, he cannot argue with the results.
*The comic and the script have many scenes in common--including Bruce Wayne's nihilistic narration, a heroic Gordon saving a baby from a hostage crisis, Selina as proto-Catwoman, the beating Gordon receives from his fellow cops as a warning to give up his war on corruption, his suspicion that Harvey Dent is The Batman, and the climatic battle in the tenement building.
Could the Y1 script review that showed up online a few years ago--that featured a "Jive-talking Alfred"--actually have had a bit of truth to it? As was said earlier, it is obvious just why WB never gave the greenlight to the script. It went too far away from the traditional Bat-mythos, while David Goyer and Chris Nolan nailed it. Thus, they got the gig rather quickly as opposed to Aronofsky, Miller and their Y1 floundering in "development hell" for years.
That sounded like the worst fuck-up of Batman ever. I'm glad this never got made.
How do these guys go from being young nobodys like us, who have dreams of someday getting the money and power to make a great comic book movie or proper remake or adapt a book, to becoming retards who wanna change/destroy everything that made the project good in the first place???
Quote from: SoNowThenThat sounded like the worst fuck-up of Batman ever.
Make that the
second worst fuck-up of Batman ever.
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I stand extremely well-corrected.
I had purged the JS directed days out of my head, because of the trauma. Though, seeing Uma's hot ass in tights almost saved the film...
Quote from: SoNowThenI'm glad this never got made.
Same here. Sounds like the script messed up the entire story, like the new Catwoman movie seems to be doing. Thank goodness Nolan took over and that the new production seems to be taking the right steps. I'm so happy they didn't green-light that horrible script. Batman taken in by 'Big Al'? Comon! :roll:
I don't think it sounds that bad -- except for the whole Bruce-being-turned-to-the-streets thing, it sounds exactly like the Frank Miller comic of Batman: Year One, which was amazing. With Arronofsky behind it, and with his admonition that he wanted it to be a 70s, French Connection style film, I think it would have been great.
That said, I'm glad the Nolan one is being made instead, because I bet it'll be closer to a definitive Batman, rather than a genius auteur's interpretation of Batman (a la Batman Returns).
This is blasphemy to comic lovers, but imo, Miller ruins just as many good comics as he saves. He tanked WildCATs big-time, back when it used to be my favorite comic...
Quote from: GhostboyI don't think it sounds that bad -- except for the whole Bruce-being-turned-to-the-streets thing, it sounds exactly like the Frank Miller comic of Batman: Year One, which was amazing.
Well, some things seem to be inspired by Batman: Year One, but missing some key elements to the entire Batman story (where's Alfred?). The whole 'missing heir' thing just seemed silly. I would have loved to see Batman: Year One hit the screen, but not with key elements changed or missing. That would be insulting to the comic fans.
Source: Batman-On-Film
Remember all of that talk a while back about the Darren Aronofsky/Frank Miller YEAR ONE project? Well it is all true. While certainly unique and different, Warner Bros. made the right decision in not greenlighting this project. (MacGuffin's Note: See Page 3 for more info)
Batman: Year One Script Review by LSOK from DC-ON-FILM.COM
Before Batman Begins started to take shape, WB were looking at various ways to revive the Batman franchise: Batman Beyond had a script commissioned, Batman vs. Superman was this close to happening, and Batman: Year One, originally pitched to the studio by Joel Schumacher (in what surely must have been a "forgive me, I can do it right this time!" plea), ended up being developed by Darren Aronofsky and Frank Miller. Here's my review of the script that was born from the Year One project. Originally, Aronofsky pitched a Dark Knight Returns-style story with Clint Eastwood as Batman and wanted to shoot the movie in Tokyo. Sounds crazy, I know! If you don't believe me check out David Hughes' Comic Book Movies where Aronofsky talks briefly about the project.
Batman: Year One starts with Bruce Wayne awakening from a nightmare, yelling, screaming, asking his dead father for guidance. Bruce doesn't live in Wayne Manor; he lives in an apartment above an automobile garage. He has done since he was a child, he was taken in by Big Al after fleeing the scene of his parents' murder and now lives and works in the garage. Big Al is no longer around, his son, Little Al (who is set up to take the "Alfred" role) has acted as a father figure to Bruce.
This Bruce (mid-twenties) is angry; he needs some outlet, some way of channeling his rage. Little Al worries about him, he tells Bruce to go out and live a little, try and find a girlfriend. He knows Bruce is emotionally disturbed but can't find a way to help him. Like the comic, Wayne narrates through voice-over. The story switches between Wayne and Gordon (who is the only straight cop in Gotham). Gordon, though not nearly as disturbed as Bruce, is pretty messed up. There are two scenes where we see him sat on his bathroom toilet contemplating blowing his head off – the second time he loads the gun and shoves the barrel into his mouth, only to be stopped when his wife, Ann, comes home to their apartment.
Bruce is inspired into action by a TV news report where Gordon declares a "War on Crime" after rescuing a child taken hostage by a crazy guy on the roof of a Dutton Heights apartment. Bruce has some clumsy attempts at crime fighting. Across the street from the garage "Mistress Selina" (black, 5'9", 21 and stunning) resides in a whorehouse. Flass and his partner Campbell take a bribe from Selina's pimp, Chi-Chi. Campbell, however, wants a little more and breaks into Selina's apartment to force himself on her – Bruce intervenes only to be knocked unconscious by a baseball bat wielding Selina who then turns on Campbell. When the police arrive Bruce wakes up to see Campbell dead and Selina gone. He then gets out before the police have a chance to arrest him. Bruce, believing Selina has killed Campbell (it was really Chi-Chi) wants to find her as, and this is one of the few traditional parts of the Batman mythos kept completely intact, "Murder is not allowed."
Bruce begins his assault on the Gotham underworld. Starting with the lowly pimps and working his way to the very top with Police Commissioner Loeb and Mayor Noone. He hones a disguise, going from a scar on his cheek, to a makeshift hockey mask and cape. Little Al hands him his father's signet ring. An intertwined "T" and "W" is engraved on it. Wearing this on his crime fighting exploits, Bruce's fists hammer the ring into the flesh of criminals, leaving a bat shaped indentation. He's dubbed "The Bat-Man" and his disguise evolves into a more familiar look. Finding an abandoned underground rail system under Little Al's garage, Bruce turns it into his Batcave and modifies a Lincoln Continental to act as his Batmobile.
Gordon, who is equally determined to clean up Gotham, finds himself running into brick walls. Loeb, his boss, basically controls organized crime in Gotham. Gordon is seething when he sees Loeb with super-pimp Emilio Estrada in one of Gotham's fanciest restaurants. His wife, with a baby on the way, begins to worry about their future and Gordon's application for a transfer is unsuccessful, instead he's assigned to "The Bat-Man" case. Biting his tongue, but going along with it anyway, we see Gordon going to Arkham Asylum to talk to a specialist about The Bat-Man. This is really just an excuse to give us a glimpse of the Joker and be told that whoever Batman is, his problem started when he was a small boy. We also get to see Gordon interact with Assistant District Attorney Harvey Dent, Gordon suspects he's Batman – these scenes are played close to the comic with Dent finding the concept laughable.
The parts where Batman is in action are definitely the most entertaining parts of Year One. On an early venture he's backed into the ladies' bathroom of a seedy club called The Comet Lounge. Using knowledge he's gained from reading The Anarchist Cookbook he concocts explosives from cleaning fluid and blows the place up. We have him escaping a SWAT team in an old apartment building and in the finale he confronts Loeb and shoves a pen through his eye blinding him (ouch!). We also get a scene that's practically lifted from the end of the comic, where an unmasked Batman and a glasses-less Gordon share an exchange that pretty much seals their future alliance.
Year One ends with Wayne reclaiming his fortune – the heir to the empire had 15 years to show up or Wayne Industries would've been handed over to majority shareholders – his signet ring is his inheritance from his father, something Thomas handed young Bruce as he was bleeding to death outside the movie theatre. We also get a glimpse of Selina as Catwoman (now a fully-fledged cat burglar) as she steals a priceless oil painting from a Gotham penthouse.
While I am massive fan of both Darren Aronofsky and Frank Miller's work I feel that both have completely missed the mark with this script. I have always preferred Miller's Year One to his Dark Knight Returns. Year One's beauty is in it's simplicity, and while Dark Knight Returns is to Batman what Unforgiven was to the Western I felt it was very much a product of it's time. A cynical Batman for a cynical decade. Year One was written as canon and DKR was an excellent "What If?" tale that DC have tried to separate from what they perceive as the "real" Batman. This Year One adaptation, while taking many scenes straight from the source somehow feels totally different. The violence is extreme and at times slightly gratuitous. It is easy to see why WB wouldn't pull the trigger on this – they would never be able to market a movie like this to the mainstream audience, there'd be no "sex dungeon Selina" action figure or "Loeb with a pen jabbed in his eye" lunchbox. While Chris Nolan's movie is about realism, Aronofsky's vision is closer to the mark in terms of reality. No costumed bad guys, no PG violence, just a gritty and very dark vigilante tale. It's almost Death Wish in a Batsuit.
For me, where this script fails is where Batman Begins succeeds. I was never able to feel any kind of connection with this Bruce Wayne. I've always been interested in the hero myth, how we perceive heroes in both fact and fiction. Batman (along with Superman) is probably one of the most iconic hero myths of our time. Year One's Batman is more coward than hero. The real hero is James Gordon; he's the guy we root for, he goes against everyone to stand up for what he believes in. He takes action, just like Begins' Wayne, who travels the world looking for answers before realizing he has to look to himself to become the man that was born the night his parents were murdered. Aronofsky and Miller's Wayne wants the answers given to him on a plate. There is no inner journey, something all true heroes make – just the desire to beat the crap out of criminals fulfilled. This "Bat-Man" (and he's never referred to as "Batman") seems to act for selfish reasons instead of for the good of Gotham.
I think Aronofsky was trying to create a contemporary American classic in the vein of Taxi Driver or The French Connection but blending it with the Batman mythos. However, his take really strays too far from our perceptions of Batman. David Goyer put the failure of Batman & Robin down to the fact it wasn't in touch with the Batman zeitgeist of the time. Batman: Year One would've failed for similar reasons – it's got more in common with the gritty crime thrillers of the 70s and 80s than it does with Batman. The lead character is pretty much impossible to empathize with and our only emotional way in to this story is through Jim Gordon. I don't know about you but I don't want to see a Jim Gordon movie, I want to see Batman, and a Batman that isn't Travis Bickle.
I know WB didn't like this script at all and I certainly feel the better interpretation of Batman is the one that's making it to the silver screen – it's probably worth realizing that this movie off the back of Batman & Robin would have pretty much buried the Batman franchise completely. If Schumacher's last effort was the final nail in the coffin then Year One would've been the crazy guy who stormed the graveyard, dug up the coffin and put a bullet through the franchise's corpse just to make sure. Batman: Year One is what happens when you hire a filmmaker who is all too willing to ignore the history of an iconic character in order to accomplish his vision.
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Aronofsky on YEAR ONE & BEGINS
Source: Jett; Batman-On-Film
Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 5:18 PM CENTRAL TIME: I wanted to post this in the news since a lot of y'all didn't catch it in my SDCC 2006 section. I had the honor of meeting director Darren Aronofsky, who was once developing a BATMAN project himself with Frank Miller titled YEAR ONE.
Now, I was a tad hard on both of these guys when I REVIEWED THE SCRIPT and I still think it wouldn't have worked as a "Batman film." And guess what, Darren agreed -- sort of. "It was so violent," he told me at Comic Con. "I knew it was never going to get green lighted, but we were going 180 [from the last BATMAN] movie" he told me.
The following is a bit of what I said in my script review:
"Let me make this clear - YEAR ONE is a quality, well-written script, and I enjoyed reading it. I do understand why many Bat-fans like it. It would make a hell of a film - it just shouldn't be a 'Batman' film."
I guess I really didn't hammer it as hard as I thought.
While he was there to promote THE FOUNTAIN (which I had the honor to screen) and I did tell him my thoughts of it (My review will be out in October -- go see it), I had to ask him about BATMAN BEGINS. "Loved it," he informed me, "Chris [Nolan] did a hell of a job."