When I saw her in Sullivan's Travels I couldn't keep my eyes off her. Now, last night I watched This Gun For Hire.
Where are the actresses like her nowadays? Like Rita Hayworth, like Lana Turner? Oh, to be sure we have our "good looking, well liked" gals -- our Hepburns and our Bergmans. But they're not like the above three. They can't set your heart and soul on fire, inspire you to the greatest of heights, make you feel like life without them was life not worth living.
So anyway, Veronica, damn, she had presence, she could act, and let's face it, she's about as easy on the eyes as anyone ever was. Though I just read on imdb about her tragic later career, I guess she was (besides about 3 flicks) totally wasted as an actress. Argh!!!! When I saw LA Confidential, and Basinger said "the hair's dyed, the rest is all me", I thought, yeah, she's a babe, she could be that movie star the men all want. But now I know, it's almost an insult to think this even for a second. Kim couldn't hold a candle to the real deal. Veronica was one of a kind.
*swoon*
Classic beauty...
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Awesome!! Thanks, Thrindle.
Though those last two pics don't do the gals justice.
Oh, and Mac and I were talking about this in PM's a while back, and I think I like Rita Hayworth better when she had her hair short and blonde (Lady From Shanghai). Mac was saying that supposedly that was scandalous to people used to her regular look, but it works for me!!
Also of note: gorgeous Veronica was only 5'2".
:yabbse-grin: :yabbse-thumbup:
EDIT: sorry, I just realized I said Lana Turner, when I meant Ava Gardner (who was in The Killers). My bad bad bad. No more crack smoking at lunch...
Quote from: SoNowThenOh, and Mac and I were talking about this in PM's a while back, and I think I like Rita Hayworth better when she had her hair short and blonde (Lady From Shanghai). Mac was saying that supposedly that was scandalous to people used to her regular look, but it works for me!!
Orson Welles made her change her hair/look (think Scotty in Vertigo), which is why that marriage didn't last long after that film.
Yeah, actually I read that they were pretty much broken up before it even started shooting, so a lot of people thought it was Orson's way of sticking it to her one last time. Fuck up her look and her image, make her play a double-crossing bitch.
But, damn, I think the man just knew what he was doing and saw how her perfect and graceful neck was being hidden by that thick hair. Anyway, I have a chick friend who looks a lot like Rita in that movie, needless to say she's one of the most beautiful people I've ever known, so I'm kinda biased to that look.
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I don't know... I prefer her as a brunette...
Dig this pic instead:
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Veronica Lake. One of my former avatars. Her short stature was apparent in Sullivan's Travels when she becomes a hobo with Joel McCrea.
Just think, by today's standards, she would have had to lose weight and would probably be doing Patene Pro-V commercials. :(
Just because I love old black and whites:
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i do love veronica lake, very much, but ingrid bergman, i think, is the most beautiful person to ever be shot in black and white. how dare anybody say she was merely a likable, pretty girl.
Quote from: GloriaJust think, by today's standards, she would have had to lose weight ... :(
That's bullshit, don't cry that old tired tune.
Monroe (and even Hayworth, from the looks of her pictures) may have been bigger boned and that theory flies, but Lake is a tiny little stick. I'm sure chicks in her day would bitch and complain when they looked at her. "Oh, what a floozie. Ooh, does she starve herself", and blah blah blah.
Sorry, it's just that kind of thing irks me. Part of the fact that she's beautiful is that she's very thin, very compact, yet still nice and curvy.
Quote from: bonanzatazi do love veronica lake, very much, but ingrid bergman, i think, is the most beautiful person to ever be shot in black and white. how dare anybody say she was merely a likable, pretty girl.
Oh, she's beautiful, I agree. It's just when I see her all I think of is "ahh, she's quite nice looking, and quite a good actress", whereas Hayworth and Turner and Lake are all top actresses, and they're all beautiful, but they also raise the temperature in a room by about 20 degrees, y'know what I mean? There's more visible sexuality blazing around them. Something...
Quote from: SoNowThenThat's bullshit, don't cry that old tired tune.
It's not bullshit. Standards today are different than they were. I'm mocking today's standards, not dragging Veronica Lake down. She is gorgeous and obviously talented. But the 'curvy' body you speak of is rare today. I just stated my observation, I didn't mean to spark a conflict.
I understand that, and I know you weren't ragging on Veronica. I just don't think beauty standards have got any heavier today. They may have changed, but the pressure was always the same. So it seems to me that if Veronica was around today, and I posted pics and said I loved her, people would just shrug it off. But with the distance of time, we can embrace it as class.
I'm sure for her time she was a jack-off fantasy on par with a Pamela Anderson for my generation. I'm not looking to ignore that.
Also, I just thought it was pertinent to point out that she is skinnier than very nearly every gal you pass on the street on a regular basis. And that's okay. Skinny doesn't always have to equal "unhealthy" or "emotional problems brought on by society's standards".
'Tis all.
Quote from: SoNowThenI just don't think beauty standards have got any heavier today. They may have changed, but the pressure was always the same. So it seems to me that if Veronica was around today, and I posted pics and said I loved her, people would just shrug it off. But with the distance of time, we can embrace it as class.
Quote from: SoNowThenI'm sure for her time she was a jack-off fantasy on par with a Pamela Anderson for my generation. I'm not looking to ignore that.
Let's go with this comparision. To compare Lake to Anderson just shows you the difference in beauty standards from the eras. Lake's era was about glamour and faces (as Gloria Swanson put it). The women (not chicks) of that time were dressed in elegance and grace - dressed being the key word. A lot was left to imagination. Thinking mens' sex symbols.
Now, take today, where Anderson is all about the body (and a fake plastic one at that), where her "beauty" is reduced to a spread in Playboy and Maxim without any, or hardly any, clothing. Gloria is right. Lake would have to show some skin and her belly to prove how "beautiful" she is. It's not just the time and distance that makes Lake and others of her era classy, it's how they were (or how the studios promoted them). Lake never appeared in a widely seen sex video.
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she kinda looks like Britney Spears in this one
Quote from: El Duderinoshe kinda looks like Britney Spears in this one
Sorry, I look at that picture and I don't think "whore."
me neither, that's not what i'm implying, i'm just saying, she kinda looks like Spears in that one. just that one.
are these all the same person??
Quote from: Pubrickare these all the same person??
The picture above is Rita Hayworth...with blonde hair. Gloria's pictures are of Veronica Lake, and Thrindle's first post is of Lake, Hayworth (with red hair) and Lana Turner.
oh, thanks mac, i was starting to freak out.
This thread would just not be right without one more addition:
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Stunning.
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I'm expecting feedback on this one... To say it first though, this is real beauty. It's obvious that Marilyn was just naturally gorgeous. By today's standards she'd be slammed. Having said that, if she were famous today she would probably be all "personal-traineresque" anyways. (I am completely biased and prefer her natural body to the hard bodies of today... perhaps that's because I'm female and hers is more attainable. :P )
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I found this picture and had to post it. I wonder how often her glamorous smile was hiding this.
Quote from: ThrindleBy today's standards she'd be slammed.
slammed like
I would slam her?
i don't see any other way that sentence would make sense.
Quote from: PubrickQuote from: ThrindleBy today's standards she'd be slammed.
slammed like I would slam her?
i don't see any other way that sentence would make sense.
:lol:
Yes, druggie zero-self-esteem super-slut ditz Marilyn is quite the positive role model for women everywhere. :wink:
well, from what I've read and heard it's true, so please don't hurt meAnyway, yeah, she is cool, Thrindle, I agree. I sure like the other ones better though.
Quote from: SoNowThendruggie zero-self-esteem super-slut ditz.
Did you also read that she was sexually abused by her foster parents? Betcha didn't read that. So if that's the case, zero self esteem, promiscuous behavior, and the mask of "stupidity" might just be explainable. Do you have any idea what sexual abuse does to someone?
And one more point, who fucking cares if she had a lot of sex?! If she had a dick you would have never said that! Looks like you buy into societal double standards. Maybe it's time to step back, and use
your own mind to rethink your opinions.
Hahahaha, calm it down. I don't hate Marilyn. I like her just fine.
I just think it's funny that it's okay to hate-on young babes today, and those words are always tossed around, but yet it's fine for girls to put MM posters up all over their rooms.
Remember: I COULDN'T CARE LESS what kind of person MM was. Or what kind of person Britney Spears is. Cos I'll never meet them. I do know they look good to me. But if I say I think MM is beautiful, I get smiles and pats on the back, whereas if I say I think BS is beautiful, I get sideways looks and the "what a dumb whore" comments.
Yeah, but you forget that you had to add:
Quote from: SoNowThenwell, from what I've read and heard it's true
SO it was no longer about calling a girl pretty and someone else saying "ah, she's a slut". You straight up said it. Therefore your backpeddaling comment below has no merit. You get sideways looks?! Who cares! You are doing the same thing that you just criticized.
Quote from: SoNowThenif I say I think BS is beautiful, I get sideways looks and the "what a dumb whore" comments.
My comment was a sarcastic reply to the "I am completely biased and prefer her natural body to the hard bodies of today... perhaps that's because I'm female and hers is more attainable" thing you said.
In other words, people were making comments comparing MM with "beauties of today", and having MM come out looking like an angel. By the the standards of which folks blast on girls now, I was saying that you'd have to include MM in the list, to be fair. My disclaimer was put there to say that I wasn't just making this shit up to prove my point.
Why didn't you just quote me then? Instead of commenting beneath another of xixax's many mysoginistic jokes? (I'm not saying I have no sense of humor but sometimes it gets a little annoying)
I suppose I jumped on this one because I've read your posts before, and quite frankly, often the way you speak about women pisses me off.
Example:
Quote from: SoNowThenI'm sure for her time she was a jack-off fantasy on par with a Pamela Anderson for my generation.
Furthermore, the post I commented on in the first place sounded nothing like the "take back" you just gave.
Quote from: ThrindleWhy didn't you just quote me then? Instead of commenting beneath another of xixax's many mysoginistic jokes? (I'm not saying I have no sense of humor but sometimes it gets a little annoying)
I suppose I jumped on this one because I've read your posts before, and quite frankly, often the way you speak about women pisses me off.
That's all fair. Part of the open dialogue is that you stand up and say something if you disagree. I wouldn't expect anything else.
As to my "jack-off fantasy" quote, do you think it is an incorrect statement? Do you not think that Lake was a sex symbol that boys dreamed about making love to?
it'd be funny if you two ended up making out at a xixax reunion.
SoNowThen, do you really want me to go through all of your posts and pick out the comments that piss me off? I'm too busy for that. But if you really want me to pick you apart... I'm more than happy to :-D .
And as for what Crono said... sorry dude that wouldn't happen. Saving the love for GT.
Quote from: ThrindleSoNowThen, do you really want me to go through all of your posts and pick out the comments that piss me off?
No need to look back, I'll be happy to furnish you with new ones each day.
8)
Quote from: ThrindleAnd as for what Crono said... sorry dude that wouldn't happen. Saving the love for GT.
Thrindle's so hot and not because of this quote, but because she gut checked SoNowThen (who I do love) and right now he's on the ground, rolled up, eyes bulging and gasping for breath.
He'll continue with his ways, but something tells me he'll save his comments on subjects that involve the participation of another certain female member of ours......
Are... you... serious?
Did I miss something, or did my other self concede while I was sleeping last night?
Quote from: SoNowThenAre... you... serious?
Did I miss something, or did my other self concede while I was sleeping last night?
haha.....its ok....its ok
Veronica Lake's Reputed Remains Resurface
With her peek-a-boo blond hairdo and sultry looks, Veronica Lake was the "it-girl" of the 1940s silver screen. When she died penniless three decades later, her ashes sat anonymously in a funeral home for nearly three years before they were scattered off the Florida coast. Or were they?
Far from the Hollywood hills and many miles north of Miami, Lake's reputed remains have resurfaced in a Catskills antique store. The quirky little shop plans a homage to the late star on Saturday, with a look-alike contest, "Peek-A-Boo" cookies and a spoonful of the actress' purported ashes taking center stage.
While questions about the ashes' authenticity hang over the event like Lake's signature hairstyle, the boutique's owner is convinced they are the real thing.
"It's a strange little footnote to a fascinating legacy," said Laura Levine, owner of Homer and Langley's Mystery Spot in Phoenicia, N.Y. "I'm a huge fan of Veronica Lake. I just think she's brilliant, gorgeous, incredibly talented and underappreciated."
Lake was once one of Hollywood's brightest lights, a contemporary of Oscar winners Ingrid Bergman and Joan Crawford, a co-star with Alan Ladd in the film noirs "This Gun for Hire" and "The Glass Key" and with Joel McCrea in Preston Sturges' "Sullivan's Travels."
Her hairstyle, with long locks cascading over her right eye, was so popular that U.S. officials asked her to change it during World War II, fearing the 'do might cause workplace accidents among women on assembly lines.
Kim Basinger's Oscar-winning call girl character in 1998's "L.A. Confidential" was based on Lake.
But when the actress died in her early 50s on July 7, 1973, she was an entertainment footnote. She was working as a New York cocktail waitress, drinking heavily and married to her fourth husband, a commercial fisherman known as "Captain Bob."
Her sparsely attended Manhattan memorial service was paid for by a friend, veteran ghostwriter Donald Bain, who penned Lake's autobiography. Not even her ashes made the event; they were stored at a Burlington, Vt., funeral home in a squabble over money, as best Bain can remember.
The remains remained there until March 1976, when two friends volunteered to bring Lake's ashes to Florida. Bain sent the funeral home $200 to cover the back storage fees, and the ashes were shipped to the Park Avenue residence of Lake confidante William Roos.
Roos and pal Dick Toman took the ashes south for their ceremonial deposit in the water off Miami, just as Lake had once requested.
Mission accomplished. Or so Bain thought.
The years passed, Toman died, Roos fell out of touch with Bain and then, 28 years later, Lake's ashes reappeared, along with an odd story of ownership.
According to Lake's current keeper, Larry Brill, off-Broadway producer Ben Bagley saw the urn with Lake's ashes while visiting Roos and became enamored of the attractive container. Roos, for reasons unexplained, later sent along the ashes to Bagley without the urn, said Brill.
A disappointed Bagley promptly poured the remains into a manila envelope and mailed them to Brill in about 1979. The amount was so small that it was clearly not all of her remains, suggesting that Roos might have saved some of the ashes as a keepsake.
"I have no reason not to believe the ashes are Veronica Lake," said Brill, 65, a graphic designer and Lake fan. "Benny's not going to dump some stranger's ashes in an envelope."
Bagley died in 1998, and neither Brill nor Bain knows what became of Roos. That leaves Bain as the last skeptical voice.
"How do you know these aren't the ashes of a dog from the vet?" wondered the author of more than 80 books, including the "Murder She Wrote" mystery series under the Jessica Fletcher pseudonym and the amorous adventures of two swinging stewardesses in "Coffee, Tea or Me?"
Brill, who spends his weekends in the Catskills, brought the ashes to Levine's store this summer. They quickly found a place among the shop's garden gnomes, vintage clothing and paint-by-number art, and inspired the October tribute.
Brill plans to take the ashes back to Manhattan afterward, and said he was considering offers for the ashes from potential buyers.
"What am I going to do, leave it to my 13-year-old kid?" Brill said. "My kid could care less. He doesn't know who she is."
Quote from: MacGuffinVeronica Lake's Reputed Remains Resurface
just in time for Halloween!