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Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: Pedro on April 05, 2003, 01:28:30 AM
So...what movie do you think has the best cinematography...try and narrow it down to one, but if you can't make up your mind, I'm all for hearing a few.  

My Pick
Days of Heaven

It is hands down the most beautifully shot movie I have ever seen.

Overrated

Atanarjuat
I think snow like that is ugly, but considering it was shot on DV...
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: cine on April 05, 2003, 02:40:50 AM
"Citizen Kane"
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Post by: Ghostboy on April 05, 2003, 03:14:14 AM
Aw man, this is an almost impossible topic. There's too much to choose from. Can I just pick the documentary Visions Of Light or is that cheating?
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Post by: phil marlowe on April 05, 2003, 03:24:38 AM
tough topic indeed, but lately i was struk by the beauty of o brother! where art thou? and the elephant man.

all spielberg films are brilliant too.
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Post by: Sigur Rós on April 05, 2003, 03:27:22 AM
All films by The Coen Brothers have great  cinematography...which leads us back to Barry Sonnenfeld......Spike  :-D
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Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2003, 03:59:45 AM
B&W: "Citizen Kane"

Color: "Doctor Zhivago" and "Lawrence Of Arabia" - not cheating since Freddie Young shot both films.


Hated the over-done doc hand-held style on "Husbands And Wives" - way too distracting.
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Post by: Pubrick on April 05, 2003, 04:45:12 AM
Barry Lyndon. nothing has ever looked better or ever can. bl.
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Post by: life_boy on April 05, 2003, 05:09:07 AM
Quote from: PBarry Lyndon. nothing has ever looked better or ever can. bl.

Beat me to it.
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Post by: budgie on April 05, 2003, 06:00:49 AM
Colour: Imitation of Life. Texturally beautiful.
B&W: The Man Who Wasn't There.

But Kurosawa overall, and I can't choose really. Lawrence of Arabia gets me every time and it is only because of the cinematography. I start out not really wanting to watch it and end up doing so.
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Post by: aurora on April 05, 2003, 07:04:15 AM
I reckon

Days Of Heaven

and

The Thin Red Line
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Post by: Cecil on April 05, 2003, 10:33:59 AM
i cant possibly choose only one. or just a few.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on April 05, 2003, 12:15:08 PM
I Am Cuba
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Post by: Pedro on April 05, 2003, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: cecil b. dementedi cant possibly choose only one. or just a few.

Then choose a bunch.
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Post by: Cecil on April 05, 2003, 01:38:11 PM
i really like ed lauchman, robert richardson, robby muller...

oh, and john waters
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Post by: Derek on April 05, 2003, 02:39:11 PM
I love Dante Spinotti's work in L.A. Confidential.
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Post by: Cecil on April 05, 2003, 04:08:07 PM
oh, raoul coutard as well
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Post by: Ravi on April 05, 2003, 04:13:07 PM
Pretty much anything shot by Gregg Toland is beautiful.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 05, 2003, 04:48:36 PM
i would have to agree that barry lyndon is the most georgously photographed film.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 05, 2003, 04:49:56 PM
also anything by vittorio stararo -- especially LAST TANGO IN PARIS
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Post by: snaporaz on April 05, 2003, 07:04:26 PM
2001: a space odyssey.

is natural born killers an immature choice? i love richardson.
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: Cecil on April 05, 2003, 09:57:09 PM
Quote from: snaporazis natural born killers an immature choice?

absolutely not. richardson is a genius
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Post by: ©brad on April 06, 2003, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: budgieColour: Imitation of Life. Texturally beautiful.
B&W: The Man Who Wasn't There.

But Kurosawa overall.

yes yes. also add All That Heaven Allows for Sirk, and O Brother for Coens/Roger Deakins.

Soderbergh seems to get better with every picture he does. Big fan of Richardson too, torn between Nixon, JFK and U-Turn.

Quote from: MacGuffin
Hated the over-done doc hand-held style on "Husbands And Wives" - way too distracting.

agreed. I think the only scene when the handheld really worked well was when Sydney Pollack and his wife are fighting outside in the car.
I was most recently impressed with Hollywood Ending's cinematography, especially that amazing shot of New York at the end.
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Post by: The Silver Bullet on April 06, 2003, 08:57:09 AM
Lawrence Of Arabia
Apocalypse Now
Amelie
Fargo
Citizen Kane
The Thin Red Line
GoodFellas
Raging Bull
Bringing Out The Dead
The Bridge On The River Kwai
Pulp Fiction
Being John Malkovich
Schindler's List
Minority Report
American Beauty
Magnolia
Boogie Nights
Dancer In The Dark
The Godfather
The Godfather Part II
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 06, 2003, 11:36:56 AM
i think stararo's work in DICK TRACY is wonderful -- i love that movie.
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Post by: SHAFTR on April 06, 2003, 12:35:47 PM
Boogie Nights
Citizen Kane
The Grand Illusion
Do the Right Thing
Road to Perdition

I really enjoyed the Cinematography of Good Will Hunting, I doubt many would agree.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on April 06, 2003, 01:06:33 PM
Matthew Libatique - Requiem, Pi, Josie and the Pussycats

how is Tigerland?
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Post by: Ghostboy on April 06, 2003, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR

I really enjoyed the Cinematography of Good Will Hunting, I doubt many would agree.

The guy who shot that, Jean Yves Escoffier, is one of my favorite DPs. He also shot Gummo, Cradle Will Rock, The Crow 2, and most of Neil LaBute's stuff. He has a tendency to use sodium lights to get that smoky golden look, which I lovvve.
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Post by: soixante on April 06, 2003, 01:39:05 PM
Barry Lyndon's cinematography revolutionized the industry.  Kubrick used special lenses to photograph scenes in candlelight.  The film really transported the viewer back to the 18th century, because the lighting didn't seem fake, like in other period pieces.  The influence of Barry Lyndon's look was seen in The Duellists and Days of Heaven.

Days of Heaven is probably 2nd to Barry Lyndon, and made wonderful use of "golden hour" light.  But since Barry Lyndon came first, it gets the prize.

Manhattan features some of the best black and white cinematography of the past 30 years.
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Post by: Ravi on April 06, 2003, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtisi think stararo's work in DICK TRACY is wonderful -- i love that movie.

Too bad Storaro and Coppola insisted on having the 'scope films Apocalypse Now and Tucker cropped to around 2:1!  :x
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Post by: Pedro on April 06, 2003, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: soixante

Manhattan features some of the best black and white cinematography of the past 30 years.

Agreed.
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Post by: Fernando on April 06, 2003, 08:40:34 PM
I too think that Barry Lyndon is the best as far as I know. The lenses used by SK were the Zeiss, they're swedish or something, anyway, these lenses were used to take pictures from the satelites then, he sended them to Ed Di Giulio to put them in his Mitchel (used for rear projection) cameras that were sold to him from the WB's studios.

But I want to ask you guys what did you think of Eyes Wide Shut, for me, it was the best shot (lighted) film of 99, it wasn't even nominated for an oscar or recognized by the American Society of Cinematographers, I know Conrad Hall did a wonderful job in American Beauty but Kubrick and Larry Smith did it better (IMHO), also that year Sweet and Lowdown was amazing.

As for the DP's of today Deakins is my favourite.
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: dufresne on April 06, 2003, 09:44:47 PM
man, i love anything by Roger Deakins, Janusz Kaminski, John Toll, Robert Richardson, Conrad Hall, Robert Elswit, Don Burgess, and Dante Spinotti.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 06, 2003, 10:04:12 PM
David Lean's Oliver Twist is amazing
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Post by: aurora on April 06, 2003, 10:46:36 PM
I like some of John Tolls work:

The Thin Red Line
Braveheart
Almost Famous
Vanilla Sky
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Post by: SoNowThen on April 08, 2003, 12:35:08 PM
Gianni di Venanzo for his b&w work, particularily on 8 1/2 & Big Deal On Madonna Street.

Since this category should have something to do with camerawork (framing, movements, etc), I nominate Michael Chapman for Taxi Driver. Gritty look, and my favorite Scorsese movie for shots (Marty in full Godard rip-off mode).
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Post by: ProgWRX on April 09, 2003, 02:50:03 PM
I gotta go with Janusz Kaminski, awesome work in A.I and Minority Report. Also John Toll, i mean Braveheart, Thin Red Line, and of course, Almost Famous and Vanilla Sky... pretty impressive resume IMO.
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: shaun107 on April 20, 2003, 07:14:09 PM
I love Barton Fink as well as everything else Roger Deakins has done with the Coens. Also love Raging Bull, Magnolia and the camera work in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind was also great. Has anyone seen Visions of Light? I was considering buying it but wasn't sure if it was in the 'drop everything else and order it immediatly' category?
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: Ravi on April 20, 2003, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: shaun107I love Barton Fink as well as everything else Roger Deakins has done with the Coens. Also love Raging Bull, Magnolia and the camera work in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind was also great. Has anyone seen Visions of Light? I was considering buying it but wasn't sure if it was in the 'drop everything else and order it immediatly' category?

I have Visions of Light.  It's interesting to hear the cinematographers themselves talking about their craft.  I hope someday they do a remastered version with film clips of better quality, and OAR clips from The Godfather.  Buy it.
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Post by: finlayr on April 26, 2003, 10:13:35 AM
Kill Bill looks awesome!  What about Darius Khondji?  Se7en????

Casino!!!

Heat!!1

Even The Rock!!

Good Will Hunting!!!!!!

But Barry Lyndon takes the cake.

And...ehh...all of PTA's movies too....Elswitt....
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Post by: Alethia on April 26, 2003, 02:39:18 PM
singin in the rain is fuckin great -- so is manhattan
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on April 26, 2003, 04:05:17 PM
Three Kings :(
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Post by: Keener on April 27, 2003, 12:52:14 PM
I enjoy Conrad L. Hall's work. American Beauty and Road to Perdition looked great.

With what finlayr said about Kill Bill...the snow scene looks great !

I really need to see Barry Lyndon.

Apocolypse Now is an excellent choice. It was splendid.

The Million Dollar Hotel is perhaps the most under-rated film I've ever seen. Gorgeous !

Feh, I should name more but I'm tired.
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Post by: DavTMcGowan on May 02, 2003, 11:39:22 PM
Mr. Death...since nobody's mentioned it.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on May 03, 2003, 12:11:08 AM
vilmos zsigmond's work on THE DEER HUNTER is absolutely amazing -- by far one of my favorite films, as well as the most gorgeously shot.
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 03, 2003, 11:34:55 AM
Cinematographer Hall Gets Hollywood Star

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Cinematographer Conrad Hall, who won Oscars for "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid'' and "American Beauty,'' was honored posthumously with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Hall died in January at 76. He won his third Oscar two months later for last year's "Road to Perdition.''

He started his career as an assistant cameraman for television shows and went on to work on more than three dozen movies and earn 10 Oscar nominations.

His many honors include a lifetime achievement award from the American Society of Cinematographers.

Born and raised in Tahiti, he was the son of James Norman Hall, co-author of "Mutiny on the Bounty.''

Writer-directors Robert Towne, who worked with Hall on the 1988 film "Tequila Sunrise,'' and Steve Zaillian, who worked with Hall on 1993's "Searching for Bobby Fisher'' and 1998's "A Civil Action,'' attended Thursday's dedication.

Hall's star, the 2,224th on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, is near the star of his friend and fellow cinematographer Haskell Wexler.
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Post by: cowboykurtis on May 05, 2003, 05:21:47 PM
last year at marienbad is breathtaking. wasn't a huge fan of the film -- but appreciate it's attempt.
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Post by: Pedro on May 05, 2003, 06:56:32 PM
Quote from: cowboykurtislast year at marienbad is breathtaking. wasn't a huge fan of the film -- but appreciate it's attempt.
Excellent choice....I think the film's great really, but not something I watch every weekend.
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Post by: ratsorizzo on May 07, 2003, 10:05:35 PM
Rogers Deakins and Fargo is amazing to me
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 17, 2003, 10:27:29 AM
Cinematographers pick their Top 11
 
Surveyed to name the 10 most influential cinematographers in film history, members of the International Cinematographers Guild came up with 11 (thanks to a tie).
 
Their choices: Billy Bitzer ("Birth of a Nation"), James Wong Howe ("The Rose Tattoo"), Gregg Toland ("Wuthering Heights"), Freddie Young ("Lawrence of Arabia"), Jordan Cronenweth ("Blade Runner"), Conrad L. Hall ("Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"), Sven Nykvist ("Cries and Whispers"), Vittorio Storaro ("Apocalypse Now"), Haskell Wexler ("Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"), Gordon Willis ("The Godfather") and Vilmos Zsigmond ("The Deer Hunter").
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Post by: SoNowThen on October 17, 2003, 10:33:41 AM
fuck that, I go on record right now: best cinematography ever is Storaro's work in The Conformist.

Not debatable. Not even by him or any other of the great dp's. I won't allow it. :wink:

Hehehe. But seriously.... it is...
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Post by: mutinyco on October 17, 2003, 10:34:59 AM
Um...are these the most influential DPs or the most influential films shot by DPs? I wouldn't argue much with the list, however, I'd add 2001 by Goeffrey Unsworth (also shot Cabaret) to that list. It's more influential than Cronenweth's Blade Runner, in my opinion. When American Cinematographer complied it's best-shot films list a few years ago it was #3 for the second 50 years of cinema, just behind Lawrence of Arabia and The Godfather.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 17, 2003, 10:35:28 AM
I don't think they were saying the best film they shot, just one of the films they shot. Otherwise, Gregg Toland would have "Citizen Kane". :(
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Post by: Squawks on October 19, 2003, 04:36:49 AM
Cinematograpy in Gattaca made that movie great for me, that and the score (Is there a topic for that?)
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 19, 2003, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: ShanghaiOrangeI don't think they were saying the best film they shot, just one of the films they shot. Otherwise, Gregg Toland would have "Citizen Kane". :(

And Gordon Willis would have "Manhattan"
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 19, 2003, 12:35:37 PM
Labyrinth was awesome with cinematography.  Beautiful shots with hidden pictures and those Escher scenes, the mazes, beautiful!
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Post by: blackmamba on October 19, 2003, 12:50:48 PM
I totally agree about Labyrinth.
I think Amelie has some of the most beautiful cinematography.
(Kill Bill was great too.)
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Post by: kotte on February 20, 2005, 03:23:11 AM
I really appreciate the work of

Vittorio Storaro
I haven't seen much of his work really but what he did in Apocalypse Now puts him high up on my fav. cinematographers list.

Rodrigo Prieto
From the look of his camerawork he's without vanity. He's driven by emotion, something I can relate to. That's where the heart of my interst in films is. Emotions. Here's a good interview with him:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/forum/onFilm/prieto.shtml

Ellen Kuras
Not all of her films are great but I love her work in Eternal Sunshine. If you haven't read her American Cinematographer interview, do it here:
http://www.theasc.com/magazine/april04/cover/index.html
What Gondry had her do sounds pretty rough, with a focus puller pulling focus on two cameras at the same time :).
And she did second unit for Prieto on 25th Hour.
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: Pubrick on February 20, 2005, 03:35:59 AM
Quote from: kotteEllen Kuras
Not all of her films are great but I love her work in Eternal Sunshine. If you haven't read her American Cinematographer interview, do it here:
http://www.theasc.com/magazine/april04/cover/index.html
What Gondry had her do sounds pretty rough, with a focus puller pulling focus on two cameras at the same time :).
And she did second unit for Prieto on 25th Hour.
the fourth picture on the right hand column is wrongly captioned. whoever wrote the thing doesn't know who michel gondry is.

and the last one doesn't make sense at all.
Title: Best Cinematography
Post by: kotte on February 20, 2005, 03:55:18 AM
Quote from: Pubrickthe fourth picture on the right hand column is wrongly captioned. whoever wrote the thing doesn't know who michel gondry is.

Yeah, you're right. That's fucking embarrassing.
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Post by: pete on February 20, 2005, 09:04:53 AM
anthony "dod" mantle and Chris Doyle.
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Post by: kotte on February 20, 2005, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: peteChris Doyle.

How could I forget him? He's absolutely one of the best.
Anyone's know a site with info about him? A bit more substantial than imdb.

Dod's minidv work on 28 days later was fantastic. Proof it can be done...though with some heavy post-work.
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 20, 2005, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: kotteAnyone's know a site with info about him? A bit more substantial than imdb.

Go to IMDB. Type in Christopher Doyle. Click on Miscellaneous.
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Post by: Ghostboy on February 20, 2005, 09:29:36 AM
I saw Chris Doyle do a (faux) striptease last week.
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Post by: ©brad on February 20, 2005, 09:33:55 AM
oh yeah?

u ever had an ostrich burger?
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Post by: kotte on February 20, 2005, 09:35:04 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: kotteAnyone's know a site with info about him? A bit more substantial than imdb.

Go to IMDB. Type in Christopher Doyle. Click on Miscellaneous.

that's great...thanks.
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Post by: pete on February 20, 2005, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: kotte
Quote from: peteChris Doyle.

How could I forget him? He's absolutely one of the best.
Anyone's know a site with info about him? A bit more substantial than imdb.

Dod's minidv work on 28 days later was fantastic. Proof it can be done...though with some heavy post-work.

check out Festen, he did the dv work in that, and julien donkey boy too.  he's coming out with danny boyle's millions next month, I saw it earlier this week, it was amazing.  the movie and the cinematography.

ghostboy: HOW did you see chris doyle faux strip tease?!  I saw him doing a drunken one in the making of Hero, but wow.  where were you?
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Post by: Ghostboy on February 20, 2005, 01:31:32 PM
I was at the Berlin Talent Campus and he was one of the lecturers. At one point during one of the panels, there was a delay in projecting a video clip, and to fill the gap he jumped to his feet and started an oh-so-sexy soft shoe number.
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Post by: pete on February 20, 2005, 01:45:49 PM
aw man you're so lucky.  I heard he and Gus Van Sant did a lecture at the USC, some girl in the audience was trying to ask him a question, he was drunk and just got too impatient with her polite words so he shouted "YO BITCH!" into the crowd.
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Post by: Ghostboy on February 20, 2005, 02:07:45 PM
That's pretty much exactly what he was like - except that he was also incredibly warm and gracious. So, in the case you mentioned, after saying YO BITCH, he would have probably smiled like a teddy bear and everyone would be like, "oh, he's so cute!" He's also, of course, incredibly smart, even when he's tanked, and he's a joy to speak to.

Here's one of the pics I took of him, showcasing the aforementioned winning smile:
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.road-dog-productions.com%2Fberlin%2Fberlin14.jpg&hash=178abd44da996ca0701d73a10afe85102513c9f7)
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Post by: pete on February 20, 2005, 02:12:02 PM
yeah he's had a crazy life and he's eloquent in English, Chinese AND French, not just fluent, but eloquent.  man, he's just the perfect man!
he used to work under my mom in the Taiwanese cultural office in Taipei way back in the early 80s.
Title: Re: Best Cinematography
Post by: modage on November 13, 2006, 08:48:12 PM
until just now i thought that Emmanuel Lubezki and Matthew Libatique were the same person.
Title: Re: Best Cinematography
Post by: Pubrick on November 13, 2006, 09:58:07 PM
Quote from: modage on November 13, 2006, 08:48:12 PM
until just now i thought that Emmanuel Lubezki and Matthew Libatique were the same person.
Lub > Lib