Ok I know the movie isn’t out yet but I wanted to post this theory of how the trilogy will end. Maybe it’s not so much a theory but the way I would like to see it end. This is just my opinion so be warned just in case this turns out to be a spoiler.
There is a Matrix within a Matrix. It had to be this way so that the machines could raise Neo. Yes, Neo is a machine. The Machines, being designed by humans and molded from a human intellect, realize that the thing they lack is the human spirit. The only way they can achieve this advanced code is to raise a machine that thinks it is human, Neo. The Oracle is a machine and probably one of Neo’s initial programmers. She prophesied Neo to be the one because the machines know the only way that the programming of “The One” can be complete is after overcoming extreme adversity. The Machines have been well aware of Zion for ever, but only now that Neo is near completion can they finally get rid of Zion. In the end Neo will become aware of what he is and now that he has the programming of the human spirit he will be faced with the ultimate human dilemma, He must shut down both Matrixes and sacrifice himself to save the human race. This makes him the perfect machine and just as our advancement once became our demise, the machine’s advancements will become theirs.
Love to hear what you all think
Quote from: Cathartic CleansingLove to hear what you all think
I think I'll wait until Nov. 5th.
if the desert of the real is a matrix, that destroys the first film, And that's the only one I think is good so far.
rustinglass take another Look at Reloaded on DVD because you might have a change of heart
if this is going to be the official revolutions thread, can we rename it to-- "so what did you think about the matrix revolutions"? just cuz...
what am i talking about. i can do it myself.
posted September 25
Quote from: BankyMac is this gonna be the official Matrix Revolutions thread?
(in regards to
another matrix thread (hot potato)Quote from: MacguffinAfter 13 pages I would think so.
Quote from: Bankywill it be moved to now showing when the movie comes
out what about for old times "What did you think of Matrix Revolutions?"
great minds think a like
Haha, Banky, why do you have such a hardon for getting that thread to be the biggest?
read it again i messed up and had to re edit. No i was just pointing out that i also said that the new Revolutions thread should be called "What did you think of the Matrix Revolutions"
Thread title arguments aside, CC, I wholeheartedly disagree w/ your Mw/inM theory. This talk has been floating around the web for months now. Just watch the new full-length trailer for Revolutions and see what's really happening. Spoiler-swipe the hidden text for a closer guesstimate of what's going to happen...
Okay. Neo and Trinity are going to have to go to machine city (01) and make a truce of sorts (they're flying the Logos there in the trailer, and Neo stops the squiddies w/ his newfound power) w/ the machines. They both need each other-- clearly stated in the Anthony Zerbe scene in Reloaded. Smith has corrupted the whole matrix and the only way they'll be able to stop it is to jack Neo in to defeat him. My guess? Smith is assimilating Neo and they pull the plug on him.
NO SPOILERS ON THREAD UNTIL MOVIE IS RELEASED
please
IT'S A FUCKING EDUCATED GUESS FROM WHAT I SAW IN THE TRAILER. NO LEGITIMATE SPOILERS. CALM YOURSELF.
hey now, i said please. dont get all antsy in your pansty.
What's up with that kid, I forgot his name but the one in Zion that's always following Neo around? One of the animations from Animatrix was all about him. Reloaded gives him a lot of focus for his character to not go anywhere. My first thought is that he was going to be the real "The One" but I don't think so, so much anymore. I do think however that his role will be pivotal in the revolutions even though you never see him in the trailer.
Quote from: Cathartic CleansingI do think however that his role will be pivotal in the revolutions even though you never see him in the trailer.
yeah. maybe he'll, like, die (http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_img/photo_rev_oct_10.jpg) or something.
At the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
that would be an awsome ending.
Quote from: ShanghaiOrangeAt the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
Best. Ending. Ever.
Quote from: GloriaQuote from: ShanghaiOrangeAt the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
Best. Ending. Ever.
I'm going to be pissed if they don't use that ending now.
The ending will be w/ Morpheus and Niobe. You heard it here first.
Quote from: ShanghaiOrangeAt the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
pure genius. i would actually watch that film if that were actually the ending.
otherwise, yeah, the matrix is...blah.
as much of a fan as i obviously am...... The interviews the casts are giving worry me. I get the feeling that the movies will be a lot like Reloaded in the fact that it will go over the heads of the major viewing audience.
Keanu says- "What audiences make of Revolutions will depend on the amount of energy they put into it", and adds that "The script is full of cul-de-sacs and secret passageways."
i just have the feeling that critically this film probably wont be praised. Bad word of mouth kept Reloaded from going into the stratosphere of earnings. It made 270 mill with bad word of mouth. I have a feeling that Revolutions will make similar earnings. I think it will be very good but the mainstream audience will probably be turned off by it. The Wachowski's take risks by going over the average movie goers head. Regardless it will still make a ridiculos profit.
Quote from: ShanghaiOrangeAt the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
They should put that ending as an alternate for the DVD.
The Matrix Revolutions trailer...didn't get me very excited.
Quote from: Bankyas much of a fan as i obviously am...... The interviews the casts are giving worry me. I get the feeling that the movies will be a lot like Reloaded in the fact that it will go over the heads of the major viewing audience.
Keanu says- "What audiences make of Revolutions will depend on the amount of energy they put into it", and adds that "The script is full of cul-de-sacs and secret passageways."
i just have the feeling that critically this film probably wont be praised. Bad word of mouth kept Reloaded from going into the stratosphere of earnings. It made 270 mill with bad word of mouth. I have a feeling that Revolutions will make similar earnings. I think it will be very good but the mainstream audience will probably be turned off by it. The Wachowski's take risks by going over the average movie goers head. Regardless it will still make a ridiculos profit.
I totally agree. Fact is that most of the people who told me that they didnt like it was because a) they already went with a bad review on their head thinking the movie wasnt good or b) they didnt understand it, just because they didnt want to focus and try to understand how the story changed...
I do think also that Revolutions will be like this also. I think the Wachowski's already made their mark and they will come back with some other crazy idea soon. The revenue, well, they made enough money anyways and they still will make more with the DVDs and Revolutions.
Another reason of the not so amazing revenue on Reloaded was the Rated status. I dont see it with much more violence than many other PG-13 movies, but the stupid sex scene changed that and also I think the scene was too long.
This one will be Rated too, but I dont know exactly what they will put on it... but for sure is what made a difference on the audience of a movie like this, or Pirates of the Caribbean that made 300+ revenue without being a movie that many people were waiting for.
I don't care if people won't like it, in fact I know what I'll be hearing next month
the same things people said with Reloaded
choose
a) This movie doesn't make any sense, there are really cool action scenes but they talk too much! I don't like CGI.
or
b) This movie tries to be really smart but it isn't. It's another stupid action movie, thanks Hollywood. I don't like CGI.
I don't care, though.
Quote from: andykbut the stupid sex scene changed that and also I think the scene was too long.
I have to admit, on my first viewing, I kinda agreed with this (not to this extreme though), although I felt there was a story point to it. I did a 180 upon my second viewing in that I saw the artistry to it and also felt it wasn't long at all. I still believe this scene will have a significance in "Revolutions" (a baby maybe?). Plus that "Zion" track kicks ass
"To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human." - Mouse
Quote from: MacGuffinI still believe this scene will have a significance in "Revolutions" (a baby maybe?).
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Frock3%2Fon_wrighty%2Fbaby.gif&hash=ef8e52aeb2857048c736d7d56d064ac85c9bf3f9)
Quote from: MacGuffinI still believe this scene will have a significance in "Revolutions" (a baby maybe?).
i totally agree with this. i just re-watched this the other day when i got my dvd and had to stop midway through and go 'okay, there is absolutely no reason for this scene to go on like this, or to be this long without a payoff. the only way for this to make any sense whatsoever is if trinity ends up being pregnant with a little baby neo in the next one.
If shes pregnant and they say she is then she must be some sort of alien because Reloaded and Revolutions takes place within the same time frame, its not like a few months pass, and i dont think they will show a title card at the end saying 9 months later, and ta-da, a baby is in Trinitys hands
Quote from: CinephileQuote from: MacGuffinI still believe this scene will have a significance in "Revolutions" (a baby maybe?).
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Frock3%2Fon_wrighty%2Fbaby.gif&hash=ef8e52aeb2857048c736d7d56d064ac85c9bf3f9)
that pic is fucking sweet
i really liked the dance/love scene. I think it wsa needed to show thier love for each other and for you to have a connection to the inhabitants in Zion. if you dont care for the people there. Revolutions would be pointless.
i really like the song, and everyone dancing, its a good mix... but i still think it was too long... unless of course how you said it, it has something to do with a future event in Revolutions... then it will be another excellent think these guys did... we'll see
I'm very excited waiting for the release, and I have no decided not to continue making up theories and crap like that... I just want to see it and be surprised... and I have no doubt I will
FUCK! People have already seen the movie and are giving it AICN cream-worthy reviews (all 3 are extremely positive and they didn't like Reloaded, so take that for whatever it means).
Linkage: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16340
yeah this is really good. they all loved the first, were disappointed by the second, and still say this one is great. so, now my expectations are raising again...
well thats good news
lets please keep this site free of spoilers because as Revieiws start to pour out many spoilers are going to be present
Revolutions is gonna be premering in the am in the us. Nothing better than waking up and seeing Revolutions.
Quote from: andykbut the stupid sex scene changed that and also I think the scene was too long.
I couldn't disagree more. When I first saw what I now call "the dance scene", I thought it was the most brilliant, sexy, erotic, non-revealing-yet-effective bonin' I had ever seen in film.
My kid is 10. My wife and I took him to see it. I didn't have any objections. Was it rated R? I couldn't even tell you.
yea it was, but i don't think its too harsh for a 10 year old. i mean, i thought reloaded was significantly less violent and bloody than the matrix. also, i don't remember any serious cussing. not say this is a bad or a good thing, just saying.
Quote from: ©bradyea it was, but i don't think its too harsh for a 10 year old. i mean, i thought reloaded was significantly less violent and bloody than the matrix. also, i don't remember any serious cussing. not say this is a bad or a good thing, just saying.
yeah the violence is totally video game. like, bloodless. my dad took me to see robocop when i was 6. THAT shit was intense. he covered up my eyes though when robocop was having all his limbs shot off by the bad guys though. but the rest of it was great!
I just saw a scene from Revolutions.........................................whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Nov 5 9 am couldnt be farther away
which scene?
the gun fight with the guys on the ceilings
Quote from: Bankythe gun fight with the guys on the ceilings
Oh, you mean the end.
Stop it... You spoiling bitches!
This is what happens when you stop posting, RK.
Fuck you Newtron!!
That's it... I'm giving in to the power of spoilage!
I'm gonna find a copy of the bootleg Revolutions and make an animated avatar of the last scene! And I'm changing my title to Black Mamba's real name! Who's gonna help me figure out who'll win in the next Freddy VS. Whoever movie? I need it for my signature.
The fat guy and the dumb guy gave it two thumbs up, but said it was the weakest of the three movies. "Too much action, not enough of that wonderful dialogue." Gripe when there's too much dialogue, gripe when there's not enough blah blah blah
just for the record-- this will be the official thread for revolutions, so post all ur stuff in here after u see it.
Interview with Joel Silver here. (http://www.chud.com/news/nov03/nov2joel.php3) He talks about the Matrix films, the Special Edition DVD that was pulled (it will come out soon), Wonder Woman and more.
Who are the Wachowskis? From Countingdown.com.
November 3, 2003 — Ever wonder who the Wachowski Brothers are and what motivates them?... Tonight @ 8p.m.. Techtv will have a special show called Unmasking 'The Matrix' Makers, and More...
Link (http://www.techtv.com/news/shownotes/story/0,24195,3559769,00.html) to techtv site.
Quote from: MacGuffin... the Special Edition DVD that was pulled ...
There are many things that are certain in this world. Like, for instance, gravity... and all-new special edition re-release DVDs. But I'm not complaining. I'm actually pretty excited... :-D I won't have to play through that crappy game after all!
Quote from: Some Article MonkeyLord Joel: Yeah, we decided to do it now. The boys always wanted to re-transfer the first film. They weren't really happy with it. They always thought it was too light. They didn't really have the time then. They want to re-transfer 1 and they want to connect all of the scenes that they shot for the videogame with the DVD. There'll be some kind of an icon that you'll go to that go right to the scenes from the videogame that will continue and then you can go back to the movie. You'll be able to follow all of that and then do a lot of stuff that they want to do, so there'll be a big three-part next fall. That's our intention.
I pat myself on the back for not buying any matrix dvd cause i knew this would happen.
Okay, time for the (I think) first official Xixax review.
First, a recap. I loved the first one, mostly liked but entirely unimpressed by the second.
Revolutions is awesome. I dug the hell out of it and I'm willing to defend it against any detractors. There are tons of problems, and its frequently really cheesy, but I dismiss all those things because what it does right is just extraordinary and somehow all the goofy stuff ends up working pretty well. The siege on Zion...man, even if you don't care for the movie, that extended sequence will make you have trouble breathing. The whole movie is thirty minutes shorter than Reloaded, and it's a nonstop rush -- but even with so much more going on, it feels more realistic, more human. I didn't care much about anything in Reloaded, but everything here grabbed me and captivated me. The special effects are amazing, of course, but unlike the last film, I never once thought "Oh, that's a special effect." Everything works.
I won't say I love it, because I know how objectivity can take over once exihleration wears off...but I left completely satisfied.
I imagine everyone will have seen it in a week, and then we can get down to the nitty-gritty spoilerific details.
good review... i'm about to jump out the window if i dont see this movie already.. about 36 hours to go...
Quote from: Ghostboy
I imagine everyone will have seen it in a week, and then we can get down to the nitty-gritty spoilerific details.
that is fucking awsome
not to s your d GB but your one of the few on this site who will make me read a thread because it reads your name under Last Post
Hey Banky, how's GB's d taste?
a little salty
Ghostboy, think I'll like it? I'm going into this with no hope of anything good.
You'll like it more than the last one.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetGhostboy, think I'll like it? I'm going into this with no hope of anything good.
i hate when you say things like that. why go at all then? i mean, go with lowered expectations but if you are going with "NO HOPE OF
ANYTHING GOOD", why go?
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetGhostboy, think I'll like it? I'm going into this with no hope of anything good.
well, u should
never go into any movie w/ this mind frame. however, i think what gt is trying to say is that he is going to go into revolutions w/o expecting much, which i would argue at this point is virtually impossible.
Quote from: themodernage02i hate when you say things like that. why go at all then? i mean, go with lowered expectations but if you are going with "NO HOPE OF ANYTHING GOOD", why go?
Because, like the Lord of the Rings series and any Coen brother film, Matrix: Revolutions carries a significant weight to the general field of movie going for people like us. Its really a movie you have to see. If this was a sequel to a no name movie that no one was discussing, I'd skip out. I'm just keep up with general movie going, whether you end up liking the movie or not. And I never said it was already a bad movie, its just with having watched Reloaded, I don't expect anything with this one. Cbr was right in his estimates of what I meant and also showing our difference in movie going because I can expect nothing. I do understand how he expects the world with this one. He was given it with Reloaded. I wasn't. Just a difference of opinion.
Damnit Banky!
Why are you so bent on changing the title of this post? Don't you know everyone naturally searches for movie post by the title of the friggin movie?
I named it "Matrix Revolutions" for a reason
i could have sworn that the name of the movie is still in the title
and i didnt change it
probably macguffin
Quote from: Cathartic CleansingDamnit Banky!
Why are you so bent on changing the title of this post? Don't you know everyone naturally searches for movie post by the title of the friggin movie?
I named it "Matrix Revolutions" for a reason
I changed it so it was connected to this thread:
http://xixax.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1597
And I think after 5 pages, everyone here already knows this is the official thread for reviews and discussions of the friggin movie. Now apologize to Banky.
hey i was right
fuck my area for not showing this movie at the world wide viewing time
I saw this yesterday. It was a piece of shit. :(
If I falsely accused than I do apologize Banky. :oops:
However, :x I realize this is a post about a Fantasy / Sci-Fi movie, but don't separate yourself from reality so far as to think you can tell me what to do, MacFluffin. Now go to your room before you get spanked son.
Quote from: ShanghaiOrangeI saw this yesterday. It was a piece of shit. :(
Really? The reviews I have read said it's somewhat better than Reloaded. And heavens know that the online folks (Ain't It Cool, etc.) are fawning over it.
Me? I still haven't seen the original Matrix straight through, yet, so I'm just curious more than anything. The reviews of Reloaded and Revolutions make it sound like the filmmakers ran out of steam and buckled under the expectations.
Don't anyone read Ebert's review, it's really stupid.
He was right about one thing though, the first movie stimulated so many imaginations that it was impossible for the follow ups to satisfy all the dreamers. Having just seen Revolutions, I'm quite satisfied. The two things I expected took place, and it made plenty sense.
I'm glad Ebert acknowledged in his review that tons of people are going to be sending him corrections...he's definitely slightly off on his perspeptive. But he's pleasant about it.
Every single review I read seems to hold true to this theory: those that were disappointed by Reloaded seem to like Revolutions a whole lot more. And vice versa.
I thought it was good, but I dont really understand how the ending works. Well the implications of the ending I suppose. Anyways should really keep this a spoiler free zone at the moment.
Quote from: GhostboyI'm glad Ebert acknowledged in his review that tons of people are going to be sending him corrections...he's definitely slightly off on his perspeptive. But he's pleasant about it.
Every single review I read seems to hold true to this theory: those that were disappointed by Reloaded seem to like Revolutions a whole lot more. And vice versa.
My reaction to both: Eh. Not terrible, but kinda cheesy. My reaction is one more of relief than of being impressed. Yeah, they're kinda cheesy, yeah, the explosions and loud noises and big toys seem to go on and on to the point of being masturbatory, but it's not embarrassing the way so many sci-fi/action movies can be. There's more intelligence (cinematic and philosophical) here than in much that aspires to what's being aspired to.
Seems to please the goth-kid crowd a lot judging from the screening of
Revolutions I caught last night, though. I guess it's one of those things like
Star Trek that get a lot of fantasies transparently projected onto it... which I understand, but don't share.
Well, I really loved the first two movies, and as expected, I loved Revolutions too. Still kind of reeling from the whole thing and trying to come up with some cohesive thoughts.
Oh boy though, I wish there was just a Seraph movie. Love that guy (I hear there's a video game in the works dedicated solely to him, so I guess that's as close as we'll get).
The audience I saw it with was very enthusiastic. Plenty of gasps and cheers at certain moments.
I must say though, I'm kind of sad the whole thing's over... but well... I'd like to comment on the ending, but how long do we have to keep our mouths shut? I mean, it is out.
I didnt hate it... but I'm VERY VERY VERY dissapointed with the end...
I loved the ending. It was as perfect a conclusion as there could be, in my opinion.
I just got back so my thought are still a bit cluttered. I dont know what some of you wanted the ending to be but i liked it a lot. I think it was a great conclusion and it rapped things up nicely. I was also suprised at the amount of emotion it drew from me. I guess i didnt realize how much i had invested in the movie. I might go as far as too say this is the best of the trilogy but time will tell. It is definantly better than Reloaded. I can see how some might just not connect but reviews that say that it sucked are full of shit. This movie is what makes going to the movies have a purpose. I want somone to give the go ahead and start talking about the ending. Im seeing it again tonight with a friend. I need to talk about it though so once somone gives the go i say we start breaking it down.
The Wachowskis and everyone involved should be commended for putting together such a brilliant and epic series.
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i found less wrong with it than the second one, where it got increasingly harder to watch without finding more stuff that was glaringly wrong with it, (not on purpose mind you, i bought the damn thing to enjoy it!) but, still i dont know that i liked it any more than the last one. this one didnt have anything that really bothered me, but it was still kind of bland. i was surprised how little i felt for the characters as some big ones were dying. i was just totally out of it. the rain fight was fantastic and i loved the score there. so was when they stormed the club to find the Merovingian. so was monica belluccis cleavage (probably the best i've ever seen on film and so distracting i could hardly pay attention to anything else). however, i thought the zion battle went on for too too long and there were a good 20 minutes or more there with no cutaways to neo or trinity. whats up with that? hardly any of the movie even took place in the matrix. and most of the characters and crap introduced in teh last movie were hardly mentioned/revisited/followed up on in this one, so again what the hell was the point? it seemed like the wachowskis had some good ideas, but just did not have time to work everything out into 2 good scripts. i dunno, these two films are by far the biggest disappointment of the year for me. such wasted potential. and you would think that a huge budget, complete creative control and as long as you need would result in something equal or possibly better than the original? *(sigh)
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I loved that the secondary characters took such precedence, though. It made the whole story seem bigger, and gave the conflict more weight. The battle for Zion was my favorite part (I didn't think it was overly long at all, but that's just me), and I'm so glad they chose not to cut back to Neo and Trinity during that sequence. If they had, it would have been like in The Two Towers, where you were totally caught up in this amazing battle, and suddenly...cut to the talking trees.
BIG SPOILER (swipe to read): I felt nothing when Trinity died, since it was sort of like deja vu from the last film. They should have saved it for this one, and left out the resurrection at the end of Reloaded.
Quote from: GhostboyI loved the ending. It was as perfect a conclusion as there could be, in my opinion.
Yes... I mean, I thought the ending was not entirely unexpected and seemed right for the apocalyptic/messianic tone of the "Matrix mythology." Are people having a problem because Neo and Trinity are apparently sacrificed/martyred to save the world? Or is it more specific- the oracle leaving it open for a sequel? I'm not sure I understand. It's entirely possible that my assessment is incorrect and I missed something that would disappoint a more zealous fan...
Hey folks, let's be sure to label our spoilers until Friday or so. Anyone who cares about the movie will likely have seen it by then.
swipe to read with spoilers
i thought the ending was perfect. That sunset said it all, hope for the futre. And Neos line about because i choose to summed up the whole trilogy. There is such a thing as choice and the machines were not in control. why is everyone saying that the ending leaves everything unaswered. Neo sacrificed himself. The humans were freed and they must now try to live in harmony. I thought it wa spretty clear. I mean i know it is uncertain what the future holds but it still has a clear cut ending. I must admit i got a little teary when trin died. Did anyone notice how neo was laying when he died. it was like a cross.
Well this was definitely better than Reloaded, although it still doesn't come near the thrill I had of seeing the first one. I think my biggest bone to pick with the last two was that I didn't really care about any of these people. I was sort've sad with Trin, I'll admit, but overall I just left the theater feeling very....empty. The battle scenes were once again drawn out, you knew who was going to win, blah blah blah...the fight for Zion was pretty kickass though. So once again, visually the film was superior to just about anything out there, but the story and depth of character was lacking. I guess I should shut up: it is first and foremost an action flick.
Hmmm... apologies for spoilers in previous post (and thanks to whoever fixed it). Just 'cos I don't care at all about plot-spoilers doesn't mean I can't be considerate of those who do, I suppose.
This would also explain why people aren't being much more specific about their problems with the ending...
i wanna know what macguffin thinks
Quote from: themodernage02i wanna know what macguffin thinks
yeah im curious as well
For the most part i liked it, but only three parts really got me excited and thoses were the "Coatcheck" fight, the Zion Battle, and the opening of the Neo/Smith fight, it did go on kinda too long. Oh yeah, and Mero., ,that guy is hilarious, wish he had more screen time.
Time will definately tell how this one will go with everyone, with Reloaded I really didnt like it but after another viewing I understood it and enjoyed it more, so this same is probably needed for this one.
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I just didnt feel much at the ending. I mean - PEACE? How does that work? It seemed to me that the machines honoured a type of bet, where if Neo beat Smith then the war would end. Isnt this inconsistent with the mind of a machine. Shouldn't they be completely ruthless. I mean, the fact that they weren't ultimately, seemed to hinge on the discussion with the family at the train station. I cant see why they didn't just let Neo kill himself, and the carry on as normal and take Xion, or were they so dumb founded by his act of self-sacrifice. I'm not sure I understand it.
I LOVED the short flight above the clouds of the nuclear winter. Best bit.
Yes, I look forward to what MacGuffin has to be say about this too. His theories on these films have been very useful.
I also felt incredibly empty after seeing it this morning, but that may have been a side effect of seeing at 6am.... I guess the feeling I have is consistent with those great book cycles you read and then all of the sudden you read the final book and are left feeling melancholy because your marvelous little world has been barred to you.
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Anyways I guess aside from the technical beefs I would have with this conclusion, Smith taking over the entire matrix and everyone within it and yet somehow everyone being resubmerged at the triumphant conclusion (or maybe I'm wrong and everyone is dead and the Matrix rebuilt is empty); Neo not having the power to heal Trinity so that their unborn child would live thus providing some glimmer of hope after taking out thousands of sentinel missiles; and of course the Merovingian getting tooled in his own domain by Trinity and her gun, what really bummed me out is that instead of creating a whole new take on life's nature they just fell back to the hindu/buddhist concept of yugic cycles. I mean knowing that in every scenario that there is a fixed beginning: The birth of Neo, and fixed ending: The reintegration to the source of Neo, we are left with the wonderful posit that while our beginnings and endings are pre-ordained at least we have choice in the interim. Where we do not understand the availability of choice, or the choices we have made we lack freewill. I mean it is like these two Wachowskis tapped directly into my brain and secretly stole my life philosophy, so for me I felt violated that the film ended this way. I had some naive hope that perhaps, just maybe this trilogy, ridiculous as it may seem, might provide me some insight into a functional ontology. I dunno it is my own fault I suppose for putting so much hope into the trilogy so that is pretty much why I am not such a fan of this third installment. Don't get me wrong it is still a fantastic film I just can't reconcile my intellectual expectations with its actual outcome. As ludicrous as this may seem I was hoping, praying that Neo would be God, or a god and through moksha (divine epiphany) transcend the constraints of the physical and escape the kharmic cycle via samsara. I wish this film hadn't borrowed so much from Eastern religion because then I wouldn't be forced to draw comparisons. Like I said in my other post; Cinematically the film was breathtaking as per usual however conceptually I felt hollow
IMO:
The Wachamacallit brothers pulled a Lucas. :(
Listen to the dialogue: every third line is a question.
Quote from: ShanghaiOrangeIMO:
The Wachamacallit brothers pulled a Lucas. :(
That is the harshest possible criticism... but the dialogue definitely wasn't stellar. However, I saw it yesterday evening after seeing
Party Monster, the awful dialogue of which could make almost any other screenwriter's written words sound like Woody fucking Allen.
Funny how at the start they are asking where Jada and Ghost are: well, they are being the stars of the game Enter the Matrix you fool. It will certainly be very nice when they release the films with the option to go to the stories that continued in the game.
hey Anachronism, what are you talking about by saying "unborn child," whoever said that Trin was pregnant?
To redlum, I believe, who didn't understand why the machines would want peace, I suggest you watch the Animatrix.
I didn't go into the movie with any more expectation than that I would finally be seeing a conclusion, and I got that sort of. At some point during the movie, I was kind of exhausted with this whole Matrix business, and I don't think I'll be rewatching it or any of the other ones (as long as I have to pay). Seeing the real sky was fantastic, that was probably my favorite part as well. The bad dialogue in Reloaded was bad because it was cheesy, the bad dialogue in Rev. was because it was so cliche.
Not enough Persephone or Seraph...
I thought it was funny that almost everyone groaned when they saw the Architect.
I think the whole business with Band burning Neo's face was done awkardly...
I guess that's it for now, I did like the movie though.
did anyone else notice that Fishburn looked pretty fat.
Yeah, in fact, during one scene I was trying to figure out if he did Mystic River before or after this, because he seemed a little more fit in that. Maybe because he was wearing a suit.
I guess he didn't do as much training this time around.
I was thinking today about how the ending would have been even cooler if Gloria Foster hadn't died.
Quote from: GhostboyI was thinking today about how the ending would have been even cooler if Gloria Foster hadn't died.
i'll bet gloria foster would've liked that too.
the wachowskis have out done themselves. and it really can't be all put on them. think of the thousands, yes, thousands of ppl that worked on this film-- god bless them all.
i really don't know where to begin here.
well, first off, i have no complaints about the dialogue. it seems to be the major beef ppl r having. why? i actually thought there were sum really good lines (trinity: i don't have time for this shit)
the movie is sad. sad sad sad. ppl were crying during the showing i went to. neo's goodbye to morpheus, trinity's last speech i also found the movie, in particular the last half, pretty scary.
i don't know. we could go on and on about the little things later. in thinking about the big picture here, i couldn't be more pleased w/ it. few films, if any, offer what this trilogy has. few films r as exciting, thought-provoking, moving, profound, mind-boggling-- it's film history in the making folks. i'm glad i was around to see it.
Yes, I did like a lot of the dialogue, but then there's also things like
You did it!
No...we did it.
wtf is wrong w/ that?
Nothing except it redefines cliche.
You'd think a movie like the matrix would try to not have dialouge from an after-school Disney movie.
i just saw it again. I know, twice in one day, but i really liked it. I really felt emotional when Morpheus and Neo said goodbye and when Trin died. There were a few lines that made me kinda cringe ill admit but i was expecting that. All three movies have a couple of bad ones. When Niobe says thatnkyou to Neo i was speechless. Im so glad i connected with this movie and it seems like few of us really did. Cbrad does and i think we feel pretty similar. It was just fucking awsome. I agree about GF would have been better but what are you gonna do? The sunset was really a great symbol. When the little girl asks will we see Neo again and she said she thinks so i think that implies that this whole thing will happen over again eventually. What do you think about that?
spoilers in response to Banky
I don't know if I like the idea of the feud eventually getting so out of hand that it comes back to this again. You know what, I don't. I wish he was the last Neo. I know humans and machines will probably fight again later, but why would it come back to this again now that they've reached this milestone?
no i mean i dont know what she meant by it. How else would she "suspect" to see him again? I hope that it never happens again.
Quote from: ShangaiOrangeListen to the dialogue: every third line is a question.
NEO: if life becomes the matrix then we are existential before the matrix evolves
MORPHEOUS: but thou golden rage equate feelings for kinship shatterin gthe soul of modern times which canot procreate life before the macabre existense
TRINITY: but will the equilibrium via a placebo comprehend the machina?????
NEO: Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*deleted dialog from the matrix revolutions.....
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Okay, first off before my review, a little ancedote:
So, I'm in the theater, with a great center seat, and not too big of a crowd. It starts, and I get excited hearing Don Davis's score. The movie goes on and I'm into it (I think I'm the only one laughing and getting references - When The Arcitect is mentioned, The Orale says "Please" just like he said in reference to her). Anyway, the crew it getting their plan together and get into their ships. Niobe is piloting hers so quietly to not disturb the Sentinels, then she does....and then the fucking film breaks!!! Sonofabitch!!!!! We wait until they fix it, and as they do, I'm hearing "Let's just go." I'm so over The Matrix now." "It was boring." I'm not surprised since I seem to be the only true fan in there. Anyway, instead of fixing the film, they either refund us or let us see the next showing. You bet your ass I'm at the next theater because I have yet to see the attack on Zion and the Neo/Smith fight. So, on to the review:
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I really enjoyed it. I got so emotional. I knew the characters wouldn't be seeing each other, and got misty-eyed when Morpheus and Neo said goodbye. And then I lost it when Trinity passed. But this movie was a fitting end to the series and the characters. I would rank the films in order of their release, since this film was more answers to the thought-provoking questions of "Reloaded" (although I do have some theories about the little girl, Sati. I think she is the next "One" or even more powerful, since she started off having no 'purpose'. I think the ending gave her one - all the powers of The Matrix, I believe.). But I enjoyed the jaw-dropping attack on Zion, the Hell Club fight and the Neo/Smith showdown (although I was tipped off of how it would end because Smith made a huge point that The Oracle wasn't resisting). But it was the best way to balance themselves since they were opposites - Neo leapt into Smith in "The Matrix" ("Something inprinted onto me..."), and Smith into Neo for this one. I'm sure I'll think of more theroies and thoughts as more discussion comes about and as I see it again, but I was very happy and completely satisfied with a great film trilogy.
Quote from: Walrus, KookookajoobNothing except it redefines cliche.
is that an oxymoron? can one redefine cliche? or would that defeat the purpose?
of all movies for that to happen mac! u would think the movie theaters out in l.a. would have their shit together.
as for ur review:
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the movie was great. i'm very happy. and sad. happy sad.
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yeah but who cares if Sati has the power. If the war is over and everyone is free than her having power wouldnt matter.
On the Second viewing i noticed the delibrate golden cross buring through Neo's body. Pretty obvious symbolism.
I wonder where the machines took Neos body?
How about the money shot though huh!!!!!? OOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
When i think back on this film right now i get sad. the part where They go above the clouds and see the sky. Holy shit that is Trinitys moment in time. She sees how beautiful the world can be and she knows she is sacraficing herself for it. I really dont understand how i have so much emotional connection to these characters but i seriously get sad when i think of Neo and Trinitys death. I read somwhere how Neo also had his moment when he was walking in gold. He was in awe of it. Man this shit deliverd for me.
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yeah but who cares if Sati has the power. If the war is over and everyone is free than her having power wouldnt matter.
I believe she has the 'choice' to rebuild The Matrix. She is a 'free' program. The black cat might be a reference to deja vu from the first "Matrix" - "It happens when they change something".
i think the black cat is definantly a reference to the fact that the matrix changed back.
Did the oracle not say
O"What about the others"
A"What others"
O"The ones who want to get out"
Is that saying that maybe the inhabitants will be given a choice and the ones who choose to stay will live in the new "Sunrise" style Matrix?
sssssssspelr
Wait a second, what black cat?
ok 12 hours after seeing it I can make a 2nd comment with a different perspective... I couldnt stop thinking about the movie all day... I decided I will wait a couple of days until I see it again
I also didnt want to write any spoilers before, as it was still very early. Here there are some spoilers... so if you dont want them STOP READING.
I was shocked by the end... the whole movie was incredible, and in one second bam... over... Trinity dead... Neo dead... how were the machines going to free the humans? I mean... it leaves it open to imagination and its good, but it was also like shocking... after years of waiting for that moment I felt so empty...
I also felt like crying in many moments... its really hard to see how many people died, so many important ones, and the goodbye between Morpheus and Neo was absolutely incredible... you can never expect that it is finally the end between them... even more when you start remembering the moment they met.
I knew before watching the movie that Trinity was going to die... dont know why... it was meant to be... Neo had to finish this alone... I knew it for sure when she saw the real sun... once she sees that she can die in peace... the fact that Neo was blind was also very hard to accept...
I cant say much about the F/X cause thats totally incredible... the final fight between Neo and Smith with that music... man it was just incredible... and the war between sentinels and Zion was great too...
Man there are just so many things happening in this movie... THE TRAINMAN... what the hell... I though Persephone would have a more active role on this one... well... I just cant believe all the wait is over... The Matrix Trilogy is over... and also a part of our lives... as fans... and I really hope we dont see Neo or any of them again, because they would fuck it up...
There are things I still need to think... if you watch the first one and this one... man its two completely different things... and I'll watch it again soon to see what else I missed or what else I didnt like but then probably I will like...
wow
tons of new stuff at www.whatisthematrix.com
*SPOILERS*Quote from: Bankyi think the black cat is definantly a reference to the fact that the matrix changed back.
Did the oracle not say
O"What about the others"
A"What others"
O"The ones who want to get out"
Is that saying that maybe the inhabitants will be given a choice and the ones who choose to stay will live in the new "Sunrise" style Matrix?
They will be given a choice. Remember the Architect says from "Reloaded": "As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level."
Quote from: SlobhWait a second, what black cat?
When Sati wakes up on the sidewalk after the superbrawl, there is a black cat with her.
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I saw a 1pm showing yesterday. So many breath-taking moments... but overall I think the whole deal ended pretty ambiguously. How did Neo get powers in the real world? Film's answer: I dunno.
I think I liked Reloaded more... but... this film is wayyyy better than I had hoped, but it's not what I expected. I think it was much too literal after all the thoughts that Reloaded presented. EDIT: As far as the 'you get what you put in' aspect, I don't think 40 minutes of robots kicking ass in Zion especially lends the viewer to examine the spirit within... know what I mean?
You have to hand it to The Brothers. Each new Matrix film ups the ante and presents something new in the action department. And I don't feel the new fights/action takes anything away from the older stuff, whereas the saber battle in Episode I rendered all previous saber battles null and void.
I think having Neo lose eye-sight was a pretty bold choice. He looks really sweet with the blindfold. And cbrad is right. This film is very very sad, and very emotional. I can't imagine getting up and leaving in the middle. Those people that Mac talked about in his post... so ungrateful. My thoughts are still jumbled, but I'm very satisfied with Revolutions.
I guess Entertainment Weekly needs to get their shit straight, 'cause I don't believe I saw this:
Quote from: MacGuffinOne of the key scenes, Silver says, is "a 14-minute, $40 million battle scene that is the most complicated sequence ever put on film." The latest Entertainment Weekly has more on this sequence. The magazine says it's a 14-minute, low-altitude helicopter chase.
in retrospect relaoded and revolutions are really just one long movie
Quote from: MacGuffinI guess Entertainment Weekly needs to get their shit straight, 'cause I don't believe I saw this:
Quote from: MacGuffinOne of the key scenes, Silver says, is "a 14-minute, $40 million battle scene that is the most complicated sequence ever put on film." The latest Entertainment Weekly has more on this sequence. The magazine says it's a 14-minute, low-altitude helicopter chase.
i think they're referring to the ship chase. (which btw was badass, nice to see naiobe steppin up)
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and then the fucking film breaks!!! Sonofabitch!!!!!
:cry: :evil: Of all films you see and on this one happens, that theater sucked! You should sue them! :twisted:
Was it a famous LA theater?
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I would rank the films in order of their release, since this film was more answers to the thought-provoking questions of "Reloaded"
I think for me it is very hard to rank the first two, I loved so much Reloaded that it might be my favorite, but the first Matrix was so amazing as well, and with Revolutions, I was kind of dissapointed of its story, part of the dialogue and the fact that Neo didn't get things faster than 'the one' should (IMO), but the good thing about it is that left me thinking a lot, and now that is been a day since I saw it, the more I think about Rev. the more I like it.
But in all honesty Reloaded blew away so much my mind that it was hard to top it. The thing that made me like it more than Revolutions is that found Reloaded more intriguing, thought provoking and that the action sequences that took place inside the Matrix were flawless, guess I expected to see more of those scenes in Revolutions.
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*SPOILERS*
(although I do have some theories about the little girl, Sati. I think she is the next "One" or even more powerful, since she started off having no 'purpose'. I think the ending gave her one - all the powers of The Matrix, I believe.).
But shouldn't be the next 'One' human? She's a program that lives inside the 'new' matrix, I think she could be the next oracle that is going to meet the next 'One', and that's why the oracle says she might meet again Neo (the next Neo).
Quote from: MacGuffin
*SPOILERS*
But I enjoyed the jaw-dropping attack on Zion, the Hell Club fight and the Neo/Smith showdown (although I was tipped off of how it would end because Smith made a huge point that The Oracle wasn't resisting). But it was the best way to balance themselves since they were opposites - Neo leapt into Smith in "The Matrix" ("Something inprinted onto me..."), and Smith into Neo for this one. I'm sure I'll think of more theroies and thoughts as more discussion comes about and as I see it again, but I was very happy and completely satisfied with a great film trilogy.
Interesting, how did the machines gain control again of the Matrix? I know that as soon as Smith inprinted himself on Neo and since he was plugged the machines took over the matrix, but why couldn't they do that with the other humans Smith inprinted on? I guess that with Neo being the one and since he's plugged, machines somehow could exterminate the virus (Smith). Or maybe I'm just rambling here, let's see what others think of this.
Quote from: Bankyin retrospect relaoded and revolutions are really just one long movie
My main problem with the films right here ^
SPOILERS ***SWIPE IF YOU LIKE, but if you haven't seen it, what the fuck are you doing here?***
It's more like a movie and a half that they added shit to to fill it up.
The beginning of a Matrix movie is supposed to blow you away, not piss you off. I was just sitting there for the longest fucking time, waiting for something new to be revealed or a decent fight to break out. The dudes on the ceiling was cool, but not cool enough. It was just very dull until the second half...
Then the second half was amazing... The battle, the chase, the Neo/Smith fight (THAT FUCKING FIST PRINT! I SHIT MY PANTS!)
Then we get to the end, which was okay. I was like "okay, it's over, but I wasn't impressed by anything about the end... it was almost a cop out and after I left the movie, I felt like half the shit that was introduced in the second movie was really pointless because they could have reached this ending either way.
The films definately get worse as they go... I mean 1 is better than 2 is better than 3, but I still enjoyed it. If I buy it... it will probably just be to complete the collection and I probably won't watch it unless I just got done with the second.
I saw it last night and was ultimately disappointed. I think the problem with the matrix is that it just tried too hard. it started out as a movie that was a hell of an excuse to solve every problem in the universe through cool martial arts and gun battles. The first movie spent a good hour just setting up all the rules in this universe: a simulator where your mind is the limit. This frees up the filmmakers to do anything they wanted, and they already did. But then it was such a big hit that they felt the need to make it a franchise. Then it became a checklist of all the things they're supposed to include in an "epic." It coulda been a lot more entertaining if those philosophical rambling or the mythology of The Matrix weren't there. It also didn't build up/ excite the audience in the action sequences another movie like, say, Kill Bill, did. For example in the end when Neo kept on getting in those stances (with not that much of actual fighting), I know they were supposed to be like pumping up moments but it was lacking the energy and the excitement.
But the ultimate downfall of The Matrix was that it took itself too seriously without ever earning it. It expected the audience to buy into the hard-to-keep-a-straight-face sincerity, the needlessly complicated "plot" and "history", the trendy-but-not-hip inclusion of sunglasses, Dave Matthews, rave, the new Chevy, robots, swooping shots of computer-generated extras...etc.
Not that the movie was without merits. The action sequences looked like it took them a lot of time and budget (despite the fact that the actors' martial arts moves were still very sloppy on the eyes) and those machines looked detailed. They shoulda played up the strength, like the X-Men movies.
I always wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt because it's been well-publicized on how hard the crew's worked and how long everyone's spent on the project. But then I remember that it would make all its money back soon enough, and then some, so, whateva.
Just saw it. WEAK! I couldn't begin to list all of my problems here, so I won't bother. The first one felt fresh, was intriguing, exhilerating. The story flowed, you cared about the characters. All of this diminshed somewhat in relaoded. Extended philosiphizing, and pointless dialouge (and now that I've seen the 3rd, pointless characters), but all that aside, it still exhilerated.
The third abandons eveything that made the original so great, keeps the crap dialouge of the 2nd instalment, is even more melodramatic, and is ultimately, fucking boring. Not to mention really, really poorly structured.
Everything about it was unsatisfying, especially the ending.
I'm gonna spend the rest of my life watching the first one, and trying to forget the other two exist.
The Matrix Revolutions Opens to $24.3 Million
Warner Bros.' The Matrix Revolutions was released into 3,502 theaters on Wednesday and earned $24.3 million domestically. The opening marks the third-highest for a Wednesday, behind The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers ($26.2 million) and Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace ($28.5 million).
Back in May, the studio released The Matrix Reloaded on a Thursday in 3,603 theaters. The second sequel took in $37.5 million for the day. Wednesday night preview earnings of $5 million pushed that figure to $42.5 million.
Worldwide, The Matrix Revolutions collected $43.1 million from 50 countries on Wednesday.
geez louise. i wonder how much the wachowskis will get.
so anyway, who else r we waiting for here for thoughts on the film... picolaaaaaaaaas, tazy, xixax, cecil, duck sauce... anyone else that matters?
this is cool
What is the Matrix?
That's an old question. The real head-scratcher is:
When is the Matrix?
Using background culled from the three movies and "Animatrix" shorts, The Associated Press compiled an estimated timeline of the war between men and machines:
2010-60 — Humans create humanoid drone robots with Artificial Intelligence to fill jobs as construction laborers and servants.
2069 — The hovercraft transport ship Nebuchadnezzar, later to be captained by Morpheus, is constructed in the United States.
2075 — AI programs evolve and some robots began to resent their human overlords.
2077 — In the first case of a machine rising up against its owners, the butler robot B166ER slaughters two humans, leading to B166ER's eradication and a backlash against robots and artificial intelligence.
2080-85 — Rioting and violence against machines prompts robots to flee major cities and establish their own community — known as Zero One — in a remote part of the Middle East.
2085-2095— Zero One thrives, creating superior vehicles, computers and weaponry and decimating the economies of many human nations, which now lack the machine-based labor that made them strong.
2096— United Nations officials refuse to accept the robot civilization of Zero One as a sovereign nation. A trade blockade of robot goods leads to war.
2097 — Zero One survives a nuclear attack — its inhabitants are impervious to the heat and radiation and casualties are quickly replaced. Counterstrikes launched against humans.
2098 — As cities fall beneath the might of mechanized forces, desperate military leaders attempt to block the main source of energy for the robot city: the sun. The plan destroys the atmosphere and fills the sky with choking black smoke — but does not stop the machines.
2099— Machine forces overtake human armies and capture survivors and civilians for experimentation, determining that human bio-electricity can be harnessed to replace the sun's energy.
2100 — Machines create the Matrix, a dream-like world set in 1999, to extend the lives of the comatose human batteries.
2105 — The first human known as The One, locked in bondage inside the Matrix, learns he can manipulate the world through thought and manages to break free. Seeks sanctuary in the underground human stronghold of Zion.
2105-2150 — Zion resistance movement created, although The One later dies under unexplained circumstances.
2161 — Morpheus born in a Matrix womb; freed in childhood.
2167 — Trinity born in a Matrix womb; freed in early childhood.
2175 — The Oracle prophesizes that Morpheus will discover the second coming of The One.
2199 — Trinity and Morpheus discover Neo, a hacker in the Matrix. They free him and do battle with Agent Smith, a program designed to rid the Matrix of humans who detect its flaws.
2201 — The Osiris, another human rebellion ship, discovers machines drilling through the Earth above Zion. Crew members send a message through the Matrix to their compatriots shortly before being destroyed.
2201 — Now living in Zion and working with the rebellion against the machines, Neo encounters The Architect, the artificial intelligence program that created the Matrix.
2201 —The Architect reveals that the Matrix places rebellious humans in Zion, which it then targets for destruction, thus eradicating "bugs" in its system. He states that Zion has been destroyed five previous times — suggesting the Matrix may be much older than he thinks.
how is it cool?
So doesn't the last event negate the entire timeline?
The more I think about Revolutions, the more I like it. Which is exactly the opposite of my reaction to Reloaded.
QuoteI really dont understand how i have so much emotional connection to these characters but i seriously get sad when i think of Neo and Trinitys death.
Fuckin-A man, I really wish I could get emotional about this one. I envy all of you who loved this film...I'm serious.
yewah its too bad because the connection to this one is good
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i think this is during the 31st chapter of reloaded. the scene is the Architect and i figure something cool appears on one of the screens behind NEO that is "top" "3rd slot". I couldnt see anything unsual
strangely, me being not the biggest matrix fan in the world, i saw this tonight on a "what the hell" basis, and i really enjoyed it. hmm. maybe ill give the other two some rewatches.
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i think this is during the 31st chapter of reloaded. the scene is the Architect and i figure something cool appears on one of the screens behind NEO that is "top" "3rd slot". I couldnt see anything unsual
it actually has to do with the website, somehow you are to break a code that gets you into the zion mainframe or something like that, go to the websites message board. they are fighting each other to figure it out.
***spoilers
In his battle with Smith. First of all, NEO and SMITH are
the same person, when Neo killed smith in the first matrix,
part of Neo's code went into Smith and he became Neo's alter
ego, in a way. This battle between the two was to prove to
everyone that the both of them are unbeatable and that they
would fight forever, that is why Neo gives up.
Neo and Smith are the same person as i said before, Neo is
supposed to be the Good, or positive side, while Smith is
the Bad, or negative side. Since Neo gave up, Smith, who is
also the cloned Oracle, freaks out and acts all weird
because he can see the future and Neo was not supposed to
give up but continue fighting. Smith assumed he was supposed to now clone Neo, he was wrong The Smith's eventually blow up, this happens because since Neo and Smith are the same person, they cancel each other
out. Neo is Positive and Smith is Negative, think of it as 1
plus -1 equals 0, Neo knew this and this is why he gave up,
it was the only way to beat Smith.
Now since they are both dead, the machines take Neo's body
so they can use his code to restart the Matrix, like he was
supposed to do in RELOADED. This time however, since Neo
made a truse with the machines Zion would not be destroyed. When the matrix is rebuilt, the Oracle and the Architect
discuss things. She and him agree that the 1% of people that
reject the matrix will be allowed to get out and live freely
in Zion, and the other 99% who make the CHOICE to stay and
live in the matrix, can do so. This is supposed to be the
Theory of CHOICE discussed in RELOADED.
THis is supposedly a happy ending in that the people who
want to be free can be free and the war between the machines
and humans is over.
i thought this is a pretty good theory about the end, taken from another msg board.
EEz28, yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate theory. I think it's obvious that Neo has everything to do with destroying Smith, and not the machines or the Oracle. Neo somehow cancels out Smith, and the positive/negative thing is the best way I've seen it explained so far.
I'm surprised so many people didn't 'feel' for the 'new' characters during the Zion sequence. First of all, their contributions were pretty minimal compared to the overall battle, and not over-done ala Pearl Harbor (where Ben and Josh almost single-handedly save Pearl Harbor), or Episode I (Jar Jar). I thought it was done pretty tastefully, and in the end, I didn't care for them much either, but I wanted to see them beat the machines (Zee), or open the gate to the dock (The Kid). I thought the goals were defined enough so you had to care one way or another.
My only complaint with this movie, after thinking about it for a few days, is that the Zion sequence out-does the final battle between Neo and Smith (it's longer, more creative, more emotional)... and it just shouldn't be that way. I still prefer the Burly Brawl to the Holy-Crap-Whatever Brawl.
i diagree i think that the fianle battle between neo and smith was the ultimate balls to the walls and the money shot punch was un fucking believable. I dont know if i agree with the fact that all those people are going to sttay plugged into the matrix. I dont know how to explain it but i thikn the whole human race will be free.
I want to know how The oracle plans on Seeing neo agai.
QuoteI want to know how The oracle plans on Seeing neo agai.
Me too. He is DEAD after all.....
I thought it was interesting that there were no humans in the matrix at the end, only programs.
just because the didnt show any dosent mean there werent any there
Well, you're 100% right... but it's all the same to the audience. I didn't see any, so are they there? Maybe. Just an observation. I meant to say: "I didn't see any." It looks like I'm stating that they weren't there at all, which is not what I meant.
Quote from: markums2kI think it's obvious that Neo has everything to do with destroying Smith, and not the machines or the Oracle. Neo somehow cancels out Smith, and the positive/negative thing is the best way I've seen it explained so far.
If you notice The Oracle's earrings, they are ying and yang.
Quote from: BankyI want to know how The oracle plans on Seeing neo agai.
I believe she's talking about seeing "The One" again. Probably not in Keanu's 'shell', but The Architect cannot funtion the Matrix without "The One"...Or she could have told Sati what she needed to hear.
Quote from: MacGuffinIf you notice The Oracle's earrings, they are ying and yang.
What significance do you think that has? Is it a simple reference to the relationship between Neo and Smith, or do you think it points to something that Neo and the 'Oracle Smith' share?
Quote from: markums2kQuote from: MacGuffinIf you notice The Oracle's earrings, they are ying and yang.
What significance do you think that has? Is it a simple reference to the relationship between Neo and Smith, or do you think it points to something that Neo and the 'Oracle Smith' share?
I believe it's just a subtle reference to what she tells Neo about Smith being his negative/opposite. Same as the "Mobil" Avenue train station being an anagram for "Limbo". Just something in the background that unconsiously relates.
well, so I saw this film last night.
SPOILERS
Now, I must say...there were moments in the film, and overall I was entertained. Outside of that, you guys talk about being moved, etc...well I laughed with Trinity died. That scene was so drawn out, I mean "kiss me, kiss me"; give me a fuckin' break. The attack on Zion was very cool, but again I don't think the viewer had enough stock invested in the secondary characters to really care what happens to them. Fifteen minutes of screentime over 3 movies isn't enough for me to really care if you die/live. Although I'm going to compare this to a movie that I love, it is meant as an insult. I was expecting something moving, important. Instead, I got Starship Troopers. It was laughable, the difference is Starship Troopers was meant to be. I also think it is ridiculous that the whole movie is pretty straight lined everything clear and than during the finale (as they did in Reloaded) they throw some ambiguity in there. I couldn't help but feel that the ambiguity had no purpose but to attempt to answer questions that they couldn't do very well as filmmakers. The dialogue, man...it was bad. I was half expecting a line about sand and how it gets everywhere. Even the editing was pretty pour, line/cut/line/cut/line/cut; very few reaction shots. I'm sick of all the praise of the Wachowski Brothers, The Matrix was excellent, they were given unlimited budget to make 2 more movies and blew it.
SPOILERS END
If you are looking for a few hours of entertainment, go see Matrix Revolutions. If you are looking for something great, an event, something more than entertainment....look elsewhere.
MacGuffin knows, all's not just a MacGuffin.
This sorry lump of shit has a 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's fresher than it deserves.
Quote from: mutinycoThis sorry lump of shit has a 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's fresher than it deserves.
Yeah well you don't like anything so it's no wonder your site is mercifully dead.
hahahaha
I saw P is posting again. thats good to see.
Newtron, I expect I've achieved more on that site in one year than you will throughout whatever career you choose. It still won't change the fact that this film was downright incompetent.
No need to make a big deal if some people agree or disagree... some people like to jerk off thinking of Yoda and some people just like StarWars to entertain themselves... same with The Matrix... let everyone have their own opinion without criticism and without thinking that your point of view is the correct one...
I liked the movie but at first I felt empty... I though about it for many hours until I understood some final details and started to understand also why they took some decisions... you have to be in the place of the people who make the movie and see why they did such a thing and not different...
Also, everyone can talk so fast that it was crap but nobody gives an alternative or a way that it could be better... its just nonsense...
..earlier i thought the matrix trilogy is/was whack...but not any more i think it fine....and a worthy franchise/trilogy, etcc.......its good.
but I thoink what prevents it from getting the next levellis that fact that after the sucess of the first one they slapped the last two together rushing out an unfinishes/unpolished product to cash $$$$$$$$$$$ in....
they could never top the first ones's "fresh-ness"(for lack of a better word)..
If they filmakers made each one at a time I think the "critical" response to them would have been much better.....
or go with the lord of the rings way and make ALL AT ONCE.but i know that costs mad money that way to do so ....
i ;m just speculating not hating..... 8)
Quote from: mutinycoNewtron, I expect I've achieved more on that site in one year than you will throughout whatever career you choose. It still won't change the fact that this film was downright incompetent.
achieved? achieved what? the only thing u've done is mastered the art of saying stupid, annoying shit that pisses ppl off. yeah, ur good at that.
just stop.
Quote from: mutinycoNewtron, I expect I've achieved more on that site in one year than you will throughout whatever career you choose.
The same can be argued about you and the achievements of the Wachowski brothers, whether you enjoyed the movie or not. :roll:
Quote from: NEON MERCURY... but I thoink what prevents it from getting the next levellis that fact that after the sucess of the first one they slapped the last two together rushing out an unfinishes/unpolished product to cash ... in ...
An interesting point. How much better would
Revolutions be if they gave themselves a year or two to grow after
Reloaded? Would I have bitched about the wait? Hell yes... :-D
However, I would argue against the notion that
Reloaded and
Revolutions are not polished or 'complete'.
I dont think Neo died. Where is the proof that he is actually dead? Just because he is lying there does not mean he is dead. Theres a final shot with the golden vison. After he defeats Smith. trust me NEo is not dead.
Quote from: TENOCHI dont think Neo died. Where is the proof that he is actually dead? Just because he is lying there does not mean he is dead. Theres a final shot with the golden vison. After he defeats Smith. trust me NEo is not dead.
Neo is dead. "The One" isn't. Think of Neo as the 'shell' for The One. That physical form has died. The Architect explains there were other "Ones" before Neo. The orange glow is his 'soul', just like when Smith was inside Bane's body and Neo could see him. The machines are probably taking him back to The Source. If Smith is destroyed, Neo has to be to balance things out. And if you look closely at the park bench The Oracle and Sati are sitting on, it says: "In Loving Memory of Thomas Anderson" (you can also make it out at the 10:30 mark of the Preload extra of the "Reloaded" DVD; a crew member is sitting on it).
did anyone figure out what that thing on Matix.com was?
Mac what do you think happens now?
the inhabitants of Zion are freed and everyone else stays in this new Matrix?
I actually liked this. Its geek cinema, but not as annoying as Reloaded was. This is accessable more on the level of an action film. Much of the film is still lame in providing not really drama, but more an amounting of "evidence" for all the fan boys in interepting the world. But the film still has a story and in the best use of action, has an arc in which we want to see the story continue. The arc is them trying to Zion from the machines and Neo facing off with Mr. Smith for a final time. Unlike the last film, there is build up here. There really seems to me to be only two things to really discuss when criticizing this film as having done its job. It is saying whether or not the two major action sequences paid off. To the first:
It is the attack of the machines on Zion. First, the introduction of new robots that are controlled by men and their movements and exist to shoot bullets really fast, are very cool. The first sight of the robots shooting at the machines entering is insane. The good thing about this is that it is an amazing sight when seeing them all shooting from far away and the first moments of action are intense. BUT, this seems all there is in the action scene. After a little bit, the welcome of this new sight has worn its freshness and the scene continues on in supplying the same gun fights and same machines attacking the same areas. Then, we realize, we've been robbed because this is all there is. And the editing jumps so quickly from so many different vantage points of this action that there is a wish they would have slowed up it immensely. That a focus on making you care for every single machine entering and destroying things was attempted. It is not. The destruction is not only quick, but everywhere moments into the fight and by the time a few minutes has passed, you only wonder what hasn't been destroyed. A better environment of care could have been provided here.
Neo fighting Agent Smith for the last time is the best pay off of the entire film. Through out the film, I was actually missing Neo as "Superman" as he was in the second and all the great tricks he had available but only allowed to use to certain limits. It was great hearing him say, "Don't make me hurt you." because you knew that everyone in the scene believed it and had respect. Toward the end of the second film, when it got good, he was able to have some freedom in kicking ass. It is, again here as well, only at the end when he is able to kick ass. The scene pays off. Agent Smith is built up to a bad guy of respectable and equal standings with Neo and when the fight starts, it paces itself well with the kung fu fighting we already know. Unlike the first action sequence, this one is continually inventive and even surprising in a good way to how far it takes the fight. It shows everything wrong with first action sequence and makes the very long film (to me, at least) pay off in a decent way. I wasn't as involved as I was in Kill Bill, but hey, it was a good time.
*Note: I also understand Neo says, "Don't make me hurt you" in this one as well. It just isn't to the same effect, though. He is immediately laughed at by the opponent and kicked around to make the line really ineffective.
I'm not sure though I could watch this film again and enjoy it that much. It is enjoyable, but not as enjoyable as the first one. It seems to have the good traits of the first and the bad traits of the second. I just wish these films would have been more of action films for greater enjoyment. And to to give the fanboys what they wanted, they could have released some very bland novels coinsiding with the films that would have detailed this world. The films could have been the action within the world. So much of it just tries to explain as if a book. Its all too tiring and for me, kills repeat value.
Quote from: BankyMac what do you think happens now?
This here. (http://thematrixonline.warnerbros.com/)
Quote from: Bankythe inhabitants of Zion are freed and everyone else stays in this new Matrix?
Basically. Neo asked for a truce from Deus Ex Machina, the machine God.
so you are saying that the game wil continue the story not just be an online matrix game?
Quote from: Bankyso you are saying that the game wil continue the story not just be an online matrix game?
According to Entertainment Weekly:
...The most ambitious [franchise-extending projects] will be the internet-based
The Matrix Online, whose events take place in the uncertain world that immediately follows
Revolutions. The Wachowskis have committed to letting the game -- in which thousands of players can simultaneously interact with one another -- dictate the direction their created universe will take...
...The plot is closely guarded, but the Merivingian is rumored to play a prominent role.
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Hope that helps.
i have a question....
SPOILER
Since the sun is just beyond the clouds...why didn't the machines just build skyscrapers and use the sun that way? Or just set up ships up there that can relay the energy provided by the sun?
I thought showing the sun was a big plothole.
Quote from: SHAFTRi have a question....
SPOILER
Since the sun is just beyond the clouds...why didn't the machines just build skyscrapers and use the sun that way? Or just set up ships up there that can relay the energy provided by the sun?
I thought showing the sun was a big plothole.
The machines aren't solar powered. When the Sentinals are all over the Logos, Neo tells Trinity to fly upward towards the sun because that's what gets them to fall off. Also, remember in "The Matrix" when Morpheus is telling Neo about what the Matrix is, he tells him that the humans are the ones that scorched the sky. That's why the machines must use the humans as "batteries".
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: SHAFTRi have a question....
SPOILER
Since the sun is just beyond the clouds...why didn't the machines just build skyscrapers and use the sun that way? Or just set up ships up there that can relay the energy provided by the sun?
I thought showing the sun was a big plothole.
The machines aren't solar powered. When the Sentinals are all over the Logos, Neo tells Trinity to fly upward towards the sun because that's what gets them to fall off. Also, remember in "The Matrix" when Morpheus is telling Neo about what the Matrix is, he tells him that the humans are the ones that scorched the sky. That's why the machines must use the humans as "batteries".
but in "The Matrix" didn't they say the Machines used the sun as power first?
i dont understand how you can not enjoy this movie. it was such a visual feast and it was so fun. even though the story was weak as many say (i think its more cliche than weak though) it had pretty good build up in the way the story was shown. i agree with what gold trumpet said about the attack of the robots on zion . still, this scene was so trigger happy fun that how can you not enjoy it
and if your not a matrix fan i dont understand how you could be so serious about it then, and expect something knowing that you wouldnt like it and then diss it afterwards? besides its not even a hard movie to ride along with.
i feel sorry for the matrix fans though that didnt get what they were hoping for.
all in all it was an enjoyable action film, and if you found the action of the film boring then i dont know what to say.
Quote from: SHAFTRbut in "The Matrix" didn't they say the Machines used the sun as power first?
That's why the sky was scorched.
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: SHAFTRbut in "The Matrix" didn't they say the Machines used the sun as power first?
That's why the sky was scorched.
but since the sun was just above the clouds, instead of turning to humans as power, why not just still use the sun?
Quote from: SHAFTRbut since the sun was just above the clouds, instead of turning to humans as power, why not just still use the sun?
The A.I. machines (who turned on their makers) and humans were at war at that time:
MORPHEUS
We don't know who struck first. Us
or them. But we do know it was us
that scorched the sky. At the time,
they were dependent on solar power.
It was believed they would be unable
to survive without an energy source
as abundant as the sun.
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MORPHEUS
The Machines discovered a new form
of fusion. All they needed was a
small electrical charge to initiate
the reaction.
The fetus is suspended in a placenta-like husk, where its
malleable skull is already growing around the brain-jack.
MORPHEUS
The human body generates more
bioelectricity than a 120-volt
battery and over 25,000 B.T.U.'s of
body heat.
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Also, from an earlier draft:
MORPHEUS
At first all they wanted was to be
treated as equals, entitled to the
same human inalienable rights.
Whatever they were given, it was
not enough.
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: SHAFTRbut since the sun was just above the clouds, instead of turning to humans as power, why not just still use the sun?
The A.I. machines and humans were at war at that time:
MORPHEUS
We don't know who struck first. Us
or them. But we do know it was us
that scorched the sky. At the time,
they were dependent on solar power.
It was believed they would be unable
to survive without an energy source
as abundant as the sun.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MORPHEUS
The Machines discovered a new form
of fusion. All they needed was a
small electrical charge to initiate
the reaction.
The fetus is suspended in a placenta-like husk, where its
malleable skull is already growing around the brain-jack.
MORPHEUS
The human body generates more
bioelectricity than a 120-volt
battery and over 25,000 B.T.U.'s of
body heat.
so you are saying that since they were at war, it was easier for them to use humans as a source of energy rather than reaching for the sun again (since the Humans could have stopped them then as well). That makes sense.
Note: I'm not a Matrix hater like it seems to be the thing to do. I still love the original, I just don't think the 2nd & 3rd ones helped the franchise/first film out. I think it would have been better to just stick with one film.
Quote from: SHAFTRso you are saying that since they were at war, it was easier for them to use humans as a source of energy rather than reaching for the sun again (since the Humans could have stopped them then as well). That makes sense.
Not only that, the machines, because they were A.I., were becoming more human than human, sorta speak. They turned on their makers (See the edit I added to my above post). Thus, the war and the destruction of the "real world".
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: SHAFTRso you are saying that since they were at war, it was easier for them to use humans as a source of energy rather than reaching for the sun again (since the Humans could have stopped them then as well). That makes sense.
Not only that, the machines, because they were A.I., were becoming more human than human, sorta speak. They turned on their makers (See the edit I added to my above post). Thus, the war and the destruction of the "real world".
Which the Animatrix kind of explained. Gotcha.
I think I have run the Matrix Gauntlet...all 3 films (2 dvds), The Animatrix & I beat Enter the Matrix.
yeah, i need to do that too. macman, have u seen the animatrix yet? no one up in this piece has really talked about it yet, as far as i know. i'm gonna buy it soon.
The Animatrix is really great stuff. Half of the shorts are pertinent to the movies, the others are just fun extrapolations ("Beyond" being my favorite-- a glitched out spot in the Matrix creates a 'haunted house' of sorts where anything's possible). I had the good fortune to catch this on the big screen, and it was just simply amazing with the big picture and super loud sound. I really wish they woulda went limited release w/ this or something, they coulda made a few bucks.
Quote from: ©bradmacman, have u seen the animatrix yet?
Yes. Not a bad off-spring project. Great animation. Worth having for further Matrix explanations.
Quote from: ©bradno one up in this piece has really talked about it yet, as far as i know. i'm gonna buy it soon.
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I personally think the Terminator movies are better prequels to the Matrix than The Second Rennaisance on the Animatrix DVD -- it just wasn't too my taste. All of the pieces were interesting, but I'd rent it first...unless you're a completist.
i feel like a bit of a dick asking this, and im not sure if its been asked before; haven't looked through the whole thread. can someone please explain to me how neo could control shit in the 'real world'. i know it was explained, there was a bit where the oracle was saying something about how he stopped the sentinels (or however you spell it), but i didn't quite catch on and obviously its a very important part. thanks.
i will see if i can handle this one and give mac a break form the Q and A
the oracle said that the ones power goes farther than just the matrix. It extends all the way back to the source. Therefore he has the power to control thinks in both worlds because in essence, everything was created from the source.
does that help?
maybe mac could explain better
Quote from: Bankyi will see if i can handle this one and give mac a break form the Q and A
Quote from: Bankymaybe mac could explain better
Wow, Banky, that was a faster break than Shaq and Kobe.
Neo
Tell me how I separated my mind
from my body without jacking in.
Tell me how I stopped four sentinels
by thinking it. Tell me just what the
hell is happening to me.
Oracle
The power of the One extends
beyond this world. It reaches from
here all the way back to where it
came from.
Neo
Where?
Oracle
The Source. That's what you felt when
you touched those Sentinels. But you
weren't ready for it. You should be dead,
but apparently you weren't ready for that,
either.
Neo
The Architect told me that if I didn't return
to the Source, Zion would be destroyed by
midnight tonight.
Oracle
Please. You and I may not be able to see
beyond our own choices, but that man can't
see past any choices.
Quote from: Jay Pinkerton of www.pointlesswasteoftime.comMatrix Reloaded's cliffhanger ending left a lot of unanswered questions: namely, how could Neo have stopped those sentinels with his mind? Unless... the real world was a matrix too! Holy shit!
...
Luckily, this wasn't the case. After six long months of waiting, Revolutions offers up the big pay-off when Neo marches into the Oracle's kitchen and demands the answers we've been waiting to hear since Reloaded. "Why is it I can stop Machines with my mind in the real world? How come I can jack into the matrix with my mind? What the hell's going on?"
The Oracle spills the beans. "You have a connection to the Source." Then Neo kind of nods a little, and the Oracle continues to smoke, and they change the subject.
So, there it was all along. Matrix within a matrix --- pfffff. You kids. All this time, it's been as plain as the nose on your face: Neo has a connection to the Source.
The Source. A connection to it. Neo. Connected. Then they change the subject and talk about something else. The Source. Six months' wait.
If you enjoyed that, there's more. A lot more. Follow the white rabbit.
167 Days of Fan Speculation, Revisited.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/resolutions.html
Quote from: markums2kQuote from: Jay Pinkerton of www.pointlesswasteoftime.comMatrix Reloaded's cliffhanger ending left a lot of unanswered questions: namely, how could Neo have stopped those sentinels with his mind? Unless... the real world was a matrix too! Holy shit!
...
Luckily, this wasn't the case. After six long months of waiting, Revolutions offers up the big pay-off when Neo marches into the Oracle's kitchen and demands the answers we've been waiting to hear since Reloaded. "Why is it I can stop Machines with my mind in the real world? How come I can jack into the matrix with my mind? What the hell's going on?"
The Oracle spills the beans. "You have a connection to the Source." Then Neo kind of nods a little, and the Oracle continues to smoke, and they change the subject.
So, there it was all along. Matrix within a matrix --- pfffff. You kids. All this time, it's been as plain as the nose on your face: Neo has a connection to the Source.
The Source. A connection to it. Neo. Connected. Then they change the subject and talk about something else. The Source. Six months' wait.
If you enjoyed that, there's more. A lot more. Follow the white rabbit.
167 Days of Fan Speculation, Revisited.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/resolutions.html
Haha, I enjoyed that a lot. That's pretty much how I felt. We didn't really have to hear that one sentence from her, we all speculated that as soon as we saw the end of Reloaded.
picolassssss, where r u? get ur happy ass in a cab and go see it already!
Quote from: Bankyi will see if i can handle this one and give mac a break form the Q and A
the oracle said that the ones power goes farther than just the matrix. It extends all the way back to the source. Therefore he has the power to control thinks in both worlds because in essence, everything was created from the source.
does that help?
maybe mac could explain better
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: Bankyi will see if i can handle this one and give mac a break form the Q and A
Quote from: Bankymaybe mac could explain better
Wow, Banky, that was a faster break than Shaq and Kobe.
Neo
Tell me how I separated my mind
from my body without jacking in.
Tell me how I stopped four sentinels
by thinking it. Tell me just what the
hell is happening to me.
Oracle
The power of the One extends
beyond this world. It reaches from
here all the way back to where it
came from.
Neo
Where?
Oracle
The Source. That's what you felt when
you touched those Sentinels. But you
weren't ready for it. You should be dead,
but apparently you weren't ready for that,
either.
Neo
The Architect told me that if I didn't return
to the Source, Zion would be destroyed by
midnight tonight.
Oracle
Please. You and I may not be able to see
beyond our own choices, but that man can't
see past any choices.
thanks.
I was really disappointed with Reloaded, and now after seeing Revolutions I think even less of it.
They should have been one movie. About 20 minutes could be taken out of Revolutions, and at least an hour and a half could be taken out of Reloaded. It would be a perfect 3-hour movie.
What a huge improvement over the waste of Reloaded. There was some cheese, but most of it worked for me. The end was perfect.
spoilers
lots of thoughts. for you, brad, i'll make this review extra-thick.
...Revolutions (abstract to spefismic):
- filled with so many great, amazing, aaamazing things.
- also filled with so many bad things.
- my problems aren't so much with the story, or the ending, but they way in which they're presented. the script was clunky. it needed a rewrite. and i'm not just talking dialogue, here.
- i think every Matrix film (all two of them) is at its worst when you see it the first time. 01 and Reloaded get better with every view. i'm pretty certain the same thing'll happen with number 3.
- first 5 minutes were awesome. especially when seraph hangs up the phone. BAM.
- the next half hour needed some work. for the first time in the series, i went "why hasn't seraph/morpheus/trinity been shot yet?"... i had a lot of trouble suspending my disbelief with the club fight/stickup reversal and all that and for a lot of the inconsistencies throughout the entire film. (how can neo have visited the oracle moments before smith was everyone but the oracle and still see all normal, healthy people walking the streets of the matrix on the car ride there? if nobody's ever made it within 100 km of machine city, how did neo and trin do it? everyone else died. well..uhh.. okay, but somebody must've known that.. etc..) i lost some respect for the movie when the Logos was found with no explanation as to how it was lost or whatever went down there... i understand it's a part of the game, but the game was never required viewing before. just an expansion.
- the middle of the film is stupendous. "the third is about death." uhh....SHHA it is. holy fuck. everyone's about to die. you can smell it. it's like cramming before the hardest test ever written and you don't know how to read or write and you can't remember anything unless it's taught upside down and you can't stay upside down for longer than 30 seconds because you have a weird upside disorder where you get malignant tumors if you stay upside down longer than 30 seconds. that's the way it feels. dammit, it's exhilirating. there are still some problems. the dialogue, the cheese. i hated the explanations of the questions left by Reloaded. they're just too ambiguous for the precedent set by the other two films. but those're sort of drowned out by the golden moments strung all over. for example..
- the sky was magnificent. the goodbye morpheus was magnificent. the siege was magnificent. "that'd be swell" was magnificent. a lot of magnificent, here. a whole lot. i also think the smith/oracle scene and the seraph/smith scene before it reach the same kind of classic goodness as Matrix1.
- my complaint about the ending on the car ride back was "they could've done something better..." but then i listened to myself for a moment and thought.. what? i dunno.. i don't think that's really a valid complaint. and the more i think about it, the better it gets. it reminds me of the last episode of "reboot," but with an added element of sacrafice. and that's really swell.
- The Matrix stole my shot. frame for frame. the Wachowskis went through my shit and stole their shot from me. i improv-filmed this a week ago. i'm really serious.
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- more thoughts'll come later, probably..
Quote from: picolasfor the first time in the series, i went "why hasn't seraph/morpheus/trinity been shot yet?"... i had a lot of trouble suspending my disbelief with the club fight/stickup reversal and all that and for a lot of the inconsistencies throughout the entire film.
The scene I cringed at (and this was the first time I've done that in the series) was "Machines don't care how old I am." I can overlook the cheesy dialogue and cliches of some other scenes, but this
one scene in particular was both at an extreme level.
I just cannot believe all the great reviews Matrix Revolutions is getting on this board. I like to think of myself as one of the least critical members. When I left the theatre I couldn't help but imagine the disappointment and horrible reactions to the film that would be posted. I don't know if I missed something, or if the fanboys would be pleased with any Wachowski product. For a time I tried to get it through my head that Star Wars Episodes 1 & 2 were good films. I even saw Attack of the Clones three times in the theatre. I have a feeling that the build up for Reloaded and Revolutions will die down and upon subsequent viewings, everyone will come back down to Earth (those that haven't yet) and realize that the films are nothing above average (such as I did with Episodes 1 & 2).
In a sense, I'm a fanboy for doing all of the so called recommended reading for the films (The Animatrix & Enter the Matrix).
What I have been reading on here is half tempting me to see Revolutions again but I know what my first reaction was and I refuse to give more money to that film.
This isn't me bitching or complaining, but explaining my disbelief.
Is the last film in a trilogy EVER received well? I like Return of the Jedi, but lots of people hate it. I love the Last Crusade, but lots of people hate it. Just an observation. You can't please all the people all the time, but you can piss most of them off.
do you think Neos convo with Counselor Han holds more weight now because he was trying to tell Neo that Man and Machine must live in a symbiotic relationship. And so Neo makes peace not war.
Quote from: markums2kI love the Last Crusade, but lots of people hate it.
It's the best one, really.
wonderful review pickles. u should write longer posts more often.
okay, here's a beef i do have w/ the movie. whilst i luv the club scene (well, i luv the way it was shot, mixing the red w/ the green, i luv how trinity steps up- "i don't have time for this shit") i find it hard to believe that the merovingian would just give up neo like that. okay, trinity has a gun to his head. merovingian says ok, i'll give u neo. the minute she puts down the gun he could just attack her, or have one of the boys from his entourage do it. it just kinda seemed too easy, and too quick a dismissal for the merovingian, whom i thought was gonna have a bigger role in the whole thing. (although, supposedly he's going to be involved in the matrix online thing)
one more thing-- one of the best moments in the film is when neo says bye bye to morpheus. i only wish that it held there for a bit more (they shoulda hugged more) and more importantly,
morpheus doesn't say bye to trinity!!! surely he knows that trinity is probably not coming back. he doesn't even wish her luck really. i didn't get that. if i was morpheus i woulda given her a big juicy good luck kiss. i woulda even tried to touch a boob or two.
Quote from: picolas- the sky was magnificent. the goodbye morpheus was magnificent. the siege was magnificent. "that'd be swell" was magnificent. a lot of magnificent, here. a whole lot. i also think the smith/oracle scene and the seraph/smith scene before it reach the same kind of classic goodness as Matrix1.
so many magnificent moments, almost theatrical. the wachowskis are masters in this respect. anyone who didn't have goosebumps during the sky, trinity's last kiss, neo vs. agent smith... i don't know, ur not human.
EDIT: Macman, how's the soundtrack? i'm thinking of picking it up. i luv the music that plays over the end credits. is it not part of the cue during the final smith/neo battle?
It Was Inevitable, Matrix Revolutions Dominates B.O. Warner Bros.' conclusion to "The Matrix" trilogy, The Matrix Revolutions, dominated the weekend box office with an estimated $50.2 million for the three days and pulling in $85.5 million since its Wednesday debut. The Wachowski brothers film, starring Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne and Hugo Weaving, played in 3,502 for the five days in North America and averaged an impressive $14,323 from Friday-to-Sunday. The figures didn't beat May's The Matrix Reloaded, however, which made $134.2 million in four days (it opened on Thursday with Wednesday night previews) from 3,603 locations. Overseas, The Matrix Revolutions collected a big $118.6 million from 107 territories to bring its worldwide total to $204.1 million, which is on-par with studio predictions.
Quote from: ©bradEDIT: Macman, how's the soundtrack? i'm thinking of picking it up. i luv the music that plays over the end credits. is it not part of the cue during the final smith/neo battle?
It's very theatrical. Since there was only source song (the one that played in the Hel Club), it let's Don Davis show his stuff, being a bit more 'opera' like. The end credits score runs 9 minutes long and has the lyrics. It's also an enhanced CD, so it comes with a sample Matrix comic book and has a game too.
sooo... any interesting theories on Neo's "connection to the source"? it's the biggest thing i don't really understand.
something i noticed was that he's only able to see and shut down things from the machine world (eg. he cannot see that Trinity is dead..)
i have a question:
is the architect that big black thing at the end? (the voice of which is extremely chilling) and when he's in the matrix he uses the shell of that old dude?
Quote from: picolassooo... any interesting theories on Neo's "connection to the source"? it's the biggest thing i don't really understand.
What exactly don't you understand?
Quote from: MacGuffinWhat exactly don't you understand?
- how did he touch the source?
- why would the source give a One the power to disable machines? is there a purpose for this power? i mean... did the machines actually intend him to use it if he had touched the source the
right way?
- how does the power actually physically work? how can he see with light vision? how does he send signals or what have you to the machines to disable them?
there must be an explanation, a la Smith becomes more human towards the end, thus Neo becomes more machine.. but i still don't see how that would make it possible.. i guess i'm unsure most about the physical aspect of it.
Quote from: picolas- how did he touch the source?
He touched The Source when he stopped the Sentinals.
Neo
Tell me how I separated my mind
from my body without jacking in.
Tell me how I stopped four sentinels
by thinking it. Tell me just what the
hell is happening to me.
Oracle
The power of the One extends beyond
this world. It reaches from here all the
way back to where it came from.
Neo
Where?
Oracle
The Source. That's what you felt when
you touched those Sentinels. But you
weren't ready for it. You should
be dead, but apparently you weren't
ready for that, either.
Quote from: picolas- why would the source give a One the power to disable machines? is there a purpose for this power? i mean... did the machines actually intend him to use it if he had touched the source the right way?
The Source is the machine mainframe. That's why programs are supposed to return there for deletion.
Quote from: picolas- how does the power actually physically work?
Quote from: picolashow can he see with light vision?
Quote from: picolashow does he send signals or what have you to the machines to disable them?
I'm gonna try my best to lump these together, but let me know if something's not clear:
It's believed Neo has some sort of "wireless connection" to The Source. The Oracle said "the One's powers continue outside of the Matrix, it happened when you touched the Source."
And after all that, my head is has just:
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Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: picolas- how did he touch the source?
He touched The Source when he stopped the Sentinals.
yeah. i read that explanation earlier in the thread. but this only explains
when he touched the source. not how. Neo chose
not to return to the source in Reloaded by going through the Trinity door, so how could he have possibly had it both ways?
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: picolas- why would the source give a One the power to disable machines? is there a purpose for this power? i mean... did the machines actually intend him to use it if he had touched the source the right way?
The Source is the machine mainframe. That's why programs are supposed to return there for deletion.
so what he really gets is the ability to return machines to the source?
Quote from: MacGuffinIt's believed Neo has some sort of "wireless connection" to The Source. The Oracle said "the One's powers continue outside of the Matrix, it happened when you touched the Source."
okay. so does this mean the matrix has imprinted something into his brain that gives him the wireless connection/vision? when did it do this? see: my first question.
Quote from: MacGuffinAnd after all that, my head is has just:
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me tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo//!0100102@#!!@#$R.
um, no one has answered my question. what am i, a fucking mirage? :(
Quote from: ©bradis the architect that big black thing at the end? (the voice of which is extremely chilling) and when he's in the matrix he uses the shell of that old dude?
No.
well then who, or what is it? the machine world leader? if so, is he the main boss of the machines or is the architect?
Quote from: ©bradwell then who, or what is it? the machine world leader? if so, is he the main boss of the machines or is the architect?
Deus ex Machina - translated means "God of the Machines".
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: ©bradwell then who, or what is it? the machine world leader? if so, is he the main boss of the machines or is the architect?
Deus ex Machina - translated means "God of the Machines".
oooooookay, so what relation does this deus ex machina have to the architect? that's what i'm asking.
another translation is "the god machine."
this is sort of funny because dues ex machina isn't just a name, it's a storytelling device typically used in greek tragedies. the set-up is that everybody dies and nothing can be done to save anything anymore, and then at the very end of the play Zeus comes down and magically solves everything.
Right, which is funny because I don't think the Wachowski's have it all figured out and kind of rely on D.E.M. Which is only a little sad and not very surprising.
I've seen the movie for a second time and while I figured I would like it more, I actually decided that not only am I not going to buy the third one on DVD, I'm going to forget about buying the second as well.
It's sad really...
Quote from: RegularKarateRight, which is funny because I don't think the Wachowski's have it all figured out and kind of rely on D.E.M. Which is only a little sad and not very surprising.
I've seen the movie for a second time and while I figured I would like it more, I actually decided that not only am I not going to buy the third one on DVD, I'm going to forget about buying the second as well.
It's sad really...
Anyone want my Reloaded disc? I want to just imagine there was only The Matrix and the trilogy never existed.
I haven't seen the film yet; I probably will with my brothers over Thanksgiving break. I've been spoiled, though, a bit already, so I just wanted to interject about the whole Deus ex Machina thing because it strikes me just how much this is used and someone will always call it a stroke of genius. If anyone's a video game player here, they may be familiar with Xenogears, where SPOILER Deus ex Machina is taken a bit too literally, and is the final boss of the game. It's pretty comical, looking back on that one now. Anyway, I think this is proof positive, just judging from what I have heard, that the Wachowski brothers wrote a check that their asses simply couldn't cash. Like SHAFTR, I want to just remember the Matrix. The original itself wasn't an amazing masterpiece of a movie, but it was brilliant enough to be remembered in the beginning for introducing ideas that hadn't necessarily been addressed in that way before. However, thinking of great ideas isn't enough. And while the original was a truly philosophical film with the right balance of action (though it did go a bit overboard for me, and kind of got dull in the end), the others are just too much action, and pseudophilosophy which doesn't mean anything, and amounts to just words. Essentially, the Wachowskis don't know what they're talking about, and it shows. I'm going from Reloaded here, but if that is any indication, it will probably be more of the same with Revolutions. Of course, I reserve my final judgment until Thanksgiving.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI haven't seen the film yet
And you wrote this much about something you haven't seen? Don't knock it till you try it.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaEssentially, the Wachowskis don't know what they're talking about, and it shows.
And you know this... how? I scratch my head at how everyone can hold the first movie in such high regard and slam the sequels.
Since a lot of people seem to think the whole thing's a bust (and I see now, those who haven't seen it :roll: ), I pose this question:
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE WANTED INSTEAD? And don't say 'no corny dialogue,' 'less philosophy,' and the typical complaints (which by the way, I must point out-- if those are your gripes, rewatch M1, they're all there too). I'm talking story/scenes/themes etc. If this whole series has gone so wrong, where could it have gone right?
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WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE WANTED INSTEAD?
Nothing at all. The last 2 movies had no reason to exist. I didn't have any questions after the original...all Reloaded did was pose a bunch of questions that it tried to answer in Revolutions. These 2 movies had no reason to exist except to make more money.
Quote from: Weak2ndActQuote from: OnomatopoeiaI haven't seen the film yet
And you wrote this much about something you haven't seen? Don't knock it till you try it.
I said at the end that I was planning on it later, and that I was responding based on others responses, and the lackluster effort that was Reloaded. I also said I was reserving my final judgment until them, and this was a preliminary impression. Did you just happen to skim over that part?
Quote from: Weak2ndActAnd you know this... how? I scratch my head at how everyone can hold the first movie in such high regard and slam the sequels.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE WANTED INSTEAD? And don't say 'no corny dialogue,' 'less philosophy,' and the typical complaints (which by the way, I must point out-- if those are your gripes, rewatch M1, they're all there too). I'm talking story/scenes/themes etc. If this whole series has gone so wrong, where could it have gone right?
It's amusing to me that your name is Weak2ndAct, and that's essentially what Reloaded was. Revolutions aside, of course. But I jest. Seriously, I'll get back to you on what I want, considering that I haven't seen the third yet. As for now, I'd like some new insights, some answers, some sound thought, some surprises, some compelling drama, and some good storytelling. That was absent from Reloaded, which is why I'm so skeptical. I think the biggest problem I have is this Superman syndrome Neo has undertaken, which pretty much negates all battles he participates in. He can just fly away no matter how many Smiths are thrown his way.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaDid you just happen to skim over that part
No, I read this...
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI think this is proof positive, just judging from what I have heard, that the Wachowski brothers wrote a check that their asses simply couldn't cash.
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
As for now, I'd like some new insights, some answers, some sound thought, some surprises, some compelling drama, and some good storytelling.
I'd like that stuff in any movie I see. This vague response is exactly what I'm talking about.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaHe can just fly away no matter how many Smiths are thrown his way.
Well, that doesn't exactly happen in Revolutions...
Quote from: SHAFTRAnyone want my Reloaded disc? I want to just imagine there was only The Matrix and the trilogy never existed.
Wouldn't it be better to imagine the Matrix as two movies? The first one, and then Reloaded/Revolutions meshed into one movie? Two movies would be perfect, given the duality themes (Oracle/Architect, Neo/Smith, Zion/Matrix). Did the story need an extra movie just for profit?
Thats how I look at this two last movies... its like the Lord of the Rings... I cant wait until I have the Revolutions DVD so I can watch them together 8)
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanQuote from: SHAFTRAnyone want my Reloaded disc? I want to just imagine there was only The Matrix and the trilogy never existed.
Wouldn't it be better to imagine the Matrix as two movies? The first one, and then Reloaded/Revolutions meshed into one movie? Two movies would be perfect, given the duality themes (Oracle/Architect, Neo/Smith, Zion/Matrix). Did the story need an extra movie just for profit?
Two movies does work better than three but I still don't think the proposed second film makes the first one better. I didn't think anything of any importance was built on.
Quote from: SHAFTRTwo movies does work better than three but I still don't think the proposed second film makes the first one better. I didn't think anything of any importance was built on.
Well, yeah, maybe it does work better as an eternal struggle (it's certainly more inspiring), ending with Neo flying towards the sky like a post-modern superman. Maybe.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaHe can just fly away no matter how many Smiths are thrown his way.
SPOILERS
No, cause Smith can fly, and he can also enter Zion. So there.
Besides, Neo can't ignore his nemesis.
It's inevitable.
an explanation from someone else someplace else. really cool observation about Neo appearing in "
orange" at the end of Revolutions, but i disagree with the whole cookie thing. anyways..
Quote from: someone elseok heres what i came up with.... Kinda long.. Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.
But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.
So if Neo is a machine, why was he created (as all machines must have a purpose)? He was created by the Oracle and the Architect to be The One. As the Architect explains to him: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix... Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."
Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder..."). This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.
And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.
The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo's mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo's choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)
OK, so The One is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind, and was created by the Oracle and the Architect to carry out a specific purpose (form of control in and out of the Matrix) in each iteration of the Matrix. Now let's see how The One fits in with the entire story of the trilogy.
As is explained, the Matrix was created by the Architect, at the end of the war with the humans, as a way to control the humans and use them as a power source (I know, hard to believe...). The first Matrix was "... quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime.", while the second Matrix was redesigned "... to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." Basically Heaven and then Hell. In both cases, however, no conscious choice was given to the humans as to whether or not they wanted to believe in the reality of the Matrix. This caused the majority of humans to reject the Matrix and die ("... whole crops were lost.").
To solve this problem the Oracle was created, and realized correctly that the humans needed to be given a choice: "Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche... she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level." So by giving humans a choice, even at an unconscious level that only 0.1% are ever aware of, they accepted the Matrix.
Unfortunately for the machines, however, a majority of the 0.1% who were aware of the choice usually chose the real world over the Matrix. "While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster." The machines therefore also needed a way to control the 0.1% of the humans who chose the real world over the Matrix, thus Zion and The One were created.
As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.
But even with Zion and The One, the unpredictability of choice ("systemic anomoly") still forced the machines to occasionally "reload" the Matrix. This always occurs when The One reaches the Source, which he can only do after attaining the level of power necessary for him to defeat the Merovingian, obtain the Keymaker, etc. The One program is then temporarily reinserted into the Source (machine mainframe), in preparation for the next iteration of the Matrix. In the process the machines gain the knowledge and experiences of The One, allowing them to better predict the future behavior of the humans, and thus reduce the systemic anomolies.
So that is the situation at the start of the sixth iteration of the choice-Matrix. Luckily for the humans, however, the Oracle does not want them to be enslaved in the Matrix any longer, or for the freed humans to be killed. She therefore decides to take a risk and use Neo to bring about a "revolution".
In M1 (The Matrix) she meets with The One, Neo, as she has done in the five previous iterations of the Matrix. Normally she simply helps guide The One to his meeting with the Architect. Except this time the Oracle gives Neo a special cookie, which he eats. The cookie isn't actually a cookie, though, it's an upgrade to Neo's program. Since the Oracle created the The One program, she can predict exactly what Neo will do in the future, specifically how he will destroy Smith (from the inside, with some copying from Neo to Smith occuring). She therefore includes in the program upgrade code that will give Smith the ability to replicate himself, and for Neo and Smith to see the future as she does.
In M2 (The Matrix Reloaded) Neo plays out his role as The One, meeting with the Architect. However, due to his love for Trinity he chooses the left door, preventing the Matrix from reloading. This was seen in advance by the Oracle, as she has the ability to predict Neo's behavior (as explained above) as well as human behavior in general (due to the nature of her program). She therefore told Trinity that she would fall in love with Neo (in M1), all the while knowing it would eventually cause Neo to choose the left door.
In M3 (The Matrix Revolutions) the Oracle's plan comes to fruition. While the machines begin their assualt on Zion (for the sixth time), Smith continues to replicate himself throughout the Matrix. Neo, on the otherhand, is stuck in the train station. Apparently, fulfilling his mission to meet with the Architect unlocks some section of his program that allows Neo to use his enhanced implants to once again become part of the machine collective (perhaps because of the Oracle's upgrade?). He is therefore able to sense and control other machines wirelessly. The first example of this is when he stops the sentinels at the end of M2. Since he is not quite ready to use his new abilities, however, his program gets stuck at the security checkpoint of the Matrix, the train station.
In the train station Neo meets with Rama Kandra, his wife, and their daughter Sati. Rama and his wife are both machines from the real world who can jack into the Matrix, like all other machines, and live human lives. Sati is a program created by these two machines out of love, which Rama explains to Neo is not out of the grasp of the machines. They are on their way back into the Matrix to leave Sati with the Oracle for safe keeping, as any program without a purpose is deleted.
After being rescued from the train station by Trinity, Morpheus, and Seraph, Neo is helped out of the Matrix using the standard jack. While aboard the Hammer he has another vision of the future, this time of the three power lines leading from the Matrix power station to 01, the machine city (he is able to see the power lines due to his newfound connection to the machine collective). He therefore takes the Logos, along with Trinity, and leaves for 01. Along the way he confronts the stowaway Bane (who has the Smith program inside of him), and is blinded by him. Although blind, Neo is still able to see other machines (orange glow), including the Smith program inside Bane, which he uses to defeat Bane. He also uses his power to control other machines to detonate the bombs fired at the Logos by the 01 defenses.
Meanwhile Smith is replicating out of control in the Matrix, and eventually confronts the Oracle after taking over Seraph and Sati. They have a brief conversation in which he calls her "Mom", referring to the fact that she helped to create him (along with the Architect) as well as Neo (part of his program now). The Oracle then tells Smith to "Do what you came here to do.", so he takes over her as well. The newly formed Smith then stands up and laughs hysterically, foreshadowing the events at the end of the movie.
Eventually the Logos crashes in 01, but not before Neo gets a top-down view of the orange glowing city with his newfound machine-vision (notice the fractal patterns). Unfortunately Trinity is killed in the crash, and explains to Neo that both of them have been living on borrowed time. Neo since he was ressurected by Trinity, and Trinity since she was ressurected by Neo. Both are meant to die and Trinity is simply happy for the oportunity this time to tell Neo how she feels about him. (But shame on the brothers for killing off Trinity in such a lame way. Couldn't she have at least died trying to save the ship, not just letting it crash!)
Neo then leaves the Logos and enters the machine building into which it crashed (the building is seen in the same orange glowing machine-vision). He is then confronted by the Deus Ex Machina, who knows that Neo is the only one who can stop Smith from destroying the Matrix, but still shows hatred toward Neo (due to the fact that he is mostly human). After a show of force, the Deus Ex Machina agrees to peace with the humans in exchange for Neo's promise to destroy Smith. This causes the sentinels to halt their attack on the Zion temple, the last holdout of the remaining humans (the dock and city have already been destroyed).
The machines then jack Neo into the Matrix, since he has not yet masterred the ability to do so wirelessly (this theme of Neo having to learn to use his new abilities runs throughout the trilogy). Neo then confronts Smith, who says he has seen the future, and that he (the one particular Smith) is the one that defeats Neo. The other Smiths (all of the other people in the Matrix have now been taken over by him) therefore only watch as the fight begins.
After a brutal battle Neo is near defeat, but continues to fight. When asked why he does so, Neo responds "Because I choose to.", echoing the theme in M2 that "Everything begins with choice." (the only way humans achieve true freedom). But even though he delivers a stunning punch to Smith which sends him through the ground, Neo is eventually defeated. Before Smith takes him over he pauses, however, realizing that he has seen this very moment in his visions, and he already knows what he is going to say. "Everything that has a beginning has an end..." he mutters confusedly. This causes Neo to realize that the Oracle still exists somewhere inside of Smith, and that she is partially able to control his thoughts. Taking his cue from the Oracle, Neo freely gives himself to Smith.
Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith's original purpose, to defeat The One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad temperment) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and must be deleted. But since programs marked for deletion must return to the source, how is Smith to be deleted? Simple, the machines send the command through Neo, into Smith, using a burst of energy. This causes all of the Smith clones, and the original Smith, to be deleted, leaving the original inhabitants of the bodies he has taken over (this is a basic function of the agent programs, that they leave their hosts as they found them, with death being the only exception).
This then completes another revolution in the Matrix cycle, as The One has reached the Source and has reinserted the prime program (Neo's program, his knowledge and experiences). The Matrix is then reloaded back to it's initial state, the late 20th century.
The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honor the promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.
Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed
I also disagree on some details, but the overall thing is well written... good job
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Whole bunch of stuff I don't have time to read then...
Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed
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This is both dumb and boring... I think we're to the point that we're reaching for something that isn't there. The third movie didn't pay off like most people wanted so they're just searching for the hidden toy surprise. They're scraping the bottom of an empty paper bag going "I thought I ordered another cheeseburger".
Revolutions Coming Home Sooner Than We Thought?
Lackluster box office & online piracy may mean more Neo for Christmas.
When is a film that grosses $85 million in its opening weekend considered a disappointment? When you're Warner Brothers and the film is Matrix Revolutions, the third and final installment in the popular Matrix trilogy.
While the film posted the third highest opening box office total for a Wednesday open, the studio expected the film to come in at number 1. The $85 million in box office receipts from Wednesday to Sunday fell well below expectations as did the $200 million internationally. Like most films in release today, copies of the movie appeared in various Internet groups just hours after the film opened, causing more concern for the studio.
Worried that the time to make money from the franchise may be running out faster than expected, representatives for Warner Home Video contacted some of the major video retailers and rental outlets on Monday to let them know that Revolutions may be coming home a lot sooner than expected. Early January was mentioned but if the box office continues to drop at its current pace, Matrix Revolutions could hit DVD before Christmas.
Adding insult to injury, a possibility was mentioned to one video dealer that the studio may try putting together a 3-movie boxed set for Christmas if Revolutions is released in time to show up in your holiday stocking. According to one video dealer that spoke to IGN FilmForce on condition of anonymity, "Warners is afraid that Revolutions won't sell very well because of the word of mouth on the movie. The only way to make the money on sell-through is to package it with the other two." The retailer went on to say that the number of requests for the film have dropped significantly since the film's opening day.
The big test for the film will be how it fares in its second weekend, when it will be up against the Russell Crowe starrer, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, a film that has been getting extremely positive reviews and advance word of mouth.
Representatives for Warner Home Video would neither confirm nor deny the information but a source at Warners did confirm that a meeting about the DVD release for Matrix Revolutions did occur on Monday. If the film is released early to DVD, we should be hearing an announcement within weeks. Stay tuned.
oh my god. if this movie comes out before christmas that would be insane.
Releasing a movie on DVD one month after releasing it on theatres? That didnt even happen to Gigli... these people are insane...
Why the hell could that happen? You still have Pirates of the Caribbean and Finding Nemo in theatres half a year after... Two Towers was months also... and a few weeks ago I could still see Reloaded in some places...
If they do that not only would be a sign of desperation but also ruining the magic of what the trilogy means to a lot of people who did like it and even though are waiting anxiously for the DVD to come out (as I am) know that this doesnt make any sense...
I hope this doesnt happen... and they should have start looking at more reasons why this is happening to them, as the movie itself is great!
while it sounds ridiculous, i think we would all love to see Revolutions in our stockings on Christman morning.
this is ridiculous. look, i think part of the reason revolutions may not be doing as well as reloaded has to do w/ its release date. remember reloaded came out on memorial day, if i'm not mistaken. then it had pretty much all of summer to make money- summer! now, w/ revolutions, they release it on an ordinary wednesday in November. i guarantee come thanksgiving, a big movie time, the film will continue to make bank. in fact, they shoulda just waited and released it on thanksgiving weekend- that woulda been sick.
i know a ton of ppl who haven't seen it yet who want to. so there.
I'm not really a fan of the movie, but it is insane of them to want to release it next month. Its a dissapointment to some, but a major hit with others. It will continue to make money and all releasing it next month would do is tell the general public that the studios also believe this is a flop. To protect general respect of the series, they shouldn't do it.
yeah i think that these are just speculations and rumours. I think releasing in a month would be a slap in the face to the Wachowskis. Give the movie some time. It will continue to make money. Put some more marketing behind it and ride it out. As much as i want to see a dvd soon, i dont want this to happen. And you know it would be a bare bones edition with no care towards the dvd. Hasnt reloaded alone put the matrix franchise well into profit?
QuoteLike most films in release today, copies of the movie appeared in various Internet groups just hours after the film opened, causing more concern for the studio.
i love this excuse for a movie not doing as well as expected. this has NOTHING to do with any box office "failure" of revolutions. it's a cheap cop out that the studios have in their back pocket ready to use every weekend.
you know what's a good way to get people to go see your movie? make it good.
Even if they release a box set before Christmas, we all need to keep in mind that Mr. Silver said a sweet box set (with a new edition of The Matrix) was planned for next fall...
Since I need to buy the first film again, I'll be holding out for a definitive box set of all 3 films. In my opinion, it was a great ride, and I'm glad they made Reloaded and Revolutions.
I think we'll be able to judge whether or not the Wachowski Bros. knew what they were doing with these films based on the merits their next project... if they even have one... and if anyone even cares any more.
Quote from: Bankyyeah i think that these are just speculations and rumours. I think releasing in a month would be a slap in the face to the Wachowskis. Give the movie some time. It will continue to make money. Put some more marketing behind it and ride it out. As much as i want to see a dvd soon, i dont want this to happen. And you know it would be a bare bones edition with no care towards the dvd. Hasnt reloaded alone put the matrix franchise well into profit?
yeah but that's not good enough for producers anymore.
Quote from: ©bradyeah but that's not good enough for producers anymore.
Higher than that. We're talking AOL Time Warner executives, possibly board directors. They're really banking on this franchise.
This is one hell of an investment, but you gotta think it's a better investment than getting back in the stock market. So, I don't see what the complaints are either.
Althought not a fan, I had an interesting 20 minute long debate about Matrix Revolutions. He, also a film student, thought it was great. It was a fun and interesting debate.
i didn't get it. is neo dead or what? i dunno, coulda been worse, but overall...ummm, i dunno.
Box Office this past week:
""The Matrix Revolutions" sold $16.3 million in tickets, losing a stunning 66 percent of its opening audience. Its total stands at $114.2 million after 12 days."
Guess the general public didn't think too much of this one, huh..
I still don't get the logic behind why reporters are so obsessed w/ the drop-off percentage of big movies the week after they open. I mean, if you open on over 3000 screens, everyone has a chance to see it the first weekend, there's oodles of places to go. Of course there's a drop off week 2, b/c EVERYONE got to see it right away.
Of course, but as the third film of the Matrix franchise, and based on the buildup and the expectations from the first two, this is a very big dip, you must admit.
Yeah, you're probably right.
i wouldn't lose any sleep over it though, cuz they banked pretty hardcore w/ reloaded.
Quote from: ©bassi wouldn't lose any sleep over it though, cuz they banked pretty hardcore w/ reloaded.
I won't lose sleep over it because none of it is my money.
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: ©bassi wouldn't lose any sleep over it though, cuz they banked pretty hardcore w/ reloaded.
I won't lose sleep over it because none of it is my money.
yeah, that too.
let's see-
i've purchased:
matrix theater ticket: $14 (saw it twice)
matrix dvd: $17.99 (if i remember correctly)
matrix reloaded theater tickets: $14 (saw it twice)
matrix reloaded dvd: $15.99 (thank u best buy)
matrix revolutions: $14 (again, saw it twice)
matrix revolutions dvd that i will buy when it comes out: $15.99 (i would assume it would be the same price as reloaded
subtotal: $91.97- this is how much i've personally invested in this franchise. and every fan boy of the series would probably have spent that as well, if not more.
point being, i've done my part.
MAtrix Rental- $4
Matrix Purchase-$20
Matrix reloaded tickets-$23 (twice regular and once imax)
Enter The Matrix Game- $50
Matrix Reloaded DVD- $16
Matrix Revolutions tickets-$13(twice so far)
=$126
So yeah they made some bank from thier fans
I dont care about the money loss for WB but i just dont want to think the general public decides not to see Revolutions because its low box office. But fuck WB. There was almost no hype or build up for this. The average person dosent even know its out. With proper build up and timing it could have done a lot better. Its a shame to because i think Revolutions is a lot better than Reloaded. But when you think about it isnt that sad when you think "QT's 4th FILM" made a shit load less and isnt he "THE MOST INFLUENCIAL DIRECTOR OF OUR GENERATION?"
My geek-shame-list is even longer:
Matrix in theatre - $9
Matrix/Revisited 2 pack - $20
Reloaded in theatre (5 times, +1 IMAX) - $50ish
Reloaded dvd - $15
Revolutions in theatre (3 times) - $20ish
Animatrix/cd - $20
Soundtrack cds (4) - $60
Art of the Matrix book - $35
Matrix Comic Collection (w/shipping) - $25
Enter the Matrix - $50
=$304!
Would have been more if I wasn't able to score free posters and t-shirts.
Ugh, and you can easily add another 100 with the Rev. dvd and the eventual boxset. Thank god I don't have a good computer/broadband, b/c I'd surely nerd out for 'The Matrix Online' game.
Quote from: BankyThere was almost no hype or build up for this. The average person dosent even know its out. With proper build up and timing it could have done a lot better.
I agree it got no build up at all. Two weeks before this movie came out, someone had to tell me when it was actually was coming. I knew sometime in November, but had no clue it was so soon. Only like 2 days before it dropped, did I see any real promotion. WB went into this cocky as ever and thinking it would be a smash film. Hah!
Quote from: BankyIts a shame to because i think Revolutions is a lot better than Reloaded. But when you think about it isnt that sad when you think "QT's 4th FILM" made a shit load less and isnt he "THE MOST INFLUENCIAL DIRECTOR OF OUR GENERATION?"
I saw Kill Bill advertised to death. Even though it is doing business, it really has to be a dissapointment considering how commercial this was for QT and how much money Miramax threw at it. I just think they were expecting a better pay day.
Qt is the most influential director of our generation, but Star Wars is the most influential film of the last 30 years. And for me, nothing could be worse than that.
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I dont care about the money loss for WB but i just dont want to think the general public decides not to see Revolutions because its low box office. But fuck WB. There was almost no hype or build up for this. The average person dosent even know its out. With proper build up and timing it could have done a lot better. Its a shame to because i think Revolutions is a lot better than Reloaded. But when you think about it isnt that sad when you think "QT's 4th FILM" made a shit load less and isnt he "THE MOST INFLUENCIAL DIRECTOR OF OUR GENERATION?"
what pisses me off is that all anyone wants to talk about, be it the movie press or ppl in general, is how the movie is not making money. it's stupid.
Quote from: ©basswhat pisses me off is that all anyone wants to talk about, be it the movie press or ppl in general, is how the movie is not making money. it's stupid.
Exactly, and this reminds me of the end of Decade Under the Influence, where they talk about Star Wars making the media shift to box office reporting.
Quote from: Weak2ndActMatrix in theatre
Matrix dvd
Revisited dvd
Reloaded in theatre
Reloaded dvd
Revolutions in theater
Animatrix
Soundtracks all cds
Art of the Matrix book
I did/have all these, plus I have a Matrix poster, the N2 Toys action figures and the complete McFarlane Toys series 1 figures. Series 2 is just about to be released.
Quote from: MacGuffinQuote from: Weak2ndActMatrix in theatre
Matrix dvd
Revisited dvd
Reloaded in theatre
Reloaded dvd
Revolutions in theater
Animatrix
Soundtracks all cds
Art of the Matrix book
I did/have all these, plus I have a Matrix poster, the N2 Toys action figures and the complete McFarlane Toys series 1 figures. Series 2 is just about to be released.
Wow, I couldn't bring myself to buy the toys for some reason when they came out. The pics for series 2 look pretty neat.
I wish I had the set of all 8 Reloaded posters. But I do have the original theatrical and the '05.15 - Free your mind' poster. And a couple Animatrix t-shirts I snagged at a promo screening 8) --there should be a 'nerd' emoticon, I certainly deserve that.
The strange thing is-- I'm not even like a compleatist or anything, I don't ever get this bonkos about anything, and am not a sci-fi guy. But for some reason, The Matrix makes me lose all sense of self-control.
people said it had no story....storyline sux....things like that~
but when i saw it, i thought it was great!
since i major in 3D animation and visual effect in college, i was really touched by all the effects in the movie...i was stunned. every scene was just beautiful and perfect!
people who said the movie sux didn't know to apprciate the hard-work of all the visual artists.
i even heard people laughing during the serious scenes.....so retarded...
are you one of them who laughed?
i went to school for animation too, and while i appreciate well done effects in movies, they dont make up for lack of storytelling. effects will enhance a story but they dont replace it.
Personally, I thought Revolutions was terrible (and I loved The Matrix and liked Reloaded.) First off, I understand Revolutions is essentially a direct continuation of Reloaded, but couldn't they have come up with a better opening to the film? I had sat through the previews, saw the opening credits, yet still felt as if I had walked in late and missed the beginning of the film (it's hard to explain.) Secondly, the robotech shit is cool...just not for this series. I relied on the Matrix series for a blend of martial arts and acrobatics in gritty yet beautiful settings....not spaceships and robots in tunnels (again, hard to explain.) If I wanted to see that crap I'd watch Star Wars (BTW, Skywalker loses a hand, Neo loses his eyesight...discuss among yourselves.) Thirdly, the lady who played the oracle died in real life. With all due respect, they could have just replaced her without having to explain why there is a different woman playing the oracle. It's a movie...we get it...I dont think any of us were going to yell out "hey..that's not the fuckin' oracle!" Fourthly...trinity's death scene was way too long. Somebody actually yelled out "Die Already!" in the theatre and everyone in there started laughing cuz we were all thinking the same thing. Lastly...they became a bit too technical for their own good. We all know the Matrix was a sci-fi version of the story of Christ...why didn't they just stick to that premise: Neo having to sacrifice himself, being ressurected, and then sitting at the right hand of the father (the architect) all for the sake of man. The simplest solution is usually correct, and I think they needlessly got complicated. Overall, I hated this fuckin' film. The final fight between Neo and Agent Smith being the only highlight for me. I actually HOPE they make a 4th film, just for the chance of making up for the cluster F that was part 3. This is all MY OPINION, and I'm happy for those of you who enjoyed it since you didn't waste your time and money like me.
I got about halfway through your post, and I agreed with some of it...
but your avatar is so damned hypnotic!
I hate to admit it but I just now saw the movie. I haven't been on the forum cuz I didn't want to read the spoilers. So I'm sure someone has touched on this already...
I didn't give a s%#t about Morphious, Trinity or Neo. The only characters I cared about were the people fighting for Zion, and the Indian fam in the subway. They were the only ones who showed any emotion. Most of the "machines" seemed more human than the humans did. Monica, The Indian Fam, The Marolvician, even the Oracle (sp) they all had character. All the main people were just way too distant and cold (no emotion). It would have been much better if the characters got hurt more and if you saw them have pain. or just do those little thing friends do that let you know they care about each other. Neo and Trinity never seemed in love at all, yet it was geared as if there love was a strong story point. I liked the story itself for the most part. I just didn't care if the characters lived or died. I liked the intellect of the story as well, just needed more feeling.
Quote from: Cathartic CleansingI hate to admit it but I just now saw the movie. I haven't been on the forum cuz I didn't want to read the spoilers. So I'm sure someone has touched on this already...
I didn't give a s%#t about Morphious, Trinity or Neo. The only characters I cared about were the people fighting for Zion, and the Indian fam in the subway. They were the only ones who showed any emotion. Most of the "machines" seemed more human than the humans did. Monica, The Indian Fam, The Marolvician, even the Oracle (sp) they all had character. All the main people were just way too distant and cold (no emotion). It would have been much better if the characters got hurt more and if you saw them have pain. or just do those little thing friends do that let you know they care about each other. Neo and Trinity never seemed in love at all, yet it was geared as if there love was a strong story point. I liked the story itself for the most part. I just didn't care if the characters lived or died. I liked the intellect of the story as well, just needed more feeling.
dont agree on any of that... but well...
Quote from: Cathartic CleansingNeo and Trinity never seemed in love at all, yet it was geared as if there love was a strong story point.
I thought their love for one another was very well established in "Reloaded", and their hug and kiss when they reunite at Mobil Ave. reassured it.
yes hints
THE REASON FOR THE LOVE SCENE IN RELOADED
Cant believe how bad they're now doing at the box office... bad critics really killed them... Elf is making more money... and even Scary Movie 3 has made the same amount of money than Matrix...
Stupid critics... stupid people that didnt understand the film... bah
elf deserves it.
You know, I never, in any of the movies, felt an iota of chemistry between Neo and Trinity. I just accepted it and suspended my disbelief, since so much of the movies is actually riding on the love story.
The character in Zion were definitely my favorites in Revolutions...the whole siege and the focus on them during it was why I loved it. And I was glad the movie turned away from the martial arts in this one...we got plenty of that in Reloaded.
Quote from: GhostboyYou know, I never, in any of the movies, felt an iota of chemistry between Neo and Trinity. I just accepted it and suspended my disbelief, since so much of the movies is actually riding on the love story.
Thank you. I feel exactly the same way. Her dark dominatrix thing worked well in Matrix 1, and Reloaded completely screwed that up.
is this a record-breaker? does this take From Justin To Kelly?
Warner Home Video yesterday confirmed to a number of retailers that the upcoming region one release of The Matrix Revolutions will be arriving in shops from the 6th January next year. I'm afraid we have no other details on this super fast turn-around yet, although the disc is expected to retail at around $29.95.
thats really terrible
but good for me cause I'm gettin it :)
wow that is rediculous
thats less than 2 months from the day of release. is that humiliating or what? have a little self-respect matrix. atleast pretend that there is a zillion rabid fans for this film and make them wait the pre-requisite 6 months. you know?
i dont really see the hurry of the releasing doing anything except hurt the franchise. If anything the demand for the product would be higher in 6 months. This is a shame and really sucks ass. the movie still made money its not like fucking gili or something.
If WB's delusions of major failure get the dvd in my impatient mitts faster, I can't complain. I just hope there's a nice box set for next XMAS.
So The Matrix Comics finally landed on my doorstep today. Super-cool stuff. Worth checking out if WB and the W's haven't cleaned you out already.
good/bad news...
It's official... Matrix Revolutions will NOT be released in January has had been rumored. I've just heard from a representative of Warner Home Video, who explained that the DVD will, in fact, be released later in 2004. Expect an official announcement in January, but no disc.
perhaps once warner got word that it was about to break the From Justin To Kelly record, they came to their senses and went "what the hell were we thinking?!?! thanks xixax!"
great news... but I'm actually dissapointed now as I wanted to have the DVD already :roll:
Only yesterday have I seen The Matrix Revolutions. I wanted all the hype to go away. Didn't read reviews, didn't read posts in the site, didn't give a fuck about world premieres.
I really liked The Matrix, and unlike most people I liked The Matrix Reloaded better. I liked all the doubts Reloaded brought up, and I thought the Special Fx were hugely improved from the first film. Loved Neo Vs. all the agents. Loved the highway chase at the end. I really enjoyed what I saw. However, I think the story in Reloaded was constructed so we'd get the answers in Revolutions and that did not happen. Revolutions was all about the war and none about what we saw in The Matrix Reloaded. I mean, I may have missed something, but it felt short to my expectations. Plus, the fight scenes didn't really excell like the ones in Reloaded.
I wanted much more, and I think I got very little. But all in all, I think it will be a film to re-watch (along with the other two) and rethink.
I waited for all the hype etc to die down for 'Revolutions' before I saw it and was still dissapointed. It's a shame. When I think of it now I think 'That's it?!'. I found the ending to be frustratingly (and stupidly) unsatisfying, "The war's overrrrrrr!!!!!"-END. Cutting away from Morpheus and the gang to a bit with Oracle & Architect didn't cut it for me at all. END OF FILM. END OF TRILOGY. ZERO CLOSURE. What happens to the characters we've come to love? Yeah Trinity bit it what about Morpheus etc? Give us SOME sort of idea what happened to Neo. Everything was left so open, unexplained and unfinished (at least to me).
Dont get me wrong, there was some of that super-coolness from the first two: The final showdown between Neo & Smith being my fave (but I still like Reloaded's fight better). Didn't care much for the never-ending squid-war. It looked great but sooo much of the film was just that.
Overall I found the film to be too bleak. Not enough Smith and Morpheus. O I'll stop whinging. I just find it a hard film to judge. I think I want to like it more than I did. It's just a shame to see a possibly incredible trilogy fail.
the matrix joins the ranks of Indiana Jones, The Godfather, Terminator, and Scream.. as a 2 out 3 trilogy.
i can live with that.
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Which one are you speaking of? Temple of Doom?
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhich one are you speaking of? Temple of Doom?
that is correct.
Multiple retail sources have contacted The Digital Bits in the last 24 hours to say that they're being told to tentatively expect Warner's Matrix Revolutions on DVD on April 6th. No further information is available at this time, so take that for what you will.
Works for me... at least they didnt go through the dumb idea of Dec-Jan release...
the matrix 3 sucks. that all i want to say.
peace
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i really love this movie the more i think about it. it saddens me deeply that it was poorly received. i think ppl were just tired of the matrix. part of me wishes they released revolutions a year later, in the spring or something. i dunno. it's such a great series that is unjustly criticized. :(
Nah, it just kinda sucked.
I wish they would have released it not sucky, then people would like it better.
(Just messin' with you CB)
i thought u were serious for a sec, in which case i would've agreed.
no offence to u personally cb, but the more i think about it the less i like it. the structure of it, mainly, is tedious. i could never sit through those 40mins of no neo or trinity without fast fowarding. there were great parts, but they all took place in the matrix. and of course the real sun. other than that, man, months later and i still feel really disappointed with it. it's like the wachowskis forgot how to make a good movie. where are all the memorable images? there were like 2. the dialogue was incredibly weak.. and i'm not just gonna accept it cos it's sposed to be cheesy, the first two were not that cheesy. they were smart. i think when they were cutting/making this movie, the wachowskis were too interested in cross-dressing and not focusing at all on story/character/tone.
revolutions would work better as a book.
I was serious in that I think it sucked a little
mainly because of the sucky parts
the thing is, ppl tend to put certain movies on a higer pedestal that others, and they expect more from certain films/filmmakers, which i think is bullshit. you should have the same rating scale for all movies. if you think revolutions didn't live up to the expectations you had for it, okay. (even though its impossible to fulfill everyone's expectations for the trilogy) ppl are so unreasonably harsh on it. it's like the team that loses the superbowl is treated as the biggest underdog of the whole year. it's stupid; atleast they made it to the fucking superbowl in the first place!!
Quote from: ©bradppl are so unreasonably harsh on it. it's like the team that loses the superbowl is treated as the biggest underdog of the whole year. it's stupid; atleast they made it to the fucking superbowl in the first place!!
great fucking quote
um yeah well i wasn't talking about the superbowl.
the movie fails me as a movie in general. i've actually been really lenient on it cos it's a wachowski.
i'm OK with a 2-out-of-3 trilogy, as i said in the last page. there is no shame in that.
Quote from: PQuote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhich one are you speaking of? Temple of Doom?
that is correct.
Funny...
Temple of Doom is not only easily my favorite Indie.... er, Indy movie, but also easily my favorite Spielberg movie. It's got some nice pulpy juice to it.
Quote from: ©bradthe thing is, ppl tend to put certain movies on a higer pedestal that others, and they expect more from certain films/filmmakers, which i think is bullshit. you should have the same rating scale for all movies. if you think revolutions didn't live up to the expectations you had for it, okay. (even though its impossible to fulfill everyone's expectations for the trilogy) ppl are so unreasonably harsh on it. it's like the team that loses the superbowl is treated as the biggest underdog of the whole year. it's stupid; atleast they made it to the fucking superbowl in the first place!!
but as part of a trilogy, it should be at least on-par with the rest, therefore creating the expectation and the hyping it up is only the normal thing to do. It's like a movie that starts out great and ends shitty (like snake eyes for example), you're going to notice the shift in tone and shift in quality, and just because a team makes it to the superbowl doesn't mean it can't suck on the night of the big game.
if a movie is good, then obviously you expect the same combination of filmmakers and actors to be good again. THEY're the ones that create the hype, they're the ones that hope the audience will expect more, and they're the ones TELLING the audience to expect more, thus the huge cliff hanger at the end of the second movie (and the second movie is essentially a huge trailer for the third one). So criticizing the people who dislike it because it failed their expectation, but not the filmmakers themselves, is foolish.
But all that was just for argument's sake, I didn't even think the third one was good just a movie by itself.
Matrix Box Set Planned
So says Joel Silver in an interview.
Source: IGN DVD
December 23, 2003 - The Matrix producer Joel Silver has answered one of the most common questions: will there be a box set for The Matrix series? The answer is yes.
In the December 2003 issue of DVD Etc., on newsstands now, Silver discusses the film, among other things, and says the following:
We're planning to do staggering things with it in the future. There will be a box set of all three 'Matrix' films.
When asked about special features, he said it was being decided, and added that he would like to do another transfer of the first Matrix film.
He didn't give any time frame for this. So there you have it, a little gift of news from Joel Silver.
Quote from: MacGuffin... Silver discusses the film ... says the following:
We're planning to do staggering things with it in the future. ...
This guy always talks up the Matrix like no tomorrow. 'Staggering things'? :roll: Will someone please tell him that the trilogy is over?
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Title: Matrix Revolutions
Released: 6th April 2004
SRP: $29.95
Further Details
Warner Home Video have kindly sent over all the details on the region one release of Matrix Revolutions which stars Keanu Reaves, Carrie-Anne Moss and Laurence Fishburne. This two disc release will be available to own from the 6th April this year in seperate anamorphic widescreen and full screen editions. Each of these should set you back somewhere in the region of $29.95. The full disc specs for the widescreen edition are attached below along with an exclusive first look at the region one artwork for both releases. We'll bring you menu shots etc as soon as they become available to us. Stay tuned.
-2.40:1 Anamorphic Widescreen Presentation
-English Dolby Digital 5.1 Track
-English Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo Track
-French Dolby Digital 5.1 Track
-Matrix Recalibrated (Making Of) Documentary
- Neo Realism: The Evolution of Bullet Time
-CG Revolution (Effects) Documentary
- Super Big Mini-Models Segment
-Super Burly Brawl Featurette
- Double Agent Smith Segment
- Mind Over Matter: The Physicality of The Matrix
-Before the Revolution 3D Timeline
-Future Gamer: The Matrix Online (Game) Feature
-Multidimensional Stills Gallery
-Matrix Revolutions Theatrical Trailer
-DVD-ROM Features: Weblink & Matrix Test
-English, French, Spanish Subtitles
is it me or this cover art is un-cool?
Quote from: chuckhimselfois it me or this cover art is un-cool?
its not you, (and not in a cameron crowe way). it seems very very lazily thrown together.
it's not the propper time to say this but i disliked the matrix revolutions very much, and still, i wasn't dissapointed. the key was going with low expectations.
i'll ilustrate my point with the help of maddox:
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That cover art might not stay. "Reloaded" had different covers before they settled on 'the one' that's out now.
i kinda like it.
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WORTH THE PRICE OF THE DISCS ALONE! HOLY SHIT, JOEL SILVER!
MULTIPLE dimensions! no longer will we be faced with the unreleting banality of our current, routine three dimensions!!! so simple, and yet so mindfuckingly awesome! these new dimensions are going to open up a whole new dimension, especially to those already trapped inside them through time travel-mishap or vortex-related injuries! PUT ME DOWN FOR FORTY!
Quote from: jenniferconnollasisgodMULTIPLE dimensions! no longer will we be faced with the unreleting banality of our current, routine three dimensions!!! so simple, and yet so mindfuckingly awesome! these new dimensions are going to open up a whole new dimension, especially to those already trapped inside them through time travel-mishap or vortex-related injuries! PUT ME DOWN FOR FORTY!
Unfortunately, you see eveything like this:
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sweet! no more light bulbs (or pesky light bulb repair men) for me!
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ha, cbrad, ur unconditional love for the matrix trilogy is so precious.
Someone actually saw this movie?
Quote from: 82Someone actually saw this movie?
Over $400 million worldwide. Ninth highest grossing film in North America for 2003.
Quote from: Find Your MacGuffaliQuote from: 82Someone actually saw this movie?
Over $400 worldwide. Ninth highest grossing film in North America for 2003.
wow.. $400 against a $110,000,000 budget
ouch!
Someone's fired
$400 million is over $400, so no one is fired.
Quote from: Find Your MacGuffali$400 million is over $400, so no is fired.
Fuck.. I liked, no.
Quote from: 82Fuck.. I liked, no.
My name is not 'no'. And what did you like?
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenWow. That was pointless.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenOh the misunderstandings that have occurred here.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenPretty interesting observation.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenThanks for the welcome. I could really go for a pancake. Damn, I'm hungry
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenThis is getting old.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenOh. Wait, we're through with that?
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenCan I get a "hell yeah"?!
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenThere ya go, Mac. That's a man's man!
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenIf I did say that, I've changed my mind.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenIs this some sort of Swedish thing?
Quote from: Gambloren das Manhörenimmerse yourself, it gets you in the mood, like foreplay.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenIncredibly prophetic
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenIf I'm too quick about this whole thing, it's like warping too far ahead in Super Mario and you don't really fall in love with the game or learn to appreciate every level. Haha, that's an amazing analogy, if I may toot my own horn for a second.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenHahahahahahahahah
Ahh that was good. *wipes tear
Don't think I've laughed out loud literally on Xixax before, hehe.
Quote from: Gambloren das Manhören...I'm cold and frightened. *leaves chat room*
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenThis is something I've thought about for a long time, how people try to establish a "voice" on the internet, either in forums or on IM or whatever. By voice, I mean the way that when you read something somebody types, you hear it in your head and it makes sense, so that you know exactly what they mean. Is this making any sense so far?
On forums, I think that's why there are so many arguments (not here specifically), people type their thoughts and that's that. I had a realization that words are a lot more powerful than speech because they stand as they are and don't back track. Somebody might say something benign, but because of a word choice, it gets picked apart by someone as being negative, or whatever. Misconstrued.
I have a friend who refuses to use programs like AIM because he says it degrades the concept of language and it loses meaning. I kinda agree, but it's pretty handy.
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Raging Bull had a better slow motion punch to the face. And it didn't cost millions of dollar to create either. :(
Quote from: Gambloren das Manhören...I didn't want Orange to feel bad. Plus, it's a great tint of orange.
Quote from: Gambloren das ManhörenGreen sail boats
it's been done. (better)
For the very few who still care...
DVD review for revolutions (it's region 4, but the features are the same):
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=2&c=988
Plenty 'o' extras, good that they're giving us some scraps before the eventual boxset.
DVD Answers just received word that work has already begun on material for the upcoming Matrix boxed set. While it’s still too early to speculate about the exact contents of the set, we do know that it will include “detailed documentaries on the philosophy and science behind the Matrix scripts as well as a look at the history of action cinema.” Apparently we can also expect a “densely layered documentary package estimated at nine total hours using footage that has not been seen in the other Matrix releases.” No word yet as to the level of involvement from the Wachowski brothers, but hopefully we’ll get commentary tracks at the very least.
I'm really looking forward to this... I think it will be cool... something like Revisited maybe...
I'm anxious to see the Matrix Online too
i'm not buying into it. not at all. i MIGHT get the revolutions dvd... maybe. what's the point of spending money for dvd features that i'll watch once (or probably not at all)? it's bullshit. i've gone my whole life w/o having the SPECIAL EDITION matrix. i think i'll be fine w/o them for the rest of my life. same thing for that fucking alien quadrilogy boxed set. when the fuck am i going to even watch alien3 or alien resurrection? such a waste of money to have even gotten the legacy boxed set. IT'S SHIT PEOPLE! FUCK CORPORATE AMERICA!
Yeah that pisses me of too. They should at least let you trade in your old version of dvds for the new version. it's crappy. It wasn't always like this, it wasn't until soccer moms and van damme fans started realizing they didnt have to watch the whole movies and could skip to their favorite scene easier that dvd turned the way it is now.
I agree on that... whats the point of having the same movie several times only to get the extras and the nice box set... you should be able to get a refund or something for the old vesion and get the new one... if you were a loyal fan who already paid money to own it why should your shit be devaluated now with the new shit
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Impatience? I'm certainly guilty. I know there's gonna be a box out by XMAS, but I have the mentality of a 12 year old and it must be MINE MINE MINE NOW NOW NOW.
sigh...21 Grams
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Impatience? I'm certainly guilty. I know there's gonna be a box out by XMAS, but I have the mentality of a 12 year old and it must be MINE MINE MINE NOW NOW NOW.
true... its what happens with the damn LOTR dvds... but in the Matrix case... I own the first movie for like 3 years now... so I wasnt gonna wait this long to buy it because of this fucking marketing guys... so now I should get a refund if I want the package
I see where you're coming from, but I don't mind as much b/c the movie needs a new transfer and I know I've certainly watched it enough times to not make me feel like I've wasted my money.
Got the Revolutions dvd. It's pretty swell. It was nice to get all the trailers on disc one. Disc two actually has quite a few documentaries, most of the showing how the effects were done (that Zion siege logistics just boggles my mind). Overall, there's a couple hours of stuff to watch. All in all, a worthy disc that I'm sure you won't feel bad having to double dip for later when the Uber-Box arrives.
im stoked about this one
Quote from: andykI agree on that... whats the point of having the same movie several times only to get the extras and the nice box set... you should be able to get a refund or something for the old vesion and get the new one... if you were a loyal fan who already paid money to own it why should your shit be devaluated now with the new shit
Well its nice to see Criterion seems to hold that opinion. I saw where owners of the original release of 'Charade' can get $15 off the new one.
I think the most offensive growing trends with 'special editions' seems to be the release of a single-disc version only to be followed in 3 months with a 2 or 3 disc set. It almost gurantees the real fans will end up buying both copies. I know its business but geez, talk about getting hosed. I do, however, think the idea of what was done with Fight Club, or as a better example, Punch Drunk Love is great. First release is the special ediiton, then a single disc is put out later.
As for Matrix Revolutions, I hated it so i won't be buying it. But, I did enjoy the original film and the Animatrix, though i own neither. The philosophy and the art direction of the series is outstanding, and the reason i saw the sequels at all. So, if they release a super box set with all three films, plus the Animatrix and documentaries, I would probably buy it. I think the whole vision of the Matrix world is fascinating, even if the two sequels were trash.
I still think Warner fucked up royally with promoting the whole thing. I just met someone yesterday that didn't even know Revolutions had already made its theatrical run. When I told him it was coming out on DVD in a few days, he didn't believe me.
Quote from: markums2kI still think Warner fucked up royally with promoting the whole thing. I just met someone yesterday that didn't even know Revolutions had already made its theatrical run. When I told him it was coming out on DVD in a few days, he didn't believe me.
I'm sorry but that person was a dumbass... it was all over everywhere and it did great in theatres the first 10 days... until word of mouth killed it
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I'm sorry but that person was a dumbass... it was all over everywhere and it did great in theatres the first 10 days... until word of mouth killed it
thats bullshit man, it was not properly marketed and i know lots of people who were not aware of its release and they did see Reloaded in theatres
it was marketed badly, AND it sucked.
it didn't hav a chance.
heres something interesting from dvdanswers.com that i thought was an intresting point that i agree with
"Unfortunately the fact that the trilogy ends on an intellectual note rather than an emotional one has served to alienate a great deal of viewers, as has the reliance on a number of largely anonymous bit-players to carry some of the bigger scenes"
also i think a theme that is lost that is the most poignant key to revolutions is that the ability to choose is what is important and keeps others from ever being in control. I loved revolutions because of this point and was floored by the scene with Smith and Neo fighting in the water and Neo says "because i choose to." It really made the film for me.
i liked that scene too., and the Choosing thing is what made Reloaded great, they nailed that already.
and believe me i hav no problem with "intellectual notes". it's just that revolutions lacked the grace with which they were presented in the other films. they didn't bother with the same quality of storytelling. haha, intellectual note, now that i think about it that is HILARIOUS. seriously Revolutions is the least intelligent of the other films.
the others proposed and illustrated poignant ideas, like destiny/reality/choice and even Love. there was none of that in revolutions. too much of it felt like filler.. it was truly unmemorable and unexceptional. i'm sorry but it was really hard for me to accept it too. wouldn't it be great to just finally get a PERFECT trilogy? that will always be the dream.
ill take the rainy brawl over the burly brawl any day of the week. Much more epic and impressive
pubrick
how did you get a different form of text in your signature?
i'll take the twins, car-chase, architect scene, escape from architect, orgasmic cake, and miscellaneous memorable images.. over the siege of zion (which was the only other notable sequence in revolutions)
the sig is arabic text. pm me for further details.
the fight at the end with the matrix full of smiths and the rain was the best... the dialoge when trinity dies sucks... and the difference in morpheous character from the first movie to this last one also sucks... but the overall thing is that i loved the trilogy and the characters and the whole concept and i'll defend it anywhere
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a great scene indeed.
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it didn't hav a chance.
it did make like 150 million domestically
exactly, so what are u complaining about.
im not but by you saying that it didnt have a chance would imply that it failed misserably and while it was not the phenom that the other two installments were, it still made respectable box office
Quote from: Bankyit still made respectable box office
That's only because it was the final Matrix movie. Everyone had to see how it ended. But then they did and the word was spread quickly that it wasn't worth it. This is why it made maybe half of what Reloaded made.
we were never talking about box office, dude. if u recall, ur complaint was that "lots of ppl u know" didn't even realise Revolutions came out in cinemas. u were saying it was bad marketing, and sumone else said that it was bad/no word of mouth. i said it was BOTH, cos really they can both be true. ie. it was impeded on two fronts, which gave it very little chance to be heard about, provided that ur marketing theory and my bad word of mouth theory are true.
so the real conclusion here is, since it made so much damn money, that the ppl u know (the subject of the original conversation) are just clueless or had better things to do at the time of Revolution's release. u see?
the reality is that when reloaded came up they needed to do a massive marketing campaign that would let everyone know that The Matrix was back and all that crap... they made all kinds of deals with Powerade and other brands so that EVERYTHING would be The Matrix... and all the magazines and everything was about it... so it worked...
The fact that all the articles promoting Reloaded were already talking about Revolutions and the final instalment, and that Reloaded ended with a sign saying"to be continued", it was obvious that everyone who liked the 2nd one should have been waiting for the third one.
They did some marketing and they had a lot of PR... and they didnt do a bad job... especially since they did the simultaneous openning around the world and all the theatres exploded since the early morning... everywhere.
but then the reviews were bad... people were dissapointed... other Oscar-worthy blockbusters started coming out... and people just lost interest... and then I think these guys didnt push it... because they just let it die and they didnt do more and more promotion...
The fact that it didnt get even nominated for ANY award made also an impact on the people who at that time of the year are all about the Golden Globes, Oscars, etc...
It did make money because it had to... there was no possibility of the movie to not make money as a lot of Matrix fans were expecting it... its lke ROTK but the difference was that the impact on the media, critics, etc... was totally the opposite... everyone loved ROTK so much that people that never saw LOTR in their lives went to watch it...
i liked it.
cbrad where you been?
don't forget how everyone didn't like reloaded. that was mostly why. along with it not being too good and not seizing the opportunity it had...yes i can't hide it any longer from my face.. case closed.
guys its not up for discussion anymore because Picolas said Case Closed
Quote from: Bankyguys its not up for discussion anymore because Picolas said Case Closed
Done Debating the Absurdity
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Done Debating the Absurdity
are you?
Neo, I still believe
Quote from: Bankyare you?
last i checked.
don't be so offended. i like saying "case closed." it means nothing more than "imho lol lol."
also, i think you're under the impression that i disliked Reloaded (http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=124401#124401).
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don't be so offended.
im not offended at all i was just fucking around
"ITs all cool in the gang"
actually my post closed the case when i proved banky just wanted to prolong the discussion for no reason other than being bored, and to ignore all the points made by everyone else.
pubrick were back to our old terms
spoilers...are possible........
wel, finally i saw this and was dissapointed....i still think its a good film....but it just seemed so "blah"...after the first to films they close it this way???!!!.......its stupid....and poeple thoguht return of the king was dissapointing..sh*t..not compared to this..as far as the story goes and the whole "theory, interpretations, anmalyzing"..of the whole matrix mystic ..i though the film was handeld well......its just there's nothing real cool or whatever like the first two films gave us...its seemed like they weren't even trying to measmurize us like th eother two did.....but there was some cool sh*t..mainly the lastrain battle between smith and neo......but thats really it..the robot batlle went on two long and got old..i'cve seen sh*t likie that before so i wasn't "awed"..like i should have been....on a side not .....the fake "vasques" character in aliens..was cheap and annoying....and so blatantly ripped off...... after alls said and don eand when people look back on the trilogy..(like star wars) ....to quote xixaxian Banky:.."reloaded was the shit".....
i fell sorry for the hardcore fans for being let down.... :(
Yeah, I pretty much agree with Neon's opinion.
The problem was the studio let the Wachowski Brothers off the leash. The first Matrix went through tons of rewrites and drafts that actually made it better than the Brother's first far-from-filmed draft. Their first draft was shallow and lacked insight. Which is mostly the problem with the final two movies. I have a feeling the studio let the Brothers just head into production with their first versions and what you get is an unjointed mess full of babble and half meanings that aren't refined.
i agree. and who'dve thought too much artistic control could be a bad thing?
It generally takes quite a bit for me to say that a movie is bad--I like most of the films that I see (part of that is just choosing what to watch wisely).
I don't think that The Matrix Revolutions was a good film. Reloaded was actually fine. But this movie was not only a disappointment when compared to the first two; it was just plain blah. I can't really say that it's an especially bad film. But Every Damned Cliche of action movies was just stuck right into this movie. Actually, it felt like every bad cliche.
You got that stupid, "You saved me, Neo" kid who seems to be good-hearted but mentally retarded. The jerk general who dies but becomes nice to the kid while dying. I... don't even want to list everything.
The obvious obvious comparison to Jesus was stupid. It was plain stupid. The action scenes were terribly boring--really one of the most boring action movies I've ever seen. Trinity dying--stupid. So textbook and unartful (close up of her in pain, then wide shot of... oh she's dead... but not before a long "I love you don't die" dialogue).
You will rarely see me criticize a film like this--I do try to see the good in most of the movies that I see. But this film was really a piece of crap.
Insanely badly written dialogue...
Now, the philosophical aspect of the entire Matrix Trilogy has never been all that "deep." It's a neat idea to attach an action movie onto, but nothing really more than that.
I joke that the worst part of this movie was that Monica Bellucci was in it for ONLY 2 minutes or so, and to some extent that's true, but... bleh.
My brain is sorta all over the place right now, so I can't really write out an organized argument against the movie, but I just wanna say: it was boring. I'm rarely bored at the movies, and so when I do see something boring, I get kinda pissed.
.....man, after reading that post...i think even less of revolutions...but i'm not that harsh on it ..i still would call it a "good" film..but its really nothing compared to the other two...which is a shame ...maybe time will tell w/ revolutions .b/c i'll be honest w/ you guys at first i didn't like reloaded....and lost my admiration for the matrix series...but now reloaded is phucking awesome..there is so much more to it...and the more i think about reloaded the more i get pissed b/c revolutions should be awesome also..but its not..the keyword to summing up revolutions is.."BLAH"...............
Well, I still like it. I don't plan on watching it again any time soon (aside from maybe the siege on Zion, which I loved), but unlike Reloaded, my memories of it have stayed happy...
Egypt cuts God lines from 'The Matrix'
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — The final installment of "The Matrix" trilogy has made it past Egyptian censors with only minor cuts, the chief film censor said, noting it was an easier route to Egyptian theaters than the first two movies.
Madkour Thabit, head of the state-run censorship body responsible for audio and visual productions, told The Associated Press on Thursday that the focus of "The Matrix Revolutions" was different from the first two films.
"It depends on action and high technology ... without focusing on philosophic and religious meditations," he said.
Censors cut a shot of a topless girl at a nightclub party and two sentences in which the lead character, Neo, played by Keanu Reeves, proclaims himself both implicitly and explicitly as God, Thabit said.
The 15-member committee made up of film critics, professors, writers and psychologists accepted the movie last week. Trailers are now playing in most Egyptian movie theaters, he said.
"The Matrix Revolutions" is the final chapter in the Wachowski brothers' sci-fi trilogy. The movie opened in U.S. theaters last November.
The first film, "The Matrix," was shown in Egypt but was immediately criticized by some Islamic newspapers that claimed it espoused Zionism.
Censors banned the next installment, "The Matrix Reloaded," citing religious grounds. But distributors appealed the ban and the film was later allowed in movie theaters.
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We must ask Drencrom for his thoughts.
More Matrix Box Set Details
Nine-disc set is in the works.
The Digital Bits has the news that a number of online retailers, including Australian's e-tailer EzyDVD, are listing a 9-disc The Matrix Trilogy DVD box set in Region 4, although there is no street date.
The set breaks down as three discs for The Matrix, three discs for The Matrix Reloaded, two discs for The Matrix Revolutions, and the Animatrix DVD.
Among the features are new HD transfers of the films, an extended version of Reloaded with an hour of additional footage and new documentaries, commentaries and other newly-created special edition content.
We've already noted that Eric Matthies Productions, a media production company in the Hollywood area, let the information out that it was working on the box set by boasting of it on its corporate Web site.
EMP said it is working on "over one dozen hours of new material for this upcoming collectors [sic] edition release. This expanded edition of discs will include detailed documentaries on the philosophy and science behind the Matrix scripts as well as a look at the history of action cinema. EMP is also creating a densely layered documentary package estimated at nine total hours using footage that has not been seen in the other Matrix releases."
I'll definitely be getting this DVD set.
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release date: december 6, 2004
Matrix Ultimate Collection 10 DVD Box Set - Contains The Following
The Matrix - With All-New Transfer & Audio Commentary
The Matrix Revisited – Original Version With Behind-The-Scenes Footage
Matrix Reloaded Extended Version – New Cut With 55 Minutes Of New Footage Inserted Back Into The Film
Matrix Reloaded Revisited – All New Interviews, Scene Dissections And More!
Matrix Revolutions – Original Cut With Audio Commentaries
Matrix Revolutions Revisited – A Host Of All-New Extras
The Animatrix
The Roots Of The Matrix – 3 Hours Of Features
The Burley Man Chronicles – The People Behind The Matrix Discuss Their Work
The Zion Archive – A Tour Of Matrix Design Concepts, Storyboards & Drawings
Also Contains 20-Page Soft Cover Matrix Booklet
The Matrix - New Special Features
All-New Transfer Supervised By The Wachowskis And Director Of Photography (DP), Bill Pope
Audio Commentary By Keanu Reeves, Carrie Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne, DP Bill Pope And Other Cast And Crew
The Matrix Revisited (180 Minutes) - Same Special Features As Previous Release
Offers Comprehensive Behind-The-Scenes Look At The First Film In The Trilogy.
Matrix Reloaded Extended Version (190 Minutes) - New Special Features
New Cut Incorporating 55 Minutes Of Footage Shot For The 'Enter The Matrix' Game
Audio Commentaries By Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne, Jada Pinkett-Smith, Production Designer Owen Paterson, 2nd Unit Directors David Ellis And Kimble Rendall And Other Cast And Crew
Matrix Reloaded Revisited - Special Features (180 Minutes)
Includes All New Footage Including Dozens Of Never-Before-Seen Cast And Crew Interviews, Scene Dissections, Explorations Of The Production Design And Special Effects, And More
Matrix Revolutions - New Special Features
Audio Commentaries By Keanu Reeves, Carrie-Anne Moss, Laurence Fishburne, Special Effects Supervisor, John Gaeta; editor, Zach Staenberg And Other Cast And Crew
Matrix Revolutions Revisited - Special Features (180 Minutes)
Includes All New Footage Including Dozens Of Never-Before-Seen Cast And Crew Interviews, Scene Dissections, Explorations Of The Production Design And Special Effects, And More
The Animatrix
Same Special Features As Previous Release
The Roots Of The Matrix - Special Features (180 Minutes)
The Matrix And The History Of The Action Genre - Examines The Many Influences Of Action Cinema That Make Up The Matrix
Brainiacs' Revenge - Scholars, Philosophers, Theorists, And Charlatans Deconstruct The Intellectual Underpinnings Of The Trilogy
The Science Behind The Fiction – Is The Notion Of A Real Matrix Plausible? An Investigation Of The Technologies That Inspire The Metaphor Of The Matrix
The Burley Man Chronicles - Special Features (75 Minutes)
The Burley Man Chronicles - The "Human" Story Of The Making Of The Matrix, As Well As The Game Enter the Matrix
Rave Reel- A Club-Oriented Montage Of Unused And Newly Edited Footage From Reloaded
Spoofs Of The Matrix -The "Best-Of" These Various Clips
The Zion Archive - Special Features
Zion Archive - Production Assets Developed For The Matrix Universe, Including Concept Artwork, Storyboards, Drawings, Etc
Basic ROM Features
source (http://www1.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=224;5;-1;-1&sku=202272)
that's too much. how much is it?
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that's a lot of too much.
Whatever the price, I'll pay it.
Add drool :arrow: :yabbse-tongue:
it says £44.99 at the site i got the information from.
that's about $79.18
Must.. buy.. this..
Must..
the digital bits (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#0812)
Anyone out there up for The Ultimate Matrix Collection? According to the Wachowski Brothers, who made a rare public appearance at the recent Comic-Con to talk about the DVDs, it's on the way in December. They were part of a Warner Bros. DVD panel on Saturday, which happened right before the big Lucasfilm Star Wars panel, so it seems not many people from the online DVD world were in attendance to hear them talk (including us).
A promo was shown revealing two versions of the set, including a more expensive Collector's Edition Gift Set that includes a Neo minibust from Gentle Giant and a soundtrack CD. As we've heard before, this will be a 10-disc set as follows:
Disk 1 - The Matrix (digitally remastered and recolored)
Disk 2 - The Matrix Revisited (The SAME disc already released)
Disk 3 - The Matrix Reloaded
Disk 4 - The Matrix Reloaded Revisited
Disk 5 - The Matrix Revolutions
Disk 6 - The Matrix Revolutions Revisited
Disk 7 - The Animatrix (The SAME disc already released)
Disk 8 - The Roots of the Matrix
Disk 9 - The Burly Man Chronicles
Disk 10 - The Zion Archive
Here's additional information the Wachowskis revealed at the panel:
Despite rumors, there will be no new director's cuts. The brothers said they were very happy with the original theatrical versions.
There will be two audio commentaries for each film - one from philosophers Ken Wilber and Cornel West (who analyze the meanings behind the films), and one from three professional critics who hated all three films (no names given). According to Andy Wachowski, "It's the best idea we've ever had. It's hilarious. They just sit there and rip the shit out of us for six hours."
All the footage shot for the Enter the Matrix videogame is present on the DVD for Matrix Reloaded. However, it is not cut into the film - it's a separate special feature you can view scene-by-scene.
Finally, the Wachowskis said that none of the special features from the original DVD releases of the trilogy will be reproduced except for what you find on Discs 2 and 7. You may see some of the same footage re-edited, but if you want to own all of the extras you'll need to keep your original DVDs too.
So there you have it, straight from a Bits reader who was there. Todd and I actually saw the Wachowskis at the Burly Man booth in the dealer room, so we know there were on hand for all the Comic-Con fun. Our thanks to Doug for his efforts and for sending all this information to us to post for all of you.
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We're back AGAIN today with still more information on Warner's The Ultimate Matrix DVD Gift Set (TBA, due in December). As a reward for taking an online survey over at the Warner Home Video website, Bits reader Jeremy H. was able to learn some new details about the set... AND get some pics for you too!
According to Warner's survey, the 10-disc The Ultimate Matrix DVD Gift Set will include the three Matrix movies, The Animatrix and 6 discs of "enhanced content" with over 35 hours of bonus material. SRP is expected to be in the range of $59.99. It looks like there will also be more elaborate (and more expensive) version of the set that will include all 10 discs in special packaging, along with an "exclusive resin Neo bust and an 80-page book with never-before-seen artwork and storyboards."
Wanna look-see? Well, here you go...
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Tank, I need a download on a new pair of pants. I just creamed mine.
I'm a little disappointed by no 3 hour cut of Reloaded. But commentaries are nice (even if it's not from the Wachowski... ahem... siblings) and $60 for 10 discs is VERY nice.
thats good sh*t........especially the commentary where the critics rip it .that really is a good idea..........and for once, the "better" edition has the worse packaging.thats a stupid looking plastic case.and i dont play w/ toys anymore..so no need for that lttle neo bust.........i think the regular packaging is fine......and the price is great.....
thanks for the info.........
I was hoping for a documentary DVD of Andy's sex change operation.
Quote from: MyxomatosisI was hoping for a documentary DVD of Andy's sex change operation.
LOL ya. (esp. the part where they cut off his penis! :wink: :-D
Thanks
fuck it. i'm done with the wachowskis. this dvd is something i will not be buying.
It looks like they have those cheap thin CD-R cases holding the discs.
And what's the deal with statues and busts coming with DVDs? First the LOTR extended cuts, now this, and the Hellboy 3-disc set will also have one.
Quote from: bonanzatazthis dvd is something i will not be buying.
Have you turned into Stefen? :wink:
I wish they would sell these things separately, if I buy this, I'll buy 5 disks that I don't want. The same goes for the alien quadrology: ressurection is absolute shit, aliens is OK, but if I just want 1 and 3, I'm paying a shitload for disks that I don't care for.
Quote from: rustinglassThe same goes for the alien quadrology: ressurection is absolute shit, aliens is OK, but if I just want 1 and 3, I'm paying a shitload for disks that I don't care for.
They do sell the Alien DVDs separately; same content that's in the Quadrilogy. So you can just buy 1 and 3.
oh........ :oops: I suck.
great news, I'll investigate more about it.
DVD Release Date For The Ultimate Collection of The Matrix
Source: www.davisdvd.com
Release Date December 7.
ultimate boxed set trailer (http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbol/us/whv/med/matrix/collection/ultimate_matrix_collection_sizzle_tlr_qt_300.mov) (quicktime)
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Heads up for fellow Matrix fans (I guessing only MacGuffin):
If you order the box set from WB's Matrix website, you get the screenplays for all three movies for free-- and only 60 bucks! If memory serves me right, that's going price at every other retailer... so this is a steal.
Quote from: Weak2ndActHeads up for fellow Matrix fans (I guessing only MacGuffin):
If you order the box set from WB's Matrix website, you get the screenplays for all three movies for free-- and only 60 bucks! If memory serves me right, that's going price at every other retailer... so this is a steal.
Crap! I was gonna use Best Buy gift cards to get the limited edition for that 80 page book (not really for the Neo bust). Best Buy is selling it for $10 cheaper than the WB site. But I really want those scripts. Decisions, decisions.
EDIT: The shipping price from the WB site is insane! $12.95 would be added on, plus tax. Screw that!
man, I don't really like the movie but I'm really interested in the kungfu stuff. I know for the first Matrix Revisited they had like Yuen Wo-Ping's blocking tapes where his stunt dudes were performing the fights and that kicked ass. I want more of that, but not the movies nor the animation nor anything else. I wish there was just one $15 disc of the kungfu stuff that I can get somewhere.
http://www.slccglobelink.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/785067.html
Did anyone else not hear about this?
"Mother of the Matrix" Victorious
By Martha Carter
Published: Thursday, October 28, 2004
Article Tools: Page 1 of 2
Monday, October 4th 2004 ended a six-year dispute involving Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner Brothers. Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow residing.
Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars.
Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she felt had been based on her manuscript, "The Third Eye," copyrighted in 1981. In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers, requesting new sci-fi works.
According to court documentation, an FBI investigation discovered that more than thirty minutes had been edited from the original film, in attempt to avoid penalties for copyright infringement. The investigation also stated that "credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers." These witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart's original work and that it had been "often used during preparation of the motion pictures."
The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have Stewart's case dismissed, without success.
Stewart has confronted skepticism on all sides, much of which comes from Matrix fans, who are strangely loyal to the Wachowski Brothers. One on-line forum, entitled Matrix Explained has an entire section devoted to Stewart. Some who have researched her history and writings are open to her story. Others are suspicious and mocking. "It doesn't bother me," said Stewart in a phone interview last week, "I always knew what was true."
Some fans, are unaware of the case or they question its legitimacy, due to the fact that it has received little to no media coverage. Though the case was not made public until October of 2003, Stewart has her own explanation, as quoted at daghettotymz.com:
"The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-Time Warner... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, Dreamworks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow... many, many more!... They are not going to report on themselves. They have been surpressing my case for years..." Continued...
I didn't paste the rest because I pasted it from somewhere
but there's more info here
http://daghettotymz.com/matrix/sophiaupdate.html
Yeah, I've heard of this. It's strange... I find it a little hard to believe this woman came up w/ The Matrix AND The Terminator (I mean, don't like Harlan Ellison and a thousand other sci-fi writers have more legitmate beefs on that one?). And from what that bizarre website (It seems to have been written by Ali G's cousin) says, she wrote a 6 page treatment... which isn't much.
And that whole 'editing 30 minutes of the movie out'-- that's total horseshit. The only things that were really deleted from the first Matrix was a short bit about the failure of previous 'Ones' and that ended up being in the sequels.