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Reply #420 on: November 17, 2021, 03:47:56 PM
Rewatched yesterday and I wonder if there's been posts of how it precludes Phantom Thread, not just in setting  ->

Freddie loves bellies, "this isn't fashion, you do it for a billion years or not at all," and both Freddie and Woodcock have "visions" of their mother.


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Reply #421 on: November 17, 2021, 03:49:26 PM
Oh no.  A belly fetish to contend with now?  Still prefer that over feet....


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Reply #422 on: November 17, 2021, 04:00:54 PM
Belly fetish = womb = connection to a lost Mother?
An attempt to fill the Motherly void by returning to the comfort of the void itself?

This strings nicely through both Freddie and Reynolds’s psychology.


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Reply #423 on: November 17, 2021, 04:07:56 PM
This strings nicely through both Freddie and Reynolds’s psychology.

He is indeed a Hungry Boy.


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Reply #424 on: November 17, 2021, 10:29:50 PM

This strings nicely through both Freddie and Reynolds’s psychology.

As long as we are talking similarities between Reynolds and Freddie they both have a thing for secrets. When asked what is in his potion Freddie says secrets. When asked what he would hide in the lining of his coats Reynolds says secrets.


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Reply #425 on: November 21, 2021, 06:56:20 AM
Does anybody remember the video essay (I think it was a video essay) from a few years ago that discussed PTA and "The id"?

The thesis was that Daniel, Freddie and Barry were essentially same character but differently evolved versions of the same character. Just wondering if Reynolds fits into that idea now.

If anybody knows the essay I'm referring to then please link.


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Reply #426 on: November 21, 2021, 07:11:49 AM
I know I’ve seen that video essay but I can’t find it now.

The through line of that theory, for me, is this soul we’re watching (Daniel, Freddie, Barry) needs to acquire love in their life. It takes like 100 years.

Now, Reynolds finds love quite a bit earlier than Barry does so I’m not sure the “same soul” theory fits here.

BUT If The Master is our middle act where the Soul learns possibilities of love (Freddie “changing partners” to find connection but ultimately being alone), then Phantom Thread could act as an alternative path there (learning to live with another when you still possess the same drive that drove Plainview to be alone his whole life).


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Reply #427 on: November 21, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
While I’m here…

So, the phone call in the movie theater. I always assume the call was a dream. But, in the shot when Freddie wakes up in the theater (the signal it was a dream) you can clearly see the phone cord draping around the half wall behind him. Almost like the phone is sitting on the floor next to Freddie. This could just be a continuity error, like the cigarettes in the ashtray after the processing scene, but I want it to be a clue of some kind.

Any guesses?


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Reply #428 on: November 21, 2021, 10:46:54 AM
While I’m here…

So, the phone call in the movie theater. I always assume the call was a dream. But, in the shot when Freddie wakes up in the theater (the signal it was a dream) you can clearly see the phone cord draping around the half wall behind him. Almost like the phone is sitting on the floor next to Freddie. This could just be a continuity error, like the cigarettes in the ashtray after the processing scene, but I want it to be a clue of some kind.

Any guesses?

I never noticed that. I'm due a rewatch so will keep a look out for it, I was always under the assumption that it was a dream and that it was just part and parcel of the slipperiness of The Master.


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Reply #429 on: November 21, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
It seems like 100% a dream considering Dobbs reaction to the Kools n England after this. He’s like “…eh cool? Thanks?”  Freddie could have just heard Dobbs was in England now.
It’s really that phone cord that gets me. I’m almost positive it’s just continuity but I’m looking for meaning!


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Reply #430 on: November 21, 2021, 11:45:06 AM
FWIW, the script specifically says the scene is a dream...


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Reply #431 on: November 21, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
It seems like 100% a dream considering Dobbs reaction to the Kools n England after this. He’s like “…eh cool? Thanks?”  Freddie could have just heard Dobbs was in England now.
It’s really that phone cord that gets me. I’m almost positive it’s just continuity but I’m looking for meaning!

I almost feel like he leaves stuff like this in on purpose, like even though it's meant to be a dream there's enough there that you can read it in a slightly different way if you want.


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Reply #432 on: January 10, 2022, 12:14:40 PM
Given the speculation that this was PTA's most personal film and how disappointed he was with its reception, what if anything can we infer about his personal intentions?  How much of Freddie is him?  How much of PTA's relationship with PSH is reflected in Freddie's relationship with Lancaster?  Or maybe a better question: Why do you think it's so personal?  Maybe it's just because of the primal aspects of Freddie, and one of the reasons I like the film so much.  He seems to be able to tap into some feelings of masculism that are really hard to express otherwise.


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Reply #433 on: January 10, 2022, 12:37:39 PM
how disappointed he was with its reception

When did he say that?


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Reply #434 on: January 10, 2022, 12:43:38 PM


 

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