My girlfriend surprised me and got me the bootleg for my birthday (what an awesome girlfriend), and we watched it, and I can honestly say it is SUCH a crappy movie. Man alive, it was painful to watch.
HOW did he get the people to agree to do that crap? Did ANYONE see potential? Granted, he didn't have the equipment we have nowadays, but man alive, it was terrible.
Though I was pleasantly surprised to see a ton of stuff from there used in Boogie Nights (The Touch, Angels Live In My Town, Reed Rothchild, etc).
I thought he had a pretty good script.
You have to judge it for what it is...a video short made by a 17 year old.
Um, it was a for-fun project by a teenager editing vhs to vhs, what the hell did you want???
If anything, hearing that his first attempt was absolute crap should give people hope. But then again, it's very rare that something done by a teenager isn't crap. But what blows the mind, still, is how young he was when he did Hard Eight, and how that helped him improve so much on Boogie Nights.
Tsk tsk tsk, you are going to PTA hell for watching that bootleg.
i've heard rumores that Kubrick wore diapers when he appeared on this world for the first time. I've also heard that he drooled and cried a lot, but i think that's a bit too much. what do you think?(i've heard that he also didn't know how to write, and lot's of really scandalous shit, but i forgot about some of them)
Quote from: mollyi've heard rumores that Kubrick wore diapers when he appeared on this world for the first time. I've also heard that he drooled and cried a lot, but i think that's a bit too much. what do you think?(i've heard that he also didn't know how to write, and lot's of really scandalous shit, but i forgot about some of them)
:lol:
bob did it because he was a freind of his dad, i know a actor in hollywood that would let me do a crappy short movie just because hes a freind.
Anyways, could someone rip it and send me a copy?
Quote from: Sigur RósAnyways, could someone rip it and send me a copy?
I would if you would from this point on stop saying "anyways"
there's gonna be a public screening of it at a bar i frequent..
7pm Tuesday 17th February: PAUL THOMAS ANDERSON vs JOHNNY WADD!
Two radically different portraits of porn superstardom - The Dirk Diggler Story (1989), the INCREDIBLY RARE FIRST FILM from PAUL THOMAS ANDERSON, a 30 minute shot-on-video mockumentary that was later reworked as Boogie Nights! Plus Wadd: The Life And Times Of John C. Holmes (1998), the true story of porndoms well-endowed king John Holmes aka Johnny Wadd.
I really should come up for that.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think I've made better stuff for fun, and I'm sure lots of you have, when you were 17.
But my main point in saying that (and something that I totally forgot to mention, so that makes me a doofus) was the fact that just a few years later, he made Cigarettes & Coffee, which is LIGHTYEARS ahead of The Dirk Diggler Story. It was just shocking to me how he could make that much progress in that little time.
But I don't think I'm wrong for bashing his crap that he did at 17. There are some talented 17 year olds out there. Unfortunately, he wasn't one of them. I guess he's more than making up for it now. But it does inspire me. If he can make crap like that and then make brilliance 4 times in a row, I'm pumped.
LEAVE 'EM DA FUCK ALONE MUTHAFUCKA
yeah, it sucks big time. but i don't hold it against him.
The only thing I hold against him is that he hasn't used the guy who played Reed in The Dirk Diggler Story in one of his feature films. That guy is huge and doofy looking!
speakin of doofy looking fools, has anyone seen Cigarettes and Coffee? man that dude who is talking to PBH almost ruins the damn movie, can he close his mouth???? the whole time it's like sumone is pulling down his lower lip. it's effing distracting and stupit.
(been wanting to get that off my chest for a while)
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(been wanting to get that off my chest for a while)
I didn't even think about that. I think he works...
he looked like a goddamn fish, and his eyebrow action didn't help either.
Quote from: Phe looked like a goddamn fish, and his eyebrow action didn't help either.
Haha, yeah well...act alongside Baker Hall and you'll look as fishy as he did.
So for those who have seen it, is Cigarettes And Coffee amazing, or is it just "that's a decent short film, it's nice to see where he started"?
Because even watching the Polanski shorts on the CC dvd, I thought one was quite good, 2 others were fairly good, and the others were interesting but nothing special. Maybe I'm just not a fan of short films...
Quote from: SoNowThenSo for those who have seen it, is Cigarettes And Coffee amazing, or is it just "that's a decent short film, it's nice to see where he started"?
Because even watching the Polanski shorts on the CC dvd, I thought one was quite good, 2 others were fairly good, and the others were interesting but nothing special. Maybe I'm just not a fan of short films...
I wouldn't say amazing...but very good. It's fairly pretentious (The Word :) ) but exciting.
pretentious? why?
Quote from: phlmrlwepretentious? why?
Well, we've had a discussion about what that means. To tell you the truth, I don't know. I just get a feeling of self-importance. I like it. I think it's good but that it tries to run deeper than it is...
Hell, even the man himself calls it pretentious.
i guess it's a silly little movie about the first thing PT ever noticed while doing absolutely nothing.
the idea of the movie is that, before u do anything, u hav to smoke/drink sum coffee. it's obvious why he's embarassed by it now, u know, u don't use ur most profound material on ur first proffessional short. but u get the impression at the time, he did think it was the most profound thing.
i have a theory that creative people do lots of stuff just as an experiment, like: What will happen if i do_______________?
writers read a lot, they read lots of books that really suck, to see what was the factor of that, so they could avoid it. In the end we see a finished product, but we don't want to know how much of really hard work is behind it. I've read in some magazine that pharmaceutical industry usually tests 5000 substances before gets to the right one. It's not some epiphany, or it's LIKE epiphany, but after you do a lot of work. Film students here make lots of movies that to me look like a pile of shit, but they say they are more experiments with light and equipment in general. They are NOT meant for the ordinary audience.
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(been wanting to get that off my chest for a while)
:lol!: :lol!: :lol!:
Making short films is like a corporation doing R & D -- Research and Development. I remember seeing Scorsese's short NYU films, and seeing glimpses of talent, but I didn't feel that I was watching the work of a genius. It took a few films for him to hit his stride. Tarantino started directing a low-budget feature, which he abandoned half-way through. Even if he was disappointed in the results, QT learned a great deal from it. It is better to make a film, any kind of film, just to get your feet wet, rather than sitting around theorizing about film (which is good up to a point, but you gotta lay it on the line sometime).
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He's the cop from Rez dogs right?
Quote from: poserismsHe's the cop from Rez dogs right?
why do you ask if you already know the answer? pfft.
Quote from: mogwaiQuote from: poserismsHe's the cop from Rez dogs right?
why do you ask if you already know the answer? pfft.
I wasn't for sure. And don't ever write pfft again.
Quote from: poserismsQuote from: mogwaiQuote from: poserismsHe's the cop from Rez dogs right?
why do you ask if you already know the answer? pfft.
I wasn't for sure. And don't ever write pfft again.
pfft, make him.
finally picked DDS and C&C up on ebay. i thought DDS story was clever for what is was, a 17 year old fucking around. it had some funny moments and definitly led him to sumthing wonderful. :yabbse-thumbup:
C&C on the other hand i thought was a boring peice of shit. i'm not even sure what it was supposed to be saying. the scenes with the guy talking on the phone were the worst. it appeared the guy on the other end of the phone (who we couldn't hear) had the best lines, all we got was 5 minutes of this guy saying "yeah?" really?" "no shit!".... :yabbse-thumbdown:
i feel the compulsion to utter: pff,ff;ffff,t
you are stealing the childhood of a human being;
For those that own or have seen The Dirk Diggler Story and Cigarettes and Coffee, what is the audio and video quality of the copies currently available, and what is the running time for TDDS? Thanks.
The video quality of TDDS that I have is terrible. A lot of time I had a hard time seeing what was going on (though it progressively got better). The sound wasn't too hot either, but part of that is the fact that it was shot on video. C&C is better. It would look pretty good if it wasn't a VHS copy, but the sound is much better. I don't remember the running time for TDDS except it was too long for it's own good.
Quote from: LinkThe video quality of TDDS that I have is terrible. A lot of time I had a hard time seeing what was going on (though it progressively got better). The sound wasn't too hot either, but part of that is the fact that it was shot on video. C&C is better. It would look pretty good if it wasn't a VHS copy, but the sound is much better. I don't remember the running time for TDDS except it was too long for it's own good.
Thnx for the info.
Dirk Diggler= 31 minutes
Cigs & Coffee=23 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTASRDkEpgk
OK, which one of you guys put this out there?
Darnit. Removed already.
Agreed to be in it? Wasn't this just some movie that Paul shot in high school probably for film class or something? I don't think anybody agreed to be in it thinking it was a career move. haha The guy was what, like 17? It was just some project he did for fun.
I saw it today. Thought it was awful. BUT it is what it is. The production quality is so bad that I couldn't even watch it. I'm sure the story - upon the projection flaws - might have been good but I couldn't tolerate myself to get into it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6568842455418764286&hl=en
Thank you, friend.
It's still pretty sophisticated for something made by a 17 year old dude editing from vcr to vcr. There's a lot of humor and smart editing choices. He was trying his best to make it work with what he had. It was fun to hear "you've got the touch" and all the stuff about the vocals being up when recording the album.
I wish Robert Ridgley was in my short films in high school.
Though, one of the customers in the video store I worked at used to be Philip Baker Hall's roommate in college so I guess that kinda... doesn't... count... at all.
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Though, one of the customers in the video store I worked at used to be Philip Baker Hall's roommate in college so I guess that kinda... doesn't... count... at all.
and the guy who runs my favorite local movie theatre was a friend of ernie anderson and knew pta when he was 11 years old, so that also kinda ... doesn't ...count ... at all. :yabbse-undecided:
Who the hell is that big guy, he totally has that same John C./P. Seymour/Guzman lovable big-dope factor going on for him... it's funny to see how established little pt was to his characters already...
but creepy to think that all these guys were willing to go shirtless and writhe around in banana hammocks for this scrawny little junior with a camera... i have the felling Ghoulardi was the kinda dad that would bring home a hooker and and you use her afterwards... yeesh.
anyone know if he filmed this himself?
the guy with the bandanna in the beginning (who calls dirk and who slates the first scene with his hands)
sounds an awful lot like pta!