I am big Matrix fan and i just hope the brothers dont get a hard on with the CGI stuff and put out a nearly completley CG movie like Attack of The Clones.
Any thoughts?
yeah, im sure they WONT make it a competely cg movie. what was the budget again?
yeah, the whole them saying more cgi is my only fear of this film.
on another note, i dreamed that i saw it last night. Don't you hate when that happens?
I know I hate it when I dream something cool. I dreamed I saw Star Wars Episode III two week after Episode II opened. At the same time, I love things like that, because good dreams leave you feeling happy when you wake up.
Anyway...I use this handy gauge when wondering if a movie has too much CGI. Just compare the trailer to any of the Star Wars prequels. I think the Matrix is safe.
There's no such term as 'too much CGI' if the story and screenplay are great.
Quote from: MacGuffinThere's no such term as 'too much CGI' if the story and screenplay are great.
I disagree. I am prett worried about the CGI because I dont want it looking like a videogame. There is a shot ive seen in the trailers already where neo is swinging around on a pole or something and he is clearly CGI and looks awful. Im not saying the movie is going to be bad or hurt by it, I just like things to look real. I just wish theyd try to do it as real as possible and not just do CGI for the sake of doing a lot of CGI. We will see
The way they did CGI in this movie is completely opposite of the way Star Wars Episode II did there's. I read a Wired article on it and it was very intriguing. They film the actors doing as much as they can (action wise) as well as Reeve's and Weaving's faces in a multitude of grimaces and expressions and then compose it onto the action actors. While some scenes absolutely had to be fully CGI (the bo scene and the dogpile) they tried to keep it at a minimum. So that gives me hope. Plus, from the trailer, is it really the lack of quality in the CGI that brings out its fakeness, or your mind telling you that's not physically possible? I think it's a combination of the two, but more the improbability than bad CGI.
Now Hulk. That's some bad CGI.
Yeah, Mummy Returns gave me a headache, it was so bad.
That shot of Neo on the pole is TOTALLY your mind messing with you. I thought it looked kinda CG-ish at first, but after seeing the trailer about a dozen time, and paying really close attention to that shot...I realized that IF you could actually shoot a shot of someone doing that, that's what it would really look like. If you look closely you can see the reactions and subtle movements on everyone's faces, including Neo's. Its perfect.
Quote from: RaikusThat's some bad CGI.
Would you say bad CGI or just that CGI isnt good enough yet to to be anywhere near realistic.
10 years from now, the CGI in movies are going to be something to laugh at.
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10 years from now, the CGI in movies are going to be something to laugh at.
10 years from now, CG will be so good, they'll have to think of something else to impress people with.
The stunts Buster Keaton did in the 20s are more impressive than anything I've seen done by CGI.
I'm really anxious for The Matrix. Even though I have reservations after seeing some bad effects in the commerical, especially the part where Neo throws all the guys in black off of him, I am still very optimistic. The worst thing this movie can do is go into over load and be a 2 hour exercise in special effects brilliance only for the purpose of beating the ones in the first Matrix. That will just take away from the effect of the effects and be numbing. Still, I'm hopeful.
~rougerum
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe worst thing this movie can do is go into over load and be a 2 hour exercise in special effects brilliance only for the purpose of beating the ones in the first Matrix.
~rougerum
what was the best part about the first matrix? the kick-ass, take no prisoners slam-bang action of the last 50 mins. I like the story, i think its a great one, theyve created a whole world. but now that it exists, theyre gonna want to play in it. make no mistake about it, this is a videogame movie in the truest sense of the word. I mean, it
takes place inside a videogame. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Of course theyre gonna try and kick the shit out of the first matrix, otherwise whats the point? They used special effects correctly in the first one, they looked pretty real, on a budget of only $60m. now that theyve got $300m of course theyre gonna push the effects barrier. i think this movie will have the best effects, cgi and practical, of any movie so far. i trust them, after all, this took four years. its
gotta be good. George Lucas just cranks scripts out in a weekend, and hands it over to the cartoonists-I MEAN, effects technichians. The wachowskis are different. Expect this thing to kick up some serious shit.
I actually didn't like the first one. Not for its identification as a video game action movie, but because there was another very similiar movie out that was light years beyond it and I couldn't enjoy The Matrix because of seeing how similiar both movies were. Way too distracting, and in that distraction, made The Matrix look pretty bad.
I do understand what you are saying in it being a pure action movie, but just going all out in effects over and over again is not the best way to utilize them at all. All that does is bring the effects to a level of normal and not special. When you spread them out and dictate the movie on a low level, you can make the effects completely special and much more effective.
4 years isn't that long in producing special effects for a movie. The longest I know of is A.I., which was under production since 1977 and not completed til 2001. They really waited til they felt everything was right.
Even with what I said, I still will likely find enjoyment out of the next one because I will see it as a ride and nothing else. It won't necessarily be a great movie, but maybe an enjoyable one though. I really am excited to see more of the effects of Neo flying. Those were great in the trailers.
~rougerum
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI actually didn't like the first one. Not for its identification as a video game action movie, but because there was another very similiar movie out that was light years beyond it and I couldn't enjoy The Matrix because of seeing how similiar both movies were. Way too distracting, and in that distraction, made The Matrix look pretty bad.
I do understand what you are saying in it being a pure action movie, but just going all out in effects over and over again is not the best way to utilize them at all. All that does is bring the effects to a level of normal and not special. When you spread them out and dictate the movie on a low level, you can make the effects completely special and much more effective.
4 years isn't that long in producing special effects for a movie. The longest I know of is A.I., which was under production since 1977 and not completed til 2001. They really waited til they felt everything was right.
Even with what I said, I still will likely find enjoyment out of the next one because I will see it as a ride and nothing else. It won't necessarily be a great movie, but maybe an enjoyable one though. I really am excited to see more of the effects of Neo flying. Those were great in the trailers.
~rougerum
what is the movie you speak of that was so similar?
Dark City?
yep.
~rougerum
I heard Carry Ann Moss is going nude. anyone else heard this?
Matrix films blamed for series of murders by obsessed fans
The Guardian
One of the attractions of The Matrix, the film whose sequel, The Matrix Reloaded was its blending of fantasy and reality. A series of murders in the United States suggests some people have been unable to distinguish between the two.
Josh Cooke, a 19-year-old in Oakton, Virginia, owned a trenchcoat like the one worn by Neo, the character played by Keanu Reeves in the movie, and kept a poster of his hero on his bedroom wall. Then he bought a gun similar to the one used by Neo to fight evil.
In February, he shot his father and mother in the basement of their home and then called the police. His lawyers say he believed that he was living inside the Matrix.
The theme of the films is that computers have taken over the earth, although some humans exist in a computer-simulated world, battling to save humanity. "He's just obsessed with it," Cooke's defence attorney, Rachel Fierro, told the Washington Post.
The local prosecutor, Robert Horan, said: "I don't think the movie causes violence. Millions and millions of people have seen it and not killed anybody." Cooke will now be examined by a psychiatrist.
The Matrix seems to have spawned other imitators. Last week in Ohio, a woman was found not guilty of killing the professor whose house she rented, on the grounds of insanity. Tonda Lynn Ansley, 37, said she had had dreams which turned out not to be dreams. The local prosecutor said that, "in her warped perception", the film played a part in the killing.
In San Francisco in 2000, Vadim Mieseges, 27, killed his landlady, Ella Wong, and pleaded not guilty on grounds of insanity. The police who interviewed him said he had made "reference to being sucked into the Matrix".
The young man accused of taking part in last year's sniper attacks in the Washington area has also cited the film.
"Free yourself of the Matrix," wrote Lee Boyd Malvo, 18, one of the two defendants, in his jail cell.
puh-lease.
That reminds me of the scene when Neo called the police on himself
hahaha wouldn't it be funny if we were actually all inside the matrix and the movies were being put out as propaganda by the machines to make it that much less of a possibility that we are in the matrix? joel silver is a machine
Quote from: sphinxhahaha wouldn't it be funny if we were actually all inside the matrix and the movies were being put out as propaganda by the machines to make it that much less of a possibility that we are in the matrix? joel silver is a machine
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"That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me." :2gunfire: