The Master - SPOILERS!

Started by polkablues, August 18, 2012, 01:41:45 AM

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Quote from: Reelist on November 08, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
All of the google doodles look like a pussy to me today
Same here.


Was reading through Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra and found this little gem:

"All these most difficult things the spirit that would bear much takes upon itself: like the camel that, burdened, speeds into the desert, thus the spirit speeds into the desert. In the loneliest desert, however, the second metamorphosis occurs: here the spirit becomes a lion who would conquer his freedom and be master in his own desert. Here he seeks out his last master: he wants to fight him and his last god; for ultimate victory he wants to fight with the great dragon."

Here is the rest for the interested: "Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." "Thou shalt lies in his way, sparkling like gold, an animal covered with scales; and on every scale shines a golden "thou shalt". Values thousands of years old, shine on these scales; and thus speaks the mightiest of all dragons: "All value of all things shines on me. All value has long been created, and I am all created value. Verily, there shall be no more 'I will.'" Thus speaks the dragon."


Max From Fearless linked this in the PSH thread, and this also needs to be here.

One of the greatest, if not the greatest interview/conversation with PSH, about happiness, The Master, and life in general. It is layered in a way not many conversations can be through time. The dialogue is between PSH and an extremely passionate (and worthwhile) philosopher.



Yeah it's really a shame. This would've really been a breakout role/launching pad for bigger things for him, terrible he didn't live to experience it.

I also keep constantly thinking about THE MASTER scene and how both of them are gone.
Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.


I'll have to give that a watch. PTA did say film noir was the biggest influence was behind it.

Semi-related- does The Master fall into a set of films such as Cool Hand Luke and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? They kinda seem to inform Freddie and his travels- it's not surprising to hear about post-war drifters, unwilling to comply with the system. Freddie has an incredible distrust of authority and of course imprisonment but he ends up in a different sort institution, I wonder what he sould have done in a Cool Hand Luke situation. What other films follow a similar idea? The concept of control, being part of a group and submission becomes rather important towards the end, If you figure a way to live without serving a master, any master, then let the rest of us know, will you?


Untouchable Lancaster Dodd sings about Freddie:

The sailor was a captain
He was a mighty dog
Served out to all the company
A double sheriff's grog


Quote from: picolas on June 05, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
someone has probably already found this. i'm guessing it's not a coincidence.. at the very least it's spooky. Teresa Duncan's blog features quotes from "proverbs for paranoids", two of which are

1. "You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle his creatures." 237
2. "The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master." 241
Quote from: Pubrick on June 05, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
and for those who may not remember or never knew.. Theresa Duncan, along with her partner Jeremy Blake, committed suicide after a long bout of extreme paranoia relating to scientology .


Posted this in the IV thread.

Quote from: Lottery on November 01, 2014, 06:02:29 PM

From the interviewer's twitter, Jenkins lead me to this about a week (?) ago.

Ask PTA if Freddie Quell from THE MASTER becomes Doc in INHERENT VICE. He imagines Freddie starting something like The Source Family. #yes

Did anyone wonder where Freddie would end up years after the film? I spent a long time thinking about that. It's interesting, because you have Master ending up as worshipped/despised 20th century religious figure however most people/most later followers of The Cause would never understand the impact that Freddie had on him. It's like he'd be lost to history under Peggy's orders and the only way anyone would ever really learn of him is coming across a first edition copy of the The Split Saber which has a tiny piece of text saying 'photography by Freddie Quell'.


I don't think he can live very long, I imagine his death in an accident, something like that.


Killed for sleeping with the wrong guy's wife.


freddie quell seemed like the type of guy who never really holds his shit together for long.  I could imagine him having a kid or two but getting divorced, drinking a lot, generally never having any or a lot of money. maybe homeless. 

Gold Trumpet

I dissented against Magnolia, There Will be Blood (which i actually want to watch again) and Inherent Vice. All of that delayed my watching The Master. However, I have to say, in very short words, it's a masterpiece. Amazing film. More words and comments to come.


glad you like it, i think its my favorite !