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Started by kotte, October 13, 2003, 04:16:45 AM

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Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI wouldn't waste your time on Chinatown.  Rather boring except for two scenes: the nose thing and the fish thing.  If you do decide to see it, you'll know what I mean for both of 'em.  An overrated film from an overrated director.

This is plain exagaration. I can understand you don't like the movie, but still, a waste of time ?! Watching Mortal Kombat : Annihilation is a waste of time. Not Chinatown. That was just a stupid thing to say.
Not exaggeration at all.  Not a stupid thing to say.  I watched it, it was boring, and not nearly as good a film as people make it out to be in my opinion.  Hence, a waste of time.  Caveat viewer, and all that stuff.


Blood Simple
The Big Lebowski

........ and Chinatown is amazing.
Those who say that the totalitarian state of the Soviet Union was not "real" Marxism also cannot admit that one simple feature of Marxism makes totalitarianism necessary:  the rejection of civil society. Since civil society is the sphere of private activity, its abolition and replacement by political society means that nothing private remains. That is already the essence of totalitarianism; and the moralistic practice of the trendy Left, which regards everything as political and sometimes reveals its hostility to free speech, does nothing to contradict this implication.

When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.


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The Big Lebowski

........ and Chinatown is amazing.

Just picked up Polanski's Knife in the Water on DVD, which includes all his prior short films, and I plan to watch Rosemary's Baby at least once this spooky season.

I hardly think he's an overrated director, even though The Piano was ever-so-slightly overrated.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

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Yes Chinatown is the king of this genre. Especially because Polanski raped a slut.

Find Your Magali

I heartily second the recommendations for "Blood Simple" and "Kiss Me Deadly"

I would also throw out there:

The Singing Detective (BBC TV)
Kurosawa's "Stray Dog"
L.A. Confidential


Blood Simple, L.A. Confidential, and Se7en are great.  But don't forget Dick Tracy, "ya dumb dick!"


But "L.A. Confidential" and "Seven" are police detectives.
"Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art." - Andy Warhol

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Last five films (theater)
-The Da Vinci Code: *
-Thank You For Smoking: ***
-Silent Hill: ***1/2 (high)
-Happy Together: ***1/2
-Slither: **

Last five films (video)
-Solaris: ***1/2
-Cobra Verde: ***1/2
-My Best Fiend: **1/2
-Days of Heaven: ****
-The Thin Red Line: ***

Find Your Magali

Quote from: MacGuffinBut "L.A. Confidential" and "Seven" are police detectives.

Yeah, I thought about that, too. ... But it's pretty close to the same genre, especially with the tone of some flicks.


se7en, def.

chinatown, big sleep, already metioned, but with good reason.


The Long Goodbye and Dead Again are pretty snazzy.


For future aspiring detectives, archive dot org has both versions of The Big Sleep up for free. Their download speed iz a trickle, but you can download each within two hours, with luck.

The Big Sleep (1945 pre-release version)
The Big Sleep (1946)

QuoteBoth the preview version and the theatrical release are available on DVD. The running times of each are similar but there are actually over 20m of differences between the two versions - the impact of the changes is to beef up the Bogart/Bacall romance angle and make it much sexier. The preview version comes across as much duller than the better-known theatrical release print which has been made a genuine classic by the re-shooting and re-editing. The major differences are:

  • preview version has extra footage of Bogart searching Geiger's house where he has found Bacall's sister in a drugged state. This doesn't reveal any new information and was deleted for pacing reasons in the theatrical print.
  • preview version has different footage when Bogart takes the drugged sister back to her mansion. Theatrical print removes some of this and replaces it with a new scene set in Bacall's bedroom in which she and Bogie exchange some great, racy dialogue. This new scene considerably alters the tone of the film.
  • preview version has a scene in which Bacall visits Bogie's office wearing a veil and they talk a lot. Bacall's agent particularly objected to this veil. The theatrical print removes the scene entirely and replaces it with a new one with the couple set in a restaurant which has much sexier dialogue and innuendo (to do with racehorses among other things).
  • the preview version has a long-ish dialogue scene in the DA's office which explains a lot of the plot details although it goes on too long and slows the film's pace. Scene has been removed entirely from the theatrical print.
  • the theatrical print has an additional scene in which Bacall's psycho sister tries to seduce Bogie in his apartment. He rebuffs her. This scene was in the original novel and is important in explaining who really killed the chauffeur. In the preview print, the absence of this scene makes it unclear why Bogie knows that the sister is a psychopath at the finale.
  •    the scene in which Bogie is tied up with Bacall and Eddie Mars' wife was completely re-shot for the theatrical release with a different actress playing Mars' wife. The theatrical release edit emphasizes the Bacall/Bogie pairing more and has additional close-ups of Bacall

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Jeremy Blackman

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