His opinion is respected, but I've strayed light years away from his taste. Lost in Translation is his #2 and while I respected the film, it didn't accomplish much in my eyes. Master and Commander is a dismal choice. It tasted so sour in my mouth when I watched it that I couldn't even come to properly reviewing it. His #1 is interesting. His number #8 is the most anticipated movie for me. I've tried ebay dozens of times over the last year and recently have bothered even the distributor in attaining the film. Late Spring, '04 is the dvd release date. Hopefully the XIXAX awards recognize it as '04.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-feature/sho-sunday-roger21.html
1.) Monster
2.) Lost in Translation
3.) American Splendor
4.) Finding Nemo
5.) Master and Commander
6.) Mystic River
7.) Owning Mahoney
8.) The Son
9.) Whale Rider
10.) In America
house of 1000 corpses is a glaring omission.
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet7.) Owning Mahoney
I'm as big a PSH fan as anyone, and I did enjoy this movie. But it was just way to slight to be making any top-10 lists. ... I know Ebert sometimes throws small films on there to get them back in the spotlight or get people interested in them. But this film just doesn't amount to much in the long run.
Also, his continuing stubbornness against the LOTR films remains embarrassing.
I'm shocked that Kill Bill wasn't on his list. That's certainly one of the top three movies this year. I strongly disagree with him on Master and Commander and Owning Mahoney.
What a coincidence that for the past three years, every best movie of the year has started with M. Particularly Monster and Monster's Ball.
Quote from: SydneyI'm shocked that Kill Bill wasn't on his list.
Yeah, Ebert did give Kill Bill a fairly breathless four-star review.
Yeah, sometimes Ebert's on the money. But Master and Commander....dear god! I do think it's interesting that he thinks Mystic River has a Shakespearean quality to it, that makes me wanna watch the film again, but still Kill Bill and ROTK should be on that list, unless we're back to the confusion between his favorites list, or his best of the year list. He's too full of self-importance to see that ROTK should be on his list, the bastard. But I'll still read his reviews.
But he's soooo inconsistent when it comes the blockbusters. He fawned over Titanic as an example of brilliant filmmaking, and it came off partially as him catering to and justifying the film's popularity with the masses.
But he seems to just be dead-set against giving out kudos to LOTR, although you can tell him his ROTK review how much he admires it.
Quote from: Gamblor du JourI do think it's interesting that he thinks Mystic River has a Shakespearean quality to it
Oh, but there WAS a Shakespearean quality to it. I hadn't even read his review yet when I'd seen the film. The way the film explores themes with it's dialogue reminded me of the Shakespeare qualities, but what really smacked me right in the face was near the end with Laura Linney's little monologue on the bed. That just reeked of Shakespeare.
As it relates to Kill Bill, I think it's in a fair spot on his list, as all or most of the films on his list are much more moving pictures while Kill Bill is more pure in its entertainment and filmmaking style.
When you consider his list and the big films in contention for the Globes and what's to come for the Oscars, this really was a great year for the movies.
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet1.) Monster
2.) Lost in Translation
3.) American Splendor
4.) Finding Nemo
5.) Master and Commander
6.) Mystic River
7.) Owning Mahoney
8.) The Son
9.) Whale Rider
10.) In America
Monster? Hahaha. I'm sorry, but as much as I respect Ebert, I think he may have lost it a bit here. So Charlize Theron gets uglified and shows a little skin, and we're supposed to believe this lesbo-serial-killer fare is better than Finding Nemo and Lost in Translation? Granted, I haven't seen Monster, but I can't believe something seemingly banal could be the best film of the year. This is an annoying trend which was touched on last year where an actress makes a slight change to her physical appearance and/or shows a little skin, and then gets taken a little more seriously (*cough*Halle Berry*cough). And not that I don't admire Nicole Kidman, but Julianne Moore was even better in The Hours, and she got totally shafted there for her performance.
I liked Owning Mahowny, but I agree it was a little slight to be one of the year's best. And American Splendor, while original in style, and an exhilirating film while experiencing it, pales upon reflection. I haven't seen Mystic River, Master and Commander, or In America, and I haven't even heard of The Son. Took me long enough to find it on IMDb. It's Le Fils, if anyone is curious. Whale Rider is a decent, uplifting, subtlely beautiful film, but I think a lot of people overpraise it considering how refreshing it is, given the genre.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaThis is an annoying trend which was touched on last year where an actress makes a slight change to her physical appearance and/or shows a little skin, and then gets taken a little more seriously (*cough*Halle Berry*cough).
Well, let's look at it this way: He said the same of Monster as he did for Monster's Ball and I don't think he even recognized that fact. Best performance of the year in the best film of the year. And he was correct on both of those. On top of that, Berry even won Best Actress for her role too, and we all know about the history made that night because of it.
So I wouldn't be so quick to judge his high opinions on Monster. I think you've got a little bit too much Kidman/Hours on the brain and that's not cool, since I feel they're too different categories: Halle Berry has never been held in high esteem as one of those great actresses who really deserves that oscar for all her hard work in hollywood, etc, etc, etc, while the Hours media attention was Kidman-this and Kidman-that. Too much hype.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that maybe Theron did a great fuckin' job and maybe Monster is a great fuckin' movie. Let's wait and see.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaGranted, I haven't seen Monster, but I can't believe something seemingly banal could be the best film of the year.
I just hope you see it and love it more than Ebert. I just hate pre-judgment and not you in particular :wink:
1.) Monster-haven't seen it but since this is the guy that thought blue velvet sucked ..this film is way overrated then....
2.) Lost in Translation-really good film ..but nnot a number 2
3.) American Splendor-haven't seen it but heard only great things....
4.) Finding Nemo-.its good but still its cliched and kitchey disnney film..
5.) Master and Commander-...havent seen it....
6.) Mystic River- really good....deserves higher on this list
7.) Owning Mahoney-..haven't seen it yet..
8.) The Son-...never heard of it
9.) Whale Rider-don't care to much about this one.....
10.) In America-.this looks really good and .i really want to check this out
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Neon, you've just reminded me why people shouldn't comment about lists.
Quote from: CinephileNeon, you've just reminded me why people shouldn't comment about lists.
...b/c i'm always right...and it spoils the fun for others........ :wink:
trust me moster is overrated...i have experiennced 20+ years of fiml watching and i knnow what i am talking about..........ebert picked that as his number one to be different.....YOU HEARD IT HERE............FIRST
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Monster? Hahaha. I'm sorry, but as much as I respect Ebert, I think he may have lost it a bit here. So Charlize Theron gets uglified and shows a little skin, and we're supposed to believe this lesbo-serial-killer fare is better than Finding Nemo and Lost in Translation? Granted, I haven't seen Monster, but I can't believe something seemingly banal could be the best film of the year.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups."
-Under Seige 2
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetQuote from: Onomatopoeia
Monster? Hahaha. I'm sorry, but as much as I respect Ebert, I think he may have lost it a bit here. So Charlize Theron gets uglified and shows a little skin, and we're supposed to believe this lesbo-serial-killer fare is better than Finding Nemo and Lost in Translation? Granted, I haven't seen Monster, but I can't believe something seemingly banal could be the best film of the year.
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups."
-Under Seige 2
I prefer "don't assume - it makes an ass out of you and me." Um, yes.
Anyway, we don't know whether any movie will be good or not unless we see it, but there are some you can just tell by the publicity material they will be crap or you probably have no interest in. I just don't see what the appeal of Monster is right now, except for the skin factor, which, even though I respect Ebert, some of his reviews indicate he falls victim to.
I don't think Monster looks particularly good, either, and Ebert has a tendency to fall for this type of movie (Monster's Ball, which I did agree with him on at first, is a prime example). But it's a good list, and on his actual article he followed it with more films that he claimed were just as much an equal as any on the 'official' list, and that included Kill Bill -- and May (yay!). He said he tried doing an alphabetical list one year, because he hates ranking movies that shouldn't be compared, but he got tons of hate mail about it.
Quote from: GhostboyI don't think Monster looks particularly good, either, and Ebert has a tendency to fall for this type of movie (Monster's Ball, which I did agree with him on at first, is a prime example). But it's a good list, and on his actual article he followed it with more films that he claimed were just as much an equal as any on the 'official' list, and that included Kill Bill -- and May (yay!). He said he tried doing an alphabetical list one year, because he hates ranking movies that shouldn't be compared, but he got tons of hate mail about it.
But he still avoided ROTK, likes too good for it, he's basically snubbing it. He was that kid in school who tried to be different, wore shirts that said "You laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the same" and stuff like that :lol:
I think we are forgetting this simple phrase. Or two phrases... Or just two phrases I just made up.
"Every boy and girl across the land, is different. No two people are alike!"
"We all have different opinions!"
chris
Quote from: ThecowgoooesmoooOr just two phrases I just made up.
:shock: You're a fountain of wisdom...
QuoteThecowgoooesmooo wrote:
Or just two phrases I just made up.
You're a fountain of wisdom...
Well thank you. You've got a long way to go.
:)
chris
I feel ebert went gaga over american splendor and lost in translation, as well as elephant, way too easily. he wouldn't've five years ago.
Wait, wait. Hold on just a minute. Everyone just shut up. WAIT!
...there was a Under Siege TWO!?
yes, and it was better than the first. the new one is coming out sometime next year. can't wait.
this is the new steven segal movie, directed by a pretty badass hong kong director/ choreographer (he choreographed the upcoming Shaolin Soccer and Hero)-turned slave of segal. the movie looks selacious (exploitative) as hell.
http://www.videodetective.com/home.asp?PublishedID=237127&VideoKbRate=1&AltID=&CustomerID=14817&WM=False&Ads=True&Play=False&Shorten=False
Quote from: peteI feel ebert went gaga over american splendor and lost in translation, as well as elephant, way too easily. he wouldn't've five years ago.
I never understand these anti-Ebert comments. How do you know he wouldn't have five years ago? Where is the evidence to support this?
the evidence is that Ebert was never a big fan of irony before. He was always pointing out that we lived in an age of irony, and he liked films like Magnolia that never hid behind irony and that was just unashambly sincere.
I wasn't anti-ebert either, more like anti-these movies.
Screw Ebert. Read my year end article!
http://movienavigator.org/2003take.htm
Hey mutinyco, I really enjoyed reading that. And now I actually wanna see 'Gigli', which I'm still not sure is a good thing...
good read.......but i strongly disagree with you on finding nemo!
yeah, especially the most well-market-researched comment, I don't really see that many attempts to appeal to the minorities, or single guys age 17-44, or people who drive cars in general, or believers of any religion.
I think the most well market-researched film(s) goes to the matrix series.
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
1.) Monster
2.) Lost in Translation
3.) American Splendor
4.) Finding Nemo
5.) Master and Commander
6.) Mystic River
7.) Owning Mahoney
8.) The Son
9.) Whale Rider
10.) In America
Return of the King deserves to be on this list.
.. and my god what is Master and Commander doing on it?
Lost in Translation was a beautiful, beautiful film. Hell, Paul Thomas Anderson put it on his list of favorites for the year. Thats good enough for me.
Ebert's a dirty old man. I'm looking forward to Roeper's list. He always has the better movies. He may be annoying at times, but he does have great taste in movies. And usually the best movies on Ebert's list are on his list too, anyway.
Quote from: Derek237Ebert's a dirty old man.
Indeed ... no wonder David Lynch makes it an almost absolute rule that if Ebert is saying 'thumbs up' he won't like it. It's exagerated but still. His review of Blue Velvet is one of the funniest thing I've heard. You could swear it was a 60 year old church lady speaking. "And in "Blue Velvet," there are some scenes in which a woman is degraded and humiliated and made to suffer obscenely, and other scenes in which we're supposed to giggle." Haha
Quote from: Derek237I'm looking forward to Roeper's list. He always has the better movies. He may be annoying at times, but he does have great taste in movies. And usually the best movies on Ebert's list are on his list too, anyway.
Right, because Memento and Vanilla Sky were the best films of 2001. :roll:
they were actually, along with The Man Who Wasn't There, Royal Tenenbaums, and In Praise Of Love
I apologize for rewinding two years like this :?
The Royal Tenenbaums was one of the best, while the other three were just good movies. I haven't seen In Praise of Love. :(
2001 & 2002 had their good points, but all things considered, I think it was the best year for movies since '99. Though not as good as '99.
I don't know if I can decide whether 1999 or 2003 is better.
I think Vanilla Sky was the best of 2001. Just my opinion though. That's why I like Roeper, his tastes are similar to mine....
Yeah, I used to want to slit Roeper's throat, until he picked Gangs as the best movie last year, and I thought "hey, this guy's alright!!". He can surprise you every now and again with some top picks.
Fair enough. I agree with Roeper from time to time but it's not his taste of film that I'm bothered by, but his perception of film. So many times over, he'll make remarks about a film that he just didn't get, to which Ebert will generally reply, "but that was the point" and then he'll say, "yeah, well I just didn't like it." Or something along those lines. And it would really bug me because I, too, am shouting at the screen at how foolishly he takes some great movies. Maybe I just need to mute the TV when he starts talking.
Edit: Oh, and yes, I really liked that he chose Gangs of NY as the best film of 2002, even though I didn't agree with him.
I'm shocked too. I haven't seen "Kill Bill" but on Roger's site for the "Chicago Tribune", he gave it four stars. Not to shabby... in fact that he best of the best.
I just can't believe that I haven't seen "American Splendor". Geez.
Quote from: SydneyI'm shocked that Kill Bill wasn't on his list. That's certainly one of the top three movies this year. I strongly disagree with him on Master and Commander and Owning Mahoney.
What a coincidence that for the past three years, every best movie of the year has started with M. Particularly Monster and Monster's Ball.
..actually peter travers of rollingstone's top 10 list is near perfect.......even if i haven't seen all of them..i still feel it is near perfect ..if i was smart enough i would link it for everyone ..but i'm sorta computer/message board illiterate.......
Quote from: NEON MERCURY..actually peter travers of rollingstone's top 10 list is near perfect....... ..if i was smart enough i would link it for everyone ..but i'm sorta computer/message board illiterate.......
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=2476
Man, I hate that Peter Travers...
ugh
PETER WEIR DIRECTED MASTER AND COMMANDER?! now i'm angry that i didn't see it.
Ebert wrote a response about his Top 10 in his Movie Answer Man column. You can view that here :
http://www.suntimes.com/output/answ-man/sho-sunday-ebert28.html
2nd question down
Richard Roeper's Top Ten List:
10. "Seabiscuit": A tribute to the American spirit in the first half of the 20th century. Like millions of others, I loved Laura Hillenbrand's nonfiction saga of the stubborn, odd-bodied racehorse with a huge heart -- and writer-director Gary Ross did a marvelous job of compressing this epic tale with multiple story lines. Tobey Maguire, Chris Cooper and Jeff Bridges head the outstanding cast. The tone is aggressively sentimental, but the Seabiscuit legend deserves that kind of treatment.
9. "Monster": Like "Seabiscuit," this is a dramatization of a real-life American saga -- but it couldn't be more different in subject matter and tone. "Monster" is writer-director Patty Jenkins' heart-stopping interpretation of the brutal life and times of Aileen Wuornos, America's first female serial killer. (Wuornos is also the subject of two documentaries from Nick Broomfield.)
In order to capture the physical essence of Wuornos, the gorgeous, leggy, 28-year-old model-actress Charlize Theron underwent one of the most startling transformations since Robert De Niro in "Raging Bull." But Theron's work isn't about makeup and weight gain -- it's about inhabiting a terrifying killing machine but also infusing her with a dose of humanity. Even as we flinch at Wuornos' callous death spree, we understand where her rage comes from. We even feel sorry for her and the horrible world she inhabits.
Theron has turned in some capable work in mainstream fare such as "The Italian Job," but she's a revelation here in the title role. It is the performance of the year.
8. "Whale Rider": Set in a tribal village in New Zealand, Niki Caro's engrossing visual poem is an inspirational crowd-pleaser. Bearing a striking resemblance to a very young Jennifer Beals, Keisha Castle-Hughes is unforgettable as a sweet but determined young girl who believes gender shouldn't prevent her from trying to become the next leader of the Maori tribe, helmed by her old-world grandfather. The young girl's determination, and her efforts to connect with her loving but emotionally distant grandfather, are heartbreaking.
When the "Charlie's Angels" sequel came out last summer, the actresses kept insisting they'd made a film that empowered young women. Nonsense. Films such as "Whale Rider," "Bend It Like Beckham" and even mainstream American efforts such as "Freaky Friday" and "How to Deal" were the real girl-power movies of 2003.
7. "The Station Agent." A pitch-perfect slice of life, made for the film festival circuit but accessible to any smart film-lover. (That means you.) Peter Dinklage is a dwarf who is painfully aware that his size makes him something of a traveling carnival sideshow -- which is why he'd prefer to be left to himself in the remote train station he's inherited from his only friend.
Bobby Cannavale delivers one of the most winning performances of the year as the unbelievably chatty guy who runs a nearby coffee wagon, and the wonderful Patricia Clarkson completes this quirky trio as a fragile divorcee mourning a lost child. There's also a sweet romance between Dinklage and Michelle Williams from TV's "Dawson Creek." Writer-director Tom McCarthy delivers a funny, offbeat, insightful film.
6. "The Barbarian Invasions": The problem with most sequels is they simply repeat the first story, a year or two later. But wouldn't you love to see more true sequels, e.g., "The Big Chill" with all the characters now in their early 50s, or a "Diner" follow-up circa 1970? That's what happens with "The Barbarian Invasions," as Denys Arcand revisits the characters from his 1986 gem "The Decline of the American Empire."
The smug, hedonistic yuppie academics are now in late middle age and they've mellowed considerably as they reunite to say goodbye to their dying friend Remy, played by Remy Gerard. "The Barbarian Invasions" borders on wish fulfillment fantasy, albeit the darkest kind. One can only hope one's final days will be spent reconnecting with estranged family members, reminiscing with former lovers and good friends, and forging friendships with caretakers while finding comfort in the warm embrace of ultimate closure.
5. "Elephant": Like "The Barbarian Invasions," Gus Van Sant's Palm d'Or winner at Cannes is also an ensemble piece with an educational facility as a backdrop and death looming around the corner -- but there the similarities end. Working with a cast of non-actors, Van Sant zig-zags his camera through a large high school in the hours just before two students launch a Columbine-like shooting spree. We see the typical events of a high school day play out from various perspectives, with Van Sant giving us the sensation of omniscient eavesdropping.
When the shooting starts, we're left with a feeling of utter helplessness -- just as we've been when real-life shooting sprees have played out on live cable television. I've visited Columbine and I've walked the grounds, but the unsettling truth is that it seemed like any other American high school. And that's the perspective Van Sant brings to "Elephant." His film offers no easy answers, explanations or motives, because they don't exist.
4. "21 Grams": Sean Penn, Benicio Del Toro and Naomi Watts deliver memorable performances in this time-shifting jigsaw puzzle from Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu. All of their characters are trying desperately to quiet the demons of the past and maintain a tenuous grasp on stability and sanity. Del Toro has been pretty quiet since his Oscar for "Traffic," but he returns to prime form as a convict struggling to lead a straight life. The jumbled framework will challenge you -- but when everything shifts into perspective, the end result is devastating and unforgettable.
3. "Lost in Translation": Sofia Coppola's smart, sad and lovely mood piece, with Bill Murray giving the most complete performance of his career. He should be remembered come Oscar nomination time. Murray delivers a beautifully controlled piece of work as Bob Harris, a major movie star in mid-life crisis.
The sequence of Harris shooting a whiskey ad in Tokyo for big bucks is hilarious -- but we also see the resignation on Harris' face as he realizes his best days as actor are in the rear-view mirror. "Lost in Translation" perfectly captures that slightly underwater feeling you get when you're in a foreign country and everybody's trying, and usually failing, to bridge the language and culture barriers. It's also a lot sillier and funnier than the ads and most of the reviews indicate.
2. "Mystic River": Can we all agree that Clint Eastwood's career as a director is more impressive than his work as an actor? Amazingly, this is Eastwood's 24th film as a director and it's one of his best. Sean Penn will almost certainly get an Oscar nomination (and I think he should win) for his powerhouse performance as Jimmy, a convicted felon who's devastated by the murder of his teenage daughter and is fully prepared to take the murder investigation into his own hands.
Eastwood has a profound understanding of this neighborhood where old secrets die hard, and he finds room on his canvas for great performances from Penn, Tim Robbins, Kevin Bacon -- and in smaller but pivotal roles, Marcia Gay Harden and Laura Linney, who delivers a speech of Shakespearean impact near the climax. This film is worthy of multiple Oscar nominations.
1. "In America": Jim Sheridan's deeply personal "In America," based partially on his own experiences, is a film overflowing with heart-tugging splashes and revelations of deep emotional impact -- yet I never once felt manipulated by the machinery of the plot. The laughs come from moments of recognition where I identified with the characters. The tension springs from a genuine sense of mystery about what is going to happen to these people. The heartbreak is the result of heartfelt empathy for this Irish immigrant family trying to move on after the death of the youngest child.
roeper wins this year.
Yes, I'm surprised that I liked his list, and what he had to say. Especially...
Quote from: RoeperWhen the "Charlie's Angels" sequel came out last summer, the actresses kept insisting they'd made a film that empowered young women. Nonsense. Films such as "Whale Rider," "Bend It Like Beckham" and even mainstream American efforts such as "Freaky Friday" and "How to Deal" were the real girl-power movies of 2003.
Quote from: RoeperBill Murray giving the most complete performance of his career.
Quote from: Roepera film overflowing with heart-tugging splashes and revelations of deep emotional impact -- yet I never once felt manipulated by the machinery of the plot.
i really wish i knew why everybody loved mystic river so much. to me it was just alright. tim robbins was awesome, but i think sean penn was better in 21 grams... personally.
Quote from: Proeper wins this year.
He really did.
I'm surprised that none of them included LOTR:ROTK, I wonder if they honestly don't think it was at least one of the top ten of 2003.
BTW, for some strange reason they have always reminded me of these guys:
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they remind me of these guys:
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No...those guys had talent.
Quote from: mutinycoNo...those guys had talent.
Oh! Witty! ... :roll:
Roger Ebert's Top 10 Best Films of 2004
1. Million Dollar Baby
2. Kill Bill, Volume 2
3. Vera Drake
4. Spider-Man 2
5. Moolaade
6. The Aviator
7. Baadasssss
8. Sideways
9. Hotel Rwanda
10. Undertow
Top 10 Worst Films of 2004
1. Troy and Alexander (tie)
2. Christmas with the Kranks
3. The Girl Next Door
4. Dogville
5. New York Minute
6. The Grudge
7. White Chicks
8. Resident Evil : Apocalypse
9. The Whole Ten Yards
10. The Village
Full Info:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041219/ESSAYS/412190302
I was a little disappointed in some of his picks this year. I agree with him on Kill Bill Volume 2 and and Sideways being one of the best films of the year (I have yet to see The Aviator and Million Dollar Baby). But I strongly disagree with him on Dogville and The Village being one of the worst. They'll both probably be on my list of the best films of the year. Maybe he didn't like what the films were doing...but one of the worst movies of the year??? Come on, Roger...
http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=168695#168695
No, Ebert is right about "The Village". It is one of he worst movies this year. Given his freedom and box office draw, there is no reason for M. Night to churn out a stinker like that. I'm tired of the build up to a surprise ending. Show me something new. I've seen the card trick three times now.
Quote from: Small Town Lonerbut one of the worst movies of the year??? Come on, Roger...
I know, really. Surviving Christmas didn't make that list but Dogville comes in at number 4. That's just unprofessional. No matter how much he disliked it, it's plain to see there is far, far more talent put into that film than many others he has seen and could have included.
I thought Dogville was good, but I can understand him putting it on the list over something like Surviving Christmas. Surviving Christmas is something that's ultimately forgettable, while there are some movies, despite the talent put into it, that just get inside you and you inspire such rage that lasts for so long that it would rank above forgettable crap.
Dogville pushed buttons, and it obviously pushed the wrong ones for Ebert. I applaud the movie for pushing buttons, and it pushed the right buttons for me, but a movie like that will naturally produce more involved opinions. It's okay; von Trier is used to that by now. He can take it.
Quote from: matt35mmI thought Dogville was good, but I can understand him putting it on the list over something like Surviving Christmas. Surviving Christmas is something that's ultimately forgettable, while there are some movies, despite the talent put into it, that just get inside you and you inspire such rage that lasts for so long that it would rank above forgettable crap.
Dogville pushed buttons, and it obviously pushed the wrong ones for Ebert. I applaud the movie for pushing buttons, and it pushed the right buttons for me, but a movie like that will naturally produce more involved opinions. It's okay; von Trier is used to that by now. He can take it.
yeah, but....fine. Point well taken.
Roger Ebert's Top 10 Best Films of 2004
1. Million Dollar Baby
>havent seen it yet...but i doubt its that good
2. Kill Bill, Volume 2
>good..but way to high up
3. Vera Drake
>well, its leigh so cant be bad..i hope its more naked than topsy-turvy
4. Spider-Man 2
>havent seen it yet..i will wait til the 2.5 dvd..but the film is too high
5. Moolaade
>rhymes with kool-ade... :elitist:
6. The Aviator
>havent seen it yet but it looks sexy
7. Baadasssss
> :saywhat:
8. Sideways
>havent seen it but i think it deserves a higher spot
9. Hotel Rwanda
>.....................
10. Undertow
>this film is a masterpiece
Top 10 Worst Films of 2004
1. Troy
>this was ghey..but bana is cool
and Alexander (tie)
>its missunderstood[like last years in the cut]
2. Christmas with the Kranks
>agree
3. The Girl Next Door
>agree
4. Dogville
>i liked it
5. New York Minute
>eguene levy
6. The Grudge
>..........
7. White Chicks
>.........
8. Resident Evil : Apocalypse
>.................
9. The Whole Ten Yards
>...........
10. The Village
>i actaully think the stories from the old nickelodian show 'are you afriad of the dark?' are better than this film
Quote from: cinephileNeon, you've just reminded me why people shouldn't comment about lists.
What the hell happened to Eternal Sunshine?
Roeper remembered it
Ebert's lost the plot. I used to support him... but jeez...
Quote from: TictacbkWhat the hell happened to Eternal Sunshine?
It's not on the list because it's overated.
I realize something more and more about Ebert. The guy is either dead on when he reviews a movie or he's totally clueless. I want Siskel back.
The village is one of my favourite films of the year, It's hard for me to understand how so many people hate it so much. it's the the best and most beautiful film shyamalan ever did (and that's saying a whole lot).
What the hell, I walked out of Spider-Man 2 it was a shit movie I give it zero stars to infinity and like a little more
Quote from: rustinglassThe village is one of my favourite films of the year, It's hard for me to understand how so many people hate it so much. it's the the best and most beautiful film shyamalan ever did (and that's saying a whole lot).
Yay, someone else likes it. I friggin loved this movie, the cinematography, the implications, the monsters, I know people hate this movie for whatever reason, but I bought into it all.
Quote from: MyxomatosisI realize something more and more about Ebert. The guy is either dead on when he reviews a movie or he's totally clueless.
Yeah, I've always thought this. And when he gets into politics or hero worship, fugedaboudit.
Quote from: Roger EbertTop 10 Worst Films of 2004
1. Troy and Alexander (tie)
2. Christmas with the Kranks
3. The Girl Next Door
4. Dogville
5. New York Minute
6. The Grudge
7. White Chicks
8. Resident Evil : Apocalypse
9. The Whole Ten Yards
10. The Village
Any Worst Of List that doesn't include Catwoman just isn't valid...that includes Of All Time.
haha. :yabbse-thumbup:
Quote from: rustinglassThe village is one of my favourite films of the year, It's hard for me to understand how so many people hate it so much. it's the the best and most beautiful film shyamalan ever did (and that's saying a whole lot).
I hated the Village but absolutely loved Unbreakable where other people can't stand it. Really do think M. Night needs to call it quits on the card trick endings though. We're all expecting it now and even if the execution is better each time, I'm still waiting for the surprise instead of
being surprised.
Quote from: Myxomatosis
I hated the Village but absolutely loved Unbreakable where other people can't stand it. Really do think M. Night needs to call it quits on the card trick endings though. We're all expecting it now and even if the execution is better each time, I'm still waiting for the surprise instead of being surprised.
To me, the film is much much more than a surprise ending, you have to see past it, it's just one of the many tricks he uses to better tell the story. And I've got o admire his talent, the way he takes a good allegory about a nation living in fear and makes fine piece of film.
I agree