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Hey, this is shooting right now in NYC with Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet.
I found the script but lets keep that our secret *ssshhhhhhhh*



http://www.discoverkate.com/movies/eternal-sunshine/eternal-sunshine-script.html

Enjoy.

man, WE are film geek nerds!  the one's like in JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK.

*rudie*

Cleveland doesnt rock. It in fact sucks. As do you.

Try and show some love on this forum and you get shat upon. what gives people?

if anything, the last comment i posted was all in good fun.  notice i said "we"?  i'm a nerd too man!  it's cool, i ain't baggn'

*rudie*

Back to the initial topic at hand...I followed that link and immediately read the screenplay. It's fantastic. I hope Michel Gondry can pull it off...it's going to be tough, technically. But it's a beautiful story, very emotional, and potentially could be better than Adaptation. It's also the first Kaufman script that hasn't suffered a weak third act.

Thanks for posting it!

thanks for the link!  read the beginning and the end, which probably wasn't a smart thing to do.  i'll give it a full lookover on the weekend but from what i see it looks to be pretty strange and wonderful.

Rudie, sorry. I misread the comments. i am the one that sucks. not you. Forgiveness?

word!

Now just a little hug...





Oh, yeah... that's the spot....




Seriously, though... "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind" is a great title.  Charlie Kaufman is a great writer.  Michel Gondry has the potential to be a great director.  Kate Winslet is wicked hot and a fine actress to boot.  Jim Carrey is.  It oughta be good.

ah, yes. i was just about to give the link as well.
i was going to read the beginning and i never found a stopping place.
wow. this will be good.
this should be interesting. i've never read a screenplay before seeing it.
in my imagination i saw the red headed girl in Adaptation as Mary, the secretary.
i'm not sure i can invision Carrey as the lead. although i love his goofiness and have missed him doing something like Dumb & Dumber, i hope he's restrained on this one.
i can't really picture Dunst as the secretary either. oh well, i can't wait to see it.
it definitely has the possibility of being better than BJM or Adaptation.....i've yet to see Human Nature of COADM........i wonder how they will film the fading memories........maybe a little like Keaton in Sherlock, Jr.

I think Eternal Sunshine is the best Kaufman script [I enjoyed Adaptation, but this is much more human] so far. I think it is a shame that Jonze isn't directing it though; it seems to be more his kind of deal than Adaptation was [I felt that he didn't know how to direct the film until the third act]. Kate Winslet has the best female role I've ever read here. It is so real and true and wonderful, and if she pulls it off, well...

The sky is the limit.

Quote from: The Silver BulletI felt that he didn't know how to direct the film until the third act

please tell me that you got the whole joke of the third act

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I've read the script [before I saw the film] and I thought it was ingenius and I thought the joke was brilliant and everything. But what I'm saying is that Jonze didn't know how to direct the first two acts, and then he finally found ground he was familiar with in hte third. Don't worry, I get it. But having read the script beforehand I felt as though the first two acts could have been much more beautifully done. In the third it reaches a level of absurdity that is on par with Malkovich, and it was then that Jonze really made the film his. I loved the film [fourth best of the year in my opinion], but only because of the performances and the script. In terms of directorial vision, I don't think Jonze was particularly comfortable until that third act, when he instinctively knew how do pull it off.

But yes. I got the joke of the third act. Thanks for caring.

Charlie Kauffman = Philip K Dick?

Anyone else notices alot of similarities in Kauffman's stuff and that of author Philip K Dick. Especially in the title of this one Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Confessions of a Dangerous Mind?

Quote from: SubstanceDConfessions of a Dangerous Mind

Kaufman didn't come up with that title; it was the name of the Chuck Barris autobiography.

Quote from: SubstanceDCharlie Kauffman = Philip K Dick?

Anyone else notices alot of similarities in Kauffman's stuff and that of author Philip K Dick. Especially in the title of this one Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Confessions of a Dangerous Mind?

it definitely is prob an influence. he was hired to do an adaptation of Dick's (haha) Scanner Darkly. apparently they didn't like his work on it though and they're not going to use it.
i read that at beingcharliekaufman.com.......or whatever it is

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he was hired to do an adaptation of Dick's (haha) Scanner Darkly. apparently they didn't like his work on it though and they're not going to use it.

a scanner darkly is a phillip k dick novel about a narcotics agent who persues a drug addict who turns out to be the agent's alter ego. another personality of the same person. given that the script kaufman produced was rejected, i am assuming that donald kaufman's 'the three' is intended to mock the absurdity of darkly's concept.

Quote from: ludovicoi am assuming that donald kaufman's 'the three' is intended to mock the absurdity of darkly's concept.

u are winner.

a scanner darkly is really good tho. the difficulty in adapating it as kaufman points out is that a lot of it is about what isn't seen, and at the same time there is no real payoff. so even tho it's in his range, if he's like Dick, he won't be doin it for a while.

Quote from: The Silver BulletI felt that he didn't know how to direct the film until the third act.

I felt the opposite way. I felt everything was perfect until that horrible third act which completely ruined the film for me.

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Quote from: The Silver BulletI felt that he didn't know how to direct the film until the third act.

I felt the opposite way. I felt everything was perfect until that horrible third act which completely ruined the film for me.

:shock:

Did you get the joke?   Or did you get it and not appreciate it?

does anyone visit the Being Charlie Kaufman site? i think they changed addresses, my bookmark doesn't work...could someone link me please? thanks

Quote from: bigideasdoes anyone visit the Being Charlie Kaufman site? i think they changed addresses, my bookmark doesn't work...could someone link me please? thanks

http://www.beingcharliekaufman.com

thanks for the link. guess i should have tried the obvious
=)

QuoteDid you get the joke?

I hate the way that the moment someone says they disliked the third act of Adaptation, the supporters attack said person's intelligence with, "Did you even get it?"

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QuoteDid you get the joke?

I hate the way that the moment someone says they disliked the third act of Adaptation, the supporters attack said person's intelligence with, "Did you even get it?"

I didn't mean that in an attack-like tone, and I realize some people do say it that way. Text cannot convey what my mind means to say.

hold on.  hold on.

did they just change the title to admiring kate?  did they just change the title to admiring kate?

i want to die, now.  i want to die.

Quote from: sphinxhold on.  hold on.

did they just change the title to admiring kate?  did they just change the title to admiring kate?

i want to die, now.  i want to die.

nope...

http://www.admiringkate.com/

whew

OK, can someone send me the script (or a link for it)  I can't get the original link to work.

Quote from: StringstrokerOK, can someone send me the script (or a link for it)  I can't get the original link to work.

It's a PDF file:
http://wave.prohosting.com/dabrast2/eternal-sunshine-script.pdf

Man, you rock.  Thanks. :-D

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Quote from: EL__SCORCHO

Quote from: The Silver BulletI felt that he didn't know how to direct the film until the third act.

I felt the opposite way. I felt everything was perfect until that horrible third act which completely ruined the film for me.

:shock:

Did you get the joke?   Or did you get it and not appreciate it?

I got the joke, but I thought it was kind of lame. I liked the first 2/3 so much that I just wanted it to keep going that way and ditch the joke.

Wow. Just finished reading this. I'm not too sure about the cast, but I really hope they can pull this off.

H-e-double hockey sticks YEAH!!!!!!

Mark Ruffalo is in this

Release Date Shifts: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" has been delayed to early 2004.

Quote from: MacGuffinRelease Date Shifts: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" has been delayed to early 2004.

what? yeah i guess there's way too much shit happening at the end of the year anyway. but that sucks tho, no oscar cleanup.

yeah, this is great news.  they're burying it.  lets look at history...

being john malkovich november 1999
human nature april 2002
adaptation december 2002
confessions of a dangerous mind january 2003

hmm.  which two of those were successful, and which two opened without making so much as a peep at the box office?  see what a difference a month or two makes?  great.

this movie will be shit i predict right now, when jim carrey trys to branch out he sucks the life out of whatever that project is and he comes across as trying to hard

and charlie kaufman is over rated the only reason he is so hot right now is because nobody is trying to do anything differnt and he is, but he is way to self important and not interesting enough a person to earn that right


morris day from the time is self important , but the man earned the right at birth

charlie kaufman is a self hating " i go to my shrink 5 times a week" whiney loser"

and the best parts of being john malcovich wernt his ideas, like charlie sheen as the ironic best friend that wasnt in the script i think spike thought it would be funny , and charlie was in on the joke and played it well with modesty and class and came across looking cool

and the other cool shit in the film was also spikes directing

fuck charlie kaufman

Kaufman's concepts and ideas give Jonze a hard-on to direct it, so he must be doing something right.

I see what you mean thought about the guy. But really... the movie is going to be great. How can it fail?

Quote from: CinephileKaufman's concepts and ideas give Jonze a hard-on to direct it, so he must be doing something right.

I see what you mean thought about the guy. But really... the movie is going to be great. How can it fail?

no spike is a smart guy he is trying to show that he is not a one trick pony

he can make films like adapation and then make jackass whiche he pretty much helped create

but he is better then kaufman who i think is over rated, like i said nobody in hollywood is trying anything differnt and he is, so he is the soup dejour

but differnt does not always mean good

i just dont find him to be interesting, and that part about him not writting in the script charlie sheen just said it all to me

because it was such a great idea, two guys who have nothing in common playing best pals

and sheen at the end bald, that was great

and god that part about the kathrine keener turning out to be a lesbian, how wrong is that

just because she is strong willed she must be a dyke ?????

hack writting one O 1

u just hate him cos he's jewish.

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no spike is a smart guy he is trying to show that he is not a one trick pony

but he is better then kaufman who i think is over rated

I never said Spike was shit. He's a very talented director (and I liked him in Three Kings).

So Spike is 'better than Kaufman'...... I think you should be using one of your analogies right about now, dontcha think?  :wink:

Quote from: Pu just hate him cos he's jewish.

yes me and him discussed that today at our "Zionist Organization of America" convenetion at the ramada inn

" charlie your making us non jews who get called jews by euro trash nazi's , look bad when you bitch and whine like a fag, be a man , get pussy you are the hottest writter in hollywood go out and fuck every hot chick who wants a career and leave the psychologist visits  alone................ get laid "

Trailer here (http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=rnv-56-p.1228107-114982,rnv-100-p.1228108-114982,wmv-56-p.1228110-114982,rnv-300-p.1228109-114982,wmv-100-p.1228111-114982,wmv-300-p.1228112-114982) in crappy streaming.

Is it now required that Charlie Kaufman movies have to have ELO's "Mr. Blue Sky" in their trailers?

Anybody know what song that is in the trailer?

Quote from: Teen WolfAnybody know what song that is in the trailer?

Quote from: MacGuffinIs it now required that Charlie Kaufman movies have to have ELO's "Mr. Blue Sky" in their trailers?

Quicktime (and other formats) Trailer up now here. (http://www.hollywood.com/multimedia/popup_Main.asp?media=1729787)

Video Auteur Michel Gondry Goes From White Stripes To 'Eternal Sunshine'
Source: MTV.COM

Michel Gondry — director of innovative, eye-popping videos such as his latest for the White Stripes, "The Hardest Button to Button" — isn't resting on his creative laurels. He's putting the finishing touches on his second feature-length film, "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind."

"For me, it is very important not to repeat myself — go to a place I haven't been [creatively] before," Gondry said at the New York edition of Resfest, which closed with a retrospective of his work. "If the project is challenging, then it is more interesting personally."

"Sunshine," a dark psychological comedy, is set for release on March 19 and reunites the auteur with idiosyncratic "Adaptation" screenwriter Charlie Kaufman, who penned the original script for Gondry's feature debut, "Human Nature." The movie stars Jim Carrey, Kirsten Dunst, Elijah Wood and Kate Winslet and concerns a man who elects to undergo an experimental surgery to have his memories removed after his girlfriend does the same.

"[Kaufman's] scripts had a lot of recognition [initially], but people never dared to make them," Gondry said. "Spike [Jonze] and I were the first ones to give [Kaufman] a chance. So now I think he feels safe working with us."

While Carrey and Winslet play estranged lovers, veteran actor Tom Wilkinson ("In the Bedroom") portrays the doctor who ascribes to the motto "ignorance is bliss" by erasing his patients' unhappy memories. Elijah Wood and Kirsten Dunst play Wilkinson's technicians.

A mock advertisement Lacuna Inc., the company headed by Wilkinson's character, can be found at lacunainc.com. Much like the fake voicemail that Paul Thomas Anderson created for Tom Cruise's misogynistic character in "Magnolia," the site purports to be for a real medical firm that can help visitors book mind-erasing procedures.

While Gondry has worked with plenty of A-listers, there is one star who keeps alluding him: Michael Jackson. "'Butterfly,' I think, is one of [Jackson's] best songs ever, and I've asked millions of times to do a video for him [for that song]," the director said. "I've even said I'd do it for free, and I get no response."

Ultimately, it may matter little, as Gondry — who has lensed six videos for Björk and three for the White Stripes — has a fondness for sticking with the same creative peers. After he's finished with "Sunshine," Gondry will once again work with his "Human Nature" stars Patricia Arquette and Rhys Ifan on his third feature, "The Science of Sleep," which will also include Drew Barrymore.

"I like [forging] relationships with artists where you build a trust that is comfortable and you can both grow," Gondry said. "Without it, you have to convince people that you understand their artistic intentions."

Based on a story he wrote, Gondry said "Sleep" would be aesthetically more akin to his video work and described the plot as concerning "a man who learns to manipulate his dreams and then ends up being trapped in them." The film is set to start production in 2004.

In the interim, a DVD compilation titled "The Work of Director Michel Gondry" will be available on October 28.

Quote from: MacGuffinRelease Date Shifts: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" has been delayed to early 2004.

I just checked on IMDb.com, and now it's listed as having a limited release in November, with a wider release coming in April 2004.  Seems to me a lot of movies trying to get in for "Oscar" follow a similar pattern, though they don't wait all the way until April for a wide release.

That was the original plan, but they gave up on the Oscar idea a while back.

This looks really appealing. I enjoyed Gondry's last film, apparently more so than many...

Quote from: godardianThis looks really appealing. I enjoyed Gondry's last film, apparently more so than many...

I was really hyped on seeing Human Nature, but was kinda let down when I saw it.  But I gave it a second viewing on dvd and liked it a whole lot more (my expectations were Jonze and I got something different).  

Can't wait to see 'Sunshine,' the script is so freakin' good.  I can only imagine what the visuals are going to be like (staying away from the trailer as much as humanly possible).

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Quote from: MacGuffinRelease Date Shifts: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" has been delayed to early 2004.

I just checked on IMDb.com, and now it's listed as having a limited release in November, with a wider release coming in April 2004.  Seems to me a lot of movies trying to get in for "Oscar" follow a similar pattern, though they don't wait all the way until April for a wide release.

so, is sony releasing this one or what?

Oh thank god they moved it up a month. That would have been ridiculous to wait all the way till April. I'm a huge fan of Gondry's, can't wait to pick up the dvd Tuesday to get back in the feeling, still can't believe they released it. I actually have yet to see Human Nature, it just sounds kinda dumb to me. This one sounds A LOT better though, can't wait till March.

Quote from: ebeamanOh thank god they moved it up a month. That would have been ridiculous to wait all the way till April. I'm a huge fan of Gondry's, can't wait to pick up the dvd Tuesday to get back in the feeling, still can't believe they released it. I actually have yet to see Human Nature, it just sounds kinda dumb to me. This one sounds A LOT better though, can't wait till March.

yeah if you're a fan of gondry, i would say skip Human Nature.  dont tarnish his image.

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Quote from: ebeamanOh thank god they moved it up a month. That would have been ridiculous to wait all the way till April. I'm a huge fan of Gondry's, can't wait to pick up the dvd Tuesday to get back in the feeling, still can't believe they released it. I actually have yet to see Human Nature, it just sounds kinda dumb to me. This one sounds A LOT better though, can't wait till March.

yeah if you're a fan of gondry, i would say skip Human Nature.  dont tarnish his image.

Right right, that's what I was thinking. I may see it sooner or later but Sunshine will definitely be my first Gondry feature.

From www.director-file.com

One review from director Ruben Fleischer: "Monday night was the funnest in a long time. ... It was rad. I knew a bunch of people at the party, and Bjork dj'ed. Jon Brion was there, which I was so stoked about because I hadn't seen him in a long time. He's doing the score for Gondry's new film starring Jim Carey [sic]. Pretty exciting. It was a great party and lots of good times were had by all."

did anybody else know that brion was doing the score for this? This kicks so much ass

Quote from: MeatwadFrom www.director-file.com

One review from director Ruben Fleischer: "Monday night was the funnest in a long time. ... It was rad. I knew a bunch of people at the party, and Bjork dj'ed. Jon Brion was there, which I was so stoked about because I hadn't seen him in a long time. He's doing the score for Gondry's new film starring Jim Carey [sic]. Pretty exciting. It was a great party and lots of good times were had by all."

did anybody else know that brion was doing the score for this? This kicks so much ass

I was just coming on here to post that.  That is very cool.  I am so psyched to see this movie, especially after watching Gondry's DVD.  Did anyone else get the DVD and see the short film with David Cross dressed as shit and following his "daddy" around town asking him why he didn't look at him anymore?

Quote from: Onomatopoeia

Quote from: MacGuffinRelease Date Shifts: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" has been delayed to early 2004.

I just checked on IMDb.com, and now it's listed as having a limited release in November, with a wider release coming in April 2004.  Seems to me a lot of movies trying to get in for "Oscar" follow a similar pattern, though they don't wait all the way until April for a wide release.

From Entertainment Weekly:
The Charlie Kaufman-scripted dramedy, originally set for release in November, is now scheduled for March 19, 2004, according to a Focus Features rep. Why the holdup? It seems director Michel Gondry is still tinkering with the film, which wrapped in March.

"Sun is shining in the sky...there ain't a cloud in sight" Gotta love some ELO. This film is gonna be trippy.

are you being sarcastic?

no, i'm pretty sure he was serious.

sounds like a joke

What, exactly, sounds like a joke? I'm lost.

EDIT: Never mind. This post is the result of my mis-reading an earlier post, combining it mentally in my head with another post that I thought was part of this thread, and overall just trying too hard to be funny. Ignore me.

:lol:      I am being totally serious. I had just seen the trailer, which I love. I got hooked on the song from one of the Adaptation trailers I saw over and over. The song gets me amped even more for this film. I can't wait.

but I read at the kaufman forum that the delay is because Focus wanted to fuck with it after they tested it and the audience wanted a comedy and they were unclear on things and blah blah blah. If this is the case...I will rage. If it isn't shifting release dates it's this horseshit

Death to screenings! Why trust millions to the director and crew to make something, then trust the final theatrical cut to a bunch of teenagers yanked from the mall?

Quote from: meatballDeath to screenings! Why trust millions to the director and crew to make something, then trust the final theatrical cut to a bunch of teenagers yanked from the mall?

So agreed.

It doesn't sound like Focus to do something like that, though.

Well, I say we throw test audiences in the river.  

If they float, they're guilty.  If they sink and drown, well, then they're innocent.

better yet, death to trailers.

long live teasers.

Quote from: godardianThis looks really appealing. I enjoyed Gondry's last film, apparently more so than many...

i love Human Nature. i think Tim Robbins' performance is amazing. i really don't understand why this film doesn't get more recognition. maybe it's just really hard for people to watch a movie that stars a woman with a fur coat.

i just read that Brion is doing the score. that's great. it's going to be interesting to see how he scores the "erase" sequences (i don't think this is a spoiler, if you've read any descriptions or seen the trailers you know this)

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w/ the exception of dunnst..thats a near perfect cast...

with the inclusion of dunst, that's a perfect cast.

posters are most excellent.

yes. i'm gonna quote them so ppl of this page can appreciate em sum more..

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yummers.

excellent posters. Seeing them twice made me like them even more

Quote from: Pwith the inclusion of dunst, that's a perfect cast.

that was a good one.  those posters are great.  i hope this is as good as it looks and not as okay as it could be.

:? ..whats up w/ the high praISE  for dunnst.....
here is my analogy....

dunst:whihterspoon:stiles:michelle- gellar:mandy moore:spears:love-heweitt:

there all 100% pure wisconsin cheese.......(mtv movie staples)..they represent all  of that h$llyW$$d bullsh*t made just more monney and nno creative art to it..........
dunnnnst reminnds me of the type of girl that would do tricks off of a huffy bicycle ..and do cartwheels along the yard  and spout'n generic catchphrases....


FREE ADVICE:  this would be perfect if amannda peet was in dunst's place

I'd love to give Kirsten the benefit of the doubt, but these quotes (and some of the movies she's been in) don't bode too well for her.

Quote from: Kirsten Dunst said rather thanOn turning down the role of Angela in "American Beauty": "When I read it, I was 15 and I don't think I was mature enough to understand the script's material. I didn't want to be kissing Kevin Spacey. Come on! Lying there naked with rose petals?"

Yeah, I'm glad she stayed away from this movie.  Not because I don't think she could pull it off as an actress, but because she obviously doesn't get it, and probably still doesn't.

Quote from: Kirsten Dunst said rather thanBoys frustrate me. I hate all their indirect messages, I hate game playing. Do you like me or don't you? Just tell me so I can get over you.

Why would I cry over a boy? I would never waste my tears on a boy. Why waste your tears on someone who makes you cry?

Change "boy" to "girl" and you have a more accurate statement.  Heh.

Quote from: Kirsten Dunst said rather thanBoys frustrate me. I hate all their indirect messages, I hate game playing. Do you like me or don't you? Just tell me so I can get over you.

Why would I cry over a boy? I would never waste my tears on a boy. Why waste your tears on someone who makes you cry?

.......hahahahhhah..thats some funnny sh*t...thannnks Onno..

this crap reminnds me of something that you would read in an issue of seventeen magazine...... :roll:

Fantastic trailer and now fantastic posters. Hopefully the movie follows the same.

Jim Carrey. Charlie Kaufman. Kirsten Dunst. Jon Brion. Hell yeah. Can't wait.

New Quicktime trailer:

Hi-Res (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1254273&sdm=web&qtw=480&qth=300)

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even though i didnt like Human Nature, i have faith (unless he fucks up something major) this will be Top 10 material.  it looks great, i think.

I see what they're doing with this one. Great though, Mr Blue Sky sounds great in the cinema. And I like that they've used my favourite portion of the song (the second half).

awesome. i think i like the new trailer better.

This looks very good. Can't wait.

teaser is better than this trailer, but this movie just might kick serious ass.

give a shit about trailers, without spoiling half the movie for myself by watching that tool of the devil, i just KNOW this WILL ROCK MY WORLD, cos dunst/winslet is hot and stuff.

i've only seen one pic from the set, of winslet or sumone on a statue of an elephant. that says it all really, brilliant idea.

pretty certain this will be the best movie of the year now. what with pre-judging getting so advanced and all.

i think i messed things up by reading the script......it was just so great, i don't think anything can beat my imagination........i'm not too sure Carrey can pull of a Kaufman character either......but then again, I loved Human Nature

Human Nature was....::sigh::

Human Nature was/is underrated

I loved this trailer! The Beautiful Mind score, which was probably the best thing about that movie (didn't think I'd ever say that about a James Horner score post 1995), works better here than it did there.

I think Human Nature is fairly underrated, even though it's not really great. It's got a lot of really good material in it -- like all of Kaufman's scripts so far (except for this one, from what I could tell when reading it), it fell apart in the third act, but not on any disastrous level. Here's hoping Gondry knocks this one out of the park.

I like the teaser.

Quote from: bigideasHuman Nature was/is underrated

Completely agree.

..well...on the swimming pool dvd i saw the trailer i guess....and even though kristen dunnnce is in this i stillbeieve that even though her presence is in this film ....ESOTSM will survive.....



flatline.

I'm really digging the trailor. Whoever made it deserves a pat on the back.

hwahwhahwawhawhahhaa (http://homepage.mac.com/filmlovermarla/iMovieTheater24.html)aaaaahahah

LOL

Jim Carrey is just the GREATEST... I love everything he does...

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Jim Carrey is just the GREATEST... I love everything he does...

he annoys me

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Quote from: andykLOL

Jim Carrey is just the GREATEST... I love everything he does...

he annoys me

Your mom annoys me. Dee-zam!

This may be a long shot, but the distorted size thing is probably a rip-off of the Dutch film The Sea That Thinks.

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Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis may be a long shot, but the distorted size thing is probably a rip-off of the Dutch film The Sea That Thinks.

...you've seen that film?!  Talk about coincidences.  Check out this thread (http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5363).

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Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis may be a long shot, but the distorted size thing is probably a rip-off of the Dutch film The Sea That Thinks.

...you've seen that film?!  Talk about coincidences.  Check out this thread (http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5363).

I saw it at a film festival on my birthday, believe it or not.

GREAT MOVIE.

I was completely blown away.

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well, the tagline sucks, the colours are great.

Is that the final poster for the film? I like the other one better with the eyes cut out. I am so amped for this film. It will most likely be top 10. I hope it doesn't disappoint....not a chance.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis may be a long shot, but the distorted size thing is probably a rip-off of the Dutch film The Sea That Thinks.

I really hope you are joking...

If not, you are right.. it is a long shot, because forced perspective is nothing new.

Next.

I impatiently await more of Charlie Kaufman's genius...

He's never let me down yet.   ...yet.

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Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis may be a long shot, but the distorted size thing is probably a rip-off of the Dutch film The Sea That Thinks.

I really hope you are joking...

If not, you are right.. it is a long shot, because forced perspective is nothing new.

Next.

All snobbery aside, where else has this been used? I'm interested.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanAll snobbery aside, where else has this been used? I'm interested.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113419/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097523/

(Hahahahaha.)

Sometimes, I wish I was joking.

This one, though, is a bit more admirable:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098912/

:lol:

Okay, those are fantasy movies... I'm talking about a literal sudden transformation type thing in kind of a normal atmosphere.

Like Jim Carrey one day finds himself smaller than his kitchen (which is exactly the kind of thing that happens in The Sea that Thinks). Know what I mean?

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Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanAll snobbery aside, where else has this been used? I'm interested.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113419/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097523/

(Hahahahaha.)

Sometimes, I wish I was joking.

This one, though, is a bit more admirable:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098912/

The FP in the LOTR films is the most impressive though, set up so they can actually move the camera.

edit: pictorial spoilers


This is specifically what struck me:

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(and notice the creepy subtlety, how it scales up from the first one)

mmm spoiler dicussion.

I'm seeing a screening of this Feb. 24. I can't wait- I enjoyed Human Nature a lot and this one just looks really interesting.

Quote from: Satcho9Hey, this is shooting right now in NYC with Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet.
I found the script but lets keep that our secret *ssshhhhhhhh*



http://www.discoverkate.com/movies/eternal-sunshine/eternal-sunshine-script.html

Enjoy.

Great trailer by the way on the Lost in Translation DVD. I'm sure it was mentioned already and the link will be provided by Macguffin shortly. (Don't let me down man..)

That is all.

Quote from: MyxomatosisGreat trailer by the way on the Lost in Translation DVD. I'm sure it was mentioned already and the link will be provided by Macguffin shortly. (Don't let me down man..)

Go back 2 pages.

http://www.beingcharliekaufman.com/

i bookmark this site and check pretty regularly.
they've posted links to two reviews of the film and both have been very positive!! i was worried about Carrey and the material, but apparently he nails it.

Quote from: bigideasi was worried about Carrey and the material, but apparently he nails it.

I think Jim Carrey is just phenomenal as an actor.  I think he can play any role and pull it off.

this movie is defiently going to put Gondry on the map. i'm assuming the movie will have several technical achievements, but what i'm curious about is the score. anyone hear anything about the score?

Quote from: SmellyBoobFungusthis movie is defiently going to put Gondry on the map. i'm assuming the movie will have several technical achievements, but what i'm curious about is the score. anyone hear anything about the score?

I heard Jon Brion may be doing the music. Not sure if it's true. Carter Burwell would have been a good choice IMO. But Brion is great also.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338013/releaseinfo

wonder why the french aren't screening gondry's flick. or is imdb unreliable on this account?

Great avatar Mac. I think that kid was the most hilarious American Idol contestant ever. I was cracking up so hard when that kid came on. With all the promos shown of him before hand, I just knew he would be hilarious.  I think they should vote that guy back in for the wildcard.  :lol:

Quote from: filmboy70Great avatar Mac. I think that kid was the most hilarious American Idol contestant ever. I was cracking up so hard when that kid came on. With all the promos shown of him before hand, I just knew he would be hilarious.  I think they should vote that guy back in for the wildcard.  :lol:

You must mean this performance:
http://members.cox.net/donchin/WilliamHung.wmv

I kinda felt sad watching it.

Poor guy. He's just a poor little chinese guy, what's the point of being a jerk to him. I would've paid to vote for this poor little chinese guy. I mean come ON, he's just a little chinese guy who likes american music. If he was like a little american gay guy I don't know, but this harmless poor chinese guy. God.

Simon Cowell is annoying as hell. His asshole character is boring, boring, boring.

That kid doesn't care... he's like a local celebrity now where he lives, they have karaoke night at the bar he goes to and they have him just sing that song over and over again.  They really get into it too.

Quote from: Pas RapportI would've paid to vote for this poor little chinese guy.

http://www.petitiononline.com/whfox2k4/petition.html

Quote from: RegularKarateThat kid doesn't care... he's like a local celebrity now where he lives, they have karaoke night at the bar he goes to and they have him just sing that song over and over again.  They really get into it too.

He's giving appearances at UC Berkley:
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He's been on Entertainment Tonight, in the San Francisco Cronicle, in People magazine and Jimmy Falon parodied him on SNL.

I think William Hung is a spiritual master. His words after his glorious performance can be translated easily into : ''You are a fool for laughing at me, but since I am a great master I will not tell you. I will rather advise you with these wise words''

I think he's admirable. We could all learn from him.

"I already gave my best.  
I have no regrets at all."
--William Hung

2004 American Idol Auditions

yes, let's all feel better about ourselves now.

i can't believe that many people turned out at UC Berkley to see this guy.

It looks like he got some hot tang out of it.

Quote from: meatwadi can't believe that many people turned out at UC Berkley to see this guy.

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those pictures really really look like photoshops, though.

and still, no one has acknowledged jon brion.

Quote from: Single-serving Friendand still, no one has acknowledged jon brion.

read the whole thread
http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=366&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

CD Tracklisting..

1. Jon Brion - Theme
2. Electric Light Orchestra - Mr. Blue Sky
3. Jon Brion - Collecting Things
4. The Polyphonic Spree - Light and Day
5. Jon Brion - Bookstore
6. The Polyphonic Spree - It's The Sun
7. Lata Mangeshkar - Wada Na Tod
8. Jon Brion - Showtime
9. Beck (with Jon Brion) - Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
10. Jon Brion - Sidewalk Fight
11. Don Nelson - Some Kind of Shuffle
12. Jon Brion - Howard Makes It All Go Away
13. The Willowz - Something
14. Jon Brion - Postcard
15. The Willowz - I Wonder
16. Jon Brion - Peer Pressure
17. Jon Brion - A Dream Upon Waking
18. Jon Brion - Strings That Tie To You
19. Jon Brion - Phone Call
20. Don Nelson - Nola's Bounce
21. Jon Brion - Down The Drain
22. Jon Brion - Row
23. Jon Brion - Drive In
24. Jon Brion - Main Title
25. Jon Brion - Spotless Mind
26. Jon Brion - Elephant Parade

damn i love Jon Brion

Also.. http://www.eternalsunshine.com/ the "other" official website (not www.lacunainc.com) has changed it's look and looks like it will be the place for images, and other REAL info about the movie.

I saw this yesterday. It was really very good- I was starting to dislike it towards the halfway mark (for some pretty glaring POV issues re: Winslet's character), but then a lot of levelling sweetness (not sappiness) and understanding and intelligence floods back in in the second half to give the film perspective. In some ways it's better than Human Nature. In other ways it's not as good.

How was the Jon Brion score? And the Jim Carrey performance?

By the time I finally see this, I should have almost completely forgotten about what happens in the script, but not that upon reading it I thought it could be the best Charlie Kaufman movie yet; thus, my hopes are high.

i really can not stress the fact enough that i WANT to see this movie soooo bad.

Jon Brion's doing the score? Awesome! I thought he'd only do it to PTA films.

TV Spot with new footage here. (http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/DEFGH/Eternal-Sunshine-Of-The-Spotless-Mind/tvspot/)

Quote from: QuoyleJon Brion's doing the score? Awesome! I thought he'd only do it to PTA films.

well he does the scores for most of the movies he can get near, Paul Thomas Anderson apparently is the only one who likes his work

Quote from: MacGuffinTV Spot with new footage here. (http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/DEFGH/Eternal-Sunshine-Of-The-Spotless-Mind/tvspot/)

Good one... I so want to see this movie right away!

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Quote from: QuoyleJon Brion's doing the score? Awesome! I thought he'd only do it to PTA films.

well he does the scores for most of the movies he can get near, Paul Thomas Anderson apparently is the only one who likes his work

and you know this how?

i'm in the third row of his orchestra

yeah well i'm in the first row and i heard otherwise.

u third rowers are always making shit up.

any idea how wide of a release this is getting?

something tells me i'll have to wait for the DVD, just like Lost in Translation

Quote from: bigideasany idea how wide of a release this is getting?

i think the first week will open up in NY/LA, and probably the next weekend it will expand wider to cities like Boston, Chicago, and Gilmer TX.

wow. that should be interesting.
especially since there is no movie theater in Gilmer, TX

It looks okay.

I want to see some others... including Spider Man... Criminal... Oceans Twelve... The Village... Troy... damn there are a lot!!!!

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Quote from: bigideasany idea how wide of a release this is getting?

i think the first week will open up in NY/LA, and probably the next weekend it will expand wider to cities like Boston, Chicago, and Gilmer TX.

From //www.beingcharliekaufman.com

USA - 19 March 2004
Austria - 16 April 2004
Australia - 22 April 2004
Germany - 13 May 2004
Brazil - 21 May 2004
Argentina - 27 May 2004
Czech Republic - 27 May 2004
England - 30 June 2004
The Netherlands - 26 August 2004
Denmark - September 2004
Sweden - September 2004

It's supposed to be a wide release in the US.

I am so damn excited for this movie. Charlie Kaufman is genius. Fuckin' A. I want to marry that man.

Quote from: BethieDenmark - September 2004
Sweden - September 2004

What fuck? No way? I'm assuming this means Norway as well. Guess I'll be buying the DVD way before seeing it on the big screen...

Jim Carrey, Kate Winslet, Elijah Wood Bask In 'Eternal Sunshine' At Premiere

BEVERLY HILLS, California — "The Passion of the Christ" may have met its match, at least as far as source material is concerned.

"Charlie Kaufman — every time a script comes from him, it's the new gospel," Jim Carrey said at Tuesday's premiere of "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," another unique film written by "Being John Malkovich" and "Adaptation" screenwriter Kaufman.

Carrey, who stars in "Eternal Sunshine," was one of the many Hollywood elite who spent their stroll down the red carpet at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences singing the praises of Kaufman and director Michel Gondry, who debuted on the big screen with 2001's "Human Nature" but is best known for directing White Stripes and Björk videos. Elijah Wood, Kirsten Dunst and beau Jake Gyllenhaal, Carrey mentor Rodney Dangerfield, fellow comedian Gary Shandling and director Cameron Crowe also caught Tuesday's screening.

"Michel Gondry is like this underground swell happening," Carrey said. "And you love to be part of him bursting out, 'cause he's going to be a really important filmmaker for a long time."

Kate Winslet, who plays Carrey's love interest in the movie, was equally excited when she got an offer to make the movie.

"If I could be graphic for a moment, you pretty much pee your pants," she explained of the casting. "I never thought I would work with Michel Gondry, who's from the world of incredible music videos. And Charlie's a genius, so I thought, 'I want a slice of that.' "

Mark Ruffalo, who (along with Wood) plays a lab technician who erases Carrey's bad memories of his relationship with Winslet, thought the same thing when he read the script.

"I basically had to beg," he said. "Those two together are very exciting. They're very irreverent about filmmaking."

Not that Kaufman and Gondry got all the attention at the premiere. A bald Carrey, always a show stealer, was also a hot topic, although not for the usual stunt-pulling or wisecracking. His performance in the movie is garnering rave reviews and is said to be his most different, or anti-Ace Ventura, yet.

"I always knew he had it in him; he's always been an amazing actor," Elijah Wood said. "To see what he went through to achieve this was pretty extraordinary. It isn't at all the Jim Carrey we're familiar with. Emotionally, it was difficult for him, putting him in that space, pathetic and heartbroken, and I know he called on a lot of personal experiences to be that, which is wonderful."

Dunst was also surprised and impressed. "He was very introverted, listening to his music, not the Jim Carrey you think of," she said. "It's a hard role."

The humble Gondry gave the credit to Carrey and Kaufman.

"When you take an actor of this level, you want them to commit to the project even if it's not a big Hollywood movie and that's what he did," the director said. "He was here for the story. Everyone loves Charlie's script."

The script was certainly what attracted Carrey to the role.

"It was an opportunity to show a different side and relax a little bit and let the audience come to me instead of going to them," Carrey said. "It's a romantic movie, but it's not romanticized.

"And who hasn't been erased at some point?" he added with that familiar grin.

a bit late on that second scoop there mac.

Mini-Mac'd in the face, by about 5 months.. http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=81689

Fuckin' Leno. At the end of the Leno tonight, as he said his goodbyes, Leno said, "Elijah Wood! ... Gimme the movie." Elijah: "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind." Leno: "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind!" ... Fuckin' Leno.

Quote from: CinephileFuckin' Leno. At the end of the Leno tonight, as he said his goodbyes, Leno said, "Elijah Wood! ... Gimme the movie." Elijah: "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind." Leno: "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind!" ... Fuckin' Leno.

i don't get it.

or was that the joke?

if so...

i don't get it.

Leno is an idiot. He should know the titles of the movies the guests are there for. They sure aern't there out of enjoyment. Sadly, Lenos screw ups are the only good reasons to watch that show. Plus he has a hideous mug.

Well he didn't even know the title of the movie. It was like he threw out all the significance of the film's release. "Ugh, yeah, don't remember the title. Say it to the audience for me because I have no idea." Looked really stupid.

Quote from: CinephileFuckin' Leno. At the end of the Leno tonight, as he said his goodbyes, Leno said, "Elijah Wood! ... Gimme the movie." Elijah: "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind." Leno: "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind!" ... Fuckin' Leno.

I saw that too. I hate Leno. Elijah is adorable though.

Captain Video Prepares for Takeoff
Source: NY Times

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WHEN "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" opens next week, Michel Gondry is likely to be recognized as one of the most inventive filmmakers of his generation. But at his TriBeCa office one day last month, he looked more like a 5-year-old on his birthday.

As a boy, he once dreamed he had a bike with a cabinet attached in which he could stash found treasures. Now the cabinet-bike has led him to create a music video in which a man makes a car out of junk. At the office — so filled with colorful props it might be Toys R Us — a production meeting for that video became something like play time. The prop man, expected to bring a budget for the car, instead arrived carrying bits and pieces collected from the trash. As Mr. Gondry watched, a shopping cart became the car's chassis and a lawn chair the driver's seat, with a bathroom sink, a medicine cabinet and a wall phone fastened on. He picked up a wrench from the floor and placed it in the medicine cabinet, saying, "In my dream I would find something and put it in here." Then he sat in the car, put the phone to his ear and grinned. He may be 40, but he makes arrested development seem inspiring, and a very smart career move.

All this was for a work no one had even commissioned. But if Mr. Gondry's let's-make-a-video energy can inspire a prop guy to haul a sink to a business meeting, it can also fill the nerve-racking period before a film's release on March 19. "It's good for the brain to try to be creative at this moment," he said, volunteering that he is worried about how the movie will be received and whether it is any good.

"Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" is exceptionally good, a strange and touching romance about Joel and Clementine, a mismatched couple played by Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet, who choose to have their memories of each other erased after they break up. Most of the action takes place on the night the technicians — including Mark Ruffalo and Elijah Wood — are eliminating Joel's memories as he sleeps, and he recalls the relationship even while he's forgetting it.

With his poignant, toned-down performance, this may be the best work Jim Carrey has ever done. The intricate Charlie Kaufman script offers the mind-games of "Being John Malkovich" and "Adaptation," and then some. Yet this is distinctly a Michel Gondry film, and not simply because he collaborated on the story. The emotional warmth and tenderness — qualities not usually found in a brash Carrey blockbuster or a cerebral Kaufman screenplay — are typical of Mr. Gondry's work, drawn heavily from his own dreams and memories. "Eternal Sunshine" is filled with wit and magical images: Ms. Winslet's hair is bright blue one day, orange the next; Ms. Winslet and Mr. Carrey awake in a bed on a snowy beach. But it is also something of a love song to memory itself, arguing that even our painful memories should be treasured — as a hedge against the future, if not as tokens of love.

Although he directed one earlier feature, also from a Kaufman script — the 2001 comedy "Human Nature," which is surprisingly bland considering Patricia Arquette's character falls for a man raised as an ape — Mr. Gondry made his reputation as a creator of music videos and commercials. His work is so influential that you're familiar with it even if you haven't actually seen it.

The famous "bullet-time" effect in "The Matrix"? Borrowed from a video Mr. Gondry made for the Rolling Stones' version of "Like a Rolling Stone," in which Ms. Arquette walks through a party where time seems to have slowed. The current car commercial with a Honda Element made of Legos? Lifted from Mr. Gondry's most famous work, the all-Lego video for the White Stripes' "Fell in Love With a Girl." He was asked to direct the car commercial, he said, but turned it down, so the ad makers took his concept. "I just have my eyes to cry," he said about that, his French accent and inflection veering toward Inspector Clouseau much more than they usually do. He moved to New York from Paris a year and a half ago, and his English is perfectly good, even if he does call the star of his film "Jeem CAH-ray."

On the set, even when he was speaking English, "I was his translator," said Kate Winslet in a telephone interview. "Maybe because I'm European, I could always understand him. Jim would ask, `What did he want me to do?' and I would tell him."

Mr. Gondry didn't speak English while growing up in a middle-class family in Versailles, he said, but learned it when his career began to take off about six years ago. "It was a problem in the beginning, but I always used it as a buffer," he said of the language barrier. "When somebody asks me something and I don't have the answer, I have a little time of — `I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?' It's very helpful." Behind the boyish look — the polka-dot shirttails hanging out beneath the striped sweater — he's both shrewd and wry about his shrewdness

On the day a camera crew comes to his Greenwich Village apartment to shoot a promotional interview for the movie, he discovers that they've set up elaborate lighting in a nondescript room with a worktable. He immediately rejected the setting. The light was in his eyes and the backdrop looked boring. He asked the crew to shoot him in natural light, sitting on the unmade bed in his room.

But while he's his own best director, obviously in control of his image, the apartment where he lives with his 12-year-old son is a jumble of creative possibilities. The furniture might belong to a college student. One room has a laptop on the desk, an electric guitar on the floor, a drum kit — Mr. Gondry started making videos when he was the drummer in a French band called Oui Oui — and an unframed poster for "Eternal Sunshine," in which Joel and Clementine sprawl on a frozen river as if it were a sunny patch of grass in the park. As in his office, storyboard sketches and Legos are everywhere, along with yarn-covered props from "Walkie Talkie Man," his new video for the band Steriogram. In this buoyant, candy-colored video, the band members play yarn instruments and Mr. Gondry's son works the yarn sound-editing machine that now stands in their living room.

Surrounded by these funhouse props, he shows a short work-in-progress that turns out to be one of his most stunning, lyrical pieces. It is a test for a commercial for the French electric company, Électricité de France. There are swirling circles of light and bouquets of multicolored light bulbs; glimpses of the black-and-white tiles on his apartment floor; a brief view of a cityscape. But mostly this is a beautiful abstract light show set to Messiaen's music.

What look like high-tech effects were made quite simply, as most of his work is. He said he hung lights from string, swirled them around and shot. In the TriBeCa office a few days later he pointed out one of the homemade devices he used. It was another weird contraption — colored light bulbs mounted on a propeller-like piece of wood, attached to a fist-size motor that made the propeller turn. He switched it on and blew a fuse.

In that workshop-office, while the junk-car was being assembled, Mr. Gondry also chatted with two assistants and a production designer. He took part in a conference call from France about the electric company commercial, giving a thumbs-up when he learned he had the job. And he pointed out a zoetrope made of Legos, a prop he created last year to promote Palm Pictures' "Directors Label" series of DVD's, which included "The Work of Director Michel Gondry."

In addition to collecting his short pieces, he created something fresh for the DVD: a 75-minute autobiographical work, "I've Been 12 Forever," which offers a sly look at himself and his obsessions. It includes home movies and re-enacted scenes from his childhood and drawings and films based on his recurring nightmares. In the autobiography he says that four times a week, from ages 5 to 9, he dreamed that his hand had grown to an enormous size — an image that, the documentary points out, turns up in his video for the Foo Fighters' "Everlong," which is itself framed as a nightmare.

It's no wonder that someone so attached to his own memories responded to "Eternal Sunshine" when it was the germ of an idea. The artist Pierre Bismuth, a friend of Mr. Gondry, thought of a living-art project: he would send cards to people saying they had been erased from another person's memory. Mr. Gondry took this concept to Charlie Kaufman, whom he knew through Spike Jonze, who had directed "Being John Malkovich." In the Michel-Charlie-Spike trio — so artistically compatible, so competitive in a blatant yet friendly way — careers interlock all over the place.

Charlie and Michel took a five-minute pitch around to studios and sold the idea quickly, but Charlie had to finish "Adaptation" first, for Spike to direct. Michel was impatient to make a feature, so Charlie, who had wanted to direct "Human Nature" himself, turned his script over to Michel, with Spike as a producer.

"Human Nature" was poorly received. "I was really depressed," Mr. Gondry said, but he decided to do something constructive. "I took a notebook and I wrote all my problems and my ideas about the film — why I was upset by certain critics, what I thought was maybe true, and how I could change it." He ended up with 40 pages.

He said, "For instance, it was difficult for me to have Spike as a producer, because Spike directed videos after me and he always said he was inspired by me" — not stylistically, but in general — "and I kept reading that I was inspired by him." Looking back, Mr. Gondry realized that sometimes he resisted his friend's suggestions in a knee-jerk way.

His notebook includes suggestions, he said, "on how I should deal with Charlie as well, that is not always easy." On "Human Nature," he said, "I think I should have been a little bit stronger with Charlie maybe. We should have decided who was the main character of the story."

In a phone conversation, Mr. Kaufman pleasantly disagreed, saying, "I don't think in terms of main characters." But he saw the point of the self-correcting 40-page notebook, which "sounds like Michel," he said. "He's very meticulous, very kind of scientific in his approach to things."

Scientific in this crowd doesn't mean high-tech, though. In fact, Mr. Gondry and Mr. Kaufman agreed early on that they did not want the memory-erasing to become a distracting gimmick. There's the occasional wire attached to Mr. Carrey's head, but the focus is clearly on Joel and Clementine. He seems depressed even at his happiest; she is upbeat and flamboyant, especially when things so wrong; they are so destined for each another yet so doomed.

The actors play so strongly against type that Ms. Winslet even mentions it in the film's production notes, saying, "I'm playing `the Jim Carrey part,' and Jim's playing `the Kate Winslet part.' "

Ms. Winslet shows a surprising flair for romantic comedy, and Mr. Gondry got those affecting performances by pushing his actors in different directions. "To Kate I would say, `Go bigger, bigger, bigger,' but I couldn't say that in front of Jim because he would hear that and react to it," he said. "I would go to Jim and say, `The scene is very dramatic and you'll be very dark.' "

He added: "You can push actresses more than actors. There is this terrible Actors Studio/James Dean/Marlon Brando syndrome that's really damaging male acting. That's why I like Jim. I saw a movie with Russell Crowe, and he was holding an umbrella and already he was too macho to do that. Joel has to be able to be like a little child."

"Obviously I don't like macho stuff because I can't identify with it," he said. "I'll try not to have guns in my movies from now on. I regret that I had a gun in `Human Nature,' but it's no big deal."

He has put more of himself in each new film, and he promised that "the next one will be 100 percent me." For the first time, he has written the script himself, which seems a natural progression. After all, he said, "There's a little story in all my videos." He is lining up the production now, probably to be filmed in Paris, partly in French and partly in English. "It's about conquering your dreams," he said of the story, in which the hero "can't wake up any more because the people in the dream don't want him to leave the dream, and they hold him as a hostage." This does sound 100 percent him, right down to the sweet-tempered murder. As he described it: "There's a guy who commits murder in his dream but with an electric shaver. An electric shaver becomes huge and shaves everything in sight."

His own dreams sound inescapable. "I sleep very little but I dream a lot of the time," he said. And he remembers those dreams? The answer seemed to come from a happy meeting of his childlike side and his inner careerist: "Not all, but enough to make a living."  

if anybody wants to see the new video Michel directed for Steriogram, here is a link


http://capitolrecords.com/steriogram/quicktime/

my theater better get this movie....

anybody getting Requiem.... flashbacks from the trailers for this?

CLIPS

Embarassing Admission
http://www.focusfeatures.com/clips/eternal_sunshine/EternalClip_01-480x270.mov

See the Frozen Charles
http://www.focusfeatures.com/clips/eternal_sunshine/EternalClip_05-480x270.mov

Have you guys checked out that Gondry-directed Polyphonic Spree commercial that AICN is currently hosting? It's awesome and hilarious -- one of the best 'soundtrack' music videos I've ever seen (you know, the ones that use movie footage because the song is on the soundtrack to that film).

Yeah! It's great. Love the singing house  :-D

*STORY SPOILERS - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK*


Another head case
"Being John Malkovich" and "Adaptation" writer Charlie Kaufman enters, and bends, minds again with "Eternal Sunshine." Source: Los Angeles Times

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On Page 38 of Charlie Kaufman's script for "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" — which is to say, about a third of the way through the new film "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" — the following line of dialogue appears:

JOEL
I'm in my head already, aren't I?

There are few employed screenwriters who could get away with that line, even fewer who could get a laugh with that line, and fewer still who could, at the same time, make it a terrifying, genuine, wiltingly beautiful line.

As a question, asked in life, as something you might turn around and say to your spouse, "I'm in my head already, aren't I?" is absurd. Samuel Beckett would have blushed at it. As a line from a movie, if we didn't know Kaufman was responsible, we might guess it came from some gloomy sci-fi picture involving plugs in the backs of people's necks. (Noted: There is some cheap mind-erasing equipment in "Eternal Sunshine.")

"I'm in my head already, aren't I?" a line that Jim Carrey, playing Joel, delivers in his pajamas, is emphatically a Kaufmanesque line. That adjective may not be in Webster's yet, but it is, you can be sure, common currency in the story department of most Hollywood studios.

Charlie Kaufman is, of course, Charlie Kaufman, the Very Successful Hollywood Screenwriter. He is the painfully private, 46-year-old, undeniably important author of five produced films who eschews everyone's attention, whether it's "Entertainment Tonight" or the New Yorker or his own agent, and thus perpetuates the myth of his talent, which is prodigious enough not to require it. Kaufman is the slight, modest Long Island native who has descended on Hollywood like some benevolent deity's answer to Joe Eszterhas.

And "I'm in my head already, aren't I?" is the kind of line Kaufman likes his characters to say. That's the kind of question, sometimes it can seem the only question, Kaufman likes to ask.

"There's no objective reality as far as I'm concerned," Kaufman said from his home in Pasadena, where he lives with his wife and a young daughter. "There's only what takes place in your brain. My brain. We have our perceptions, and that's all we have."

The story of "Eternal Sunshine," which comes out Friday, is this: Joel Barish is a New York City man of unspecified vocation who has stumbled upon one very nasty rabbit hole: His girlfriend, Clementine, played by Kate Winslet, has employed a company called Lacuna Inc. to have him erased from her memory. Now Joel, though he doesn't quite believe such a thing could ever happen, has gone to Lacuna to undergo the same procedure. As it begins, he peeks in on his own scene, at once petrified and entranced by what he sees. "I'm in my head already, aren't I?"

The idea originally came from a conversation between the film's director, Michel Gondry, whose feature film debut was Kaufman's "Human Nature" (2001), and an artist friend. What if you received a card informing you that you'd been erased from someone's memory, they mused? Gondry had in mind a thriller, until he brought the idea to Kaufman, who doesn't write thrillers.

"I was interested in doing it as a relationship story," said Kaufman, who speaks quickly and excitedly and, on occasion, elliptically. "I was struggling with the 'Adaptation' script, and I started finding connections. I like to find what it is I'm thinking about at the time and write about that." At the time, Kaufman, who reads a lot to "excite ideas," was finding inspiration in the letters of Eloise and Abelard.

Those tragic 12th century lovers show up in one of Craig's puppet shows in "Being John Malkovich." The title "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" comes from Alexander Pope's poem "Eloisa to Abelard" and refers to the easy time the vestal virgins of antiquity must have had getting through life, since they'd never given in to carnal sin.

"They're these very beautiful and contemporary-feeling letters about love and passion," he said. "She's talking about her love and trying to get him to acknowledge it, and he just wants to talk about God. I love that line, and I thought it was really cumbersome, which appealed to me for a title."

Joel is a consummate Kaufman creation. He comes from the same bloodline as the beleaguered puppeteer Craig Schwartz in "Being John Malkovich," the ape-man Puff in "Human Nature," Chuck Barris in "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" and, of course, Charlie Kaufman himself in "Adaptation." Melancholic, lonely, confused, Joel nonetheless exudes a desperate passion for life. He is at once hopelessly self-absorbed and endlessly endearing. He is a great character.

This is the point about Kaufman that is often overlooked: Remove all the brain-portals and menacing machinery and it is Kaufman's ability to conjure up people as real and sadly sweet as Joel Barish that makes him a superior writer, and, even more strangely, a reasonably bankable one. (It's as though Jorge Luis Borges rolled into Hollywood and became the toast of the town.)

That Kaufman was ever granted so much as a driver's license in Los Angeles still seems like a minor miracle, so insistently different is everything he writes. Kaufman started as a sitcom writer, with a stint on the cult favorite "Get a Life." His last TV job was in 1996, on Dana Carvey's short-lived sketch comedy show, although he wrote an unproduced pilot called "Depressed Roomies" and another, about an itinerant poet, called "Rambling Pants."

He admitted that he is surprised every time he sells a script. He wrote "Malkovich" as a writing sample, something outlandish enough to attract notice but which he never expected to see made. It was made, by the music-video director Spike Jonze, and, while it was in production Kaufman not only sold the "Eternal Sunshine" pitch but also landed the assignment to adapt Susan Orlean's book "The Orchid Thief." That turned into "Adaptation," also directed by Jonze.

Though Kaufman's continually being labeled "cerebral," Jonze said that he "thinks from his gut."

"He writes about how he feels in his life and in the world," Jonze said. "He relates to every character in his movies."

"It was clear to me this was someone with a really arresting, really original voice," John Malkovich said of first reading "Being John Malkovich." Kaufman, stinting with information even with people whose names appear in his titles, never told Malkovich why he'd chosen him. And Malkovich never asked Kaufman. But one day when they were leaving a meeting, Malkovich said, "and Charlie said, 'You know, I'm a really big fan of yours.' " Malkovich replied: "Charlie, I read the script."

Released in 1999, "Malkovich" was a critical success and a solid box-office draw. More important, it tore a swath a mile wide through screen-writing convention. A puppeteer protagonist? A portal into John Malkovich's brain? The actor's name is the movie's name? You couldn't do that.

Not satisfied with another celebrity-culture brain-flay, three years later, in "Adaptation," Kaufman upped the ante, taking us into his own portal. By that point the real Kaufman had become a celebrity — or, rather, owing to his famed reclusivity, an anti-celebrity — in his own right. But that didn't matter. A movie about Kaufman's real-life failed attempt to make a book into a movie?

The screenwriter and his fake twin brother in the lead? You couldn't do that either.

"Eternal Sunshine" is no less ambitious. A Rashomon-like take on a love story, it is, like all Kaufman films, brimming with ideas but also based in human frailty. The film is an attempt to redress the rosy images of relationships Kaufman grew up watching on television, he said. It's closest relative in cinema is probably F.W. Murnau's silent classic "Sunrise," a hallucinatory and unnerving love film from 1927. (Murnau's subtitle was: "A Tale of Two Humans.")

It is filled with touches that could only come from intense study of how normal people live: old letters written in red marker, awkward silences on commuter trains, unflattering underwear. Then moves not based on "character motivations" or "story arcs" (techniques stressed by screen-writing gurus like Robert McKee, whom Kaufman parodies in "Adaptation"), but with the logic of a dream.

None of which appeals to studio executives dreaming of $30-million opening weekends. And yet Kaufman adamantly refuses to underestimate his audience's intelligence or its ability to keep up with him. This has paid off about 50% of the time. "Human Nature," a fable about the nature-versus-nurture debate, contained flashes of brilliance but felt like an academic exercise.

Interestingly, the most poorly received of his films, "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind," an adaptation of television impresario Chuck Barris' autobiography, fails in large part because its subject matter was probably too suited to Hollywood for Kaufman's sensibilities: Barris, who created "The Gong Show," claimed he'd moonlighted for years as a government assassin.

"The reason I was interested in 'Confessions' was this idea that perhaps Chuck Barris is lying," he said. "If he is lying, why is he lying? His lies to me are what tell you everything about him." That may be so for the writer, but who wants to watch a movie that keeps announcing it might be one big lie?

Kaufman, for one. The mutability of truth is at the core of his stories. "Art always tells the truth, even when it's lying," Craig says in "Malkovich." "The truth is for suckers," Charlie Sheen (playing himself) says in the same film. To an extent, Kaufman believes this. "I think people's personal realities are kind of fleeting," he said. "There's nothing to hold on to in the truth about people."

While he was writing "Eternal Sunshine," Kaufman conducted an experiment. He took his wife out to dinner and brought along a tape recorder. The next day she told him everything she remembered of their conversation. He recalled a totally different exchange. They played the tape back and found that they both had only the loosest sense of what they'd actually said.

"This is a story of a relationship, but what you're really seeing is Joel's interpretation of it," Kaufman said. "We're watching Joel's memory of her and his interpretation of his memory."

"Eternal Sunshine" is experimental in structure and lacks many of the conventional hooks of "Malkovich" and "Adaptation." Kaufman said that "it seems like a life's work to understand a relationship," and, indeed, the film is packed with a screenwriting career's worth of ideas. But it is also at times hysterically funny. "I can count on one hand the times I laugh while I'm writing," said Kaufman, who is usually categorized as a comic writer. "Sometimes I know I like the jokes, but the rest of the time writing is just torture, like all other times.

"There's a lot of tragedy and sadness in my characters. The people who are saying these funny things and doing these funny things ... they're not funny to them."

In the end, it is Kaufman's characters and their thoughts, not the parallel worlds they find or the odd companies they hire, that most concern him. "Malkovich" began as a story about a man who fell in love with a co-worker, he said. The little idea about the portal into Malkovich's brain, the one that put Kaufman on the map and got the word "genius" attached to his name after just one movie, was, he claimed, "a detour." A detour that took control of the story, he admitted, but still just a detour.

"I write improvisationally. I write as though I'm having a conversation. If there's something that comes up that appeals to me, I don't resist it." If there is one complaint you hear about Charlie Kaufman movies, it is that they don't end well. He is sometimes accused of resorting to tactics he scoffs at in the first act of his scripts: kidnappings, chase scenes, gunplay. Kaufman is aware of this complaint.

"The end of 'Adaptation' is an intentional failure, and I didn't want to make it a joke failure," he said. "I wanted to make it a real failure." Charlie Kaufman, the character, writes the ending not that he would write but the one that his brother, Donald, would write. In the fictitious Charlie's mind, that's a failure, but in the real Kaufman's mind, that failure was necessary for his screenplay to be a success. Get it?

"I'm a big proponent of failure," he said. "I would much rather see an honest failure in a movie than a slick piece of trash. I don't know what the ending is to anything. Nobody does."


'It was clear to me this was someone with a really arresting, really original voice.'
— John Malkovich

that thing is full of spoilers.

i'll read it next month. thanks anyway.

great read... Glad to see the omaha theatres are ready for it on friday.

Great reviews so far! Here's the soundtrack listing other than the score by Jon Brion.

1. Light & Day - The Polyphonic Spree
2. It's The Sun - The Polyphonic Spree (live)
3. Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometimes - Beck
4. Mr. Blue Sky - Electric Light Orchestra
5. Meet Your Demise - The Willows
6. Something - The Willows

Quote from: QuoyleGreat reviews so far! Here's the soundtrack listing other than the score by Jon Brion.

1. Light & Day - The Polyphonic Spree
2. It's The Sun - The Polyphonic Spree (live)
3. Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometimes - Beck
4. Mr. Blue Sky - Electric Light Orchestra
5. Meet Your Demise - The Willows
6. Something - The Willows

Are there any samples of these anywhere? I looked at amazon and deep discount and they didn't even have a tracklisting.

Quote from: StefenAre there any samples of these anywhere? I looked at amazon and deep discount and they didn't even have a tracklisting.

The offical site.

http://www.eternalsunshine.com/

"music player"

You can listen to every song on the cd.

YES! TODAY IS THE DAY!

Im seeing the first show today at 11:10.

i can not wait!

ughhhhhh.....

ughhhhhh......

..b..ee..c..omm..in..g

HULK

..i got back from this an hour ago.....


SPOILERS......

of all the kaufman scripts put on film .....i like adaptation the most .....then BJM second and this one third.....its a great film .....but i wanted more i guess..... :| .....i just thought they could have done more w/ it ......but maybe that has something to do with the high expectations of this film......my mian problem is that about halfway through the film i was getting tired of it or something... it just didn't click for me.....but then later on it fell into place better......but also i didn't like the "dark" look of the film....especially during the memory scenes....there is some some sh*t in their i liked such as the forced perspective stuff and the beach house falling apart, and the bookstore slowly  fading out.....i wish it was shot differently.....and the film is hard to get into at first......but it does develope a groove later on......all performances are solid.....and even dunst wasn't  that bad.....she still has the most annoying smile and snaggle teeth i have seen....but i can get over that..........but winslet is HOT......damn......she's awesome in this.....

This might be my favorite movie of the year so far. Brilliant work by all involved, and thus far the only Kaufman script (in my opinion) to not only hold itself together for its duration, but to steadily improve. I el-oh-vee-eee-dee it.

Quote from: NEON MERCURYi didn't like the "dark" look of the film

ill agree with this partly.  some of the film was just too dark for me, and although i understand that he purposely did not want to use big lights and such, i guess i would've liked some of it to be a little more traditionally shot.  however, with that said, i did LOVE THIS FILM.  

and i didnt really know/get the complaints about kaufmans scripts being too cerebral and not human enough until midway through this and then it clicked.  this movie was not what i had expected even with all the articles/interviews i'd read about it, it still delivered something i had not expected at all.  something about those relationships/characters just rang so true, and was really something very emotional.  at the end of the film after i had been fighting some tears for a while, i looked over at my girlfriend on one side who had been tearing up and on the other my friend who had done the same.  there were many moments in this film that really touched a nerve and just rang so true.  

although, let me also say i'd heard this might be Charlie Kaufmans most accesible movie, NO WAY!  i thought this was his LEAST ACCESIBLE!  the middle section of the film in particular was just very fragmented and is not going to go over well with a lot of people.    

which makes me EXTRA mad i had to fucking drive outside of the city to see this at a 'mainstream' theatre, because the THREE LOCAL ARTHOUSES apparently were not good enough for this movie.  let me tell you how this is going over right now at the 'mainstream' theatres here in philadelphia that are playing this movie.  AWFULLY.  probably talking through the whole thing, laughing at it, walking out, etc.  this is going to blow up in their faces.  lost in translation is STILL playing at the fucking \arthouse theatres here.  they should've opened this up the same way and let word of mouth keep it playing for 6 months, but now its in the big theatres and will be gone in 3 weeks, i guarantee it.  but anyways, thats another rant.  (Philadelphia sucks; that is all).

the jon brion theme at the beginning/end was really great as well.  but this movie is really something.  NOT what i expected, and the middle section will offput a lot of people, but i wont deny the nerve it touched.  this will be one of my favorite films of the year and i'm glad they released it in march (read: no mans land.)

There were a lot of people in the (mainstream) theater I saw it in, and they all seemed to like it...judging from the talking that ensued as soon as the credits hit. It gave me hope...but then again, it was an early afternoon show.

Quote from: GhostboyThere were a lot of people in the (mainstream) theater I saw it in, and they all seemed to like it...judging from the talking that ensued as soon as the credits hit. It gave me hope...but then again, it was an early afternoon show.

i saw it at 5 and the theatre was filled with old people who were heard talking about how the film was terrible and were trying to disuade others afterwards from going to see it.  plus, you dont know philadelphia.  the general audiences here are quite different from the general audience in a respectable city.

Yikes. Flashbacks to opening night of PDL at the megaplexes.

i just got back from the 7 o'clock show, and i thought it was so brilliant. jim carrey was great and kate winslet was at the top of her game and she was so beautiful. the only thing that bothered me was that i went to a multiplex, but the movie was in one of the smaller theatres. but whatever. great movie.

just came back from a 950 showing and thought it was great, a little hesitant about gondry's directing capability but he pulled through, the script at times seemed a little forced in my opinion, i guess you could call them cheap tricks, but it is all over shadowed by the brilliancy and depth of each characters performance...the movie is somewhat hard to follow in the beginning but yes it does get into a nice groove...the showing is somewhat packed and everyone seemed to really enjoy it (granted i think majority of them were college kids who actually dug this shit)

9:35 show in omaha

Wow.. Really really great.  Charlie Kaufman scores again.


Brilliant

I forgot to mention earlier, but every problem I had with the screenplay was fixed in the finished film (particularly the absence of the bookends). A sure sign of an intelligent writer-director combo.

Wow, what a film.  I liked it a lot.

Saw a show at 12:25am. Had to travel a little over an hour away, well worth it though.

Quote from: BethieSaw a show at 12:25am. Had to travel a little over an hour away, well worth it though.

An hour away? Where the hell do you live?

I stay at my friends house.


:wink:



Edit- Nah, I'll tell the whole story. The movie is not playing at the theatre near me. I planned on going to see a 7:15 showing in a city that is 45 min away. We left late, got there and it was SOLD OUT.

Came home a friend called and I got to see it at 12:25am.


I didn't even have to do any of the driving. People are too nice to me.

Sweet...Jesus...

I was completely amazed at this movie.

I was in awe at many times as Joel was pretty much...me.  His mannerisms, everything.  I've never connected with a character like that before.

It was all perfect.

I had plans to go hang out with other friends, but my girlfriend and I were so blown away by the film we diteched the original plans to go to Denny's and talk about the movie.

I saw it opening day, but at 5:05.  (Wanted to go to 2:45, but I'd have had to haul ass from school to the theater, probably leave early).

It was a small crowd, and those who saw it seemed to be a bit displeased.

Another Oscar nod for Best Writing please?

No spoilers so read on for those cautious.
Saw this at 1:10pm on Friday. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Well, aside from the projectionist fuck-ups at the beginning. I was forced to get up and let them know how bad it looked. So it was a rough start. About an hour and 35-40 minutes into the movie, the film decided to melt and the movie stopped, lights went up. Needless to say, everyone was pissed. I quipped to the people I was with, "Okay, I thought the bubbling and melting was apart of the movie until the lights came up." A couple agreed. It reminded me of Bergman's Persona. But in any event, we waited a few minutes until a worker got off their ass and came in to tell us that they're trying to get it up and running and that we'd all get passes to come back. Fine. I'll wait. So the film starts up again and then, less than a minute later, stops again. I shouted out loud for fun: "Two passes!" And everyone seemed to enjoy that. Funnily enough, the worker came back out and handed out two passes each. I was pleasantly surprised. Then the film went BACK up right at the part when Ruffalo is talking to Dunst as she's leaving with all of her boxes to go home.
Again, what an inventive film. Does anybody know how many other routes Kaufman could've went down? I was expecting a Being John Malkovich twist where the boss, Howard, gets his own memory erased of Lacuna or something like that. But, wow, this was one hell of a great film. One of the best of this year for sure. For those of you who are expecting a comedy, you're in for a surprise. The performances were great (and I always love Mark Ruffalo) and this cast itself was perfect. I think they are little minor things I could question with the writing but honestly - with a film of this magnitude, why question Charlie Kaufman? I would like to think that this film is his opus. And I say that only because it's his most poignant film to me. But I guess the level of poignancy depends on how strange the moviegoer is. Either way, this is one of my favourite films this year.

yeah, the sound fucked up in my show towards the middles, but it was managable. plus, they gave us free passes, so i might go back today.

**SPOILER SPOILER**
Anyone notice nearing the confrontation with Harold's wife that the "C" in Lacuna on the side of the van outside had fallen off, leaving "La una"...  Otherwise known as "the one" in spanish.
**SPOILER SPOILER**

Saw it last night and was Blown away....Very Beautiful Ending...

I'm seeing it at 7:15 tonight! Can't wait!

I saw this today and frankly I'm amazed. It seems so different from Kaufman's other films, and perhaps that's for the better in a way. This film is so...touching. I REALLY liked it, and might go as far to say this this is my prediction for my favorite of the year, just because I liked it so much. I'll definitely be going to see it again a few times.

Oh, and Jim is spectacular, along with Winslet of course and really, the entire cast is just great. Also, I need to give special kudos to the photography and editing jobs. A very well-made film all around.

spoils

- best Kaufman movie.
- everyone is the best, but also Winslet is the best.
- best best. this should win everything.
- i'm going to defend the way it was shot. it was shot wonderfully. yeah, it could've been CRAZY, but i'm glad the emphasis wasn't on making it look cool (in the traditional cool sense.. y'know. real slick-like.), because that's not what the movie was about.. the home-video quality made it more true to life, thus closer to the audience and more touching, and disguised the effects shots.
- too bad the final poster semi-ruined that great joke.
- i realized the ending about 30 minutes in. at first as i was watching it go beyond the ending.. i wanted it to stop. i thought it would have been perfect if it had ended on the ice... these two people randomly, mysteriously, un(sub?)consiously reconnected.. but then i warmed up to the ending and it ended up still fantastic. can't go wrong with a fade to white (and you still get that moment out of it).
- Winslet's hair colour works as a brilliant, subtle time-marker. damn.
- too bad Joel also lost those memories he tried to hide in.. one of my favourites was the bird crushing/clementine rescue.
- i was really really touched by the whole thing.. every truth in it struck something or reminded me of something. the most surprising part of the movie was that i didn't cry.
- it'd be cool to see this as a play.
- ima go again. a-zap.

Just got back from it. Great movie! They had wonderfully original idea and built it into something with some laughs, surprises, complex themes but also a good moral at the end. Terrific cast...glad to see Tom Wilkonsin in another role. This very well maybe Charlie Kaufman's best movie.

Well I realized in the first shot that it was already after he had the procedure.  That's not a bad thing, but I don't think it was meant to be a surprise anyway, and it works.

I really like this movie.  I just saw it and I want to see it again.  I'm listening to the soundtrack now, from the website.  Goddamn, Jon Brion scores again (... pun not originally intended, but I'll take credit for it anyway).


UH, SPOILER, I GUESS:

Man, I almost cried (I never cry) when they meet at the beach party (in his mind) and she says it's gonna all be gone soon, and all he can do is "enjoy it" before it fades.

Don't Joel and Clem make The Most Believeable On-Screen Couple EVER??  That's really, in my opinion, the strongest part of the movie and the grandest accomplishment of all involved.  I totally believe in and root for them.

Anyway, I totally recommend the movie.  Gonna go around telling everyone to watch this.

I loved the photography...Ellen Kuras is usually hit and miss for me, but she hit this one out of the park. I love how Gondy used mostly handheld, rough hewn imagery, and the practical effects were so refreshing...especially in the bookstore, where he just turned all the books around, rather than digitally erase them. B-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l.

she pushed mini-DV cinematography to the next level though.  she was representing america, kicking them dogma guys' asses!

I don't think she did. She did nice work in ... crap, I forget the title, the one with the three stories about the women with Parker Posey in it, that came out last year ... but I thought Bamboozled looked pretty terrible, and she complained about the format quite a bit in the American Cinematographer article on the film.

Quote from: GhostboyShe did nice work in ... crap, I forget the title, the one with the three stories about the women with Parker Posey in it, that came out last year

Personal Velocity.

This is one of the great american cinimatic accoplishments.  Some of the images in this film will be remembered and studied in schools for years to come.  Needless to say, I lOVED IT.

Spoiler Below!!!
Did y'all notice the last shot of the movie repeated itself over and over again.  If I remember from the script, Joel and Clementine go through with this procedure many times and I think that is what the last shot represents.  Any thoughts?

Yeah, in an interview Gondry said he wanted that shot to play repeatedly throughout the entire credits sequence, but the studio complained that people wouldn't read the credits.

It's a huge, huge improvement on the script, which suggested the same thing but in a more heavy handed way.

For further evidence of Kuras' wonderful photography, check out Summer of Sam.  Bees knees.

Quote from: QuoyleJust got back from it. Great movie! They had wonderfully original idea and built it into something with some laughs, surprises, complex themes but also a good moral at the end. Terrific cast...glad to see Tom Wilkonsin in another role. This very well maybe Charlie Kaufman's best movie.

I agree, but I think it's Kaufman's best movie SO FAR

QuoteIt was just (as cliche as it sounds) the kind of movie that gives me hope. It exemplifies what movies should be. It's intense as hell and it brought out every single emotion in me. I almost clapped out loud after certain scenes, or even certain little tiny pieces of dialogue or mannerisms...no joke. It just amazed me. My mouth was open the whole time. PDL level stuff.

Same here, ebeaman.  8) I felt the same way. I smiled like a goof through like 90% of the movie.


I am enjoying reading all your thoughts.


I was looking at pictures of Clem and she is so vibrant, out-going, fun, such a real person. It made me sad to think it was only acting.

I loved this movie sooo much.  I know this has already been said, but Kate Winslet was really the best out of the exceptional cast.  I've seen Adaptation and BJM, and was expecting completely different, what I wasn't expecting was this movie to be really, really touching. This was definitely the most original 'romantic comedy' I've seen.  The movie pulled you emotionally in every directions, so the audience really felt the ups and downs of Joel and Clem's relationship.  There were some really breath-taking visuals (especially along the beach and on the ice). The entire cast did a great job, but Kate Winslet really stood out.  She played such a free spirit with an overwhelming honesty and vulnerability. Really wonderful character.  I know I've repeated some of what's already been said, but I just felt the need to gush about this movie.  I was floating the whole afternoon after seeing it.

Yessssssssss god yes

I won't be doing any 'review' all's been said. Fuck I loved this movie. How many people here feel they are Joel ?

Quote from: Pas RapportYessssssssss god yes
How many people here feel they are Joel ?

me, definetely

Brilliant!

For a "science-fiction" film, it's one hell of a romantic, heartbreaking, true ride.

Kaufman's best work.

Carrey's best dramatic work.

This is film to get the voters to remember next January!

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This is film to get the voters to remember next January!

is it eligable?

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This is film to get the voters to remember next January!

is it eligable?

Why wouldn't it be?

Don't scream "Kaufman's best" too quick though

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This is film to get the voters to remember next January!

is it eligable?

Why wouldn't it be?

well, i'm not sure how the whole voter thing goes, but is it too early? maybe i'm being stupid, but i really dont know

It's eligible.

alright then

i love it when we all agree that a movie is great.

Quote from: C:\BRADi love it when we all agree that a movie is great.

indeed. it's great

Time is ticking away until GT rips it apart.

Why is there some french in this thread's title actually ?

Quote from: Pas RapportWhy is there some french in this thread's title actually ?

i was wondering the same thing and it's used wrong.

oh and BTW, does anyone know who sings that song at the end (aswell as a couple other times during the film). i wanna say beck, but i dont know

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Quote from: Pas RapportWhy is there some french in this thread's title actually ?

i was wondering the same thing and it's used wrong.

It's used good actually ... Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind directly translates to Éternel(Eternal) Soleil(Sunshine) de l'Esprit(mind) Sans Taches(Spotless). The "de l'mind" is placed in the right spot.

really? oh well, i was reading it wrong. thanks for the clarification

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I don't think I've ever seen such unanimous enthusiasm on these boards since...umm...anything by PTA.

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Quote from: Pas RapportYessssssssss god yes
How many people here feel they are Joel ?

me, definetely

Not me but I definitely know people like him. And I know a girl that's sorta like Clementine in ways too. It just shows how real this film is even with all the sci fi stuff. It reminds me of reacting to the early family scenes in E.T. for the first time in the past, I've always felt those parts of the film to be very realistic in the same way that Sunshine is. It's strange to see that kind of truth in a science fiction film, I love it. It's not seen often.

Quote from: Chest RockwellI don't think I've ever seen such unanimous enthusiasm on these boards since...umm...anything by PTA.

You know it didn't really occur to me until you said it but you may very well be right. And I'm glad that it's a film that's barely related to PTA too, save the Jon Brion score of course. Kill Bill might be the only one that competes with it but other than that, your absolutely right. And I won't be surprised at all if it does win best film at the end of the year on the boards. Lol, I'd put my vote in now if DGG, Harmony Korine, Wes Anderson, and David O. Russell weren't releasing films later this year along with KB Vol 2 and The Ladykillers still on the way, trust me. Like I said, it's going to be fucking amazing.

Umm...right, that's what I meant. :wink:

Quote from: CinephileTime is ticking away until GT rips it apart.

I'm sorry, but this was just a bunch of scenes that didn't add up to anything, and Clementine was just there to serve the story.

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:-D



Seriously, though, I fucking loved this film.  Not to add on more heapings of praise or anything, but this really does deserve it.  I was smiling the whole way through.  My cheeks haven't hurt so much since Love Actually and Lost in Translation.  Not too long ago, but that just says something about the quality of movies lately.

I knew what the ending was going to be extremely early on in the film.  Once Elijah Wood's character came up to Joel's car, it was obvious he had had the procedure already, and was meeting Clem for the second time.  Relatively clear, I thought, though I don't know if they were trying to make it so.  It didn't detract from the movie, but this predictability may be a downside for some.  It wasn't for me, and even so, the ending was just perfect.  And no weak third act for Kaufman this time.  Great, that.  And Dunst was great, too.  And not to mention quite gorgeous dancing in her undies with Ruffalo.

Let's see.  Specifics.  The crushed bird scene.  Ouch.  The crotch scenes.  Now that's from a real relationship.  That's how things are.  And I love how Kaufman doesn't forget previously established concepts, and brings them back for unexpected payoffs, such as the cassette tapes, the whole crotch ordeal/Joel under the bed, etc.  And I really enjoyed how the subplot with Dunst and Wilkinson served the story, and even Wood had something to do.  Even the most superfluous character, Ruffalo, had an important part in the story.  And I thought it was a trip seeing Jane Adams and David Cross in there for good measure.  Nice work by them in small roles.  Ah, there's so much more, so many little things I've forgotten.  The incredible editing, the nice little touches and transitions (like the books reversed, and how the lights in the bookstore quickly shut off only for Joel to find himself back in Adams's and Cross's characters' house).

This is what a good movie should be.  Fuck, just last night I was feeling kind of out of it.  But I was flipping channels and caught the last bit of Pulp Fiction on HBO.  Now there's a movie that stands up to repeated viewings, even after ten years.  What's dat gotta do with Eternal Sunshine?  It's a film like Pulp Fiction.  It'll be memorable for years, and every time you watch it, you'll get that same feeling of "damn, this is what we can do!"  It doesn't get much better than that.

Quote from: CinephileTime is ticking away until GT rips it apart.

haha, i know.  this movie is played out already, will GT just hurry up and hate it so we can all move on?

i just hope that we don't hav sumone who's so obsessed with it that they can't stop talking about it and ends up making me like it less, cos they just won't shut up about it.

unless that person is me.

I'm building a birdhouse here!

Quote from: El Duderinooh and BTW, does anyone know who sings that song at the end (aswell as a couple other times during the film). i wanna say beck, but i dont know

End music --- Beck

Music score --- Jon Brion

Quote from: Pubricki just hope that we don't hav sumone who's so obsessed with it that they can't stop talking about it and ends up making me like it less, cos they just won't shut up about it.

..hahaha your right........but there is always someone...

i wonder if people hate lynch b/c of me?.... :|

Quote from: NEON MERCURYi wonder if people hate lynch b/c of me?.... :|

nah u focus on his entire works, and offer more than "i like the directing, the acting, the hot chicks". u know, ur more about what the dude is doing with his career. that's always welcome. i enjoy those kinds of pimps.

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Quote from: NEON MERCURYi wonder if people hate lynch b/c of me?.... :|

nah u focus on his entire works, and offer more than "i like the directing, the acting, the hot chicks". u know, ur more about what the dude is doing with his career. that's always welcome. i enjoy those kinds of pimps.

i appreciate that... 8) ...........Thanks.

I want another girlfriend now.  :(

I think P is referring to me. :oops:

Quote from: Chest RockwellI think P is referring to me. :oops:

Oh come on man, if he was referring to anybody, he was more likely referring to me. You've barely said a word. I'll admit it, I have gushed a lot more than any one person should using a lot more words than any one person is entitled to use in the praising of a lot more movies than most have ever praised....citing everything (the directing, the acting, the hot chicks) at once just as he said these people would/have.

But I don't even know if he was referring to anybody. Either way, I don't really care. Just for the record, there's not enough good movies out each year so I really do have to obsess over each and every precious one. And if people can have a 5 year orgy over LOTR, I can most definitely have a post's worth of gush over Eternal Sunshine. Or even more than that if I want. Wasn't one of "the reasons why we like ebeaman" because I get excited about everything after all? If it annoys anybody, just ban me cause I'm afraid I can't voluntarily stop.

Quote from: Pubricki just hope that we don't hav sumone who's so obsessed with it that they can't stop talking about it and ends up making me like it less, cos they just won't shut up about it.

unless that person is me.

oh please god.  i hope so too.  i will say with all the great things this mb has done, the one downside for me personally is this very issue.

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Quote from: Pubricki just hope that we don't hav sumone who's so obsessed with it that they can't stop talking about it and ends up making me like it less, cos they just won't shut up about it.

unless that person is me.

oh please god.  i hope so too.  i will say with all the great things this mb has done, the one downside for me personally is this very issue.

i'm just curious...for anyone here what film/actor/actress/whatever was ruined for you by  this type of behavior.......?

i'll go first:
-too much PTA praise.i like the guy .but ..damn i thoguht i was lynch crazy... :wink: .....but i do know the origins of this board so its expected.. 8)

lost in translation.

Quote from: themodernage02lost in translation.

I second that. I can't say I absolutely LOVED it initially but how much I did like it was definitely tainted by all the hype. Not just on the boards though. Now all I really like about it is Bill Murray. He was my favorite part upon my first viewing as well so my whole view of it was really only diminished very slightly. On the other hand, it made me flat out HATE "The Virgin Suicides".

Well I was referring to my Lost in Translation-period.

EDIT: Whoops! Seems I'm late. Three posts magically appeared while I was writing my short little post.

Quote from: Chest RockwellWell I was referring to my Lost in Translation-period.

Oh oh oh, I see I see. I was just saying cause he could be referring to a number of different periods with me (ATRG above all). But still, I can almost assure you, your not as much of an annoyance to him, lol.....yet anyway. I can definitely assure you that your of no annoyance to me.....for what that's worth, lol.

I don't remember any painful Lost In Translation period

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Man, people at Xixax obviously don't know the difference between original music and pre-recorded music. This whole thing is crap. The obvious winners are Kevin Shields and Brian Reitzell. The music from LIT was so airy and dreamy. Perfectly fit the mood of the entire film.

GAH! SHUT UP ALREADY!

sorry, it's just that the whole 'ooh, lost in translation is the bestest movie ever' thing is really getting to me. i liked it too, but enough is enough.

i voted finding nemo. parts of that score gave me the chills. especially the part where they have to "swim down."

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amen to what just about everyone has said thus far...

i'll have to admit though that during the second act, where his memory starts to get erased, i got a bit exasperated.  from a technical aspect, it was genius, but that's no surprise when you're dealing with something created by Michel Gondry.  but i felt detached... it didn't grasp me emotionally... i guess it became one of those "admire, not love" things where I'm awed by what I see but couldn't care less about it.  but the film -- and this is what i love about it -- grows, it matures.  Kaufman's earlier work, though brilliant, tended to downward spiral in its logic and unravel into a sort of mess which he usually cleaned up well by the end. That isn't necessary with this film. This is Kaufman's best work as a screenwriter and only deepends my perception of him as being contemporary cinema's most original mind.  A testament to Kaufman's genius is how familiar Eternal Sunshine... feels when compared to Being John Malkovich or Adaptation.  Granted all three films have been directed by geniuses who started out doing music videos but there are stark similarities in the visions that are provoked by Charlie's screenplays.  That's powerful writing... I can only wait in anticipation for the films to come.  I haven't seen Confessions of a Dangerous Mind (should i?) so he has a perfect track record in my mind.

What starts out as some of the craziest, seemingly stream of conciousness narrative evolves into something so surprisingly beautiful and resonant.  Gondry's childlike "innocence" gives the film an unmistakably indearing quality that is evident in his music videos/short films as well... it's the quality i love about him the most.  There's a freshness to the imagery and some EXCELLENT storytelling.  Gondry is an incredible visionary, as displayed by the extremely virtuoso storytelling evident in Eternal Sunshine... I'm so jealous of his ability to come up with the shit he does because I don't think I could.  Then again, Michel Gondry is Michel Gondry, one and only.

Jim Carrey's never been better, and holy shit I loved Kate Winslet as Clementine.  She gives Eva Green's Isabelle a run for her money in what I feel will be a definite contender in the best actress race.  Mark Ruffalo continues to please.  I think he's great and is, if anything, underused... in the right movies, anyway.  Eternal Sunshine... is the first time I've seen a film with Kirsten Dunst where I didn't want to kill her; she was good.  Elijah Wood, on the other hand, I can't stand.  Appropriately casted however, as he plays a complete loser.  Tom Wilkinson, what can I say.   Gorgeous, gorgeous cinematography and ridiculously remarkable editing.  There's nothing more that can be said about Gondry other than the fact that he is a genius.

My only complaint is how immature (as opposed to endearing childishness) the film feels... but it's fun as hell, so it's not much of a complaint at all.  In the end, I found myself significantly moved and fully satisfied.  After I saw The Dreamers I told myself that I wouldn't see a better film this year and it's still true, but Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless mind comes in a FUCKING close second.

I want the DVD already.  When you want the DVD less than six hours after having finished watching the movie, you know it's a good one.  That is all.

Oh, and what samsong is pretty swizzeet.  Except I didn't once feel detached.  The movie was just too powerful, both technically and emotionally, for me anyway.  Me, though, I think I like Eternal Sunshine just a smidgen more than The Dreamers.  Yep, smidgen is a word.  Cool word as that, though not as cool as "canoodling."  2004 is looking great either way.

I'll be interested in my reaction to seeing this a second time.

During the opening segment, I found myself just trying to follow the action, pick up clues and not get lost in what was going on.

But as things became clearer during the middle part of the film, I found that opening segment holding so much more meaning, and I am looking forward to cherishing how much the beginning resonates during a repeat viewing.

By the way, though it's been said repeatedly, it bears one more mention: Jon Brion flat-out rules.

SPOILERS.

I could tell the opening would be special from the getgo.  Didn't you just love that all there was was the Focus Features logo then Jim Carrey sleeping.  I love it when movies start like that.  Too bad they didn't pull an Apocalypse Now and leave it at that -- no credits at all.  No, that was too daring.  But still, I thought it was such a nice touch that that opening scene was so LONG.  It really added weight to his meeting between the two.  And that it wasn't their first meeting, when you go back and think about that fact, and then their interaction, and piece together Elijah's character coming in, and it becomes even more powerful.

Ok I just saw this... EXCELLENT... everything I was expecting and more... this was I think the most anticipated movie of this year for me and I loved it... story is perfect and these guys really know what they have to do... say no more!

First, a little antedote...

Because of the time schedule, this film was third on my list of films to see today. And wouldn't you know it, out of all the films playing in the megaplex, this was the only one with an attendant checking tickets at the door! The muthaf*cker wouldn't leave. I'm checking my watch, and the trailers has started and this guy, of all this, is doing his job! Sonofabitch! So I'm still checking my watch, and now it's cose to the time when the previews would be over, and this asshole is looking at everyone's stubs. Checking watch, getting nervous. When is this guy gonna leave?! Check watch...Shit, it's started. I know its started. Why couldn't he been guarding "Taking Lives"? It opened the weekend too. But no, he has to be at the one film I wanted to see the most. Finally....he takes off. We make our move, but wouldnt you know it, the theater is packed that the only place the three of us could find, is the muthaf'ing second row. I'm looking up Carrey's nosehairs because the film has started. He's already sitting on the train. So I know, I'll have to see it again...

*Cracks Knuckles* That said, here's my review. I really enjoyed the film, and it's a damn good thing I avoided this nothing-but-praise thread before seeing it for fear of overhype. I thought it was one of the most accurate and natural captures of a couple's relationship ever put on screen. I felt the chemistry between Joel and Clementine. I felt Joel's regret because I would want to keep those memories too, but the film also had a ring of truth in including scenes like seeing the "routine" of a couple going through the motions at the restaurant. And Winslet was ripe for this role; she made her character human, and deserves a Oscar nod for it. Kaufman's script and story puts an ingenious twist on, what is at heart, a very tender romantic comedy.

Quote from: MacGuffinFirst, a little antedote...

Because of the time schedule, this film was third on my list of films to see today. And wouldn't you know it, out of all the films playing in the megaplex, this was the only one with an attendant checking tickets at the door! The muthaf*cker wouldn't leave. I'm checking my watch, and the trailers has started and this guy, of all this, is doing his job! Sonofabitch! So I'm still checking my watch, and now it's cose to the time when the previews would be over, and this asshole is looking at everyone's stubs. Checking watch, getting nervous. When is this guy gonna leave?! Check watch...Shit, it's started. I know its started. Why couldn't he been guarding "Taking Lives"? It opened the weekend too. But no, he has to be at the one film I wanted to see the most. Finally....he takes off. We make our move, but wouldnt you know it, the theater is packed that the only place the three of us could find, is the muthaf'ing second row. I'm looking up Carrey's nosehairs because the film has started. He's already sitting on the train. So I know, I'll have to see it again...

*Cracks Knuckles* That said, here's my review. I really enjoyed the film, and it's a damn good thing I avoided this nothing-but-praise thread before seeing it for fear of overhype. I thought it was one of the most accurate and natural captures of a couple's relationship ever put on screen. I felt the chemistry between Joel and Clementine. I felt Joel's regret because I would want to keep those memories too, but the film also had a ring of truth in including scenes like seeing the "routine" of a couple going through the motions at the restaurant. And Winslet was ripe for this role; she made her character human, and deserves a Oscar nod for it. Kaufman's script and story puts an ingenious twist on, what is at heart, a very tender romantic comedy.

It's too bad your (and your friends') eight bucks didn't go to this film.  Why didn't you just start the day off by purchasing a ticket for that show, that way, the money wouldn't be going to Dawn of the Dead, and you wouldn't have missed the first couple minutes of it.

For being a seasoned veteran at it.. didn't that idea cross your mind?

Quote from: 82It's too bad your (and your friends') eight bucks didn't go to this film.  Why didn't you just start the day off by purchasing a ticket for that show, that way, the money wouldn't be going to Dawn of the Dead, and you wouldn't have missed the first couple minutes of it.

For being a seasoned veteran at it.. didn't that idea cross your mind?

Quote from: MacGuffinBecause of the time schedule, this film was third on my list of films to see today.

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Quote from: 82It's too bad your (and your friends') eight bucks didn't go to this film.  Why didn't you just start the day off by purchasing a ticket for that show, that way, the money wouldn't be going to Dawn of the Dead, and you wouldn't have missed the first couple minutes of it.

For being a seasoned veteran at it.. didn't that idea cross your mind?

Quote from: MacGuffinBecause of the time schedule, this film was third on my list of films to see today.

Right.. You couldn't have bought a ticket to see that late showing of the movie and walk into the others?

Quote from: 82Right.. You couldn't have bought a ticket to see that late showing of the movie and walk into the others?

:lol: What are you getting at, man?  This is ridiculous..

Sorry I had to jump in, Mac, but Jesus!

Quote from: Cinephile:lol: What are you getting at, man?  This is ridiculous..

I would rather see money go to a movie like Eternal Sunshine rather than Dawn of the Dead.  Sorry.

Ideally, I'd agree with 82 here.  But only because it's so depressing to see Dawn of the Dead take in tops at the Box Office this weekend, while Eternal Sunshine didn't even place.  Even more depressing that newscasts find it necessary/important to report on that sort of thing in the first place.  No other business reports in the manner that film does.  Sure, they have their top ten lists and whatnot, but they're not nearly as pervasive.  Ah, capitalism.  *insert something witty here -- it's too damn early/late*

But see, when you're planning a day of theater hopping, you don't count on things like annoying ushers getting in your way. You plan things out according to the most ideal schedule, which Mac did (saving the best for last), so that you see as many movies while wasting as little time in between shows as possible. It's a fine art, and while you allow for the possibility of derailment, you certainly don't PLAN on having your schedule obstructed by a dedicated employee.

I couldnt see a movie like this together with many others... I dont care when you're talking about movies without much thinking or need to pay attention like Dawn of the Dead (which I wont see until DVD), but for Eternal Sunshine I wanted to be really focused and ready and I was looking forward to it for a while... I took a nap, went to have dinner, and then saw the movie very happy...

And being that is so important for this business the Box Office results I do care on who I give my money to... Thats why I'm willing to get counterfit copies of The Passion of the Christ to whoever wants it... that fucker made too much money already with that shit

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaIdeally, I'd agree with 82 here.  But only because it's so depressing to see Dawn of the Dead take in tops at the Box Office this weekend, while Eternal Sunshine didn't even place.

I dunno what you're talkin' about; Eternal placed 6th for the weekend. And horror films, which I know you have a bias against, typically do strong on the first weekend, for all the fans, then drop sharply the next.

The news report I saw only reported on the top five, so that explains that.

Mac, you can't defend your choice to not buy a ticket as the right thing. it's the wrong thing. it's wrong. but 82, so are plenty of other things everybody does. downloading music, or setting fire to trousers on a clothes line for instance. so even though i wouldn't not buy a ticket, i guess it's kind of okay. but Mac should acknowledge that it's not.

They might have been joking, but everyone at the Independent Spirit Awards seemed to encourage piracy as a means of simply getting a hold of their films and being able to watch them. Granted, it's not really the same thing. Either way, I saw Eternal Sunshine with Taking Lives and made sure that the money went to Eternal Sunshine.

I'm tired this morning.  

I spent all night rummaging through the lost and found at the movie theatre where I saw Eternal Sunshine last night.  The movie blew my nuts off and I had a hard time finding them afterwards.

Next time I see this, I'm wearing a cup.

Quote from: hacksparrowThe movie blew my nuts off and I had a hard time finding them afterwards.

Next time I see this, I'm wearing a cup.

hahaha, oh my....

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Michel Gondry loves movies (for starters, he adores L'Atalante so much, he designed the movie poster seen below in tribute), but when he steps behind the camera, the French filmmaker has no interest in referencing other directors' work. His first film, Human Nature, questions the very nature of what it means to be human. Now, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind has the singular distinction of being simultaneously the most surreal and instantly familiar Hollywood film of the 21st century.

With each music video or feature film he tackles, Gondry sets out to invent a brave new world where space, time and all the rules that govern existence are redefined. His film work has benefited by the equally original voice of screenwriter Charlie Kaufman. Together, they take great pains to reject everything that has come before. "Yesterday I read in a bad paper that Charlie was highly influenced by Memento when he wrote," Gondry says. "In fact, it's actually the complete opposite. We had started to write it two years before Memento came out, and when he heard about Memento, he just wanted to quit." So what are their influences? Find out five projects that have inspired Gondry on account of their sheer originality.

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L'Atalante
(1934, dir: Jean Vigo, starring: Dita Parlo, Jean Dasté)
L'Atalante is a French movie from the early '30s. The director, Jean Vigo, died when he was 29. He was not really a surrealist, although there is a certain amount of surrealism in L'Atalante. It is mostly a romantic story about a couple on a boat that goes from the north of France to Paris. The bride wants to visit Paris [so she runs away], and he is really sad that he can't find her. It's so simple, but it's the most beautiful movie. Jean Vigo's first movie, Zero de Conduit, was a complete financial failure, so the only way he could work was to accept this very sweet and romantic script that he didn't like at all, and he ended up making the most inspiring and emotional movie. Because of the simplicity of the story, I think he could really express what he had in his heart. I think films are original if they come from an original place. If you're trying to do a visual for the sake of it or reproduce something you've seen, it could never be touching, but if you have something inside you and you feel better when you put it on screen, maybe that's something original. I'm very pretentious, and I want to be the best that I can, so if I like somebody, I will never try to emulate him because I know I will be below him. I think maybe if I do something different, I have the chance to be on the same level one day.

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Le Voyage en Ballon (Stowaway in the Sky)
(1960, dir: Albert Lamorisse, starring: André Gille, Pascal Lamorisse)
The first film I ever saw in my life is called Le Voyage en Ballon. It's a very simple story about a grandfather and his grandson traveling across France in a hot-air balloon. It's all shot on location with a system where they attached the basket of a balloon under a helicopter. It's mostly visual, but it's very pure. It's my first memory of watching movies, like falling in love with Shirley MacLaine in The Apartment or seeing Mary Poppins with her big feet flying and her umbrella, and every time I see it again, I'm never disappointed. I was obviously also intrigued by Georges Méliès. He was the first filmmaker to use the camera as an artifice. He wanted first to enhance his magic tricks with a camera, and most of his tricks are still used now in filmmaking. There's so much ingenuity you can find if you're trying to solve your problem in your own way. I learned to work this way because I bought myself a small 16mm film camera called a Bolex. You can rewind the film, you can double-expose the film, you can shoot frame-by-frame and slow motion, and I learned to tell my story by using my own devices.

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The Gold Rush
(1925, dir: Charles Chaplin; starring: Charles Chaplin, Mack Swain)
In Chaplin's The Gold Rush, the scene with the house hanging off the cliff is so iconic to me. It's very technical and very naïve at the same time, and the humor is so pure. Or the nightmare where his friend envisions him as a chicken and tries to eat him. When the guy is trying to run after him, and he opens the door to let the wind blow the guy away, that's the ultimate of ingenuity and creativity in filmmaking. He's so hungry, he cooks his shoe and eats it. This is pure surrealism. In fact, Chaplin was one of the directors to become a figure for the surrealist group in France. To me, Chaplin eating his shoe or him transforming into a chicken is very deep. It's dark, but it's liberating in the same way. The reason I'm reluctant to quote movies is because Charlie Kaufman and I try really hard not to take references from films, but show how things would work in real life. It was very important that it would be honest and it would not be about filmmaking or how people should behave in a love story or anything like that.

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The Works of Tex Avery
My next choice is not a movie, but a collection of cartoons by Tex Avery. He is another of the surrealist idols, yet he is so unknown by American audiences. They know Bugs Bunny, and they vaguely know he invented him, but they don't know his work as an artist. His cartoons are so visceral and liberating. For example, he did some stories like this one with the little penguin [named Chilly Willy] where a dog is supposed to guard a bear who's sleeping for the winter. The penguin hits the dog with a hammer, and the dog runs three miles on top of the hill to relieve his scream. It's so impossible. Later, he has to run but his limbs are busy, so he runs on his butt. His butt becomes like legs and run him away. When you are at the end of the possibilities, he can always find another way out, and I really like that. It's absurd, but in its own world it makes sense.

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Back to the Future
(1985; dir: Robert Zemeckis; starring: Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd)
I always come back to Back to the Future as a very broad science fiction movie with comedy. A lot of films about the future have this kind of smoky, dark feeling. They are mostly influenced by Ridley Scott, and before that, you can trace the big influence of science fiction movies from Forbidden Planet to 2001 to Star Wars, and then you would have Alien and Blade Runner. Obviously, Back to the Future doesn't belong to this type of film. There's a dark side to it, but there is no attitude. I don't like systematic darkness and slickness in movies. I [prefer] absurdity and humor. I remember seeing a concert by The Cure in 1980 in Paris. It was so inspiring because instead of showing you how complex and technical they were, the music was so simple, you wanted to go back home and create your own music. I think filmmaking or any form of art should have the same inspirational capacity. Sometimes people will come to me and say, 'I saw your DVD, and it inspired me to make my own work,' and it's really an achievement to do that.

Quote from: MacGuffinThe penguin hits the dog with a hammer, and the dog runs three miles on top of the hill to relieve his scream. It's so impossible. Later, he has to run but his limbs are busy, so he runs on his butt. His butt becomes like legs and run him away. When you are at the end of the possibilities, he can always find another way out, and I really like that. It's absurd, but in its own world it makes sense.

Please God, let him win the Best Director Oscar next year so we can hear his acceptance speech.

Sweet mother of God did I love this film! It sent chills down my spine. Kate Winslet was so good I actually forgot it was her a couple of times..

mutinyco or GT.

place ur bets.

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaYep, smidgen is a word.  Cool word as that, though not as cool as "canoodling."

Nothing is as cool as "canoodling." Spread the word!

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Quote from: OnomatopoeiaYep, smidgen is a word.  Cool word as that, though not as cool as "canoodling."

Nothing is as cool as "canoodling." Spread the word!

'Spread the canoodling' is more like it.

all i'm gonna say is be careful, cuz the last thing you want to do is get arrested for theater hoping.

I swear, though, you can't get arrested! Honestly! They'll just ask you to leave if you can't manage to talk your way out of it.

Haha, wow.  Eternal Sunshine is already in the Top 250 at IMDb.  This is faster than Kill Bill.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338013/  Not that it means anything all too important, but it's so nice to see that this film has such universal appeal (at least among Internet film geeks).  #232, 8.7/1,865.  That's just impressive.

Quote from: GhostboyI swear, though, you can't get arrested! Honestly! They'll just ask you to leave if you can't manage to talk your way out of it.

Yeah, I was just about to say. . .

One strategy I suggest using if you are asked for your tickets (I've never actually had to do this but it would obviously work) and could potentially be caught:
You must be with somebody of course for this to work. If a worker comes in and says, "May I please see your tickets?" one of you very innocently turns to the other waiting for the other to take out the tickets. Dialogue would go something like this:
*A looks at B*
B: What?
A: You have the tickets. He wants to see them.
B: You got the tickets.
A: No, I said you get the tickets while I was in the washroom.
B: I thought you said you were getting the tickets when you got OUT of the washroom.
A: No! Why would I do that? That's stupid.

Etc.

And then you would apologize and leave to purchase your tickets.

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place ur bets.

Mutinyco already wrote about it in his own 'special' thread that was immediately locked. He  liked it. (http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=5711)

It's all on GT.

saw the movie for the first time the last Friday. it rocked my little white girl socks off.

it changed my life, i swear, i left the theatre and everything was beautiful and bright, and I was so happy.
i am such a loser....but I hope someone else felt like that...

Quote from: myadopteddaughtersaw the movie for the first time the last Friday. it rocked my little white girl socks off.

it changed my life, i swear, i left the theatre and everything was beautiful and bright, and I was so happy.
i am such a loser....but I hope someone else felt like that...

You are not alone.

hacksparrow, you wear little girls socks?  :shock:

:shock:





NO!!!




:oops:





...yes...





:cry:

Quote from: themodernage02hacksparrow, you wear little girls socks?  :shock:

I bet he does, after stealing girls panties.

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Quote from: themodernage02hacksparrow, you wear little girls socks?  :shock:

I bet he does, after stealing girls panties.

What? They were clean.

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Le Voyage en Ballon (Stowaway in the Sky)
(1960, dir: Albert Lamorisse, starring: André Gille, Pascal Lamorisse)
The first film I ever saw in my life is called Le Voyage en Ballon. It's a very simple story about a grandfather and his grandson traveling across France in a hot-air balloon. It's all shot on location with a system where they attached the basket of a balloon under a helicopter. It's mostly visual, but it's very pure. It's my first memory of watching movies, like falling in love with Shirley MacLaine in The Apartment or seeing Mary Poppins with her big feet flying and her umbrella, and every time I see it again, I'm never disappointed. I was obviously also intrigued by Georges Méliès. He was the first filmmaker to use the camera as an artifice. He wanted first to enhance his magic tricks with a camera, and most of his tricks are still used now in filmmaking. There's so much ingenuity you can find if you're trying to solve your problem in your own way. I learned to work this way because I bought myself a small 16mm film camera called a Bolex. You can rewind the film, you can double-expose the film, you can shoot frame-by-frame and slow motion, and I learned to tell my story by using my own devices.

My similar inspiration:
Le Ballon Rouge

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i was disapointed by this film -- being a fan of charlie k, my expectations were much higher. with the posed subject( mind eraser, etc.), i felt it wasnt fully "realized" nor " utilized". they could have gone much further with the concept -- i thought the scene with jim carrey instituted into his childhood, was one of  the more inspired parst -- many of the scenes with "dream logic" were interseting, but quickly lost their novelty. the 2nd act dragged for this very reason. The development of the story could have been just as well suited in a 20 minute short film. i thought there was too much meddling without substance backing it up. meddling is fine but there has to be an interesting progression dramatically or stylistically. i think a film similar in function that is more successfrul is 8 1/2.

Well it seems so far that you're alone in your opinion, cowboykurtis (not that I don't respect it). It seems you're the only one keeping yourself company with your double-post there.  :)

Loved it Loved it Loved it. It almost felt like I was in a drunken stooper afterwards. I couldn't even say anything about it I was so blown away.

-Loved the visual aspect of the film. Such a wide array of colors in every aspect. Clementine's Hair, Furnishings, in the rooms they traveled through. I think whatever category that falls under in the Oscars they should get a nominations definitely. Really loved everything visually in it.

-Acting all around was excellent. Winslet was great and the rest of the cast hit the right notes at the right time. I really indentified with Carrey's character and how he reacted to situations. It was interesting to see Dunst actually show a glimpse of talent in her roll.

-The score was beautiful.  

-Kate Winslet's crotch shot. Nothing needs to be said.

-Kaufman's realistic characters  and extremely down to earth dialogue. When you forget that these are really actors and not actual people I think you have done an excellent job.

Here are the very minute problems I had with it:
-The pace at one point was very frantic and just  visually stunning when they were going through Joel's memory wipe. I felt that the "science" aspect could have been downplayed a bit. I don't think there needed to be the focus on the cuts to the computer screen showing his brain and have Wilkenson's character come in and fix the program was kind of uneccessary I think. I guess what I'm trying to say is I kind of wish the movie had stayed in Joel's memories more rather than cutting to reality. I thought the most poignant portions of the film were inside his memories.

- The headgear Joel was wearing was a little over the top. Looked like something an old lady would wear while getting a perm.

-The placed advertsing. I saw a dorito's truck flash on the screen for a split second and a Chips Ahoy bag. That just annoys me.

-Did anyone else feel the plot was kind of haphasardly tied up with Dunst's character sending the tapes back to the people. I just thought it was forced a bit perhaps. Seems a bit predictable. Character involved in Act A. Act A affects character adversely. Character shows inhumanity in Act A. Just a thought...

These are just extremely minute details. I really loved this and like someone else said on the board I was already thinking about the dvd a minute after the film ending. 4 stars. 10/10. Great film. I want to see it again already.

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My similar inspiration:
Le Rouge Ballon

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haha, i remember that movie

Quote from: Chest RockwellWell it seems so far that you're alone in your opinion, cowboykurtis (not that I don't respect it). It seems you're the only one keeping yourself company with your double-post there.  :)

yes

Yeah, I liked it. But I think I was respectfully critical where I saw areas that didn't work. I imagine it'll get better with repeat viewings. I still don't think it'll be a huge hit (at least not by Carrey standards).

Quote from: mutinycoI still don't think it'll be a huge hit (at least not by Carrey standards).

Wow that's an intelligent thing to say

Quote from: cowboykurtisbeing a fan of charlie k, my expectations were much higher. with the posed subject( mind eraser, etc.), i felt it wasnt fully "realized" nor " utilized". they could have gone much further with the concept

Quote from: NEON MERCURY.its a great film .....but i wanted more i guess... .....i just thought they could have done more w/ it ......but maybe that has something to do with the high expectations of this film.....

..thats  it cowboy...after a day or two thinking about it..the"they should have done more with it" aspect strikes as the biggest knock against this film...previously i said something about the dark look of the film..and now i feel that it doesn't really bother me....anmd a agree w/ other about the solid acting for everyone .....and i'm cool w/ the winslet hype..she deserves it......
but i still can't ignore the fact that while ewatching this film it kind of bored me in the way of "there should be more to it"..the subjest of the film warrants more exporation or something but it didn't offer it ..all in all its still a great film......its number 2 this year behind The Passion of the Christ.....

saw it and loved it.  BUT.
I found Kate Winslett's character to be a bit corny.  It seems like guy screenwriters everywhere constantly struggle with how to write complex female characters so they always just settle for a lot of quirks.  Charlie Kaufman's guys can be quirky for very emotionally complex/ neurotic reasons, but his girls are always very single-minded: penis envy, boundless fascination with one man, or in this case, insecurity.
I think Woody Allen's like the only guy who knows how to write quirky ladies.
But that corniness didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, because the movie is way more about falling in love than about the girl anyways.

Quote from: petesaw it and loved it.  BUT.
I found Kate Winslett's character to be a bit corny.  It seems like guy screenwriters everywhere constantly struggle with how to write complex female characters so they always just settle for a lot of quirks.  Charlie Kaufman's guys can be quirky for very emotionally complex/ neurotic reasons, but his girls are always very single-minded: penis envy, boundless fascination with one man, or in this case, insecurity.
I think Woody Allen's like the only guy who knows how to write quirky ladies.
But that corniness didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, because the movie is way more about falling in love than about the girl anyways.

Clementine is Kaufman's most honest female character thus far.  Not to say that every woman is like her but there are plenty of women like her.  I don't think she was single-minded at all.  If anything, she had TOO MANY priorities, which was the problem.  

She's that (stereo?)typical geek goddess, the one that guys like Joel think will be perfect for them because she's not a dumb cheerleader Barbie doll but turns out to be a bundle of neuroses.  I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's known a girl like her, dated her and broken up badly with her.  Kate Winslet (mmmmmmmm) nailed it without a hint of caricature, I think.

I also know real girls like her and they're corny in real life too.

That's what I mean.  That's why Kaufman and Winslet got it right.

Quote from: petesaw it and loved it.  BUT.
I found Kate Winslett's character to be a bit corny.  It seems like guy screenwriters everywhere constantly struggle with how to write complex female characters so they always just settle for a lot of quirks.  Charlie Kaufman's guys can be quirky for very emotionally complex/ neurotic reasons, but his girls are always very single-minded: penis envy, boundless fascination with one man, or in this case, insecurity.
I think Woody Allen's like the only guy who knows how to write quirky ladies.
But that corniness didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, because the movie is way more about falling in love than about the girl anyways.

also, its all through joels perspective anyways.  so perhaps, the 'real' clementine is a more 3 dimensional person.  this is just how joel sees her.

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Quote from: petesaw it and loved it.  BUT.
I found Kate Winslett's character to be a bit corny.  It seems like guy screenwriters everywhere constantly struggle with how to write complex female characters so they always just settle for a lot of quirks.  Charlie Kaufman's guys can be quirky for very emotionally complex/ neurotic reasons, but his girls are always very single-minded: penis envy, boundless fascination with one man, or in this case, insecurity.
I think Woody Allen's like the only guy who knows how to write quirky ladies.
But that corniness didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, because the movie is way more about falling in love than about the girl anyways.

also, its all through joels perspective anyways.  so perhaps, the 'real' clementine is a more 3 dimensional person.  this is just how joel sees her.

I agree with that.  But it could be argued that that's a cop-out excuse, like how some people think the ending of Adaptation was a cop-out, instead of irony.

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also, its all through joels perspective anyways.  so perhaps, the 'real' clementine is a more 3 dimensional person.  this is just how joel sees her.

this a comment can not apply in this context -- perception is truth -- the viewer percieves through joel's eyes -- you cant refer to a hypothetically "real" celmentine -- this real clementine doesnt exist -- the only existence is joels perception -- thats all were given, thats all that counts, thats all that exists.

anyone wanna bone clementine when she played joel's house-sitter in that sexy black dress. that was probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

just as i thought...i LOVED this film. its been critiqued enough, so i will just give my two  :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup: most likely will be in my top 10 of the year as i suspected. the trailer was fucking cool and the movie was fucking cool. i dont care what anyone says jim carrey can act. comedy, drama, what the fuck...he can do it. and yes, i enjoyed The Majestic.

First, storytime.

I wanted to see this movie opening night but because I was with my NCAA Basketball watching friends that night, I went to see Dawn of the Dead.  I had promised my g/f much earlier that I'd see the movie with her.  Now some have been angry about money going to Dawn of the Dead, I simply ask that you see it before you say much more.  I went into not wanting to see it and loved it.

But this isn't about Dawn of the Dead, it's about Eternal Sunshine.  I did go see it with my g/f and I'm glad.  I fell in love, or realized all the reasons I loved her, all over again during this movie.  I kept thinking about what a race through our memories would be like.

As you can probably tell by the emotional impact the film had on me, I thought it was great.  The writing was top notch.  The beauty of Kauffman is to make the most crazy shit happen in his scripts, but the moments between and during the craziness feel so real and genuine.  Gondry's style was funnelled very effectively into the film.  I was a little afraid it was going to be too over the top, with multiple Kylies showing up.  The film felt like a stylized dogme picture.  The documentary style mixed with incredible visuals.  

I'm a huge Jim Carrey fan and that would have been enough for me to see this film no matter who directed it.  I believe he is one of the, if not the best, actor working today.  Looking back at everyones posts and thoughts, Joel is mentioned...not Jim Carrey.  Although his star power is undeniable, he still sinks into his roles and make you forget that this is Jim Carrey.  I agree with all of the Winslett comments on here, she was great.  She fleshed out a character and by the end of the movie, through the disjuncture we could still see her arc.  The supporting roles did what they should do, they supported beautifully but didn't steal the show (which they shouldn't).

Music was great.  Jon Brion scores again.  Question, did Mr Blue Sky play during the movie?  I was disappointed that it didn't.

After seeing the public go nuts over The Passion of the Jesus, and the critics go nuts over Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.  I am reminded of who I trust more.  I hope this movie will build up with word of mouth.  It still won't make that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure everyone involved knew this.   The truth is the public just isn't smart enough to appreciate films like this, or atleast be interested and seeing it.

I have a feeling that this movie will end up being placed in the Punch-Drunk Love category for me.  A film that I am always in the mood and want to watch.  A film that hits me as being more and more powerful with every viewing.  A film who I want to have like a million of it's babies.

PS> One of the worst things about not seeing a movie on opening weekend, having to read through multiple pages about it on here afterwards.

EDIT:
Believe it or not I have more to say.  A couple of lingering questions.
Did Joel have a job?  He did, but what was it?  Call me dumb, but was the film shot in DV?  I forgot to pay attention to that aspect.  

SPOILERS
I realized the beginning was after the procedure very early and I wish that I wouldn't have.

My heart broke each and everytime he lost a memory.

About the end, do you think "ok" meant"
"I don't care that it didn't work.  Maybe it will work this time?"
or
"I know it won't work, but lets atleast enjoy the ride"

Also, the last shot.  Someone proposed that it means their memories get wiped multiple times.  Do you really think that is it?  I had the feeling that Lacuna would fold.  Would they get their memories wiped again if they knew that they had them wiped before?  Which brings up bigger questions, is it really love if it doesn't work out and continues to not work out?
End of Spoilers

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About the end, do you think "ok" meant"
"I don't care that it didn't work.  Maybe it will work this time?"
or
"I know it won't work, but lets atleast enjoy the ride"

Answer in white:

I think it could be a mix of both. "Okay, I don't mind that it didn't work out before because maybe it'll work out this time. But hey, if it doesn't work out, at least we can enjoy the ride and cherish our memories together."

SPOILERS (highlight):
Joel had a job, which he skipped (called in sick for) at the beginning.  I'm pretty sure that we never learn what it is that he does.  The "Okay" part, to me, just meant "I want to be with you."  Because they were still buzzed for having "just met (again)."

The way I see it, Lacuna does go out of business.  The last shot works in a metaphorical way.  Through the repeating, it simply suggests the idea of going through it again and again and that love always finds its way back to your heart (well, it never leaves) and if one WERE to do it many times, they would still come back to that same spot over and over again.  I didn't take it literally.  Although it could mean that this (what we saw) was the 10th time that it happened (before Lacuna finally went down), but I personally just take it in a larger, metaphorical sense.

to SHAFTR: joel was a cartoonist and mr. blue sky did not play during the film.  it was not shot on DV.

I understand the praise of this film in regards to those who like this film and had problems with Kaufman's earlier work and am surprised by some people who have come to really like this film (mutinyco, mainly) but even with the improvements I do see in Kaufman's writing here, this film is still as superficial as his other original stories. The biggest plus of this film i that even though it takes longer to explain the gimmick here than it did with Adaptation and Being John Malkovich, the gimmick doesn't intrude as much. I really did feel the story taking over and the gimmick being reduced to interludes of a story that honestly was feeling something for the characters. Pretensious drama still wasn't marked out though. Through out the film Kirsten Dunst obviously had little value to the overall story so I kept thinking her a hot young actress who just wanted to find some way into the new Charlie Kaufman movie. When she was given a *spoiler* dramatic revelation at the end, Kaufman was hitting his usual sour note of desperation to go dramatic beyond what was required. Ruffalo went the entire way of playing a character with almost nothing to do. Wood had importance I guess, but he seemed to be playing a tool character there just to interfere in the main romance. Wilkonson had the chops to play the doctor, but his character outline was too limited to give him his end dramatic moments. The film should have stuck to a portrait on the main two characters.

Then there is the problem with their story. Yes, the film had an achievement of getting lost in the emotions of their relationship and causing us to spin with them through every fight and wild idea, but the film was only looking to the relationship on superficial depths. The film felt like it was handing us the drama on silver platter. It was obvious the characters were niched and carved out to appeal to a certain demographic, to specifically outline pains and traumas through symbolism and flashbacks that couldn't be more obvious. The thought process of this film identifying what these characters stood for and who'd they appeal to took center stage over the creative process of the film losing itself in their ambiguilty, to actually follow the characters in them trying to search for themselves. All we have to wonder about is if we identify ourselves as the misunderstood, brimming with wild ideas, loner. We understand the journey of the characters from point A to B in the first half hour because their profiles are so blatant. The film just has to get to the plot to show us how we're right. The problem with these movies for me is that they seem to feel half of their battle is just in appealing to the right audience. By the way a lot of people responded to the film on this thread, there is a feeling of being rewarded because the film is recognizing their personalities. I saw a lot of my friends and myself in this film, but the reminders were all too blatant to really ring true.

Then there is Kate Winslet and Jim Carrey. Winslet is a fine actress and Carrey couldn't be more overrated. Both seem shackles for the stereotypes they are forced to play. Winslet's definition of character in this film seems to come from confessional scenes while the rest of her scenes are explosions to act against the quiet shyness in Carrey's character so the film can move on with its easy drama. The character profile never becomes focused or tonally whole to create a portrait. Carrey finds himself hidden beneath a chuck most of the time, going unshaven to just fit the personality. His outbursts of emotion show when he wants to act, he is a very general actor who is replaceable by anyone. Too many moments in the film recall the weirdness that is his Hollywood persona, weirdness that beckons to something closer to his own hollywood image instead of playing a character that would be entirely foreign to him.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetCarrey finds himself hidden beneath a chuck most of the time, going unshaven to just fit the personality. His outbursts of emotion show when he wants to act, he is a very general actor who is replaceable by anyone. Too many moments in the film recall the weirdness that is his Hollywood persona, weirdness that beckons to something closer to his own hollywood image instead of playing a character that would be entirely foreign to him.

Carrey dug deep for 'Spotless'

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Jim Carrey says he couldn't have played the lead role in "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" if he hadn't been through some painful relationships.

In the movie, Carrey's character tries to have memories of his girlfriend (Kate Winslet) erased after she's had him wiped from her mind.

The 42-year-old actor, twice divorced, says he dug into his own experiences to star in the film.

"I couldn't really have done it if I hadn't been through a lot. One way or the other. Either you're the one erasing or you're the one being erased, so it's not a pleasant feeling," he said.

When asked if there's a relationship he'd erase from his memory, Carrey said, "I would never tell you. Oh, that would entail me opening up the most crucial intimacy of my life and I can't do that."

what i like about GT is that he can write and write without really ever saying anything.

I thought he did a good job this time of explaining what he didn't like about the movie, actually...

Quote from: themodernage02what i like about GT is that he can write and write without really ever saying anything.

What I hate about this board is exactly that. It is of your opinion I ramble endlessly without making many points that are conclusive, fine, but you don't explain it to give me a fair shake. your comment there is basically a prick comment. People expected me to dislike this film and were ready to dismiss it and move on that I didn't even want to review it. There are no real debates here anymore, just stupid arguments over stupid shit that ends up with people thinking they caused a fight by bringing something up. Its dumb and juvenile and has become the ID of this board.

Quote from: RegularKarateyour robotic movie-reviewing auto-reactions don't allow you to enjoy this film.

whoa, weird. GT, your reviews tend to sometimes be circlejerks; they just go round and round without ever getting anywhere.  you seem to be way more concerned with the style of your writing than you are with actually having an opinion on anything that means anything.  if you dont like the movie because you dont find the acting believable, just say so. or if you dont like the movie because you dont feel the premise doesnt ever really take off, just say so. or if you dont like it because you feel the direction is not coherent, just say so.  but your reviews dont say anything.  all that writing without ever really saying whether or not you liked the movie.  or with its faults, found it worthwhile, or any good?  or better than other kauffmans movies?  or whether you connected with it on any sort of emotional level?  all of your complaints/complements seem to cancel each other out.  'yes the film acheived this, but it also did this.' 'yes, the film was trying to do this but it also did this.'  you said its superficial, but didnt say what was wrong with being so.  you said carrey was playinga  character too close to himself, but whats wrong with that?  reading your reviews are like reading what it would be like if computers could review a movie.  i'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to have discussions or debates with you about the film if they even knew where to begin.  you dont seem to have any OPINION on the film that anyone can discuss.  you just bring things up and dismiss them. whats the point?

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Quote from: RegularKarateyour robotic movie-reviewing auto-reactions don't allow you to enjoy this film.

whoa, weird. GT, your reviews tend to sometimes be circlejerks; they just go round and round without ever getting anywhere.  you seem to be way more concerned with the style of your writing than you are with actually having an opinion on anything that means anything.  if you dont like the movie because you dont find the acting believable, just say so. or if you dont like the movie because you dont feel the premise doesnt ever really take off, just say so. or if you dont like it because you feel the direction is not coherent, just say so.  but your reviews dont say anything.  all that writing without ever really saying whether or not you liked the movie.  or with its faults, found it worthwhile, or any good?  or better than other kauffmans movies?  or whether you connected with it on any sort of emotional level?  all of your complaints/complements seem to cancel each other out.  'yes the film acheived this, but it also did this.' 'yes, the film was trying to do this but it also did this.'  you said its superficial, but didnt say what was wrong with being so.  you said carrey was playinga  character too close to himself, but whats wrong with that?  reading your reviews are like reading what it would be like if computers could review a movie.  i'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to have discussions or debates with you about the film if they even knew where to begin.  you dont seem to have any OPINION on the film that anyone can discuss.  you just bring things up and dismiss them. whats the point?

its called PIP: psuedo intellectual plague

Quote from: peteI also know real girls like her and they're corny in real life too.

Yea but that's the thing, like her or not, Clementine is a truthful character. Sure, she's kinda corny in a Penny Lane type way but I don't really see how she could be found to be annoying. I thought she was really funny actually. I laughed at some of the scenes with her solely because of how fucking real they were. Just out of total disbelief that I was watching a film and not real life. I swear to god I must have walked with some girl on an icy road while she says "slidey slidey". That's probably happened to me, I swear, I wouldn't be surprised at all, lol.

Quoteanyone wanna bone clementine when she played joel's house-sitter in that sexy black dress. that was probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

Lol, nice name SmellyBoob Fungues....yea, she was pretty fucking hot in that scene. But what about at the end when she bends over with that thong on to look at her black and blue mark in the mirror? You must remember that scene.

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Quote from: RegularKarateyour robotic movie-reviewing auto-reactions don't allow you to enjoy this film.

whoa, weird. GT, your reviews tend to sometimes be circlejerks; they just go round and round without ever getting anywhere.  you seem to be way more concerned with the style of your writing than you are with actually having an opinion on anything that means anything.  if you dont like the movie because you dont find the acting believable, just say so. or if you dont like the movie because you dont feel the premise doesnt ever really take off, just say so. or if you dont like it because you feel the direction is not coherent, just say so.  but your reviews dont say anything.  all that writing without ever really saying whether or not you liked the movie.  or with its faults, found it worthwhile, or any good?  or better than other kauffmans movies?  or whether you connected with it on any sort of emotional level?  all of your complaints/complements seem to cancel each other out.  'yes the film acheived this, but it also did this.' 'yes, the film was trying to do this but it also did this.'  you said its superficial, but didnt say what was wrong with being so.  you said carrey was playinga  character too close to himself, but whats wrong with that?  reading your reviews are like reading what it would be like if computers could review a movie.  i'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to have discussions or debates with you about the film if they even knew where to begin.  you dont seem to have any OPINION on the film that anyone can discuss.  you just bring things up and dismiss them. whats the point?

OK, thats better, so in essence, I have the problem of James Agee, a film critic notorious for calling something bad but then speaking of the good that is within that bad? Fine.

I still disagree though. Its likely just sloppy writing on my part and some were able to comprehend my opinion (Ghostboy) and some not. I was in a rush to write it and get it done. I thought I clearly stated how the writing was superficial but yet how it was better than Kaufman's earlier original stories because it did get past the gimmick dominating the film. Maybe you just didn't get that out of my writing. OK. Your responce just really sounded prickish.

You also quoted RK and if he responded to me and deleted his post, grow some balls. You continually complain about the tone of my writing and assume its my character in real life. Hardly. Its just me not wanting to live my through a fucking message board. I keep as impersonal as I can here.

gold trumpet just out curiosity where in northern michigan are you -- is it the UP? i have a cabin around eagle river.

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You also quoted RK and if he responded to me and deleted his post, grow some balls...blah blah blah

whoah... GT, you and I haven't had beef in months.  This quote was out of context from a different thread... I wasn't even referring to you, I was referring to Weak.  I haven't even seen this effing movie yet.

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You also quoted RK and if he responded to me and deleted his post, grow some balls...blah blah blah

whoah... GT, you and I haven't had beef in months.  This quote was out of context from a different thread... I wasn't even referring to you, I was referring to Weak.  I haven't even seen this effing movie yet.

Then I'll impale modernage again for false quotations. Apologies.

Quote from: cowboykurtisgold trumpet just out curiosity where in northern michigan are you -- is it the UP? i have a cabin around eagle river.

I'm in the UP and (risks stalkers) and Escanaba is the city I currently live in. I don't think I'm anywhere near you.

Well I personally (think I) understood GT's comments. A lot of times I can't stand reading his reviews, but this one was fine. He reminds me of this guy on IMDb, tedg, who writes some of the coolest reviews ever and with the fanciest language I've seen in film critiques. Perhaps GT = TedG....hmm....
Either way, I respect your opinions there, GT, though I don't necessarily agree. I'm not in the mood for a debate though, and need a couple more viewings to have a complete grasp on the film in the first place before I can ever dream of debating about it.

No offense to GT, but where tedg is concerned there is no comparison.  tedg has written some of the most creative, unique film criticisms I've ever read (http://us.imdb.com/user/ur0643062/comments), whereas GT simply criticizes everything without any rhyme or reason.  And the writing isn't that strong, either.  I just wish for once he would respond to a film on an emotional level.  Then maybe just for once we could get a sense of where he's coming from.

Quote from: themodernage02what i like about GT is that he can write and write without really ever saying anything.

Agreed.  It really boggles the mind.  His exact complaints were why I loved the movie.  Most of the time he seems to dislike something just to be the only one to do so, and his criticisms are rarely founded in any sort of valid logic.  Carrey proved himself here to be a great actor; he literally disappeared into the role when it was called for, and used his comedic skills when it was necessary in his dreams.  I forgot it was him most of the time.  A sign of true talent.

GT's reviews are almost as painful to read as this: http://www.timecube.com/  The only thing I agree with him about is Ruffalo's character being given nothing to do.  But as for Dunst being extraneous, he couldn't be more off.  And remember, it's OKAY to like a movie, GT.  Sure, they can be art, but they're supposed to be fun, they're supposed to be entertainment, and you're not Pauline Kael.

It really is painful/annoying/infuriating seeing someone dedicate so much time to movie discussion but seem to hate most of them so much.  And these are all quality movies that he's hating on.  Point being, try as I may to respect GT's opinions (and I do mostly for the time taken to formulate them), the poor writing and circular tendencies in his posts greatly detract from all of that.  It would be great if he took a writing course or two or something.  Getting an editor would be a bit over-the-top.  Hehe.

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaNo offense to GT, but where tedg is concerned there is no comparison.  tedg has written some of the most creative, unique film criticisms I've ever read (http://us.imdb.com/user/ur0643062/comments), whereas GT simply criticizes everything without any rhyme or reason.  And the writing isn't that strong, either.  I just wish for once he would respond to a film on an emotional level.  Then maybe just for once we could get a sense of where he's coming from.

Quote from: themodernage02what i like about GT is that he can write and write without really ever saying anything.

Agreed.  It really boggles the mind.  His exact complaints were why I loved the movie.  Most of the time he seems to dislike something just to be the only one to do so, and his criticisms are rarely founded in any sort of valid logic.  Carrey proved himself here to be a great actor; he literally disappeared into the role when it was called for, and used his comedic skills when it was necessary in his dreams.  I forgot it was him most of the time.  A sign of true talent.

GT's reviews are almost as painful to read as this: http://www.timecube.com/  The only thing I agree with him about is Ruffalo's character being given nothing to do.  But as for Dunst being extraneous, he couldn't be more off.  And remember, it's OKAY to like a movie, GT.  Sure, they can be art, but they're supposed to be fun, they're supposed to be entertainment, and you're not Pauline Kael.

It really is painful/annoying/infuriating seeing someone dedicate so much time to movie discussion but seem to hate most of them so much.  And these are all quality movies that he's hating on.  Point being, try as I may to respect GT's opinions (and I do mostly for the time taken to formulate them), the poor writing and circular tendencies in his posts greatly detract from all of that.  It would be great if he took a writing course or two or something.  Getting an editor would be a bit over-the-top.  Hehe.

"It really is painful/annoying/infuriating seeing someone dedicate so much time movie discussion but seem to hate most of them so much." I am pessimistic, but I think I've been kinder to movies than you say I have. The main reason I am replying is because your accusation of my posts being endless in the same points and filled with fury feels exactly like this post here. You make your point and just continue on, repeating it in every way you can imagine, just about putting my face in the mud by the end of it all. I'm trying to improve, really, but this I can't take serious.

Repetition/parallelism is usually used to make a point.  I'm not trying to beat it in to you or anything.  I'm not that sadistic.  But I think this is something we've all pointed out in the past.  At least you understand it now.

he's understood it for at least a year.. here's how i dealt with GT's english problems in the Clockwork Orange thread.

Quote from: Pubrickdid u get through school with this same style of writing? i mean, surely ur teachers must've said sumthing. or at least failed u.

i can't be the only one that feels sick after reading ur over-simplified to the point of losing the meaning of the sentences that ur trying to explain in words that u make into long winded things that in the end there's really no point in any long stretch of writing that u've begun cos in the attempt to make it unambiguously expressive u seem to hav settled on the notion that writing like an undisciplined 5yr old is good enuff to pass for english communication of ideas. i can't be the only one.

we might believe in the same things, i think, from the times i've managed to not fall asleep while reading ur stuff, but this is no minor point. i would like to argue with u non-sarcastically about why u hate A Clockwork Orange and other dumb shit u say, and maybe talk sum sense into ur babbling, but i really really can't stand the way u would reply. so i'm tellin ya, i hav points that counter what u've written in a serious manner, but when i [write] with ppl i like it to be a 2-way thing.

sorry dude, i know u prolly talk like a normal person. it's just a shame, u know.

so i think the real annoyance is not the writing, cos u've improved a little, ur using sentences now.. it's that the style in which u write is still so irritating that everyone would like to argue with u about sumthing but u leave no room for it. i think that's what i came to realise. ur reviews are so mechanical and dull that to argue with them would only bring on more of the thing that ppl hate about them.

but on the whole, i enjoy ur bad reviews way more than mutinyco's ones. his problems go beyond his writing.

This isn't turning into another GT circle jerk thread. It's turning into another attack GT circle jerk thread.

I think the overwhelmingly positive praise here is out of line. I liked the movie. But it certainly had problems. Kaufman has a general inability to ground his stories. It's like they're sealed off and exist unto themselves -- even though they seem to take place in reality. Also, I never bought Joel and Clementine's romance. I thought there was no chemistry between Carrey and Winslet (miscast). And considering that's the point of the drama -- even though they've both been brainwashed they still find each other -- it kind of hampers the film a bit.

I haven't been a fan of Kaufman's till now. I usually find his work to be a bunch of gimmicks that don't really develop in any significant way. But like I said, Sunshine will probably get better with repeat viewings.

While I liked the film, I too had some problems with it.  The whole Kirsten Dunst subplot with the doctor didn't seem at all important.  I liked the idea that Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, and Elijah Wood were goofing around, drinking beer, etc. while Jim Carrey was sleeping, but I don't think any more significance should have been written for their characters.  As for the Carrey-Winslet chemistry, I don't remember having a problem with it.

I definitely liked the film a lot and I want to see it again soon, but Adaptation is probably my favorite Kaufman film so far.

Quote from: mutinycoAlso, I never bought Joel and Clementine's romance. I thought there was no chemistry between Carrey and Winslet (miscast). And considering that's the point of the drama.

agreed

Quote from: Pubrickur reviews are so mechanical and dull that to argue with them would only bring on more of the thing that ppl hate about them.

Fuck! I know. I have a story to explain this....See, for the last 2 years, I've been limited to in my learning to just professional critiques and books with names longer than most sentences. I've kinda adapated that style of writing knowing I didn't have the language chops to back it up. I use to go to this one website where I used make sick jokes in the dryest humor and people would get offended. It was with this language and I liked the responce. I've brought it over and over the last year, have honed it to writing better sentence. (I think) Its weird because here I really am into just the movies and am only now interacting with people around me who are also into films, thus dropping my approach of talk. I just need to apply it here. It'll take time but i'm going into this without ego and admitting most faults so bare with me.

hey, can we see a picture of you? cuz i really think if i had a picture to go along with ur, um, prose or whatever you want to call it, it might help.

it's really not that bad. i mean, if you break down each individual sentence (or fragments, i should say) they make sense. it's just as a whole, when you put them together, they go in so many different directions that after about 7 seconds of reading them this happens: :brickwall: - its kinda like when you throw a rubber bouncy ball (how fun are those!) in a shower and close the door real quick like- you know how the ball will bounce all over the place randomly/unpredictably? that's what your sentences do.

Quote from: C:\BRADhey, can we see a picture of you? cuz i really think if i had a picture to go along with ur, um, prose or whatever you want to call it, it might help.

it's really not that bad. i mean, if you break down each individual sentence (or fragments, i should say) they make sense. it's just as a whole, when you put them together, they go in so many different directions that after about 7 seconds of reading them this.

Again, understood. Also, what do you think I look like? If you got the pic, show it. I'll tell you how far off base you are. I remember Godardian imagined me as some french actor before.

GT is one of the small handful of people on here who actually write reviews (I'm not saying I am one of them, but I'd like to be).  I rarely agree with GT on his opinions on films but I always see what he is saying.  I'd rather review a negative review with reasons than a positive review without.

QuoteIt really is painful/annoying/infuriating seeing someone dedicate so much time to movie discussion but seem to hate most of them so much.  And these are all quality movies that he's hating on.

Yea, this is really the only thing I don't like about the whole critiquing thing. I could care less about the spelling errors and whatnot cause god knows I'm no advocate of such things myself but it just starts to seem like overkill when I actually have to struggle to find a good review by somebody (like GT in this case). I mean, it gets to a point where it seems to me like you should just stop seeing movies altogether GT, as ridiculous as it sounds. I mean, I would have to if I were in a situation like yours man....disliking so many of the movies that I see, even the ones I look forward to. Me personally, I just wouldn't be able to take that kind of disappointment with such frequency. It just seems like you never really love a movie. There's a bunch you'll like, sure, but you seem to have more hate for the bad ones and less love for the good ones. That's just so depressing to me. All this is not to say I think writing sucks though, I don't mind your reviews all that much at all and I do read them in their entirety, even when I disagree as immediately as three-four words into the first sentence.

Quote from: mutinycoI haven't been a fan of Kaufman's till now. I usually find his work to be a bunch of gimmicks that don't really develop in any significant way.

Yea but now your talking about BJM and "Adaptation" all of a sudden. Just stick with "Sunshine", it's the first movie he's made where his intention above all was seemingly to entertain rather than to impress.

QuoteBut like I said, Sunshine will probably get better with repeat viewings.

There we go. Now your on the right track.

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Quote from: C:\BRADhey, can we see a picture of you? cuz i really think if i had a picture to go along with ur, um, prose or whatever you want to call it, it might help.

it's really not that bad. i mean, if you break down each individual sentence (or fragments, i should say) they make sense. it's just as a whole, when you put them together, they go in so many different directions that after about 7 seconds of reading them this.

Again, understood. Also, what do you think I look like? If you got the pic, show it. I'll tell you how far off base you are. I remember Godardian imagined me as some french actor before.

um, if i had to guess, i'd say a more reserved, toned down version of

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with the glasses, but w/o the hyper-enthusiastic dorkiness and blatant homosexuality.

and beaman and everyone else- enough w/ this negative stuff. really, who cares anymore. gt's pessimism balances out the overly-energetic oh-my-god-freak-out-fanboy babble that continues to dominate the board.

Nah. SHAFTR's avatar is probably more accurate...

Quote from: mutinycoNah. SHAFTR's avatar is probably more accurate...

If GT was Grig from The Last Starfighter....no one would dislike him or his opinions.

HAHAHAHA...andy dick...C:\BRAD, that's hilarious....but way off base, trust me, i know. I said a bunch of other crap in this message previously...don't mind me...i'm a woman...hormones run rampant in me and make me all CooCoo...hehehe

this GT thing is no big deal, if u bothered reading the thread, or know anything about GT's history here, u'd know we like him very much.. so much so that we didn't wanna ban him even when he requested it.

so stop being a troll or get the fuck off this site. thanks.

well, good to know...i like the troll comment...fitting, cuz i'm short

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThrough out the film Kirsten Dunst obviously had little value to the overall story so I kept thinking her a hot young actress who just wanted to find some way into the new Charlie Kaufman movie. When she was given a *spoiler* dramatic revelation at the end, Kaufman was hitting his usual sour note of desperation to go dramatic beyond what was required. Ruffalo went the entire way of playing a character with almost nothing to do. Wood had importance I guess, but he seemed to be playing a tool character there just to interfere in the main romance. Wilkonson had the chops to play the doctor, but his character outline was too limited to give him his end dramatic moments. The film should have stuck to a portrait on the main two characters.

gt,  what up??..........i for  agree w/ the point shere that you made......the rest of the supporting cast wasn't used right (th efilm should have used them more...not as much as gondry did for the theatrical cut)....as i said before this film needed to be fleshed out more.....and i especoially agree about anything negative w/ dunst......man she's whack.......as for your posts i enjoy them..your fresh  man....keep it up...... :yabbse-thumbup:

a few of you have said that Kirsten's role was insignificant, but remember............she is who sent the letters out, so it is she who started the story going........also, in the original screenplay there was a little more depth to her character........

that out of the way, i love the film. i was smiling most of the time. i laughed the hardest when mom walked in while he was wanking.......and i found Kate the hottest when Carrey was a kid and she in the 70's dress...........i just don't understand this backlash on Charlie. .....i think anyone with original idea and/or acclaim.....well......people are just going to hate them just because of that..........so i say to you.........go on and hate all you want and i will be made happy by Charlie's stories.

AND I'M FUCKING TIRED OF EVERYONE ACTING LIKE HUMAN NATURE WAS NEVER MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

human what?

I liked Kirsten.

I don't hate Charlie. I just think that a lot of his films contain creative ideas used as gimmicks instead of fully developing them.

I was never a fan of Human Nature. In my opinion, it's easily Kaufman's worst film.

I think Kaufman does have gimmicky premises, but he goes sooo far with them so in a way I really admire it.  For example, in Being John Malkavich he really covers all scenerios of what might happen if that were true--where do they go in, where they come out, what happens if more than one people go in there, what happens if malkavich goes in there...etc.  So in that sense I really admire it.  He's got a hell of an imagination to entertain people for two hours with premises that sound like SNL sketches.

Quote from: Chest RockwellI was never a fan of Human Nature. In my opinion, it's easily Kaufman's worst film.

Yep I agree

I'm not talking about the thrust of the drama, per se. But the window dressing. That half floor in Malkovich got tired FAST. Same with the speech impediment. Or what about the puppet show at the beginning? Funny, and the story depicted does relate, but we're given no explaination for why he would choose such an obscure topic. Or the whole twins setup of Adaptation. Or the 3rd act turnaround with the drugs and affair, etc. Do you follow? They're things that seem to me gimmicks. They're never really developed. Just used enough to call attention to their strangeness and that's it. I think a better writer would be able to use these elements to some sort of dramatic progression, not just style.

Agreed.

Quote from: NEON MERCURYgt,  what up??

Not much. nice hearing from you again. hey, if you want to at all, you can start up that Ask The Gold Trumpet thread again. I want to get back into those mini movie reviews big time again.

And yea, CBRAD, the usual applied image i've given, but way off. I really liked godardian's suggestion more. I think it was the guy who played Antoine Doinel in the Francois Traffaut films.

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Quote from: NEON MERCURYgt,  what up??

Not much. nice hearing from you again. hey, if you want to at all, you can start up that Ask The Gold Trumpet thread again. I want to get back into those mini movie reviews big time again.

And yea, CBRAD, the usual applied image i've given, but way off. I really liked godardian's suggestion more. I think it was the guy who played Antoine Doinel in the Francois Traffaut films.

.definately, ..in the next day or two i'll give you a list of 5.... i gotta look through that thread to make sure i don't ask you about the same ones twice....  8)

what about Confessions of a Dangerous mind? No gimmick there.  Sure it wasn't very well received, but i liked it.

Quote from: Tictacbkwhat about Confessions of a Dangerous mind? No gimmick there.  Sure it wasn't very well received, but i liked it.

Absolutely. Its really an excellent film and I think what kept Kaufman from using gimmicks is that he was adapting a book first and foremost. It has his standard quircky humor, but it seems more controlled and better distributed through out the film so moments of the film don't jump out as being "off the wall". When I first watched Being John Malkovich, points in the film just stood out for being too outrageous that the flow and development of the story suffered. Confessions is really the best handling of a story Kaufman has ever done and also, might I say, an impeccable job of filmmaking from Clooney.

Yep.

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Quote from: Tictacbkwhat about Confessions of a Dangerous mind? No gimmick there.  Sure it wasn't very well received, but i liked it.

Absolutely. Its really an excellent film and I think what kept Kaufman from using gimmicks is that he was adapting a book first and foremost. It has his standard quircky humor, but it seems more controlled and better distributed through out the film so moments of the film don't jump out as being "off the wall". When I first watched Being John Malkovich, points in the film just stood out for being too outrageous that the flow and development of the story suffered. Confessions is really the best handling of a story Kaufman has ever done and also, might I say, an impeccable job of filmmaking from Clooney.

I've only agreed with you two times to my knowledge, GT. This and Irreversible.

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I think Kirsten Dunst's story had some significance, even beyond the simple plot point of her sending out the letters.

Her story serves as an additional story to parallel the story of Joel and Clem.  The idea is that love always finds it's way back; those feelings never die, and if we lose the memories of our experiences, we'll still go and follow our true feelings to lead us back to what we had erased.

Mary loves the doctor.  She had their affair erased (they both decided that was the best thing to do) but those feelings never went away.  It lead her to start it up again by kissing him.  I think it's through the doctor's faith in the memory erasing that he allowed her to continue working there (otherwise, she would have been fired so as to just make a clean break).

I think that's part of the movie's ideas: that we're more than the sum of our memories, but rather, we truly have deeper emotions that could never disappear--and that partly dictates the actions that we take in our lives, and could very likely lead us back to what we tried to forget.

With Mary's story paralleling Joel and Clem's story (the romance always starts up again), it suggests that this is not unique to Joel and Clem, so it sort of broadens up this whole idea and applies it to probably nearly everyone who has had that procedure.

That's actually a good point, matt.

I'm a very happy girl tonight because I've finally seen a Kaufman movie that hasn't let me down. I'll simply agree with comments prior to all this GT drama and spare you more repetitive gushing.

Quote from: matt35mmSPOILERS BELOW

I think Kirsten Dunst's story had some significance, even beyond the simple plot point of her sending out the letters.

Her story serves as an additional story to parallel the story of Joel and Clem.  The idea is that love always finds it's way back; those feelings never die, and if we lose the memories of our experiences, we'll still go and follow our true feelings to lead us back to what we had erased.

Mary loves the doctor.  She had their affair erased (they both decided that was the best thing to do) but those feelings never went away.  It lead her to start it up again by kissing him.  I think it's through the doctor's faith in the memory erasing that he allowed her to continue working there (otherwise, she would have been fired so as to just make a clean break).

I think that's part of the movie's ideas: that we're more than the sum of our memories, but rather, we truly have deeper emotions that could never disappear--and that partly dictates the actions that we take in our lives, and could very likely lead us back to what we tried to forget.

With Mary's story paralleling Joel and Clem's story (the romance always starts up again), it suggests that this is not unique to Joel and Clem, so it sort of broadens up this whole idea and applies it to probably nearly everyone who has had that procedure.

One interesting thing about her character -- if I remember correctly, in the original script, she learns that she also not only had an affair with the doctor, but also got pregnant and had an abortion.

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One interesting thing about her character -- if I remember correctly, in the original script, she learns that she also not only had an affair with the doctor, but also got pregnant and had an abortion.

That would have been so sad

Quote from: Chest RockwellThat's actually a good point, matt.

THANKS!!  ... you sound surprised... :wink:

I saw this.

It was alright.

Kirsten was outclassed though, I think.

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I think Kirsten Dunst's story had some significance, even beyond the simple plot point of her sending out the letters.

Her story serves as an additional story to parallel the story of Joel and Clem.  The idea is that love always finds it's way back; those feelings never die, and if we lose the memories of our experiences, we'll still go and follow our true feelings to lead us back to what we had erased.

Mary loves the doctor.  She had their affair erased (they both decided that was the best thing to do) but those feelings never went away.  It lead her to start it up again by kissing him.  I think it's through the doctor's faith in the memory erasing that he allowed her to continue working there (otherwise, she would have been fired so as to just make a clean break).

I think that's part of the movie's ideas: that we're more than the sum of our memories, but rather, we truly have deeper emotions that could never disappear--and that partly dictates the actions that we take in our lives, and could very likely lead us back to what we tried to forget.

With Mary's story paralleling Joel and Clem's story (the romance always starts up again), it suggests that this is not unique to Joel and Clem, so it sort of broadens up this whole idea and applies it to probably nearly everyone who has had that procedure.

One interesting thing about her character -- if I remember correctly, in the original script, she learns that she also not only had an affair with the doctor, but also got pregnant and had an abortion.

I still disagree. Yes, you could say Kirsten Dunst's story is a parallel to Joel and Clem's to reinforce their type of love story, but it isn't really necessary because the conviction of Joel and Clem's story is what is suppose to convince the audience of this love. Kirsten Dunst's story just reduces this idea of love to a few emotional scenes that are quickly detailed and explained, thus giving the romance that the film was following the entire way through a thorough explanation of what it signifies when the bulk of the movie, the actual romance, is suppose to do that. Also, this idea that another story adds weight to the main one feels like the bad multiple witness idea for trials. It supposes that a witness is not good for his/her believability, but how many other witnesses they have to back them up when the believability really resides in the conviction of that one witness.

And I'm glad they dropped the abortion scene..that would have went over the edge in pandering for an emotional responce from the audience.

I'm glad that they dropped the abortion scene, too.

Well, I wouldn't say that Kirsten's story added to the weight of the main one, but rather that it reinforced the idea of people coming back to the same people.  Stories and ideas and emotions are related, but they're not the same thing.  I'd say that was an idea thing, and it has nothing to do with Joel and Clem's story, I agree.  The movie is just a little more than Joel and Clem's story, though.  That's just the choice of the filmmakers.  They could've focused entirely on Joel and Clem, but they did decide to leave that story to go to a second story.  No, they weren't related, really.

Personally, I like parallels in stories.  I like when they complement each other in terms of the ideas that they're trying to communicate.  These two stories don't have anything to do with each other EXCEPT for that they share this idea.

It worked for me, at least.  But I know how it could be weird to go from Joel's mind to suddenly some scenes that take place completely with Joel or Clem (with just the doctor and Mary, outside by the car).  I did notice that it was a departure from everything that the movie was before, but I decided that it worked for me.  But I understand how that could just as easily not work.

i just saw the movie for the second time and i agree with matt 35.  although some may think the mary/doctor storyline or the patrick/clem storyline are superfluous or unneccesary, i dont think so at all.  if the movie focused entirely on the joel/clem relationship it might seem to be saying that only THIS is some sort of true love.  but adding those storylines really enforces what the movie is about and thats you can erase someone out of your mind, but getting them out of your heart is another story.  just as, in marys story it re-inforces that you will fall into the same traps if you cant learn from your mistakes.  and in patricks, even though he tries to MAKE clementine like him by doing all the same things as joel, there is no formula to love/attraction.  saying the same things or giving her the thoughtful presents dont mean anything if there is no love there.

Quote from: themodernage02i agree with matt 35.

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I like when people agree with me.

It does what subplots exist for: to add another layer. The Joel/Clementine romance didn't fizzle because of the subplot. It fizzled because the couple was miscast.

Compare the assembly cut of Alien 3 to the theatrical version. Think: the Golic subplot where he worships the Alien as a god. It was cut from the movie, but it actually adds a greater weight to the film's theology, and generally speaking its sense of dread.

another thing i noticed this time around: there are a lot of thematic similarities between this and Vanilla Sky, which is interesting considering the intense hatred/love for the two.

Quote from: themodernage02if the movie focused entirely on the joel/clem relationship it might seem to be saying that only THIS is some sort of true love.  but adding those storylines really enforces what the movie is about and thats you can erase someone out of your mind, but getting them out of your heart is another story.

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Thing is, the Dunst subplot may not even have been about true love at all. All she says is that she was attracted to him and couldn't help herself and then she finds out they had a "history" together. Nothing more.

So, it serving as a relationship to parallel Joel and Clem's is unsubstantiated given the information in the film. It could maybe say that  attractions can't be withhold even if our memory is erased. It touches the Joel and Clem story only superficially because we are told Joel and Clem are fully in love.

Also, is the fact that so many other films indirectly claim a new idea to the meaning of "true love", that bold and wonderful idea fit for the movies because movies envision our hopes and desires and little of our reality. Audiences identify with these movies and identify with certain films, films usually about one couple. Its not the number of relationships in the film that make the idea true for people, but what the people take back personally from the film.

Vanilla Sky was okay.  I don't hate it.  But Eternal Sunshine, to me, is a far better movie.

Ultimately, with both movies, it's the love story that bears the weight of everything.  The love story in Vanilla Sky was sorta weak, and thus it kinda only had a "cool factor" and pop-culture references (which is sorta facile, now that I think about it) to carry the movie.

See, if you think that Joel and Clem were miscast or whatever problems you might have, then the love story doesn't work.  If the love story doesn't work, then the entire movie doesn't work.  So the question is: Did you buy the love story?  I did.  So with the roller coaster nature of the story, really being rooted in the love story and being emotionally invested is what made the movie work for me.  If I had not liked Joel and Clem so much, I wouldn't have cared enough to like the movie.

So for all the creativeness and inventiveness of the movie, it's ultimitely just a good ol' fashioned love story, and a damned good one at that.

GT, it's not there to reaffirm "true love." It's there to show the negative consequences of loving the bomb. Giving complete faith to a mechanism. In this place, the memory erasing procedure. It's straight-up Anthony Burgess. Kirsten ultimately feels betrayed. The Doctor was lying to her every day since her operation. It shows the negative side-effects of erasing part of yourself. We are the collection of our memories. She, and everybody else, are no longer all of themselves. And they DON"T EVEN KNOW IT! This realization is initially upsetting for Joel and Clementine, but then they decide to give it a go anyhow. Do they last? I don't know. Perhaps the ending was dreamlike for a reason.

Quote from: mutinycoGT, it's not there to reaffirm "true love." It's there to show the negative consequences of loving the bomb. Giving complete faith to a mechanism. In this place, the memory erasing procedure. It's straight-up Anthony Burgess. Kirsten ultimately feels betrayed. The Doctor was lying to her every day since her operation. It shows the negative side-effects of erasing part of yourself. We are the collection of our memories. She, and everybody else, are no longer all of themselves. And they DON"T EVEN KNOW IT! This realization is initially upsetting for Joel and Clementine, but then they decide to give it a go anyhow. Do they last? I don't know. Perhaps the ending was dreamlike for a reason.

I'm not even the one who began this "true love" idea, I'm merely arguing it. Your idea is interesting, but I still don't see how it can't be conveyed by the Joel and Clem situation. Both people seemed aware of outside doings when under the memory loss and both were cracking through the system to actually break it. Clem was even sabotaged by Elijah Wood, a person working on the system and trying to take over Carrey's role. Its a perfect set up for things to happen and for the system to be really revealed.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'm not even the one who began this "true love" idea, I'm merely arguing it.

for the record, neither am i.  i said adding the subplots helped to defeat the idea that it joel/clementine's story was unique, one of a kind, a 'true love' tale.  it was more about human nature than a fairy tale about these two.

Quote from: themodernage02another thing i noticed this time around: there are a lot of thematic similarities between this and Vanilla Sky, which is interesting considering the intense hatred/love for the two.

I noticed this too when I saw it. Some scenes actually reminded me of VS. Like when Joel took the pill to knock himself out for the procedure. Which I believe Tom cruise's character did too. Also, in Eternal Sunshine when they were in Joel's mind some of the people didn't have faces which was similar to VS.

Stanley Kauffmann finally reviewed and loved it. (Its worth noting he hated Being John Malkovich and Adaptation) I agree with him on the filmmaking excellence and should have opined more on it myself, but I wasn't as impressed with the story surrounding it as he was:

THE MANUFACTURED DREAM

The title of Michel Gondry's film is a clear signal. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind announces that this picture means to be both eccentric and important. A second signal is more subtle. The film's first shot is of a man sleeping, waking, getting up. Ordinary enough. Why, then, is the camera trembling? Why did the director use a handheld camera for this commonplace start? The film that follows is an explanation, and something more.  

A third signal in Eternal Sunshine, even odder, is that, after the first two hints of strangeness, the story does not begin strangely. The oldest Hollywood plot blueprint is boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl, and Eternal Sunshine is so obedient to the first part of that blueprint that it is baffling. Why have we had those two odd opening signals? The screenplay is by Charlie Kaufman, known for his bizarre ideas: Being John Malkovich and Adaptation, both praised by others, were certainly offbeat. Not here, in the beginning. But just as we start to wonder if Kaufman has succumbed to convention, his screenplay lurches off the well-worn road.

A thirtyish man named Joel lives on Long Island and commutes to a job in Manhattan. One day, moody because of woman troubles, he unexpectedly bolts from the station platform where he is waiting for his New York-bound train and scoots over to the other platform for a train headed to Montauk, on the eastern end of Long Island. On the lonely wintry Montauk beach he sees a young woman walking past him. They do not speak, but soon they encounter each other accidentally in a diner, on the station platform, and on the otherwise empty return train. We can almost hear the plot needles clicking, especially since the dialogue is 1930s-cute, spiced with mod candor. Her name, we learn, is Clementine. She and Joel hit it off very well, with the requisite flurries of hesitation. We follow them rapidly through a considerable period of intimacy, but the 1930s formula gets a jolt. By the time the film's opening titles appear, they are breaking up. No terrible quarrel, they are just breaking up.

Thus the boy-meets-girl Part One of the pattern is quickly hemstitched, and Part Two begins. So do Joel's troubles. He has not forgotten Clementine, but she has completely forgotten him--scientifically. Clementine has had all knowledge of Joel erased from her mind by a new electronic procedure: when he and she meet one day in the bookshop where she works, she treats him cordially enough, but unfamiliarly.

Kaufman's story now zooms into science fiction as we learn about Dr. Howard Mierzwiak, a brain specialist who has perfected a system of mental erasure. The doctor advises the unhappy Joel to erase his memories of Clementine: then all will be well, or at least even. With the doctor's new process, he will induce Joel's mind to revisit all his experiences of Clementine and annul them one by one. Desperate, curious, Joel agrees.

Part Two is, for the most part, the Clementine-erasure in Joel's brain, and it is here that the film becomes its true self. From this point until the finish, most of Eternal Sunshine exists inside Joel's head, in the nebulous, the evanescent, the scary blendings, the ludicrous reversals, the anxieties, the wish fulfillments of dreams. Joel revisits snatches of his life with Clementine in somewhat distorted form, as the doctor's process is rubbing her out of his mind. He is with her in the bookshop, and suddenly she vanishes from the shot; objects multiply and disappear; places crowd in and whip away; a house that they visit collapses around them; fantasies materialize--suddenly he and she find themselves in a large double bed right on that wintry Montauk beach.  

Very often films have attempted to portray dreams, and usually they fail because they are simply narratives or sets of symbols shown in soft focus and willowy images. Eternal Sunshine has the only dream sequence I know that convinces, if one can call the results of the doctor's process a dream. At any rate it is something like traversing a kaleidoscopic nightmare.

Here we come to Michel Gondry. He is a Frenchman who made his reputation with music videos and has directed a few feature films in the United States. He worked with Kaufman and Pierre Bismuth on the original story for the picture, and though Kaufman alone wrote the final screenplay, it is hard to believe that a writer forecast on a word processor every visual nuance and light storm in the dream sequence. The whole long passage is something like a cadenza in an early concerto--the composer prepared the way for the soloist, who then took over on his own. Gondry's virtuosity lifts the film far past science fiction into cinematic efflorescence. He shows us, more seductively than other directors have done, how freehand use of film can capture the flashes in our minds that slip between words.

At the last Joel tries to retain fragments of his Clementine memories, as the doctor and his assistants strive otherwise. In any event--after many mental events--Part Three begins back where the film began. Joel wakes up again in that opening shot, and now we know why the camera is handheld. He is trembly after having been through that dream, that cerebral hegira. But when did he dream? Before the film began? This makes us wonder whether the whole film, including the opening "reality," is oneiric. Gondry and Kaufman do not say: they do not resolve anything. They seem to imply that the quintessence of life is non-resolution between the insides of our heads and the world around us. The film ends with Joel and Clementine dreamily reunited, walking away from us down that wintry Montauk beach until they disappear and the screen is sheer white.

Gondry's filmic dazzle is greatly aided by Ellen Kuras's cinematography--something like the work that Sven Nykvist did for Bergman--and the superb editing by Valdís Óskarsdóttir. But Gondry, contrary to what we might expect from a cinematic virtuoso, is a knowing director of actors. Kate Winslet plays Clementine, and it is breathtaking to see the woman who was the young Murdoch in Iris and Marianne Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility giving body to this light-comedy figure. Claudette Colbert and Irene Dunne used to do it in the 1930s: Winslet, with American accent, equals them here.

Then there is Jim Carrey as Joel. Has his frame been overtaken by another spirit? The unbearable smart-ass of his first films has given way to an actor of some depth, some sorrow, some hunger for verity. Carrey sent signs of this change in The Truman Show and The Majestic. Here there is no gram of self-display: he wants only to burrow into the moment. It would be a sound performance by any actor; it is all the more laudable in a former nuisance.

Three other characters wind through the story--or around it. The doctor has three assistants, two men and a pert female blonde whose activities add variety to the proceedings. The blonde is in love with the doctor, but the tactical reason for her presence is to help anchor the film's title. It is a line from Alexander Pope's "Eloisa to Abelard": she quotes it to the doctor, and, by jiminy, he knows it too. Then they move toward sex. But the trouble with the line as title of the picture is that it has only a very tenuous relation to the story. Besides, those who happen to know the poem will also know that, far from a lover's murmur, it is spoken by a nun in praise of her chastity

haha he calls handheld camera "trembling."

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetCarrey sent signs of this change in The Truman Show and The Majestic.

Alright, seriously.. why is there never any mention of Man on the Moon with these two titles?

I agree: Man on the Moon had such a great performance from Carrey.  I really like The Truman Show and how Carrey was able to tone things down to generate some real power.  The Majestic was okay, as I remember it, not terrible, but not great.  I don't really hold that against Carrey, though; I thought he did well.

Man on the Moon, however, was his breakthrough performance, for me anyway.  His performance in Eternal Sunshine was great, but not a revelation, because I already saw that genius in Man on the Moon.  In Eternal Sunshine, he's just continuing to show himself as actually a very fine actor.  I wouldn't be surprised if, 10 years from now, I think of Jim Carrey as one of our best actors.

(It does have to do with his likeablity, though.  There are people who just don't like him.  But I like him so much, that when he does tone things down like in The Truman Show, it generates a lot of power and sympathy just because I like him so much.  A single shot of him standing still could make me go, "Wow."  That's just the magnetism of Jim Carrey for me.  His performance in Eternal Sunshine is him more "actively acting" than in The Truman Show, and it's pretty damned powerful.)

To sum up: Jim Carrey could flail his limbs and make me laugh, and then he can make a puppy dog-face and make me cry.  He kicks ass.

constant errors make sickfins sad

eternal sunshine of a spotless mind
eternal sunshine on the spotless mind
eternal sunshine for the spotless mind
eternal sunshine in the spotless mind
eternal sunshine in a spotless mind

So, what? Now suddenly GT likes the filmaking?

Quote from: Chest RockwellSo, what? Now suddenly GT likes the filmaking?

Even in my original review, I did. Its just my appreciation of the filmmaking was reduced to a sentence mentioning how the filmmaking successfully jolted us with the couple, experiencing their highs and lows. I should have been more complementary to at least that

In the immortal words of Butt-head: "Uh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh..."

Yea so i finally saw it again.  If you haven't seen it a second time I highly suggest it.  Even though there isn't much more to pick up on during the second viewing, it just puts you in a trance for two hours. What a fabulous movie this is, i'm still on my high from it.  Although it does make you feel a bit lonely...



Oh, and Jon Brion is a genius.

ahaha, oh my god this movie was good, this movie was sooooo goooodddd

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Finally man. I've been waiting for you to say something. I was hoping you'd like it.

Ugh... I'm so glad I finally got to see this movie, I was having trouble avoiding this thread (and not doing a very good job of it).

Most has been said,  It's boring to reply just to agree, so I'll add something I don't think has been said.

I've heard people complain that they "Figured out" the "twist" at the end too soon in the film.  Well, I'm sorry, but this was completely spelled right out for you and isn't really a "twist".

***SPOILER***
I'm talking about the fact that the beginning is the end

Anyway, that's one thing that I really liked about this film is that it didn't take too much time to play in it's cleverness.  It was just a great film and kept fresh throughout.  I'm all for Gondry taking Spike's place as the Kaufman filmmaker (We'll forgive Human Nature).

This film also further shows the Kaufman/Philip K. Dick similarities.  You can really see the PKD influence in his work.  Some mentioned Vanilla Sky... well VS (that piece of shit), was a remake of Abre los ojos which is a fancy rippoff of Ubik by PKD.  Fun stuff.

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Quote from: ewardahaha, oh my god this movie was good, this movie was sooooo goooodddd

Finally man. I've been waiting for you to say something. I was hoping you'd like it.

lol, yeah i was a little late to see this, but thank God I finally did, ive been all giddy and shit ever since

what the fuck is wrong with the theatres they only put like 4-5 showings a day of this movie against 20 of The Passion... how the hell do they expect it to make good at the BO

Saw it, loved it. They knew exactly what they wanted their message to be, and they found the perfect story to convey it. Great movie.

Did anyone else think of the Kauffman-penned line from Adaptation, "You are what you love, not what loves you," during/after the movie? I did.

I felt this movie was kind of sad in the sense that they should not be togehter. Clementine is an alcoholic and Joel is a jealous asshole. Of course Joel wants to be together with Clementine because by the time he realizes it they have already erased all the bad times they had together. The drinking, the jealousy and everything. So the only memories left are from when they first meet onwards till things got bad. So Joel can not see what is to come. All he sees is the good and how much fun they had together in the beginning of their first relationship. Not what comes next. If the second relationship between them could take place only in their minds it would work. Sadly to me it seems it is doomed to fail all over again in reality. I enjoyed this movie immensly. It was so sweet and tragic at the same time. Kate Winslet is a doll and Carrey gives his most subtle performace and it is his best in turn. Gondry is coming into his own as a feature director and the score was spot on. I don't even need to say anything about Kaufman. Definetely a once in a blue moon utterly fantastic film. A plusses all around.

Quote from: StefenSadly to me it seems it is doomed to fail all over again in reality.

I agree, I think they're headed for disaster but it's still a happy ending.  It doesn't come from the implication that they could live happily ever after, but from the fact that they got a second chance.  What they do with that second chance is irrelevant in the confines of the story.  They have the power to keep from making the same mistakes and we should be happy that they do because none of us ever get that.

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Quote from: StefenSadly to me it seems it is doomed to fail all over again in reality.

I agree, I think they're headed for disaster but it's still a happy ending.  It doesn't come from the implication that they could live happily ever after, but from the fact that they got a second chance.  What they do with that second chance is irrelevant in the confines of the story.  They have the power to keep from making the same mistakes and we should be happy that they do because none of us ever get that.

kind of back  to the old, "it's better to be loved once and failed than to never be loved"
or something to that liking.

FINALLY saw this tonight. awesome. i don't think i can say anything that hasn't already been said.

from the imdb.com trivia section for Eternal Sunshine:

The original script featured a cut beginning and ending sequence that took place in the future. In the end, an older Clementine comes in to have the procedure done and a look at her screen shows that she's had the procedure done multiple times and all of them involved Joel. At the very end of the script, an older Joel calls Clementine to ask why she hasn't called, but the technicians performing the procedure erase his message. Other cuts in the original script include a montage of memories people wanted erased, including a soldier seeing his dead friend on a battlefield and a girl who was raped at a young age.

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http://www.beingcharliekaufman.com/spotless.txt
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Make Some Headway into the Mysteries of Spotless Mind with 15 Things You Gotta Know

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is just another Jim Carrey movie, right? Hardly. It's a head-tripping amalgam of writer Charlie Kaufman's mixed-up characters running amok in one man's brain...as envisioned by a French filmmaker with an affinity for Legos.

But all you need to know right now is the basic plot: When his impulsive ex-girlfriend, Clementine (Kate Winslet), uses a cutting-edge neurological procedure to erase him from her memory, Joel (Carrey) decides to do the same thing--but has second thoughts midway through the process. We'll handle the rest with our handy primer. So, relax, open up your mind, and let the Sunshine in.

1. My Dinner with Gondry: The film's concept was proposed to French director Michel Gondry over dinner several years ago. An artist pal suggested the scenario: What if you received a card in the mail stating you had been erased from someone's memory and should no longer contact them? Gondry asked Kaufman to write a script, and three years later: Voilà!

2. Getting Ahead of Himself: Kaufman claims he was sidetracked with many projects--such as penning Adaptation, producing Gondry's feature Human Nature and even finishing Being John Malkovich--before he could focus on his own Spotless Mind. Then they had to make the darn thing!

3. Blessed by the Pope: Alexander Pope, that is, not that guy with the big pointy hat. The film's title is lifted from a line in Pope's 18th-century piece "Eloisa to Abelard." Scribe Kaufman admits to stumbling upon the line in Bartlett's Familiar Quotations before eventually reading the entire 350-plus-line poem. (That whole thing would never have fit on a poster.)

4. The Science of Fiction: The film's memory-plucking laboratory, Lacuna Inc., has a pretty convincing Website, complete with testimonials and evaluation forms. But rest assured, doctors cannot erase your past. Not legally, anyway.

5. Genre Bender: Wait, so is this a love story or a science-fiction thingy? It's both. Duh.

6. Method Man: Known for immersing himself in offbeat roles (remember the Man on the Moon nuttiness?), Carrey relied on childhood memories to help his character probe the past. The green Mustang bicycle used in the film is the same one Carrey had as a tyke. As for singing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" in the film's rain sequence, Carrey confesses, "I used to sing that on my aunt's porch when it rained." Awww.

7. Wiggin' Out: Despite sporting a myriad of hair colors, Winslet's mop never saw a drop of dye during filming. Those are all wigs. However, she was able to add them to her own personal collection after production completed. Oh, and in case you're wondering, she says, "Red's my favorite." We asked.

8. Something Borrowed, Something Blue: Those indigo locks may not be Winslet's real hair, but her character's apartment is filled with personal items belonging to the actress. That little aluminum-foil chalice on the shelf? Kate made that.

9. Sketch Comedy: Speaking of personal touches, artist Paul Proch created the sketch diary Joel keeps throughout the film--but look closely, and you'll notice some of the artwork and entries were done by Carrey.

10. Synthesize Matters: Gondry, the veteran music-video director behind the White Stripes' Lego-driven video "Fell in Love with a Girl," immediately hit it off with Sunshine's multitalented composer, Jon Brion (Punch-Drunk Love). To create the film's fragile score, Brion used his vast, eclectic collection of musical keyboards, including one called a Clavioline, which was--wait for it--invented by Gondry's grandfather, Constant Martin.

11. There's No Business Like Snow Business: The film's final sequence, shot in upstate New York, called for lots of snow. When the crew arrived, there wasn't a flake to be found. Kaufman cut all mentions of the white stuff, but when cameras finally rolled, it fell nonstop. How's that for special effects?

12. Other Direct Effects: A longtime fan of camera trickery, Gondry relied on old-school techniques such as forced perspective and giant props to make Carrey seem as small as a four-year-old during one scene. To make the actor appear in two different places at once for another scene, Gondry asked him to run behind the camera as it panned to the other side of the set. When a frustrated Carrey protested, "I can't do this. It's impossible!" Gondry simply asked the big-money comedian, "How do you know if you don't try?"

13. Quelle Surprise! Much to the cast's dismay, the director avoided such traditional cinematic customs as, well, calling "action" or "cut." He preferred to capture the spontaneity of the actors, often keeping the cameras rolling without telling them. While shooting a Spotless scene in which the main characters are watching elephants on parade, Gondry went so far as to whisk Winslet away without Carrey's knowledge to get a natural reaction to her disappearance. Those sneaky Frenchmen!

14. Frodo's Mojo: After achieving worldwide fame with the Lord of the Rings cycle, Elijah Wood agreed to a Hobbit-sized role in Sunshine because of his desire to work with Kaufman and Gondry. "I'm a huge fan of both," says Wood, whose wish list of collaborators also includes Wes Anderson (Rushmore), Darren Aronofsky (Requiem for a Dream) and Spike Jonze (Being John Malkovich).

15. The Almighty Dollar: Likewise, Carrey was so eager to work with Kaufman and Gondry that he took a smaller than usual salary (heck, the movie's whole budget was just $35 million). Gondry slyly admits, "You get more out of actors when they get less money." Shhh, don't tell Hollywood. This Gondry guy might be on to something...

ooooooh my gaaaaaaaaaaaawd, i'm gonna do an ebeaman freak-out here.

i haven't seen a movie in two months (no lie) and i've been really stressed out in life with a bunch of shit, and this movie was god damn theraputic.

brilliant brilliant brillant metaphor of modern relationships, the movie works b/c it has a heart!!!

i've avoided this thread b/c of spoilers and to tell you the truth i really don't have the time to read through it all so i'll say this; to everyone who loved it, i agree w/ everything you said. to those who didn't, you're really just plain, well, dumb.

dude, the whole time i was sitting there thinking "i wish i wrote this." in fact, i've thought that about his two previous films as well, and i'm sure even filmmakers think that too.

i feel so much better now.

I just saw this tonight.

I must say, I wasn't impressed.

It was good, but I didn't feel like I was in good hands, as Tarantino would put it.

More later.

read this month's American Cinematographer for juicy tidbits on the power struggle between DP Kuras and Gondry--mostly with the lights and whatnot.

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Even if you don't recognize Michel Gondry's name, chances are you're familiar with his fantasies. As a music-video director, he's produced some of the past decade's most visually arresting slivers of MTV ubiquity: Bjork freaking out in a tank ("Army of Me"); Bjork freaking out in a rustic interspecies fantasia ("Human Behavior"); attack of the cloned Kylies ("Come Into My World") and a certified classic: the animated-Lego rendering of the White Stripes' "Fell in Love With a Girl."

Gondry's videos take you inside alternate universes and impending central nervous system breakdowns. His second film, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, is a near-perfect expansion of his M.O., extrapolating plenty of universal truth about the ways that love can suck. It's the story of Joel Barish (Jim Carrey), a schlub who discovers his ex-girlfriend, Clementine (Kate Winslet), has undergone a memory-erasing procedure to fully rid herself of their relationship. Devastated, Joel tries to do the same, then changes his mind halfway through the process. As he hovers in kind of coma, reliving his memories of Clementine before they're zapped into oblivion, he discovers there's no going back. Or is there?

Gondry's direction matches Charlie Kaufman's script, stylistic quirk for stylistic quirk; the film lurches and rewinds seemingly at random. But beneath the technical smugness is a warm, beating heart — albeit one that's been forcibly removed from an accident victim with rusty tongs.

The film is a personal one for Gondry (who based his video for Radiohead's "Knives Out" on his girlfriend's struggle with leukemia and their breakup after her recovery). Despite a slight language barrier (he's, uh, French), we discussed this, Sunshine's lack of sex, his next film and his fear of porn. — Michael Martin

At its core, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a love story. Are you a romantic? Because many of your videos range from antiseptic to nightmarish, I wouldn't guess that you were.
Yeah, I guess I am romantic. I have a lot of . . . emotion. But I don't like the way romanticism is presented in films or music videos, so I don't use them too much in my videos. But they definitely have more feeling than the average, I would say.

Is Sunshine a response to romantic-movie treacle?
I didn't think of other movies, really. I thought of my own experience more: being left by my girlfriend, all the problems to make a relationship work. All the things that everyone who wants to be with someone encounters.

What relationship would you erase from your memory if you could?
I don't think I would erase any, to be honest. The erasing happened to me. It's an image from the day you find out that your girlfriend decided in an arbitrary way that she doesn't love you anymore. It's very devastating news. There is a sense of denial of all the good times, of all the times she told you you were unique, and now you're not unique anymore. To me, the erasing in the movie represents that. I don't project myself into the position of erasing someone.

The "Knives Out" video addressed your relationship also. Do you feel that, after doing this movie, that you've worked through that?
No. I certainly don't think I've worked through that in terms of solving that problem in my life. It's just become worse. But at least I think I did a movie that talked about the subject, and it shows that I care.

You once said in an interview about Bjork, "I'm always jealous when Bjork works with someone else. I see our relationship like those '70s marriages. The husband and wife would have sex with other partners to preserve their marriage."Was your relationship with Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet a threesome or voyeurism?
It was more of a threesome. I was very connected to them. I don't give necessarily precise direction, but I make sure that I create a mood that would make them be themselves and connect to each other. And I had to give each of them different direction; Jim didn't react to direction in same way as Kate. To get the same tone between them, I would convey to Kate that she had to be bigger and more broad, and tell Jim he had to be darker and more dramatic. It was like a parent-child relationship. Sometimes you have to tell different things to different children.

A simplistic question: where the hell do your ideas come from?
I have quite accurate memories of dreams. Also, I developed an ability to let my brain be permeable: if I see an image, it might remind me of something else. Or I'll get it confused with something else, because I don't see it properly, and it becomes something new. So I decide I can use it. Like one afternoon, I was at this occupation center for bright children. They played a game where you put a painting on a turntable and spin it around, and it produces lots of great shapes. The problem, I thought, is that you don't see the creating, because it's moving too fast. I thought, wouldn't it be funny if the camera shot at the same rate. Then you wouldn't see the spinning, but you would see the shape being created. It's how my brain works. Finding a solution to a problem is a very important process for me.

Are hallucinogenic drugs involved?
Not at all. I'm scared of them.

Does being called a genius make it easier or more difficult to get out of bed in the morning?
[laughter] I don't believe it. Some people use this word, but it would only apply after I'm dead.

Your vision is often described as childlike. Do you find that reductive?
No, I think it's good. I work a lot with the sensations I had when I was a kid. Our brains and sensors are more receptive when we're young. There's way more fresh space. As we grow older, we see the world through a window that grows smaller and more steamy. I always try to remember a time when I was very receptive to the world around me.

You once said, "My family was like the families you could see in progressive sex education books at the end of the '60s. On the first page, you'd see the whole family out in the woods in flared blue jeans and then you'd turn the page and they would all be standing naked, to let you know how good they were feeling together." Explain.
I was very lucky growing up. My family was very creative. My father liked jazz music and we would play Duke Ellington and rhythm and blues, and my mother played piano and was a music teacher. We didn't have much money, we were very average, but now my brothers and I are all doing very well, and I think it's because we were drawn to pop culture so early.

Why is there no sex in your films?
I don't believe in eroticism in movies. It's so voyeuristic; I don't think it's necessary. I don't feel good about it. I respect pornography, but it's always been sad to watch; it gives me nightmares.

Wouldn't it have been natural for the couple in Sunshine to be shown having sex? You see so much else of their relationship.
Well, I did some. We shot some sex scenes, but they didn't make it through editing. I think sex is better in people's minds than on the screen.

You have no interest in tackling a sex scene?
There's a triangle created between the viewer and the couple having sex that is very disturbing to me. If I were to do a love scene, I would try to have the point of view of the two actors, not someone who is somebody hiding and watching. I don't know; in my work, I try to be honest, and in doing a scene that shows sex, it's hard to be honest. I would be more interested in doing an entire pornographic film. Well, maybe a short film that shows sex in a real way.

How would you do that?
Well, the actors should have sex for real. Although that would be difficult. It's hard to keep it up for a guy when you're in front of the camera, I guess. When you're behind the camera, it's hard to keep it down.

Eternal Sunshine feels like a Michel Gondry film. Your first movie, Human Nature, felt disappointingly ordinary. Why was that?
Well, maybe I learned. I don't know. I really like Human Nature, and maybe if I do more movies, people will look at what their expectations were and then what they were seeing. It's a question of timing as well. You know a band who does a first album that doesn't sell very well, and then they do a great second album that sells a lot, then the first album is reconsidered and rediscovered.

What draws you to Charlie Kaufman's writing? Are your brains twisted in the same way?
We have stuff in common: a sort of pessimism with love and relationships. We try to have some humor about ourselves and modern life. We laugh about ourselves.

Do you watch television?
Mostly the science channel.

Do you like American film?
Yeah, I like some broad comedy like Back to the Future. I love Groundhog Day. I don't like movies that look slick and are about being humans stronger than life. The best movie I saw lately was American Splendor.

Your next film, The Science of Sleep, is about man held hostage in a dream.
Yes, the main character develops a technique to control his dreams. He's in love with a girl, and he tries to use the dream to be with her in a way. But even in the dream, it doesn't work. He gets so involved in his dream that he gets stuck between the dream and real life. And the people in the dream don't want him to wake up, because they're afraid he won't come back to the dream and they won't exist anymore.

Again, this sounds very personal.
It's very personal, and I wrote the screenplay.

I think about your work — Human Nature, all the way back to Bjork's "Human Behavior" video — and there's this recurring theme of people being trapped or chased, or running from something.
I don't know, probably it's coming from my dreams and nightmares. It's a very classical nightmare, you know. Running to avoid danger and being stuck in places. It's a feeling I have in general. I don't want to be stuck anywhere.

^That was cool. Thanks.

Quote from: MacGuffinWhy is there no sex in your films?
I don't believe in eroticism in movies. It's so voyeuristic; I don't think it's necessary. I don't feel good about it. I respect pornography, but it's always been sad to watch; it gives me nightmares.

Wouldn't it have been natural for the couple in Sunshine to be shown having sex? You see so much else of their relationship.
Well, I did some. We shot some sex scenes, but they didn't make it through editing. I think sex is better in people's minds than on the screen.

You have no interest in tackling a sex scene?
There's a triangle created between the viewer and the couple having sex that is very disturbing to me. If I were to do a love scene, I would try to have the point of view of the two actors, not someone who is somebody hiding and watching. I don't know; in my work, I try to be honest, and in doing a scene that shows sex, it's hard to be honest. I would be more interested in doing an entire pornographic film. Well, maybe a short film that shows sex in a real way.

How would you do that?
Well, the actors should have sex for real. Although that would be difficult. It's hard to keep it up for a guy when you're in front of the camera, I guess. When you're behind the camera, it's hard to keep it down.

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Do you like American film?
Yeah, I like some broad comedy like Back to the Future. I love Groundhog Day. I don't like movies that look slick and are about being humans stronger than life. The best movie I saw lately was American Splendor.

Thanks for posting this, Mac.  No surprise about him liking Groundhog Day.  Eternal Sunshine has a lot of those qualities.  Shame this guy is just now getting notoriety.  Seems as if he has a lot to say.  I really like his take on sexuality in film.

Quote from: peteread this month's American Cinematographer for juicy tidbits on the power struggle between DP Kuras and Gondry--mostly with the lights and whatnot.

i read it. i thought some of those shots looked dark.


BRAGGING TIME: i worked with ellen kuras over the summer. you guys didn't. HA!

Quote from: andykwhat the fuck is wrong with the theatres they only put like 4-5 showings a day of this movie against 20 of The Passion... how the hell do they expect it to make good at the BO

r u really that naive?

Some people just don't understand the mechanics of business.

Quote from: MacGuffinYes, the main character develops a technique to control his dreams. He's in love with a girl, and he tries to use the dream to be with her in a way. But even in the dream, it doesn't work. He gets so involved in his dream that he gets stuck between the dream and real life. And the people in the dream don't want him to wake up, because they're afraid he won't come back to the dream and they won't exist anymore.

I'm kinda upset at this, 'cause I had written two short stories with a very similar idea with the intentions of turning one of them into a screenplay. So now I can't really do it since it'll seem like I'm just using Gondry's idea.

On the other hand, his idea sounds better than mine. :|

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I'm kinda upset at this, 'cause I had written two short stories with a very similar idea with the intentions of turning one of them into a screenplay. So now I can't really do it since it'll seem like I'm just using Gondry's idea.

tough break. yeah, that happened with me when Gus Van Sant did Elephant,  I always wanted to do a school shooting movie.

I've always wanted to do an ensemble high-school movie. Elephant isn't really it, and I haven't seen Kids, but that one sounded kinda like what I wanted to do.

I've always wanted to do a movie about

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What was with the TRAILOR thing, slomb?

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trailer.

This movie shined, especially after seeing Secret Window and Hellboy.

Bonanzataz, were you constantly going to the bathroom while you were working with her, or have calmed down more recently?

Have any of you guy's noticed Kauffman's obsession with panties. In Malkovich the guy had Malkovich sniff someone's dirty underwear. In Eternal he has a guy steal some undies, and then there were the couple of shots of Clementine's panties. This fucker is definately a panty-sniffer i think.

Quote from: El ScorchozHave any of you guy's noticed Kauffman's obsession with panties

and weird hair, Kate Winslet and Cameron Diaz namely.

there are a lot of monkeys.....well, at least in BJM and Human Nature

Quote from: Pubricktrailer.

The thing I'm referring to is spelled 'trailor'

Smashing good. This fine picture-show was pleasently enjoyed by my fellow colleagues and I  after a fine meal and bustling debate over the price of railroad stocks.

Quote from: bigideasthere are a lot of monkeys.....well, at least in BJM and Human Nature

didnt the original ending of adaptation involve a simian of some sort?  or am i psychotic?

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Quote from: bigideasthere are a lot of monkeys.....well, at least in BJM and Human Nature

didnt the original ending of adaptation involve a simian of some sort?  or am i psychotic?

I'm afraid I know not of what you speak.

Quote from: ewarddidnt the original ending of adaptation involve a simian of some sort?  or am i psychotic?

A swamp-monster, yes.

8.7/10 out of 7,050 votes or some-such, placing #49 on IMDb's top 250 list. Wowsers.

So basically, Internet geeks still love it.  I'm surprised Lost in Translation hasn't taken a dip yet, which shows it's a rather universal film.  (Though you wouldn't believe the girls in my screenwriting who hated it because, well, for one reason, "nothing happened.")  Oddly enough, all the guys loved it.  I digress, though.  Point being, there was a time when even Punch-Drunk Love was in the Top 250.  Miss those days.  But once the mainstream got wind of it and heard Sandler was in it, once it was released on DVD, down it dropped.

Adaptation., though, interestingly enough, always hovered at the bottom of the Top 250 when it first came out.  Signs that most of the people saw it, appreciated it, but realized it was somewhat broken.  Odd thing is, with this Kaufman, once more mainstream viewers heard about it, its popularity soared, hence its high rating now.  Ditto with Malkovich.  It'll be interesting to see how the public really reacts to this Kaufman, come DVD release and Oscar season.

funnier than i was told.
cleverer than i imagined.
perfect as i hoped.

ps. can sumone tell me which pages of this thread i should read that hav relevant content discussing the movie?

Page 12 has an interview you said you didn't want to read until you saw the movie because it's full of spoilers.  Godardian commented on page 12, as did neon and modage.  Walrus and Cinebunny on 13.  And I'm just mentioning people who actually wrote more than (WOW, OMG BEST MOVIE EVER!!!).  picolas and ebes on page 14.  Gloria on page 15.  I commented on page 16 and 17.  samsong on 17.  Mac on page 18.  Weirdo1769 and pete on page 20.  SHAFTR on page 21.  And last but not least, GT rips it a new asshole on page 21.  There's some more back and forth on 24 and 25, re: dropped subplots and the finer points of the film.  GT posted a Kaufman review on page 26.  RegularKarate on page 26.  ©brad freaks out like ebeaman on page 27.  Sorry for anyone I missed.  Sometimes posts that are longer than one sentence actually don't suck, y'know?  And yes, I'm bored.  Garfield was right.  Mondays suck.

holy crap, thanks for that summary Paella. i read it all now and u forgot the great interview on p27!

it seems those who didn't like it are bitter/stupid. GT, i'm afraid that movies are seriously not what u think they are.. it's almost as if ur stuck, or ageing rapidly.

sumthing i forgot to mention before..
-thank you to everyone for spoiling every image in the movie though their avatars.. much appreciated.
-and was i the only person who saw a picture of winslet on an elephant statue like a year ago? was that a part of this?? anyway, the elephants were veryverygood.
-finally, this look..
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worth price of admission.
-oh and the back of eligga's head was also a highlight.

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-thank you to everyone for spoiling every image in the movie though their avatars.. much appreciated.

hah, no problem.  i like to think of it as the whole TRAILOR distilled into one image.

Quote from: Pubrick-and was i the only person who saw a picture of winslet on an elephant statue like a year ago? was that a part of this??

they must've cut stuff.

do some quality thigh-caressing (http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/eternalsunshineofthespotlessmindqt1.html) and you'll find little pieces here and there (http://www.eternalsunshine.com/video/music_video-480x270.mov)..

there's also more  fluff (http://homepage.mac.com/filmlovermarla/iMovieTheater24.html) now. at the top.

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-oh and the back of eligga's head was also a highlight.

.....hahaha.....who's that?

ELIGGGAA is the best!!!

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boy am i glad i avoided that puddle of devil-jizz.

Quote from: picolashere and there (http://www.eternalsunshine.com/video/music_video-480x270.mov)..

that was freaky fun. thanks.

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Quote from: Pubrick-oh and the back of eligga's head was also a highlight.

.....hahaha.....who's that?

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"i just ate sum crap"

look at those big eligga lips.

Rumor has it that Michel Gondry will be taping an interview with Charlie Rose later this week...

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Quote from: Pubrick-oh and the back of eligga's head was also a highlight.

.....hahaha.....who's that?

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"i just ate sum crap"

perfect......... :wink:

I am viewer number 10,000 for the "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" thread!! Woooohoooo!

*does Leonardo Decraprio impression*

no ur not.

nothing more to say about this film that hasnt been said already...
i absolutely loved it.

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I imagine this is what he's referring to: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338013/

Some of you may be familiar with the reviewer 'tedg' on imdb. He always has something interesting to say. Below are his comments on Eternal Sunshine.

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tedg (tedg@alum.mit.edu)
Virginia Beach


Date: 10 April 2004
Summary: The Size of the Brick

Spoilers herein.

What an exciting time to be alive! We can actually go to our corner theater and participate in the invention of a new medium. Fundamental elements of the vocabulary are still being explored and invented.

I knew that I was witnessing something important halfway through. Superficially this is another Kaufman exercise in self-reference. Those are always interesting, he knows how to fold the story with methods of telling the story plus a third story about those methods. There's some of that here, but it is shoehorned into the `big idea' that wasn't his in the first place. So although you have one of the most powerful folding actors ever (Winslet), the real advance here is in another area.

Hundreds of films have tried to portray dreams and visions, folding them into `reality.' Some are blunt (`What Dreams may Come'), others frantic (`Pi') and puzzling

(`Mulholland Dr'). No one has yet managed the arbitrary slipperiness of visions as successfully as Tarkovsky in `Nostalgia.'

Part of Tarkovsky's genius is in making ordinary objects exotic by bending the context. But he does his work in large chunks.

Any filmmaker, the real ones, make an early decision about the materials of their creation, just as an architect does. In architecture, you can choose to make the structure out of bricks. These things actually hold the building up. Then you have to design the brick. What's the right size?

Tarkovsky used large bricks, so we could read them from a distance. Rodriguez , for instance, in his second act of `Once Upon a Time in Mexico,' used what looks like small bricks, but they are just for show: they carry no narrative.

What we have here are small bricks, small minivignettes that come at blinding speed from all tenses and actually hold up the narrative. You need an intelligent actor to help carry this off and in this case we have the redoubtable Kate who is one of our most intelligent masters of this sort of architectural material. After all, her very first film (`heavenly Creatures') was about this same matter: how small a fantasy or memory could be and still create reality.

Ted's Evaluation -- 3 of 3: Worth watching.

Really sparse comments from him.  For once I wish he would've gone into even more detail as I knew he could.  The analogy he creates is great, but it needs to be fleshed out more.

A Bit Of Ruffalo
Mark Speaks His Spotless Mind
http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/features/interviews/interviews.asp?IID=97

Cant wait for its release here at the end of the week.

#46

Stop that.

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One other interesting bit of news today - Universal will release Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind on 9/28. No word yet on extras.

I got an eternal sushine hat  :-D

just so no one thinks that was the new post

Quote from: SiliasRuby, on the previous page,Source: Digital Bits
One other interesting bit of news today - Universal will release Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind on 9/28. No word yet on extras.

http://www.davisdvd.com/images/covers/gallery_o.html

Take a look at the cover.

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Take a look at the cover.

haha, maybe shitty covers can become a running gag for gondry.

wow, that is bad.

There's a big sun in the background.  Sunshine, get it?

They should use the original posters and put out multiple covers.

I want the ice damn it!  :(

Yech.  Makes the movie look like a romantic comedy.

doesn't change the movie tho...its just a cover

Yup.  I'm still buyin' it.

you can even tell from that poorly compressed jpeg that carrey's face has been airbrushed to shit...plastic, featureless shit.

incidentally this goes against everything gondry wanted carrey to look like specifically for this movie: no makeup

Remember when Roger Avary got pissed off about the lame Rules Of Attraction DVD cover and had a contest to design a new one, resulting in many superior downloadable and insertable covers?

More directors should do that.

I'll hold out some hope that that isn't the final DVD cover art.

Quote from: coffeebeetleYech.  Makes the movie look like a romantic comedy.

their  mission has been accomplished.  MOMS EVERYWHERE, have we got a movie for you!  <--- calling out from the shelf at blockbuster.  

directors really need to have more control over this stuff.  i mean, seriously.  dont they care at all about the presentation of their film?

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Quote from: coffeebeetleYech.  Makes the movie look like a romantic comedy.

their  mission has been accomplished.  MOMS EVERYWHERE, have we got a movie for you!  <--- calling out from the shelf at blockbuster.  

directors really need to have more control over this stuff.  i mean, seriously.  dont they care at all about the presentation of their film?

No, not if it will sell it/garner it a few more rentals.

I've learned my lesson!  I know how the world works.  Money doth make the world go 'round.  Do I get my cynical filmmaker-wannabe wings yet?  :-D

well if that doesnt fit the definition of 'selling out' i dont know what does.  compromising your presentation to appeal to a larger audience.  it wouldnt be bad if they could find a way to appeal to the masses with something that actually looked good, but they cant seem to do that.

Dude, I think selling out is a little different.  They didn't change the movie.

Quote from: themodernage02well if that doesnt fit the definition of 'selling out' i dont know what does.  compromising your presentation to appeal to a larger audience.  it wouldnt be bad if they could find a way to appeal to the masses with something that actually looked good, but they cant seem to do that.

jesus, selling out?

gondry just doesn't hav the clout to change that i guess. it's not in his contract or whatever, he had the same problem with Human Nature and he has often said how much he hates that cover, hence my running gag comment.

sheesh, get mad at the marketing assholes u worship in ur avatars so much. not the director.

Well I'll buy it despite it's ugly cover. After all it's "a smart, sexy and seriously funny comedy"  :roll:

i saw it again last night, at the dollar theatre......this movie is too good.

Quote from: Pubrickgondry just doesn't hav the clout to change that i guess. it's not in his contract or whatever, he had the same problem with Human Nature and he has often said how much he hates that cover, hence my running gag comment.

well he should try harder.  if not to have total control over all posters, video covers, promotional materials etc. like PTA, than atleast to have the right to veto this piece of shit.  making a movie doesnt end when you finish editing it, or it shouldnt.  the director should try to stay involved all the way through to the dvd release.  (maybe that would also help things like getting 4 different versions of the same movie.)

those are all good points but they would be better argued against QT and the horrible new cover of kb2. QT at least we know has the influence to change whatever he wants about his releases, gondry is a new director with no hit prior to this one, itself a modest one at that.

so yeah, i totally feel the argument, nice to see u ignored that the real blame lies with the marketing assholes u celebrate so much, and not the director who i assume has done everything in his power to make the best movie possible. pta's deal was a rare one, i wouldn't base anything on it, and i doubt he will hav as much freedom with his next few films as he has had in the last few.

I saw this again, and happily, loved it. My criticisms of the romantic sub plot involving dunst is still there, but when I saw it a second time, I was emotionally in a much better situation to really allign myself with the characters whole. I believed in the relationship. The filmmaking, quality to me on my first viewing, expanded even more. Excellent film and I'd love to see it again.

Quote from: Pubrickthose are all good points but they would be better argued against QT and the horrible new cover of kb2. QT at least we know has the influence to change whatever he wants about his releases, gondry is a new director with no hit prior to this one, itself a modest one at that.

agreed. he really has no excuse.

Quote from: Pubrickso yeah, i totally feel the argument, nice to see u ignored that the real blame lies with the marketing assholes u celebrate so much, and not the director who i assume has done all he can in his power to make the best movie possible. pta's deal was a rare one, i wouldn't base anything on it, and i doubt he will hav as much freedom with his next few films as he has had in the last few.

the marketing assholes i just figured were a given evil.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI saw this again, and happily, loved it. My criticisms of the romantic sub plot involving dunst is still there, but when I saw it a second time, I was emotionally in a much better situation to really allign myself with the characters whole. I believed in the relationship. The filmmaking, quality to me on my first viewing, expanded even more. Excellent film and I'd love to see it again.

:) Dunno why. Just really glad, GT!

I RRrreally can't wait to see this again. I think it really is a modern classic (whatever that means). Mark Ruffalo is the man!

Are packaging and extra material considered differently in terms of the influence the director has on them? Because I would have thought that Gondry would have been allowed to do some some good quality extras given his 'work of' DVD status. To be honest I think the cover is equally due to the 'Carrey Marketability' factor. I think that's a good thing anyway. People should be tricked into seeing it! As always though, that godamn quote is inappropriate, inexcusable, and that I don't forgive!

many times a director is bound by contract -- many instances result in "you can make your movie, but we control how its marketed". now you have to guage whats important to you. would you rather have control over the production or marketing? id rather have a great film with shitty cover art, then a shitty film with a cover that i was able to draw to my specifications. now if the only thing that goes uncontrolled is the dvd cover, i think that said director has more control than most. its much better than having casting, and production personel dictated and screend by the studio. from the look of the original one sheets and trailer, id say gondry had a pretty large say in how it was marketed for theatrical exhibition. unfortunaely its a day when a director can not logistically control every outlet. not that i agree with the process, but it is how it is. and truthfully, if you create a war of the worlds with a studio over a dvd cover, you will most likely have a much harder time getting what you want when negotiations rear their head again. they key is to give them what they think they want, while really fullfilling your idea of what should be.

cowboykurtis pretty much nailed it right there

and what exactly is wrong about getting more people to rent the movie?

dont we want more people to experience truly good movies, in the hope that perhaps their collective tastes broaden, for the better?

on a complete side-note, unrelated to this thread -- ive gotta give pubrick props for his avatar -- the best around

Quote from: ProgWRXand what exactly is wrong about getting more people to rent the movie?

dont we want more people to experience truly good movies, in the hope that perhaps their collective tastes broaden, for the better?

thats wishful thinking.  tricking people into renting this movie because they're expecting something more mainstream is only going to make them more angry when they get this weird non-linear un-jimcarrey film that they will proceed to say things like 'god, did you see that awful jim carrey film?' whenever it is mentioned.  plus, like i said, i dont have a problem with changing the poster art into something that might attract more people.  what i do have a problem with is them putting together some ugly piece of shit in 5 minutes without regard to how it actually looks.

jim carrey looks purrty on the cover

He looks really, really clean.

yes yes. really clean and purty -- everythin' one wants inna movie

kurtis and dude should battle for control of this thread.

as far as im concerned, the battle has already been won -- I OWN this thread.

...and on a side note, picolas, what image is that avatar from -- looks like someone running into on-coming taffic, cloaked in a burlap sack...

Quote from: cowboykurtis...and on a side note, picolas, what image is that avatar from -- looks like someone running into on-coming taffic, cloaked in a burlap sack...

a moment from the trailer for "neither a borrower nor a lender be"
featuring "granma"

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running neear traffic.

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All this time I always thought it was taken from the ending of "E.T."

please tell me that Eternal Sunshine DVD cover is a hoax......
that's horrible.
it reminded me of when Jim Carrey became popular and they rereleased some of his old movies and put his face real big on it..........wasn't there one called Rubber Face or something like that?
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ok, maybe not quite what i remembered, but it does look like the cover from a DVD in $5 bin.

Quote from: Chest Rockwell8.7/10 out of 7,050 votes or some-such, placing #49 on IMDb's top 250 list. Wowsers.

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dont know how much truth there is to it, but has anyone come across this site? http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/imdbfix.shtml

probably already been posted somewhere, but for those who haven't seen it...

I'm so happy that we finally can know how good all those movies truly are in comparison to one another!

Thanks

what made you assume the list isnt for the purpose of curiosity? I think its pretty obvious the people of Xixax (the same commity that voted PDL as the movie of the year) arent influenced by the general public.

DVD pushed back a week to 5th October 2004.

bigger, "easier-to-see" cover art

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Now he looks big and really, really clean.

where's mark?  :(

Quote from: picolasbigger, "easier-to-see" cover art

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easier to hate.

Quote from: El Duderinowhere's mark?  :(

Airbrushed...to oblivion.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind starring Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet has been moved forward a week to the 28th September.

From your friends at IGN:

"The film is due September 28 for a suggested price of $29.98. It will sport a 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen transfer with both English Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 audio.

Extras include an audio commentary with Michel Gondry and writer Charlie Kaufman, A Look Inside Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind featurette, A Conversation with Jim Carrey and director Michel Gondry featurette (this should be good), deleted scenes and a music video from Polyphonic Spree."

I'm pretty excited about that!

Curious thing though, IGN says that no artwork's been released yet. So, either they're really behind on the times or what we've been seeing is unofficial? Which is more likely, do you think?

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/523/523291p1.html

Well at least the dvd and it's cover art isn't as bad as it could've been...

I hate american cover art. They always have to show the actors and fill it with crap like review tag lines. Covers with just some artwork (no faces) and a title is the way to go. Same with posters. Anyone notice how the teaser posters are usually better than the theatrical posters?

QuoteMarketing rules re: movie posters.

Teaser poster: let the artsy kids who actually know a thing or two about basic composition get their rocks off so they'll shut up later on when you make the....

Official poster: in which jaded graphic artists who no longer give a shit cram everything they can into the allotted space, with no regard to the elements of design, because they know what makes the number crunching marketing execs happy.

DVDanswers.com posted the same artwork that is at the top of this page on their site with this comment...: We've attached the artwork below, although the artwork will be changing shortly.

Quote from: StefenI hate american cover art. They always have to show the actors and fill it with crap like review tag lines. Covers with just some artwork (no faces) and a title is the way to go. Same with posters. Anyone notice how the teaser posters are usually better than the theatrical posters?

http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=1180

29.95 is expensive... I might be mistaken, but I thought Lost in Translation (also Focus Features) was cheaper.  Or at least it didn't FEEL expensive.  Anyway, I only complain because I already know that I'm going to plunk down whatever they charge for the movie.

Quote from: StefenI hate american cover art. They always have to show the actors and fill it with crap like review tag lines.

It's to attract attention and stand out from the shelf to the video consumer searching the many aisles and titles in the store. It's an easy visual reference so one's eye goes right to the actor/actress and you know he/she is in it. The reviews could help sway a renter on the fence about plunking down her/her money to take a chance on a title they are iffy about; and that's what it's all about - money. For a studio to make back some money on a film that didn't do too well in theaters, or make even more money on a movie that did. The cover 'art' is not made for a cinephile to display in his/her collection. It's for the common consumer.

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Quote from: StefenI hate american cover art. They always have to show the actors and fill it with crap like review tag lines. Covers with just some artwork (no faces) and a title is the way to go. Same with posters. Anyone notice how the teaser posters are usually better than the theatrical posters?

http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=1180

jesus. way to be over a year ago, thread i thought was less than.

Quote from: matt35mm29.95 is expensive... I might be mistaken, but I thought Lost in Translation (also Focus Features) was cheaper.  Or at least it didn't FEEL expensive.  Anyway, I only complain because I already know that I'm going to plunk down whatever they charge for the movie.

29.95 is the retail price. If you go to places like Tower Records, Suncoast or Borders they will sell it at that price. But usually retailers like Bestbuy, Target or Circuit City you could pick it up for $19.99. Also, the DVD is on sale the first week it is released.

The DVD specs look real good. I hope the Polyphonic Spree video will be the one directed by Gondry. Check it out, Picolas posted this a while back:

http://www.eternalsunshine.com/video/music_video-480x270.mov

I saw Jesus' Son last night and found some things stylistically, and even in the acting of Billy Crudup, bringing my thoughts to 'Eternal Sunshine'. It was strange, because the movies are REALLY nothing alike, but maybe it was just some of the colors, and the faces Crudup wore.
Not to mention when he was slumping on the Subway train in a Knit Cap.


But Still
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is
30925418372547213457341956487563278 times better IMO.

Quote from: MacGuffinIt's an easy visual reference so one's eye goes right to the actor/actress and you know he/she is in it.

I've also noticed that if the actors on the cover are looking directly at you, the movie usually rents and sells more.

same thing with magazine covers.

That's why "Hustler" sells so well.  They seem to follow you...

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But Still
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is
30925418372547213457341956487563278 times better IMO.

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menus (if you're into that kind of thing)

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Revised artwork...again:

http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&p=info&c=4143&n=1&burl=

Thank Christ.

And Thank Gondry, since I'm sure he threw an excellent French-accented fit when he saw that previous artwork.

Funny, after removing all the stars, they felt the need to compensate by putting another review quote on it...

Yeah the revised artwork it better

yes, this is much less bad.  although never was there a more misleading quote than "smart sexy seriously funny comedy".  YEAH, just wait till those suburbians get a load of this weird thing!

Ha! Yep, everyone I know who saw it said it was strange (thus they didn't like it).

Charlie's First commentary...


Drooooool.

Quote from: 82Charlie's First commentary...


Drooooool.

yeah, this should be interesting.........although i imagine he will end up raising more questions than answering them

Eh, who cares.  It's CHARLIE FUCKING KAUFMAN on a COMMENTARY.  It's right up there with J.C himself commenting on The Passion.

Okay, perhaps a little overboard.  Sorry, I just splooged in my pants...

They should do a Jesus commentary on The Passion DVD.  Similar to the Elvis commentary on Bubba Ho-Tep.

"Y'know, I don't remember it being this bad.  The Romans were actually pretty nice about it."

or

"My mom was such a ho.  This part's not really accurate."

"Whoa.  Monica Bellucci is hot."

i am offended as a comedian.

Im watching this again, but on dvd, and how come When Joel brings all the stuff that reminds him of Clementine to the dr's office you can hear Dunsts character saying on the telephone to a patient "No, you can not have the procedure done three times in a month, its not our policy" When they get their memories erased aernt they supposed to not know they got it erased? This movie is bullshit!

Quote from: Stefen"No, you can not have the procedure done three times in a month, its not our policy"

Who knows? Trying to figure out an answer would be pointless for a Kaufman film. My guess though is that since they have records of who goes through Lacuna, they informed the patient that they've already been there. And now its the third time this month they've called even though they don't remember the first two times.

Again, who really knows..

But even then I would think they would tell tell them something else, like they are all booked until whenever, I don't think they would mention that the patient has had the procedure done 3 times in one month. You know it as well as I know it, that somewhere, someplace, a script supervisor is out of a job.

i think you have to imagine some bizarre circumstance in which a person knows that they want their memory erased at several points in the future

Carrey Says Film Soothes Warring Couples

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Jim Carrey says his last movie is a good prescription for squabbling lovers.

Carrey plays a man who has the painful memories of his girlfriend erased from his mind in "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind." At a party for the DVD release of the film on Thursday, he offered this promise about the hard-knocks love story:

"I guarantee you, couples who see this movie and it's not gooey, it's not romanticized in anyway but couples who see this movie will love each other after," he told Associated Press Television News. "They'll go, 'Awww, what the hell ... you're not so bad!' It supports love."

Joining Carrey at the party was co-star Kate Winslet, who plays the multi-colored-hair love interest Clementine. Clementine starts a battle of memory erasure when she scrubs him from her mind first. The DVD is set for release Tuesday.

Screenwriter Charlie Kaufman and actor Mark Ruffalo, who plays the brain-erase technician, also attended the event.

Beck performed "Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime" from the movie soundtrack, accompanied by composer Jon Brion on keyboards and director Michel Gondry on drums.

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Beck performed "Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime" from the movie soundtrack, accompanied by composer Jon Brion on keyboards and director Michel Gondry on drums.

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*creams pants*

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Quote from: MacGuffin
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*creams pants*

UhhH! *also stealing*

*watches*

Yo.

I just watched the deleted scenes. Me likes, m'likes. Cool scene of Jim Carrey shit-talking Clemetine to the tape-recorder in Mierzwiak's office. Wow. He says something to the effect of, "The hair thing? It's bullshit. The whole 'Oh you can't criticize me because I don't care how I look" thing...it's sad to be doing that when you're 30."

The "Behind the Scenes" Is standard 11 minute featurette hogwash but the interview w/ Carrey and Gondry is (not to sound like Harry Knowles) absolute BLISS. It's weird because the interview with Carrey/Gondry has more wonderful behind the scenes footage than the actual behind the scenes featurette. Hmmm. For example, Absolutely Fantastic Clips of Carrey and Winslet workshopping some of their scenes, one in which Carrey actually chucks a tape recorder at the wall, shattering it. Winslet's like, "He just broke the tape machine" and you can hear Gondry in the background moaning, "I know...I know...."

Carrey's acting in these clips is impressive, In My O.

Also, they both offer some good anecdotes, especially Carrey, who tells of the only fight on the set throughout the whole making of the film, an incident involving stuff like, "Kate Winslet fainted in the hot tub." Strange and funny.

The part where Gondry demonstrates his "on-camera special effects" (w/ the scene of Joel under the table) is very cool and interesting. When I saw it I blurted something, sort of like, "Pssshaha-wowee."

And now for the Beloved Charlie K Commentary: I'm retiring to my bedroom right now to watch it so good night to you, Xixax. I come to say farewell.

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For Bethie:

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Did anyone else find the DVD a bit lacking?  The features were all right, but the case itself and make-up of the menu.  Maybe I'm overcritical.

I'm too happy to care, though.  SPOILER...I guess...The deleted scene where Joel and Clementine are kissing, and she starts doing something weird with her tongue, then they start kissing and laughing...then she fades away so he's just holding his head in the pillow depressed...that scene sent chills up my spine, why was it removed?  Also, when he called Naomi, then calls Clementine, that scene made more sense when she said "What took you so long" and it made more sense why he was so compelled to hurry and leave.  

All around, it was an amazing experience once again.

so i get off work tonight at 9:47 pm and i need to get this thing b/c i've already made plans to watch it with two friends who have already grilled some salmon and bought a case of stella artois and we have talked about this for ever so i haul ass to target (which closes at 10). i run-walk to the dvd section as a woman over the intercom informs all target customers that "the store will be closing in 5 minutes so please make your final selections and check out at the front registers" so i see the dvd on the display shelf and i grab it, relieved, mentally smiling as i calmy walk up front and pay...

... so i'm in my car and i'm looking for a lighter and i pick up the dvd off my front passenger seat because i think the lighter is sititng there underneath it and as i do so i see the following: "FULL SCREEN"

so yeah, um, what? it wasn't branded on the front cover like it's supposed to be damnit. it's stiched in a font hardly noticable on the edge.

so my plan tomorrow is to go to target and exchange it even though i watched it with my friends this very evening. i think i might pull the old "this won't play in my dvd player can i exchange it for another copy?" wish me luck.

and the movie is brilliant and i love it oh so much.

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... so i'm in my car and i'm looking for a lighter and i pick up the dvd off my front passenger seat because i think the lighter is sititng there underneath it and as i do so i see the following: "FULL SCREEN"

FACED!

Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobThe deleted scene where Joel and Clementine are kissing, and she starts doing something weird with her tongue, then they start kissing and laughing...then she fades away so he's just holding his head in the pillow depressed...that scene sent chills up my spine, why was it removed?

I have no idea!
That scene broke my heart. It's too real, it's simply too fucking real. How you mess around, how much you love each other, how you break into laughter, how much that means...it's pure love right there.
When she licked his mouth I was like "how'd they know??"

For me, this film is more than amazing.

Quote from: ©brad"FULL SCREEN"

When I went to Futureshop (Best Buy's Canadian brother) there were 4 rows of Eternal Sunshine. I'd say about 30-35 on display. As I'm sifting through 1 row, I see that they say "Full Screen". Next row.. hmm.. those are full screen too. Next row.. wait, this is the same as the first two rows. Okay, well, save the best for last! Last row!   ...         ... Those are full screen too. Nice joke, everyone.

So I go to a worker about it and he's about to reach out and sift through the DVDs, and I say, "don't ever bother. i already looked. don't waste your time." So he goes looking around.. while I stand around like a dope. He scans the computer and there's two listings of Eternal Sunshine, and he suspects (correctly) that the supplier didn't send in the Widescreen version.

But I drove around and bought it somewhere else.

And I love it oh so much too.

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That scene broke my heart. It's too real, it's simply too fucking real. How you mess around, how much you love each other, how you break into laughter, how much that means...it's pure love right there.
When she licked his mouth I was like "how'd they know??"

For me, this film is more than amazing.

I loved it becaused in movies it's always a passionate, but mechanical kiss.  I loved how she improvised this thing with tongue and Joel just went with it, it's like she was integrating some new technique and they didn't stop to acknowledge it, but it was so...beautiful...

Especially when they broke into laughter, but didn't really stop.  It was just perfectly done.

How'd you see that deleted scene if it's not on the dvd?

It is.

I think it was deleted because it became repetitive to have them kiss and then have her disappear.  I agree that it was lovely, but I think that the final cut of the movie has equally lovely moments that get the same idea across.  So basically it was probably a cut for efficiency in storytelling.

Quote from: Gamblor geht weg.How'd you see that deleted scene if it's not on the dvd?

I think the deleted scenes are randomly selected Cause, like Gamblor, the first time I watched them I didn't see that scene. The second time I watched it, I saw that scene but not the one Hedwig mentioned with Joel recording with Dr. Miezwiak (a scene that I had seen before).

I think that's too cool for school.

anyone listened to the commentary yet? is it as excellent as i hope?

the commentaries pretty interesting, but slightly below my expectations, i dont know why. i just thought i'd laugh out loud a little more listening to it, but i guess that's just the boogie nights commentary.

i was wondering also, does anyone know what song is playing when ruffalo and dunst are dancing on the bed, the lyrics are something like "and you aint got nothing to do!" i dont think it's on the soundtrack

thanks

Glad they included my favourite line from one of the early drafts of Adaptation: "Why do I fall in love with every woman who pays me the slightest bit of attention".

The Willowz - Something
or am I wrong?

anyways...I liked the commentary, nothing spectacular but fine none the less. I do have a problem with Gondry's voice. You need to concentrate to hear what he means and as someone who likes to put on a commentary when I go to bed...not a good thing.

Quote from: ®edlumGlad they included my favourite line from one of the early drafts of Adaptation: "Why do I fall in love with every woman who pays me the slightest bit of attention".

I'm sure Kaufman wanted his voice to be heard at some point...

'Spotless Mind' Sparkles on Home Video

"Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," starring Jim Carrey , sold more than 600,000 combined DVD and VHS units its first day in release Tuesday (Sept. 28 ), according to industry sources. It's an impressive showing for a film that took in less than $40 million at the domestic boxoffice.

The video's distributor, Universal Studios Home Video, said "Eternal Sunshine" is on track to sell 1 million combined DVD and VHS units during it first week in release, surpassing all expectations for a title with its boxoffice gross.

Quote from: MacGuffinFor Bethie:
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aw. that was nice.  (https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stonetemplepilots.com%2Fubb%2Fsmile.gif&hash=22c8936ffbfce529cfe004202607c4cfd0336deb)   thank you.

So I'm the last person ever to see this movie (at least in the film-nerd community).  It's great, blah blah, no arguments here, but is it me or is Clementine kind of an annoying bitch (and not just when the movie's showing the obvious unpleasant parts)?  Maybe it's just me (or perhaps that's Carrey's subconscience presenting her that way, considering that movie is really dealing with his perspective/memories once we finish the opening... but anyway, yeah the back-and-forth car/street scene was cool).

i was disappointed by the commentary, too.
it was really hard to understand Gondry a lot of the time.
many times Gondry would make a statement and it seemed that Charlie didn't understand but just made an understanding "um-hmm" or something to act like he was.
i don't understand why the trailer wasn't on the DVD. i wanted to hear the ELO song again.

i guess enough people complained to Focus Features - i noticed you can now access the main menu without having to fast forward through previews.

Quote from: bigideasi don't understand why the trailer wasn't on the DVD. i wanted to hear the ELO song again.

It's in the previews on the Lost In Translation DVD.

yeah, i know. i actually got LiT back out and watched it the other day.
is that the full trailer? it seemed short to me.
is there not enough space on the Eternal DVD to put the trailer on there?

i think this time is more appropriate for the word than any other

baaaaam

and here's why

"We've got a few more new DVD announcements for you today. First up, Universal has announced that they'll release an Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: Collector's Edition on 1/4/05."  -digitalbits

a 2 disc re-release.  you can start kicking yourself now.  macguffin.  unless you have studio-dar like me and saw this coming when you heard how many units sunshine sold on its first day.

Quote from: sickfinsi think this time is more appropriate for the word than any other

baaaaam

and here's why

"We've got a few more new DVD announcements for you today. First up, Universal has announced that they'll release an Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: Collector's Edition on 1/4/05."  -digitalbits

a 2 disc re-release.  you can start kicking yourself now.  macguffin.  unless you have studio-dar like me and saw this coming when you heard how many units sunshine sold on its first day.

I feel so violated. Looks like someone is getting my DVD as a Christmas present.

"Original! Magical! Smart!" (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=5104&n=1&burl=)



Niiiice.

According to that report at DVDanswers, it's just the original edition -- the 2nd disc is the soundtrack. Oh, and a commemorative booklet. Yay. Maybe the details will change before January, but for now there's no reason to get rid of your the version you already own.

They're just going to Easy Rider it. Fine by me.  :?

yes i almost shit my pants yesterday when i heard 2 Disc Collectors Edition until i found out it was just the soundtrack.  focus, this is not the way to do business, you fucking jerks.

Mini-GT? How do you feel Mac now that you just lost your better half?

Hehe.  I just have to wonder which review of his brought this on.

As for the DVD, I'm just glad I haven't bought it yet.  Gives me a reason to buy this two-disc set.

Quote from: ono.Hehe.  I just have to wonder which review of his brought this on.

I think this (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=160138#160138) was the one.

fuck huckabees and fuck gt.  i hate this handle.

Cover art:

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look 8 posts up :shock:

Quote from: Pedro the Alpacalook 8 posts up :shock:

DVDAnswers gave my computer viruses so I don't visit it anymore, and you can't lick photos from that site anyway.

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Niiiice.

First post in that link:

"The single disc version was bad enough, being that this is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It made me hurt just to try and make it to the end."

ughhh.

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Niiiice.

First post in that link:

"The single disc version was bad enough, being that this is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It made me hurt just to try and make it to the end."

ughhh.

I'm pretty sure Morris Day wrote that.

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Niiiice.

First post in that link:

"The single disc version was bad enough, being that this is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It made me hurt just to try and make it to the end."

ughhh.

I'm pretty sure Morris Day wrote that.

For those of you who don't know who Morris Day is.....

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Some of you guys and gals are going to be sooo pissed about this, but here it goes.....
Source: DVDanswers.com
Universal Home Video has today announced plans to release a two-disc Collector's Edition of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind which stars Jim Carrey, Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Elijah Wood, Mark Ruffalo and Tom Wilkinson. The set will include the standard retail release of the film, along with a bonus disc (not the soundtrack as originally reported) and a Commemorative Photo Book. Extras will include a Inside the Mind of Michel Gondry feature, Anatomy Of A Scene: Saratoga Avenue, A Conversation With Kate Winslet and Michel Gondry and some additional deleted scenes. The retail price hasn't been set for this one, but we can tell you that it will be available to own in shops from the 4th January next year.

Well, in that case, I'm glad I haven't bought the current version yet.

This is what I get for being a Gondry fuckin' fanboy.

somebody find a contact info for Focus dvd dept. so we can all send massive FUCK YOU emails.

Quote from: themodernage02somebody find a contact info for Focus dvd dept. so we can all send massive FUCK YOU emails.

I'm up for that.....soooo.....who's going to get the 2 disc Set? :lol:

GODFUCKIT I JUST BOUGHT THE FUCKER THINKING THE TWO DISC WOULD STINK! AAARGUGGHG! THIS IS THE GREATEST MARKETING STRATEGY EVER>>!!!>!>!

whatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

Quote from: Chest Rockwellwhatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

That's right, and by then youngins will be wondering what videotapes and videotape players are.

Quote from: Chest Rockwellwhatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

In 20 years there will be a 3-disc edition...with the soundtrack.

Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: Chest Rockwellwhatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

In 20 years there will be a 3-disc edition...with the soundtrack.

More like 35 years.  :(

Quote from: Cinephile

Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: Chest Rockwellwhatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

In 20 years there will be a 3-disc edition...with the soundtrack.

More like 35 years.  :(

at this rate, more like 3-5 months.

Quote from: themodernage02

Quote from: Cinephile

Quote from: MacGuffin

Quote from: Chest Rockwellwhatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

In 20 years there will be a 3-disc edition...with the soundtrack.

More like 35 years.  :(

at this rate, more like 3-5 months.

Nobody got that one...  :(

Quote from: Cinephile

Quote from: themodernage02

Quote from: Cinephile

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Quote from: Chest Rockwellwhatever. the first edition will be worth more in 20 years, anyway, right?

In 20 years there will be a 3-disc edition...with the soundtrack.

More like 35 years.  :(

at this rate, more like 3-5 months.

Nobody got that one...  :(

this just announced.........

DVDsmansers.com
Focus Features will release a 3 disc edition of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind on April 23, 2004. Discs one and two will be the same as the 2 disc edition except for the contents being jumbled around a bit. Disc 3 will contain the soundtrack with 30 seconds of blank space tacked onto the last track.

dude, the joke is done.

Quote from: ©braddude, the joke is done.

more like 35 years  :(

from beingcharliekaufman.com, taken from jim carrey online...

A second disc will contain:

   * Inside the Mind of Michel Gondry feature
   * Anatomy Of A Scene: Saratoga Avenue
   * A Conversation With Kate Winslet and Michel Gondry
   * Additional deleted scenes
   * More

i was not impressed with this upon first viewing it theatrically -- i entertained the possibility that i had been in a bad mood or distracted,etc -- the idea is quite wonderful and gondry is quite the visual talent -- i recently saw this again on a flight to new york and still did not respond to it -- just didn't work for me and can not put my finger on why that is. i fell a big part has to do with the slow disintegration ofhte dream sequences from interesting to trivial -- we spend so much time in his mind which demanded a more creative approach -- there was wasted opportunties to bend this whole dream logic much further. and i think frodo really bothered me.

I truly believe everyone who can connect with films and who's been invovled in a serious relationship will get and embrace this movie.

Quote from: kotteI truly believe everyone who can connect with films and who's been invovled in a serious relationship will get and embrace this movie.

that could have been one of the most idiotic generalization ive heard uttered from one's self rightous mouth - congratulation. it is all clear to me -- now i know why the relationship im currently in has been lacking that "serious" quality -- when i didn't connect with this movie, i should have immediatly thrown in the towel -- thanks for clearing it up you fucking moron.

thats a tad harsh.

yeah seriously cowboy, chill the fuck out.

he has a point, though.

Haha, I thought the same thing as CK when I read Kotte's original post, just didn't have the stones to verbalize it (well, type I suppose).  This movie really brings out a creepy-geek-love thing out of people that I find well... creepy.

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Quote from: kotteI truly believe everyone who can connect with films and who's been invovled in a serious relationship will get and embrace this movie.

that could have been one of the most idiotic generalization ive heard uttered from one's self rightous mouth.

I love it how we all act like one big dysfunctional family on here.

Quote from: cowboykurtisthat could have been one of the most idiotic generalization ive heard uttered from one's self rightous mouth

Wasn't it?? :)
But it's true, from where I stand this film is that good. It's a subjective opinion for christ sake. You are free to feel different

I didn't quote you cause it wasn't a direct reply to what you said.
Come on, I have no idea where you come from, who you are or anything. And I'm certainly not making judgments on your relationship.

does anyone know the score/soundtrack really well?

i wondered if the Looney Toon-ish music that plays when Clem/Joel meet for the first time on the train is on the soundtrack.

that cracked me up in the theatre

simply delightful...

might i say they let kate wins...

and thats a good thing...a fine thing...a dine and design thing...

his ego in check for the mate with great vision of the floor...

get mjee the ball and let him create...game over

court side for the play offs...maybe

211

did anybody shell out more money for the 2 disc edition?
just wonderin' if the new stuff was anything spectacular.

macguffin did, although i'm not sure if he had it the first time.  i boycott it because it is so shamelessly ripping us off.   :yabbse-thumbdown:  :yabbse-thumbdown:

If you need to have been in a serious relationship to "get" or "connect with" this movie, something is wrong. What's next? You can't get "The Shining" because you haven't gone psycho and tried killing your wife?

:lol:

Quote from: bigideasdid anybody shell out more money for the 2 disc edition?
just wonderin' if the new stuff was anything spectacular.

The Winslet/Gondry interview was nothing special and pretty forgettable. But the Anatomy Of A Scene plays like one of those interesting episodes on the IFC channel that shows you how they did it. Like the test audiences, I never noticed that Clementine's leg was missing when she's walking down the street, which was why the car falling from the sky was added. The deleted scenes add more about Joel's releationship with his ex-girlfriend and has the whole first-date/apartment scene between Joel and Clementine. But the best reason to get the upgrade is for the Inside the Mind of Michel Gondry feature. It's a nice little biography on the guy told by those he worked with. It's like a companion piece to the doc on the Gondry Directors Series DVD.

It was nice seeing Charlie at the Golden Globes. Too bad Eternal Sunshine didn't win anything.   :(

Quote from: MacGuffinBut the best reason to get the upgrade is for the Inside the Mind of Michel Gondry feature. It's a nice little biography on the guy told by those he worked with. It's like a companion piece to the doc on the Gondry Directors Series DVD.

Mmm.

hmm.......that sounds interesting. i even liked Human Nature and Knives Out..........i wonder what entertainment place pays the most money on used DVD's? i imagine not much.

What do you guys think of Mick's "You Say Potato 2005" campaign? He is going all out. http://www.beingcharliekaufman.com/potato.htm


I think it's amusing.

Quote from: Bethie
I think it's amusing.

ditto.

I guess its been talked about but anyone see the Press Room Oscar interview with Gondry, Kaufman and Bismuth. It's pretty standard except Kaufman's hilarious and rude answere to the (exceptionally stupid) question if he felt he should have been credited as editor. Also how they stumble up on stage and are kept waiting for almost a minute before the first question.

Watch it over at Oscars.com (http://www.oscar.com/)

oscar who?

schindler?

Just saw this a few days ago.

You guys were right to give it everything at the Xixax awards.

This thing cut pretty close right now. This and Dylan's Blood On The Tracks. Together. Not at the same time, but one after the other after the other and so on...


Also, damn is it a cliched thing to say, but every character was so fully realized. Really nice. I hope it holds up (and/or gets better) with each repeated viewing. Must now buy dvd. Hmmm, R1 or R2???

Quote from: SoNowThenI hope it holds up (and/or gets better) with each repeated viewing.

well everybody but you already knows that it does.

Fan-diddling-tastic

:yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:  :yabbse-thumbup:

except the 15th viewing for sum reason..  :yabbse-huh:

i've heard that after viewing the movie for the 15th time you'll get sucked into the tv. you will enter a hidden scene in the movie where jim carry and kate winslet laughs at you.

shite, i have about 10 viewings left.

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and countless variations

people suck

i actually forgot what the real title is

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countless variations

You know... Google drops things like "and", "the", "of", "a", unless you include them as part of a phrase with quotations at the beginning and end.

as the last memory of Clementine is being erased, and he replies with a smile "she was just a girl" followed by a moment of silent regret...that is one of the saddest moments in film history.

(the saddest of course being the moment in "The Elephant Man" where he  holds a photo of his beautiful mother and states "i must have been a great disappointment to her.")

It Takes (2)
We asked a handful of Oscar nominees to name their closest creative partner -- their chief sounding board and ally.
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Kate Winslet with Michel Gondry

Actors often credit directors with helping them dig into a character's psyche or interpret a scene differently. Winslet credits Gondry with shaping the entire second act of her career. ''When Michel approached me about starring in Eternal Sunshine, I had done a lot of period films,'' says the 31-year-old, who just landed her fifth Oscar nomination for her turn in Little Children. ''Playing Clementine opened me up to exploring contemporary roles.'' A comparative neophyte to comedy and improv, Winslet related so well to the heavily accented director on the Sunshine set that she even became his de facto translator. ''Jim [Carrey] would nod at Michel's requests, and then immediately turn to me and ask, 'What did he say?' and I'd translate. I don't actually speak French, but we are completely on the same wavelength.''

Rewatched this this afternoon and was floored.  My first time I loved it.  My second time, I had criticisms.  On this third (or probably more -- I watched with commentary way back when too, and have read the shooting script a couple times to try to understand how Kaufman does what he does), I really can't find many flaws with it.  It's a perfectly written, perfectly executed movie, that still holds up almost 18 years later.  Winslet, not even 30, gives a performance for the ages with her take on the manic pixie dream girl before Zooey, and Carrey proves his chops as the quiet everyman.  It holds up because of the universal truths Kaufman taps into, the amazing technical execution Gondry applied to every sequence, and the great B subplot that ties this together, with Dunst's performance being the standout.  It's not often that I feel like saying this, but this one is worth saying for.  What a time it was to be alive, watching movies in that era.

I remember seeing it opening night in my own small town.
I remember the minutes leading up to my second viewing, being scared that my hyperbole was ruining it for my friend.
I remember the soundtrack and mowing lawn.
I remember it being more important than my first break up, and being okay with that.
I remember watching it with my dying dog bunned up in my lap because i didnt know how to what else to do.

For every other movie I'd love to lament to a profound moment in my life, it'll only ever boil down to this one.