Spider-Man 3

Started by MacGuffin, March 22, 2005, 12:43:47 AM

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matt35mm

Yeah, this wasn't good.  I don't really understand how this could have happened.  I caught a bit of Spider-Man 2 on TV after I came back from this, and it was stunningly better in every aspect.

All three parts seem to have been made by a different creative team.  Even the visual effects were worse in this movie.  The acting wasn't particularly good, just generally goofy.  The screenplay, as mentioned, was not good.  It really does seem like no one cared.

The audience was laughing at unintentionally funny moments at my screening as well.  I can't quite wrap my head around the incredible inconsistancy of this trilogy.  Oh well, at least I feel like we got one great Spider-Man movie.

Ravi

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Geez, you guys weren't kidding.  All your criticisms were spot-on.  Topher Grace as Venom?  It was as if someone jokingly threw out his name and next thing you know he's on the set ready to shoot.  He's Bland McBlandington.  And his motivation for wanting to kill Peter Parker was weak.

I wished the idea of revenge being a destructive force was explored more deeply.  It was treated in the most superficial way possible.  Peter's aunt says something about how Uncle Ben wouldn't want them to have revenge in their hearts and then at the end Peter says "I forgive you" to Flint after he explained why he murdered his uncle.  Even the scene at the jazz bar was pretty superficial.

MacGuffin

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So let me get this straight: The secret of the black ooze from outer space is that it turns you into a Nutty Professor version of Buddy Love?

I don't hold the first two films in such high regard as some around here, so my excitement for this film wasn't large. But I do recognize the sharp turn taken between 2 and 3. What I felt the problems were are that Sandman, while he had the best fx, is just not an engaging villian. You really could have taken him out and not done anything to the overall story. The connection to Uncle Ben's murder felt tacked on. Also, the relationship between Peter and MJ is just so shallow. They have no chemisty; that want to see them get together and feel the risk and danger when she is in peril is completely lacking. Lastly, what a missed opportunity to explore Spidey giving in to the dark side. The tone was completely off. It worked when he got angry, but it was played for laughs and the club scene felt right out of The Mask.
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hedwig

in addition to all these xixax reviews, everyone i know who's seen this movie has made me laugh really hard with their comments on it. i haven't seen it but i love it already for being so hilariously bad.

Ravi

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I didn't understand why MJ didn't just tell Peter that Harry threatened her into breaking up with Peter.  He's friggin' Spider-man!  Its not like he can't handle himself.

pete

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=3&id=41291

12:00 AM, 27-APRIL-07   

Producers Beefed Up Spidey 3

Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character."

That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared.

"Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'"

Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all."

As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" Spider-Man 3 opens May 4. —Patrick Lee, News Editor 
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grand theft sparrow

Quote from: MacGuffin on May 06, 2007, 09:20:23 PM
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The connection to Uncle Ben's murder felt tacked on.

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Yeah, especially since he feels tremendous guilt at the end but apparently not enough to have bragged to someone about it in jail, which is how they found out he was involved in the first place.  Or are we supposed to assume that he was confessing to the guy who ended up squealing on him?

And was there even any resolution with his daughter?  Wasn't she dying or something?

Redlum

Quote from: pete on May 07, 2007, 05:10:01 AM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=3&id=41291

12:00 AM, 27-APRIL-07   

Producers Beefed Up Spidey 3

Thanks, Pete. In addition...

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=3&id=41341&type=0

Raimi added: "Avi said, 'You're not giving me what I asked you.' ... He said, 'They want Venom. Just give them Venom already!' So I said 'OK.' But, obviously, through the very nature of it, he's only going to be in half an act or one act [at the end of the film]. I'll just make it as thorough and the best that I can [and] deliver Venom in the most complete way that I understand the fans might want him. That was my desire. I was led there."


Knowing this stuff makes it that much more dissapointing.
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diggler

it makes perfect sense when you consider the biggest complaints seem to be about the light venom story and the random introduction of gwen.  shave those elements off and you could've had a much tighter story.(a good film? who knows, but certainly improved)
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Kal

The script was a complete mess. I mean, what is the fucking need to put all these things together? 3 villains. 2 girls. The police chief. The professor. etc etc. The wedding? Bad spidey? MJ's career? Harry and his butler? Sandman and the daughter? Jumping from one story to the other every 20 minutes.

What about the Super-hero idea of saving the world? This was ALL about him. His girl. His uncle. His alien-bullshit. His job. The bad guys are after him and they really dont threaten anything else, except for Sandman at the beginning but if he would have stolen enough money he would have disappeared also like he did at the end. Harry doesnt care that he is dying... why not? He is fucking rich and young and now he knows his best friend didnt kill his dad. He is also a fuckin superhero. He should want to live.

I dont know I have so many mixed impressions in my head. What the fuck is up with Tobey Maguire's hair when he becomes bad? Bad temper and bad hairdo?

Not only the fucking mysterious shit from the sky fell two feet away from Peter, but also decided to get stuck to him and not MJ. Also, decided to fall over this retard in the church. And if it wasnt coincidence enough that same guy lost his job and his girlfriend because of Peter. And none of that seemed to be connected at all. Its just coincidence! And then he just happens to find the Sandguy and they become friends. Also, he wanted to kill Parker before Venom. He fucked Peter first so why would he want to KILL him for getting him fired? He may want to kick his ass or something but KILLED?



MacGuffin

Quote from: kal on May 07, 2007, 07:04:58 PMWhat the fuck is up with Tobey Maguire's hair when he becomes bad? Bad temper and bad hairdo?

I took it to mean emo-Parker was a huge 30 Seconds To Mars fan:

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MacGuffin

Sony Plans Spidey's Future
And rumors swirl about who may replace the cast.

Saying that he was "really over the moon" about the record-breaking $382 million worldwide debut of Spider-Man 3, Sony Pictures chief executive Michael Lynton is already reportedly mapping out the franchise's future.

"Everybody has every intention of making a fourth, a fifth and a sixth and on and on," Lynton informed the BBC. He sees the series lasting for "as many as we can make good stories for."

"Everybody's been so busy trying to get this one out that that's been the focus," he added. "When everybody comes up for air, we can think about how to make the next one."

That would seem to include cast and crew, although that hasn't stopped the rumor mill from offering up a name about who might succeed Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane Watson. According to CinemaBlend.com, Mandy Moore, Alexis Bledel and Camilla Belle are contenders for the role.

The site adds, "Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Jake Gyllenhall are the front runners as of now [to replace Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker] but word is that a third name might be thrown in the mix as well." They also suggest that a new director may be tapped as well since Raimi would want more control over Spidey 4.

CinemaBlend's scooper claims "those in Sony don't want to give Tobey or the returning cast that kind of money because they want to lock the cast down for the next three films instead of one and they want to do it cheaply, so they are looking at other actors to continue the franchise in a cheaper way and if the movie opens big and makes a boat load of cash, Tobey and the cast has a huge advantage in negotiations."

It's a no-brainer that Sony wants the Spidey gravy train to keep rolling. For example, of the $148 million that Spider-Man 3 earned in its stateside opening, a record-setting $4.8 million of that came from IMAX screenings. The picture also broke the record for IMAX's largest single day worldwide total at $2.2 million and posted a remarkable domestic opening weekend per screen average of $57,147.
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polkablues

I'm imagining a Spider-Man movie with Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Camilla Belle.  And... my brain just exploded.  Now I'm rolling around on the floor, saying "Does not compute..." over and over in a funny robot voice.
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Kal

Quote from: MacGuffin on May 08, 2007, 01:32:43 AM

"Everybody has every intention of making a fourth, a fifth and a sixth and on and on," Lynton informed the BBC. He sees the series lasting for "as many as we can make good stories for."


TOO FUCKING LATE.

The correct quote would be:

"Everybody has every intention of making a fourth, a fifth and a sixth and on and on," Lynton informed the BBC. He sees the series lasting for "as many as we can make a shitload of money out of this crap."

grand theft sparrow

Quote from: MacGuffin on May 07, 2007, 10:29:28 PM
Quote from: kal on May 07, 2007, 07:04:58 PMWhat the fuck is up with Tobey Maguire's hair when he becomes bad? Bad temper and bad hairdo?

I took it to mean emo-Parker was a huge 30 Seconds To Mars fan:



HA!  During the movie, I made that same comparison.  But it was afterwards that I thought of a better one.