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Title: Private eyes
Post by: kotte on October 13, 2003, 04:16:45 AM
Can you give me some tips on 'detective movies'...like The Big Sleep etc?
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Post by: Pas on October 13, 2003, 07:47:17 AM
Good idea ...

I suggest Chinatown, obviously
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Post by: mutinyco on October 13, 2003, 07:48:08 AM
Be a detective and search for some...
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Post by: Cecil on October 13, 2003, 09:29:54 AM
maltese falcon
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2003, 10:28:18 AM
Kiss Me Deadly
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Post by: cine on October 13, 2003, 10:46:07 AM
French Connection
Touch of Evil
Silence of the Lambs
The Killers
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2003, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: CinephileFrench Connection
Touch of Evil
Silence of the Lambs
The Killers

Except none of those film have private detectives in them.
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Post by: Fernando on October 13, 2003, 11:21:42 AM
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083798/)
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Post by: ono on October 13, 2003, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: FernandoDead Men Don't Wear Plaid (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083798/)
What Fernando said.  Excellent film.

I wouldn't waste your time on Chinatown.  Rather boring except for two scenes: the nose thing and the fish thing.  If you do decide to see it, you'll know what I mean for both of 'em.  An overrated film from an overrated director.

Of course, you must see The Maltese Falcon.  That's like where it began.  Cecil seems to have beaten me to that one, though.  Oh well.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 13, 2003, 04:54:16 PM
Quote from: FernandoDead Men Don't Wear Plaid (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083798/)

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Post by: luctruff on October 13, 2003, 05:00:42 PM
stolen kisses
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Post by: modage on October 13, 2003, 05:02:22 PM
who framed roger rabbit?
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Post by: kotte on October 13, 2003, 05:15:48 PM
Thanks!

Just started to really enjoy these types of movies.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 13, 2003, 10:54:37 PM
. Yound sherlock ho(l)mes...(i think the dude from lock stocked played young sherlock in this film).this one is old and has deserts coming alive and commiting suicide in a fat kids mouth in a graveyard..)..it use to make me feel wierd as a kid

or fletch
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Post by: Pas on October 14, 2003, 07:36:05 AM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI wouldn't waste your time on Chinatown.  Rather boring except for two scenes: the nose thing and the fish thing.  If you do decide to see it, you'll know what I mean for both of 'em.  An overrated film from an overrated director.

This is plain exagaration. I can understand you don't like the movie, but still, a waste of time ?! Watching Mortal Kombat : Annihilation is a waste of time. Not Chinatown. That was just a stupid thing to say.

I forgot these, but the Poirot collection of movies is AWESOME. Each and every one is great. They're on DVD if you don't get the A&E channel where there's one every week. It's not a tv show, it's actual feature films.
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Post by: ono on October 14, 2003, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI wouldn't waste your time on Chinatown.  Rather boring except for two scenes: the nose thing and the fish thing.  If you do decide to see it, you'll know what I mean for both of 'em.  An overrated film from an overrated director.

This is plain exagaration. I can understand you don't like the movie, but still, a waste of time ?! Watching Mortal Kombat : Annihilation is a waste of time. Not Chinatown. That was just a stupid thing to say.
Not exaggeration at all.  Not a stupid thing to say.  I watched it, it was boring, and not nearly as good a film as people make it out to be in my opinion.  Hence, a waste of time.  Caveat viewer, and all that stuff.
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Post by: SoNowThen on October 14, 2003, 10:52:06 AM
Blood Simple
The Big Lebowski


........ and Chinatown is amazing.
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Post by: godardian on October 14, 2003, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: SoNowThenBlood Simple
The Big Lebowski


........ and Chinatown is amazing.

Just picked up Polanski's Knife in the Water on DVD, which includes all his prior short films, and I plan to watch Rosemary's Baby at least once this spooky season.

I hardly think he's an overrated director, even though The Piano was ever-so-slightly overrated.
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Post by: Newtron on October 14, 2003, 11:20:19 AM
Yes Chinatown is the king of this genre. Especially because Polanski raped a slut.
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Post by: Find Your Magali on October 14, 2003, 11:37:17 AM
I heartily second the recommendations for "Blood Simple" and "Kiss Me Deadly"

I would also throw out there:

The Singing Detective (BBC TV)
Kurosawa's "Stray Dog"
L.A. Confidential
Seven
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Post by: ono on October 14, 2003, 12:32:45 PM
Blood Simple, L.A. Confidential, and Se7en are great.  But don't forget Dick Tracy, "ya dumb dick!"
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 14, 2003, 12:55:04 PM
But "L.A. Confidential" and "Seven" are police detectives.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 14, 2003, 01:03:09 PM
The Matrix
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Post by: Find Your Magali on October 14, 2003, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinBut "L.A. Confidential" and "Seven" are police detectives.

Yeah, I thought about that, too. ... But it's pretty close to the same genre, especially with the tone of some flicks.
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Post by: Alethia on October 14, 2003, 07:42:04 PM
se7en, def.


chinatown, big sleep, already metioned, but with good reason.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 14, 2003, 08:16:09 PM
The Long Goodbye and Dead Again are pretty snazzy.
Title: Re: Private eyes
Post by: WorldForgot on January 25, 2022, 10:05:35 PM
For future aspiring detectives, archive dot org has both versions of The Big Sleep up for free. Their download speed iz a trickle, but you can download each within two hours, with luck.

The Big Sleep (1945 pre-release version) (https://archive.org/details/the-big-sleep-humphrey-bogart-lauren-bacall-martha-vickers-regis-toomey-john-ridgley-1946)
The Big Sleep (1946) (https://archive.org/details/1_20210927_20210927_2228)

QuoteBoth the preview version and the theatrical release are available on DVD. The running times of each are similar but there are actually over 20m of differences between the two versions - the impact of the changes is to beef up the Bogart/Bacall romance angle and make it much sexier. The preview version comes across as much duller than the better-known theatrical release print which has been made a genuine classic by the re-shooting and re-editing. The major differences are:

  • preview version has extra footage of Bogart searching Geiger's house where he has found Bacall's sister in a drugged state. This doesn't reveal any new information and was deleted for pacing reasons in the theatrical print.
       
  • preview version has different footage when Bogart takes the drugged sister back to her mansion. Theatrical print removes some of this and replaces it with a new scene set in Bacall's bedroom in which she and Bogie exchange some great, racy dialogue. This new scene considerably alters the tone of the film.
  • preview version has a scene in which Bacall visits Bogie's office wearing a veil and they talk a lot. Bacall's agent particularly objected to this veil. The theatrical print removes the scene entirely and replaces it with a new one with the couple set in a restaurant which has much sexier dialogue and innuendo (to do with racehorses among other things).
  • the preview version has a long-ish dialogue scene in the DA's office which explains a lot of the plot details although it goes on too long and slows the film's pace. Scene has been removed entirely from the theatrical print.
  • the theatrical print has an additional scene in which Bacall's psycho sister tries to seduce Bogie in his apartment. He rebuffs her. This scene was in the original novel and is important in explaining who really killed the chauffeur. In the preview print, the absence of this scene makes it unclear why Bogie knows that the sister is a psychopath at the finale.
  •    the scene in which Bogie is tied up with Bacall and Eddie Mars' wife was completely re-shot for the theatrical release with a different actress playing Mars' wife. The theatrical release edit emphasizes the Bacall/Bogie pairing more and has additional close-ups of Bacall
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It's true, I can't figure out the list function...
Title: Re: Private eyes
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 25, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on January 25, 2022, 10:05:35 PMIt's true, I can't figure out the list function...

It should go like this:

[list]
[li]item[/li]
[li]item[/li]
[li]item[/li]
[li]item[/li]
[li]item[/li]
[/list]


That results in this:
Title: Re: Private eyes
Post by: WorldForgot on January 25, 2022, 11:44:03 PM
Thanks, JB. Cleaner bullets. Painless, too.