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Title: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: WorldForgot on July 27, 2021, 10:31:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RvVT1cDiNc

"Redemption is the long game in Paul Schrader’s THE CARD COUNTER. Told with Schrader’s trademark cinematic intensity, the revenge thriller tells the story of an ex-military interrogator turned gambler haunted by the ghosts of his past decisions, and features riveting performances from stars Oscar Isaac, Tiffany Haddish, Tye Sheridan and Willem Dafoe."

Quote from: WorldForgot on June 18, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
The Card Counter "livestream" Q&A currently archived at HanwayFilms (https://www.hanwayfilms.com/xy4cbs2e)

Hand-made films, guilt, Dune, and Bruce Willis' contract.
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: Drenk on September 30, 2021, 02:11:01 PM
I'll be watching this in a while, maybe this weekend.

What did you all think?
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: wilberfan on September 30, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
I'm concerned I can't lower my expectations enough, having hated First Reformed.
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: Yes on September 30, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
If you hate First Reformed, I cannot imagining liking this. It's the exact same premise. Schrader has made a career out of Mad Libs. Playing "Taxi Driver if..". Your enjoyment depends on how his lonely man submerges his guilt. Poker is an interesting subject--the mundanity and monotony of it. Isaac's performance is perfectly modulated. Haddish/Sherdian are ghastly but their amateurness creates an overall surreal vibe to the film
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: jviness02 on October 03, 2021, 07:58:02 PM
If you like Schrader you'll like it. It was very much my shit, but if you hated First Reformed, skip it lol
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: wilberfan on October 12, 2021, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: wilberfan on September 30, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
I'm concerned I can't lower my expectations enough, having hated First Reformed.

Well, I guess I lowered my expectations just enough.

It was fine.  Three-stars out of five. I liked the leads (including Haddish).  The Venn Diagram of this and Hard Eight would be interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: Drenk on November 01, 2021, 07:15:42 AM
Liked it! There's always the clunky Schrader material: well...you can't bet that much on romance being transcendent and write bad characters for women. Haddish managed to be a warm presence despite delivering every line like a video game cutscene from the early 2000s: you can feel like you're holding a giant Xbox controller.

But the main relationship of the movie is between Isaac and Tree of Life Kid and every scene between the two works.

Spoiler: ShowHide
You've got a guy unable to forgive himself. Should he? That's the thing...I have no idea...The movie doesn't make me hate the guy despite what he's done, but I don't think it is, in any way, a redemption arc. The movie doesn't shy away from the horror; well, it could have been more frontal, but the distorted flashbacks present in a very unique way the madness of being there as a torturer, which is, yes, American-centric, but how many American movies showed that reality in such a visual striking way recently?

He wraps his hotel rooms. He wants to live the most quiet life possible. He doesn't seem to want anything, actually. I wondered how painful these casinos must seem to the guy if he can't stand hotel rooms? Anyway, Tree of Life Kid arrives, looking weirder and weirder with time, a gift from Terrence Malick casting agents, and suddenly forgiving yourself isn't an issue because saving somebody else feels less selfish and, frankly, easier—and I loved this dynamic between Isaac and ToLK throughout The Card Counter. I wasn't surprised by the twist; I knew the Kid wouldn't accept living his life, and I knew it would lead Isaac to a path of revenge, but I wasn't ready for how calm the scene between him and Dafoe would be. That's what evil looks like too. Pure calmness...

Then it ends with Haddish and I don't understand why?


Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: wilder on December 26, 2021, 04:22:44 AM
Screenplay (https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-Card-Counter-Read-The-Screenplay.pdf)
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: WorldForgot on December 26, 2021, 01:17:35 PM
Really dug this film's stoic essence, great performances and an interesting sound design sets this apart from First Reformed as its own thing formally; though they could easily be considered companion pieces. There's a dual-fish-eye effect that I'm not sure I've ever seen before, that knocked me back as much as its bleak pendulum.
Title: Re: The Card Counter (Paul Schrader)
Post by: RudyBlatnoyd on February 09, 2022, 05:15:06 AM
Finally saw this. Thought it was excellent. One of my new favourite Schrader joints. Better than at least 8 of the Academy Awards' Best Picture nominees.