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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: thedog on May 06, 2003, 10:41:14 PM

Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: thedog on May 06, 2003, 10:41:14 PM
We all know that the directing style of PT Anderson is really comparable to that of Martin Scorsese. Especially when viewing Boogie Nights after just watching Goodfellas and/or Casino.

Well it seems if a lot of haters like to hold that against PT Anderson. PT Anderson has even admitted to being heavily influenced by Scorsese and I really don't think that's a bad thing at all. After all, Scorsese has roots and influences. Every director is influenced by other directors. What's the big deal?

But anyway, does anyone happen to know what Martin Scorsese actually thinks of PTA's work? Boogie Nights in particular? I know that recently Martin Scorsese had named Wes Anderson his favorite of the "new generation" of filmmakers. And knowing Marty, it seems like he would be proud to see a filmmaker take so heavily after him. But does anyone know for sure?

Thanks.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: Duck Sauce on May 06, 2003, 11:51:51 PM
Maybe he is pissed off because IMO PTA out-scorsesed Scorsese... but i find that hard to imagine. There needs to be a spot (redirect me if there is) where you can read what other directors have said about PTA.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: The Silver Bullet on May 07, 2003, 01:01:51 AM
QuotePTA out-scorsesed Scorsese...
Nyeh. No he didn't.

I know you added an IMO, but it rendered this reply pointless, so I didn't quote it.

:-D
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 07, 2003, 01:16:10 AM
i think people are making much too much about the Goodfellas boogie nights connection

i think martie set the standard of what a bio should  be like, and now all good bios should follow it.

And of course add to it in your own funky fashion, which Pta did .

Think of how great Ali would of been had it followed this path.

Its like this chuck berry created the mold and the stones just added to it

stealing is one thing BN Is something different , Ive seen cheap rip offs and BN Was not one .

And plus he took ideas from all over the place and added it to the mix

But the one thing he brought to it on his own was heart , i know that sounds corny but its so fucking true. He looked back at that era with such nostalga. He put in little details that a shallow fuck would not notice . The hair styles, the clothes, the way the homes looked.


Lets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites  song .
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MacGuffin on May 07, 2003, 02:05:01 AM
PLAYBOY: That happened around the time of Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate, which almost bankrupted a studio. Have you seen the power shift from auteurs to stars?

SCORSESE: It was a horrible thing for me and guys like Mike Cimino. It's all gone now and a lot of people who were involved then are gone. But in the case of Cimino, it was also the critics who helped destroy the cinema of the director, the way they attacked Heaven's Gate. The honeymoon was over.

PLAYBOY: Now the tide is moving in the opposite direction. Studios are less interested in giving big bucks to actors to make derivative blockbusters.

SCORSESE: That may be a good thing. Maybe it can come back the other way. Take some of these young directors, like Alexander Payne, Wes Anderson, Paul Thomas Anderson, Chris Nolan, Peter Jackson and Baz Luhrmann. Maybe this group can bring it back. I hope they can get their budgets and use them wisely. Because some of us didn't.

Entire interview here. (http://www.shell.linux.se/treggy88/Leo/gony/playboy2002.html)
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Scorsese says he got the idea for putting John C. Reilly in the epic "GangsOf New York" during one of his cineaste binges watching all of director Paul Thomas Anderson's movies on DVD. It was Anderson, who met Reilly in 1995 at a Sundance filmmakers' lab, who featured Reilly in 1997's "Hard Eight" and "Boogie Nights" and in 1999's "Magnolia."
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: Marty McSuperfly on May 07, 2003, 04:04:50 AM
Quote from: Duck SauceThere needs to be a spot (redirect me if there is) where you can read what other directors have said about PTA.

Here's a few directors talking about Paul.

PAUL SCHRADER: "There's a lot of crap, though not everything is crap. There are still good things, very few, but some. I like some filmmakers, like Paul Thomas Anderson ("Magnolia"), he's achieved to make a good movie in Hollywood."

STEVEN SPIELBERG: "You know, Paul Thomas Anderson, one of the most brilliant young directors working today - brilliant just absolutely brilliant - would never get hired to do a four camera shoot for Will and Grace.  Never.  They just wouldn't do it.  He'd get fired before they even turned on the cameras."

JOHN CARPENTER: "I really like Paul Thomas Anderson a lot. I think he's really good. Damn, is he good! Amazingly good! He really has command of narrative. Visual narrative. Really interesting. That's one example. I love his films. Even though I don't have any connection with what's going on on the screen, he makes me."

Anyone know any more?
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: The Silver Bullet on May 07, 2003, 04:19:43 AM
QuoteLets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites song.
No, let's put it this way. If you weren't the prentious "don't need to go to film school" douchebag you are, you would have realised that film school works for some people, doesn't work for others, and that your comment was childish and pathetic at best.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: jasper_window on May 07, 2003, 08:07:38 AM
De Palma mentioned he loved Magnolia.  I don't have an exact quote though.  Although he's influenced by Scorses, he's influenced by alot of directors.  Demme, Altman, Downey Sr., Truffaut...
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 07, 2003, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Silver Bullet
QuoteLets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites song.
No, let's put it this way. If you weren't the prentious "don't need to go to film school" douchebag you are, you would have realised that film school works for some people, doesn't work for others, and that your comment was childish and pathetic at best.

Well said Bullet.  
Scorsese went to film school. Douchebag? Look who the douchebag is now..... :roll:
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: SoNowThen on May 07, 2003, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: Butterscotch Jonesi think people are making much too much about the Goodfellas boogie nights connection

i think martie set the standard of what a bio should  be like, and now all good bios should follow it.

And of course add to it in your own funky fashion, which Pta did .

Think of how great Ali would of been had it followed this path.

Its like this chuck berry created the mold and the stones just added to it

stealing is one thing BN Is something different , Ive seen cheap rip offs and BN Was not one .

And plus he took ideas from all over the place and added it to the mix

But the one thing he brought to it on his own was heart , i know that sounds corny but its so fucking true. He looked back at that era with such nostalga. He put in little details that a shallow fuck would not notice . The hair styles, the clothes, the way the homes looked.


Lets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites  song .


Yes yes yes. Perfect. Thank you. I couldn't have put it any better. Especially the last part. Way to go, BJ.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 07, 2003, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: The Silver Bullet
QuotePTA out-scorsesed Scorsese...
Nyeh. No he didn't.

I hate to go this route, but why don't you say why instead of treating Duck Sauce like a naive scumbag.

Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 07, 2003, 02:49:55 PM
Just sick of that pre-school 'I'm right, you're wrong' attitude.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: Sleuth on May 07, 2003, 02:52:35 PM
What about the Raging Bull/ Boogie Nights connection (mirror scenes).  That's clearly an homage, not saying I don't like it, I'm just bringing it up because nobody else has
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 07, 2003, 04:58:50 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.

it's actualy 98 billion not 99 -- im right youre wrong.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 07, 2003, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.

it's actualy 98 billion not 99 -- im right youre wrong.

98 billion, 99 billion, what's the difference?
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 07, 2003, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.

it's actualy 98 billion not 99 -- im right youre wrong.

98 billion, 99 billion, what's the difference?

a billion is a big difference. do you think theres a big difference between 0 dollars and a billion dollars -- why dont get your facts straight before you claim to be the burger expert  -- id never trust a morsel of food that came from your spatula.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 07, 2003, 06:01:38 PM
First I wanted to get one thing straight. I hate McDonalds. You have to have some standards in this life, and McDonalds is not a standard anyone should have. If I had a choice, I'd go get a job at McDonalds as a cook. I want to personally be the downfall of McDonalds. I plan on becoming a chef and putting a live rat into a Big Mac. When the lucky customer who eats the live rat sues McDonalds for billions, they will go out of business. Mission accomplished.

As for your analogy, you're wrong.. that's all there is to it.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 07, 2003, 06:09:39 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKingFirst I wanted to get one thing straight. I hate McDonalds. You have to have some standards in this life, and McDonalds is not a standard anyone should have. If I had a choice, I'd go get a job at McDonalds as a cook. I want to personally be the downfall of McDonalds. I plan on becoming a chef and putting a live rat into a Big Mac. When the lucky customer who eats the live rat sues McDonalds for billions, they will go out of business. Mission accomplished.

As for your analogy, you're wrong.. that's all there is to it.

hey, lets not step on anyone toes here. im just trying to help you get your facts straight -- if you slip up on simple buirger facts, people are going to start to question your authority -- i dont want that to happen. question hot shot -- there is a rambunxious line of cars escalating at the driver through window -- the burgers on the grill are burning, the oil in the fryer is overflowing -- do you rush the food? this will obviosly lower the quality of the burgers... do you take your sweet time and let those angry patrons at the drive through window bake in thier car, so you can  make "the perfect burger" ? what do you do hot shot, what do you do?
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 07, 2003, 06:19:47 PM
Hmm.. Let's face it though, if you're going to eat at McDonalds, you're not looking for quality. As a McDonalds worker, I'd take my sweet time making those cheeseburgers (As the anti-christ of McDonalds, I'd need to make them wait and delay the clogging of their arteries). Let's say I'm working at Burger King though, I'd try and find some middle ground between rushing and quality. Maybe I wouldn't fine tune their order (ie - putting the traditional one french fry in an order of onion rings, and one onion ring in an order of french fries), but I'd make sure it gets done in a reasonable amount of time with good quality.

Imagine though, a huge line at the drive-through. I'd tell a good friend (and fellow McDonalds hater) to order a meal through the drive-through, and drive away afterwords without paying or getting the food. Now guess what... everybody's order in the drive-through is going to be the person in front of them's order. That'll really F McDonalds. Imagine 10-20 cars coming back to complain that their order was wrong.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: cowboykurtis on May 07, 2003, 06:46:27 PM
i havent eaten fast food in 2 years -- but i must say, i'd take a whopper over a big mac any day of the week.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MrBurgerKing on May 07, 2003, 06:55:17 PM
Why though? (not why do you prefer the whopper.. that is a given. I think most people prefer the whopper.. Most, except for the select few out there.. Anyway, true story -- I once dated an overweight woman out of pity. Yeah, I felt sorry for her. Unfortunately, she ate at McDonalds quite often. I became so fed up that I told her to choose between me and the Big Mac.. yep, I'm single.)
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: Pubrick on May 07, 2003, 07:36:20 PM
this is why u suck, burgerboy. thread killers.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: soixante on May 07, 2003, 10:13:23 PM
PTA was very young when he did Boogie Nights, and young artists usually display their influences strongly.  Nobody exists in a vacuum -- you have to be influenced by something, why not other movies?  Scorsese, the ultimate film scholar, calls upon his bank of knowledge constantly, using shots from other directors, but doing it in his own style.  Same with Schrader, and De Palma, and Tarantino.  So PTA's in good company.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: oakmanc234 on May 08, 2003, 02:28:11 AM
Replies from MrBurgerKing that include needless talk about burgers. How unexpected..........(side burger note: I love McD's, Burger King etc but Wendy's reign supreme)

My favourite praise to PTA from a director is when Spielberg said that PTA is THE BEST (of the new directors). THE BEST. I sure hope PTA heard/read that (imagine Steven Spielberg saying that about you!!!!!!).

Does anyone else remember that exact quote?
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: AlguienEstolamiPantalones on May 08, 2003, 03:05:17 AM
Quote from: The Silver Bullet
QuoteLets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites song.
No, let's put it this way. If you weren't the prentious "don't need to go to film school" douchebag you are, you would have realised that film school works for some people, doesn't work for others, and that your comment was childish and pathetic at best.

im very childish, but im cute look  :-D

seeee
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: thedog on May 08, 2003, 03:21:54 AM
i love how the topics on this board start on one topic and end up at a completely different topics.... But still keep you interested. Brilliant.
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: MacGuffin on May 08, 2003, 03:24:15 AM
Quote from: oakmanc234My favourite praise to PTA from a director is when Spielberg said that PTA is THE BEST (of the new directors). THE BEST. I sure hope PTA heard/read that (imagine Steven Spielberg saying that about you!!!!!!).

Does anyone else remember that exact quote?

You mean the one that Marty McSuperfly posted on page one?
Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: Pubrick on May 08, 2003, 03:32:23 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: oakmanc234My favourite praise to PTA from a director is when Spielberg said that PTA is THE BEST (of the new directors). THE BEST. I sure hope PTA heard/read that (imagine Steven Spielberg saying that about you!!!!!!).

Does anyone else remember that exact quote?

You mean the one that Marty McSuperfly posted on page one?

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Title: Scorsese/Boogie Nights
Post by: oakmanc234 on May 08, 2003, 05:23:22 AM
No, not the one that Marty McSuperfly posted on page one (funny guy)