the smiths or the cure?

Started by Rudie Obias, June 29, 2003, 08:43:34 PM

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SoNowThen

#30
April 13, 2004, 04:52:11 PM
:)

That's quite the can of worms I opened! At any rate, I think it's cool when people like something/someone this much.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

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April 13, 2004, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: SoNowThen:)

That's quite the can of worms I opened! At any rate, I think it's cool when people like something/someone this much.

From what I know of your musical taste, you probably agree with at least some of what I said.  :)

I like very few (public) people as much as I like Morrissey. Is this the thread where I called him my "spiritual father"? Anyway... I feel I've learned a lot from him. He was my college when it came to so much great music other than his own (and books... and film...) He's one of the few stars with cults who also exhibits a sort of obsessive devotion to his own heroes.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Born Under Punches

#32
April 13, 2004, 05:13:25 PM
The Cure, even though they put one of their songs in a fucking Hewlett-Packard ad.
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