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Creative Corner => Filmmakers' Workshop => Topic started by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 09:28:42 PM

Title: Jump Cut? im Confused.
Post by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 09:28:42 PM
Does jump cut mean: 'A' is in the building then he starts to walk towards the door and then cut to: him in his car driving. is that a jump cut? can someone give me a few examples in movies?
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Post by: Ghostboy on July 17, 2003, 09:36:27 PM
It's a fast, unprecedented cut. But don't take my word for it -- let me pull out my film dictionary for the official definition:

"A cut between two shots that seems abrupt and calls attention to itself because of some obvious jump in time or space. An undesired jump cut is caused by poor editing, but at times the cut is consciously made for some desired effect."
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Post by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 09:37:28 PM
i still dont get it i need an example from a movie :)
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Post by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 09:39:46 PM
wait is it like if someone is about to get shot: cut to : kids playing?
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Post by: Ghostboy on July 17, 2003, 09:41:09 PM
A great example would be the scene in The Shining where Danny is looking in the mirror before they go to the Overlook, and has visions of what has happened there. Kubrick uses jump cuts throughout the movie to communicate the concept of extra-sensory perception.
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Post by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 09:48:34 PM
what did (OC) mean i forget
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Post by: Ghostboy on July 17, 2003, 09:50:42 PM
What do you mean?

Sometimes a parenthetical OC will precede dialogue to specify if it's coming from Off Camera (although I think OS, for Off Screen, is more prevalent).  Is that what you're talking about?
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Post by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 09:53:03 PM
yes thanks i remember it was something like that. just like VO is voice over .
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Post by: mutinyco on July 17, 2003, 10:28:54 PM
Ghosty don't reply anymore. Just let this one die. It's painful. :)
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Post by: MacGuffin on July 17, 2003, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: propheti still dont get it i need an example from a movie :)

In "Requiem For A Dream", all the quick cuts of the extreme close-ups of the drugs and the drug taking, etc. would be jump cuts.
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Post by: prophet on July 17, 2003, 10:41:48 PM
ok i get it
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Post by: Pubrick on July 17, 2003, 10:44:16 PM
so, prophet, how old are u?
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Post by: Cecil on July 17, 2003, 11:30:52 PM
what the hell are you people talking about?

a jump cut is when an amount of time has been removed from a shot. example: a guy walks out of his apt and gets into his car, starts it, and drives away. this is done in one shot. in the editing, you remove pieces from this shot by, lets say, removing his trip to the car, so it would start with the guy comming out of the building then it cuts to him allready in the car because the part of him walking to it has been removed. therefore making a jump in time.

check out "a bout de souffle" or any new wave film. or music videos, they have tons of those.
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Post by: aclockworkjj on July 18, 2003, 12:11:36 AM
Quote from: Cecil B. Dementedwhat the hell are you people talking about?

a jump cut is when an amount of time has been removed from a shot. example: a guy walks out of his apt and gets into his car, starts it, and drives away. this is done in one shot. in the editing, you remove pieces from this shot by, lets say, removing his trip to the car, so it would start with the guy comming out of the building then it cuts to him allready in the car because the part of him walking to it has been removed. therefore making a jump in time.

check out "a bout de souffle" or any new wave film. or music videos, they have tons of those.

well put.
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Post by: prophet on July 18, 2003, 12:47:11 AM
isnt that kinda what i said ? " 'A' is in the building then he starts to walk towards the door and then cut to: him in his car driving."
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Post by: Pubrick on July 18, 2003, 12:58:10 AM
keep ignoring me.
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Post by: Cecil on July 18, 2003, 01:00:07 AM
Quote from: prophetisnt that kinda what i said ? " 'A' is in the building then he starts to walk towards the door and then cut to: him in his car driving."

no because that would be 2 shots. 1 in the building of the guy walking out, then another of him driving away outside the building.

jumps cuts are also used profusely in on-camera interviews. you know when theres a cut, removing perhaps a few phrases, but its still the same shot. if theyre shooting with 2 or 3 cameras and it cuts into a closeup then thats not really the same thing

heres a little bit of talk on jump cuts (http://www.keyframe.org/txt/matchframe/)
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Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on July 18, 2003, 01:36:07 AM
Quote from: Pso, prophet, how old are u?

I think you've asked this in every thread he's written... i would like to know also...


Nick
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Post by: prophet on July 18, 2003, 01:37:59 AM
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Post by: Pubrick on July 18, 2003, 04:02:13 AM
well, i guess technically a lie is still an answer.
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Post by: jasper_window on July 18, 2003, 08:44:51 AM
The scene in the beginning of The Usual Suspects when Benicio is walking down the sidewalk and the cops drive by and he turns around trying to avoid.  Go watch the sequence.  There are a few jump cuts there.  Him walking.  Officers out of the car, his hands in the air, etc.
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Post by: ReelHotGames on July 18, 2003, 11:17:40 AM
Let's make it very simple. Since his avatar is PTA the driving scene at the beginning of Syndey (Hard Eight).

John is in the back seat the horn blows and it JUMPS to him being in the front seat. That is a JUMP CUT.
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Post by: SoNowThen on July 18, 2003, 11:18:38 AM
or go watch Breathless.
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Post by: mutinyco on July 18, 2003, 11:34:41 AM
SOMEBODY PLEASE JUMP-CUT THIS FUCKING THREAD!
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Post by: Cecil on July 18, 2003, 11:36:38 AM
Quote from: mutinycoSOMEBODY PLEASE JUMP-CUT THIS FUCKING THREAD!

yeah, i have no idea what that means
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Post by: SoNowThen on July 18, 2003, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Cecil B. Demented
Quote from: mutinycoSOMEBODY PLEASE JUMP-CUT THIS FUCKING THREAD!

yeah, i have no idea what that means

ditto
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Post by: Link on July 18, 2003, 12:45:18 PM
edited for redundancy
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Post by: Recce on July 25, 2003, 10:33:19 PM
Any Oliver Stone film is saturated with jump cuts. Sorry to start it up again, but its true.
P.S. A guy walking out of his apartment and then cut to him in his car is two shots, and would be an elipsis, not a jump cut.
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Post by: sickfins on July 27, 2003, 08:38:34 PM
i will administer you all a final, free, five megabyte lesson

lesson (mpg) (http://www.xixax.com/lesson.mpg)
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Post by: Cecil on July 27, 2003, 08:54:21 PM
your lesson doesnt seem to work
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Post by: sickfins on July 27, 2003, 09:02:25 PM
fixed

are you happy now, child
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Post by: Cecil on July 27, 2003, 09:21:35 PM
yes, teacher.

finally, the debate is over (or is it?)
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Post by: MacGuffin on July 27, 2003, 09:25:41 PM
So... the cut on his head was from jumping? I'm more confused now.
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Post by: Cecil on July 27, 2003, 09:38:35 PM
the fun never stops at xixax.com
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Post by: atticus jones on August 13, 2003, 06:04:59 AM
"those who cant do...teach"

a non and mouse
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Post by: Gamblour. on August 14, 2003, 03:37:07 PM
Like Justice Potter Stewart once said, "I know it when I see it!"
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Post by: Ash on August 29, 2003, 09:47:55 AM
What about the tracking shot through Calvino's in Road to Perdition?  The shot in which the big fella pats Michael down is the same shot as the tracking one, as evidenced in a deleted scene.  They cut quite a big chunk out of it, although it doesn't seem to be a jump cut.

Anyone know if that counts as a jump cut or not?
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Post by: mutinyco on August 30, 2003, 11:43:48 AM
No.
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Post by: Ash on August 30, 2003, 03:06:31 PM
Quote from: mutinycoNo.

No it doesn't count, or no you don't know?
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Post by: mutinyco on August 31, 2003, 10:44:36 AM
No, it doesn't count. There have been plenty of examples throughout this thread. A jump cut is an abrupt cut in time. The same action is taking place or it's from the same position -- only you're cutting time. It doesn't look right and calls attention to itself.

What was being described was merely a cut-away.
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Post by: Ash on August 31, 2003, 10:54:29 AM
Thanks.