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Title: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: squints on January 16, 2006, 09:05:44 PM
Mary-Louise Parker just beat all the Desperate Housewives bitches in the Golden Globes and I questioned whether or not i'd seen a thread for this show on xixax? If you haven't seen it (or you can't afford Showtime like most people) then download it right now! I hear there's new episodes coming this summer and I have no clue when season 1 is going to make it to dvd?

anyone else watch this?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Pubrick on January 16, 2006, 09:43:27 PM
haha..

Quote from: Pubrick on December 13, 2005, 06:55:16 PM
most ridiculous category: BEST ACTRESS, TV MUSICAL OR COMEDY. i've never seen Weeds but i hope mary-louise parker wins, that would be funny.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on July 11, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
best show ever! i just caught the entire first season on demand. i'm officially in love with mary-louise parker.

wtf, i can't believe none of you are watching this.  :yabbse-shocked:
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Weird. Oh on July 12, 2006, 01:17:28 AM
I've been a fan since day one but what's up with the show being on hiatus or such a long break? I know she had a pregnancy but I think that was a little ways ago.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on July 12, 2006, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: ©brad on July 11, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
wtf, i can't believe none of you are watching this.  :yabbse-shocked:

I can't believe they run it on a channel I don't have. 
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Weird. Oh on July 13, 2006, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: hackspaced on July 12, 2006, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: ©brad on July 11, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
wtf, i can't believe none of you are watching this.  :yabbse-shocked:

I can't believe they run it on a channel I don't have. 

bittorrent :)
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: squints on July 24, 2006, 02:45:18 AM
from showtime's website:

Elvis Costello, Englebert Humperdinck and Other Artists Record Versions of "Little Boxes" theme song for 'Weeds'

Independent film star Zooey Deschanel ("Failure to Launch," "The Good Girl") and hip-hop star Snoop Dogg have filmed guest appearances in the second season of Showtime's Golden Globe -winning and Emmy-nominated series Weeds. Deschanel will star in three episodes where she will play "Kat," -- the ex-girlfriend of Andy Botwin (Justin Kirk) whose erratic behavior spurred his relocation from Alaska to Agrestic in Season One. This coming season, Kat insinuates herself into the Botwin family, much to their dismay. Snoop Dogg plays himself in one episode where he records a song about marijuana.

On the music side, Weeds producers have lined up several recording artists to cover the show's quirky theme song "Little Boxes" originally sung by Melvina Reynolds. Each week the show airs, "Little Boxes" will be performed over the credits by different artists including Grammy winner Elvis Costello, Englebert Humperdinck, Death Cab for Cutie, McGarrigle Sisters, Tom Maxwell and Ken Mosher (formerly from Squirrel Nut Zippers), Ozomatli, Regina Spektor, Jenny Lewis of Rilo Kiley and Tim DeLaughter of The Polyphonic Spree.

Weeds stars Mary-Louise Parker, Elizabeth Perkins, Kevin Nealon, Justin Kirk, Tonye Patano and Romany Malco. The second season begins August 14th at 10pm ET/PT on Showtime.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 30, 2006, 10:51:25 AM
Is anybody seeing the new season?
Never saw an episode from season one but I've seen all of season two (three eps I think), really funny show and MLP is just awesome, I can see why she beat all the desperate bitches.  :laughing:

Quote from: ©brad on July 11, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
i'm officially in love with mary-louise parker.

Ditto.  :inlove:


Quote from: showtime official site
Sorry

We at Showtime Online express our apologies; however, these pages are intended for access only from within the United States.

WTF?!  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 31, 2006, 10:13:05 PM
best. show. on. tv. period.

the fact that no one on this board is watching it is sad and inexcusable, considering the exceedingly large amount of crap that the board has no problem subjecting themselves to week after week.

i don't understand it.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: matt35mm on August 31, 2006, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: ©brad on August 31, 2006, 10:13:05 PM
best. show. on. tv. period.

the fact that no one on this board is watching it is sad and inexcusable, considering the exceedingly large amount of crap that the board has no problem subjecting themselves to week after week.

i don't understand it.
WE DON'T HAVE SHOWTIME AND DON'T LIKE TO STEAL SHOWS AND MOVIES FROM THE INTERNET!

I'd watch it if I could, and I know I'm not the only one on this board who is head over heels for Mary-Louise Parker.  So there's your answer.

And what crap do we subject ourselves to?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: SiliasRuby on August 31, 2006, 10:51:52 PM
Mary Louise Parker....mmm.....
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on September 19, 2006, 10:37:29 AM
so is anyone watching this yet? we're halfway through the second season and each episode is better than the last! i once again must encourage all of you to do what you can to watch at least a few episodes (season 1 is out on DVD and the first 5 episodes of season 2 are readily available on the internet for downloading).

here are a few of the numerable hysterical one-liners from this season. hope you enjoy!

[in reference to a strapon a girl wants to use on him]
Andy: Does it have to be black?

Doug: I'm likeable. I could take a shit on one of those make-a-wish cancer kids and people would still like me.

Isabell: When do I get to have grown-up juice?
Celia: When you have a daughter who drives you to it.

Doug: At what point does CPR become necrophilia?

Andy: I'm so glad our last name is not Drew because you would be Nancy Drew and I would be Andrew Drew

[smoking a water bong]
Andy: How cool would it be if there was genie in here?
Doug: Not for him, he'd be on fire.

Vaneeta: You're the white devil girl. He's Nation of Islam. Y'all two are never having coffee.

Doug: How do you tell the women who makes your kids' lunches to suck your balls, and spread her ass open like a geometry compass? How Andy, how?

so many more that i can't remember off the top of my head.

you guys are missing out, i'm tellin yah.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on September 19, 2006, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: ©brad on September 19, 2006, 10:37:29 AM
so is anyone watching this yet? we're halfway through the second season and each episode is better than the last! i once again must encourage all of you to do what you can to watch at least a few episodes (season 1 is out on DVD and the first 5 episodes of season 2 are readily available on the internet for downloading).

here are a few of the numerable hysterical one-liners from this season. hope you enjoy!

Still watching, yesterday on-liners were the best, specially all the things Heylia's daughter told to that old black dude.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on October 04, 2006, 01:18:26 PM
Enough! All of you heroes/chandler 60 show ppl must give Weeds a shot, and don't say you don't have Showtime, first season is out on dvd and I have even seen complete episodes on youtube so it's no excuse to not see it, season two is on its 8 out of 12 episodes so many should be available by now.

Last episode was great, the best is yet to come and MLP is the hottest actress on tv, MILF!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Weird. Oh on October 05, 2006, 05:00:18 AM
I need some of that Milf WEED!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: I Love a Magician on October 07, 2006, 09:10:16 PM
So I'm watching this show on YouTube and I don't think it's very good. I mean, it seems better than shit like Friends or whatever, but this quirky, bantery type shit gets on my nerves because it seems so impressed by its own cleverness.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 07, 2006, 09:36:54 PM
As I came home for the weekend I was able to catch up on all of Season 2 thus far via OnDemand. This show is becoming one of my favorites. At first the unrealistic quality of basically everything that was happening was kind of off-putting...but then I started to realize that it's just part of the charm of the show; I mean, it is about a suburbia overflowing with marijuana. But I stil feel wierd watching it with my mom, and I'll never look at a banana the same way again. Either way, really funny.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 11, 2006, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: Chest Rockwell on October 07, 2006, 09:36:54 PM
But I stil feel wierd watching it with my mom, and I'll never look at a banana the same way again.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Pubrick on October 12, 2006, 02:34:41 AM
yep. that's what he said.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 13, 2006, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: Pubrick on October 12, 2006, 02:34:41 AM
yep. that's what he said.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 04:17:10 PM
That's what SHE said!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 05:19:26 PM
Watch Dexter instead. First two episodes are available at sho.com. Michael Hall is great.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 13, 2006, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 05:19:26 PM
Watch Dexter instead.
You're not the boss of me.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Raikus on October 15, 2006, 08:53:56 AM
Do it. Now.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on October 15, 2006, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 05:19:26 PM
Watch Dexter instead. First two episodes are available at sho.com. Michael Hall is great.

watch weeds and dexter.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on October 16, 2006, 09:42:56 PM
sweet. jesus. the last shot of tonight's episode was bone-chilling.

you guys, this is the last time i'll say this-- you have to watch this show. it's the best writing on TV, by far. it's worth whatever you have to pay monthly for showtime.

2 more episodes left!



Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Pubrick on October 17, 2006, 06:04:40 AM
Quote from: ©brad on October 16, 2006, 09:42:56 PM
it's the best writing on TV, by far.
that just gives me flashbacks of AD overhype. i'd rather expect a decent underrated show, overrating never helped anyone. but hey, at least it's not Ron Howard saying it, or someone employed by the show.. or is it?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on October 17, 2006, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on October 17, 2006, 06:04:40 AM
Quote from: ©brad on October 16, 2006, 09:42:56 PM
it's the best writing on TV, by far.
that just gives me flashbacks of AD overhype. i'd rather expect a decent underrated show, overrating never helped anyone. but hey, at least it's not Ron Howard saying it, or someone employed by the show.. or is it?

hahah, i wish.

i certainly wouldn't want to overhype anything. how bout i burn/ship you a DVD copy of season one, and then you can report back. perhaps your advocacy of the show will entice more ppl on the board to watch it (cuz mine is obviously not really persuading anyone)
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Pubrick on October 30, 2006, 06:10:05 AM
Quote from: ©brad on October 17, 2006, 08:19:06 AM
i certainly wouldn't want to overhype anything. how bout i burn/ship you a DVD copy of season one, and then you can report back. perhaps your advocacy of the show will entice more ppl on the board to watch it (cuz mine is obviously not really persuading anyone)
i would not be averse to accepting such a generous offer. but i'm sure ppl will come around regardless.. speaking of which, are you still coming down to the land of plenty (except water in some parts), or did that stingray make you change your mind?

PM time i guess.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Weird. Oh on October 31, 2006, 05:04:25 AM
does mentioning that Zooey Deschanel has been in the past 3 episodes do anything for any guys on here? Great show, hot girl.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 16, 2006, 05:33:15 PM
Showtime Orders 15 More Episodes of Weeds
Source: Showtime Networks Inc.

Hot off last month's shocking second season finale of "Weeds" -- the most-watched episode in its history -- Showtime is green lighting 15 new episodes for the third season of the award-winning series, it was announced today by Showtime Network's President of Entertainment, Robert Greenblatt. The network's most watched comedy and critical darling, "Weeds" is a biting and satirical look at the complicated life of a suburban, pot-dealing mother. Produced by Lionsgate in association with Tilted Productions, "Weeds" stars Mary-Louise Parker, Elizabeth Perkins, Tonye Patano, Romany Malco, Justin Kirk and Kevin Nealon. Created and executive produced by Emmy® Award winner Jenji Kohan, the series will resume production in Los Angeles in spring 2007 for a summer premiere.

"'Weeds' is quintessential Showtime: bold, provocative, premium television with production values at the top of the food chain," says Greenblatt. "This acclaimed show will be the centerpiece of our comedy strategy for several years to come, though labeling it just a comedy doesn't do it justice. It combines comedy and pathos in a way that seems to represent real life better than almost any show out there."

"'Weeds' continues to surpass all our expectations and we're delighted about the pick-up," says Kevin Beggs, Lionsgate's President of Television Programming and Production. "The talent -- both in front of and behind the camera -- is extraordinary, and we're excited about our continuing relationship with Showtime, which has gone above and beyond to support the unique creative vision of the series since day one."
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Ravi on December 24, 2006, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: ©brad on October 16, 2006, 09:42:56 PM
you guys, this is the last time i'll say this-- you have to watch this show. it's the best writing on TV, by far. it's worth whatever you have to pay monthly for showtime.

You've berated me enough.  I picked up season 1 today.  I've watched 5 episodes so far and while I don't think its "the best writing on TV, by far" it is pretty good. 

No matter what Romany Malco does, I'll always know him as MC Hammer.

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg155.imageshack.us%2Fimg155%2F6436%2F886431yp9.jpg&hash=3154aefefd4f0c1f790a4dc9e85e722f73c9888c)
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Pubrick on December 24, 2006, 10:38:03 PM
that's pretty much what i thought at the first 5 episodes. and it stays consistent throughout the first season, that is until the SEASON FINALE.

without spoiling anything, the last episode of season one redeems all the faults that had accumulated in my mind about what preceded it. there's stuff i don't like, the andy character for one, i loathed everything about him and it was great when she started kicking him out of the house.. too bad he didn't leave. i still don't see that he's entirely necessary, but he is needed around the house as another "adult" i suppose. the second thing that bothered me was the depiction of the black family.. it was completely unrealistic. now obviously this isn't The Wire, but the problem stems from the contrast with the show's strength --- that is, the show specializes in depicting a generic RICH WHITE neighbourhood, and that's what it's all about.. so when she enters the black neighbourhood there is just a lack of wit, it's not interested in being clever about black ppl, so it makes them and their surroundings boring at best and ridiculous at worst.

the final episode tho, that's a brilliant bit of television. i just hope it keeps the momentum of it in the second season, cos the first only felt like it was settling in.

oh and mary louise parker is just perfect.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on December 25, 2006, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Pubrick on December 24, 2006, 10:38:03 PMi just hope it keeps the momentum of it in the second season, cos the first only felt like it was settling in.

yeah the first season moves at a snail's pace in comparison to the second one. such is true for many tv shows that are more character-driven in their debut season.

it's funny, i thought andy would be one character you would love! hahah.

Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: pumba on January 26, 2007, 07:38:09 PM
wow. Watched all of season 1 last week. I thought the first two episodes were weak - but the rest of the season was really good. And the writing consistantly gets better...

And then...peekvid.com has all of season 2, and holy shit I cannot promote this show enough.

Season 2 is beyond the best writing on television. The dialogue is so well written...it makes me want to cry...and then watch more...and then eat pie...and then wack it.

Oh. The season finale is FAMZING (fucking amazing).
GO WATCH!!!!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Pubrick on January 27, 2007, 12:06:50 AM
Quote from: shnorff on January 26, 2007, 07:38:09 PM
Oh. The season finale is FAMZING (fucking amazing).
GO WATCH!!!!
better than the season 1 finale? cos that's the only reason i'm gonna watch season 2.

a dude i know had the same reaction too, season one unfortunately takes a lot of faith to get through, it's not BAD but some episodes are just not that encouraging. i'm definitely stealing season 2 somehow. i would never watch anything on youtube unless it was absolutely my last resort. i'd rather watch things on my ass really, with a mirror on the ground and everything.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on January 27, 2007, 05:32:00 PM
season 2 takes it to a whole new level. steal it dude.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: squints on May 10, 2007, 04:37:53 AM
so i'm watching the second season finally on the wonderful www.tv-links.co.uk (http://www.tv-links.co.uk)
kevin nealon has restored my faith in humanity
my favorite line:
"When does cpr become necrophelia?"
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 24, 2007, 01:36:51 AM
Olsen inks for role on Showtime's 'Weeds'
Series is 1st major solo role
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Mary-Kate Olsen is returning to television with a co-starring role on Showtime's dark comedy "Weeds."

On the Lionsgate-produced show, Olsen will play Tara, a devoted Christian girl living in the newly developed megachurch community Majestic who becomes a love interest for Nancy Botwin's (Mary-Louise Parker) son Silas (Hunter Parrish). Olsen will appear in 10 of the 15 episodes of the show's third season.

"I'm thrilled to be a part of the show," Olsen said. "It's really an honor to be a part of such a talented group of actors and writers."

"Weeds" marks Olsen's first major solo role. Since their debut on ABC's hit comedy series "Full House" at age 9 months, Olsen and her twin sister, Ashley, have starred together in a string of kids and tween-oriented series and movies for television and video.

Olsen's role on the edgy Showtime series about a pot-dealing mom (Parker) also is a departure from the wholesome, PG characters she and her sister have played and opens a new chapter in her acting career.

" 'Weeds' isn't your 8 o'clock family fare," series creator and executive producer Jenji Kohan said. "It's an adult show with adult subject matter, and we're confident Mary-Kate is right for the role. She came in and read with Hunter and was absolutely charming and real and seemed like a great fit. Audiences have seen only one side of Mary-Kate, but here we'll see her in a whole new light."

In addition to Olsen, joining the "Weeds" cast this upcoming season is previously announced Matthew Modine (HR 5/4). The series' Season 3 premieres Aug. 13.

Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, who serve as co-presidents of Dualstar Entertainment Group, most recently starred in the 2004 feature comedy "New York Minute," which the two also produced.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: pumba on May 27, 2007, 01:06:11 AM
Weaaaaakkkkkkkkkk (sarcasm)
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: elpablo on July 23, 2007, 10:32:41 PM
the first two episodes of season three have leaked online


i'm just saying is all
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: diggler on July 24, 2007, 12:47:30 AM
pretty convenient how the first two episodes of this and the first two episodes of dexter have leaked in the same week
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on July 24, 2007, 07:50:15 AM
yeah the first 4 episodes of season 2 leaked before the season premiere last year.

getting my season 2 dvd today!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Neil on August 29, 2007, 11:54:39 AM
I. LOVE. THIS. SHOW.

i cannot wait until i see the third season...anyone caught any episodes(if it's even out)?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Ravi on August 29, 2007, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2007, 11:54:39 AM
i cannot wait until i see the third season...anyone caught any episodes(if it's even out)?

Quote from: elpablo on July 23, 2007, 10:32:41 PM
the first two four episodes of season three have leaked online
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: modage on September 10, 2007, 09:45:17 PM
i started watching season 1 a few weeks ago and although i practically hated the first episode, i kept watching it for Mary Louise Parker.  i found that it was a good show to put on when you come home drunk and the season seemed to get better as it went along. the last shot of season one was a brilliantly planned moment that seemed to make most of the season worthwhile.  on sunday i watched 16 episodes, all of season 2 and the first four episodes of season 3 which i believe catches me up to date.  i think the show really found its rhythm during season 2 and there is a sense of mounting tension that seems to continually snowball.  when they 'take on' a subject it can still be a little transparent (like the army) but the characters have gotten quite good and MLP rules.  but its not a show that likes to reset itself at the end of every episode/season and you can feel it continually driving itself forward.  for THIS i really really appreciate it.  in that way, it's the anti-Entourage.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on September 10, 2007, 10:00:55 PM
not to mention some of the best writing you could ask for. i really don't get how anyone could hate the first episode, or the 1st season for that matter. but whatever, i agree the show is evolving brilliantly, continually unpredictable, and mary louise parker is one of the best actors on the planet. tonight's episode was soooo great, as is this season.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: pumba on September 19, 2007, 09:43:10 PM
Ep 5 - when Uturn hands Nancy "The Secret" i nearly shat myself
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: pumba on October 11, 2007, 05:34:23 PM
Okay...I can't kiss enough of this show's ass. Episode 8 is fantastic. One of the best of the series for sure.
I truly think this show will be remembered for a long time.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on November 19, 2007, 11:07:38 PM
holy shit!!!!

they are 3 for 3 for season finales.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on June 10, 2008, 01:35:06 PM
trailer for season 4 here. (http://www.sho.com/site/video/brightcove/series/title.do?bcpid=1305032372) looks pretty dope.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Tictacbk on August 22, 2008, 04:04:59 PM
Is anyone else watching this season?  I gotta say i'm pretty disappointed.  The season doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

Spoilers-I-Guess

Andy and Doug being coyotes is pretty funny i guess but everything else just seems like a rehash of previous seasons.
Nancy is dating someone she shouldn't.
Silas is banging someone hot thats different.
Shane has weird masturbation issues.

I mean theres been some high lights, and i still laugh out loud a couple times every episode.  But i expect better things from this show.

Also the old beginning is gone and i miss it.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 22, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
SPOILS


I'm watching but it is disapointing so far, in fact I was this close to stop watching, although the last three episodes have been better (last monday's not so much), the Andy and Doug adventures are the most hilarious so far (limp in peace, go limp away).

The Celia storyline is beyond stupid now, and more than that it's just boring.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: El Duderino on August 22, 2008, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fernando on August 22, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
the Andy and Doug adventures are the most hilarious so far

SPOILERS

I couldn't agree more. I love that scene when they're sitting on the beach and then the group of Mexicans walks out of the ocean and Andy turns to him and said in a stoned daze "Is this really happening?" Awesome.

One thing I am happy about this season is Mary Louise finally showed some skin. I've been waiting four seasons for it. I know she's been naked in other films, but it's seeing Nancy Botwin naked that really gets me. Love it.

Shane just gets weirder. I still hate the name Silas. Celia is stupid. I wish they would have killed Dean. Dungaroos girl is lame.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: diggler on August 23, 2008, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: El Duderino on August 22, 2008, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fernando on August 22, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
the Andy and Doug adventures are the most hilarious so far

SPOILERS

I couldn't agree more. I love that scene when they're sitting on the beach and then the group of Mexicans walks out of the ocean and Andy turns to him and said in a stoned daze "Is this really happening?" Awesome.

i'd love this show if it were only about andy and doug. i like the bold decision this season made by getting out of agrestic and starting over, but it's randomness is starting to remind me of last season. tidy resolutions, dropped plotlines, and convenient ways of keeping main characters in the storyline. the only time it was welcome was when doug walked in the door, thats saving the season so far.

and albert brooks is already out? that seemed like an anti climactic exit.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: El Duderino on August 23, 2008, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: ddiggler on August 23, 2008, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: El Duderino on August 22, 2008, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fernando on August 22, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
the Andy and Doug adventures are the most hilarious so far

SPOILERS

I couldn't agree more. I love that scene when they're sitting on the beach and then the group of Mexicans walks out of the ocean and Andy turns to him and said in a stoned daze "Is this really happening?" Awesome.


and albert brooks is already out? that seemed like an anti climactic exit.

Totally. I really did not like his character at all, but it was indeed a very quick exit. Although, I'm sure he'll pop up later in the season, asking for more money or something.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: RegularKarate on August 25, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
So this is available on the Netflix box and I went three episodes in before I realized I can wait up till including forever to see any more.

I don't hate it or anything... it's entirely watchable, but I do not understand the hype.

First issue... most poorly written shallow black characters I have seen in a watchable show ever (does that make sense?).  I heard Romany Malco left the show... I'm sure it was because he was tired of playing a character written by white guys who claimed to have black friends just to get the job.

Second issue... humor is very forced.  Almost Juno/smithish in a way (not nearly as bad).  Some of the actors can deliver the so-so joke lines, but most cannot.
A lot of times something funny will happen, but then it's driven into the ground... the joke is over-told.

I enjoyed it enough to watch it again, but unless there's some Locke-walks moment after episode three, I think I'll save my tv watching for better shows.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: squints on August 25, 2008, 06:52:08 PM
So i really love the first season. But I just recently started the third season, I'm a disc in. There's nothing keeping me from getting the second disc except just pure lack of interest. I started watching this show well before I'd discovered the wire. The funny is virtually gone from this show and the crime element (after seeing the wire) i could give a fuck about. I feel the exact same way about dexter. I started the first season of dexter a couple days ago and the plot starts to delve into the crime drama territory that just comes off as so uninteresting. And now part of me wants to know who the ice-truck killer is but most of me doesn't care.

I guess what i'm saying is that the wire has ruined the rest of television for me.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 25, 2008, 10:43:03 PM
i think the issue people have with this show is that it's 30 minutes long and doesn't conform to sitcom stereotypes. we demand that shows at said length be either funny or serious but never both. save that for the hour long sopranos or wires. well that's lame. 

Quote from: RegularKarate on August 25, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
I enjoyed it enough to watch it again, but unless there's some Locke-walks moment after episode three, I think I'll save my tv watching for better shows.

hah, well, i think if you demand such high expectations from shows after 3 episodes, you'll be "saving" for a while. most good shows shows (fuck, all good shows) take a while to really grab hold of you. take the wire. the wire is work, godamnit, but it pays off. this show is easy, and come season 2, you'll be hooked. i can only recommend, rk, that you keep watching.

as for season 4, a few things are silly yes, but you have to admire the show's balls. few shows (writers) take bigger risks than weeds does.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: RegularKarate on August 26, 2008, 11:56:52 AM
Obviously, I don't expect that much from a show three episodes in, but I do expect there to be something to keep me going and right now, this show barely evens out as far as the crummy-to-good ratio goes.

I'll probably watch a little more.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on September 10, 2008, 01:24:03 PM
monday's episode... wow. by far the darkest and most intense episode they have yet to do.

this finale is going to be crazy.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: El Duderino on September 10, 2008, 01:48:14 PM
Quote from: ©onzo on September 10, 2008, 01:24:03 PM
monday's episode... wow. by far the darkest and most intense episode they have yet to do.

this finale is going to be crazy.

SPOILERS!

Yeah, that torture scene at the end. It's one of the only ones where it came to a point where I thought "Yeah, I'd tell him, just so he would kill me"

So...well done, Weeds.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on September 16, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
awesome finale. weeds rivals lost in the crafting holy shit cliffhangers department.



Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on September 17, 2008, 09:51:40 AM
Don't know about you but the greatest moment for me was when Nancy is ordering the gift to Silas, she went from let's get this out of the way mood to sarcastically saying she was doomed to truly acknowledge she feels like the worst mother ever.

Also as usual, Doug and Andy 'shit' conversation was hilarious.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 28, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
I saw the last season that aired in one day and my jaw was on the floor. Is Doug going to be in the next season? What is going to happen with the new baby on the way? Man, what an amazing show.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on June 09, 2009, 08:39:44 AM
w000t! Season 5 is here!

I thought last night's premiere was pretty good. This is the first season where I have absolutely no clue where they are headed.

Spoiler: ShowHide
I don't think Nancy is really pregnant. I think Esteban will be killed, most likely by Captain Till, with Nancy's help, which is fucking crazy and kind of a shame because I liked them together.


Can't wait for next week when Jennifer Jason Leigh guest stars.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: SiliasRuby on June 09, 2009, 12:48:19 PM
It was pretty great. That douche bag spanish mayor is getting on my head. JJL is guest staring next week?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: SiliasRuby on June 23, 2009, 05:12:18 PM
I love jennifer jason leigh and seeing her in this almost makes me forget how hot she really is...
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on July 14, 2009, 03:42:44 PM
good ep. last nite, just when everything looked good in nancy town it all goes down the drain...

Doug as usual had the funniest line: we ask ourselves, what would george hamilton do?

like cbrad i have no clue where the hell this is going...
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 04, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
HOLY SHIT!


please tell me im not alone watching this, because the last four eps. have been AMAZING, and to think I was THIS close to stop watching it. these four are the best since season two, and maybe the best of the entire series.


and that finale, WOW.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 04, 2009, 05:17:16 PM
I know right? The show is batshit nuts but so much fun. I wish more people stuck with it.




spoilies... the scene with andy sucking the milk out of nancy's breast was pure gold. "Why did you swallow?" "Well, I didn't want to be a hypocrite." hah!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Jefferson on August 05, 2009, 06:12:07 AM
this season is definitely a step up from 3 and 4. has there been any reports as to how its ratings are holding up? i think a season 6 is a likely guess but im curious as to how the story will progress the longer they have to wait for pickup confirmation. (if its already been renewed just tell me to shut up) anyway, the last episode was definitely a shocker. it's been a while since i've been this anxious for a tv episode.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 05, 2009, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: Jefferson on August 05, 2009, 06:12:07 AM(if its already been renewed just tell me to shut up)

Showtime ordered 2 more seasons at the end of season 4. I think season 6 will be it though.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: modage on August 05, 2009, 10:03:51 AM
i love this season. 
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Neil on August 05, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
I have yet to see any of season 5, anyone know a link to watch this seasons episodes, BESIDES showtime (which i'm not even sure if that's a possibility)?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 05, 2009, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 05, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
I have yet to see any of season 5, anyone know a link to watch this seasons episodes, BESIDES showtime (which i'm not even sure if that's a possibility)?

you can find some in youtube, but torrents are your best friends for a proper viewing.


Quote from: ©brad on August 04, 2009, 05:17:16 PM
spoilies... the scene with andy sucking the milk out of nancy's breast was pure gold. "Why did you swallow?" "Well, I didn't want to be a hypocrite." hah!

yeah that was hysterical, and the sequel to that conversation in andy's bedroom "...here, when you burp"
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: SiliasRuby on August 26, 2009, 01:07:07 AM
I'm starting to really get angry at Nancy. The decisions she's making are getting worse and worse, I've actually gotten so mad I've yelled at my TV. I'm so happy that Andy got his shit together and he's very happy and in love.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on September 01, 2009, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: Fernando on August 04, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
HOLY SHIT!...again

I think only weeds and breaking bad (in its own way) can get away with that kind of crazy ending. which was only fitting to what was IMO the best season of the series.

what's amazing is that that cocky attitude of Pilar is spot on of that kind of ppl in México, ppl who think they can do whatever they want because of their political power.

showtime renewed it right? can't wait for what they come up next.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: SiliasRuby on September 01, 2009, 03:07:42 PM
It was great. Bam! Yeah, they did renew it already.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Alexandro on October 06, 2009, 10:36:20 AM
just finished season 4. didn't say anything before cause I wanted to catch up.

LOTS OF SPOILERS
2 and 4 are the best ones so far. It is an amazing show, specially for Mary Louise Parker, who has been able to shape this character and develop it into something tangible and real. At this point she can just shut up and you pretty much know what she's thinking. I think since it's mainly a comedy the randomness and sillyness of some of the aproaches doesn't bother me at all. In fact I think it's one of it's strongest points. They are dealing with some great subjects here, particularly in 4th season with the tijuana shit. These things you don't see them on mexican tv not even by accident.

Celia's storyline is the weakest but Perkins is great as the character and she keeps it afloat, barely. At some point it will get back on track. The coke business was dumb but funny, if for no other reason because Celia is the only character in that show who had proven to have the basic personality to be become a coke freak.

Doug and Andy are both really funny and in the finale with the Shawshank homage I really thought they wre going to go all the way with it and blow me away. It was kind of a letdown that they ended that scene with a lame "funny" speech because to see Doug really hit bottom would have added a lot of dimension to his already insane character.

Anyway, love this show.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on July 20, 2010, 12:38:49 PM
Trailer for season 6. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzKOb_OGp4s&feature=player_embedded)

Show is nuts. Can't wait! 
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on July 20, 2010, 12:51:37 PM
looks pretty good, although they showed too much.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on July 21, 2010, 12:28:38 PM
Weeds is OK.

It's no Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on July 21, 2010, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: // w ø l r å s on July 21, 2010, 12:28:38 PM
Weeds is OK.

It's no Breaking Bad.

Definitely not. I think if you just embrace the batshit craziness of it Weeds is still a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on August 17, 2010, 11:21:28 AM
Thwack.  It's back.  But it's way too fucking short.  My concerns that it jumped the shark last season finale are unfounded as of yet, but now (and from the preview trailer), they have pretty much anywhere to go.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: polkablues on August 17, 2010, 02:14:21 PM
It was a good episode, and I'll be ecstatic to have the Mexican cartel plot on the back burner, but you're definitely right about the episodes being too short. Everything felt super rushed.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 24, 2010, 03:45:01 PM
two strong episodes, this season is going to be awesome.

and indeed this is way too short.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on September 21, 2010, 10:48:40 AM
Three words after last episode: Hoe Lee Shit!
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: socketlevel on September 22, 2010, 10:21:43 AM
god i hate the depiction of canada in this season. we really arn't like that...
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on September 22, 2010, 04:26:06 PM
Quote from: ono on September 21, 2010, 10:48:40 AM
Three words after last episode: Hoe Lee Shit!

yeah

now how the hell will the newmans get out of that one....cant wait.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on November 13, 2010, 03:37:59 PM
Here's a spoileriffic, funny sneak preview of the finale. (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b211110_weeds_finale_sneak_peek_welcome_back.html?cmpid=sn-000000-twitterfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=twitterfeed&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_topstories)  This season has been great.  If I didn't know it'd been renewed for a seventh season, I'd be worried for Nancy.  But, considering she's toxic, why should I be?  I feel more for Andy and Silas.  A deliciously creepy goodbye between him and his mom after he found out about Lars.  Shane's gone past redemption, and into comic relief territory.  Warren is just nuts.  I feel sorry for Doug.  That little ending montage for the last episode was pitch perfect, though.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on June 30, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
Thwack.  It's back.  Three years ahead in time.

It's good to see these people again, and heartening to see the guys have stuck together after Nancy threw herself on the timebomb she created.  For self-preservation, Nancy's gone lesbo arms dealer, and her manipulative bones still remain intact.  Shane still loves his mommy.  Can't wait for next week, and when they see each other again.  Glad they've found a way to keep Doug in (and Celia nowhere to be seen).  Last season was probably the best yet, and it's unlikely this will end it all.  It'll be interesting to see if Nancy's going to turn over a leaf or a new trick.  Mixed feelings about whether she gets her kid back.  Jennifer Jason-Leigh plays evil/vengeful sister TOO well.  I enjoyed this episode and knew it was good because after 25 minutes I was surprised to see it cut to black so fast.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: polkablues on June 30, 2011, 06:32:05 PM
Half-hour episodes have always felt too short for this show.  I'm happy to have it back.  Nancy Botwin is such a compelling character, even when the show is coasting it still holds interest.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on July 01, 2011, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: ono on June 30, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
1 For self-preservation, Nancy's gone lesbo arms dealer, and her manipulative bones still remain intact.

2 Jennifer Jason-Leigh plays evil/vengeful sister TOO well. 

3 I enjoyed this episode and knew it was good because after 25 minutes I was surprised to see it cut to black so fast.

1. agree, is there something she wouldnt do for self-preservation? we havent seen yet what line she wouldnt cross.

2. she does indeed, hate her guts already.

3. TOO short, imdb has now only seven listed, I hope it'll be the usual 13.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on July 06, 2011, 09:18:09 AM
Why would Nancy chose now of all times, when she's living in a halfway house and prone to random drug tests, to get stoned? The drug test cliffhanger at the end was also weak because we know she's not going back to prison this early in the season. Also I really wish Showtime and HBO would stop showing us scenes from the next episode right after they cut to black. I like listening to the credit songs as I digest the episode. The Sopranos was always great at this.

That all being said I am enjoying this season so far. That opening scene with Nancy's roommate having phone sex was hysterical.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on August 02, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
After a blah episode or two, this last one, Object Impermanence was just a pretty amazing episode.  I don't like Heylia at all.  She's almost as bad as Celia (who I'm so glad isn't returning, knock the fuck on any wood surface).  So I was skeptical at first after last week's cliffhanger.  At least we got to see Dean again.  Love Shane using his smarts to help Andy and himself.  Loved the conversation between Silas and Nancy in the field, that booby-trapped garden of sorts.  Great atmosphere, and it avoided the anvils while still being funny and poignant.  It's scenes like these, and the one where Nancy lets Silas go, that remind me why this show is still worth a damn, and why I stuck by it through the doldrums, the ups and downs, of the Esteban years.  Nancy leaving Silas is just this act of letting go that shows all's not lost.  It was a selfish and selfless act all at once.  And her final monologue voiceover reminded me of others (namely the one where she thinks she's driving to her death when Esteban has asked to see her, and she buys a gift basket for Silas).  Now here's to a Dean and Doug reunion.  And Isabel?  What of her?
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: theyarelegion on August 02, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
this show is like and filmed like one bad play going on forever and after the last episode i'm gonna skip watching any more...no thank you. why do we watch this shit? pure soap
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: squints on August 02, 2011, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: theyarelegion on August 02, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
this show is like and filmed like one bad play going on forever and after the last episode i'm gonna skip watching any more...no thank you. why do we watch this shit? pure soap

i started this thread, and i gave up on this show a loooooong time ago
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 04, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: ono on August 02, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
And her final monologue voiceover reminded me of others (namely the one where she thinks she's driving to her death when Esteban has asked to see her, and she buys a gift basket for Silas).

yep, that moment was pretty great, and the basket scene is probably my fave of the series, MLP was stellar...
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 04, 2011, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: Fernando on August 04, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: ono on August 02, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
And her final monologue voiceover reminded me of others (namely the one where she thinks she's driving to her death when Esteban has asked to see her, and she buys a gift basket for Silas).

yep, that moment was pretty great, and the basket scene is probably my fave of the series, MLP was stellar...

My favorite moment of the series remains Nancy's long stare at the TV footage of her and Judah making love with "ballerina" by Leona Naess playing in the background. The gift basket was a close second.

This season has been interesting so far. I have no idea where they're going. I read they shot two endings, one a season finale and the other a series finale as they don't know whether Showtime is bringing them back for an 8th season. I'm as big a fan as anyone but even I think they should put it in park after this one.

I did cheer when Heylia came back last episode. That was nice.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: polkablues on August 04, 2011, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: theyarelegion on August 02, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
this show is like and filmed like one bad play going on forever and after the last episode i'm gonna skip watching any more...no thank you. why do we watch this shit? pure soap

I've spent a good two minutes now trying to make rhyme or reason of those words in that order. Please clarify.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: theyarelegion on August 09, 2011, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: polkablues on August 04, 2011, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: theyarelegion on August 02, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
this show is like and filmed like one bad play going on forever and after the last episode i'm gonna skip watching any more...no thank you. why do we watch this shit? pure soap

I've spent a good two minutes now trying to make rhyme or reason of those words in that order. Please clarify.

I've spent a good two minutes now trying to understand what you find unclear. Please clarify.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on September 27, 2011, 02:25:10 PM
Well, the season (series?) finale was last night.  Though the series has drifted far from its roots, I can't help but have enjoyed this last season.  The finale, I think, was especially poignant.  My favorite part was the scene between Andy and Silas at the funeral.  Andy, some sort of moral center, finally figuring it out, bringing everyone together.  I thought the flash forward was a nice touch.  A possible reset, with shit set to hit the fan (yet again) if they go on with the eighth season.  I will look forward to seeing where it goes (as long as they didn't shoot Nancy in the head).  But, hey, make a decision, go with it, writers.  No copout ending bullshit.  Though I haaaate Jill it would be interesting to see if they make her a regular next year.  And Shane as a cop?  Yeesh.

Oh, and an interview with Jenji Kohan (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid893093087001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAAAA9pg~,GnOHJwU2r3vZNi075EGUjHGkJvbwBMZJ&bctid=1183551233001).
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on September 28, 2011, 04:45:01 PM
I've always enjoyed this series, and the latter seasons are even better (and  crazier).

SPOILS

it felt like a finale, but in that int. you posted she talks about doing S8, so Nancy cannot be done, can she? that would be crazy, doing another season without her unless they do it in flash backs  :yabbse-undecided:

I hope showtime green lights one more season. also she talks that the shooter is someone from her not so recent past...
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on April 03, 2012, 06:02:31 PM
Wicked World Weeds Season 8 Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LZsOMfICVGY)
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on June 26, 2012, 02:24:08 AM
https://www.facebook.com/EpisodesOnShowtime/app_130744600388936

You can watch the premiere after watching Episodes for a bit.  For me, it froze after 21 minutes in (though I only had to watch like 10 minutes of Episodes to see it).  YMMV.

I don't really care about all the shark cries that rose then faded long ago.  Last season, and I want to enjoy it, just 'cause the characters are all so great.  "Surreal," as Andy put it, is the best way to describe the events of the premiere.  Little Boxes is back, and that new opener was a nice little trip down nostalgia lane.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on July 09, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
Yeah I love the new title sequence too and I'm glad the song is back. Last night's episode was a little ridiculous but this is the last season and I'm not giving up now. I do think it's just gonna be you and me in here ono. The rest of the internet seems to have given up on this show a while ago.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on July 10, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: ©brad on July 09, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
I do think it's just gonna be you and me in here ono. The rest of the internet seems to have given up on this show a while ago.

hey, ive been with you all these years!

man I love watching mary-louise parker.

I really think this is one of the best comedies ever regarding consistency, most series with 8+ seasons tend to lose its wit, balls, creativity, but not weeds, so far I havent disliked a single one.

these two episodes were good, right now shes changed as in she wants to do good but still deal. and as usual I have no idea where this will go.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 06, 2012, 09:37:31 PM
6 eps in. So far so bad. It's not interesting enough to even bitch about.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ono on August 06, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
Agreed.  Sigh.  After that whole roller derby episode (I don't CARE about evil sister's bitchy kids) I didn't watch the next week's, so I'm a couple eps behind.  Whatta whole blah damn bad way for this show to go out.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 07, 2012, 04:16:06 PM
Ending it at the finale of season 6 with Nancy getting caught at the airport would have been the perfect ending to the series.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: Fernando on August 08, 2012, 02:42:01 PM
yep, it hasnt been good, but the ending of the last episode gave me hope.
Title: Re: Weeds (showtime)
Post by: ©brad on August 08, 2012, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: ono on August 06, 2012, 10:50:22 PM(I don't CARE about evil sister's bitchy kids)

Jill is just a dreadful character with absolutely no redeeming quality. I love JJL but goddamn she drags down every freakin' scene she's in. I can't believe they're really doing another pregnancy story.