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Release Date: July 2nd, 2004 (limited release)
Cast: Ethan Hawke (Jesse), Julie Delpy (Celine)
Director: Richard Linklater (Before Sunrise, The School of Rock, Slacker, Waking Life, Dazed and Confused)
Screenwriter: Richard Linklater (Slacker, Dazed and Confused), Julie Delpy (Looking for Jimmy), Ethan Hawke (screenwriting debut)
Based Upon: This is the sequel to the 1995 film, Before Sunrise, also directed by Richard Linklater and starring Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy. Their characters also appeared together (in bed) in a sequence in Linklater animated (and philosophy-soaked) drama, Waking Life.
Premise: Nine years after he first met and hung out with her for a single night, American author Jesse (Hawke) once again meets up with Celine (Delpy) in Paris while there on a book tour.
I really need to see Before Sunrise...
Me too, and i really like this poster.
If I had a second chance, I'd brain Ethan Hawke and steal sweet Julie Delpy away. And I sure as hell wouldn't waste two hours of my life on another Linklater movie...
i'm kinda torn between this film. i love BEFORE SUNRISE! its currently number 7 on my all time top 10 list. so i love love love this film. i'm kinda excited to see another linklater/hakwe/delpy film but i really loved how BEFORE sunrise ended....
SPOILER!!!!!
i really like how "up in the air" ending of the first film. i like to think that they don't meet up again in 6 months. (although i'm wrong because of WAKING LIFE) i like how interesting and romantic one perfect day with another person can be. and if they extent that perfect day to another day than it makes it less perfect. oh well, i'll probably see this new linklater film and love it.
Quote from: EEz28Me too, and i really like this poster.
Second on the poster.
I've never seen Before Sunrise either. I'll have to check it out.
i heart richard linklater and julie deply. could go either way with ethan hawke, but i'll check it out regardless
ethan hawke owes America an apology for breaking the heart of Uma.
Quote from: peteethan hawke owes America an apology for breaking the heart of Uma.
He ows an apology to the world of cinema when he criticised Kubrick for doing many takes in The Shining.
He owes an apology to me for not returning my calls after that one night stand two summers ago.
He owes me an apology for when I was talking to him once and he was like "--Could you throw me my keys?" and I was like "Yeah. Sure." but i was seriously RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of a sentence when he said it and i forgot what i was talking about. And he didn't even bring it up on the way to his house. I kept on sighing like something was wrong and he just ignored me. Then halfway there, he turns on the radio and pulls down his window and starts humming. What a shithead.
i didnt care for before sunrise that much. this poster is okay. its funny that even meandering-character-based-dialoguedriven-'indie'-type films now have sequels.
Saw Before Sunrise tonight. I really liked it. I'm a bit torn with this, as I'd like to know what happens but it could very well ruin the first one.
I rented Before Sunrise this weekend and I liked it, for the most part. Jesse began to annoy the shit out of me though. I dunno how Celine did it, I don't think I could spend 24 hours with this guy talking non-stop, and yet she does it again!
But it was funny and I'll have to see Waking Life and Sunset now.
And it'll be interesting to see how Linklater's Antoine and Christine turns out. Hopefully it won't end in another 'Love on the Run.'
Quote from: peteethan hawke owes America an apology for breaking the heart of Uma.
You owe me an apology for saying something so silly.
Trailer (http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/0-9ABC/Before-Sunset/trailer-page.html)
Looks good to me! And "El Duderino"... nice quick application of the Simpsons quotation.
Quote from: matt35mmnice quick application of the Simpsons quotation.
thanks, it was either that or "I told this to Shatner and I'm telling it to you...I
don't date men with
pie on their faces."
I went out to try to find Before Sunrise last night on DVD, and the three stores that I went to didn't have it -- I guess everyone's trying to catch up before the sequel?
So I saw Before Sunset this morning, and I loved it. Loved loved loved it. The entire movie is in real time, one long conversation that has a desperate bit of urgency to it, as if this little bit of time is all these characters will ever have together and they need to say everything they need to, and it all just pours out and doesn't stop. It was like Waking Life with a narrower conversational focus, which left me feeling linked intrinscially not so much to the characters but what they were saying and feeling. I have a feeling that ten years from now, there may be a person I'll have a conversation like this with. There's one physical aspect of the film, a gesture Delpy makes at one point, that is just about heartbreaking.
Of course, the questions left hanging by the first film are now answered for me -- but I can tell that this one is written in such a way to maintain that ambiguity. There's no spoonfeeding or sloppy exposition.
Glad to hear it! Looking very much forward to it.
I saw a double feature today of Before Sunrise and Before Sunset, and the latter is now my favorite film of the year. I couldn't believe I'd never seen Before Sunrise before...I loved it so much, and then to see the sequel immediately thereafter was just...I don't know...rapturous.
I'll be seeing it a third time opening day. I can't wait.
EDIT: finished my full review (http://www.road-dog-productions.com/beforesunset.html).
EDIT #2: after having it posted on AICN, I was alerted to the fact that I revealed some spoiler information in my review. Which is true. So read with caution.
I'm seeing this tonight. I rented Before Sunrise a couple of weeks ago, so it's still fresh in my mind.
It's getting great reviews all around, so Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind might have some stiff competition for #1 of the year (so far).
yeah before sunset is quite quite wonderful. it just never stopped and kept on building up. woohoo!
the ending was just so beautiful. it sucked that ebert and roeper had to give away a little bit of it.
Yeah...I thought it was cute, but slight. Saw it a few months ago. My problem, all things considered, is that I don't feel there ever should have been a sequel in the first place. Part of what made the original special was its open ending.
I liked that Linklater was trying to deal with adult issues for the first time, but I still couldn't help feeling that this film had no need to exist.
*kinda hinted spoiler*
but this film first discusses the first film's open ending, and then moves on to its own open ending, which I loved. it was "slight" in that it took place in two hours and their lives didn't seem to change as much, but it was because they were now cynical and afraid and such.
Yeah, I got that. That's why I said it was interesting that he was dealing with adult themes. I still felt there was no need for it to ever have been made though.
Bleh, movies never come to Cracksonville. Dogville never came and this won't either, I'm predicting.
Perfect. Just plain perfect.
I just got a hold of the first one, and watched it for the first time a couple of days ago. Really good. I was thinking about it yesterday, thinking that making that kind of an ending work and having their dialouge and reactions seem believable for two people who've known each other no more than a single day, that takes good writing/acting (directing? :P). Sunrise pulled it off smoothly.
Quote from: Withnailthat takes good writing/acting (directing? :P).
Oh MY yes. Linklater's my hero...
My order of Before Sunrise just shipped today so I should get that soon. I plan on watching it again before driving out a long way to see Before Sunset (damn limited release...).
there were a few recurring Linklater traits in there. The realtime, no extradiagetic music thing was first experimented in Tape (also with Ethan Hawke), and the monologue in the beginning of the movie by Jesse as a reference to the film was reminiscent of Waking Life when Souderbergh and some other dude were discussing the non-narrative nature of the film. And also there was a reference about how time was just an illusion.
I absolutely love this movie. I'm going to see it again soon. I've never seen a movie that so genuinely made me feel that surrealness of seeing someone after nine years like that. I mean, I had only recently seen Before Sunrise and yet I still FELT that nine years, and I felt the lives they had led (as they fairly vividly describe them).
It was like meeting up with old friends again myself. And even though the movie is just talking (it looks nice, too, that helps), the dialogue is so good and comes so fast that I was hooked every minute. I could probably watch it over and over again. It's just very very enjoyable. I was quite satisfied.
It finally arrived at my town and I saw it last night. My face hurt from smiling so much throughout the movie. Definitely my favorite film so far this year. I'll really be pushing come Academy Awards time for best actor/actress noms for Hawke and Delpy. The interaction and just sheer acting power of those solid 3 (maybe 4) minutes shots is astounding.
Yes. I plan on seeing it again soon as it also opened near me.
It really does make you smile a lot. And when I say it's "romantic," which it is, I have to be careful not to make it sound sappy. They never (in either movie) say "I love you." In fact, in Before Sunset, there's a surprising amount of bitterness and cynicism--it's in some ways quite a harsh movie, not the soft and bubbly movie that some might think--but it's romantic because there is never a second of doubt that these two people love each other to death. That's the brilliance of the writing and the acting: the love simply shows through.
And I swear Julie Delpy looks even more beautiful in this movie than she did in Before Sunrise.
Quote from: matt35mmAnd I swear Julie Delpy looks even more beautiful in this movie than she did in Before Sunrise.
She sure did. But I'm not into French fatties.
So I saw this last night and thought it so good that I needed to end my leave of absense just to come back and talk about how it was so good. I may even like this one more than the first - at least in the sense that I felt more attached to them this time around, though that might be just because I've already met them in Sunrise. And I was amazed with how quick that hour and half went. By the end it felt like it was only 45 minutes or so.
***SPOILER***
It's funny, this time I want to know what happens after the fact much more than I did after the first. Are they finally getting together? Is he ever going to get on the plane? I want there to be another sequel, dammit.
***END SPOILER***
You were on a leave of absense?
THERE MAY BE SPOILERS IN THIS POST, I DUNNO
Anyway, I've seen Sunrise and Sunset twice each, and I've decided that I like Sunset more. It appeals to me more, it goes deeper into who these people are and what they feel for each other. It looks more beautiful and flows better (this is just because they're more accomplished filmmakers now).
In Sunrise, there was the sense of just meeting, and they were communicating their history and ideas. In Sunset, towards the end a genuine sense of urgency takes over (in the car) and for the first time, their deepest feelings are communicated.
Mostly, though, I think it's because Sunset has the benefit of perspective. It worked on the level of where they are now in life, and played off the level of where they were in life 9 years ago. They're wiser, they have more to say. They have less time together, so they're more to-the-point now. Even though the movie is only 80 mins long, there is enough dialogue here for 5 movies, and yet I feel that each line of dialogue is important and not wasted. Even in their more casual discussions, there's a sense of intimacy that's developed at a rapid pace, and every line of dialogue develops our sense of their character even more. They're more real towards each other now--cutting through all the BS--and not afraid to show how bitter and unhappy they have been at times. That's where this movie becomes surprisingly emotional and effective--when all their guards are let down. That never happens in Before Sunrise.
The movie is lean and fast, very nimble. No one talks that much in real life. No one goes 80 minutes without pausing for 10 seconds. I don't believe that there is a pause in dialogue longer than 10 seconds here, and it's all in "real-time." And yet it all feels correct--this is mostly the skill of the writers, actors, and the director (all the same 3 people), and the editor.
That's what makes this movie very watchable. There's not a boring moment--every second of this movie is spent with them. And it's pretty. So I love this movie, and I love it more than Before Sunrise. I even have the poster in my room taped to the wall (got that a few days ago). Awesome poster. Awesome movie.
if i could make love to this movie, i would.
I'll trade you a Collateral poster I got from the sneak preview for the Before Sunset poster. :P
Quote from: ewardif i could make love to this movie, i would.
There are sprocket holes in reels.
Wow, eward, MacGuffin just made a pretty big assumption about your manhood!
For the record, a better option would be to consider the hole at the center of the reel before its unspooled. It's about two inches in diameter.
Quote from: Chest RockwellI'll trade you a Collateral poster I got from the sneak preview for the Before Sunset poster. :P
Nah man, I loves my Before Sunset poster!
P.S. How did this Before Sunset thread become a How-To on having sex with films?
P.P.S. I also told someone that I would have sex with this movie if I could a while ago. Interesting... I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one that had that idea.
i love you guys
I'm so fucking jealous of all of you. My stupid fucking town has no class, so it's all about Harold and Kumar (no I'm not going to see it, because no I don't smoke weed).
I just hopped on the bitter bus and I'm taking me a ride... :evil:
But... but I'm going see Harold and Kumar (hopefully). What are you saying about my character? I don't smoke weed, either.
I just hopped on the confusion bus and I have no idea where I'm headed. :?:
Quote from: ewardi love you guys
More than the film?
not more, but in a very different way
Quote from: matt35mmBut... but I'm going see Harold and Kumar (hopefully). What are you saying about my character? I don't smoke weed, either.
That was more of a reference to the character of my town. All I've heard about at work is how: "Harold and Kumar was so funny, and I was so fucking high!"
We all know I'm not the anti-drug. Just read my thread... although I do seem to condemn weed... oh Thrindle and her hypocracies...
Quote from: ewardnot more, but in a very different way
You have lots of love to give.
:P
Warner has officially announced Before Sunset which stars Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy. This Richard Linklater directed romantic comedy, will be available to own from the 9th November this year, and should set you back somewhere in the region of $27.95. No details yet on whether or not extra material will be included. The film itself will be presented in 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen along with both English and French Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround tracks.
YAY!!
I tried to find some info on when it would be out on DVD, and November 9th is a little sooner than I expected, so thanks for the great news, Mac!
cool story. ive been looking all over my town and towns outside it in various borders, fye's, coconuts, etc to try to find a dvd copy of before sunrise and it was impossible to find. just impossible. so i had decided to order it off amazon, which i generally dont like doing because i have to wait for it to arrive. so the other night i was at friendly's with two of my friends, having coffee (we dont do starbucks or any of that shit) and some finger foods, and one of them decided to pay for me because i drive him around alot and ive never asked him for gas money. so, since i had a few extra bucks on me, i said that i would be right back, and i ran across the very busy street to my local borders, to pick up a moderately priced movie (i get urges sometimes). i run in, out of breath, a few people look at me and laugh and ask if i am okay, i give them a thumbs up and keep walking, looking around, 'which one, which one', when WABAAM i look down and fucking BEFORE SUNRISE is sitting there, looking gorgeous. mind you, i had checked this borders many many times and there was nothing nothing nothing. the other three borders in counties surrounding mine were lacking it as well. i had just enough money, so i bought it, ran back, and sucked down free refills of coffee and had some wonderful and free cheese quasedillas. a very nice evening.
however i don't think i will have an adventure that big in my purchasing of the sequel come november (nor will i run across any damn streets to get it for it is fucking cold here 'round that time o' year)
Quote from: ewardcool story. ive been looking all over my town and towns outside it in various borders, fye's, coconuts, etc to try to find a dvd copy of before sunrise and it was impossible to find. just impossible. so i had decided to order it off amazon, which i generally dont like doing because i have to wait for it to arrive. so the other night i was at friendly's with two of my friends, having coffee (we dont do starbucks or any of that shit) and some finger foods, and one of them decided to pay for me because i drive him around alot and ive never asked him for gas money. so, since i had a few extra bucks on me, i said that i would be right back, and i ran across the very busy street to my local borders, to pick up a moderately priced movie (i get urges sometimes). i run in, out of breath, a few people look at me and laugh and ask if i am okay, i give them a thumbs up and keep walking, looking around, 'which one, which one', when WABAAM i look down and fucking BEFORE SUNRISE is sitting there, looking gorgeous. mind you, i had checked this borders many many times and there was nothing nothing nothing. the other three borders in counties surrounding mine were lacking it as well. i had just enough money, so i bought it, ran back, and sucked down free refills of coffee and had some wonderful and free cheese quasedillas. a very nice evening.
Too bad you'll have to double dip when they will probably announce a Spec. Ed. in connection with the sequel's release.
yeah i know, but the movies worth it.
So I finally saw this film and I must say, this is true cinema.
Spoilers ahead, folks.
Linklater films this effortlessly and it's really as if we're right there with them.. following them along as they catch up on nine years apart.
Not sure why mutinyco said there's no reason for this to be made. The characters are wiser now and have developed. Just because they have the same beliefs on things doesn't mean they're the same people. And Delpy's monologue about Hawke taking all of the love she had.. that made us take the sequel on a more serious level.
But the payoff in the end... holy shit, I said something aloud when it faded to black. I think I just gasped real loud, shocked that it ended perfectly the way I wanted it to. I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. As the credits rolled, I had a deep amount of love for the characters. There was so much natural human emotion displayed in that 80 minutes that it was almost too much to take. Prime example being Delpy in the car wanting to touch Hawke's hair and then pulls back right before he turns around.
Loved this film. Right at the top as one of the best of the year.
Agreed.
Can't wait till this comes out on DVD on November 9th (which is actually not too far away from now!) This is a film with a lot of dialogue that is not only watchable, but very re-watchable. The replay value is pretty high for me. I hope it does well in DVD sales for that reason.
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so, i saw this movie tonite after a brief flirtation with going to see it in theatres which yielded no fruit. and despite it getting pretty universally praised on here i had no real expectation for it to do anything for me, because i dont remember liking the first one too much and have not cared for linklaters talkier films like Waking Life and Slacker. i just cant stand listening to a bunch of college essays being spoken by 'characters' that dont mean anything to me. it bores the shit out of me and that was part of what got on my nerves about the first film. its just these two people talking about all the usual linklater 'issues', and as true as it may be, that people that age really are more interested in that stuff, it doesnt mean i want to watch a movie about it. so, going into this, i had all these factors working against it. and yet, i was optimistic as i usually am when i go into a film like this (von triers, dgg's) that the film will somehow win me over and change my mind.
the film won me over. and as you can see above, i was not an easy sell. from the opening minutes i went from briefly going 'oh god, ethan hawke in another one of these parts', to just being totally wrapped up in what was going to happen. and although not much did, i was completely gripped. the way the characters interacted and slowly revealed the all their secrets and the history of what had happened was so natural and not forced. even the way the movie managed to bring up these grander issues about life or love, didnt seem pretentious at all, but this time... natural. an AMAZING feat for linklater in my eyes, because all of a sudden, i cared.
when hawke said he didnt go to meet her in the opening moments, i knew immediately he was lying. i could see it all over his face, and it was perfect. and when delpy said she 'didnt remember' whether or not they made love, was so true to the bizarre workings of the female mind. why on earth would someone say this? but it was true. the way all of their stories were revealed was just great. not spelled out all at once through expository statements, but slowly throughout the whole film in half truths and gut wrenching honesty.
towards the final 20 minutes of the film, my heart remained in the pit of my stomach. knowing that it was coming to an end and knowing that he was definitely getting on that plane. the ending, although ambiguous, was sort of great. which is another REALLY tough thing to nail without feeling cheated. and even after the film, which still just seems so slight, because it was only two people talking for a few hours filmed. i dont know that i can say it was a 'great movie', but i know that i really liked it and i guess thats the magic of it. and thats probably the biggest surprise of the year.
probably the funniest review of the year.
Now I've gotta see this movie just so I can read that review.
Quote from: Cinephileprobably the funniest review of the year.
understatement of the year.
i dont see how its that funny.
Quote from: themodernage02i dont see how its that funny.
i think cinephile was purposely overrating ur post. for his own twisted purposes :| .
looking at ur sig, and samsong's reply, maybe it's hyperbole day.
for what it's worth, i don't think it was even in the top 50 of ur own reviews.
My logical mind tells me that a movie where two people just walk and talk for 80 minutes should not be this fucking great. But damn it, it is.
When Julie said 'I used to live on 11th and Broadway,' I burst into tears. And God, don't get me started on that scene in the car... Wow.
So yeah, I liked it.
Sigh... what a beautiful birthday present (today is my 21st). It's not very often that the screen is blessed with art... at least not lately it seems. To capture, and recreate a feeling is (in my opinon) the beauty behind art. It is one of the most difficult things in the world to express a moment with all of it's complexities and truths, and yet this movie did it.
MINI SPOILER????
The look on Ethan Hawke's face at the end of the movie, when he says, "I know" was perfect.
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Quote from: ThrindleSigh... what a beautiful birthday present (today is my 21st).
Happy Birthday. Almost the same day as mine (I turned 22 on the 13th).
I absolutely loved this movie. One of the best endings I've seen in a long time. I would rank this as the second best movie of the year, behind Eternal Sunshine. Also, it's an addition to the short list of sequels that surpass the first installment. This makes me want to revisit Linklater's earlier work. I saw Dazed and Confused and Suburbia when I was in ninth grade (I think . . .). I loved Dazed and hated Suburbia. I'll make sure to rent both of them soon, as well as Waking Life, etc.
Is there talk of another sequel? (if this topic has been covered, it's just because I'm a lazy reader)
Quote from: ThrindleIs there talk of another sequel? (if this topic has been covered, it's just because I'm a lazy reader)
They talk about wanting to do about four of them on the Making Of, but I don't know how concrete that plan is.
Quote from: MacGuffinThey talk about wanting to do about four of them on the Making Of, but I don't know how concrete that plan is.
Well at least I can trust Linklater will make them good.. I guess he wants to film the characters dying together.. as if we need that closure or something. Before Sunset *should* be the end of it. But I'll deal.
Quote from: UncleJoeyI would rank this as the second best movie of the year, behind Eternal Sunshine.
right now its in my top 3. i hadn't looked in this thread or seen the original before going into this, so it was a wonderful surprise. so far, one big dissapointment for me this year (shaun of the dead) matched by 2 terrific surprises (baadassss, this). awsome
Quote from: UncleJoeyI'll make sure to rent both of them soon, as well as Waking Life, etc.
Renting Waking Life has the additional benefit of another Jesse/Celine scene in the dreamworld.
I saw Before Sunrise over the weekend and really loved it. I think I almost enjoyed it more than Before Sunset in some ways. The ending was kind of a downer without the sequel with it though. I need to see Before Sunset again now that I've seen the first one.
Finally sat down to watch this.
I fucking cried.
I fucking loved it.
Julie Delpy broke my heart with that song.
Definitely in my top ten for the year.
Welcome to the club.
I saw a Before Sunrise / Before Sunset double-feature tonight. (Yeah, 'bout time, I know.) Needless to say, I have a huge grin on my face I won't be able to wipe off anytime soon. The dialogue in this film especially was brilliant. The scene in the car (like W2A said), and her playing the waltz and then dancing, two of the most amazing scenes ever. The car scene, especially, was just phenomenal. I can't get over just how powerful the writing there was. He must've pored over that for a very long time. That, or it was just one of those freak things. Sunset is one of the best of the year, though really these are just two halfs of one great movie.
Quote from: wantautopia?The car scene, especially, was just phenomenal. I can't get over just how powerful the writing there was. He must've pored over that for a very long time.
I think Delpy was responsible for most of that, wasn't she?
Looks like they all (Linklater, Delpy, and Hawke) had a hand in the screenplay, you're right.
Quote from: GhostboyThe entire movie is in real time, one long conversation that has a desperate bit of urgency to it, as if this little bit of time is all these characters will ever have together and they need to say everything they need to, and it all just pours out and doesn't stop. It was like Waking Life with a narrower conversational focus, which left me feeling linked intrinscially not so much to the characters but what they were saying and feeling.
Maybe it's just me, but I thought their endless dialogue was what prevented them from really making a connection. Does nobody else have a cynical view of their nonstop talking? It really bothered me. And there was something about Ethan Hawke that didn't sit well with me, some kind of overenthusiasm and extreme politeness that materialized into either incredulousness or insincerity (I can't tell).
I haven't seen the first film, so maybe I just didn't have much invested in the sequel, and maybe I'm just not feeling that 9 year gap.
Quote from: wantautopia?Looks like they all (Linklater, Delpy, and Hawke) had a hand in the screenplay, you're right.
This is an uneducated guess, but much of the dialogue seemed improvised.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanMaybe it's just me, but I thought their endless dialogue was what prevented them from really making a connection.
What would you have had them do? Stare at each other? They had like 90 minutes to spend together. I would have talked the whole time, too.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI haven't seen the first film
That was a mistake. See the first film.
Quote from: UncleJoeyQuote from: Jeremy BlackmanI haven't seen the first film
That was a mistake. See the first film.
Yeah, JB, I'm not sure who else was in the same boat as you but I can't imagine anyone watching Before Sunset prior to seeing the first film. I know I wouldn't have liked it as much.
Quote from: UncleJoeyWhat would you have had them do? Stare at each other?
Yes, I was actually hoping for a moment just like that. A perfect ending would be them staring at each other for five minutes... it would have been such an incredible relief. I thought it was almost going to happen on the stairs, but then Ethan Hawke came up with that stupid line "I love these old staircases." The conversation was so evasive sometimes. How is that changed by seeing the first movie?
This movie didn't make me smile as much as it made me cringe. It was 80 minutes of tension and torture. And I thought it had a really clear dark side. I mean, think about it... half the dialogue and most of the physical acting is absolutely tragic.
I guess you'll never know how much different your movie experience could've been.. :(
Quote from: cinephileI guess you'll never know how much different your movie experience could've been.. :(
But Ghostboy also saw the sequel first, and his experience was apparently similar to most everyone else's.
EDIT: JB beat me to my own point!
I saw it for the first time without having seen the first film, and I absolutely loved it. Then I went to a screening that showed the two back to back with no interruption and decided it was the best movie of the year.
So while the two combined are the best way to see the films, the second one does work fine on its own, and if JB didn't like it, I don't think the first one will help him see the light.
Hey, it's another DVD that I guess I'm blind buying based on the raving of XIXAXers.
Get them both, watch them back to back. Before Sunrise reminded me why I love movies. Before Sunset reaffirmed that yet again, and I thought it was even more well-written. Sunrise is more substantial though.
Quote from: Ghostboyif JB didn't like it, I don't think the first one will help him see the light.
But I do think JB might like the first one. I think it's more of what he's looking for. There are pauses where they do stare at each other, like the stolen glances when they are listening to the record. The timeline in Sunrise is more carefree and isn't 'rushed' because it's played out in real time like Sunset.
I should definitely see the first one, then. Is it better to understand this movie as an addendum? (instead of a half)
You know that scene where they're talking about the environment for a while and then they light up? Did that bother anyone else?
I'm not saying it's a bad movie... I'm just seeing tragedy, irony, and evasion above everything else.
No, it's definitely a half. The two films mirror each other in just about every possible way.
And while they the things they talk about may not be completely sunny...it's the fact that they talk about them that makes the film so wonderful. Never has hindsight or regret or even something as simple as gaining new perspectives been so well illustrated in a film.
BTW, none of it was improvised. Linklater talked about how they didn't really have time for any improv, due to the shooting schedule, so just about every little line or gesture was written and rehearsed well beforehand.
I felt an instant connection with the characters in Before Sunrise.. and the events that transpired (that are spoken about in the second installment) make the ending of the film that much more touching. Looking back, I can tell that seeing the first one made the second film that much better. Yes, GB liked Sunset without seeing the first one, but as he's pointed out, after seeing Sunrise, the sequel became the best film of the year. So as you can see, the film experience is heightened.. which was my point all along.
Quote from: GhostboyBTW, none of it was improvised. Linklater talked about how they didn't really have time for any improv, due to the shooting schedule, so just about every little line or gesture was written and rehearsed well beforehand.
That's pretty amazing.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanDoes nobody else have a cynical view of their nonstop talking?
yes, i usually hate it, but i still loved this movie. and i didnt particularly care for the first one, or think i had much chance of liking this one, but STILL this movie pulled me in and really made me care.
Quote from: themodernage02Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanDoes nobody else have a cynical view of their nonstop talking?
yes, i usually hate it, but i still loved this movie. and i didnt particularly care for the first one, or think i had much chance of liking this one, but STILL this movie pulled me in and really made me care.
I'm almost stunned that a feeling of agreeance with modernage is happening. Though not cynical to this type of film, I liked the new one while not caring for the first. I liked its concept, but the conversation wasn't that moving for me and I think I was about annoyed with half the things Ethan Hawke said in that movie. Delpy was fine, but she only called him on a minimal of the dumb things he said. Arrogant and immature he was the entire film and that was a problem because to really fall for the film the way the filmmakers wanted was to fall for the characters. Hawke's character grew up in the second and I found myself captivated the way the film wanted me to.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI thought it was almost going to happen on the stairs, but then Ethan Hawke came up with that stupid line "I love these old staircases." The conversation was so evasive sometimes. How is that changed by seeing the first movie?
I think pretty much everyone would say dumb stuff like that in his situation. Imagine how hard you would be trying if you were in his place? I thought stuff like that just added realism.
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanIt was 80 minutes of tension and torture.
Exactly. Only getting to spend 80 minutes with your true love after a nine year absense is a pretty torturous experience.
saw this last night, and i like it much more than the first one. i got annoyed with their ultra-philosophical, ultra-romantic, ultra-coffee house attitudes in the first one. ethan hawke's character just reminded me of too many people i knew in college that walked around with a five o'clock shadow and tolstoy under their arm, living their tortured life and talking about romance. their characters were much more realistic in their thinking, and therefore relatable this time around.
I dunno...a friend and I watched both of these films back to back. I really liked the first one, it put me in a very romantic, ideal, and hopeful mood. Then I watched the second one.......MY GOD. I fucking hated it. I hated it so much. It's 2 unbearable scenes and then 2 good scenes, but I hated who these people had become. The coffee shop was soo fucking long and uninteresting. The boat ride was horrendous. The van was by far the best, but unfortunately I really hated how angry Delpy got and how much she almost regretted their first encounter because it drained the love out of her. The song was great, but the dancing.....geez, cute but pointless. I don't care if it was more realistic. I couldn't connect at all. Ethan Hawke's character was twice as obnoxious, I dunno why a woman as smart as Celine would even want a guy like him.
I guess this could be boiled down to my expectations of what should happen weren't met. And that's that.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThough not cynical to this type of film, I liked the new one while not caring for the first. I liked its concept, but the conversation wasn't that moving for me and I think I was about annoyed with half the things Ethan Hawke said in that movie. Delpy was fine, but she only called him on a minimal of the dumb things he said. Arrogant and immature he was the entire film and that was a problem because to really fall for the film the way the filmmakers wanted was to fall for the characters. Hawke's character grew up in the second
yeah, im glad Hawke actually had control over his character's dialogue this time round. there really wasnt much to like about him in the first film, which has nothing on the sequel. after a second viewing, this has become my favourite film of the year.
Quote from: abuck1220saw this last night, and i like it much more than the first one. i got annoyed with their ultra-philosophical, ultra-romantic, ultra-coffee house attitudes in the first one. ethan hawke's character just reminded me of too many people i knew in college that walked around with a five o'clock shadow and tolstoy under their arm, living their tortured life and talking about romance. their characters were much more realistic in their thinking, and therefore relatable this time around.
I also like the second one better, and find the two more interesting in that stage of their life. However, I feel that the two were just as realistic in the first one. Yeah, Jesse was one of those five o' clock shadow philosophy reading coffee house dwelling guys--but you yourself admit that they exist.
I mean, people go through many phases in their life and that's a very realistic phase, and one that very realistically leads into who Jesse becomes in the second movie. They both recognize how deluded they were in the first movie, and we have all looked back and have seen some delusion in our own past phases, but the experience of being in that moment at the time was still wonderful.
If you were to make a movie that to show the magic of young love, you've gotta show the silliness that comes with that youth.
I like that these two are obviously flawed. Jesse's a bit of a dick (in both movies) and Celine is a bit too idealistic, neurotic, etc. But the movie's about the connection between the two, and in that, most of the people who watch either of these movies can see some genuine moments of magic to the degree that is very rare in romance movies.
Thanks to everyone who made me aware of Before Sunrise. I'll be buying that soon and hope for an even greater experience when I do see Before Sunset.
:-D
i agree with Gamblor. they both became lamer. its a sad, unspoken, unintentional undercurrent of it. though the the quality of their conversation picks up a little as they go. i'm shocked at how many people prefer this to Sunrise, which is so amazing it has an aftertaste of making nearly every other movie romance seem a little shallower for about a week and Jeremy should watch it. the only thing i like better by comparison about this one is the ending which is perfectly, optimistically ambiguous. and not about words. i also think the choice of real-time messed things up. they become so unendingly talky when you get rid of the notion that this footage is selected moments of their relationship and time has passed in between and maybe they aren't always THIS talkingly engaged.
I'd like to remind everybody that you can vote ANY film from 2004 as the BEST FILM for the XIXAX AWARDS.
Couldn't think of a good thread to put this in.. so I chose this one.. BEFORE SUNSET.. at random.
Thanks.
Yes, ANY film. Actually, this one's okay. You can vote for this.
Quote from: themodernage02this one's okay. You can vote for this.
Mod! Nobody is supposed to be campaigning films!! :elitist:
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As I’ve stated before in previous introductions I was in film school in the early 1990’s. Therefore my friends and I had enjoyed Slacker many times on video and we all hit the theatre when Dazed and Confused came out. So Richard Linklater has had a very strong but also very subtle influence on me. I think it was after seeing those films that I first realized that it was possible to write a movie the way people actually talked and also for them to smoke out of a bong.
I also specifically remember seeing Before Sunrise in the theatre and thinking that Ethan Hawke’s character was such a pussy. Did he actually think that him and Julie Delpy’s character could ever have a future?
Well nine years later I got my answer and it is a definite no. Jesse [Hawke] is now a best selling writer who’s book is about the night he spent with Celine [Delpy]. He is on a book tour through Europe and in Paris he bumps into Celine again. They spend the next hour and half just walking through Paris talking about how they might have always been in love but they both had to move on with their lives since they were young, stupid and never exchanged numbers.
Daniel Robert Epstein: How much of Before Sunset reflects your personality?
Richard Linklater: To some extent I’ve heard that all films reflect a director’s personality. So that’s probably fair enough. I think this film reflects Julie and Ethan as well as myself. They are my collaborators all the way down the line.
DRE: Is it split in the middle, are they your feminine and masculine side?
RL: I don’t even think of it in those terms. I don’t relate to one of those characters more than the other. In a lot of ways like life-wise I am more like Celine. I feel equally split though.
DRE: At this point in your career is it easier to do a dialogue driven film?
RL: It must be what I am innately interested because I keep doing films where all they do is talk. At my core it was something I was interested in early on, pre even picking up a camera, because I thought that what people are and are not saying was always interesting to me. That’s all we have outside of the artistic constructs we build to house stories. All we have is this communication, even now you have to glom onto what I am saying and judge my personality because that’s all you are getting from me. To me that’s life and the majority of our experience. We don’t live in action films and we don’t live in these hyper real worlds. It’s much more mundane.
DRE: How often do you find yourself in a truly memorable conversation? Besides this one.
RL: Floating through life you have to make that decision all the time. When you say to someone, “How’s it going today?” Do you want to hear “Fine” then keep going or do you really want to sit and talk? Do you care enough about that person to be honest with them? There are all these different levels of what we are admitting about ourselves in the world and does it matter. I love to talk but I wonder what the value in it is sometimes. I wasn’t ever the kind of guy who would sit in a coffee shop and have conversations with people. I was too busy reading and doing stuff. I didn’t want to talk or hear other people talk. But when I went to make a film it was people talking all the time. It wasn’t how I saw the world but that’s how it came out.
DRE: What was the rehearsal process like?
RL: We talked about doing the movie for years then we outlined it very specifically and then we wrote it together. We were in the same room only sporadically but when we were together it was very intense and fun. We communicated by email, faxes and everyone jumped on the scenes they wanted to write. It was a long process, over a year.
DRE: What were the key points to making the movie?
RL: We were overwhelmed with the possibilities but they shrunk once we distilled it to a real time encounter. He’s catching a plane and then they run into one another. Once we got the parameters of that we were in the zone.
DRE: Was it tough shooting the movie like it was in real time?
RL: That was the cinematic trick we had to do. Every film has their own challenges both formally and content wise. That was the big idea of this film. I thought we could pull it off but it was still very tough. It was like being painted into a corner because nothing could be cut out. It all had to work geographical and also be like a play. Everything we shot got into the film. There will be no scenes on the DVD because there is nothing else.
DRE: What was the rehearsal process?
RL: It was interesting for Julie and Ethan to go from co-writers to actors because the enormity of their task was apparent and they had to make it seem as natural as possible. We wanted it to seem like we just turned on the camera and they’re talking. That took a lot of rehearsal and we had to plan it out to nth degree. It was like a puzzle.
I wanted the audience to not notice that they were acting or even that a film is being made. For it to seem like you are encountering an old friend and you're happy to see him. They were some pretty difficult Steadicam shots but hopefully they weren’t flashy.
DRE: Was there any improvisation?
RL: It was a 100 percent scripted. There is no room in the formal design of the movie to just keep going. Everything minute gesture was scripted. I’ve never figured out how improvisation works in cinema form. I know other people have had luck with it but I’ve never thought in those terms. Maybe it’s the writer in me.
DRE: How was it doing this movie without [Before Sunrise co-writer] Kim Krizan?
RL: It was just natural. Julie, Ethan and I all worked on the first script a lot as well. They had to give so much that it was just natural that we would all write it together. Kim probably could have worked on it but she elected not to.
DRE: When you finished Before Sunrise did you expect all this to happen to the characters?
RL: Naw I don’t think I could have ever expected this. We didn’t even expect to make another film. I think we had to live nine more years to see what happened. I think they may have gotten together six months after the first movie like they were supposed. Maybe I’m just a romantic.
DRE: I think I liked the characters in Before Sunset more than I did in Before Sunrise.
RL: People can be kind of merciless on young people. They are tender on them up until about 17 then you hit a rough patch. No one has any sympathy for anyone that’s 19 to 23 years old. I’ve done several films about people that age because so much comes crashing down on them. If you're older you're glad you're not that age anymore but you have to go through it. They say you're personality is kind of formed by the time you are 25. I think it’s much earlier. It’s a trying time in your life but it’s much more exhilarating.
DRE: How do you think people will react to the way you ended the movie?
RL: For what this is, short of going into a new movie, it has to end the way it does. Certainly that was the plan all along. I couldn’t imagine going any farther than I did with this movie. I’ve had so many people say that it’s the perfect ending.
DRE: Is Julie’s character the perfect woman?
RL: Ethan and I talked about that. We thought we might be making her too perfect but she does talk about how neurotic she is as well.
DRE: She’s kind of the imperfect perfect woman.
Will you be working with Ethan again on something non-Sunset related?
RL: No current plans but I would love to work with both of them again.
DRE: Do the characters try to seduce each other in the film?
RL: I think they do. What’s going on between them is this subtle interplay of flirtation and seduction. That’s what people do when they are attracted to one another.
DRE: School of Rock was a big hit. What did that do for your career?
RL: None of it makes sense on paper. But I love that I am able to jump and do different size films. A filmmaker who is making big films can make a small film but the question is, do they want to? It’s just as hard, if not harder and there is no money in it. I am lucky because I have all these smaller films that I want to make.
On the other hand it’s fun to make a film that has a bigger canvas. On School of Rock I needed a light show for the end of the movie and we had the budget so I got it. If I need to clear a Andrew Lloyd Webber song, I can. That’s what that budget is for. These other films don’t require as much.
DRE: How come people don’t smoke pot in your movies anymore?
RL: [laughs] Maybe because it feels like a teenage thing to me. I don’t really know. I did shoot a movie, which is like a drug movie. It’s A Scanner Darkly and its set in the near future in the middle of a drug epidemic.
DRE: Are you a science fiction fan?
RL: I was when I was a teenager. I can’t say I am in the typical sense but I do like Philip K. Dick. I’ve read quite a bit of his stuff. A Scanner Darkly is one of my favorites of his, because it seemed the most personal. I was lucky enough to get an option on it a few years ago, so I just wrote an adaptation of it and thought it would be an interesting animated movie. It’s not really that science fiction either. To me, it has one science fiction element, but beyond that, it’s pretty realistic. I love that about Dick’s stuff, paranoia plus a generation equal reality. It’s like we’re living in his science fiction as we speak, so it seemed really timely to me.
DRE: Many of Phillip K. Dick’s stories have been turned into action films. What is going to be your take on this one?
RL: A lot of Phillip K. Dick’s stories and novels have always been adapted, but usually, they are taking some cool idea and making it work in some genre like an action film, and that can work. I like that novel so much that I wanted to do that story and I want to be very faithful and tell the whole story. What drives me crazy is that I think Philip K. Dick is hilarious. He’s a really funny writer. I laugh when I read the books or I chuckle, and I wanted to make a movie like that. It’s really darkly funny. I’m kind of making a comedy, but it’s a weird comedy. Who knows how I pull it off, but I approached it like that. I hung out with his daughters a lot, and they liked my approach to it. They liked that someone was actually doing the story, not just plucking an idea and running with it. This is the story. This is that book. It feels pretty good. Keanu is great as Bob Barker, the lead character. He’s an interesting guy. His thinking is such that I thought he would be perfect.”
DRE: [Thirteen director] Catherine Hardwicke was the production designer on your films, SubUrbia and The Newton Boys. Do you still keep in touch with her?
RL: Yeah I saw her a couple of nights ago in LA when had a screening of Before Sunset. I loved Thirteen but now she is shooting the fictional version of Dogtown and Z-Boys.
DRE: Will there be a sequel to School of Rock?
RL: [Producer] Scott Rudin told me he got a call asking for one right after the first weekend saying “Sequel or series?” But I don’t think there will be a sequel. Maybe some things are better left alone.
DRE: Has [School of Rock and The Good Girl screenwriter] Mike White sent you any scripts?
RL: Not recently. He was a great collaborator so I would love to work with him again. Truth is, if Mike had a great idea for the story and Jack liked it then who knows.
DRE: Do you have any tattoos?
RL: No, none. I’m not that brave.
We watched Before Sunrise in my film class. Of course, the "brahs" in the class hated it. "That was the most boring movie ever," they proclaimed. "It went nowhere and the conversations were pointless." I, however, liked it. Too bad Ethan Hawke is in my top ten most hated actors. I would've liked it a lot better if someone else was casted.
Before Sunset was much better, in my opinion. (to bring my post back on subject.) I like Linklater.
describe the "brahs".
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