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Title: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE RESULTS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 01, 2020, 02:36:17 PM
2020 Xixax Dekapenticon

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First, thanks so much to Sleepless for his work on all these great banners.

As mentioned before, I had to concoct a little system for rating these films based on the weighted votes they received.  Reason is, some films were mentioned a lot but not ranked very high, and some were ranked high when they were mentioned, but not mentioned by that many people.  So, these 20 films are those that received 5 or more votes and an "Enthusiasm Index" of 790 or more.  The Enthusiasm Index is: (#votes)^3 + ∑((21-#n-place-votes)^2 ...)


#VotesTitleEnthusiasm
192001: A Space Odyssey2773
28Magnolia2379
39Mulholland Drive2033
47Eyes Wide Shut1816
57Apocalypse Now1645
68There Will Be Blood1614
76Citizen Kane1327
87Pulp Fiction1264
95Dogville1219
105Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me1146
115The Night of the Hunter1133
126Vertigo1118
136The Big Lebowski1086
146The Master1056
157Barry Lyndon1006
165Chinatown1004
175Punch-Drunk Love983
187Alien972
195Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind887
205The Godfather: Part II791

Honorable Mentions: The Thing (7/740), Do the Right Thing (4/1202), Come and See (4/1007).  The Thing had a lot of people mention it, but no one ranked it higher than 6th.  But it would've come in 5th if I just went by raw votes.  That's what let me know something was wrong with the first approach.  Do the Right Thing and Come and See had the opposite problem.  Few people mentioned them, but when they did, they ranked them really highly, creating another outlier.

Thanks to everyone who participated!




Sup peeps.  Haven't been active much lately, but the movie love is still real, and I have been active on Letterboxd, playing catchup over a lifetime.  In a file tucked away on my computer, I came across a list of Stanley Kubrick's favorite films (https://letterboxd.com/tarheeledfish/list/stanley-kubricks-favorite-films-1963/), circa 1963, and it reminded me of the Dekapenticons we did way back when.  It's been 14 years now, so I figure now's a good a time as any to bring it back.  2004's list (https://letterboxd.com/tarheeledfish/list/xixax-dekapenticon-2004/) was sad.  2006's list (https://letterboxd.com/tarheeledfish/list/xixax-dekapenticon-2006/) was a bit better, but still showing our collective ages and inexperience.  But tastes have changed, people have come and gone, and our living GOAT has made 4 features since, with a 5th on the way.  What better way to continue riding out the 'rona?  I'll help however I can cuz hey, I got time.  Thoughts?

THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!

42 films were nominated (due to ties).  PM me your ranked list of 20 films from this list only.  Ties will be broken by number of 1st place votes and so on.  Please continue campaigning at your leisure, watching films from this list and sharing your thoughts, and expressing slack-jawedness over one film's omission over another, etc.  Have fun!

2001: A Space Odyssey
Alien
Apocalypse Now
Barry Lyndon
Boogie Nights
Buffalo '66
Chinatown
Citizen Kane
Come and See
Dancer in the Dark
Do the Right Thing
Dogville
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Eyes Wide Shut
Fight Club
First Reformed
Full Metal Jacket
Inherent Vice
Inland Empire
Jackie Brown
Lost Highway
Magnolia
Morvern Callar
Mulholland Drive
Palindromes
Paris, Texas
Pulp Fiction
Punch-Drunk Love
Singin' in the Rain
Southland Tales
Sunset Boulevard
The Big Lebowski
The Godfather
The Godfather: Part II
The Master
The Night of the Hunter
The Shining
The Terrorizers
The Thing (1982)
There Will Be Blood
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Vertigo

Voting will be open until December 31st at 11:59 PM PST.  We'll then ring in the new year with our first Dekapenticon (Icosicon?) in 14 years!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Sleepless on December 01, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
I had this same thought a couple of months back and did absolutely nothing about it so full credit to you. I'm in.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 01, 2020, 03:41:23 PM
Good idea! I don't have much time right now to spearhead something like this, but I could certainly still help out.

IIRC, last time we came up with a complex voting system where we had people make a ranked list, and those ranks were assigned point values so #1 wouldn't be worth 10x as much as #10. That sort of thing.

Since that's probably untenable, maybe something in Google Forms?

Did we have like a two phase thing, nominations then final voting? I don't even remember.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: ono on December 01, 2020, 04:03:37 PM
I think it was something like, everyone nominates 30 films, and then we take the top 30 from those and vote for 15.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: PinkTeeth on December 02, 2020, 01:30:04 AM
 :yabbse-tongue: :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: WorldForgot on December 02, 2020, 10:01:15 AM
 :twisted:  :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Sleepless on December 02, 2020, 12:51:47 PM
What about a "20 For '20"? Goal being a list of 20 films this time around.

Everyone could submit a list of 20 films each (can do in Google Forms). Films have to nominated x-number of times (3?) to make the official "nominees" list. Then everyone votes on what films make the final list. Thinking everyone votes for 20 ranked-choice style, but not sure if Google Forms has that capability. Also think it'd be better to do the voting where the status isn't visible so that current standings don't impact how people vote.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 02, 2020, 03:36:51 PM
I like that.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: ono on December 02, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
I like that too, but the nominations list still needs to be bigger than the final films list in order to have a consensus.  So, since in the past we did 30, pick 15, how about this time we allow people to nominate 40, pick 20?  I'd be willing to do all the heavy lifting, counting, etc, since it was my idea.  It won't be that heavy.  No Google thingy would be needed.  Some spreadsheet fu would suffice, once all the entries were normalized.  You could just PM them.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Sleepless on December 02, 2020, 05:55:53 PM
I like you doing the work lol :) No objections to that. I do think it's important that we keep the "status of voting" confidential so as not to influence strategic voting, but campaigning for films to be included in nominations list should be allowed. However else you think it should work is fine. PMing votes makes me nostalgic for the Xixax of yore...
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 02, 2020, 06:06:46 PM
I also think it's best to have a larger pool of nominations.

It can be a bit of a headache to count and compile nominations that are made in a thread in no standardized format, with all sorts of different spellings, punctuations, and capitalizations. But I don't think the turnout would be overwhelming enough to be concerned. In any case, I think we've found that decreasing the barrier to entry (not requiring any special formatting etc.) increases participation quite a bit.

I assume the nominating process would not ask people to do any ranking. That phase is just about compiling a list of titles, right?

I would say the people organizing this should exercise some amount of editorial control over the nominees. We've found that to be essential sometimes in the Xixax Awards. The will of the voters/nominators is usually very clear in most situations, though, and you want to reward the energy of the people who participate in the nomination phase.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: ono on December 02, 2020, 06:51:08 PM
Yeah, a low barrier is important.  I'm thinking all people really need to do is say the name of the film, and the year if there's any confusion.

And yeah, it's just a list of titles right now.  I actually forget what the rankings were used for anyway.  I don't think personal rankings were very relevant.

If there's no other input to be had, I think we can go ahead and open up the campaign period.

Maybe have nominations open until the 16th, and then announce the list on the 17th, and that gives everyone another two weeks to watch stuff.  We'll announce the winners on January 1st.  Sound good?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 02, 2020, 06:59:50 PM
 :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Sleepless on December 02, 2020, 07:23:20 PM
 :yabbse-thumbup:

Let me know how I can help at all.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: polkablues on December 02, 2020, 07:33:58 PM
I humbly suggest that we do this one as a best movies of the past 20 years rather than a best all-time. I'm just worried about putting a bunch of effort into it and then ending up with basically the same list.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: ono on December 02, 2020, 07:51:26 PM
Hmm...  Well, I think that expanding that list to account for the films of the past 15 years should allow for more room for recent additions as well as past ones.  I mean, isn't one of the criticisms of our lists of years past that they're too neoteric?

I will say, the level of work involved in asking for a top list of the past 20 years is not much greater, so if people want to have two separate votes, I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Sleepless on December 03, 2020, 08:09:40 AM
I think it's worth doing again. Tastes have changed and Xixax has a lot of new blood since 2006. Doesn't AFI do a "greatest of all time" list every decade?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: ono on December 03, 2020, 10:10:38 AM
So... should we now call this the Xixax Icosicon?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon?
Post by: Sleepless on December 03, 2020, 10:18:05 AM
Dekapenticon, Icosicon...

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Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: PinkTeeth on December 03, 2020, 04:20:16 PM
XIXAX'S XXxXX-XRAVAGANZA

or

Xixax's 20202020rama
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 06, 2020, 06:01:43 PM
This week I watched Last Year at Marienbad, Vertigo, and rewatched Spirited Away in looking for possible nominations.  Last Year was boring and redundant, yet dreamlike.  I admired the first part, but I literally fell asleep during the last 30 minutes because I started it at like 4 AM, thinking I'd be more awake than I was, and ultimately, I missed most of the important parts of the movie and will probably have to watch it again.  Hey, 60s movies all can't be as captivating as Easy Rider (which I had coincidentally seen for the first time a little over two weeks before making this thread).  Vertigo, I had never seen up until this point.  I can see why it's revered, save for the conceit of the plot machinations that make the whole thing a bit implausible.  Spirited Away I had seen once many years ago, but also fell asleep for a bit once midway through.  I have read at least one other review claiming the same thing.  It's like nothing else, only because animation can do it.  All worth a watch, even if they may or may not ultimately have a place there.  If pressed, I'd say of the four mentioned, Easy Rider is best.  Easy Rider and Vertigo share the same abruptness.  Last Year at Marienbad and Spirited Away share the same dreaminess.  Ultimately, coincidences that don't mean too much.

Please, commence with the campaigning, suggestions, discussions, and nominations!  Looking forward to read what others recommend.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 06, 2020, 06:06:07 PM
Is there a final decision on the date range?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 06, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
Yeah, I edited the original post.  Open to changes, if anyone thinks there should be any.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 06, 2020, 06:10:52 PM
So it's all-time faves?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 06, 2020, 06:33:29 PM
Yeah.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Robyn on December 06, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
Brief Encounter is one of the best romantic dramas i've seen, and I hope people watch it and considerer it as one of their nominations! Millennium Mambo is magical and I hope people give it a shot, the structure of that film is heartbreaking; even if she has left him, she's still stuck with him after all these years, dreaming about it and thinking about that relationship and what it meant to her... also, one of the best intros ever made. Kiss Me Deadly is one of the best film noir i've seen, and everyone here should watch it! Also, dont' forget to give Possession a chance! JB might like it if you haven't seen it already!

Also:
My neighbour Totoro is the best gibli.
Bande Apart is the best Godard.
Daisies if you want to get weird!
Stop Making Sense is the best concert film! 
Lover on the bridge!
Shop Arounder the corner!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Robyn on December 06, 2020, 07:05:23 PM
Also, Vertigo is funny.... I started film school (sript writing) 1 year ago, and one my teachers showed it in class. First i was like "how is this the greatest film ever made?", then I waited two months and was like "nah i'm gonna be boring and say that Vertigo is definitely the greatest film ever made"
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 06, 2020, 07:15:16 PM
I assume everyone is including Dancer In The Dark and Mulholland Drive, so I'll highlight ones that might be overlooked:

Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Robyn on December 06, 2020, 07:20:08 PM
I included Dogville but no Dancer in the Dark or Melancholia... and also no PTA's because I assumed everyone would vote for him anyway.

....writing that out now i'm realising that's the wrong approach.... fuck.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 06, 2020, 08:45:28 PM
Yeah, I mean, if everyone thought that way, there would be no PTA films in there.  The big question is, which ones will stick?  My guess is Boogie is out, and CMBB and the Master are in, but may split the vote and fight with PDL and Magnolia.  I think... Phantom Thread is really good but it's too soon to tell.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 06, 2020, 10:06:28 PM
Just FYI, if Twin Peaks The Return is eligible for this, I will burn the whole thing to the ground.

Looking at you, Sleepless.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 06, 2020, 10:11:25 PM
Miniseries != Feature
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Alethia on December 06, 2020, 10:29:45 PM
Oh this changes things.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2020, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 06, 2020, 10:06:28 PM
Just FYI, if Twin Peaks The Return is eligible for this, I will burn the whole thing to the group.

Looking at you, Sleepless.

It's my #1 on Letterboxd but I'll begrudgingly forego having that fight again here because efforts would be better spent on championing other Lynch films - but what? Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway, Wild At Heart, Fire Walk With Me...?

Quote from: Robyn on December 06, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
Bande Apart is the best Godard.

I humbly submit Pierrot le Fou. Agree on Brief Encounter though.

More suggestions to follow I'm sure, but for now...

Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2020, 11:05:29 AM
* burn the whole thing to the ground

Ugh. Was that auto-correct or my bad brain?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Sleepless on December 07, 2020, 01:49:19 PM
Either way, I quoted it before you had a chance to correct, so I'll consider that a minor victory on the subject  :finger:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: PinkTeeth on December 08, 2020, 07:21:34 PM
Wait a tick... just bringing this in over from some shout box for clarification...

Sounds like concert films are out?
I too had Stop Making Sense on my list, as well as Fantasia...

Are these not movies anymore?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 08, 2020, 07:29:46 PM
They are movies, yes.  But they're not narratives.  It's like comparing apples and oranges.  As mentioned in the shoutbox, it's kind of the same reasons why documentaries and animated features eventually got their own categories at the Oscars (even though of course they are narratives).  Otherwise, they'd be hopelessly overshadowed.  Concert films live even more on the fringe than those, and they don't even really intersect in any realistic Venn diagram other than that they're movies.  I think ultimately you'd be hard to pressed to find documentaries or animated films crawl their way up on the list, let alone concert films -- or miniseries, a whole other can of worms.

Given as how I wasn't calling the shots back in '04/'06, I would defer to any of the admins still around from then if they have a different opinion.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 08, 2020, 08:55:19 PM
My instinct is to suggest those (concert films, documentaries, animated) could be included. Kind of like you're saying, ono, if they're really good enough to compete with "all movies," more power to them, right?

I think if it's a movie intended to stand on its own, sure, why not. If it's split into episodes like a miniseries or a season of television, that is obviously television and not a movie.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 08, 2020, 09:20:49 PM
Aight, consider my arm twisted.  May the best series of moving images accompanied by sound that isn't arbitrarily cut up into episodes such that it wouldn't realistically be feasible to watch them in one sitting even though it was crafted by an esteemed auteur win.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 08, 2020, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: ono on December 08, 2020, 09:20:49 PMAight, consider my arm twisted.  May the best series of moving images accompanied by sound that isn't arbitrarily cut up into episodes such that it wouldn't realistically be feasible to watch them in one sitting even though it was crafted by an esteemed auteur win.

(Tangent warning.) I know you agree with me on this, but I think a primary reason for excluding seasons of television is that they're cut up into episodes not arbitrarily — but with meaning and for a purpose. That seems screamingly obvious with Twin Peaks The Return, just to choose a random example. Even shows that don't craft episodes individually quite as much, maybe ones that are super-heavily serialized, tend to end an episode on a cliffhanger or a button of some kind, which has its own important significance and is kind of a defining feature of the medium.

I can't even think of a TV show or miniseries that does not have meaningful divisions among episodes. (I'm sure they exist, but they're surely a rare exception.)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: PinkTeeth on December 08, 2020, 10:24:09 PM
HUZZAH!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: PinkTeeth on December 08, 2020, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 08, 2020, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: ono on December 08, 2020, 09:20:49 PMAight, consider my arm twisted.  May the best series of moving images accompanied by sound that isn't arbitrarily cut up into episodes such that it wouldn't realistically be feasible to watch them in one sitting even though it was crafted by an esteemed auteur win.

(Tangent warning.) I know you agree with me on this, but I think a primary reason for excluding seasons of television is that they're cut up into episodes not arbitrarily — but with meaning and for a purpose. That seems screamingly obvious with Twin Peaks The Return, just to choose a random example. Even shows that don't craft episodes individually quite as much, maybe ones that are super-heavily serialized, tend to end an episode on a cliffhanger or a button of some kind, which has its own important significance and is kind of a defining feature of the medium.

I can't even think of a TV show or miniseries that does not have meaningful divisions among episodes. (I'm sure they exist, but they're surely a rare exception.)

I was tempted to put Horace & Pete on my list, but that feels closer to stage than screen... I'm sticking to movies.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 09, 2020, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: PinkTeeth on December 08, 2020, 10:24:09 PM
HUZZAH!


:yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Sleepless on December 09, 2020, 10:58:54 AM
These are the 5 I'd like to champion please:

Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 09, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
Ono I submitted !

Campaigning for this movie above all else -- if you'd like a link to its Cannes Cut edit I can provide it FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVl8khBP3uk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEo0wB9EzY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW2BYamUWME
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 09, 2020, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: ono on December 01, 2020, 02:36:17 PMDon't put "the", "an", "a" before anything.  Instead say, for example: Master, The or Clockwork Orange, A.

I cringe that I wrote this rule once upon a time. Is it okay to break it?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 09, 2020, 12:36:47 PM
The only problem is it will affect alphabetizing.  I guess we can remove the rule and I just have to go back and retroactively fix everyone's entries who has submitted so far. It really doesn't matter too much either way as long as the titles are consistent.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 09, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
Oh. Whatever works best for you is fine, really.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Alethia on December 09, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
SOUTHLAND TALES FTW
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: PinkTeeth on December 09, 2020, 07:11:25 PM
For Yalls Consideration



















& I second the nomination for Stop Making Sense!





Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: jenkins on December 10, 2020, 12:11:43 AM
tbh i wasn't sure if i'd changed my email address (for this account) too but apparently i didn't since i emailed myself about changing my password. like uj i'm not going to participate in this but i'm glad it's happening. you know i'm so attracted to this niche nerdery
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Alethia on December 10, 2020, 09:13:26 AM
Ah just participate! It'll be fun
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: whateverman on December 10, 2020, 09:45:39 AM

Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Alethia on December 10, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
Out of the Blue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CbpeuIR-J0

Killer of Sheep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nXw-8MXhVE

A Nos Amours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAAjtJ-_Aj4

It Happened One Night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4fsS7Fjqzk

Andrei Rublev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1d5FSyMEd8

Come and See

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcCbX1fqFKA

Some Came Running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6DWZiF6V3o

Vagabond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvBQ596Zsqk
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 10, 2020, 10:05:53 PM
Some stats, halfway through the nomination period: 38 movies with 2 or more nominations, and only 2 with 3 or more (and you'd be somewhat surprised what they are).  There's still a ways to go, and I'm sure to get a lot of entries on the last day, but I'd love to see everyone who's at least a little active here play along.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 10, 2020, 10:11:30 PM
You might be surprised at how many of the crew 'r active -- from what I can gather, wilder, reelist, and something spanish got tied up.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Sleepless on December 11, 2020, 09:58:04 AM
Ono, just checking you got my PM. Only I suddenly can't figure out how to view my sent PMs any more. Let me know if I can help out at all in any way. Looking forward to seeing how things are shaping up.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Alethia on December 11, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
In your inbox, on the MESSAGES tab to the left, there should be a dropdown menu with SENT ITEMS at the bottom.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 11, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
It wont save a copy unless you mark the checkbox bottom left of the post-editor before sending off. In case you dont see it in there, Sleepless.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 11, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Up to 7 entries now.  1 film with 4 nominations, 4 with 3.  Thanks everyone who's submitted so far.  I know we probably won't get the same turnout as we did 15 years ago, but I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm so far.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 11, 2020, 11:33:50 AM
Submitted! I almost forgot to include a Solondz or two.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 13, 2020, 10:47:33 AM
Hooray Solondz!

And now presenting... ono's 5-10 films you may not have thunk but really should see:

I would encourage people to continue championing films for the next few days.  One more vote here or there can make the difference between whether it gets nominated or not, and if you put some obscure film no one has heard of on your list, if you don't go to bat for it, it's just wasting that spot.  Plus, this is a great way to learn about stuff you haven't seen.  I'd like to think my perpetual Watchlist is slowly getting smaller, but that will definitely not be the case after this.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: wilberfan on December 13, 2020, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: ono on December 13, 2020, 10:47:33 AM
And now presenting... ono's 5-10 films you may not have thunk but really should see:


  • My Dinner with Andre, by Louis Malle.  One would think catching up with your best friend for two hours wouldn't make the greatest fodder for a film.  But it so does.
  • Before Sunrise, by Richard Linklater.  One of the best romances ever.

A couple of quick reactions:  I have a friend for whom 'Andre' is one of her absolute favorite films.  We saw it together first-run, and while I enjoyed it, too, it's probably near the top of her All Time list.

'Sunrise' was a film that touched me deeply, post death-of-my-fiance, when I ached for the loss of what we had and dreamed of having an encounter as portrayed in the film.  In fact that almost effortless connection mirrored that of fiance and I when we met...
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Alethia on December 13, 2020, 12:31:58 PM
Ono, do you hold the rest of the Before trilogy in the same regard as Sunrise? I haven't seen Midnight myself (I'm scared to) but I remember Sunset skewering my heart when it came out way back when.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Drenk on December 13, 2020, 12:34:23 PM
Sunset is my favorite. But that takes place where I hang. Shakespeare & Co still sell the script.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: ono on December 13, 2020, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: eward on December 13, 2020, 12:31:58 PM
Ono, do you hold the rest of the Before trilogy in the same regard as Sunrise? I haven't seen Midnight myself (I'm scared to) but I remember Sunset skewering my heart when it came out way back when.

Oh yes, most definitely.  Sunset is more urgent, condensed, but still just as powerful.  Midnight is on a whole other level.  Saw it for the first time a couple years ago now, it's all too heartbreaking and real.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: jenkins on December 13, 2020, 01:52:12 PM
when i read Sunrise i think of Murnau of course. Orphans of the Storm, Little Annie Rooney, The General, Metropolis, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Man with a Movie Camera, Browning's Dracula, The Blue Angel, The Rules of the Game, Children of Paradise, Orpheus, Ugetsu, Tokyo Story, Seven Samurai, Pather Panchali, Wild Strawberries, Viridiana, The Leopard, Andrei Rublev

what has happened is i mentioned those movies. i took it up to Tarkovsky, whom i adore and he is emotions first, and if i went moderner i'd list Kiarostami because Taste of Cherry is basically pure emotions, and Goodbye Solo is a contemporary america variation on Taste of Cherry, not to mention that great final line in Cronenberg's Crash, the deepest cut final line i'm aware of, anyway Tarkovsky didn't list silents among his favorite movies because he said cinema hadn't developed as an art form yet. babies haven't developed as humans but you can still understand their tears their smiles and their hunger so i do think Tarkovsky was choosing the wrong perspective there. they may not be old enough to speak but when i want to witness the purely human i go to babies
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: wilder on December 13, 2020, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: eward on December 10, 2020, 11:42:10 AMA Nos Amours

Quote from: eward on December 10, 2020, 11:42:10 AMCome and See

Quote from: PinkTeeth on December 09, 2020, 07:11:25 PMFirst Reformed

Quote from: Robyn on December 06, 2020, 06:48:09 PMPossession

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman on December 11, 2020, 11:33:50 AM
a Solondz

Quote from: jenkins on December 13, 2020, 01:52:12 PMThe Passion of Joan of Arc

Quote from: jenkins on December 13, 2020, 01:52:12 PMCronenberg's Crash


Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: ono on December 15, 2020, 01:15:39 PM
Just a little over 24 hours to get those nominations in, so if you haven't made your list of 40 favorite films, please do so and PM them to me.  Thanks!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: Sleepless on December 15, 2020, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: ono on December 15, 2020, 01:15:39 PM
Just a little over 24 hours to get those nominations in, so if you haven't made your list of 40 favorite films, please do so and PM them to me.  Thanks!

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Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon (Icosicon?)? - NOMINATIONS NOW OPEN!
Post by: Robyn on December 16, 2020, 06:25:02 AM
Quote from: ono on December 11, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Up to 7 entries now.  1 film with 4 nominations

I'm guessing... Buffalo '66 for the surprise (me, eward... drenk, wf?)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: WorldForgot on December 16, 2020, 08:36:04 AM
Not me, sorry. My list was more of a personal Top 40 than a "cinema forum"s top 40 but I tried to meet some of the championed pieces mentioned. (I also was like third or fourth to submit i think if not even earlier).
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: Alethia on December 16, 2020, 08:50:39 AM
Same, despite how much I love it. It's been lingering on my list for years so I decided to give it the axe (along with a number of other titles for similar reasons) in favor of some newer picks.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: ono on December 16, 2020, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Robyn on December 16, 2020, 06:25:02 AM
Quote from: ono on December 11, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Up to 7 entries now.  1 film with 4 nominations

I'm guessing... Buffalo '66 for the surprise (me, eward... drenk, wf?)

No comment yet!  But I *will* say for those of you (polka) who were worried it would just be a repeat of 2006, worry not.

But... I gotta kick some ppl's asses to get off them and send me their nominees.  jenkins!  polka!  c'mon, it won't hurt!  whateverman!  welcome, and come join the games!  Drenk!

JB - do you remember about how many entries you got way back when?  Surely enough that merited like 3 or 4 ppl needing to count them.  But I find it a little sad that Xixax has so few regulars.  Though I haven't posted much in the last year, I've been a lurker, and have never really been away for too long.  Many regulars have disappeared, but I always thought we had more of an influx of more new blood than it has appeared.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: wilberfan on December 16, 2020, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: WorldForgot on December 16, 2020, 08:36:04 AM
My list was more of a personal Top 40 than a "cinema forum"s top 40...
Ditto. Never having played before I'm not even sure what the latter is, so my list is essentially the 40 films I've rewatched the most number of times--which I'm assuming is a primary metric for "favorite"?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 16, 2020, 11:10:13 AM
Quote from: ono on December 16, 2020, 09:52:39 AMJB - do you remember about how many entries you got way back when?  Surely enough that merited like 3 or 4 ppl needing to count them.  But I find it a little sad that Xixax has so few regulars.  Though I haven't posted much in the last year, I've been a lurker, and have never really been away for too long.  Many regulars have disappeared, but I always thought we had more of an influx of more new blood than it has appeared.

There was... a lot. 2001: A Space Odyssey got 30 votes.

Quote from: modage on December 16, 2005, 05:14:40 PMokay thats 35 films with 10+ votes.  6 films with 9 votes.  and 16 films with 8 votes.  which = 57 Films TOTAL.

To state the obvious, all message boards took a hit with the rise of social media. I think the only ones that are big anymore are connected to other websites.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: jenkins on December 16, 2020, 12:17:01 PM
ono it's a cool thing to do though
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE DEC 16 11:59 PM PST
Post by: whateverman on December 16, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
wish I had the time to compile something, but school decided to give me all of the shit to do over the holidays...
My list  would probably look something like this tho:  40% keitel, 20% musicals, 20% scifi and 20% period drama. So not very xixax friendly perhaps
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 16, 2020, 02:06:24 PM
Nah that sounds delightful!

sci fi musical candidate:
https://youtu.be/IW2BYamUWME?t=186

;p
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Post by: Alethia on December 16, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
Seconding "sounds delightful" !
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Post by: jenkins on December 16, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
i fully support the Southland Tales endeavor not solely because but enormously related to we continue to be variations of the same person and we are both pisces after all and you did offer to provide the cannes cut but you see that's over two and a half hours long and based on my viewing tendencies it'd take me three weeks to finish it, i gotta theater it eventually
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 17, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: jenkins on December 16, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
i fully support the Southland Tales endeavor not solely because but enormously related to we continue to be variations of the same person and we are both pisces after all and you did offer to provide the cannes cut but you see that's over two and a half hours long and based on my viewing tendencies it'd take me three weeks to finish it, i gotta theater it eventually

Lol! Itz always fun though to hear your developing thoughts in the shoutbox on 1 film over the course of a week or two. Glad you're posting again, amigo, and hope you're doin' aight. As you say: it'll be ok.

Submissions may be closed but ANYONE WHO WANTZ SOUTHLAND TALES CANNES CUT the offer alwayz there ~
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: ono on December 17, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
The nominations are in!  Please see the first page.

Thanks to everyone who has participated so far, and enjoy phase 2!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 17, 2020, 05:31:18 PM
Dang that's a good list.

Especially happy with FWWM, Dancer, Dogville, EWS. And Palindromes! Can't believe that got through.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: Alethia on December 17, 2020, 05:41:12 PM
Good list, yet all but 3 are directed by white men. (I am not impervious to blame here tbc)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: ono on December 17, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
Hey, I nominated Lost in Translation, Yes, Morvern Callar... yeah, I'm out.  I don't think that's so much problematic of us as it is the industry as a whole.
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Post by: pynchonikon on December 17, 2020, 06:05:50 PM
I guess it's about time to watch Buffalo '66, Palindromes, Southland Tales and the Terrorizers (which I should have already seen since I'm a big Yang fan). Nice list.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - NOMINATIONS CLOSE @ 11:59 PM PST!
Post by: jenkins on December 17, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
the list is reflective of you guys, not world cinema. certainly not art cinema. i'm not blasting that, it's shockingly exactly what i expected, but it's definitely healthy to acknowledge that. just be like "yes this is who i am and what i like" rather than making it sound like everyone else is the problem
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Alma on December 18, 2020, 08:22:51 AM
How many people voted in the end? It's kind of funny that even though it's a "favourites" list not a "best" list, a lot of the picks are fairly expected. I would imagine the final 20 will not be that different from most "best films" lists made by magazines etc., with maybe a handful of exceptions. Only two of my choices made it, although I'm happy they did as they're definitely near the top of my list (Morvern Callar and Fire Walk With Me). Congrats to Lynne Ramsay for being the only woman who made it, lmao. Kubrick, Anderson (obv), Lynch, Coppola, Von Trier and Tarantino have more films each on the list than women do in total. Looking forward to checking out the ones I've not seen.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 18, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Nomination Battlez Lost:
Body Double,
Love Letter,
Moonrise Kingdom,
Passion of Joan of Arc,
Possession,
Scream,
Sherman's March,
Stop Making Sense,
---
we shall try again next time around the reel!

(also btw I nominated a handful of female directed joints ((and Brian De Palma filmz lmao)) that didn't make it thru, so I'm assuming most of us did and they were just too scattershot to have enuff for this round?)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 18, 2020, 10:22:38 AM
Scattershot, yes, which is why campaigning and participation are so important.  Body Double got 2 nominations.  Basically, if a film got 3 nominations, it's in.  There were 96 films with 2+ nominations.  365 unique films nominated.

Quote from: Alma on December 18, 2020, 08:22:51 AM
How many people voted in the end? It's kind of funny that even though it's a "favourites" list not a "best" list, a lot of the picks are fairly expected. I would imagine the final 20 will not be that different from most "best films" lists made by magazines etc., with maybe a handful of exceptions. Only two of my choices made it, although I'm happy they did as they're definitely near the top of my list (Morvern Callar and Fire Walk With Me). Congrats to Lynne Ramsay for being the only woman who made it, lmao. Kubrick, Anderson (obv), Lynch, Coppola, Von Trier and Tarantino have more films each on the list than women do in total. Looking forward to checking out the ones I've not seen.

13 participants in the first round.  I like to think of it as a favorites/best composite.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 18, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
I SHOULDA CAMPAIGNED FOR YOU, JAKE SCULLY.
Holly Body forgive me...
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: wilberfan on December 18, 2020, 11:49:29 AM
If nothing else, the list got me to check out MORVERN CALLAR so far.  An interesting film, to be sure, but it wouldn't crack my Top 500 at any point.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Alma on December 18, 2020, 11:52:19 AM
Ah I totally would have voted for Body Double  :doh:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 18, 2020, 12:42:31 PM
Next time -_-
Next time we'll act!!!!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 01:31:40 PM
it's funny the other Anderson didn't make it

i look forward to seeing the nominees ranked. it's fun
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 18, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
Yeah i was hoping Resident Evil: Retribution would make it thru too  :doh:
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
honestly my jaw dropped when i didn't see it on the list
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 18, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
Seriously though, I nominated Moonrise Kingdom.  I think only one other person mentioned Wes Anderson.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 02:14:42 PM
outside social politics, purely cinematically, the list needs more asian. Yang represent but immabout to drop my Forgot About WKW mixtape. Koreeda ain't gotta sweat it so i'll do the sweating for him. those who know know Johnnie To but how does not everyone know. Ming-liang, Hsao-hsien, Sangsoo has two fucking movies on the cahiers du cinema 2020 but y'all been sleep sleep sleeping on him. etc
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 18, 2020, 02:20:24 PM
I think i nominated two Shunji Iwais but I totally agree. For me Hong Sangsoo iz a master of naturalism. We lackin on foreign cinema picks defo, I texted one of my lurker friends that he shoulda shown up for Tarkovsky and I shoulda tried harder for Almodovar ~
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: wilberfan on December 18, 2020, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: ono on December 18, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
Seriously though, I nominated Moonrise Kingdom.

I love that film...
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 18, 2020, 03:08:28 PM
You didn't play, jenkins!

And I had two Ki-duk Kim.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
lol y'all did great. my personal list wouldn't go past
1939 so i'm just being conversational
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 18, 2020, 04:34:31 PM
If I may humbly opine...

Dancer In The Dark and Dogville are absolute must-haves. We also shouldn't forget our love for PDL, Barry Lyndon, Mulholland Drive, and Eyes Wide Shut.

In exchange, I would totally understand if movies like Inland Empire and Palindromes don't end up on our final list.

I would ask for people to find a place for Fire Walk With Me in their hearts, but I don't want to be greedy.

Vertigo is meh (https://xixax.com/index.php?topic=13961.msg361855#msg361855).
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
because i haven't seen Breaking the Waves in so long i'm not able to answer the question i'm asking: how did Dancer in the Dark surpass it? they're both grief porn but Dancer in the Dark is a more elaborate enterprise with greater creative flourishes?
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 18, 2020, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: WorldForgot on December 18, 2020, 10:47:47 AMI SHOULDA CAMPAIGNED FOR YOU, JAKE SCULLY.

I read this as "Jake Sully" and agree. Avatar was robbed.
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Post by: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 05:53:38 PM
i'll take it that you took it as rhetorical
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Post by: PinkTeeth on December 19, 2020, 12:21:57 AM
Quote from: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
because i haven't seen Breaking the Waves in so long i'm not able to answer the question i'm asking: how did Dancer in the Dark surpass it? they're both grief porn but Dancer in the Dark is a more elaborate enterprise with greater creative flourishes?

Being that it's a Bjork Musical is what gives it that edge in my opine
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Post by: jenkins on December 19, 2020, 01:05:39 AM
this sounds like me: i want to rewatch Breaking the Waves and rediscover its philosophical shape. the philosophical shape of Dancer in the Dark is rather, you know, slender. there's a good person and a bad person and it's all so like spiritually sweat inducing, it's too much, it's agonizing. i feel as if subtler, more complex shades might exist in Breaking the Waves, but i can't remember

lol i'm anti promoting that movie sorry. when else are we going to talk about these movies
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Post by: PinkTeeth on December 19, 2020, 02:25:07 AM
Hear hear!
Im glad his work's being talked about, that crazy danish bastard
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Post by: Axolotl on December 19, 2020, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: jenkins on December 18, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
lol y'all did great. my personal list wouldn't go past
1939 so i'm just being conversational
You don't mean that. You're just being abrasive i think.

Re: dancer in the dark. I think the depths of bad things happening to good people is worth exploring to its logical conclusion which the movie did while being beautifully musical.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 19, 2020, 09:17:43 PM
oh really because here's the only letterboxd list i've ever made. (https://letterboxd.com/themenubutton/list/heavy-shredders-from-1924-to-1934/) and I talk about this often

everything is worth exploring and I like some movies more than others. what I'm saying is consistent with my character--downer stuff isn't my thing, and I'm not accepting the whole downer "while being beautifully musical" concept. um you know I hope I'm going into fair fights here but you're a serious crowd based on the movies you like. we're just talking about movies
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Post by: Axolotl on December 19, 2020, 09:26:04 PM
Of course i know you're legit. I just think that's a silly thing to say in response to a common denominator list. Sort of seems like bragging.
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Post by: jenkins on December 19, 2020, 09:35:37 PM
in the context of the conversation it was stated as the reason i didn't submit a list and it's accurate. apparently this is a product of it sounding like bragging. i just watch a lot of movies
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Axolotl on December 19, 2020, 09:38:33 PM
You should have submitted a list. Would have led to a lot of movies you like being in the final 40 including a bunch of asian films.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on December 19, 2020, 09:48:27 PM
This thread (and more importantly, this voting/discussion process) is getting a bit derailed, so I'm going to step in here as a moderator to prevent further derailment.

I think we can move on from discussing what should have been nominated (or the extent to which our tastes are distinguished) and instead discuss the topic at hand, which is choosing films from the list of nominations.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 19, 2020, 09:57:20 PM
thank you

if it was unclear earlier: I don't believe Breaking the Waves should have been nominated over Dancer in the Dark, I'm just not a fan of Dancer in the Dark and I think its limited although intense perspective disqualifies it from deserving a spot among films chosen as the best and most favorable of all time. this is picking a single movie for conversation, from a further list supplied by jb in relation to his opinions about the nominations. I am not trying to dismantle anyone's sense of self so much as I am trying to speak of the concept of this list. I am overall and consistently appreciative of this entire enterprise launched by ono with good intensions and for community spirit

ah the internet. you're all great, everything is fine
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Axolotl on December 19, 2020, 10:08:23 PM
Campaigning for:

Buffalo '66 - peak cinema
Come and See: what every war movie like 1917 will try to be but fail to reach even 5% of what made it it. Anti-hollywood.
Morvern Callar: it's even better than you remember. Just rewatched it. The soundtrack on its own is insane.
The Terrorizers: stumbling upon the wall of photographs was one of the most thrilling moments in my moviewatching career
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: WorldForgot on December 20, 2020, 11:48:34 AM
Although I personally appreciate Breaking the Waves more than Dancer in the Dark (its religious voracity, the isolation of the location, and painting interludes strike me more) gonna say out of these noms I'll totes  campaign for Dancer in the Dark -- this iz one of the first LVT'z my dad showed me over a decade ago, that it means something to him means something to me.

I've only seen it twice -- and remember more from DitD beat-for-beat than I do from some flicks I've seen more than one hand can count. It's imprinted onto me as if part of her working machine.
Some films achieve their power not only from whats on screen but the atmosphere that it imbues around it.

Mulholland Drive
Southland Tales
Twin Peaks: Fire With Me

Richard Kelly cites going to see FWWM with a dozed off date as the moment that sparked his entire cinematic mind. Obviously then emulates this date within a Donnie Darko scene.

Three totalizing pictures of a larger, violent, societal whole. Swirling in the surreal and tinged w/ unique humor. Over, say Chinatown, I'm gonna vote for movies that coulda only come at one time from a crew's unifying aesthetic off the beaten path. Like Chinatown definitely iz that good, but I've gotta trim somehow! And cuz obvi I'm hurt y'all dont think Tromeo & Juliet belonged on here ;) Of course my personal tuff list of twenty includes The Terrorizers and The Thing.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 20, 2020, 12:22:32 PM
you guys aren't alone with your Dancer in the Dark fondness and it's not as if i can't imagine why. it's not even in my top three LvT but that's not a real life problem

Do the Right Thing is the one on the list that stands out to me. and The Godfather. it's not my type of list but i do look forward to seeing how it all turns out
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 27, 2020, 03:36:12 PM
We're a little more than halfway home with about half of the participants from the first round having submitted their votes.  Still plenty of time to watch, campaign, and submit your ballots before Thursday night's deadline!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 31, 2020, 07:31:33 AM
Got a little less than 24 hours to go and there are still a few people who haven't submitted their ballots.  Let's go!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on December 31, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
you know I'm just bumping this for ono. even if you didn't do the first round the list is there on the first page and you could rank it I'm sure ono wouldn't mind
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on December 31, 2020, 04:44:32 PM
Yes, thank you.  You don't have to have nominated anything to vote now.  There are still 3 people who nominated who haven't submitted final ballots, too.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Alethia on December 31, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Quote from: ono on December 31, 2020, 04:44:32 PM
There are still 3 2 people who nominated who haven't submitted final ballots, too.

:)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on January 01, 2021, 01:25:35 PM
it's not 2021 til the list arrives. tbh even if it was just two people that would be interesting too. i think it's a fun thing ono. sleepless and jb might have to cook up a different kind of annual thing this year. Literally Anything Good About 2020

i'll get my reactions out of the way: okay i'm trying to be nice here so i won't focus on bunch of bullshit. two or three selections make me smile and one reminds me of my old friend greg because he liked that movie. that and that is interesting and oh and oh about this and this. yeah yeah yeah about whatever and of course about that coming. props to you all the participants are my favorites
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Robyn on January 01, 2021, 02:51:16 PM
It's so weird to see Southland Tales on it and I love it lol

Overall it's a decent list. Would love to see all the data once it's over!  Like a list of all the films that got nominated, etc
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on January 01, 2021, 03:24:06 PM
I am currently in the process of tabulating things.  What's hard is, there are some films that got a lot of mentions but were ranked very low (so it's almost as if they were put on there as an afterthought), and there were some films that got few mentions, but were ranked high.  So I'm trying to strike a balance between those two cases, and make the weights that everyone gave their lists have merit too.  Simply doing a straight tally of the votes leads to some weird results that may not be as accurate a representation as we'd like.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 01, 2021, 03:26:21 PM
Yeah. I think weighting it based on ranking makes a lot of sense. (That was my assumption anyway.)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: wilberfan on January 01, 2021, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: ono on January 01, 2021, 03:24:06 PM
Simply doing a straight tally of the votes leads to some weird results that may not be as accurate a representation as we'd like.

Seeing the results of the various tabulation models could be an interesting "Extras" on Disc 2.  You should share them, at some point.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on January 01, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
Most definitely.  :)
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: jenkins on January 01, 2021, 05:49:04 PM
was going to say i wonder where Taxi Driver will end up but it didn't make it. not a single Martin Scorsese movie made it! three Coppolas did! my my my
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN!
Post by: Alethia on January 01, 2021, 05:52:01 PM
I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE RESULTS ARE IN!
Post by: ono on January 01, 2021, 07:27:41 PM
The results are in!  Please see page 1.  Thanks to Sleepless for all of his awesome work on the banners and commemorative desktop wallpaper!
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE RESULTS ARE IN!
Post by: wilberfan on January 01, 2021, 08:43:15 PM
I like it. 

As I slowly scrolled down, the first two choices made me go, "Wow" -- in a good way.
Title: Re: How about a 2020 Xixax Dekapenticon? - THE RESULTS ARE IN!
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 01, 2021, 09:41:52 PM
Oh my. What a list!

Never would have guessed Dogville at #9. And FWWM and #10? I didn't even expect that to make the list. Wow.

Very happy Godfather II eeked through, too.