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In Front of the Camera / Re: Celebrities Gone Wild
« Last post by wilberfan on Yesterday at 11:25:46 PM »
A distraught Alec Baldwin in the parking lot outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office on Thursday after answering questions about the shooting.       Credit...Jim Weber/Santa Fe New Mexican

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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by WorldForgot on Yesterday at 07:10:56 PM »
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Yeah. The "action scenes" are really their own thing in this movie. You don't have spaceships whizzing by and shaky cam barely keeping up with kinetic movement or whatever. Instead, everything is enormous, slow, and heavy. Like that super wide shot of the Harkonnen ship firing off hundreds of missiles.


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Obviously the Desert Storm + Afghanistan allusions are easy to draw, but when I saw this visual though my mind immediately flashed to the footage of Israel's Iron Dome intercepting missiles. And idek how many of those missile "defense" systems there are world wide, could be more widespread than I expect.

Not that it had to be indicative of any specific jihad, as Frank Herbert's Butlerian Jihad iz specific enuff, but its imagery as to real-world international conflict is potent, I think.
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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by polkablues on Yesterday at 05:14:33 PM »
Man does Villeneuve know how to create SCALE.

100%. The sand worm was one of the most awe-inspiring things I’ve ever seen in a movie. That was the one moment I was like “Yeah, I probably should have seen this in the theater.”
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The Small Screen / Re: Better Call Saul
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on Yesterday at 04:50:40 PM »

Bob Odenkirk is THE BEST.
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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by HACKANUT on Yesterday at 04:47:31 PM »
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Oscar Isaac’s death scene was really cool. I did not read the book, so I was surprised so many big name actors died in Part I. For those who read the book, is Josh Brolin dead?

Also, the middle section really is phenomenal. The film certainly has flaws, but that middle section is what big budget filmmaking should be. It’s a visual feast, unlike so much of what we get nowadays from major productions *cough* Marvel *cough* .


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I loved the Leto death scene. Beautiful composition with that loooong table. Feasting Baron (ew) and naked Leto just utterly defeated. Great stuff. Also, the reveal of Baron on the ceiling got a gasp out of me.  and those Lynch-ish Hazmat suits! Whew.


Oh and, Gurney Halleck and Thufir Hawat are not dead.
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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on Yesterday at 04:45:39 PM »
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Yeah. The "action scenes" are really their own thing in this movie. You don't have spaceships whizzing by and shaky cam barely keeping up with kinetic movement or whatever. Instead, everything is enormous, slow, and heavy. Like that super wide shot of the Harkonnen ship firing off hundreds of missiles. Man does Villeneuve know how to create SCALE.
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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by jviness02 on Yesterday at 04:34:08 PM »
It’s a completely fair comparison. But I do think we’re looking at a different industry than 2049 was faced with.

Back then they ruled with box office power. In 2021 they must cultivate streaming power.😎

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Oscar Isaac’s death scene was really cool. I did not read the book, so I was surprised so many big name actors died in Part I. For those who read the book, is Josh Brolin dead?

Also, the middle section really is phenomenal. The film certainly has flaws, but that middle section is what big budget filmmaking should be. It’s a visual feast, unlike so much of what we get nowadays from major productions *cough* Marvel *cough* .

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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on Yesterday at 04:27:19 PM »
Just briefly on the sequel greenlight question... Dune has so many advantages over 2049. It’s providing value on Warner Media’s streaming service. It’s already more of an “event” than 2049 ever was. It has franchise potential, prequel potential, spinoff potential. The sequel has Zendaya potential, a resource studios are eager to mine.

Also the movie is straightforwardly a success so far:

‘Dune’ Seeing $17.5M Opening Day, Best For Warner Bros HBO Max Day/Date Title & Denis Villeneuve

Another Deadline article says Dune will cross $200M worldwide on Sunday. Not bad for also being on HBO Max, torrents, etc.

Rebecca Ferguson iz gonna get a nom for this right? It sorta feelz like she's the mana here.

For sure. There’s this mysteriously omnipresent slow-churning emotion through the entire film, and I think it’s mostly her creating that all the time. Incredible work.

In themes surrounding Paul and prophecy, the edit and script are effective. In its representation of cultures, I'm not so sure right now. How does this feel to someone that's not read the novel? I expect that it's all too quick? But maybe that's okay because it will inspire people that dug into the aesthetic to read the source material? Its exposition is handled so well that I'm not sure it's 'handled' in so far as how the Freman are portrayed.

My only exposure to Dune had been the Lynch movie and cultural osmosis. I know there’s more to discover, but I didn’t feel like I was missing out on anything, really. At first I wasn’t sure how technologically advanced they were, but that was enumerated as we learned about a few of the technologies they invented.

All the politics and worldbuilding were crystal clear, somehow, with exposition sprinkled in organically, and not a single lore dump to be found.

This is in stark contrast to the Lynch Dune. My first viewing was a very long time ago, but I don’t remember anything outside of the visuals being all that interesting. But here, I want every morsel.

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The fall of House Atreides had such an impact here — I really got a sense of everything they were losing. I literally don’t remember how this development happened in the Lynch movie. In fact, I didn’t even remember that House Atreides fell, so that came as a surprise to me in Dune 2021.


The climax is anticlimactic and the third act is weird for the same reason.

That’s the biggest deficit of the film, that it quite literally is only half a movie. The third act is weird because there is no third act; it ends midway through act two. Normally when you split a story up like this, you would structure it so that each individual part has its own three act structure within the greater narrative, but Villeneuve didn’t bother, he just took the story as a whole, filmed half of it, and said bon appetit. Which will be fine if and when the second part gets made and people can watch the whole thing as one complete five hour ( :shock:) movie, but for now we’re left with the story of people moving vaguely in the direction of a goal and stopping halfway.

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I went in knowing this stopped halfway through the first book (or so I’ve been told), so I was fully prepared for the story to stop where it did, pretty much where I assumed it would.

I would agree this doesn’t have a three-act structure...

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I can view it as either a one-act story, “adjusting to Dune,” or two-act story, split at the Harkonnen invasion.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I’m convinced it works. Once Paul started seeing visions of Zendaya, I thought it became clear that she was the destination. So the fact that that’s exactly where the movie ended felt perfect, not truncated at all.

The end also has a solid “this ending is a new beginning” feel.

It’s unconventional I guess, but I didn’t feel it lacking at all. “Deficit” would not occur to me.


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It's disingenuous how they marketed this right? I won't be surprised if general audiences are frustrated by the loose threads and how little Zendaya truly interacts with the plot. From the marketing, they'd have you think that Zendaya is in this movie and not just part of the promo for the second part.

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Yeah, super misleading. Thankfully I caught onto this pretty early and realized she would mostly just be in visions. (I wasn’t necessarily clamoring for Zendaya screentime either.) But yeah, super misleading marketing. Not only marketing, but press, which makes it feel slightly unethical tbh. They clearly just wanted the Chalamet/Zendaya combo to create good press tour content, which of course it does. Paul palling around with his mom would not have fit the mold, I guess.

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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on Yesterday at 03:34:34 PM »
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This Year In Film / Re: Dune (Denis Villeneuve)
« Last post by HACKANUT on Yesterday at 03:17:06 PM »
It’s a completely fair comparison. But I do think we’re looking at a different industry than 2049 was faced with.

Back then they ruled with box office power. In 2021 they must cultivate streaming power.😎

For spoilers use the “Sp” icon, I wanna hear what you’ve got to say!