Jonathan Brandis is reported dead...

Started by Gamblour., November 19, 2003, 08:11:30 PM

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Gamblour.

#15
November 24, 2003, 02:58:48 PM
I'd say I felt pretty sad when Ritter died, I tend to have the whole Picasso (or was it Van Gogh, I always confuse those guys) syndrome, where I become more interested in someone after their dead, I guess because only then can you reflect and put their importance into perspective. As for all this comparison to children's deaths, I see the point, but I tend to just not think about all that, it's a little too grand for me. I gotta go right now, if needed, I'll explain myself later.
WWPTAD?

aclockworkjj

#16
November 24, 2003, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: godardian"Remind me never to tell you my emotional responses to sad things."
::makes mental note::: :wink:

ha, sure being upset over this guy may not be a thing one should worry about, but maybe he just needed somebody to listen to him...

SoNowThen

#17
November 24, 2003, 04:09:23 PM
Quote from: godardianI think I hurt someone's feelings over Jonathan Brandis.

This friend of mine who has an almost creepy fandom towards male teen idols such as Brandis sends me this grief-stricken e-mail about Brandis, saying "This is very sad."

I write him an e-mail back saying that I reserve no more grief for the death of actors/artists/royalty than I do for the children who die of starvation every day, and the people I know, and it's silly to get worked up over Jonathan Brandis. I wish Stanley Kubrick were still alive and making films, but I didn't know him as a person, so how can I feel anything really beyond the loss of his work? And when it comes to Brandis, there's not even really that.

I made sure to remind my friend that I would be really distraught if, say, HE were to die, or my partner, or my family, but Jonathan Brandis's death doesn't really affect me... neither did the death of Princess Di, to tell you the truth. Or even people I really love, like Billy Wilder and Stanley Kubrick and Jean Vigo. It just seems important to me to have perspective on this stuff and not get carried away, the way the media does.

Then he writes me back, saying "Remind me never to tell you my emotional responses to sad things." Then he tells me it's tragic because it was a suicide, of "hopelessness," etc, and I write him back telling him that suicide is usually a very selfish, narcissistic act, almost an act of passive-aggression, really. And on an on.

Am I completely heartless to not feel emptied out over the loss of a celebrity, and annoyed that someone could take something so trivial so personally? Am I morbid to believe that any of us could die, at any time, so that death is never really a surprise to me, whether the person's young or old? Am I selfish to care more about my own family and friends than about famous people I don't know or have any personal attachment to? Am I diminishing the famous American who died when I say they're no more important than the children who die by starvation and genocide all over the world, and if I don't cry for those children (which I don't, since it wouldn't help and I'd spend all my time crying), how in the hell can I cry for or be disturbed by the death of Jonathan Brandis?

Agreed. It's nice to see for once that you can be totally heartless like me.  :wink:

Hehe. Anyway, it doesn't usually affect me much when famous people die. However, I was pissed when Phil Hartman's wife killed him, the cunt.

And for some reason, everytime I read Baxter's Fellini biography, I cry when Fellini dies. I mean I weep. There's a feeling of incredible loss each and every time...
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When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

Gamblour.

#18
November 24, 2003, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenI cry when Fellini dies.

Thanks for ruining the ending, asshole.
WWPTAD?

modage

#19
November 24, 2003, 06:02:19 PM
so godardian, if morrissey commited suicide, it wouldnt affect you in the slightest?
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SoNowThen

#20
November 24, 2003, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: Gamblor the Manwhore
Quote from: SoNowThenI cry when Fellini dies.

Thanks for ruining the ending, asshole.

:)
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

godardian

#21
November 24, 2003, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: themodernage02so godardian, if morrissey commited suicide, it wouldnt affect you in the slightest?

You may have me on that one in a way... but still, I bet I'd not get as desperate as many of the real die-hard fans. I would definitely talk about it, and I'm sure I'd be reminiscent for a while about his work and all that it means to me, but I don't think I'd roll up in a ball and shut the blinds and stay in bed because of it, or make it more of an urgent thing than it was. For one thing, I would know that it was absolutely his choice; any drugs or external things would be very unlikely in that scenario. I try to be as mentally prepared as I can be for almost anyone to die, though, including myself. Mentally prepare, take the worst-case scenario into account, and go on with life.

All that being said, I won't be surprised if Morrissey outlasts us all.  :)
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Reinhold

#22
November 29, 2003, 11:06:30 AM
i get a little bit more upset about some celebrity deaths than others. if pta were to snuff it, i'd be pretty upset because i feel in some small way that i've gotten to know him through the thousands of times that i've seen his work. i wouldn't mourn him like he was my father... but i guess it'd be on the same level as some guy who i used to see around town all the time that got hit by a car or something like that. it's case-specific for me. that line of thought is how i justify all of those fucking aaliyah and lisa lopez vigils even though i'm not a fan. perhaps others feel that they knew them through their music or whatever.
Quote from: Pas Rap on April 23, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
Obviously what you are doing right now is called (in my upcoming book of psychology at least) validation. I think it's a normal thing to do. People will reply, say anything, and then you're gonna do what you were subconsciently thinking of doing all along.
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